Re: [RBW] Susie / Gus questions

[iamkeith]

Oops.  Forgot the link: to gravity dropper  but Danny was posting it 
simultaneously.

ht




On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:18:22 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

>
> Paul's analysis is spot-on in my experience.  Nonetheless:  here's a 26.8 
> droppee opton.  Original and still the best.  (Or you could use a hite-rite 
> too, wich I suppose is the REAL original.  I think I'll end up with one of 
> those on my Susie, eben though it won't be my trail bike)
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:58:23 AM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> I just want to reiterate my thoughts on droppers, because there's a lot 
>> of dropper evangelism in this thread, and I know Eric isn't saying droppers 
>> are necessary, and I do agree with everyone that they're nice to have, 
>> BUTT I tend to side with Grant on this:
>>
>> Lower the seat 1.5 to 2 cm from your normal seat height and just leave it 
>> there.
>>
>> That will probably give you enough room to move around on the bike to 
>> ride everything short of really steep stuff.
>>
>> Modern MTBs basically require a dropper post, because it's nearly 
>> impossible to stand and climb, especially with rear suspension, regardless 
>> of linkage design. They are made for seated climbining, but to keep the 
>> front wheel on the ground while you're climbing seated, you have to get 
>> your weight over the front wheel, which requires a HIGH seat. And to get 
>> back far enough to go downhill, that HIGH seat has to get out of the way, 
>> so you have to drop it or you'll endo.
>>
>> The Gus doesn't work that way. You can climb seated or standing, and a 
>> sort of in between seat height allows that. Same for descending, you're not 
>> going over the bars, so you can descend seated on smooth stuff and if it 
>> gets chunky or steep a slightly lower saddle gives you the space to stand 
>> up and move back enough.
>>
>> It's really only when stuff gets scary steep and you want your butt way 
>> behind the saddle that it's a problem, and if that's less than 10% of your 
>> riding, a QR (or a wrench) will be sufficient.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:13:16 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> A real dropper is a lot handier to use, especially when the trail is 
>>> rolling up and down. Being able to push a button on the bar and drop the 
>>> saddle for a quick slope or hard corner is great. It’s not about riding up 
>>> and then down. It’s up down up down up down….
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> Now a dropper fan 
>>> In Ohio where the hills roll. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022, Erik  wrote:
>>>
 Not only do I have a quick release, I picked up an old Hite-Rite to go 
 with it!  I salvaged the quick release from an old Bridgestone that’s been 
 in my shed for a long time.  It’s certainly an option, but I did have 
 problems with the post slipping.  Given that I’m not out charging around, 
 stopping to set the seat height isn’t that onerous a task.  I have 
 occasionally stopped and dropped the saddle with a hex key for longer 
 descents.  Maybe I’m just overthinking the dropper post thing and need to 
 embrace the quick release! 

 On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 5:16:13 AM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hey Erik,   Sweet looking Gus!In reading your post it seems like 
> your missing a dropper option,   Have you considered putting on a quick 
> release at the seatpost binder bolt?   You said you’ve been riding many 
> iterations of MTBs since the 80s so I’m sure you’ve had a bike with one 
> before.I put one on my Atlantis and it’s great for dropping the seat 
> post tool- free when I want to get back a little.I think Riv might 
> sell 
> something on their site.   It’s no dropper but it is helpful in some 
> situations.-Mike  
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0CC5EF6D-3C23-402C-B55D-A09DBD7AC46B%40gmail.com
>  
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Re: [RBW] Susie / Gus questions

[iamkeith]

Paul's analysis is spot-on in my experience.  Nonetheless:  here's a 26.8 
droppee opton.  Original and still the best.  (Or you could use a hite-rite 
too, wich I suppose is the REAL original.  I think I'll end up with one of 
those on my Susie, eben though it won't be my trail bike)
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:58:23 AM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:

