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Re: [RE-wrenches] Batteries and Working Spaces

2021-03-27 Thread Chris Worcester

I have seen a fold up rolling scaffold assembly that would make a maintenance 
platform solution for you. They're about 3'×6'×6' tall +/- fold up when not in 
use, sell it as  part of the system. Chris Worcester 
chris@solarwindworks.com530-448-9692Sent from my Samsung Galaxy s9.
 Original message From: Jason Szumlanski 
 Date: 3/27/21  8:12 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: 
RE-wrenches  Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] 
Batteries and Working Spaces Not an option.  Limited garage space. On Sat, Mar 
27, 2021, 3:01 AM Chris Worcester  wrote:Can you add 
a catwalk with handrails in front of it for maintenance?Chris Worcester 
chris@solarwindworks.com530-448-9692Sent from my Samsung Galaxy s9. 
Original message From: Jason Szumlanski 
 Date: 3/26/21  12:41 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: 
RE-wrenches  Subject: [RE-wrenches] 
Batteries and Working Spaces I am planning a battery backup system using 
Fortress 18.5kWh eVaults. Due to flood level requirements, these are going to 
need to be mounted about 48 inches above the garage floor on a shelf/platform. 
That puts the tops of the battery cabinets well above 6'7". But I believe that 
these do not fall under the working space requirements of NEC 110.26 since they 
are not likely to require maintenance. In fact, could these be mounted even 
higher, say way up near the 14' ceiling (subject to manufacturer spacing 
requirements)? Can anyone see any code problems with this approach, putting 
aside the practical problems with mounting heavy battery cabinets well above 
grade?Jason SzumlanskiFlorida Solar Desing Group
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Batteries and Working Spaces

2021-03-27 Thread Glenn Burt

Can you lay them on their sides?-GlennSent from my 'smart'phone, so please 
excuse typos and spelling errors.-- Original message--From: Jason 
SzumlanskiDate: Sat, Mar 27, 2021 11:12 AMTo: RE-wrenches;Cc: Subject:Re: 
[RE-wrenches] Batteries and Working SpacesThat's problematic I think. I guess 
the next question would be, if I need to keep this breaker at 6'7", I don't see 
that being accessible be someone standing in front of it anyway without a 
portable ladder, so what height IS acceptable?Also, maybe I don't need to mount 
the whole battery above the flood level. Maybe just exposed live parts need to 
be that high. If that's the case, would that just be the tops?JasonOn Fri, Mar 
26, 2021, 7:13 PM Chris Sparadeo  wrote:Hi Jason,There 
is a 250A breaker located inside a compartment on the top of the unit. Keeping 
that reasonably accessible would be important. Also, just out of curiosity, how 
are you planning of getting these battery cabinets onto their 4’
 platform? Forklift? Ramp? On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 3:40 PM Jason Szumlanski 
 wrote:I am planning a battery backup system 
using Fortress 18.5kWh eVaults. Due to flood level requirements, these are 
going to need to be mounted about 48 inches above the garage floor on a 
shelf/platform. That puts the tops of the battery cabinets well above 6'7". But 
I believe that these do not fall under the working space requirements of NEC 
110.26 since they are not likely to require maintenance. In fact, could these 
be mounted even higher, say way up near the 14' ceiling (subject to 
manufacturer spacing requirements)? Can anyone see any code problems with this 
approach, putting aside the practical problems with mounting heavy battery 
cabinets well above grade?Jason SzumlanskiFlorida Solar Desing Group
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Batteries and Working Spaces

2021-03-27 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar



I would ask Fortress about the heights!  

If this was offgrid and not
inspected, I would have signage indicating there is a battery breaker/disco
above this sign. If that breaker is tripped, I would think other things may
be wrong and only qualified people should re-energize the breaker. That may
need to be on the sign. If this is salt water, blowing water may have
already done permanent damage.  

The higher you go up to the ceiling, the
harder it will be to keep the battery from getting too hot, especially in a
garage. This is logged for battery warranty!  

