Re: [RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Jason Szumlanski 
This all seems to greatly advantage "ac battery" systems like the Powerwall
and AC Coupling of PV when it comes to codes and standards.

Jason Szumlanski
Florida Solar Design Group


On Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 3:37 PM Eric Smiley  wrote:

> Sol-Ark says it has UL9540 with Simpli-Phi
> https://www.sol-ark.com/battery-partners/
>
> You should ask for documentation.
>
> NFPA 855 and the new electrical code rules are going to change the
> off-grid market drastically.
> Not only do you need the inverter and battery certified to work together
> per UL9540, the charge controller has to be part of the system too -
> mixing MidNite, Morningstar, Outback, Magnum, Schneider, Victron, etc.
> components will likely be verboten.
> To make it more confusing, only one manufacturer - either the inverter/PCU
> manufacturer or the battery manufacturer gets the UL9540 listing for the
> combination.
>
> Also, there are apparently no NRTL agencies that are equipped or prepared
> to certify lead acid batteries right now.
>
> The size/threshold limitations in NFPA 855 may pose some problems as well,
> since exceeding them either requires UL 9540A cell level certifications,
> which few if any battery manufacturers have yet, or I've been told they can
> be exceeded if a fire propagation study is conducted on site. But I have no
> idea who would be qualified to do that or how much it would cost.
> So, it looks like 1 and 2 family dwellings will be limited to 80 kWh of
> energy storage if located in attached or detached garages and 40 kWh if in
> utility closets, storage spaces, etc. So, ~800 Ah at ~50V appears to be the
> limit. And using lead acid batteries seems to be in limbo.
>
> We are struggling with understanding the implications in Canada as well.
> As North America harmonizes standards, UL9540 and UL1973 are actually
> ANSI/CAN/UL standards and thus apply in both countries.
>
> In a nutshell: the inverter/charge controller is listed to UL1741, the
> battery to UL1973, and the combination to UL9540.
>
> Outback systems are UL9540 with SimpiPhi.
> Schneider Conext systems are UL9540 with Discover
> Magnum doesn't appear to have any UL9540 battery partners
> Sol-Ark has a long list on their website.
>
>
> *Eric Smiley,* Project Manager
> e...@vecoop.ca
> T: 250.703.6004 <+12507036004>
> T: 888.386.0116 <+18883860116>
> *VIRIDIANENERGY.CA *
>
> * *
>
>
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 at 11:05, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
> offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like California Loren?
>>
>> I use Schneider and they have UL9540 certs.
>>
>> Here is a link to them and yes I have been asked this locally.
>>
>>
>> https://solar.schneider-electric.com/schneider-electric-solar-and-discover-battery-attain-ul-9540-certification-for-xw-pro-and-aes-batteries/
>>
>>
>>
>> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>> "we go where powerlines don't"
>> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ 
>> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net 
>> text 209 813 0060*
>>
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 10:22:43 -0700, Lorenzo Ortiz 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Wrenches,
>>
>> We have recently had an AHJ reject our Solark 12k system with Simpliphi
>> batteries stating:
>> *"Energy storage systems are required to be listed per UL 9540 per NEC
>> 706.5 (See also Annex A in the NEC, under energy storage systems). The
>> Sol-Ark system is not listed and tested per UL 9540 but is only listed per
>> UL 1741. The complete system (ie. batteries, inverter, and any other
>> components associated with the energy storage system) must be listed per UL
>> 9540. Please provide documentation and certification sheets (from a
>> Nationally Recognized Testing Lab (NRTL)) for both the batteries and SolArk
>> inverter to show that all components are tested and certified per UL 9540.
>> If it cannot be shown that the batteries are tested and listed with SolArk
>> inverters per UL 9540, then such system cannot be installed and a different
>> system that is listed and tested per UL 9540 must be chosen for the
>> project.*
>>
>> Have any of you run into this with Solark? Is the plans-checker in the
>> wrong about the entire system needing to meet the standard and not just the
>> batteries? The code language is kind of confusing. I can't find any
>> documentation on Solark's website regarding UL 9540. I know Tesla and
>> Simpliphi have recently put out documentation regarding this.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>
>> --
>>[image: California Solar Electric Cooperative]
>> 
>>
>>
>> Loren Ortiz - Technical Design Specialist
>>
>> Board Member & Worker Owner
>>
>> lo...@cal-solar.com  | www.cal-solar.coop
>>
>> Office: (530) 274-3671
>>
>> Fax: (530) 477-7571  CSLB #779624
>>
>> Showroom: 149 E Main St. Grass Valley, CA 95945
>> [image: NABCEP] 
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Darryl Thayer 
Hi all, my experiance, is a Lead Acid battery is acceptable under 480
Storage Batteries.  480 is the older article and Lead Acid has been used
with great success particularly under 48 volts with no outside disconnect
required. 480.7(A)

