Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Avalon

[Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches]

Does the Avalon system have the ability to monitor an AC 400 amp service?
I know the Envy does not. I ran into this in one of my installs, the envy
does not support paralleling CTs to monitor paralleled main feeds.
And besides, you can’t, at least several months ago even monitor a single
feed 400 amp service using their CTs.

I would have much more confidence in Fortress generally speaking if they
would finally come out with some of these upgrades they’ve been promising
for a while.

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On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 2:17 PM Michael Welch via RE-wrenches <
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> Hi gang. Dave Tedeyan is having troubles with his ISP and asked me to
> forward this message to the list:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I installed an Avalon system in March. The SEP (smart energy panel) is a
> nice idea. As Jay mentioned, getting the main and load breakers wired is
> difficult. I was using standard 4/0 AL XHHW-2. It was doable, but I had to
> remove the display screen in order to get things wired, and I was afraid
> that I might break off one of the load relays if the wire slipped, but it
> was doable. I'll attach a photo of the install in progress, you can see it
> is not easy to get those wires into the main breaker. Fortress is aware of
> this issue and presumably will be doing something about it. I like the
> integrated relays though and how you can easily incorporate load shedding.
>
> In general, the product does not yet have its full capacity. They just got
> the AC coupling software available right before I installed this, which is
> good, since this is an AC coupled system. They still do not have the
> software for generator integration, so I will have to come back this fall
> to move the generator feed once that is available. I am not sure whether
> you can have multiple inverters yet either. Plus, the installer app is only
> in beta testing. So, right now, I have to have to share a login with the
> homeowner. The homeowner app seems to be similar to the Guardian app in
> that there is very little info there, and no historical info. All this will
> be coming with the release of their installer app.
>
> The commissioning process almost went very smoothly, until at the last
> screen it gave me an error sending the info to Fortress. I think in the end
> it would have been fine, but I ended up on the phone for a while with tech
> support to know for sure that it was OK. I am not sure whether that was a
> random issue, but it seems that they are still working out some bugs. Not
> surprising, considering that it is a brand new system. I gather that there
> are not too many of these in the field yet, since one of their main sales
> reps, Walt, randomly reached out to me to ask for feedback. I was happy to
> have the opportunity to talk about it.
>
> Also, note, when I was testing the system and I shut off the main breaker,
> it took about a second or two for power to switch over. It was not
> instantaneous. So, yes, clocks reset, although it at least lets the
> homeowner know that there was a power outage. With some other systems, the
> homeowner may not even know that the power is out so they don't know to
> adjust their power usage. (I know, the benefits of having a paired down
> backup loads panel, but sometimes it just makes more sense to back up
> everything).
>
> But, in general, I think that when this system has its full functionality,
> I think it will be a really solid system at a good price.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
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> Hello Wrenches,
>
> I am looking closely at offering the Fortress Avalon system.  I would
> like to hear from anyone that has installed, commissioned and seen them
> work in the field. Pros and cons, all of your thoughts are appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Avalon

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches]

Hey Darryl,

I got involved with the Schneider Home all in one (same thing as 
Fortress Avalon) Before that I was involved with another Schneider HV 
all in one long before Solark. Omnia failed to get to market. I get the 
hee bee jeebies with that kind of voltage offgrid. The numerous various 
failures of the LG hi voltage batteries.


There is no way to replace the battery without waiting for Fortress to 
help. With 48v, I can go to Costco or Walmart and build a temporary 48v 
bank in 3 hours. Pretty simple requirement that I have. Especially in 
this world!


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On 2024-05-14 6:33 pm, Darryl Thayer via RE-wrenches wrote:

I am looking at going high voltage as opposed to 48 volts. This is my 
largest battery system, I have a large distance between battery and 
inverter, 40 feet, the cost of wire, 50 kW, at 50 volts is 1000 amps.  
I am thinking this is too big for me.


On Tue, May 14, 2024, 7:29 PM Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:



Hello Wrenches,

I am looking closely at offering the Fortress Avalon system.  I would 
like to hear from anyone that has installed, commissioned and seen 
them work in the field. Pros and cons, all of your thoughts are 
appreciated.


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Avalon

[Jay via RE-wrenches]

It’s an interesting design. I went to a seminar on it. Wiring the main power distribution center, is a bit tricky with how they designed or not wire room. Probably want to use cobra wire.  The battery voltage design is unusual in that more batteries increases the voltage, not bad just different. Web management looks good I presume you’re installing 5 of the 11kw units for 50kw or did you mean 50 kWh with 1 inverter?As to the high battery volts, I’m old enough to remember the push back against 48v. Or when GT solar was 48, and when SMA came out at 600v, it was way too high. Makes a lot of sense to go higher battery volts because with lithium it’s possible vs with lead it isn’t really. Hopefully there becomes a new common high voltage the OEM’s agree on.  New times. JayOn May 14, 2024, at 7:33 PM, Darryl Thayer via RE-wrenches  wrote:I am looking at going high voltage as opposed to 48 volts. This is my largest battery system, I have a large distance between battery and inverter, 40 feet, the cost of wire, 50 kW, at 50 volts is 1000 amps.  I am thinking this is too big for me.  On Tue, May 14, 2024, 7:29 PM Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches  wrote:Hello Wrenches,I am looking closely at offering the Fortress Avalon system.  I would like to hear from anyone that has installed, commissioned and seen them work in the field. Pros and cons, all of your thoughts are appreciated.Thanks!

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Avalon

[Darryl Thayer via RE-wrenches]

I am looking at going high voltage as opposed to 48 volts. This is my
largest battery system, I have a large distance between battery and
inverter, 40 feet, the cost of wire, 50 kW, at 50 volts is 1000 amps.  I am
thinking this is too big for me.

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> Hello Wrenches,
>
> I am looking closely at offering the Fortress Avalon system.  I would like
> to hear from anyone that has installed, commissioned and seen them work in
> the field. Pros and cons, all of your thoughts are appreciated.
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Avalon

[Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches]

Dave,

Just to play devils advocate, what are your reasons as to why high voltage
isn’t worthy of OG?

I say this being firmly stuck in 48VDC off-grid systems.

Kindly,

Chris


On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 8:42 PM William Miller via RE-wrenches <
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> Dave:
>
> Have you actually used the product?
>
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> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 5:38 PM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via
> RE-wrenches  wrote:
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>> Huge mistake to me to use high voltage battery.  I am biased for offgrid.
>>
>>
>>
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>> On 2024-05-14 5:28 pm, Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches wrote:
>>
>> Hello Wrenches,
>>
>> I am looking closely at offering the Fortress Avalon system.  I would
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Avalon

[William Miller via RE-wrenches]

Dave:

Have you actually used the product?

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On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 5:38 PM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches
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> Huge mistake to me to use high voltage battery.  I am biased for offgrid.
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> On 2024-05-14 5:28 pm, Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches wrote:
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> Hello Wrenches,
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> I am looking closely at offering the Fortress Avalon system.  I would like
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> the field. Pros and cons, all of your thoughts are appreciated.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Avalon

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches]

Huge mistake to me to use high voltage battery.  I am biased for 
offgrid.


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On 2024-05-14 5:28 pm, Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches wrote:


Hello Wrenches,

I am looking closely at offering the Fortress Avalon system.  I would 
like to hear from anyone that has installed, commissioned and seen them 
work in the field. Pros and cons, all of your thoughts are appreciated.


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[RE-wrenches] Fortress Avalon

[Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches]

Hello Wrenches,

I am looking closely at offering the Fortress Avalon system.  I would like
to hear from anyone that has installed, commissioned and seen them work in
the field. Pros and cons, all of your thoughts are appreciated.

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress

[William Miller via RE-wrenches]

Jay:



Here is a link
<https://millersolar.com/MillerSolar/case_studies/36_SIFortress/36_SunnyIslandFortressIntegration.html>
to the study.



The web page needs to be updated with this information:



There are two settings to be changed in the Sunny Boy Inverters:  Backup
mode and Default.  See Below:





I had set the default to OFF_Grid but I had not set the Backup Mode to On
All.  It was in Off.



There is a possibility changing the Backup Mode setting may fix the
Frequency Shift Power Control problem that is the root of this dilemma.
There have not been enough sunny days to see the PV bring SOC up to the
level of near 100% where the problem exhibits.  As soon as the weather gets
sunnier and the days get longer I will see what happens and report back.



William



Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

www.millersolar.com

CA Lic. 773985





*From:* Jay [mailto:jay.pe...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:50 AM
*To:* will...@millersolar.com; RE-wrenches
*Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress



Hi william



Could you share the equipment used and what issues you had?



Thx

Jay



On Feb 14, 2024, at 3:13 PM, William Miller via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:



Peter:



I have only purchased one set of Fortress batteries.  There have been
issues, I am sure many of them self-induced.  Fortress has been overall
very responsive.  There have been a few days where I could not get through
to technical support but with persistence I always manage.  Fortress has
offered truck–roll compensation at a reasonable rate as well.



William Miller



Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

www.millersolar.com

CA Lic. 773985





*From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
Behalf Of *Peter Giroux via RE-wrenches
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2024 6:47 AM
*To:* 'RE-wrenches'
*Cc:* pgir...@mindspring.com
*Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Fortress



Good morning my fellow wrenchers. While I see the comments on SunPower and
the challenges, are any of you having similar issues with Fortress? Their
bms boards from the early classics have not held up and even after
replacement there are still issues ( parallel batteries and stand alone not
showing accurate #’s,  ). While support has been, well supportive, the
issues persist. Any thoughts or fixes you have come up with?? I just had a
customer unplug the coms cable from their sol-ark and bring their readings
to volts VS %% and it is starting to work a bit better. Any and all help or
ideas appreciated.



Thx
peter Giroux

American Solar

Norcross Ga

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress

[Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches]

Yes, the site I mentioned is only for the fortress envy inverter.

I’ve had the same weather as you, being in northern Vermont, that is where
that system crashed that I mentioned in the previous email, definitely did
not reach a full state of charge in January.

