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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-21 Thread Jason Szumlanski

I discovered last year that there is a process for formal and informal
interpretations from Florida's Building Officials Association (BOAF) and
BOs are obligated and strongly encouraged, respectively, to follow their
opinions. The process takes a little time but has proven to be very
effective. If your state has one, I would encourage you to get familiar
with the process.

We recently had a ruling in our favor in less than 30 days for use of Romex
in the attic for AC microinverter circuits and also to omit labeling on
these circuits. Essentially it asked if 690.31(E) (2011) applied to
inverter output circuits. An "overzealous" plans review and inspector was
causing us headaches. The BO, who happened to be on the association board
but for a different discipline, gladly accepted the informal interpretation
in our favor before it was even published and directed his reviewers and
inspectors to approve our request!

Jason Szumlanski
Florida Solar Design Group


On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Dana <d...@solarwork.com> wrote:

> Hey Ray,
>
> I completely agree with you. I had an inspector in CO that was know in the
> early days of solar among the manufacturers as that SOB in CO.
>
> I finally called his supervisor after several failed meetings where I felt
> fairly sure that I was interpreting on the side of safety and the code. His
> supervisor agreed with me & I got a call from the inspector asking why I
> called his boss & why couldn’t we have discussed this?
>
>
>
> I replied that I had tried. We had a completely positive relationship
> after that call. It turns out his home life was hell, he had a drinking
> problem, and his teenage daughter was pregnant. He turned a corner after
> that and a few years later retired. He is a happier man today.
>
>
>
> People can change, and it is one of the hardest things we all endure.
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
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> *From:* RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> *On
> Behalf Of *Ray
> *Sent:* Friday, April 20, 2018 1:01 PM
>
> *To:* re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff
>
>
>
> I've dealt with tough inspectors in many jurisdictions.  I seem to spend
> 50% of my time doing education.  I do not just take the AHJs word as gospel
> and blindly follow.  I meet with them, sit down with the code and we work
> it out.  I am not afraid to question or protest a decision.  After a few
> years, the inspectors know I'm not trying to get away with sub standard
> work, and that we all want the installation to be done right.
>
> -Ray
>
>
>
> On 4/20/18 12:38 PM, cwarfel wrote:
>
> It's just not Idaho. I was just asked about NEC PV interpretation for a
> large city on the East coast. Same problem. Narrowly (and incorrectly)
> interpreting the grounding requirements.
>
> It's probably nervous inspectors who feel their neck is on the line, and
> are interpreting defensively thinking that is the safest thing for them to
> do. We have taught a lot of Code officials and they really feel exposed
> when it comes to PV.
>
> The key to me is just taking time, if the Building Official has it, to go
> over the NEC sections and their relevance. It has to be made understandable
> and easy. These people are suppose to approve everything from house wiring
> to appliances to pools, to anything that requires a permit. It is just too
> much for almost everyone to understand completely. Look at all the
> questions we have with 690 and 705 alone
> Chris.
>
> On 4/20/2018 1:28 PM, Dana wrote:
>
> Reasonable inspector, here? You have no idea.
>
> The plans examiner is the first link in the process here in Idaho, he is;
> by the book, crossing t’s & dotting I’s and has a very strict & narrow
> interpretation of the code. That said he is very helpful and a nice guy.
> It’s an Idaho thing.
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
>
> *C - 208.721

Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-20 Thread Ray

I've dealt with tough inspectors in many jurisdictions.  I seem to spend 
50% of my time doing education.  I do not just take the AHJs word as 
gospel and blindly follow.  I meet with them, sit down with the code and 
we work it out.  I am not afraid to question or protest a decision.  
After a few years, the inspectors know I'm not trying to get away with 
sub standard work, and that we all want the installation to be done right.


-Ray


On 4/20/18 12:38 PM, cwarfel wrote:
It's just not Idaho. I was just asked about NEC PV interpretation for 
a large city on the East coast. Same problem. Narrowly (and 
incorrectly) interpreting the grounding requirements.


It's probably nervous inspectors who feel their neck is on the line, 
and are interpreting defensively thinking that is the safest thing for 
them to do. We have taught a lot of Code officials and they really 
feel exposed when it comes to PV.


The key to me is just taking time, if the Building Official has it, to 
go over the NEC sections and their relevance. It has to be made 
understandable and easy. These people are suppose to approve 
everything from house wiring to appliances to pools, to anything that 
requires a permit. It is just too much for almost everyone to 
understand completely. Look at all the questions we have with 690 and 
705 alone

Chris.


On 4/20/2018 1:28 PM, Dana wrote:


Reasonable inspector, here? You have no idea.

The plans examiner is the first link in the process here in Idaho, he 
is; by the book, crossing t’s & dotting I’s and has a very strict & 
narrow interpretation of the code. That said he is very helpful and a 
nice guy. It’s an Idaho thing.




Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.

*C - 208.721.7003 d...@solarwork.com*

Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374

NABCEP # 051112-136 www.solarwork.biz <http://www.solarwork.biz>

_"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" ___

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*From:*RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> *On 
Behalf Of *cwarfel

*Sent:* Friday, April 20, 2018 9:23 AM
*To:* re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
*Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

I just got back from being out of the office for a week+ and just 
read a few of these. I hope this is not redundant.


6AWG is the size that meets several tests for exposed installations. 
By that I mean that it is not protected. If you are running the array 
EGC exposed, you would use at least 6AWG depending upon the size of 
the overcurrent protection device towards the charge controller/array 
disconnect. 250.120(C) and T250.122.


We have run into the conductor covering rating problem too. #4 can be 
color coded so you can use black conductor. A reasonable inspector 
should allow this for 6 since a lot of the non black coverings are 
not holding up as well to sunlight as black.  I think NEC2017 takes 
this into consideration and allows you to color code because of the 
superior performance of black coverings.