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 2:37 PM Eric Smiley  wrote:

> Sol-Ark says it has UL9540 with Simpli-Phi
> https://www.sol-ark.com/battery-partners/
>
> You should ask for documentation.
>
> NFPA 855 and the new electrical code rules are going to change the
> off-grid market drastically.
> Not only do you need the inverter and battery certified to work together
> per UL9540, the charge controller has to be part of the system too -
> mixing MidNite, Morningstar, Outback, Magnum, Schneider, Victron, etc.
> components will likely be verboten.
> To make it more confusing, only one manufacturer - either the inverter/PCU
> manufacturer or the battery manufacturer gets the UL9540 listing for the
> combination.
>
> Also, there are apparently no NRTL agencies that are equipped or prepared
> to certify lead acid batteries right now.
>
> The size/threshold limitations in NFPA 855 may pose some problems as well,
> since exceeding them either requires UL 9540A cell level certifications,
> which few if any battery manufacturers have yet, or I've been told they can
> be exceeded if a fire propagation study is conducted on site. But I have no
> idea who would be qualified to do that or how much it would cost.
> So, it looks like 1 and 2 family dwellings will be limited to 80 kWh of
> energy storage if located in attached or detached garages and 40 kWh if in
> utility closets, storage spaces, etc. So, ~800 Ah at ~50V appears to be the
> limit. And using lead acid batteries seems to be in limbo.
>
> We are struggling with understanding the implications in Canada as well.
> As North America harmonizes standards, UL9540 and UL1973 are actually
> ANSI/CAN/UL standards and thus apply in both countries.
>
> In a nutshell: the inverter/charge controller is listed to UL1741, the
> battery to UL1973, and the combination to UL9540.
>
> Outback systems are UL9540 with SimpiPhi.
> Schneider Conext systems are UL9540 with Discover
> Magnum doesn't appear to have any UL9540 battery partners
> Sol-Ark has a long list on their website.
>
>
> *Eric Smiley,* Project Manager
> e...@vecoop.ca
> T: 250.703.6004 <+12507036004>
> T: 888.386.0116 <+18883860116>
> *VIRIDIANENERGY.CA *
>
> * *
>
>
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 at 11:05, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
> offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like California Loren?
>>
>> I use Schneider and they have UL9540 certs.
>>
>> Here is a link to them and yes I have been asked this locally.
>>
>>
>> https://solar.schneider-electric.com/schneider-electric-solar-and-discover-battery-attain-ul-9540-certification-for-xw-pro-and-aes-batteries/
>>
>>
>>
>> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>> "we go where powerlines don't"
>> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ 
>> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net 
>> text 209 813 0060*
>>
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 10:22:43 -0700, Lorenzo Ortiz 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Wrenches,
>>
>> We have recently had an AHJ reject our Solark 12k system with Simpliphi
>> batteries stating:
>> *"Energy storage systems are required to be listed per UL 9540 per NEC
>> 706.5 (See also Annex A in the NEC, under energy storage systems). The
>> Sol-Ark system is not listed and tested per UL 9540 but is only listed per
>> UL 1741. The complete system (ie. batteries, inverter, and any other
>> components associated with the energy storage system) must be listed per UL
>> 9540. Please provide documentation and certification sheets (from a
>> Nationally Recognized Testing Lab (NRTL)) for both the batteries and SolArk
>> inverter to show that all components are tested and certified per UL 9540.
>> If it cannot be shown that the batteries are tested and listed with SolArk
>> inverters per UL 9540, then such system cannot be installed and a different
>> system that is listed and tested per UL 9540 must be chosen for the
>> project.*
>>
>> Have any of you run into this with Solark? Is the plans-checker in the
>> wrong about the entire system needing to meet the standard and not just the
>> batteries? The code language is kind of confusing. I can't find any
>> documentation on Solark's website regarding UL 9540. I know Tesla and
>> Simpliphi have recently put out documentation regarding this.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>
>> --
>>[image: California Solar Electric Cooperative]
>> 
>>
>>
>> Loren Ortiz - Technical Design Specialist
>>
>> Board Member & Worker Owner
>>
>> lo...@cal-solar.com  | www.cal-solar.coop
>>
>> Office: (530) 274-3671
>>
>> Fax: (530) 477-7571  CSLB #779624
>>
>> Showroom: 149 E Main St. Grass Valley, CA 95945
>> [image: NABCEP] 
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Bill Hennessy 
Hi Lorenzo--Simpliphi's website has a a blurb about their batteries being 9540 
listed with Sol-Ark. Here's the link:
SimpliPhi AccESS Sol-Ark integrated energy storage & management