 The national weather service reported it was the cloudiest January since
1951.

*Kirk Herander / **kirkh@vermont.solar *

*Owner|Principal, VT Solar, LLC*

*Celebrating our 33st Anniversary 1991-2024!!*

dba Vermont Solar Engineering

802.559.1225


On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 1:11 PM Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Kirk,
>
> That site looks specifically for the Envy inverters. Do you know if the
> Guardian site is working? My credentials will not get me in at this time.
> www.app.fortresspower.io
>
> My sites have no comms between the batteries and the inverter, since it is
> an Outback system.
>
> And yes, there is certainly an issue with SOC drift over time without
> getting a full charge. I was told by Fortress tech support that the eFlex
> batteries needed to get over 55V to calibrate the SOC. Yet, in their
> settings, the generator is only supposed to bring them to 54.4V. The solar
> will bring it higher. But this was a problem here in upstate NY, where we
> did not have a sunny enough day in the entire month of January.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 12:30 PM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via
> RE-wrenches  wrote:
>
>> So this is all open loop with outback correct?  I can't even get into
>> Simplyphi. website today. Maybe the windows update...
>>
>> The battery below was suppose to be networkable but it looks like not
>> much progress.
>>
>>- Model: AmpliPHI 3.8kWh
>>- Inverter compatibility: Sol-Ark, SMA (coming soon), Schneider
>>Electric (coming soon)
>>
>> A question, it looks like Outback is not closed loop with any battery
>> company. I hope I am wrong!
>>
>>
>>
>> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>> "we go where powerlines don't"
>><http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/>https://offgridsolar1.com/ 
>> <https://offgridsolar1.com/>  <http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/>
>> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net 
>> text 209 813 0060*
>>
>>
>> On 2024-02-15 8:57 am, Darryl Thayer via RE-wrenches wrote:
>>
>> Is it similar to my problem with my Simplify batteries? Over time, the
>> BMS did not allow all cells to charge the same. To correct this, I had to
>> charge each battery separately, and after this, they stayed equivalent for
>> more years.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 7:50 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi william
>>
>> Could you share the equipment used and what issues you had?
>>
>> Thx
>> Jay
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2024, at 3:13 PM, William Miller via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>
>> Peter:
>>
>>
>>
>> I have only purchased one set of Fortress batteries.  There have been
>> issues, I am sure many of them self-induced.  Fortress has been overall
>> very responsive.  There have been a few days where I could not get through
>> to technical support but with persistence I always manage.  Fortress has
>> offered truck–roll compensation at a reasonable rate as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> William Miller
>>
>>
>>
>> Miller Solar
>>
>> 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422
>>
>> 805-438-5600
>>
>> www.millersolar.com
>>
>> CA Lic. 773985
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Peter Giroux via RE-wrenches
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2024 6:47 AM
>> *To:* 'RE-wrenches'
>> *Cc:* pgir...@mindspring.com
>> *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Fortress
>>
>>
>>
>> Good morning my fellow wrenchers. While I see the comments on SunPower
>> and the challenges, are any of you having similar issues with Fortress?
>> Their bms boards from the early classics have not held up and even after
>> replacement there are still issues ( parallel batteries and stand alone not
>> showing accurate #'s,  ). While support has been, well supportive, the
>> issues persist. Any thoughts or fixes you have come up with?? I just had a
>> customer unplug the coms cable from their sol-ark and bring their readings
>> to volts VS %% and it is starting to work a bit better. Any and all help or
>> ideas appreciated.
>>
>&g

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress

[Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches]

Kirk,

That site looks specifically for the Envy inverters. Do you know if the
Guardian site is working? My credentials will not get me in at this time.
www.app.fortresspower.io

My sites have no comms between the batteries and the inverter, since it is
an Outback system.

And yes, there is certainly an issue with SOC drift over time without
getting a full charge. I was told by Fortress tech support that the eFlex
batteries needed to get over 55V to calibrate the SOC. Yet, in their
settings, the generator is only supposed to bring them to 54.4V. The solar
will bring it higher. But this was a problem here in upstate NY, where we
did not have a sunny enough day in the entire month of January.

Cheers,
Dave


On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 12:30 PM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via
RE-wrenches  wrote:

> So this is all open loop with outback correct?  I can't even get into
> Simplyphi. website today. Maybe the windows update...
>
> The battery below was suppose to be networkable but it looks like not much
> progress.
>
>- Model: AmpliPHI 3.8kWh
>- Inverter compatibility: Sol-Ark, SMA (coming soon), Schneider
>Electric (coming soon)
>
> A question, it looks like Outback is not closed loop with any battery
> company. I hope I am wrong!
>
>
>
> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
> "we go where powerlines don't"
><http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/>https://offgridsolar1.com/ 
> <https://offgridsolar1.com/>  <http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/>
> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net 
> text 209 813 0060*
>
>
> On 2024-02-15 8:57 am, Darryl Thayer via RE-wrenches wrote:
>
> Is it similar to my problem with my Simplify batteries? Over time, the BMS
> did not allow all cells to charge the same. To correct this, I had to
> charge each battery separately, and after this, they stayed equivalent for
> more years.
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 7:50 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hi william
>
> Could you share the equipment used and what issues you had?
>
> Thx
> Jay
>
> On Feb 14, 2024, at 3:13 PM, William Miller via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
> Peter:
>
>
>
> I have only purchased one set of Fortress batteries.  There have been
> issues, I am sure many of them self-induced.  Fortress has been overall
> very responsive.  There have been a few days where I could not get through
> to technical support but with persistence I always manage.  Fortress has
> offered truck–roll compensation at a reasonable rate as well.
>
>
>
> William Miller
>
>
>
> Miller Solar
>
> 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422
>
> 805-438-5600
>
> www.millersolar.com
>
> CA Lic. 773985
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Peter Giroux via RE-wrenches
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2024 6:47 AM
> *To:* 'RE-wrenches'
> *Cc:* pgir...@mindspring.com
> *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Fortress
>
>
>
> Good morning my fellow wrenchers. While I see the comments on SunPower and
> the challenges, are any of you having similar issues with Fortress? Their
> bms boards from the early classics have not held up and even after
> replacement there are still issues ( parallel batteries and stand alone not
> showing accurate #'s,  ). While support has been, well supportive, the
> issues persist. Any thoughts or fixes you have come up with?? I just had a
> customer unplug the coms cable from their sol-ark and bring their readings
> to volts VS %% and it is starting to work a bit better. Any and all help or
> ideas appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thx
> peter Giroux
>
> American Solar
>
> Norcross Ga
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches]

So this is all open loop with outback correct?  I can't even get into 
Simplyphi. website today. Maybe the windows update...


The battery below was suppose to be networkable but it looks like not 
much progress.


* Model: AmpliPHI 3.8kWh
 	* Inverter compatibility: Sol-Ark, SMA (coming soon), Schneider 
Electric (coming soon)


 A question, it looks like Outback is not closed loop with any battery 
company. I hope I am wrong!


Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where powerlines don't"
   [2]https://offgridsolar1.com/ [3]  [2]
e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net
text 209 813 0060

On 2024-02-15 8:57 am, Darryl Thayer via RE-wrenches wrote:

Is it similar to my problem with my Simplify batteries? Over time, the 
BMS did not allow all cells to charge the same. To correct this, I had 
to charge each battery separately, and after this, they stayed 
equivalent for more years.


On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 7:50 AM Jay via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


Hi william

Could you share the equipment used and what issues you had?

Thx
Jay

On Feb 14, 2024, at 3:13 PM, William Miller via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


Peter:

I have only purchased one set of Fortress batteries.  There have been 
issues, I am sure many of them self-induced.  Fortress has been overall 
very responsive.  There have been a few days where I could not get 
through to technical support but with persistence I always manage.  
Fortress has offered truck-roll compensation at a reasonable rate as 
well.


William Miller

Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

www.millersolar.com [1]

CA Lic. 773985

From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On 
Behalf Of Peter Giroux via RE-wrenches

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2024 6:47 AM
To: 'RE-wrenches'
Cc: pgir...@mindspring.com
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Fortress

Good morning my fellow wrenchers. While I see the comments on SunPower 
and the challenges, are any of you having similar issues with Fortress? 
Their bms boards from the early classics have not held up and even 
after replacement there are still issues ( parallel batteries and stand 
alone not showing accurate #'s,  ). While support has been, well 
supportive, the issues persist. Any thoughts or fixes you have come up 
with?? I just had a customer unplug the coms cable from their sol-ark 
and bring their readings to volts VS %% and it is starting to work a 
bit better. Any and all help or ideas appreciated.


Thx
peter Giroux

American Solar

Norcross Ga ___
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress

[Darryl Thayer via RE-wrenches]

Is it similar to my problem with my Simplify batteries? Over time, the BMS
did not allow all cells to charge the same. To correct this, I had to
charge each battery separately, and after this, they stayed equivalent for
more years.