Chris

On 4/20/2018 9:00 AM, Dana wrote:

That makes two of us that would like to understand, why #6? I think it 
dates to early grounding with grid tie systems.

I remember back to 20+ years ago when the code required that the EGC was 
the size of the largest conductor which with 24 volt inverters was .



Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.

C - 208.721.7003d...@solarwork.com <mailto:d...@solarwork.com>

Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374

NABCEP # 051112-136www.solarwork.biz <http://www.solarwork.biz>

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-Original Message-

From: RE-wrenches<re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>
<mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>  On Behalf Of Dave 
Angelini Offgrid Solar

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:57 PM

To: RE-wrenches<re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
<mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>

Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

  Dana, I understand the need to use #6 in exposed places on the earth. I 
have had inspectors require the same wire size that is used to the battery. I 
have had them require the same size as the array wiring. I have never seen them 
do what they are doing to you so thanks for the info  Be well!  --Dave

The bare #8 is an EGC for #10 USE PV wire on the tracker to the array

mounted combiner box.




Dana Orzel

Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-20 Thread cwarfel

It's just not Idaho. I was just asked about NEC PV interpretation for a 
large city on the East coast. Same problem. Narrowly (and incorrectly) 
interpreting the grounding requirements.


It's probably nervous inspectors who feel their neck is on the line, and 
are interpreting defensively thinking that is the safest thing for them 
to do. We have taught a lot of Code officials and they really feel 
exposed when it comes to PV.


The key to me is just taking time, if the Building Official has it, to 
go over the NEC sections and their relevance. It has to be made 
understandable and easy. These people are suppose to approve everything 
from house wiring to appliances to pools, to anything that requires a 
permit. It is just too much for almost everyone to understand 
completely. Look at all the questions we have with 690 and 705 alone

Chris.


On 4/20/2018 1:28 PM, Dana wrote:


Reasonable inspector, here? You have no idea.

The plans examiner is the first link in the process here in Idaho, he 
is; by the book, crossing t’s & dotting I’s and has a very strict & 
narrow interpretation of the code. That said he is very helpful and a 
nice guy. It’s an Idaho thing.




Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.

*C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com*

Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374

NABCEP # 051112-136 www.solarwork.biz <http://www.solarwork.biz>

_"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" ___

*P*Please consider the environment before printing this email.

*From:*RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> *On 
Behalf Of *cwarfel

*Sent:* Friday, April 20, 2018 9:23 AM
*To:* re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
*Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

I just got back from being out of the office for a week+ and just read 
a few of these. I hope this is not redundant.


6AWG is the size that meets several tests for exposed installations. 
By that I mean that it is not protected.  If you are running the array 
EGC exposed, you would use at least 6AWG depending upon the size of 
the overcurrent protection device towards the charge controller/array 
disconnect. 250.120(C) and T250.122.


We have run into the conductor covering rating problem too. #4 can be 
color coded so you can use black conductor. A reasonable inspector 
should allow this for 6 since a lot of the non black coverings are not 
holding up as well to sunlight as black.  I think NEC2017 takes this 
into consideration and allows you to color code because of the 
superior performance of black coverings.


Chris

On 4/20/2018 9:00 AM, Dana wrote:

That makes two of us that would like to understand, why #6? I think it 
dates to early grounding with grid tie systems.

I remember back to 20+ years ago when the code required that the EGC was 
the size of the largest conductor which with 24 volt inverters was .



Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.

C - 208.721.7003d...@solarwork.com <mailto:d...@solarwork.com>

Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374

NABCEP # 051112-136www.solarwork.biz <http://www.solarwork.biz>

"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"

P  Please consider the environment before printing this email.

-Original Message-

From: RE-wrenches<re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>
<mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>  On Behalf Of Dave 
Angelini Offgrid Solar

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:57 PM

To: RE-wrenches<re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
<mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>

Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

  Dana, I understand the need to use #6 in exposed places on the earth. I 
have had inspectors require the same wire size that is used to the battery. I 
have had them require the same size as the array wiring. I have never seen them 
do what they are doing to you so thanks for the info  Be well!  --Dave

The bare #8 is an EGC for #10 USE PV wire on the tracker to the array

mounted combiner box.




Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.

C - 208.721.7003d...@solarwork.com <mailto:d...@solarwork.com>

Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374

NABCEP # 051112-136www.solarwork.biz <http://www.solarwork.biz>

"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-20 Thread Ray

I have never seen any bare ground wire with a UL stamp on it. The 
braided strap we use is rated as 4 AWG.  Its also tinned, so its more 
corrosion resistant.  Further, I think everyone (including your 
inspector) needs to read 690.31(E); you'll see more flexible cables are 
required on trackers.  PV wire is acceptable.


-Ray



On 4/20/18 11:46 AM, Dana wrote:

Ray,
In Idaho if it does not have UL attached it is not acceptable. Personally I think this 
would be just fine & a step up maybe with a WEEB top & bottom involved.


Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374
NABCEP # 051112-136   www.solarwork.biz
"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"
 Please consider the environment before printing this email.


-Original Message-
From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> On Behalf Of Ray
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 5:05 PM
To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

On tracking arrays,  I have had both solid and stranded copper ground wire 
strain harden and break.  The cyclical motion will slowly work away at coarse 
cables. I've even seen solid #6 break off on just a tilt adjustable array. I 
now use a braided ground strap at least for the rack to pole ground connection. 
 This is the same strap that is used to ground generators and other moving 
electrical equipment.

https://www.delcity.net/store/Ground-Straps/p_818655.h_818654

I isolate it at the connection to the aluminum with a sandwich of Stainless fender 
washers and a 1/4" bolt with toothed lock washer to bite into the AL, or it also 
works well folded in ground Lugs and buss bars. You can open up the weave of the braided 
copper in the middle to get the 1/4" bolt through.  I've checked these years later: 
no corrosion, wire not broken off at the connector.