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SimpliPhi AccESS Sol-Ark integrated energy storage & management

SimpliPhi your power with AccESS to a fully integrated energy storage & 
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Maybe the paperwork is in the mail.
As a side note, we did two Sol-Arks with Simpliphi last year and it works fine. 
Sol-Ark has recently added a generator test start function to its firmware. The 
system 15kW generator starts and runs for 20 minutes every Monday morning. The 
system remains grid-tied, so the genny is getting no load exercise.

regards, bill

Bill Hennessy
Berks Solar, LLC
371 Centennial Rd
Mertztown, PA 19539

o 610 682 4300
c 484 560 4666
NABCEP certified installer
PA contractor #44411
www.berkssolar.com 

 

Bill Hennessy
Berks Solar, LLC
371 Centennial Rd
Mertztown, PA 19539

o 610 682 4300
c 484 560 4666
NABCEP certified installer
PA contractor #44411
www.berkssolar.com 

On Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 1:23:26 PM EDT, Lorenzo Ortiz 
 wrote:  
 
 Wrenches,
We have recently had an AHJ reject our Solark 12k system with Simpliphi 
batteries stating:"Energy storage systems are required to be listed per UL 9540 
per NEC 706.5 (See also Annex A in the NEC, under energy storage systems). The 
Sol-Ark system is not listed and tested per UL 9540 but is only listed per UL 
1741. The complete system (ie. batteries, inverter, and any other components 
associated with the energy storage system) must be listed per UL 9540. Please 
provide documentation and certification sheets (from a Nationally Recognized 
Testing Lab (NRTL)) for both the batteries and SolArk inverter to show that all 
components are tested and certified per UL 9540. If it cannot be shown that the 
batteries are tested and listed with SolArk inverters per UL 9540, then such 
system cannot be installed and a different system that is listed and tested per 
UL 9540 must be chosen for the project.
Have any of you run into this with Solark? Is the plans-checker in the wrong 
about the entire system needing to meet the standard and not just the 
batteries? The code language is kind of confusing. I can't find any 
documentation on Solark's website regarding UL 9540. I know Tesla and Simpliphi 
have recently put out documentation regarding this.
Thanks in advance for your help.

-- 
       
Loren Ortiz - Technical Design Specialist

Board Member & Worker Owner

lo...@cal-solar.com  | www.cal-solar.coop

Office: (530) 274-3671  

Fax: (530) 477-7571  CSLB #779624

Showroom: 149 E Main St. Grass Valley, CA 95945 
      




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Re: [RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Eric Smiley 
Sol-Ark says it has UL9540 with Simpli-Phi
https://www.sol-ark.com/battery-partners/

You should ask for documentation.

NFPA 855 and the new electrical code rules are going to change the off-grid
market drastically.
Not only do you need the inverter and battery certified to work together
per UL9540, the charge controller has to be part of the system too -
mixing MidNite, Morningstar, Outback, Magnum, Schneider, Victron, etc.
components will likely be verboten.
To make it more confusing, only one manufacturer - either the inverter/PCU
manufacturer or the battery manufacturer gets the UL9540 listing for the
combination.

Also, there are apparently no NRTL agencies that are equipped or prepared
to certify lead acid batteries right now.