On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 7:50 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Hi william
>
> Could you share the equipment used and what issues you had?
>
> Thx
> Jay
>
> On Feb 14, 2024, at 3:13 PM, William Miller via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Peter:
>
>
>
> I have only purchased one set of Fortress batteries.  There have been
> issues, I am sure many of them self-induced.  Fortress has been overall
> very responsive.  There have been a few days where I could not get through
> to technical support but with persistence I always manage.  Fortress has
> offered truck–roll compensation at a reasonable rate as well.
>
>
>
> William Miller
>
>
>
> Miller Solar
>
> 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422
>
> 805-438-5600
>
> www.millersolar.com
>
> CA Lic. 773985
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Peter Giroux via RE-wrenches
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2024 6:47 AM
> *To:* 'RE-wrenches'
> *Cc:* pgir...@mindspring.com
> *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Fortress
>
>
>
> Good morning my fellow wrenchers. While I see the comments on SunPower and
> the challenges, are any of you having similar issues with Fortress? Their
> bms boards from the early classics have not held up and even after
> replacement there are still issues ( parallel batteries and stand alone not
> showing accurate #’s,  ). While support has been, well supportive, the
> issues persist. Any thoughts or fixes you have come up with?? I just had a
> customer unplug the coms cable from their sol-ark and bring their readings
> to volts VS %% and it is starting to work a bit better. Any and all help or
> ideas appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thx
> peter Giroux
>
> American Solar
>
> Norcross Ga
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress

[Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches]

I also have been having some issues with reported SOC through the Guardian
with Fortress. Fortress is generally responsive, although no one has
specifically addressed my concern yet. What I have seen with two recent
eFlex installations (replacing an existing battery bank on an off-grid
system) is that the reported SOC in the Guardian app for some batteries is
way lower than it should be. For example, one system is at 92%, 92%, 92%,
62%. Yet the lights on the batteries all indicate that they are in the
75-100% range. The other system is reporting 23%, 63%, 62%, 25%, 48%, and
again, all the LED's on the batteries are in sync. This has led one
customer to keep disconnecting the batteries and trying to charge just one
of them up and then fiddling with it until they are all back within a good
voltage range, when I am nearly certain that they are all the same voltage
even though they are reporting different SOC on the Guardian app only.

I am looking forward to when they have the website up and I can look at
historical data to see whether this battery is actually doing more work. I
suspect it is not, but then maybe I can get Fortress to look more closely
at it. And for all these batteries, the cables are exactly the same length
and going to a bus bar.

Has anyone else noticed this discrepancy between the guardian app and (what
I think is) reality with the SOC?

Cheers,
Dave

On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 8:52 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Hi william
>
> Could you share the equipment used and what issues you had?
>
> Thx
> Jay
>
> On Feb 14, 2024, at 3:13 PM, William Miller via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Peter:
>
>
>
> I have only purchased one set of Fortress batteries.  There have been
> issues, I am sure many of them self-induced.  Fortress has been overall
> very responsive.  There have been a few days where I could not get through
> to technical support but with persistence I always manage.  Fortress has
> offered truck–roll compensation at a reasonable rate as well.
>
>
>
> William Miller
>
>
>
> Miller Solar
>
> 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422
>
> 805-438-5600
>
> www.millersolar.com
>
> CA Lic. 773985
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Peter Giroux via RE-wrenches
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2024 6:47 AM
> *To:* 'RE-wrenches'
> *Cc:* pgir...@mindspring.com
> *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Fortress
>
>
>
> Good morning my fellow wrenchers. While I see the comments on SunPower and
> the challenges, are any of you having similar issues with Fortress? Their
> bms boards from the early classics have not held up and even after
> replacement there are still issues ( parallel batteries and stand alone not
> showing accurate #’s,  ). While support has been, well supportive, the
> issues persist. Any thoughts or fixes you have come up with?? I just had a
> customer unplug the coms cable from their sol-ark and bring their readings
> to volts VS %% and it is starting to work a bit better. Any and all help or
> ideas appreciated.
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress

[Jay via RE-wrenches]

Hi williamCould you share the equipment used and what issues you had?ThxJayOn Feb 14, 2024, at 3:13 PM, William Miller via RE-wrenches  wrote:Peter: I have only purchased one set of Fortress batteries.  There have been issues, I am sure many of them self-induced.  Fortress has been overall very responsive.  There have been a few days where I could not get through to technical support but with persistence I always manage.  Fortress has offered truck–roll compensation at a reasonable rate as well. William Miller Miller Solar17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422805-438-5600www.millersolar.comCA Lic. 773985  From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Peter Giroux via RE-wrenchesSent: Wednesday, February 14, 2024 6:47 AMTo: 'RE-wrenches'Cc: pgir...@mindspring.comSubject: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Good morning my fellow wrenchers. While I see the comments on SunPower and the challenges, are any of you having similar issues with Fortress? Their bms boards from the early classics have not held up and even after replacement there are still issues ( parallel batteries and stand alone not showing accurate #’s,  ). While support has been, well supportive, the issues persist. Any thoughts or fixes you have come up with?? I just had a customer unplug the coms cable from their sol-ark and bring their readings to volts VS %% and it is starting to work a bit better. Any and all help or ideas appreciated. Thxpeter GirouxAmerican SolarNorcross Ga
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress

[William Miller via RE-wrenches]

Peter:



I have only purchased one set of Fortress batteries.  There have been
issues, I am sure many of them self-induced.  Fortress has been overall
very responsive.  There have been a few days where I could not get through
to technical support but with persistence I always manage.  Fortress has
offered truck–roll compensation at a reasonable rate as well.



William Miller



Miller Solar

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805-438-5600

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CA Lic. 773985





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*Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2024 6:47 AM
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*Cc:* pgir...@mindspring.com
*Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Fortress



Good morning my fellow wrenchers. While I see the comments on SunPower and
the challenges, are any of you having similar issues with Fortress? Their
bms boards from the early classics have not held up and even after
replacement there are still issues ( parallel batteries and stand alone not
showing accurate #’s,  ). While support has been, well supportive, the
issues persist. Any thoughts or fixes you have come up with?? I just had a
customer unplug the coms cable from their sol-ark and bring their readings
to volts VS %% and it is starting to work a bit better. Any and all help or
ideas appreciated.



Thx
peter Giroux

American Solar

Norcross Ga
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches]

Hi Peter,

I was called in to consult on a new existing 4x Fortress E flex / 
Schneider XWP system that worked fine open loop but never communicated 
with the Schneider gateway. Fortress to their credit sent a tech out and 
he did Fortress FW and a PC exchange. Still not working.


The owner was upset and replaced with Discover AES 42-48-6650. There was 
zero configuration to do which surprised the installer. Worked fine 
closed loop from the start.


I do not like to be negative about companies in North America and I 
still think Fortress could have fixed this with more time.


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On 2024-02-14 6:46 am, Peter Giroux via RE-wrenches wrote:

Good morning my fellow wrenchers. While I see the comments on SunPower 
and the challenges, are any of you having similar issues with Fortress? 
Their bms boards from the early classics have not held up and even 
after replacement there are still issues ( parallel batteries and stand 
alone not showing accurate #'s,  ). While support has been, well 
supportive, the issues persist. Any thoughts or fixes you have come up 
with?? I just had a customer unplug the coms cable from their sol-ark 
and bring their readings to volts VS %% and it is starting to work a 
bit better. Any and all help or ideas appreciated.


Thx
peter Giroux

American Solar

Norcross Ga
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress

[Eric Smiley via RE-wrenches]

The BMS in the eVault Classic has been a headache.
Fortunately, we were able to convince Fortress to let us proactively
replace the BMS in some of our systems - especially the remote off-grid
systems. We are still having problems with weird SOC readings on many of
the batteries. Apparently the SOC reading can get stuck at 100% and
Fortress is aware of the bug. It is frustrating because the owners rely on
the SOC reading rather than voltage.
This experience did convince me that Li-Ion in off-grid applications is not
a reliable solution unless there are multiple independent batteries with
their own BMS. The battery itself may be robust (how long have these
actually been in the field in real-world applications) but the BMS is a
complicated piece of electronics on which the entire system is dependent.
Li-Ion violates the KISS principle. So we talk our off-grid clients out of
using Li-Ion.
IMHO relying on firmware and circuit boards to keep your system running and
protect it from catastrophic failure is not sustainable.

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On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 at 06:47, Peter Giroux via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Good morning my fellow wrenchers. While I see the comments on SunPower and
> the challenges, are any of you having similar issues with Fortress? Their
> bms boards from the early classics have not held up and even after
> replacement there are still issues ( parallel batteries and stand alone not
> showing accurate #’s,  ). While support has been, well supportive, the
> issues persist. Any thoughts or fixes you have come up with?? I just had a
> customer unplug the coms cable from their sol-ark and bring their readings
> to volts VS %% and it is starting to work a bit better. Any and all help or
> ideas appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thx
> peter Giroux
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[RE-wrenches] Fortress

[Peter Giroux via RE-wrenches]

Good morning my fellow wrenchers. While I see the comments on SunPower and
the challenges, are any of you having similar issues with Fortress? Their
bms boards from the early classics have not held up and even after
replacement there are still issues ( parallel batteries and stand alone not
showing accurate #'s,  ). While support has been, well supportive, the
issues persist. Any thoughts or fixes you have come up with?? I just had a
customer unplug the coms cable from their sol-ark and bring their readings
to volts VS %% and it is starting to work a bit better. Any and all help or
ideas appreciated.

 

Thx
peter Giroux

American Solar

Norcross Ga

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress remote monitoring

[William Miller via RE-wrenches]

Friends:



The Guardian app does not provide any historical data.  Fortress says they
are working on that.  They claim that on request they can provide
historical data but the one time I asked there was an hours-long gap in the
data at the exact time I needed.  Maybe Rose Mary Woods’ incarnation is
working for them.



William



Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

www.millersolar.com

CA Lic. 773985





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*Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2023 9:40 AM
*To:* RE-wrenches
*Cc:* Kirk Herander
*Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress remote monitoring



Yep, I found this out when I installed my first Fortress Evault / Envy
inverter combo last month.



What was also a bit different at first is the fact there are -2- different
apps: the Guardian gateway app and the Envy inverter app. I bought the
guardian thinking it was the only way to see the system remotely, but this
is not true IF you've installed the Envy inverter also. The limitation of
no "fleet" monitoring is puzzling.



But now I'm glad there's a unique app for the inverter. The inverter app is
much more detailed and allows most parameters to be tweaked remotely. The
Guardian app id for basic system monitoring only.



So the single-user per app has worked out OK. My customer uses the
at-a-glance Guardian app, and I use the Envy app for more detailed
monitoring and programming.



On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 12:11 PM Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

Here is an official communication from Fortress that we received recently
when inquiring about monitoring Fortress batteries as an Installer.  Some
of you may find the info relevant.