Ray


On 4/19/18 3:48 PM, Dana wrote:

The bare #8 is an EGC for #10 USE PV wire on the tracker to the array mounted 
combiner box.


Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374
NABCEP # 051112-136   www.solarwork.biz
"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"
 Please consider the environment before printing this email.


-Original Message-
From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> On
Behalf Of Hilton Dier
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:39 PM
To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

Would #8 meet code? I thought that exposed ground wire had to be #6 minimum.

Hilton Dier III
Renewable Energy Design
Missisquoi River Hydro LLC
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-20 Thread Dana

Ray,
In Idaho if it does not have UL attached it is not acceptable. Personally I 
think this would be just fine & a step up maybe with a WEEB top & bottom 
involved.

Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc. 
C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374
NABCEP # 051112-136   www.solarwork.biz
"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"  
 Please consider the environment before printing this email.

-Original Message-
From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> On Behalf Of Ray
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 5:05 PM
To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

On tracking arrays,  I have had both solid and stranded copper ground wire 
strain harden and break.  The cyclical motion will slowly work away at coarse 
cables. I've even seen solid #6 break off on just a tilt adjustable array. I 
now use a braided ground strap at least for the rack to pole ground connection. 
 This is the same strap that is used to ground generators and other moving 
electrical equipment.

https://www.delcity.net/store/Ground-Straps/p_818655.h_818654

I isolate it at the connection to the aluminum with a sandwich of Stainless 
fender washers and a 1/4" bolt with toothed lock washer to bite into the AL, or 
it also works well folded in ground Lugs and buss bars. You can open up the 
weave of the braided copper in the middle to get the 1/4" bolt through.  I've 
checked these years later: no corrosion, wire not broken off at the connector.

Ray

On 4/19/18 3:48 PM, Dana wrote:
> The bare #8 is an EGC for #10 USE PV wire on the tracker to the array mounted 
> combiner box.
>
> 
> Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
> C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
> Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374
> NABCEP # 051112-136   www.solarwork.biz
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> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Hilton Dier
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:39 PM
> To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff
>
> Would #8 meet code? I thought that exposed ground wire had to be #6 minimum.
>
> Hilton Dier III
> Renewable Energy Design
> Missisquoi River Hydro LLC
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-20 Thread cwarfel

I just got back from being out of the office for a week+ and just read a 
few ofthese. I hope this is not redundant.


6AWG is the size that meets several tests for exposed installations.By 
that I mean that it is not protected.  If you arerunning the array EGC 
exposed, you would use at least 6AWG depending upon the size of the 
overcurrent protection device towards the charge controller/array 
disconnect. 250.120(C) and T250.122.


We have run into the conductor covering rating problemtoo. #4 can be 
color coded so you can use black conductor. A reasonable inspector 
should allow this for 6 since a lot of the non black coverings are not 
holding up as well to sunlight as black.  I think NEC2017 takes this 
into consideration and allows you to color code because of the superior 
performance of black coverings.


Chris


On 4/20/2018 9:00 AM, Dana wrote:

That makes two of us that would like to understand, why #6? I think it dates to 
early grounding with grid tie systems.
I remember back to 20+ years ago when the code required that the EGC was the 
size of the largest conductor which with 24 volt inverters was .


Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374
NABCEP # 051112-136   www.solarwork.biz
"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"
 Please consider the environment before printing this email.


-Original Message-
From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> On Behalf Of Dave 
Angelini Offgrid Solar
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:57 PM
To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

  Dana, I understand the need to use #6 in exposed places on the earth. I have 
had inspectors require the same wire size that is used to the battery. I have 
had them require the same size as the array wiring. I have never seen them do 
what they are doing to you so thanks for the info  Be well!  --Dave

The bare #8 is an EGC for #10 USE PV wire on the tracker to the array
mounted combiner box.


Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374
NABCEP # 051112-136   www.solarwork.biz
"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"
ï Please consider the environment before printing this email.


-Original Message-
From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> On
Behalf Of Hilton Dier
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:39 PM
To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

Would #8 meet code? I thought that exposed ground wire had to be #6
minimum.

Hilton Dier III
Renewable Energy Design
Missisquoi River Hydro LLC
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-20 Thread Dana

That makes two of us that would like to understand, why #6? I think it dates to 
early grounding with grid tie systems.
I remember back to 20+ years ago when the code required that the EGC was the 
size of the largest conductor which with 24 volt inverters was .


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Angelini Offgrid Solar
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

 Dana, I understand the need to use #6 in exposed places on the earth. I have 
had inspectors require the same wire size that is used to the battery. I have 
had them require the same size as the array wiring. I have never seen them do 
what they are doing to you so thanks for the info  Be well!  --Dave
> The bare #8 is an EGC for #10 USE PV wire on the tracker to the array 
> mounted combiner box.
>
> 
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> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff
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> Would #8 meet code? I thought that exposed ground wire had to be #6 
> minimum.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-20 Thread Dana

For my array power & grounding drop, array to pole combiner, I use  #6 or 
#8-SOWA cord with [Chinese fingers] strain relief.


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From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> On Behalf Of Ray
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 5:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

On tracking arrays,  I have had both solid and stranded copper ground wire 
strain harden and break.  The cyclical motion will slowly work away at coarse 
cables. I've even seen solid #6 break off on just a tilt adjustable array. I 
now use a braided ground strap at least for the rack to pole ground connection. 
 This is the same strap that is used to ground generators and other moving 
electrical equipment.

https://www.delcity.net/store/Ground-Straps/p_818655.h_818654

I isolate it at the connection to the aluminum with a sandwich of Stainless 
fender washers and a 1/4" bolt with toothed lock washer to bite into the AL, or 
it also works well folded in ground Lugs and buss bars. You can open up the 
weave of the braided copper in the middle to get the 1/4" bolt through.  I've 
checked these years later: no corrosion, wire not broken off at the connector.