The size/threshold limitations in NFPA 855 may pose some problems as well,
since exceeding them either requires UL 9540A cell level certifications,
which few if any battery manufacturers have yet, or I've been told they can
be exceeded if a fire propagation study is conducted on site. But I have no
idea who would be qualified to do that or how much it would cost.
So, it looks like 1 and 2 family dwellings will be limited to 80 kWh of
energy storage if located in attached or detached garages and 40 kWh if in
utility closets, storage spaces, etc. So, ~800 Ah at ~50V appears to be the
limit. And using lead acid batteries seems to be in limbo.

We are struggling with understanding the implications in Canada as well. As
North America harmonizes standards, UL9540 and UL1973 are actually
ANSI/CAN/UL standards and thus apply in both countries.

In a nutshell: the inverter/charge controller is listed to UL1741, the
battery to UL1973, and the combination to UL9540.

Outback systems are UL9540 with SimpiPhi.
Schneider Conext systems are UL9540 with Discover
Magnum doesn't appear to have any UL9540 battery partners
Sol-Ark has a long list on their website.


*Eric Smiley,* Project Manager
e...@vecoop.ca
T: 250.703.6004 <+12507036004>
T: 888.386.0116 <+18883860116>
*VIRIDIANENERGY.CA *

* *


On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 at 11:05, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:

> Sounds like California Loren?
>
> I use Schneider and they have UL9540 certs.
>
> Here is a link to them and yes I have been asked this locally.
>
>
> https://solar.schneider-electric.com/schneider-electric-solar-and-discover-battery-attain-ul-9540-certification-for-xw-pro-and-aes-batteries/
>
>
>
> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
> "we go where powerlines don't"
> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ 
> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net 
> text 209 813 0060*
>
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 10:22:43 -0700, Lorenzo Ortiz 
> wrote:
>
> Wrenches,
>
> We have recently had an AHJ reject our Solark 12k system with Simpliphi
> batteries stating:
> *"Energy storage systems are required to be listed per UL 9540 per NEC
> 706.5 (See also Annex A in the NEC, under energy storage systems). The
> Sol-Ark system is not listed and tested per UL 9540 but is only listed per
> UL 1741. The complete system (ie. batteries, inverter, and any other
> components associated with the energy storage system) must be listed per UL
> 9540. Please provide documentation and certification sheets (from a
> Nationally Recognized Testing Lab (NRTL)) for both the batteries and SolArk
> inverter to show that all components are tested and certified per UL 9540.
> If it cannot be shown that the batteries are tested and listed with SolArk
> inverters per UL 9540, then such system cannot be installed and a different
> system that is listed and tested per UL 9540 must be chosen for the
> project.*
>
> Have any of you run into this with Solark? Is the plans-checker in the
> wrong about the entire system needing to meet the standard and not just the
> batteries? The code language is kind of confusing. I can't find any
> documentation on Solark's website regarding UL 9540. I know Tesla and
> Simpliphi have recently put out documentation regarding this.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> --
>[image: California Solar Electric Cooperative]
> 
>
>
> Loren Ortiz - Technical Design Specialist
>
> Board Member & Worker Owner
>
> lo...@cal-solar.com  | www.cal-solar.coop
>
> Office: (530) 274-3671
>
> Fax: (530) 477-7571  CSLB #779624
>
> Showroom: 149 E Main St. Grass Valley, CA 95945
> [image: NABCEP] 
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Mac Lewis 
Yes, NEC is vague on this but we have seen this as well.  I think you may
need a *Simpliphi Access* cabinet like this to get the listing:
https://simpliphipower.com/product/access-phi-sol-ark/

This is UL listed to 9540 even though its probably very similar to what you
have designed.