-- Forwarded message -
From:  
Date: Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 12:37 PM
Subject: Re:[## 5635 ##] Remote Monitoring Access
To: -@---.com



Hi -,



As of right now, the Guardian app is designed to be used by the end user
only and does not have "fleet management" capabilities as you have
described. This is a highly demanded feature so we are working on getting
this added by Q2 2024.



If you would like to view the info from their Guardian, you can use their
login info and log in using their credentials on your phone.



Best,

- --

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Fortress Power

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress remote monitoring

[Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches]

Yep, I found this out when I installed my first Fortress Evault / Envy
inverter combo last month.

What was also a bit different at first is the fact there are -2- different
apps: the Guardian gateway app and the Envy inverter app. I bought the
guardian thinking it was the only way to see the system remotely, but this
is not true IF you've installed the Envy inverter also. The limitation of
no "fleet" monitoring is puzzling.

But now I'm glad there's a unique app for the inverter. The inverter app is
much more detailed and allows most parameters to be tweaked remotely. The
Guardian app id for basic system monitoring only.

So the single-user per app has worked out OK. My customer uses the
at-a-glance Guardian app, and I use the Envy app for more detailed
monitoring and programming.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 12:11 PM Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Here is an official communication from Fortress that we received recently
> when inquiring about monitoring Fortress batteries as an Installer.  Some
> of you may find the info relevant.
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From:  
> Date: Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 12:37 PM
> Subject: Re:[## 5635 ##] Remote Monitoring Access
> To: -@---.com
>
>
> Hi -,
>
> As of right now, the Guardian app is designed to be used by the end user
> only and does not have "fleet management" capabilities as you have
> described. This is a highly demanded feature so we are working on getting
> this added by Q2 2024.
>
> If you would like to view the info from their Guardian, you can use their
> login info and log in using their credentials on your phone.
>
> Best,
> - --
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> Fortress Power
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress remote monitoring

[Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches]

Here is an official communication from Fortress that we received recently
when inquiring about monitoring Fortress batteries as an Installer.  Some
of you may find the info relevant.

-- Forwarded message -
From:  
Date: Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 12:37 PM
Subject: Re:[## 5635 ##] Remote Monitoring Access
To: -@---.com


Hi -,

As of right now, the Guardian app is designed to be used by the end user
only and does not have "fleet management" capabilities as you have
described. This is a highly demanded feature so we are working on getting
this added by Q2 2024.

If you would like to view the info from their Guardian, you can use their
login info and log in using their credentials on your phone.

Best,
- --
Applications Engineer II
Fortress Power
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress remote monitoring

[Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches]

Interesting on the "mesh" wifi. That is good to know.
And yes, the site I linked is for the Guardian data. I don't know if there
is a separate site for the Envy data, but I'll find out in a couple weeks
when I install my first Envy inverter system. For what it's worth, their
tech support has been easy to get a hold of.

Cheers,
Dave

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 12:04 PM Kirk Herander  wrote:

> Yeah, I tried that site the other day, my browser gave me warning
> messages, so I left it alone. So that site will be online access to the
> Guardian gateway data? I wonder if thats true for the Envy app also.
>
> PS I found out the Guardian gateway will not recognise a newer "mesh" wifi
> signal. Fortress is working on a fix, but the physical LAN connection does
> work.
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 11:28 AM Dave Tedeyan 
> wrote:
>
>> Kirk,
>>
>> I know that with the Guardian Battery monitor the app is working, but
>> they are doing a major overhaul on the website. My login info does not work
>> on the website right now, and I am told that it will not be available until
>> the new year. The website is:
>> https://app.fortresspower.io/
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 11:25 AM Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I installed an Evault 18.5 with Envy 8kw inverter the other day. I'm
>>> wondering if there is any way to actually monitor / download system data
>>> from a desktop computer? Can't find anything in the Fortress docs (some of
>>> which appear to be WIP for content) about this. The Fortress mobile apps
>>> are nice, but don't allow for any data download, unless I'm totally missing
>>> something. Thanks.
>>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress remote monitoring

[Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches]

Yeah, I tried that site the other day, my browser gave me warning messages,
so I left it alone. So that site will be online access to the Guardian
gateway data? I wonder if thats true for the Envy app also.

PS I found out the Guardian gateway will not recognise a newer "mesh" wifi
signal. Fortress is working on a fix, but the physical LAN connection does
work.

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> Kirk,
>
> I know that with the Guardian Battery monitor the app is working, but they
> are doing a major overhaul on the website. My login info does not work on
> the website right now, and I am told that it will not be available until
> the new year. The website is:
> https://app.fortresspower.io/
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
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>> Hello,
>>
>> I installed an Evault 18.5 with Envy 8kw inverter the other day. I'm
>> wondering if there is any way to actually monitor / download system data
>> from a desktop computer? Can't find anything in the Fortress docs (some of
>> which appear to be WIP for content) about this. The Fortress mobile apps
>> are nice, but don't allow for any data download, unless I'm totally missing
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress remote monitoring

[Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches]

Kirk,

I know that with the Guardian Battery monitor the app is working, but they
are doing a major overhaul on the website. My login info does not work on
the website right now, and I am told that it will not be available until
the new year. The website is:
https://app.fortresspower.io/

Cheers,
Dave

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> Hello,
>
> I installed an Evault 18.5 with Envy 8kw inverter the other day. I'm
> wondering if there is any way to actually monitor / download system data
> from a desktop computer? Can't find anything in the Fortress docs (some of
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> are nice, but don't allow for any data download, unless I'm totally missing
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[RE-wrenches] Fortress remote monitoring

[Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches]

Hello,

I installed an Evault 18.5 with Envy 8kw inverter the other day. I'm
wondering if there is any way to actually monitor / download system data
from a desktop computer? Can't find anything in the Fortress docs (some of
which appear to be WIP for content) about this. The Fortress mobile apps
are nice, but don't allow for any data download, unless I'm totally missing
something. Thanks.

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress LFPs & ENVY 12kw inverte

[Jeremy Coxon via RE-wrenches]

Kirk,
I was going to make the jump to Fortress Envy after the recent NABCEP 
conference. Seemed like a good way to go, i.e. one company to deal with and 
about same features as SA. When I went to purchase from well known (unnamed) 
dist, I was warned away due to unresolved issues with AC coupling. I couldn’t 
get more info or details - just got pointed to other solutions.  I’m waiting 
and watching to see how they do before I make the jump.  I’m not in the 
business of being front line support for these guys.  I will say they were very 
good at responding to my design questions, but when I brought this little AC 
coupling issue up - crickets.  I also don’t like their “ticket” system for tech 
support.  Frustrating!

Jeremy Coxon NABCEP 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress LFPs & ENVY 12kw inverter

[Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches]

Kirk
Personally I would go with solark that's what they do, make inverters not
other stuff just like I would use Fortress for the battery because that's
what they do, is it similar sure but why? If it's the same then go with a
known product and track record, we are seeing this mre and more and that
does not always turn out that well.
Jerry

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> are somewhat similar.
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress LFPs & ENVY 12kw inverter

[Darryl Thayer via RE-wrenches]

Hello, just an onion of an old person.  I have needed a lot of tech help, I
find Sol-Ark the best tech, So I would go with experiance.

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>
> Any opinions from the real-world of installs would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress LFPs & ENVY 12kw inverter

[Jeff Clearwater via RE-wrenches]

This is incorrect. Deye does not make the ENVY. 

Contact me off list if you want to discuss 



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> On Jun 1, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Jay via RE-wrenches 
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> Hi Kirk
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> It’s the same Chinese company who makes both. Deye 
> 
> If I understand correctly sol ark’s exclusive arrangement with Deye ended. 
> 
> Jay
> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I am sizing my first Fortress system, 18.5kwh LFPs w/ their new ENVY 
>> inverter. Or would a Sol-Ark be a better fit? I understand both inverters 
>> are somewhat similar.
>> 
>> Any opinions from the real-world of installs would be greatly appreciated. 
>> Thanks.
>> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress LFPs & ENVY 12kw inverter

[Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches]

Kirk,
I have not tried the new Envy inverter, and at the moment am slightly
reluctant to do so, mostly because I have gone all in on Sol-Ark/eVault Max
setups for battery based systems and I hate having more and more different
products to stay on top of.  That being said, I attended an Envy webinar,
and on first pass, programming and interface seemed pretty well thought out
with the Envy (although in general, I've been pretty happy with the
Sol-Ark, but from a distance the Envy looked like an improvement). The
advantage with an Envy is the single company so interface issues won't
devolve into a guessing game between 2 companies. None-the-less, for the
time being, I'm staying with the Sol-Ark...
Howie
Sun Catcher


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>
> Any opinions from the real-world of installs would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress LFPs & ENVY 12kw inverter

[Jay via RE-wrenches]

Hi KirkIt’s the same Chinese company who makes both. Deye If I understand correctly sol ark’s exclusive arrangement with Deye ended. JayOn Jun 1, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches  wrote:Hello All,I am sizing my first Fortress system, 18.5kwh LFPs w/ their new ENVY inverter. Or would a Sol-Ark be a better fit? I understand both inverters are somewhat similar.Any opinions from the real-world of installs would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.-- Kirk Herander / kirkh@vermont.solarOwner|Principal, VT Solar, LLCCelebrating our 32st Anniversary 1991-2023!!dba Vermont Solar Engineering802.863.1202
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[RE-wrenches] Fortress LFPs & ENVY 12kw inverter

[Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches]

Hello All,

I am sizing my first Fortress system, 18.5kwh LFPs w/ their new ENVY
inverter. Or would a Sol-Ark be a better fit? I understand both inverters
are somewhat similar.

Any opinions from the real-world of installs would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

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[RE-wrenches] Fortress Envy - AC coupled

[Jeremy Coxon via RE-wrenches]

Wondering if anyone has used the new 12kW Fortress Envy inverter in an AC 
coupled system yet and what sort of results you might have seen?  I’ve heard 
that this inverter is made by the same manufacturer as SolArk.  Don’t know if 
that’s true or not, but find it interesting.