Ray


On 4/19/18 3:48 PM, Dana wrote:
> The bare #8 is an EGC for #10 USE PV wire on the tracker to the array mounted 
> combiner box.
>
> 
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> Behalf Of Hilton Dier
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> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff
>
> Would #8 meet code? I thought that exposed ground wire had to be #6 minimum.
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-19 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar

No failures here either, always #10 thhn strands and a few from the old
days (2001) that used marine wire at the pivot point! --Dave


>
>
> RayÂ I have never (yet) had a wire failure in any of my trackers, l have
> always used PVC flex tubing connected at both ends with a long line that
> at any given point does not move much. I mainly use zomeworks passive
> sonhle axes trackers but have done it the same way with array technologes
> dual axes unitsJerry
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>  Original message 
> From: Ray <r...@solarray.com>
> Date: 4/19/18  1:05 PM  (GMT-10:00)
> To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff
>
> On tracking arrays,Â  I have had both solid and stranded copper ground
> wire strain harden and break.Â  The cyclical motion will slowly work away
> at coarse cables. I've even seen solid #6 break off on just a tilt
> adjustable array. I now use a braided ground strap at least for the rack
> to pole ground connection.Â  This is the same strap that is used to
> ground generators and other moving electrical equipment.
>
> https://www.delcity.net/store/Ground-Straps/p_818655.h_818654
>
> I isolate it at the connection to the aluminum with a sandwich of
> Stainless fender washers and a 1/4" bolt with toothed lock washer to
> bite into the AL, or it also works well folded in ground Lugs and buss
> bars. You can open up the weave of the braided copper in the middle to
> get the 1/4" bolt through.Â  I've checked these years later: no
> corrosion, wire not broken off at the connector.
>
> Ray
>
>
> On 4/19/18 3:48 PM, Dana wrote:
>> The bare #8 is an EGC for #10 USE PV wire on the tracker to the array
>> mounted combiner box.
>>
>> 
>> Dana OrzelÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 
>> Great Solar Works, Inc.
>> C - 208.721.7003Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 
>> d...@solarwork.com
>> Idaho Contractor - # 028765Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Idaho PV # 028374
>> NABCEP # 051112-136Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 
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>> "Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"
>> ï Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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>>
>> -----Original Message-
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>> Of Hilton Dier
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:39 PM
>> To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff
>>
>> Would #8 meet code? I thought that exposed ground wire had to be #6
>> minimum.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-19 Thread jerrysgarage01



Ray I have never (yet) had a wire failure in any of my trackers, l have always 
used PVC flex tubing connected at both ends with a long line that at any given 
point does not move much. I mainly use zomeworks passive sonhle axes trackers 
but have done it the same way with array technologes dual axes unitsJerry


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message 
From: Ray <r...@solarray.com> 
Date: 4/19/18  1:05 PM  (GMT-10:00) 
To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff 

On tracking arrays,  I have had both solid and stranded copper ground 
wire strain harden and break.  The cyclical motion will slowly work away 
at coarse cables. I've even seen solid #6 break off on just a tilt 
adjustable array. I now use a braided ground strap at least for the rack 
to pole ground connection.  This is the same strap that is used to 
ground generators and other moving electrical equipment.

https://www.delcity.net/store/Ground-Straps/p_818655.h_818654

I isolate it at the connection to the aluminum with a sandwich of 
Stainless fender washers and a 1/4" bolt with toothed lock washer to 
bite into the AL, or it also works well folded in ground Lugs and buss 
bars. You can open up the weave of the braided copper in the middle to 
get the 1/4" bolt through.  I've checked these years later: no 
corrosion, wire not broken off at the connector.

Ray


On 4/19/18 3:48 PM, Dana wrote:
> The bare #8 is an EGC for #10 USE PV wire on the tracker to the array mounted 
> combiner box.
>
> 
> Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
> C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
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> NABCEP # 051112-136   www.solarwork.biz
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>  Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> On Behalf Of 
> Hilton Dier
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:39 PM
> To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff
>
> Would #8 meet code? I thought that exposed ground wire had to be #6 minimum.
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-19 Thread Ray

On tracking arrays,  I have had both solid and stranded copper ground 
wire strain harden and break.  The cyclical motion will slowly work away 
at coarse cables. I've even seen solid #6 break off on just a tilt 
adjustable array. I now use a braided ground strap at least for the rack 
to pole ground connection.  This is the same strap that is used to 
ground generators and other moving electrical equipment.


https://www.delcity.net/store/Ground-Straps/p_818655.h_818654

I isolate it at the connection to the aluminum with a sandwich of 
Stainless fender washers and a 1/4" bolt with toothed lock washer to 
bite into the AL, or it also works well folded in ground Lugs and buss 
bars. You can open up the weave of the braided copper in the middle to 
get the 1/4" bolt through.  I've checked these years later: no 
corrosion, wire not broken off at the connector.


Ray


On 4/19/18 3:48 PM, Dana wrote:

The bare #8 is an EGC for #10 USE PV wire on the tracker to the array mounted 
combiner box.


Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374
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"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"
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From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> On Behalf Of 
Hilton Dier
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:39 PM
To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

Would #8 meet code? I thought that exposed ground wire had to be #6 minimum.