Unfortunately, this takes away quite a bit of the design freedom that is
necessary for robust designs for all of the different needs our clients
have.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 12:05 PM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:

> Sounds like California Loren?
>
> I use Schneider and they have UL9540 certs.
>
> Here is a link to them and yes I have been asked this locally.
>
>
> https://solar.schneider-electric.com/schneider-electric-solar-and-discover-battery-attain-ul-9540-certification-for-xw-pro-and-aes-batteries/
>
>
>
> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
> "we go where powerlines don't"
> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ 
> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net 
> text 209 813 0060*
>
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 10:22:43 -0700, Lorenzo Ortiz 
> wrote:
>
> Wrenches,
>
> We have recently had an AHJ reject our Solark 12k system with Simpliphi
> batteries stating:
> *"Energy storage systems are required to be listed per UL 9540 per NEC
> 706.5 (See also Annex A in the NEC, under energy storage systems). The
> Sol-Ark system is not listed and tested per UL 9540 but is only listed per
> UL 1741. The complete system (ie. batteries, inverter, and any other
> components associated with the energy storage system) must be listed per UL
> 9540. Please provide documentation and certification sheets (from a
> Nationally Recognized Testing Lab (NRTL)) for both the batteries and SolArk
> inverter to show that all components are tested and certified per UL 9540.
> If it cannot be shown that the batteries are tested and listed with SolArk
> inverters per UL 9540, then such system cannot be installed and a different
> system that is listed and tested per UL 9540 must be chosen for the
> project.*
>
> Have any of you run into this with Solark? Is the plans-checker in the
> wrong about the entire system needing to meet the standard and not just the
> batteries? The code language is kind of confusing. I can't find any
> documentation on Solark's website regarding UL 9540. I know Tesla and
> Simpliphi have recently put out documentation regarding this.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> --
>[image: California Solar Electric Cooperative]
> 
>
>
> Loren Ortiz - Technical Design Specialist
>
> Board Member & Worker Owner
>
> lo...@cal-solar.com  | www.cal-solar.coop
>
> Office: (530) 274-3671
>
> Fax: (530) 477-7571  CSLB #779624
>
> Showroom: 149 E Main St. Grass Valley, CA 95945
> [image: NABCEP] 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Brian Mehalic 
Simpliphi has at least two combinations of specific batteries + SolArk that it 
says are 9540 listed as a combination. See spec sheets/fully integrated systems 
on their site  You may have to dig further to find the actual certificates or 
whatever the AHJ is asking for. Or maybe these aren’t the combinations you’re 
looking for. 

Brian

> On Jul 20, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sounds like California Loren?
> 
> I use Schneider and they have UL9540 certs.
> 
> Here is a link to them and yes I have been asked this locally.
> 
> https://solar.schneider-electric.com/schneider-electric-solar-and-discover-battery-attain-ul-9540-certification-for-xw-pro-and-aes-batteries/
> 
>  
> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
> "we go where powerlines don't"
> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net
> text 209 813 0060
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 10:22:43 -0700, Lorenzo Ortiz  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Wrenches,
>>  
>> We have recently had an AHJ reject our Solark 12k system with Simpliphi 
>> batteries stating:
>> "Energy storage systems are required to be listed per UL 9540 per NEC 706.5 
>> (See also Annex A in the NEC, under energy storage systems). The Sol-Ark 
>> system is not listed and tested per UL 9540 but is only listed per UL 1741. 
>> The complete system (ie. batteries, inverter, and any other components 
>> associated with the energy storage system) must be listed per UL 9540. 
>> Please provide documentation and certification sheets (from a Nationally 
>> Recognized Testing Lab (NRTL)) for both the batteries and SolArk inverter to 
>> show that all components are tested and certified per UL 9540. If it cannot 
>> be shown that the batteries are tested and listed with SolArk inverters per 
>> UL 9540, then such system cannot be installed and a different system that is 
>> listed and tested per UL 9540 must be chosen for the project.
>>  
>> Have any of you run into this with Solark? Is the plans-checker in the wrong 
>> about the entire system needing to meet the standard and not just the 
>> batteries? The code language is kind of confusing. I can't find any 
>> documentation on Solark's website regarding UL 9540. I know Tesla and 
>> Simpliphi have recently put out documentation regarding this.
>>  
>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>  
>> -- 
>>   
>>  
>> Loren Ortiz - Technical Design Specialist
>> Board Member & Worker Owner
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>> Office: (530) 274-3671  
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Lorenzo Ortiz 
Yessir, good old California...

