Re: [RE-wrenches] Old and new Radian
I have at least (3) 8048’s with mates and hubs along with a slew of OB cc’s and OB 3 shelf battery “boxes” that are all functional. Contact off list. Jeremy Coxon NABCEP Certified MWBE Sent from my iPhone ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Old and new Radian
Component parts become unavailable, the engineering to make backward compatibles, the liability, and time spent in support can make a company unprofitable. Often the secondary market will step up if there is enough demand. This is nothing new BTW. You have to be in business to do business. Shareholders insist on it! . 02 Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ e-mail offgridso...@sti.net text 209 813 0060 On 2023-05-11 5:10 am, frenergy via RE-wrenches wrote: Michael, That's rather dis-heartening if boards are no longer available for a 10 year old product. Got a long day out of town today but will ruminate on responses. Bill Feather River Solar Electric Bill Battagin, Owner 4291 Nelson St.(shipping) 5575 Genesee Rd. (USPS, UPS) Taylorsville, CA 95983 530.284.1925 Office/ 530.258.1641 Cell CA Lic 874049 Solar powered since 1982 On 5/10/2023 6:48 PM, Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches wrote: I just pulled out an 8048 and replaced it with a 8048A due to the lack of AC boards for 8048s. I didn't know any better and put in a new 8048A board and learned the hard way that they aren't cross compatible. Smoked it. If you think you can find a board for it, it's yours. On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 11:06 AM Darryl Thayer via RE-wrenches wrote: Sorry if this is nonsense, but your existing Radian is your "AC grid source," It can act as the paralleling. AC coupling source. I did this about 20 to 30 years ago, using FX inverters, not Radians, to power a large motor. Can your Radian Mate 3 run in grid zero? Or if not, one inverter runs all the time as a grid source ( grid forming) the second inverter (grid following) runs in Grid-Zero mode, with "off-set" set at 30 Amps. If the load is less than 30 amps, the grid-following inverter carries the load. (The grid-forming inverter supplies the grid signal, and the following inverter carries the load.) When your load exceeds 30 amps, the extra current comes from the grid-forming inverter. The Radian can pass up to 50 or 60 amps from the forming inverter. You can get 50 to 60 amps to the load when you add the forming and following inverters. Errors: this will double your parasitic load, I have not done this so beware. This is not the answer for V2H; other inverters can work in this combination but On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 10:04 AM frenergy via RE-wrenches wrote: The wrench list has some very creative thinkers that may have a go around to be able to master/slave an old Radian's output with a new one. Outback says this is not do-able. We're completely off-grid out here and have been charging EVs (one at a time) with an eleven year old Radian (GS8048) for years but the Ford Lightning is on its way. Outback says I can't add the newer GS8048A to exiting version (no "A"). Ideas?? Bill Feather River Solar Electric Bill Battagin, Owner 4291 Nelson St.(shipping) 5575 Genesee Rd. (USPS, UPS) Taylorsville, CA 95983 530.284.1925 Office/ 530.258.1641 Cell CA Lic 874049 Solar powered since 1982 -- Michael Morningstar Morningstar Electric PO Box 1494 Mount Shasta, CA 96067 530-921-0560 mjmornings...@gmail.com ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org -- [1] Virus-free.www.avast.com [1] ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org Links: -- [1] https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=emailutm_source=linkutm_campaign=sig-emailutm_content=emailclient___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings:
Re: [RE-wrenches] Old and new Radian
Michael, That's rather dis-heartening if boards are no longer available for a 10 year old product. Got a long day out of town today but will ruminate on responses. Bill Feather River Solar Electric Bill Battagin, Owner 4291 Nelson St.(shipping) 5575 Genesee Rd. (USPS, UPS) Taylorsville, CA 95983 530.284.1925 Office/ 530.258.1641 Cell CA Lic 874049 Solar powered since 1982 On 5/10/2023 6:48 PM, Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches wrote: I just pulled out an 8048 and replaced it with a 8048A due to the lack of AC boards for 8048s. I didn't know any better and put in a new 8048A board and learned the hard way that they aren't cross compatible. Smoked it. If you think you can find a board for it, it's yours. On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 11:06 AM Darryl Thayer via RE-wrenches wrote: Sorry if this is nonsense, but your existing Radian is your "AC grid source," It can act as the paralleling. AC coupling source. I did this about 20 to 30 years ago, using FX inverters, not Radians, to power a large motor. Can your Radian Mate 3 run in grid zero? Or if not, one inverter runs all the time as a grid source ( grid forming) the second inverter (grid following) runs in Grid-Zero mode, with "off-set" set at 30 Amps. If the load is less than 30 amps, the grid-following inverter carries the load. (The grid-forming inverter supplies the grid signal, and the following inverter carries the load.) When your load exceeds 30 amps, the extra current comes from the grid-forming inverter. The Radian can