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On Sat, 27 Mar 2021
06:36:44 -0400, Jason Szumlanski  wrote:  That's problematic I think. I
guess the next question would be, if I need to keep this breaker at 6'7", I
don't see that being accessible be someone standing in front of it anyway
without a portable ladder, so what height IS acceptable?   Also, maybe I
don't need to mount the whole battery above the flood level. Maybe just
exposed live parts need to be that high. If that's the case, would that
just be the tops?   Jason  
  On Fri, Mar 26, 2021, 7:13 PM Chris Sparadeo 
wrote:  Hi Jason,   There is a 250A breaker located inside a compartment on
the top of the unit. Keeping that reasonably accessible would be important.
  Also, just out of curiosity, how are you planning of getting these
battery cabinets onto their 4' platform? Forklift? Ramp?  
  On Fri, Mar
26, 2021 at 3:40 PM Jason Szumlanski  wrote: I am planning a battery
backup system using Fortress 18.5kWh eVaults. Due to flood level
requirements, these are going to need to be mounted about 48 inches above
the garage floor on a shelf/platform. That puts the tops of the battery
cabinets well above 6'7". But I believe that these do not fall under the
working space requirements of NEC 110.26 since they are not likely to
require maintenance. In fact, could these be mounted even higher, say way
up near the 14' ceiling (subject to manufacturer spacing requirements)?   
Can anyone see any code problems with this approach, putting aside the
practical problems with mounting heavy battery cabinets well above grade?  
Jason Szumlanski Florida Solar Desing Group   
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Batteries and Working Spaces

2021-03-27 Thread Chris Sparadeo

I have been inside the eVault cabinet and there are exposed terminals
starting about 1/3 of the way up the unit. Not a very water resistant
enclosure, with a loose fitting cowling.

The 250A breaker is only accessible by taking out  6 screws and removing
the top compartment cover.

Good news is their tech support is excellent. Perhaps they have a better
idea of where “live parts” begin.

techsupp...@fortresspower.com

On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 11:12 AM Jason Szumlanski <
ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote:

> Not an option.  Limited garage space.
>
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 3:01 AM Chris Worcester 
> wrote:
>
>> Can you add a catwalk with handrails in front of it for maintenance?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Worcester
>> ch...@solarwindworks.com
>> 530-448-9692
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy s9.
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Jason Szumlanski 
>> Date: 3/26/21 12:41 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: RE-wrenches 
>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Batteries and Working Spaces
>>
>> I am planning a battery backup system using Fortress 18.5kWh eVaults. Due
>> to flood level requirements, these are going to need to be mounted about 48
>> inches above the garage floor on a shelf/platform. That puts the tops of
>> the battery cabinets well above 6'7". But I believe that these do not fall
>> under the working space requirements of NEC 110.26 since they are not
>> likely to require maintenance. In fact, could these be mounted even higher,
>> say way up near the 14' ceiling (subject to manufacturer spacing
>> requirements)?
>>
>> Can anyone see any code problems with this approach, putting aside the
>> practical problems with mounting heavy battery cabinets well above grade?
>>
>> Jason Szumlanski
>> Florida Solar Desing Group
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Batteries and Working Spaces

2021-03-27 Thread Jason Szumlanski

Not an option.  Limited garage space.

On Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 3:01 AM Chris Worcester 
wrote:

> Can you add a catwalk with handrails in front of it for maintenance?
>
>
>
> Chris Worcester
> ch...@solarwindworks.com
> 530-448-9692
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy s9.
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Jason Szumlanski 
> Date: 3/26/21 12:41 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: RE-wrenches 
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Batteries and Working Spaces
>
> I am planning a battery backup system using Fortress 18.5kWh eVaults. Due
> to flood level requirements, these are going to need to be mounted about 48
> inches above the garage floor on a shelf/platform. That puts the tops of
> the battery cabinets well above 6'7". But I believe that these do not fall
> under the working space requirements of NEC 110.26 since they are not
> likely to require maintenance. In fact, could these be mounted even higher,
> say way up near the 14' ceiling (subject to manufacturer spacing
> requirements)?
>
> Can anyone see any code problems with this approach, putting aside the
> practical problems with mounting heavy battery cabinets well above grade?
>
> Jason Szumlanski
> Florida Solar Desing Group
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>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Batteries and Working Spaces

2021-03-27 Thread Jason Szumlanski

That's problematic I think. I guess the next question would be, if I need
to keep this breaker at 6'7", I don't see that being accessible be someone
standing in front of it anyway without a portable ladder, so what height IS
acceptable?

Also, maybe I don't need to mount the whole battery above the flood level.
Maybe just exposed live parts need to be that high. If that's the case,
would that just be the tops?