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 11:05 AM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:

> Sounds like California Loren?
>
> I use Schneider and they have UL9540 certs.
>
> Here is a link to them and yes I have been asked this locally.
>
>
> https://solar.schneider-electric.com/schneider-electric-solar-and-discover-battery-attain-ul-9540-certification-for-xw-pro-and-aes-batteries/
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> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 10:22:43 -0700, Lorenzo Ortiz 
> wrote:
>
> Wrenches,
>
> We have recently had an AHJ reject our Solark 12k system with Simpliphi
> batteries stating:
> *"Energy storage systems are required to be listed per UL 9540 per NEC
> 706.5 (See also Annex A in the NEC, under energy storage systems). The
> Sol-Ark system is not listed and tested per UL 9540 but is only listed per
> UL 1741. The complete system (ie. batteries, inverter, and any other
> components associated with the energy storage system) must be listed per UL
> 9540. Please provide documentation and certification sheets (from a
> Nationally Recognized Testing Lab (NRTL)) for both the batteries and SolArk
> inverter to show that all components are tested and certified per UL 9540.
> If it cannot be shown that the batteries are tested and listed with SolArk
> inverters per UL 9540, then such system cannot be installed and a different
> system that is listed and tested per UL 9540 must be chosen for the
> project.*
>
> Have any of you run into this with Solark? Is the plans-checker in the
> wrong about the entire system needing to meet the standard and not just the
> batteries? The code language is kind of confusing. I can't find any
> documentation on Solark's website regarding UL 9540. I know Tesla and
> Simpliphi have recently put out documentation regarding this.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 


Sounds like California Loren? 

I use Schneider and they have UL9540
certs. 

Here is a link to them and yes I have been asked this locally.


https://solar.schneider-electric.com/schneider-electric-solar-and-discover-battery-attain-ul-9540-certification-for-xw-pro-and-aes-batteries/
 

Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where powerlines
don't"
http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ [1]
e-mail offgridso...@sti.net
[2]
text 209 813 0060

On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 10:22:43 -0700, Lorenzo Ortiz 
wrote:  Wrenches,   We have recently had an AHJ reject our Solark 12k
system with Simpliphi batteries stating: _"Energy storage systems are
required to be listed per UL 9540 per NEC 706.5 (See also Annex A in the
NEC, under energy storage systems). THE SOL-ARK SYSTEM IS NOT LISTED AND
TESTED PER UL 9540 BUT IS ONLY LISTED PER UL 1741. THE COMPLETE SYSTEM (IE.
BATTERIES, INVERTER, AND ANY OTHER COMPONENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ENERGY
STORAGE SYSTEM) MUST BE LISTED PER UL 9540. Please provide documentation
and certification sheets (from a Nationally Recognized Testing Lab (NRTL))
for both the batteries and SolArk inverter to show that all components are
tested and certified per UL 9540. If it cannot be shown that the batteries
are tested and listed with SolArk inverters per UL 9540, then such system
cannot be installed and a different system that is listed and tested per UL
9540 must be chosen for the project._ _ _ Have any of you run into this
with Solark? Is the plans-checker in the wrong about the entire system
needing to meet the standard and not just the batteries? The code language
is kind of confusing. I can't find any documentation on Solark's website
regarding UL 9540. I know Tesla and Simpliphi have recently put out
documentation regarding this.   Thanks in advance for your help.
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[RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Lorenzo Ortiz 
Wrenches,

We have recently had an AHJ reject our Solark 12k system with Simpliphi
batteries stating:
*"Energy storage systems are required to be listed per UL 9540 per NEC
706.5 (See also Annex A in the NEC, under energy storage systems). The
Sol-Ark system is not listed and tested per UL 9540 but is only listed per
UL 1741. The complete system (ie. batteries, inverter, and any other
components associated with the energy storage system) must be listed per UL
9540. Please provide documentation and certification sheets (from a
Nationally Recognized Testing Lab (NRTL)) for both the batteries and SolArk
inverter to show that all components are tested and certified per UL 9540.
If it cannot be shown that the batteries are tested and listed with SolArk
inverters per UL 9540, then such system cannot be installed and a different
system that is listed and tested per UL 9540 must be chosen for the
project.*

Have any of you run into this with Solark? Is the plans-checker in the
wrong about the entire system needing to meet the standard and not just the
batteries? The code language is kind of confusing. I can't find any
documentation on Solark's website regarding UL 9540. I know Tesla and
Simpliphi have recently put out documentation regarding this.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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