Best Regards,
Jeremy Coxon NABCEP # 091308-21
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Battery Heater

[Kienan Maxfield via RE-wrenches]

I've wanted to find a thermostat that could handle DC Voltage for a while now, 
but I haven't done the research. What I've wanted to do is to tap right off the 
PV input, through a thermostat, into a simple resistive heater. That way, it 
won't drain the battery to warm the array. If the resistive heater is designed 
for 120V AC, then it should work pretty well with 3 60 cell modules in series. 
I'd want to actually do the math with the Voc and Vmp and temperatures before 
suggesting an actual design, but shooting from the hip, If you have 5 or 6 
modules in series, then just wire 2 heating pads in series. If you have 10 to 
12 modules in series, just put 3 heating pads in series. You get the gist. I 
think the only difficult part to really figure out is the thermostat. I don't 
know if anyone makes a thermostat that would work with the DC voltage. 
Otherwise, you'd need a DC relay or contactor, but then you'd need a source for 
the control voltage...

Anyways, just some food for thought. If anyone has ideas about a high voltage 
DC thermostat, I'd love to hear about it.

Thanks,
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Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2023 11:01 AM
To: RE-wrenches 
Cc: Chris Schaefer 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Battery Heater

Ray,

I'd suggest reaching out to the Fortress techie's as they just introduced a 
heater product for their enclosure products. While I don't believe they have a 
unit specif to the eVault but you should be able to make it work.

Christopher

On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 6:43 PM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches 
mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>> 
wrote:
Pet heater have worked for me, I air gap a sealed heater box under the battery, 
thermostat inside the top of the battery.  It's slow and low power but does the 
trick
Fun times

On Wed, Feb 8, 2023, 3:05 PM Ray Walters via RE-wrenches 
mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>> 
wrote:
Hi All;

I have a fresh Fortress Evault installation with a Solark inverter.  The
batteries are indoors in the center of the house, but the customer is
not there full time, so the battery is unfortunately going below
freezing.  What are the best options for setting up a heating system for
the E Vault?

Here are ideas that I have not tried, but am considering:
1) add a 240 v, 1000 w baseboard heater in the room near the battery
that is wired to only run off the generator.  Run the generator until
the heat comes up, and then hopefully after 30 minutes, the battery
would begin accepting a charge.

2) Add an 120 vac heating blanket under the evault that would be wired
to a thermostat, but also have a relay control from the PV system, so
that the heater would only operate when the sun was out, and the battery
was below 50F.   I don't quite know how to set this up with the Solark's
load controls.

I've considered some DC options, but they don't make much sense, since
the inverter has to be on to charge from PV anyway.

The long term plan is for the client to finish the insulation, and sheet
rock, and add a gas wall heater in there as needed.

Thanks,

Ray Walters
Remote Solar
in the Colorado mountain cold.

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Battery Heater

[Chris Schaefer via RE-wrenches]

Ray,

I'd suggest reaching out to the Fortress techie's as they just introduced a
heater product for their enclosure products. While I don't believe they
have a unit specif to the eVault but you should be able to make it work.

Christopher

On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 6:43 PM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Pet heater have worked for me, I air gap a sealed heater box under the
> battery, thermostat inside the top of the battery.  It's slow and low power
> but does the trick
> Fun times
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023, 3:05 PM Ray Walters via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi All;
>>
>> I have a fresh Fortress Evault installation with a Solark inverter.  The
>> batteries are indoors in the center of the house, but the customer is
>> not there full time, so the battery is unfortunately going below
>> freezing.  What are the best options for setting up a heating system for
>> the E Vault?
>>
>> Here are ideas that I have not tried, but am considering:
>> 1) add a 240 v, 1000 w baseboard heater in the room near the battery
>> that is wired to only run off the generator.  Run the generator until
>> the heat comes up, and then hopefully after 30 minutes, the battery
>> would begin accepting a charge.
>>
>> 2) Add an 120 vac heating blanket under the evault that would be wired
>> to a thermostat, but also have a relay control from the PV system, so
>> that the heater would only operate when the sun was out, and the battery
>> was below 50F.   I don't quite know how to set this up with the Solark's
>> load controls.
>>
>> I've considered some DC options, but they don't make much sense, since
>> the inverter has to be on to charge from PV anyway.
>>
>> The long term plan is for the client to finish the insulation, and sheet
>> rock, and add a gas wall heater in there as needed.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Walters
>> Remote Solar
>> in the Colorado mountain cold.
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Battery Heater

[Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches]

Pet heater have worked for me, I air gap a sealed heater box under the
battery, thermostat inside the top of the battery.  It's slow and low power
but does the trick
Fun times

On Wed, Feb 8, 2023, 3:05 PM Ray Walters via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Hi All;
>
> I have a fresh Fortress Evault installation with a Solark inverter.  The
> batteries are indoors in the center of the house, but the customer is
> not there full time, so the battery is unfortunately going below
> freezing.  What are the best options for setting up a heating system for
> the E Vault?
>
> Here are ideas that I have not tried, but am considering:
> 1) add a 240 v, 1000 w baseboard heater in the room near the battery
> that is wired to only run off the generator.  Run the generator until
> the heat comes up, and then hopefully after 30 minutes, the battery
> would begin accepting a charge.
>
> 2) Add an 120 vac heating blanket under the evault that would be wired
> to a thermostat, but also have a relay control from the PV system, so
> that the heater would only operate when the sun was out, and the battery
> was below 50F.   I don't quite know how to set this up with the Solark's
> load controls.
>
> I've considered some DC options, but they don't make much sense, since
> the inverter has to be on to charge from PV anyway.
>
> The long term plan is for the client to finish the insulation, and sheet
> rock, and add a gas wall heater in there as needed.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Walters
> Remote Solar
> in the Colorado mountain cold.
>
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[RE-wrenches] Fortress Battery Heater

[Ray Walters via RE-wrenches]

Hi All;

I have a fresh Fortress Evault installation with a Solark inverter.  The 
batteries are indoors in the center of the house, but the customer is 
not there full time, so the battery is unfortunately going below 
freezing.  What are the best options for setting up a heating system for 
the E Vault?


Here are ideas that I have not tried, but am considering:
1) add a 240 v, 1000 w baseboard heater in the room near the battery 
that is wired to only run off the generator.  Run the generator until 
the heat comes up, and then hopefully after 30 minutes, the battery 
would begin accepting a charge.


2) Add an 120 vac heating blanket under the evault that would be wired 
to a thermostat, but also have a relay control from the PV system, so 
that the heater would only operate when the sun was out, and the battery 
was below 50F.   I don't quite know how to set this up with the Solark's 
load controls.


I've considered some DC options, but they don't make much sense, since 
the inverter has to be on to charge from PV anyway.


The long term plan is for the client to finish the insulation, and sheet 
rock, and add a gas wall heater in there as needed.


Thanks,

Ray Walters
Remote Solar
in the Colorado mountain cold.

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Battery Problems

[Kienan Maxfield via RE-wrenches]

Ray,

I'm curious if your Fortress system is doing better now. Fortress used to do 
their support using a platform that was open to the public. It allowed anyone 
who wanted to see what they had suggested to other people. I've seen them 
recommend a one-time charge of up to 56V to get everything in sync. When 
charging above the normal charge voltage, it's advisable to use a low current.

As far as the master/slave configureation... the batteries don't control how 
much they discharge/recharge. They shut themselves off for certain protective 
reasons, and they balance themselves when they're above a certain voltage, but 
other than that, they don't have any control. The master/slave is for 
communication and safety purposes only.

Thanks,
Kienan


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From: RE-wrenches  on behalf of Ray 
Walters via RE-wrenches 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 1:14 PM
To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org 
Cc: Ray Walters 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Battery Problems


I finally heard back from Fortress, I'm going to try their suggestion of 
"equalizing" the batteries at 55.5 v, and adjust some settings.  I'll report 
back to the list on what I come up with.  This is an interesting application: 
quad stack of VFX inverters with Midnite CCs.   Using the aux out on the 
Classic to control a relay to turn on/off the inverters for LVD, since Outback 
programming (like Schneider) won't allow LVD settings above 48v.

Ray

On 11/16/2022 12:40 PM, Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches wrote:
Hi Ray,

I would suggest pushing the latest firmware update to both units.

https://www.fortresspower.com/firmware/

re: tech support…

I have had good luck speaking directly to Tom:

Thomas Honey
Fortress Power
Applications Engineering
(215) 613-4318 x4318
t...@fortresspower.com<mailto:t...@fortresspower.com>

I agree that Fortress’ Discord, online ticketing system and phone support are 
subpar. Call me old school, but an answered phone call when on-site is a must 
have feature of any manufacturer.

Hope this helps,

-Chris

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 2:20 PM Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches 
mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>> 
wrote:
Hi Ray,
I have been having a difficult time communicating with Fortress as well.  I 
filed a support ticket several times and only got a response a couple of days 
later asking another question that was easily answered, but then do not receive 
any reply to that without filing another support ticket, which again takes days 
for them to respond to.  Very unsatisfactory and frustrating after having 
invested in 7 eVault Max for a long time client. Don't have any suggestions for 
you.
Howie Michaelson
Sun Catcher
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer™
[https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1MQF8aTcFNnBR59ia5JAm1DsPHCxzNkPx=download]
Solar Electric Systems Sales & Service
802-272-0004


On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 2:02 PM Ray Walters via RE-wrenches 
mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>> 
wrote:
Greetings Fellow Wrenches;

Based on glowing reports from the RE list, I finally used Fortress for a
battery replacement for a long time customer. Overall, it seems to be a
better solution than others I've seen. However, we are having issues.
First the two batteries are supposed to be linked together in a master/
slave configuration, but they charge and discharge unevenly, and have
SOC often 20% different.   Batteries are connected to a common buss with
equal length 4/0 cables.