Jason

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021, 7:13 PM Chris Sparadeo  wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>
> There is a 250A breaker located inside a compartment on the top of the
> unit. Keeping that reasonably accessible would be important.
>
> Also, just out of curiosity, how are you planning of getting these battery
> cabinets onto their 4’ platform? Forklift? Ramp?
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 3:40 PM Jason Szumlanski <
> ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote:
>
>> I am planning a battery backup system using Fortress 18.5kWh eVaults. Due
>> to flood level requirements, these are going to need to be mounted about 48
>> inches above the garage floor on a shelf/platform. That puts the tops of
>> the battery cabinets well above 6'7". But I believe that these do not fall
>> under the working space requirements of NEC 110.26 since they are not
>> likely to require maintenance. In fact, could these be mounted even higher,
>> say way up near the 14' ceiling (subject to manufacturer spacing
>> requirements)?
>>
>> Can anyone see any code problems with this approach, putting aside the
>> practical problems with mounting heavy battery cabinets well above grade?
>>
>> Jason Szumlanski
>> Florida Solar Desing Group
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Batteries and Working Spaces

2021-03-27 Thread Chris Worcester

Can you add a catwalk with handrails in front of it for maintenance?Chris 
Worcester chris@solarwindworks.com530-448-9692Sent from my Samsung Galaxy s9.
 Original message From: Jason Szumlanski 
 Date: 3/26/21  12:41 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: 
RE-wrenches  Subject: [RE-wrenches] 
Batteries and Working Spaces I am planning a battery backup system using 
Fortress 18.5kWh eVaults. Due to flood level requirements, these are going to 
need to be mounted about 48 inches above the garage floor on a shelf/platform. 
That puts the tops of the battery cabinets well above 6'7". But I believe that 
these do not fall under the working space requirements of NEC 110.26 since they 
are not likely to require maintenance. In fact, could these be mounted even 
higher, say way up near the 14' ceiling (subject to manufacturer spacing 
requirements)? Can anyone see any code problems with this approach, putting 
aside the practical problems with mounting heavy battery cabinets well above 
grade?Jason SzumlanskiFlorida Solar Desing Group
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Batteries and Working Spaces

2021-03-26 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar



Earthquake safety requirements in CA. Probably not an issue in Florida.
Ask your building department!  

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On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 19:08:18
-0400, Chris Sparadeo  wrote:  Hi Jason,   There is a 250A breaker located
inside a compartment on the top of the unit. Keeping that reasonably
accessible would be important.Also, just out of curiosity, how are you
planning of getting these battery cabinets onto their 4' platform?
Forklift? Ramp?  
  On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 3:40 PM Jason Szumlanski 
wrote: I am planning a battery backup system using Fortress 18.5kWh
eVaults. Due to flood level requirements, these are going to need to be
mounted about 48 inches above the garage floor on a shelf/platform. That
puts the tops of the battery cabinets well above 6'7". But I believe that
these do not fall under the working space requirements of NEC 110.26 since
they are not likely to require maintenance. In fact, could these be mounted
even higher, say way up near the 14' ceiling (subject to manufacturer
spacing requirements)?Can anyone see any code problems with this
approach, putting aside the practical problems with mounting heavy battery
cabinets well above grade?   Jason Szumlanski Florida Solar Desing Group   
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Batteries and Working Spaces

2021-03-26 Thread Chris Sparadeo

Hi Jason,

There is a 250A breaker located inside a compartment on the top of the
unit. Keeping that reasonably accessible would be important.

Also, just out of curiosity, how are you planning of getting these battery
cabinets onto their 4’ platform? Forklift? Ramp?

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 3:40 PM Jason Szumlanski <
ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote:

> I am planning a battery backup system using Fortress 18.5kWh eVaults. Due
> to flood level requirements, these are going to need to be mounted about 48
> inches above the garage floor on a shelf/platform. That puts the tops of
> the battery cabinets well above 6'7". But I believe that these do not fall
> under the working space requirements of NEC 110.26 since they are not
> likely to require maintenance. In fact, could these be mounted even higher,
> say way up near the 14' ceiling (subject to manufacturer spacing
> requirements)?
>
> Can anyone see any code problems with this approach, putting aside the
> practical problems with mounting heavy battery cabinets well above grade?
>
> Jason Szumlanski
> Florida Solar Desing Group
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