pass up to 50 or 60 amps from the forming inverter. You can get 50 to 60 amps to the load when you add the forming and following inverters. Errors: this will double your parasitic load, I have not done this so beware. This is not the answer for V2H; other inverters can work in this combination but On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 10:04 AM frenergy via RE-wrenches wrote: The wrench list has some very creative thinkers that may have a go around to be able to master/slave an old Radian's output with a new one. Outback says this is not do-able. We're completely off-grid out here and have been charging EVs (one at a time) with an eleven year old Radian (GS8048) for years but the Ford Lightning is on its way. Outback says I can't add the newer GS8048A to exiting version (no "A"). Ideas?? Bill Feather River Solar Electric Bill Battagin, Owner 4291 Nelson St.(shipping) 5575 Genesee Rd. (USPS, UPS) Taylorsville, CA 95983 530.284.1925 Office/ 530.258.1641 Cell CA Lic 874049 Solar powered since 1982 -- Michael Morningstar Morningstar Electric PO Box 1494 Mount Shasta, CA 96067 530-921-0560 mjmornings...@gmail.com ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here:http://re-wrenches.org List Address:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org -- -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Old and new Radian
I just pulled out an 8048 and replaced it with a 8048A due to the lack of AC boards for 8048s. I didn't know any better and put in a new 8048A board and learned the hard way that they aren't cross compatible. Smoked it. If you think you can find a board for it, it's yours. On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 11:06 AM Darryl Thayer via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > Sorry if this is nonsense, but your existing Radian is your "AC grid > source," It can act as the paralleling. > AC coupling source. I did this about 20 to 30 years ago, using FX > inverters, not Radians, to power a large motor. > Can your Radian Mate 3 run in grid zero? Or if not, one inverter runs all > the time as a grid source ( grid forming) > the second inverter (grid following) runs in Grid-Zero mode, with > "off-set" set at 30 Amps. If the load is less than 30 amps, > the grid-following inverter carries the load. (The grid-forming inverter > supplies the grid signal, and the following inverter > carries the load.) When your load exceeds 30 amps, the extra current > comes from the grid-forming inverter. The Radian can > pass up to 50 or 60 amps from the forming inverter. You can get 50 to 60 > amps > to the load when you add the forming and following inverters. Errors: > this will double your parasitic load, I have not done this > so beware. This is not the answer for V2H; other inverters can work in > this combination but > > > On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 10:04 AM frenergy via RE-wrenches < > re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > >> The wrench list has some very creative thinkers that may have a >> go around to be able to master/slave an old Radian's output with a new >> one. Outback says this is not do-able. We're completely off-grid out >> here and have been charging EVs (one at a time) with an eleven year old >> Radian (GS8048) for years but the Ford Lightning is on its way. Outback >> says I can't add the newer GS8048A to exiting version (no "A"). >> >> Ideas?? >> >> Bill >> >> Feather River Solar Electric >> Bill Battagin, Owner >> 4291 Nelson St.(shipping) >> 5575 Genesee Rd. (USPS, UPS) >> Taylorsville, CA 95983 >> 530.284.1925 Office/ 530.258.1641 Cell >> CA Lic 874049 >> Solar powered since 1982 >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> ___ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the >> other: >> https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out or update participant bios: >> http://www.members.re-wrenches.org >> >> ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the > other: > https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > http://www.members.re-wrenches.org > > -- Michael Morningstar Morningstar Electric PO Box 1494 Mount Shasta, CA 96067 530-921-0560 mjmornings...@gmail.com ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Old and new Radian
Sorry if this is nonsense, but your existing Radian is your "AC grid source," It can act as the paralleling. AC coupling source. I did this about 20 to 30 years ago, using FX inverters, not Radians, to power a large motor. Can your Radian Mate 3 run in grid zero? Or if not, one inverter runs all the time as a grid source ( grid forming) the second inverter (grid following) runs in Grid-Zero mode, with "off-set" set at 30 Amps. If the load is less than 30 amps, the grid-following inverter carries the load. (The grid-forming inverter supplies the grid signal, and the following inverter carries the load.) When your load exceeds 30 amps, the extra current comes from the grid-forming inverter. The Radian can pass up to 50 or 60 amps from the forming inverter. You can get 50 to 60 amps to the load when you add the forming and following inverters. Errors: this will double your parasitic load, I have not done this so beware. This is not the answer for V2H; other inverters can work in this combination but On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 10:04 AM frenergy via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > The wrench list has some very creative thinkers that may have a > go around to be able to master/slave an old Radian's output with a new > one. Outback says this is not do-able. We're completely off-grid out > here and have been charging EVs (one at a time) with an eleven year old > Radian (GS8048) for years but the Ford Lightning is on its way. Outback > says I can't add the newer GS8048A to exiting version (no "A"). > > Ideas?? > > Bill > > Feather River Solar Electric > Bill Battagin, Owner > 4291 Nelson St.