Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?
On Jun 27, 2012, at 6:58 AM, jimD wrote: It is important not to enter into a contest of wills with the nuts and bolts! Now THAT would be an ideal entry for the next RBW t-shirt contest! - Jim If you argue with a nut, sometimes it's hard to tell the difference... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?
My 'mechanic's hand' was doing good, I was a man who knew his limitations. All was well until I started going to the gym. Now I'm breaking things. -JImD On Jun 27, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Rolls Royce suggests enlisting the help of an experienced RR mechanic to demonstrate proper torque. I don't know many pro mechanics who use torque wrenches or fret over torque specs, except on CF stuff. For the most part mechanic's hand is just fine. If you lack mechanic's hand, hopefully you know it by now. A torque wrench may be a worthwhile investment...or maybe it's more advisable to just find a good mechanic. A man has to know his limitations. 'a mechanics hand' can come through experience - or as another option it could just be a function of strength and guessing. I've noticed I've gotten better at estimating torque for things I do repeatedly so that when I go to test with the torque wrench there is very little movement necessary. However, I like tools which take the 'magical intuition and guessing' out of the game. Additionally, I have found that seeking out a good mechanic is next to impossible. During conversation w/a mechanic and w/o encountering some sort of failure of some kind from their work - I've found that distinguishing a good mechanic from a passable mechanic is next to impossible. I'd rather learn to do it for myself or get a tool to help me do it myself than guess as to whether or not the money I just paid someone was for good, reliable work or was just for the fun of throwing my money away. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?
What bolts or specs are you looking for? The only thing that could possibly come from a frame manufacturer would be a seat post binder bolt (and thats only for a threaded seat lug). And that a stretch. All other specs would be from the component manufacturer and should be on the specific instruction sheet with each part. Scott Dayton, OH On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque specs? Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: We don't need no stinking specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!? Thanks for any info. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NjKd0zTmm6gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?
We don't need no stinking specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!? Back in the day, I had a Bultaco motorcycle. The bike had a poorly translated (from the original Spanish) owner's manual. The manual offered some guidance on tightening fasteners. It went something like: It is important not to enter into a contest of wills with the nuts and bolts! Ever since, this has been my mantra. -JimD On Jun 27, 2012, at 6:34 AM, Scott Henry wrote: What bolts or specs are you looking for? The only thing that could possibly come from a frame manufacturer would be a seat post binder bolt (and thats only for a threaded seat lug). And that a stretch. All other specs would be from the component manufacturer and should be on the specific instruction sheet with each part. Scott Dayton, OH On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque specs? Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: We don't need no stinking specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!? Thanks for any info. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NjKd0zTmm6gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque specs? Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: We don't need no stinking specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!? Thanks for any info. Depends on which components you have and what specs you need. I tighten a lot of things with a torgue wrench. I love having it around. tell us what you're looking for. If you want to - call riv and ask them - they are very good about giving answers. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?
On at least one of the sets of instructions I have received with various Nitto rack products it says: Use good judgment. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:58:15 AM UTC-5, JimD wrote: We don't need no stinking specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!? Back in the day, I had a Bultaco motorcycle. The bike had a poorly translated (from the original Spanish) owner's manual. The manual offered some guidance on tightening fasteners. It went something like: It is important not to enter into a contest of wills with the nuts and bolts! Ever since, this has been my mantra. -JimD On Jun 27, 2012, at 6:34 AM, Scott Henry wrote: What bolts or specs are you looking for? The only thing that could possibly come from a frame manufacturer would be a seat post binder bolt (and thats only for a threaded seat lug). And that a stretch. All other specs would be from the component manufacturer and should be on the specific instruction sheet with each part. Scott Dayton, OH On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM, lungimsam wrote: Hello, I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque specs? Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: We don't need no stinking specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!? Thanks for any info. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vPXg5TafCz4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?