I've been truly disappointed with Fortress customer support. First, I've
called multiple times over the past two weeks, and never got through to
anyone.  Their online support system is quite flawed as well, and I had
a very difficult time even setting up a support ticket.  Now I can't
even log in to view the support ticket, and I've only received one email
back asking if I had properly paralleled the batteries.

Has anyone else had a hard time with Fortress support?  Does anyone have
a direct contact?  Customer is beyond pissed now, after almost 2 weeks
hearing nothing, and having spent tens of thousands.

Thanks;

Ray Walters
Remote Solar

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Battery Problems

[Kienan Maxfield via RE-wrenches]

Hey all, I really like Fortress and I’ve had amazingly good experiences with 
their support. I have had 3 different interactions with Fortress technical 
support. They’ve supported me very very well. They don’t have a good phone 
number for me to call, but I fill out an online ticket and then the appropriate 
support agent calls me. Sure, occasionally I’m in a place with no internet, but 
then, there’s probably no cell phone coverage either.

Overall, their technical support was the most helpful team I’ve ever 
experienced. Outback Power has some really awesome techs (like Lones Tuss) but 
when you have to deal with the low level techs (which is most of the time), 
it’s pretty bad. I haven’t had good experiences with Schneider tech support or 
MidNite tech support. I’ve dealt with many other companies, and I felt like 
Fortress had the best tech support I’ve had to deal with.

Cheers,
Kienan

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On Dec 12, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:



Fortress has been great for me/and my clients and they have webinars all the 
time.Not sure why you guy's are not going to them?

Below is one this week.

-

Thank you for registering for "Holly Jolly Webinar 2022".

Join Fortress Power West Coast Sales Director, Alex Lepore, for a festive and 
informational Holly Jolly Webinar! This webinar will discuss the following 
topics:
- Battery overview
- Supply challenges and product availability
- Fortress Power in 2023 and beyond

Please send your questions, comments and feedback to: 
sa...@fortresspower.com




Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where powerlines don't"
http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net
text 209 813 0060


On 2022-12-11 10:20 pm, Roland - RES via RE-wrenches wrote:

Aloha Jeremy,

I would like to join this call.

We have numerous Fortress systems installed.

Sent from a IPhone, with touch screen keys on the fly. Please excuse shortcuts 
and typos.

Roland Shackelford
NABCEP CERTIFIED PV INSTALLER
President
Renewable Energy Services (RES), Inc.
Mobile:  808-938-9239
www.renewablenergy.com

On Dec 1, 2022, at 1:22 PM, Jeremy Coxon via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:

HI Wrenches,

A couple of weeks ago this thread came up - main topic was lack of tech support 
from Fortress.  A few days later I was contacted by Marc Zeitlin, Fortress's
Regional sales manager Midwest.  We haven't used Fortress yet, but I basically 
reiterated the concerns that were expressed on this thread and said that I'd be 
interested once they had their Tech support issues ironed out.  To my surprise 
Marc really took that feedback and ran with it all the way up to offering me 
and those of you that are interested a call with their CEO and anyone else we 
would like to talk to.  I offered to send this note to the list and invite you 
all to join the call.  I would think we'd want to keep the numbers manageable, 
but we can figure that out.

I don't have a horse in the race and have no association with Fortress, but I 
thought it might be a really good opportunity for those of you that have more 
experience with Fortress to get a direct line with their CEO and main tech 
folks so that we can hopefully improve things for all.  Marc has proposed 
Thursday January 5th at 10am.  Let me know directly at 
jco...@sunwindpowerinc.com if you're 
interested and I'll pass your name along so they can get this set up.

Best Regards,
Jeremy Coxon NABCEP # 091308-21
MWBE Certified

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Battery Problems

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches]

Fortress has been great for me/and my clients and they have webinars all 
the time.Not sure why you guy's are not going to them?


Below is one this week.

-

Thank you for registering for "Holly Jolly Webinar 2022".

Join Fortress Power West Coast Sales Director, Alex Lepore, for a 
festive and informational Holly Jolly Webinar! This webinar will discuss 
the following topics:

- Battery overview
- Supply challenges and product availability
- Fortress Power in 2023 and beyond

Please send your questions, comments and feedback to: 
sa...@fortresspower.com


Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where powerlines don't"
http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net
text 209 813 0060

On 2022-12-11 10:20 pm, Roland - RES via RE-wrenches wrote:


Aloha Jeremy,

I would like to join this call.

We have numerous Fortress systems installed.

Sent from a IPhone, with touch screen keys on the fly. Please excuse 
shortcuts and typos.





Roland Shackelford

NABCEP CERTIFIED PV INSTALLER
President

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On Dec 1, 2022, at 1:22 PM, Jeremy Coxon via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:



HI Wrenches,

A couple of weeks ago this thread came up - main topic was lack of 
tech support from Fortress.  A few days later I was contacted by Marc 
Zeitlin, Fortress's Regional sales manager Midwest.  We haven't used 
Fortress yet, but I basically reiterated the concerns that were 
expressed on this thread and said that I'd be interested once they had 
their Tech support issues ironed out.  To my surprise Marc really took 
that feedback and ran with it all the way up to offering me and those 
of you that are interested a call with their CEO and anyone else we 
would like to talk to.  I offered to send this note to the list and 
invite you all to join the call.  I would think we'd want to keep the 
numbers manageable, but we can figure that out.


I don't have a horse in the race and have no association with 
Fortress, but I thought it might be a really good opportunity for 
those of you that have more experience with Fortress to get a direct 
line with their CEO and main tech folks so that we can hopefully 
improve things for all.  Marc has proposed Thursday January 5th at 
10am.  Let me know directly at jco...@sunwindpowerinc.com if you're 
interested and I'll pass your name along so they can get this set up.


Best Regards,
Jeremy Coxon NABCEP # 091308-21
MWBE Certified

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Battery Problems

[Roland - RES via RE-wrenches]

Aloha Jeremy,I would like to join this call.We have numerous Fortress systems installed.Sent from a IPhone, with touch screen keys on the fly. Please excuse shortcuts and typos. Roland ShackelfordNABCEP CERTIFIED PV INSTALLERPresident Renewable Energy Services (RES), Inc. Mobile:  808-938-9239www.renewablenergy.comOn Dec 1, 2022, at 1:22 PM, Jeremy Coxon via RE-wrenches  wrote:HI Wrenches,A couple of weeks ago this thread came up - main topic was lack of tech support from Fortress.  A few days later I was contacted by Marc Zeitlin, Fortress’sRegional sales manager Midwest.  We haven’t used Fortress yet, but I basically reiterated the concerns that were expressed on this thread and said that I’d be interested once they had their Tech support issues ironed out.  To my surprise Marc really took that feedback and ran with it all the way up to offering me and those of you that are interested a call with their CEO and anyone else we would like to talk to.  I offered to send this note to the list and invite you all to join the call.  I would think we’d want to keep the numbers manageable, but we can figure that out.  I don’t have a horse in the race and have no association with Fortress, but I thought it might be a really good opportunity for those of you that have more experience with Fortress to get a direct line with their CEO and main tech folks so that we can hopefully improve things for all.  Marc has proposed Thursday January 5th at 10am.  Let me know directly at jco...@sunwindpowerinc.com if you’re interested and I’ll pass your name along so they can get this set up.
Best Regards,Jeremy Coxon NABCEP # 091308-21MWBE Certified

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[RE-wrenches] Fortress support call

[Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches]

Jeremy,

I would love to have an opportunity to talk with Fortress about their
support process. I am just in the tail end of installing 2 Sol-Ark/Fortress
off grid systems (one 15k with 2 eVaults and two 15ks with 5 eVaults). I've
been very impressed with both pieces of equipment so far. However, I sent
an email to Fortress expressing my distinct disappointment with the support
I was getting. Particularly after they basically blew off my problems as
being inverter issues, since they couldn't see how anything on their end
could be causing the problems we were experiencing.

I continued to make noise about my problems. Finally, it turned out there
was some incompatibly between a firmware update Sol-Ark did recently and
the eVault's communication protocol.  After that was determined, I have
been impressed with the support response I have been given by Fortress,
consistently getting relatively quick return calls and follow up calls.
They have dedicated lots of resources toward getting a new firmware rolled
out in a very timely fashion and so far it has proven to be stable and
functional. I will have more to say about this once we install the Fortress
update on the larger system, as we are waiting to make sure it continues to
work on the smaller system (we have only had this "beta" firmware on the
system for 2 days now).

I wish there were more online resources for programming and troubleshooting
smaller issues. The wait time between contacting Fortress's support system
and getting a live response is still problematic, especially for off grid
systems, especially in more remote locations, since waiting for hours on
site for a response to even simple issues is not sustainable. My sense is
Fortress is working to improve the situation, but I'm the mean time...

To be fair, I've found this to be pretty much common place with most
manufacturers' support systems these days. I need to remember to build in
more time on my installs, particularly when dealing with new (and/or new to
me) equipment, as my learning curve speed is greatly improved when I can
talk to a live, knowledgeable tech.