(shipping) > 5575 Genesee Rd. (USPS, UPS) > Taylorsville, CA 95983 > 530.284.1925 Office/ 530.258.1641 Cell > CA Lic 874049 > Solar powered since 1982 > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the > other: > https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > http://www.members.re-wrenches.org > > ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Old and new Radian
What about replacing the AC board? > On May 10, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Maverick Brown via RE-wrenches > wrote: > > You could find a used not a version of the Radian to Parallel. > > Or you could make the new a version, the master, and only inverter on your > main electrical panel and use the old not a version as your generator battery > charger and off grid vehicle charger tied to the same existing battery bank. > The downside of this technique is that you’ll need a new additional hub and a > new additional mate. The upside is you can marry the two mates together in > one system on OpticsRE . > > Thank you, > > Maverick > > >> On May 10, 2023, at 10:05 AM, frenergy via RE-wrenches >> wrote: >> >> The wrench list has some very creative thinkers that may have a go >> around to be able to master/slave an old Radian's output with a new one. >> Outback says this is not do-able. We're completely off-grid out here and >> have been charging EVs (one at a time) with an eleven year old Radian >> (GS8048) for years but the Ford Lightning is on its way. Outback says I >> can't add the newer GS8048A to exiting version (no "A"). >> >> Ideas?? >> >> Bill >> >> Feather River Solar Electric >> Bill Battagin, Owner >> 4291 Nelson St.(shipping) >> 5575 Genesee Rd. (USPS, UPS) >> Taylorsville, CA 95983 >> 530.284.1925 Office/ 530.258.1641 Cell >> CA Lic 874049 >> Solar powered since 1982 >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> ___ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the >> other: >> https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out or update participant bios: >> http://www.members.re-wrenches.org >> > > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the > other: > https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > http://www.members.re-wrenches.org > > Tump > mailto:t...@swnl.net%22%20%5Co%20%22blocked::mailto:t...@swnl.net>3...@gmail.com >www.SWNL.net > http://www.swnl.net/%22%20%5Co%20%22blocked::http://www.swnl.net/> > Solarwinds Northernlights >Serving Mid Coast Maine & Northern California > 207-832-7574 Cl. 610-517-8401 > > Blair "TUMP" May > MAINE'S CHARTER > NABCEP"Certified PV Installer" > > MAINE'S CHARTER > Trace Xantrex "Certified" Dealer / Installer" > ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Old and new Radian
You could find a used not a version of the Radian to Parallel. Or you could make the new a version, the master, and only inverter on your main electrical panel and use the old not a version as your generator battery charger and off grid vehicle charger tied to the same existing battery bank. The downside of this technique is that you’ll need a new additional hub and a new additional mate. The upside is you can marry the two mates together in one system on OpticsRE . Thank you, Maverick > On May 10, 2023, at 10:05 AM, frenergy via RE-wrenches > wrote: > > The wrench list has some very creative thinkers that may have a go > around to be able to master/slave an old Radian's output with a new one. > Outback says this is not do-able. We're completely off-grid out here and > have been charging EVs (one at a time) with an eleven year old Radian > (GS8048) for years but the Ford Lightning is on its way. Outback says I > can't add the newer GS8048A to exiting version (no "A"). > > Ideas?? > > Bill > > Feather River Solar Electric > Bill Battagin, Owner > 4291 Nelson St.(shipping) > 5575 Genesee Rd. (USPS, UPS) > Taylorsville, CA 95983 > 530.284.1925 Office/ 530.258.1641 Cell > CA Lic 874049 > Solar powered since 1982 > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the > other: > https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > http://www.members.re-wrenches.org > ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
[RE-wrenches] Old and new Radian
The wrench list has some very creative thinkers that may have a go around to be able to master/slave an old Radian's output with a new one. Outback says this is not do-able. We're completely off-grid out here and have been charging EVs (one at a time) with an eleven year old Radian (GS8048) for years but the Ford Lightning is on its way. Outback says I can't add the newer GS8048A to exiting version (no "A"). Ideas?? Bill Feather River Solar Electric Bill Battagin, Owner 4291 Nelson St.(shipping) 5575 Genesee Rd. (USPS, UPS) Taylorsville, CA 95983 530.284.1925 Office/ 530.258.1641 Cell CA Lic 874049 Solar powered since 1982 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