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-19 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar

 Dana, I understand the need to use #6 in exposed places on the earth. I
have had inspectors require the same wire size that is used to the
battery. I have had them require the same size as the array wiring. I
have never seen them do what they are doing to you so thanks for the
info  Be well!  --Dave
> The bare #8 is an EGC for #10 USE PV wire on the tracker to the array
> mounted combiner box.
>
> 
> Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
> C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
> Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374
> NABCEP # 051112-136   www.solarwork.biz
> "Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"
> ï Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> On Behalf Of
> Hilton Dier
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:39 PM
> To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff
>
> Would #8 meet code? I thought that exposed ground wire had to be #6
> minimum.
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-19 Thread Dana

The bare #8 is an EGC for #10 USE PV wire on the tracker to the array mounted 
combiner box.


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Subject: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

Would #8 meet code? I thought that exposed ground wire had to be #6 minimum. 

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-19 Thread Dana

Platt was the one who said I needed to order 10,000 LFT.

I have ordered & now received the insulated standoffs from Fastenal and will be 
running the #8 bare copper.

As always thanks everyone for your input time & efforts.

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From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> On Behalf Of Bill 
Hennessy
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 1:56 PM
To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

Dana,

There are probably some others, but you can buy #6 copper use-2 green online by 
the foot ($0.64) from 
https://www.wireandcableyourway.com/6-awg-xlp-use-2-rhh-rhw-2-building-wire.html

and Platt is selling #4 Al use-2 green for ($0.23) 
https://www.platt.com/platt-electric-supply/USE-Type-Aluminum/Multiple/4USEAGREX1000/product.aspx?zpid=69642

If you were buried with the 10,000 feet, folks would remember you as 
well-grounded.

Bill Hennessy
Berks Solar, LLC

  _  

From: Dana <d...@solarwork.com <mailto:d...@solarwork.com> >
To: 'RE-wrenches' <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org 
<mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > 
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

I have tried to find green #6 USE. #6 thhn & thhnw are not rated for sunlight 
as I have been informed. I have seen #6 USE in green offered but on inquiry it  
was only available if I purchased 10,000 Lft. When I pass on, I guess they 
could wrap me in it, electrify it & drop me in a hole someday down the road.

Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc. 
C - 208.721.7003  d...@solarwork.com 
<mailto:d...@solarwork.com> 
Idaho Contractor - # 028765Idaho PV # 028374
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-Original Message-
From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org 
<mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> > On Behalf Of 
MDElectricSolar
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:15 PM
To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org 
<mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> >
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

Or just thhn #6 ?

Michael D Nelson
MD Electric & Solar, Inc.
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707-884-1862 office
www.mdelectricsolar.com <http://www.mdelectricsolar.com> 
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> On Apr 18, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Benn Kilburn <b...@skyfireenergy.com 
> <mailto:b...@skyfireenergy.com> > wrote:
> 
> Dana,
> Why does it have to be bare copper? Can you not use a green insulated #6?
> 
> Benn Kilburn
> SkyFire Energy
> 780-906-7807
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
>> <offgridso...@sti.net <mailto:offgridso...@sti.net> > wrote:
>> 
>> Why is it #6? Usually the solar panels wire size determine Array Teks 
>> size for this wiring. What do they say please?  --Dave
>> 
>>> How about an insulated loop clamp like this one:
>>> https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0216763
>>> 
>>> You can get them in stainless and they have the rubber grommet so it 
>>> won't touch the rack.
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Dana <d...@solarwork.com 
>>>> <mailto:d...@solarwork.com> > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Good Morning Wrenches,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I am required to keep the bare #6 copper from touching the aluminum 
>>>> frame work of a Array Technologies tracker where it is not 
>>>> mechanically connected by a pass-through ground clamp on a tracking 
>>>> array [dissimilar metals] and am looking for a lead on an insulated 
>>>> standoff or strap to hold the #6 bare copper as it passes from 
>>>> panel to panel and rail to rail. The plans examiner would accept 
>>>> pass through clamps & thi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-19 Thread Bill Hennessy

Dana,
There are probably some others, but you can buy #6 copper use-2 green online by 
the foot ($0.64) from 
https://www.wireandcableyourway.com/6-awg-xlp-use-2-rhh-rhw-2-building-wire.html
and Platt is selling #4 Al use-2 green for ($0.23) 
https://www.platt.com/platt-electric-supply/USE-Type-Aluminum/Multiple/4USEAGREX1000/product.aspx?zpid=69642
If you were buried with the 10,000 feet, folks would remember you as 
well-grounded.
 Bill Hennessy
Berks Solar, LLC

  From: Dana <d...@solarwork.com>
 To: 'RE-wrenches' <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> 
 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 1:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

I have tried to find green #6 USE. #6 thhn & thhnw are not rated for sunlight 
as I have been informed. I have seen #6 USE in green offered but on inquiry it  
was only available if I purchased 10,000 Lft. When I pass on, I guess they 
could wrap me in it, electrify it & drop me in a hole someday down the road.

Dana Orzel                              Great Solar Works, Inc. 
C - 208.721.7003                      d...@solarwork.com
Idaho Contractor - # 028765        Idaho PV # 028374
NABCEP # 051112-136                      www.solarwork.biz
"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"  
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-Original Message-
From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> On Behalf Of 
MDElectricSolar
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:15 PM
To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

Or just thhn #6 ?