Howie
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Battery Problems

[Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches]

This is great to hear even as l have used fortress with no tech support
issues but rather than a phone conversation a zoom might be better as you
can hear and see from the horses mouth. Add in all the notes of all of the
questions and get an answer back one time not a dozen.
Just a thought
Jerry

On Thu, Dec 1, 2022, 3:22 PM Jeremy Coxon via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> HI Wrenches,
>
> A couple of weeks ago this thread came up - main topic was lack of tech
> support from Fortress.  A few days later I was contacted by Marc Zeitlin,
> Fortress’s
> Regional sales manager Midwest.  We haven’t used Fortress yet, but I
> basically reiterated the concerns that were expressed on this thread and
> said that I’d be interested once they had their Tech support issues ironed
> out.  To my surprise Marc really took that feedback and ran with it all the
> way up to offering me and those of you that are interested a call with
> their CEO and anyone else we would like to talk to.  I offered to send this
> note to the list and invite you all to join the call.  I would think we’d
> want to keep the numbers manageable, but we can figure that out.
>
> I don’t have a horse in the race and have no association with Fortress,
> but I thought it might be a really good opportunity for those of you that
> have more experience with Fortress to get a direct line with their CEO and
> main tech folks so that we can hopefully improve things for all.  Marc has
> proposed Thursday January 5th at 10am.  Let me know directly at
> jco...@sunwindpowerinc.com if you’re interested and I’ll pass your name
> along so they can get this set up.
>
> Best Regards,
> Jeremy Coxon NABCEP # 091308-21
> MWBE Certified
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Battery Problems

[Jeremy Coxon via RE-wrenches]

HI Wrenches,

A couple of weeks ago this thread came up - main topic was lack of tech support 
from Fortress.  A few days later I was contacted by Marc Zeitlin, Fortress’s
Regional sales manager Midwest.  We haven’t used Fortress yet, but I basically 
reiterated the concerns that were expressed on this thread and said that I’d be 
interested once they had their Tech support issues ironed out.  To my surprise 
Marc really took that feedback and ran with it all the way up to offering me 
and those of you that are interested a call with their CEO and anyone else we 
would like to talk to.  I offered to send this note to the list and invite you 
all to join the call.  I would think we’d want to keep the numbers manageable, 
but we can figure that out.  

I don’t have a horse in the race and have no association with Fortress, but I 
thought it might be a really good opportunity for those of you that have more 
experience with Fortress to get a direct line with their CEO and main tech 
folks so that we can hopefully improve things for all.  Marc has proposed 
Thursday January 5th at 10am.  Let me know directly at 
jco...@sunwindpowerinc.com  if you’re 
interested and I’ll pass your name along so they can get this set up.

Best Regards,
Jeremy Coxon NABCEP # 091308-21
MWBE Certified



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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Battery Problems

[Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches]

Wrenches and Ray
So did you properly configuer the master slave battery config, I have
several set up with no issues SOC is within1 to 2% and volatge is the same,
what inverter/chargers are you using are you still connnected to bat temp
sensors I assume there is no connection to the inverter(s)
Jerry

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 11:02 AM Ray Walters via RE-wrenches <
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> Greetings Fellow Wrenches;
>
> Based on glowing reports from the RE list, I finally used Fortress for a
> battery replacement for a long time customer. Overall, it seems to be a
> better solution than others I've seen. However, we are having issues.
> First the two batteries are supposed to be linked together in a master/
> slave configuration, but they charge and discharge unevenly, and have
> SOC often 20% different.   Batteries are connected to a common buss with
> equal length 4/0 cables.
>
> I've been truly disappointed with Fortress customer support. First, I've
> called multiple times over the past two weeks, and never got through to
> anyone.  Their online support system is quite flawed as well, and I had
> a very difficult time even setting up a support ticket.  Now I can't
> even log in to view the support ticket, and I've only received one email
> back asking if I had properly paralleled the batteries.
>
> Has anyone else had a hard time with Fortress support?  Does anyone have
> a direct contact?  Customer is beyond pissed now, after almost 2 weeks
> hearing nothing, and having spent tens of thousands.
>
> Thanks;
>
> Ray Walters
> Remote Solar
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Battery Problems

[Ray Walters via RE-wrenches]

I finally heard back from Fortress, I'm going to try their suggestion of 
"equalizing" the batteries at 55.5 v, and adjust some settings.  I'll 
report back to the list on what I come up with.  This is an interesting 
application: quad stack of VFX inverters with Midnite CCs.   Using the 
aux out on the Classic to control a relay to turn on/off the inverters 
for LVD, since Outback programming (like Schneider) won't allow LVD 
settings above 48v.


Ray

On 11/16/2022 12:40 PM, Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches wrote:

Hi Ray,

I would suggest pushing the latest firmware update to both units.

https://www.fortresspower.com/firmware/

re: tech support…

I have had good luck speaking directly to Tom:

Thomas Honey
Fortress Power
Applications Engineering
(215) 613-4318 x4318
t...@fortresspower.com

I agree that Fortress’ Discord, online ticketing system and phone 
support are subpar. Call me old school, but an answered phone call 
when on-site is a must have feature of any manufacturer.


Hope this helps,

-Chris

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 2:20 PM Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


Hi Ray,
I have been having a difficult time communicating with Fortress as
well.  I filed a support ticket several times and only got a
response a couple of days later asking another question that was
easily answered, but then do not receive any reply to that without
filing another support ticket, which again takes days for them to
respond to. Very unsatisfactory and frustrating after having
invested in 7 eVault Max for a long time client. Don't have any
suggestions for you.
*Howie Michaelson
**Sun Catcher*
*/NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer™
/**
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 2:02 PM Ray Walters via RE-wrenches
 wrote:

Greetings Fellow Wrenches;

Based on glowing reports from the RE list, I finally used
Fortress for a
battery replacement for a long time customer. Overall, it
seems to be a
better solution than others I've seen. However, we are having
issues.
First the two batteries are supposed to be linked together in
a master/
slave configuration, but they charge and discharge unevenly,
and have
SOC often 20% different.   Batteries are connected to a common
buss with
equal length 4/0 cables.

I've been truly disappointed with Fortress customer support.
First, I've
called multiple times over the past two weeks, and never got
through to
anyone.  Their online support system is quite flawed as well,
and I had
a very difficult time even setting up a support ticket. Now I
can't
even log in to view the support ticket, and I've only received
one email
back asking if I had properly paralleled the batteries.

Has anyone else had a hard time with Fortress support? Does
anyone have
a direct contact?  Customer is beyond pissed now, after almost
2 weeks
hearing nothing, and having spent tens of thousands.

Thanks;

Ray Walters
Remote Solar

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Battery Problems

[Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches]

Hi Ray,

I would suggest pushing the latest firmware update to both units.

https://www.fortresspower.com/firmware/

re: tech support…

I have had good luck speaking directly to Tom:

Thomas Honey
Fortress Power
Applications Engineering
(215) 613-4318 x4318
t...@fortresspower.com

I agree that Fortress’ Discord, online ticketing system and phone support
are subpar. Call me old school, but an answered phone call when on-site is
a must have feature of any manufacturer.

Hope this helps,

-Chris

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 2:20 PM Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Hi Ray,
> I have been having a difficult time communicating with Fortress as well.
> I filed a support ticket several times and only got a response a couple of
> days later asking another question that was easily answered, but then do
> not receive any reply to that without filing another support ticket, which
> again takes days for them to respond to.  Very unsatisfactory and
> frustrating after having invested in 7 eVault Max for a long time client.
> Don't have any suggestions for you.
>
> *Howie Michaelson**Sun Catcher*
>
> *NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer™*
>
> *Solar Electric Systems Sales & Service802-272-0004*
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 2:02 PM Ray Walters via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> Greetings Fellow Wrenches;
>>
>> Based on glowing reports from the RE list, I finally used Fortress for a
>> battery replacement for a long time customer. Overall, it seems to be a
>> better solution than others I've seen. However, we are having issues.
>> First the two batteries are supposed to be linked together in a master/
>> slave configuration, but they charge and discharge unevenly, and have
>> SOC often 20% different.   Batteries are connected to a common buss with
>> equal length 4/0 cables.
>>
>> I've been truly disappointed with Fortress customer support. First, I've
>> called multiple times over the past two weeks, and never got through to
>> anyone.  Their online support system is quite flawed as well, and I had
>> a very difficult time even setting up a support ticket.  Now I can't
>> even log in to view the support ticket, and I've only received one email
>> back asking if I had properly paralleled the batteries.
>>
>> Has anyone else had a hard time with Fortress support?  Does anyone have
>> a direct contact?  Customer is beyond pissed now, after almost 2 weeks
>> hearing nothing, and having spent tens of thousands.
>>
>> Thanks;
>>
>> Ray Walters
>> Remote Solar
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fortress Battery Problems

[Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches]

Hi Ray,
I have been having a difficult time communicating with Fortress as well.  I
filed a support ticket several times and only got a response a couple of
days later asking another question that was easily answered, but then do
not receive any reply to that without filing another support ticket, which
again takes days for them to respond to.  Very unsatisfactory and
frustrating after having invested in 7 eVault Max for a long time client.
Don't have any suggestions for you.

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On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 2:02 PM Ray Walters via RE-wrenches <
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> Greetings Fellow Wrenches;
>
> Based on glowing reports from the RE list, I finally used Fortress for a
> battery replacement for a long time customer. Overall, it seems to be a
> better solution than others I've seen. However, we are having issues.
> First the two batteries are supposed to be linked together in a master/
> slave configuration, but they charge and discharge unevenly, and have
> SOC often 20% different.   Batteries are connected to a common buss with
> equal length 4/0 cables.
>
> I've been truly disappointed with Fortress customer support. First, I've
> called multiple times over the past two weeks, and never got through to
> anyone.  Their online support system is quite flawed as well, and I had
> a very difficult time even setting up a support ticket.  Now I can't
> even log in to view the support ticket, and I've only received one email
> back asking if I had properly paralleled the batteries.
>
> Has anyone else had a hard time with Fortress support?  Does anyone have
> a direct contact?  Customer is beyond pissed now, after almost 2 weeks
> hearing nothing, and having spent tens of thousands.
>
> Thanks;
>
> Ray Walters
> Remote Solar
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[RE-wrenches] Fortress Battery Problems

[Ray Walters via RE-wrenches]

Greetings Fellow Wrenches;

Based on glowing reports from the RE list, I finally used Fortress for a 
battery replacement for a long time customer. Overall, it seems to be a 
better solution than others I've seen. However, we are having issues.  
First the two batteries are supposed to be linked together in a master/ 
slave configuration, but they charge and discharge unevenly, and have 
SOC often 20% different.   Batteries are connected to a common buss with 
equal length 4/0 cables.


I've been truly disappointed with Fortress customer support. First, I've 
called multiple times over the past two weeks, and never got through to 
anyone.  Their online support system is quite flawed as well, and I had 
a very difficult time even setting up a support ticket.  Now I can't 
even log in to view the support ticket, and I've only received one email 
back asking if I had properly paralleled the batteries.