Rolls Royce suggests enlisting the help of an experienced RR mechanic to demonstrate proper torque. I don't know many pro mechanics who use torque wrenches or fret over torque specs, except on CF stuff. For the most part mechanic's hand is just fine. If you lack mechanic's hand, hopefully you know it by now. A torque wrench may be a worthwhile investment...or maybe it's more advisable to just find a good mechanic. A man has to know his limitations. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/nu5pGe6PIX8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Rolls Royce suggests enlisting the help of an experienced RR mechanic to demonstrate proper torque. I don't know many pro mechanics who use torque wrenches or fret over torque specs, except on CF stuff. For the most part mechanic's hand is just fine. If you lack mechanic's hand, hopefully you know it by now. A torque wrench may be a worthwhile investment...or maybe it's more advisable to just find a good mechanic. A man has to know his limitations. 'a mechanics hand' can come through experience - or as another option it could just be a function of strength and guessing. I've noticed I've gotten better at estimating torque for things I do repeatedly so that when I go to test with the torque wrench there is very little movement necessary. However, I like tools which take the 'magical intuition and guessing' out of the game. Additionally, I have found that seeking out a good mechanic is next to impossible. During conversation w/a mechanic and w/o encountering some sort of failure of some kind from their work - I've found that distinguishing a good mechanic from a passable mechanic is next to impossible. I'd rather learn to do it for myself or get a tool to help me do it myself than guess as to whether or not the money I just paid someone was for good, reliable work or was just for the fun of throwing my money away. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?
From the Riv website, here is what Nitto recommends: http://www.rivbike.com/kb_results.asp?ID=65 HTH, Andrew From: lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, June 26, 2012 8:22:37 PM Subject: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes? Hello, I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque specs? Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: We don't need no stinking specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!? Thanks for any info. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NjKd0zTmm6gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?
Some people should not work on their own bikes. This is not an insult, just something that I've observed over a number of years fixing massive DIY f-ups. That said, as a mechanical object, the bicycle is quite approachable for an amateur wrench, so for a person who has the aptitude and inclination and tools, I say have at it. I believe there are lots of fine bike mechanics in any large-ish city. There are also lots of shops that employ inexperienced mechanics in the busy season. It can be a trick to find the mech who's compatible with our bikes and personalities. As a parallel to the above: I have learned over the years that I should not do home improvement/repair projects. MUCH easier and cheaper and faster and better to find an experienced person to do it for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Bz-cJOwTiK4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?
I love working on my own bike, but we have such a good mechanic at the local bike shop that I will bring it to him, because I like supporting him. (That combined with being overwhelmed in my personal or work life.) Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Some people should not work on their own bikes. This is not an insult, just something that I've observed over a number of years fixing massive DIY f-ups. That said, as a mechanical object, the bicycle is quite approachable for an amateur wrench, so for a person who has the aptitude and inclination and tools, I say have at it. I believe there are lots of fine bike mechanics in any large-ish city. There are also lots of shops that employ inexperienced mechanics in the busy season. It can be a trick to find the mech who's compatible with our bikes and personalities. As a parallel to the above: I have learned over the years that I should not do home improvement/repair projects. MUCH easier and cheaper and faster and better to find an experienced person to do it for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Bz-cJOwTiK4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?
I accidentally tightened the water bottle bolts a little too much, and it made the water taste funny. KIDDING!!! On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:34:47 AM UTC-7, Skenry wrote: What bolts or specs are you looking for? The only thing that could possibly come from a frame manufacturer would be a seat post binder bolt (and thats only for a threaded seat lug). And that a stretch. All other specs would be from the component manufacturer and should be on the specific instruction sheet with each part. Scott Dayton, OH On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque specs? Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: We don't need no stinking specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!? Thanks for any info. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NjKd0zTmm6gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Fu1-MRuHwK0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?
Dont forget to x-ray your frame for damage from over-torquing the bolts. :) On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:37 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I accidentally tightened the water bottle bolts a little too much, and it made the water taste funny. KIDDING!!! On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:34:47 AM UTC-7, Skenry wrote: What bolts or specs are you looking for? The only thing that could possibly come from a frame manufacturer would be a seat post binder bolt (and thats only for a threaded seat lug). And that a stretch. All other specs would be from the component manufacturer and should be on the specific instruction sheet with each part. Scott Dayton, OH On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque specs? Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: We don't need no stinking specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!? Thanks for any info. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/**NjKd0zTmm6gJhttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NjKd0zTmm6gJ . To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Fu1-MRuHwK0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