Michael D Nelson
MD Electric & Solar, Inc.
707-684-0064 mobile
707-884-1862 office
www.mdelectricsolar.com
www.facebook.com/mdelectricandsolar

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Benn Kilburn <b...@skyfireenergy.com> wrote:
> 
> Dana,
> Why does it have to be bare copper? Can you not use a green insulated #6?
> 
> Benn Kilburn
> SkyFire Energy
> 780-906-7807
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
>> <offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Why is it #6? Usually the solar panels wire size determine Array Teks 
>> size for this wiring. What do they say please?  --Dave
>> 
>>> How about an insulated loop clamp like this one:
>>> https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0216763
>>> 
>>> You can get them in stainless and they have the rubber grommet so it 
>>> won't touch the rack.
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Dana <d...@solarwork.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Good Morning Wrenches,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I am required to keep the bare #6 copper from touching the aluminum 
>>>> frame work of a Array Technologies tracker where it is not 
>>>> mechanically connected by a pass-through ground clamp on a tracking 
>>>> array [dissimilar metals] and am looking for a lead on an insulated 
>>>> standoff or strap to hold the #6 bare copper as it passes from 
>>>> panel to panel and rail to rail. The plans examiner would accept 
>>>> pass through clamps & this is a worst case-spendy solution to this.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I have searched the inquired at local electrical warehouse  the 
>>>> internet and to no avail under “insulated strap” & “insulated cable 
>>>> standoff”.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone else encountered his & what did you use? Where did you 
>>>> source this strap?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I remember seeing something like this in the fuzzy past & cannot 
>>>> recall where I saw it or what it was for.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dana Orzel                              Great Solar Works, Inc.
>>>> 
>>>> *C - 208.721.7003                      d...@solarwork.com
>>>> <d...@solarwork.com>*
>>>> 
>>>> Idaho Contractor - # 028765        Idaho PV # 028374
>>>> 
>>>> NABCEP # 051112-136                      www.solarwork.biz
>>>> 
>>>> *"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"  *
>>>> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-19 Thread Dana

I have tried to find green #6 USE. #6 thhn & thhnw are not rated for sunlight 
as I have been informed. I have seen #6 USE in green offered but on inquiry it  
was only available if I purchased 10,000 Lft. When I pass on, I guess they 
could wrap me in it, electrify it & drop me in a hole someday down the road.


Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc. 
C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374
NABCEP # 051112-136   www.solarwork.biz
"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"  
 Please consider the environment before printing this email.


-Original Message-
From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> On Behalf Of 
MDElectricSolar
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:15 PM
To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

Or just thhn #6 ?

Michael D Nelson
MD Electric & Solar, Inc.
707-684-0064 mobile
707-884-1862 office
www.mdelectricsolar.com
www.facebook.com/mdelectricandsolar


> On Apr 18, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Benn Kilburn <b...@skyfireenergy.com> wrote:
> 
> Dana,
> Why does it have to be bare copper? Can you not use a green insulated #6?
> 
> Benn Kilburn
> SkyFire Energy
> 780-906-7807
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
>> <offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Why is it #6? Usually the solar panels wire size determine Array Teks 
>> size for this wiring. What do they say please?  --Dave
>> 
>>> How about an insulated loop clamp like this one:
>>> https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0216763
>>> 
>>> You can get them in stainless and they have the rubber grommet so it 
>>> won't touch the rack.
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Dana <d...@solarwork.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Good Morning Wrenches,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I am required to keep the bare #6 copper from touching the aluminum 
>>>> frame work of a Array Technologies tracker where it is not 
>>>> mechanically connected by a pass-through ground clamp on a tracking 
>>>> array [dissimilar metals] and am looking for a lead on an insulated 
>>>> standoff or strap to hold the #6 bare copper as it passes from 
>>>> panel to panel and rail to rail. The plans examiner would accept 
>>>> pass through clamps & this is a worst case-spendy solution to this.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I have searched the inquired at local electrical warehouse  the 
>>>> internet and to no avail under “insulated strap” & “insulated cable 
>>>> standoff”.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone else encountered his & what did you use? Where did you 
>>>> source this strap?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I remember seeing something like this in the fuzzy past & cannot 
>>>> recall where I saw it or what it was for.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
>>>> 
>>>> *C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
>>>> <d...@solarwork.com>*
>>>> 
>>>> Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374
>>>> 
>>>> NABCEP # 051112-136   www.solarwork.biz
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> *P* Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-19 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar

A question on this thread for you folks. Have you seen or heard of anyone
building a single axis or dual tracker like the old Array Tek AZ 125 ?  I
really miss that tracker as it was on a 6 " pipe that I could install by
myself. The 8" is just too hard for me to do at this ripe age.

I could get 2KW on that 6 inch pole and very quickly give a huge positive
impact on an offgrid home.  Anything out there?

Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
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> That was my question as well.Â  USE -2 with green insulation is
> available.Â  Sorry to hear about AHJ's in Idaho being stuck over a decade
> back.Â  I thought that array grounding was UL listed and better spelled
> out now in NEC 2017.Â  What code cycle are you all on?
>
> Ray Walters
>
> Remote Solar
>
>
> On 4/18/18 6:24 PM, Benn Kilburn wrote:
>> Dana,
>> Why does it have to be bare copper? Can you not use a green insulated
>> #6?
>>
>> Benn Kilburn
>> SkyFire Energy
>> 780-906-7807
>>
>>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Why is it #6? Usually the solar panels wire size determine Array Teks
>>> size
>>> for this wiring. What do they say please?  --Dave
>>>
 How about an insulated loop clamp like this one:
 https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0216763

 You can get them in stainless and they have the rubber grommet so it
 won't
 touch the rack.

> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Dana  wrote:
>
> Good Morning Wrenches,
>
>
>
> I am required to keep the bare #6 copper from touching the aluminum
> frame
> work of a Array Technologies tracker where it is not mechanically
> connected
> by a pass-through ground clamp on a tracking array [dissimilar
> metals]
> and
> am looking for a lead on an insulated standoff or strap to hold the
> #6
> bare
> copper as it passes from panel to panel and rail to rail. The plans
> examiner would accept pass through clamps & this is a worst
> case-spendy
> solution to this.
>
>
>
> I have searched the inquired at local electrical warehouse  the
> internet and to no avail under âinsulated strapâ & âinsulated
> cable
> standoffâ.
>
>
>
> Has anyone else encountered his & what did you use? Where did you
> source
> this strap?
>
>
>
> I remember seeing something like this in the fuzzy past & cannot
> recall
> where I saw it or what it was for.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
>
> *C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
> *
>
> Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-19 Thread Mike Kocsmiersky

My quick thoughts would be using a sunlight resistant insulated wire, and 
stripping the insulation where needed to make the grounding connection.  Second 
would be to use a tinned copper wire, where I believe eliminates the galvanic 
corrosion / dissimilar metals issue, but perhaps not depending on the metals.  
I've always used for metal roof applications.

Mike Kocsmiersky
Principal
Spirit Solar Inc.
(413) 734-1456



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From: Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar [mailto:offgridso...@sti.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:59 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

Why is it #6? Usually the solar panels wire size determine Array Teks size
for this wiring. What do they say please?  --Dave

> How about an insulated loop clamp like this one:
> https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0216763
>
> You can get them in stainless and they have the rubber grommet so it won't
> touch the rack.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Dana <d...@solarwork.com> wrote:
>
>> Good Morning Wrenches,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am required to keep the bare #6 copper from touching the aluminum
>> frame
>> work of a Array Technologies tracker where it is not mechanically
>> connected
>> by a pass-through ground clamp on a tracking array [dissimilar metals]
>> and
>> am looking for a lead on an insulated standoff or strap to hold the #6
>> bare
>> copper as it passes from panel to panel and rail to rail. The plans
>> examiner would accept pass through clamps & this is a worst case-spendy
>> solution to this.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have searched the inquired at local electrical warehouse  the
>> internet and to no avail under â€œinsulated strapâ€ & â€œinsulated
>> cable
>> standoffâ€.
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone else encountered his & what did you use? Where did you source
>> this strap?
>>
>>
>>
>> I remember seeing something like this in the fuzzy past & cannot recall
>> where I saw it or what it was for.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
>>
>> *C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
>> <d...@solarwork.com>*
>>
>> Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374
>>
>> NABCEP # 051112-136   www.solarwork.biz
>>
>> *"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"  *
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-18 Thread Ray

That was my question as well.  USE -2 with green insulation is 
available.  Sorry to hear about AHJ's in Idaho being stuck over a decade 
back.  I thought that array grounding was UL listed and better spelled 
out now in NEC 2017.  What code cycle are you all on?


Ray Walters

Remote Solar


On 4/18/18 6:24 PM, Benn Kilburn wrote:

Dana,
Why does it have to be bare copper? Can you not use a green insulated #6?

Benn Kilburn
SkyFire Energy
780-906-7807


On Apr 18, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
 wrote:

Why is it #6? Usually the solar panels wire size determine Array Teks size
for this wiring. What do they say please?  --Dave


How about an insulated loop clamp like this one:
https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0216763

You can get them in stainless and they have the rubber grommet so it won't
touch the rack.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Dana  wrote:

Good Morning Wrenches,



I am required to keep the bare #6 copper from touching the aluminum
frame
work of a Array Technologies tracker where it is not mechanically
connected
by a pass-through ground clamp on a tracking array [dissimilar metals]
and
am looking for a lead on an insulated standoff or strap to hold the #6
bare
copper as it passes from panel to panel and rail to rail. The plans
examiner would accept pass through clamps & this is a worst case-spendy
solution to this.



I have searched the inquired at local electrical warehouse  the
internet and to no avail under “insulated strap” & “insulated
cable
standoff”.



Has anyone else encountered his & what did you use? Where did you source
this strap?



I remember seeing something like this in the fuzzy past & cannot recall
where I saw it or what it was for.



Thanks for any suggestions.






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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-18 Thread MDElectricSolar

Or just thhn #6 ?

Michael D Nelson
MD Electric & Solar, Inc.
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707-884-1862 office
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> On Apr 18, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Benn Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Dana, 
> Why does it have to be bare copper? Can you not use a green insulated #6?
> 
> Benn Kilburn
> SkyFire Energy
> 780-906-7807
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Why is it #6? Usually the solar panels wire size determine Array Teks size
>> for this wiring. What do they say please?  --Dave
>> 
>>> How about an insulated loop clamp like this one:
>>> https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0216763
>>> 
>>> You can get them in stainless and they have the rubber grommet so it won't
>>> touch the rack.
>>> 
 On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Dana  wrote:
 
 Good Morning Wrenches,
 
 
 
 I am required to keep the bare #6 copper from touching the aluminum
 frame
 work of a Array Technologies tracker where it is not mechanically
 connected
 by a pass-through ground clamp on a tracking array [dissimilar metals]
 and
 am looking for a lead on an insulated standoff or strap to hold the #6
 bare
 copper as it passes from panel to panel and rail to rail. The plans
 examiner would accept pass through clamps & this is a worst case-spendy
 solution to this.
 
 
 
 I have searched the inquired at local electrical warehouse  the
 internet and to no avail under “insulated strap” & “insulated
 cable
 standoff”.
 
 
 
 Has anyone else encountered his & what did you use? Where did you source
 this strap?
 
 
 
 I remember seeing something like this in the fuzzy past & cannot recall
 where I saw it or what it was for.
 
 
 
 Thanks for any suggestions.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
 
 *C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
 *
 
 Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374
 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-18 Thread Benn Kilburn

Dana, 
Why does it have to be bare copper? Can you not use a green insulated #6?