Has anyone else had a hard time with Fortress support?  Does anyone have 
a direct contact?  Customer is beyond pissed now, after almost 2 weeks 
hearing nothing, and having spent tens of thousands.


Thanks;

Ray Walters
Remote Solar

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Re: [RE-wrenches] fortress power question

[Eric Smiley]

My experience and advice from Tech Support at Fortress was NOT to network
the eVault 18.5 with only 2 batteries. We just installed two eVault18.5
with one Sol-Ark12K. The communication doesn't work properly with only two
batteries. The tech advised to run both batteries independently as Masters,
which was the only way we could make it work. All attempts at networking
them failed. We didn't try to network the batteries to the inverter.
Of course, Murphy's Law dictated that this was a remote system with no
internet or cell reception. So, I had to make a second trip out to make it
work after I found this out from Tech Support the next morning.
Apparently you can network one battery with the Sol-Ark in closed loop but
the tech I talked to said how this is done (special com cable) varies with
the version of the Sol-Ark one is using since Sol-Ark has been making
changes to their circuit board.

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On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 at 14:01, Jason Szumlanski <
ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote:

> I think this was mentioned by others, but Fortress confirmed to me today
> that closed loop only works with one or two evault batteries with Sol-Ark.
> More than that and communications breaks down. They're working on a fix,
> but they told me that there are no guarantees. They could not give me a
> date. It sounded like it was a hardware fix and existing batteries would
> not be upgradable.
>
> Jason
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 2:22 PM Chris Sparadeo 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jay,
>>
>> Yes, when installed in a closed loop configuration, the Sol Ark uses the
>> SOC% provided by the BMS...which can be used to control the AGS.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 1:58 PM Jay  wrote:
>>
>>> Thx Chris.
>>>
>>> Does the sol ark use the % info from the batteries for ags operation?
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2021, at 10:10 AM, Chris Sparadeo 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Jay,
>>>
>>> I have installed the eFlex paired with Sol Ark and it was very straight
>>> forward. You need to make a modified RJ45 cable, but other than that, it’s
>>> pretty much plug and play. I believe that Fortress is still working on
>>> their WiFi monitoring for the eFlex...They say the eVault will be closed
>>> loop by Q2.
>>>
>>> -Chris
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 11:56 AM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
>>> offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:
>>>
 Jay,

 I worked with them on the XW to close the loop. They did get it working
 with Eflex and it is easy to commission. However, they were not able to
 get
 the conext insight data out to the cloud totally implemented. Until they
 prove that to me, I will stay with Discover AES. The site at the bottom
 showing state of charge is an AES battery BTW.


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 > Some questions to those installing  fortress power.
 >
 > 1. has anyone installed them in a closed loop comm and if so, which
 > inverter
 >
 > 2. it doesn’t appear that there is any online or app for
 > communication/monitoring?
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 > thx
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Re: [RE-wrenches] fortress power question

[Jason Szumlanski]

I think this was mentioned by others, but Fortress confirmed to me today
that closed loop only works with one or two evault batteries with Sol-Ark.
More than that and communications breaks down. They're working on a fix,
but they told me that there are no guarantees. They could not give me a
date. It sounded like it was a hardware fix and existing batteries would
not be upgradable.

Jason

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 2:22 PM Chris Sparadeo 
wrote:

> Hi Jay,
>
> Yes, when installed in a closed loop configuration, the Sol Ark uses the
> SOC% provided by the BMS...which can be used to control the AGS.
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 1:58 PM Jay  wrote:
>
>> Thx Chris.
>>
>> Does the sol ark use the % info from the batteries for ags operation?
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2021, at 10:10 AM, Chris Sparadeo 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Jay,
>>
>> I have installed the eFlex paired with Sol Ark and it was very straight
>> forward. You need to make a modified RJ45 cable, but other than that, it’s
>> pretty much plug and play. I believe that Fortress is still working on
>> their WiFi monitoring for the eFlex...They say the eVault will be closed
>> loop by Q2.
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 11:56 AM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
>> offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Jay,
>>>
>>> I worked with them on the XW to close the loop. They did get it working
>>> with Eflex and it is easy to commission. However, they were not able to
>>> get
>>> the conext insight data out to the cloud totally implemented. Until they
>>> prove that to me, I will stay with Discover AES. The site at the bottom
>>> showing state of charge is an AES battery BTW.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>>> "we go where powerlines don't"
>>> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
>>> e-mail offgridso...@sti.net
>>> text 209 813 0060
>>>
>>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:43:03 -0700, jay  wrote:
>>> > Some questions to those installing  fortress power.
>>> >
>>> > 1. has anyone installed them in a closed loop comm and if so, which
>>> > inverter
>>> >
>>> > 2. it doesn’t appear that there is any online or app for
>>> > communication/monitoring?
>>> >
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Re: [RE-wrenches] fortress power question

[Chris Sparadeo]

Hi Jay,

Yes, when installed in a closed loop configuration, the Sol Ark uses the
SOC% provided by the BMS...which can be used to control the AGS.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 1:58 PM Jay  wrote:

> Thx Chris.
>
> Does the sol ark use the % info from the batteries for ags operation?
>
> Jay
>
> On Feb 1, 2021, at 10:10 AM, Chris Sparadeo 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Jay,
>
> I have installed the eFlex paired with Sol Ark and it was very straight
> forward. You need to make a modified RJ45 cable, but other than that, it’s
> pretty much plug and play. I believe that Fortress is still working on
> their WiFi monitoring for the eFlex...They say the eVault will be closed
> loop by Q2.
>
> -Chris
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 11:56 AM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
> offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:
>
>> Jay,
>>
>> I worked with them on the XW to close the loop. They did get it working
>> with Eflex and it is easy to commission. However, they were not able to
>> get
>> the conext insight data out to the cloud totally implemented. Until they
>> prove that to me, I will stay with Discover AES. The site at the bottom
>> showing state of charge is an AES battery BTW.
>>
>>
>> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>> "we go where powerlines don't"
>> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
>> e-mail offgridso...@sti.net
>> text 209 813 0060
>>
>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:43:03 -0700, jay  wrote:
>> > Some questions to those installing  fortress power.
>> >
>> > 1. has anyone installed them in a closed loop comm and if so, which
>> > inverter
>> >
>> > 2. it doesn’t appear that there is any online or app for
>> > communication/monitoring?
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Re: [RE-wrenches] fortress power question

[Jay]

Thx Chris. 

Does the sol ark use the % info from the batteries for ags operation?

Jay

> On Feb 1, 2021, at 10:10 AM, Chris Sparadeo  wrote:
> 
> 
> Jay,
> 
> I have installed the eFlex paired with Sol Ark and it was very straight 
> forward. You need to make a modified RJ45 cable, but other than that, it’s 
> pretty much plug and play. I believe that Fortress is still working on their 
> WiFi monitoring for the eFlex...They say the eVault will be closed loop by 
> Q2. 
> 
> -Chris 
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 11:56 AM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
>>  wrote:
>> Jay,
>> 
>> I worked with them on the XW to close the loop. They did get it working
>> with Eflex and it is easy to commission. However, they were not able to get
>> the conext insight data out to the cloud totally implemented. Until they
>> prove that to me, I will stay with Discover AES. The site at the bottom
>> showing state of charge is an AES battery BTW.
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>> "we go where powerlines don't"
>> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
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>> text 209 813 0060
>> 
>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:43:03 -0700, jay  wrote:
>> > Some questions to those installing  fortress power.
>> > 
>> > 1. has anyone installed them in a closed loop comm and if so, which
>> > inverter
>> > 
>> > 2. it doesn’t appear that there is any online or app for
>> > communication/monitoring?
>> > 
>> > thx
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Re: [RE-wrenches] fortress power question

[Chris Sparadeo]

Jay,

I have installed the eFlex paired with Sol Ark and it was very straight
forward. You need to make a modified RJ45 cable, but other than that, it’s
pretty much plug and play. I believe that Fortress is still working on
their WiFi monitoring for the eFlex...They say the eVault will be closed
loop by Q2.

-Chris

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 11:56 AM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
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> Jay,
>
> I worked with them on the XW to close the loop. They did get it working
> with Eflex and it is easy to commission. However, they were not able to get
> the conext insight data out to the cloud totally implemented. Until they
> prove that to me, I will stay with Discover AES. The site at the bottom
> showing state of charge is an AES battery BTW.
>
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> On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:43:03 -0700, jay  wrote:
> > Some questions to those installing  fortress power.
> >
> > 1. has anyone installed them in a closed loop comm and if so, which
> > inverter
> >
> > 2. it doesn’t appear that there is any online or app for
> > communication/monitoring?
> >
> > thx
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Re: [RE-wrenches] fortress power question

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar]

Jay,

I worked with them on the XW to close the loop. They did get it working
with Eflex and it is easy to commission. However, they were not able to get
the conext insight data out to the cloud totally implemented. Until they
prove that to me, I will stay with Discover AES. The site at the bottom
showing state of charge is an AES battery BTW.


Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
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On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:43:03 -0700, jay  wrote:
> Some questions to those installing  fortress power.
> 
> 1. has anyone installed them in a closed loop comm and if so, which
> inverter
> 
> 2. it doesn’t appear that there is any online or app for
> communication/monitoring?
> 
> thx
> jay
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[RE-wrenches] fortress power question

[jay]

Some questions to those installing  fortress power.

1. has anyone installed them in a closed loop comm and if so, which inverter

2. it doesn’t appear that there is any online or app for 
communication/monitoring?

thx
jay
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[RE-wrenches] Fortress LFP batteries

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar]

 Anyone have any comments on Fortress LFP batteries please? 

I already
know that they do not integrate directly with Outback and Schneider. One
must use a battery monitor. 

I believe that the Fortress battery does not
have a display for Soc, could be wrong. 

Thank-you!  

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