> I just want to reiterate my thoughts on droppers, because there's a lot of 
> dropper evangelism in this thread, and I know Eric isn't saying droppers 
> are necessary, and I do agree with everyone that they're nice to have, 
> BUTT I tend to side with Grant on this:
>
> Lower the seat 1.5 to 2 cm from your normal seat height and just leave it 
> there.
>
> That will probably give you enough room to move around on the bike to ride 
> everything short of really steep stuff.
>
> Modern MTBs basically require a dropper post, because it's nearly 
> impossible to stand and climb, especially with rear suspension, regardless 
> of linkage design. They are made for seated climbining, but to keep the 
> front wheel on the ground while you're climbing seated, you have to get 
> your weight over the front wheel, which requires a HIGH seat. And to get 
> back far enough to go downhill, that HIGH seat has to get out of the way, 
> so you have to drop it or you'll endo.
>
> The Gus doesn't work that way. You can climb seated or standing, and a 
> sort of in between seat height allows that. Same for descending, you're not 
> going over the bars, so you can descend seated on smooth stuff and if it 
> gets chunky or steep a slightly lower saddle gives you the space to stand 
> up and move back enough.
>
> It's really only when stuff gets scary steep and you want your butt way 
> behind the saddle that it's a problem, and if that's less than 10% of your 
> riding, a QR (or a wrench) will be sufficient.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:13:16 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> A real dropper is a lot handier to use, especially when the trail is 
>> rolling up and down. Being able to push a button on the bar and drop the 
>> saddle for a quick slope or hard corner is great. It’s not about riding up 
>> and then down. It’s up down up down up down….
>>
>> Eric
>> Now a dropper fan 
>> In Ohio where the hills roll. 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022, Erik  wrote:
>>
>>> Not only do I have a quick release, I picked up an old Hite-Rite to go 
>>> with it!  I salvaged the quick release from an old Bridgestone that’s been 
>>> in my shed for a long time.  It’s certainly an option, but I did have 
>>> problems with the post slipping.  Given that I’m not out charging around, 
>>> stopping to set the seat height isn’t that onerous a task.  I have 
>>> occasionally stopped and dropped the saddle with a hex key for longer 
>>> descents.  Maybe I’m just overthinking the dropper post thing and need to 
>>> embrace the quick release! 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 5:16:13 AM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey Erik,   Sweet looking Gus!In reading your post it seems like 
 your missing a dropper option,   Have you considered putting on a quick 
 release at the seatpost binder bolt?   You said you’ve been riding many 
 iterations of MTBs since the 80s so I’m sure you’ve had a bike with one 
 before.I put one on my Atlantis and it’s great for dropping the seat 
 post tool- free when I want to get back a little.I think Riv might 
 sell 
 something on their site.   It’s no dropper but it is helpful in some 
 situations.-Mike  

 Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [RBW] Susie / Gus questions

[Danny]

I'm not sure if this company is still in business, and I can't speak to the
quality of their product, but I found them while searching for a dropper
option for my dad this past year. (He's lost some flexibility in his hip as
he's aged, so I thought a dropper might make mounting/dismounting his bike
easier.)

https://gravitydropper.com/products/
They offer a 26.8 option for all their products.

If anyone has any experience w/ the company or their products, please chime
in.

Hoping to get out on some MTB trails next week w/ my Susie. Swapped out the
Billie bars for a bullmoose setup and looking forward to seeing how it
handles. Like others have said, the Susie is a really lively ride and a joy
to be on. I've yet to try a Gus or Clem in my size, so not much help for
comparison there.

-Danny

On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 10:58 AM Paul Clifton 
wrote:

> I just want to reiterate my thoughts on droppers, because there's a lot of
> dropper evangelism in this thread, and I know Eric isn't saying droppers
> are necessary, and I do agree with everyone that they're nice to have,
> BUTT I tend to side with Grant on this:
>
> Lower the seat 1.5 to 2 cm from your normal seat height and just leave it
> there.
>
> That will probably give you enough room to move around on the bike to ride
> everything short of really steep stuff.
>
> Modern MTBs basically require a dropper post, because it's nearly
> impossible to stand and climb, especially with rear suspension, regardless
> of linkage design. They are made for seated climbining, but to keep the
> front wheel on the ground while you're climbing seated, you have to get
> your weight over the front wheel, which requires a HIGH seat. And to get
> back far enough to go downhill, that HIGH seat has to get out of the way,
> so you have to drop it or you'll endo.
>
> The Gus doesn't work that way. You can climb seated or standing, and a
> sort of in between seat height allows that. Same for descending, you're not
> going over the bars, so you can descend seated on smooth stuff and if it
> gets chunky or steep a slightly lower saddle gives you the space to stand
> up and move back enough.
>
> It's really only when stuff gets scary steep and you want your butt way
> behind the saddle that it's a problem, and if that's less than 10% of your
> riding, a QR (or a wrench) will be sufficient.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:13:16 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> A real dropper is a lot handier to use, especially when the trail is
>> rolling up and down. Being able to push a button on the bar and drop the
>> saddle for a quick slope or hard corner is great. It’s not about riding up
>> and then down. It’s up down up down up down….
>>
>> Eric
>> Now a dropper fan
>> In Ohio where the hills roll.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022, Erik  wrote:
>>
>>> Not only do I have a quick release, I picked up an old Hite-Rite to go
>>> with it!  I salvaged the quick release from an old Bridgestone that’s been
>>> in my shed for a long time.  It’s certainly an option, but I did have
>>> problems with the post slipping.  Given that I’m not out charging around,
>>> stopping to set the seat height isn’t that onerous a task.  I have
>>> occasionally stopped and dropped the saddle with a hex key for longer
>>> descents.  Maybe I’m just overthinking the dropper post thing and need to
>>> embrace the quick release!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 5:16:13 AM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey Erik,   Sweet looking Gus!In reading your post it seems like
 your missing a dropper option,   Have you considered putting on a quick
 release at the seatpost binder bolt?   You said you’ve been riding many
 iterations of MTBs since the 80s so I’m sure you’ve had a bike with one
 before.I put one on my Atlantis and it’s great for dropping the seat
 post tool- free when I want to get back a little.I think Riv might sell
 something on their site.   It’s no dropper but it is helpful in some
 situations.-Mike

 Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [RBW] Susie / Gus questions

[Paul Clifton]

I just want to reiterate my thoughts on droppers, because there's a lot of 
dropper evangelism in this thread, and I know Eric isn't saying droppers 
are necessary, and I do agree with everyone that they're nice to have, 
BUTT I tend to side with Grant on this:

Lower the seat 1.5 to 2 cm from your normal seat height and just leave it 
there.

That will probably give you enough room to move around on the bike to ride 
everything short of really steep stuff.

Modern MTBs basically require a dropper post, because it's nearly 
impossible to stand and climb, especially with rear suspension, regardless 
of linkage design. They are made for seated climbining, but to keep the 
front wheel on the ground while you're climbing seated, you have to get 
your weight over the front wheel, which requires a HIGH seat. And to get 
back far enough to go downhill, that HIGH seat has to get out of the way, 
so you have to drop it or you'll endo.

The Gus doesn't work that way. You can climb seated or standing, and a sort 
of in between seat height allows that. Same for descending, you're not 
going over the bars, so you can descend seated on smooth stuff and if it 
gets chunky or steep a slightly lower saddle gives you the space to stand 
up and move back enough.

It's really only when stuff gets scary steep and you want your butt way 
behind the saddle that it's a problem, and if that's less than 10% of your 
riding, a QR (or a wrench) will be sufficient.