Benn Kilburn
SkyFire Energy
780-906-7807

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why is it #6? Usually the solar panels wire size determine Array Teks size
> for this wiring. What do they say please?  --Dave
> 
>> How about an insulated loop clamp like this one:
>> https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0216763
>> 
>> You can get them in stainless and they have the rubber grommet so it won't
>> touch the rack.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Dana  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good Morning Wrenches,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am required to keep the bare #6 copper from touching the aluminum
>>> frame
>>> work of a Array Technologies tracker where it is not mechanically
>>> connected
>>> by a pass-through ground clamp on a tracking array [dissimilar metals]
>>> and
>>> am looking for a lead on an insulated standoff or strap to hold the #6
>>> bare
>>> copper as it passes from panel to panel and rail to rail. The plans
>>> examiner would accept pass through clamps & this is a worst case-spendy
>>> solution to this.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have searched the inquired at local electrical warehouse  the
>>> internet and to no avail under “insulated strap” & “insulated
>>> cable
>>> standoff”.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Has anyone else encountered his & what did you use? Where did you source
>>> this strap?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I remember seeing something like this in the fuzzy past & cannot recall
>>> where I saw it or what it was for.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
>>> 
>>> *C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
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>>> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-18 Thread whitley forman

You should not have to run a EGC/GEC along the with Array Technologies. When I 
have installed these in the past we always mechanically bond within the 
bicinity of the conduit or box we are running our wiring through. No need to 
non-mechanically attach anywhere.
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Why is it #6? Usually the solar panels wire size determine Array Teks size
for this wiring. What do they say please?  --Dave

> How about an insulated loop clamp like this one:
> https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0216763
>
> You can get them in stainless and they have the rubber grommet so it won't
> touch the rack.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Dana <d...@solarwork.com> wrote:
>
>> Good Morning Wrenches,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am required to keep the bare #6 copper from touching the aluminum
>> frame
>> work of a Array Technologies tracker where it is not mechanically
>> connected
>> by a pass-through ground clamp on a tracking array [dissimilar metals]
>> and
>> am looking for a lead on an insulated standoff or strap to hold the #6
>> bare
>> copper as it passes from panel to panel and rail to rail. The plans
>> examiner would accept pass through clamps & this is a worst case-spendy
>> solution to this.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have searched the inquired at local electrical warehouse  the
>> internet and to no avail under ???insulated strap??? & ???insulated
>> cable
>> standoff???.
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone else encountered his & what did you use? Where did you source
>> this strap?
>>
>>
>>
>> I remember seeing something like this in the fuzzy past & cannot recall
>> where I saw it or what it was for.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Dana Orzel                              Great Solar Works, Inc.
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-18 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar

Why is it #6? Usually the solar panels wire size determine Array Teks size
for this wiring. What do they say please?  --Dave

> How about an insulated loop clamp like this one:
> https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0216763
>
> You can get them in stainless and they have the rubber grommet so it won't
> touch the rack.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Dana  wrote:
>
>> Good Morning Wrenches,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am required to keep the bare #6 copper from touching the aluminum
>> frame
>> work of a Array Technologies tracker where it is not mechanically
>> connected
>> by a pass-through ground clamp on a tracking array [dissimilar metals]
>> and
>> am looking for a lead on an insulated standoff or strap to hold the #6
>> bare
>> copper as it passes from panel to panel and rail to rail. The plans
>> examiner would accept pass through clamps & this is a worst case-spendy
>> solution to this.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have searched the inquired at local electrical warehouse  the
>> internet and to no avail under âinsulated strapâ & âinsulated
>> cable
>> standoffâ.
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone else encountered his & what did you use? Where did you source
>> this strap?
>>
>>
>>
>> I remember seeing something like this in the fuzzy past & cannot recall
>> where I saw it or what it was for.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
>>
>> *C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
>> *
>>
>> Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374
>>
>> NABCEP # 051112-136   www.solarwork.biz
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-18 Thread Will White

How about an insulated loop clamp like this one:
https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0216763

You can get them in stainless and they have the rubber grommet so it won't
touch the rack.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Dana  wrote:

> Good Morning Wrenches,
>
>
>
> I am required to keep the bare #6 copper from touching the aluminum frame
> work of a Array Technologies tracker where it is not mechanically connected
> by a pass-through ground clamp on a tracking array [dissimilar metals] and
> am looking for a lead on an insulated standoff or strap to hold the #6 bare
> copper as it passes from panel to panel and rail to rail. The plans
> examiner would accept pass through clamps & this is a worst case-spendy
> solution to this.
>
>
>
> I have searched the inquired at local electrical warehouse  the
> internet and to no avail under “insulated strap” & “insulated cable
> standoff”.
>
>
>
> Has anyone else encountered his & what did you use? Where did you source
> this strap?
>
>
>
> I remember seeing something like this in the fuzzy past & cannot recall
> where I saw it or what it was for.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
>
> *C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
> *
>
> Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374
>
> NABCEP # 051112-136   www.solarwork.biz
>
> *"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"  *
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff

2018-04-18 Thread Darryl Thayer

I used a clip from Iron Ridge  check with them

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 11:00 AM Dana  wrote:

> Good Morning Wrenches,
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> I am required to keep the bare #6 copper from touching the aluminum frame
> work of a Array Technologies tracker where it is not mechanically connected
> by a pass-through ground clamp on a tracking array [dissimilar metals] and
> am looking for a lead on an insulated standoff or strap to hold the #6 bare
> copper as it passes from panel to panel and rail to rail. The plans
> examiner would accept pass through clamps & this is a worst case-spendy
> solution to this.
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>
> I have searched the inquired at local electrical warehouse  the
> internet and to no avail under “insulated strap” & “insulated cable
> standoff”.
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> Has anyone else encountered his & what did you use? Where did you source
> this strap?
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> I remember seeing something like this in the fuzzy past & cannot recall
> where I saw it or what it was for.
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> Thanks for any suggestions.
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