Paul


On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:13:16 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> A real dropper is a lot handier to use, especially when the trail is 
> rolling up and down. Being able to push a button on the bar and drop the 
> saddle for a quick slope or hard corner is great. It’s not about riding up 
> and then down. It’s up down up down up down….
>
> Eric
> Now a dropper fan 
> In Ohio where the hills roll. 
>
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022, Erik  wrote:
>
>> Not only do I have a quick release, I picked up an old Hite-Rite to go 
>> with it!  I salvaged the quick release from an old Bridgestone that’s been 
>> in my shed for a long time.  It’s certainly an option, but I did have 
>> problems with the post slipping.  Given that I’m not out charging around, 
>> stopping to set the seat height isn’t that onerous a task.  I have 
>> occasionally stopped and dropped the saddle with a hex key for longer 
>> descents.  Maybe I’m just overthinking the dropper post thing and need to 
>> embrace the quick release! 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 5:16:13 AM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Erik,   Sweet looking Gus!In reading your post it seems like 
>>> your missing a dropper option,   Have you considered putting on a quick 
>>> release at the seatpost binder bolt?   You said you’ve been riding many 
>>> iterations of MTBs since the 80s so I’m sure you’ve had a bike with one 
>>> before.I put one on my Atlantis and it’s great for dropping the seat 
>>> post tool- free when I want to get back a little.I think Riv might sell 
>>> something on their site.   It’s no dropper but it is helpful in some 
>>> situations.-Mike  
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0CC5EF6D-3C23-402C-B55D-A09DBD7AC46B%40gmail.com
>>>  
>>> 
>>> .
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Re: [RBW] Susie / Gus questions

[Richard Rose]

Where at in Ohio? No rollers up here in Toledo.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 11:13 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:
> 
> A real dropper is a lot handier to use, especially when the trail is rolling 
> up and down. Being able to push a button on the bar and drop the saddle for a 
> quick slope or hard corner is great. It’s not about riding up and then down. 
> It’s up down up down up down….
> 
> Eric
> Now a dropper fan 
> In Ohio where the hills roll. 
> 
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022, Erik  wrote:
>> Not only do I have a quick release, I picked up an old Hite-Rite to go with 
>> it!  I salvaged the quick release from an old Bridgestone that’s been in my 
>> shed for a long time.  It’s certainly an option, but I did have problems 
>> with the post slipping.  Given that I’m not out charging around, stopping to 
>> set the seat height isn’t that onerous a task.  I have occasionally stopped 
>> and dropped the saddle with a hex key for longer descents.  Maybe I’m just 
>> overthinking the dropper post thing and need to embrace the quick release! 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 5:16:13 AM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> Hey Erik,   Sweet looking Gus!In reading your post it seems like your 
>>> missing a dropper option,   Have you considered putting on a quick release 
>>> at the seatpost binder bolt?   You said you’ve been riding many iterations 
>>> of MTBs since the 80s so I’m sure you’ve had a bike with one before.I 
>>> put one on my Atlantis and it’s great for dropping the seat post tool- free 
>>> when I want to get back a little.I think Riv might sell something on 
>>> their site.   It’s no dropper but it is helpful in some situations.
>>> -Mike  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0CC5EF6D-3C23-402C-B55D-A09DBD7AC46B%40gmail.com.
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Susie / Gus questions

[Eric Daume]

A real dropper is a lot handier to use, especially when the trail is
rolling up and down. Being able to push a button on the bar and drop the
saddle for a quick slope or hard corner is great. It’s not about riding up
and then down. It’s up down up down up down….

Eric
Now a dropper fan
In Ohio where the hills roll.

On Thursday, October 20, 2022, Erik  wrote:

> Not only do I have a quick release, I picked up an old Hite-Rite to go
> with it!  I salvaged the quick release from an old Bridgestone that’s been
> in my shed for a long time.  It’s certainly an option, but I did have
> problems with the post slipping.  Given that I’m not out charging around,
> stopping to set the seat height isn’t that onerous a task.  I have
> occasionally stopped and dropped the saddle with a hex key for longer
> descents.  Maybe I’m just overthinking the dropper post thing and need to
> embrace the quick release!
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 5:16:13 AM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Erik,   Sweet looking Gus!In reading your post it seems like your
>> missing a dropper option,   Have you considered putting on a quick release
>> at the seatpost binder bolt?   You said you’ve been riding many iterations
>> of MTBs since the 80s so I’m sure you’ve had a bike with one before.I
>> put one on my Atlantis and it’s great for dropping the seat post tool- free
>> when I want to get back a little.I think Riv might sell something on
>> their site.   It’s no dropper but it is helpful in some situations.
>>  -Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/
>> 0CC5EF6D-3C23-402C-B55D-A09DBD7AC46B%40gmail.com
>> 
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