date:20040607

Gregg,
Also remember, the drive to the amp is controlled by the amps power 
control.
73
AC0Y


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 Okay not real familiar with the VHF version of this repeater, just 
need to
 know one thing.  What is the minimum out of the exciter to drive 
the 110
 watt amp.  I'm thinking I'm a little light on drive and thus the 
amp doesn't
 always excite.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 
 Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Retired
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] East coast system? OT

2004-06-07 Thread russ

You are right about the folks over at Cook Tower. Dean will talk radio till
the cows come home. Plus it is toll free. Nice folks. But this time you will
want to call Communications Spec. in CA. 800-854-0547
They can hook you up with an incode only unit for under $30.00 I think
$27.00 but don't hold me to the $27.00
As I tell folks around here it is an easy hook up. 3 wires and two are power
smile I like to tie the 3rd one on the dev. pot. But they can tell you at
comm-spec the best place on a lot of radio's just tell them what you have.
If not you can always call Dean or Kathy over at Cook they will install it
for you.big grin.
All kidding aside I hope this is of some help for you.

Very best of 73,
Russ, W3CH

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 Whoa!!   Alarm!!  Danger Will-Robinson!!

 On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:56:21 -0400 russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  ... Comm-Spec makes decoder for any radio out there.

 Gonna have to call yer hand there, Russ  g  Yeah, you *meant* to say
 just about...

 Specifically, I've been looking since forever for the PL gizmo to outfit
 the XYLs  IC-24AT -- why ICOM saw fit to make that an add-on is beyond
 me!  Anybody got one ??   I'd settle for encode-only.

 ..and... maybe you heard:  had a nice chat a while back with yer (Cook
 Tower) buddy Dean  -- DANG, that boy is long-winded !! snik

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] East coast system?

2004-06-07 Thread Don

At 04:56 PM 6/6/04 -0400, you wrote:
Hey Don,
It really is not all that good.
About 20 to 30 miles as a rule and when the skip comes up much less. smile
Way to many repeaters on to few pairs. It would be nice if every on would PL
there 10 meter repeater but %^*(*^ guys just won't.
73 Russ, W3CH

Russ You Run

200 watts to a 3 dbd omni at about 429'

I must be Missing Something or RF At 10 Meters is Different  in Your 
area,   I always Talk 75-100 Miles Ground wave 10 FM Simplex Old Modified 
CB Ground plane at 60 Ft and 75 Watts .

I will forget about putting a 10 Fm Link on My Repeater Now.

73 De Don KA9QJG







 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Question on Motorola encryption

What are you going to use it for? I cant remember but I think that 
the DVP would work through repeaters. As far as DES-XL I don't know. 
I'm versed in DES, as I designed a DES encreption/ decryption modem 
a few years ago for the military. The DES aproach is very likely a 
64 bit serial algorithem with a 128 bit key. You figure out how 
secure it is. I guess you would have to know how the encryption 
is done. I do. Take my word. It's very secure. Enough for the 
military to use.
73 AC0Y
  


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSR2000 VHF questions

2004-06-07 Thread Gregg Lengling

Actually near the input to the amp under the cover is the exciter power
control circuitfound that after searching the manuals.  Getting 1.45
watts now and driving the amp at 45uA so all is good there, now to figure
out that it's the next driver or the matched drivers that are badpretty
sure it's the second driver in the amp.  Guess time to order a transistor.


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From: Coy Hilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 7:08 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSR2000 VHF questions

Gregg,
Also remember, the drive to the amp is controlled by the amps power 
control.
73
AC0Y


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 Okay not real familiar with the VHF version of this repeater, just 
need to
 know one thing.  What is the minimum out of the exciter to drive 
the 110
 watt amp.  I'm thinking I'm a little light on drive and thus the 
amp doesn't
 always excite.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 
 Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Retired
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Radios

At 11:48 PM 6/6/04 +, you wrote:

Can anyone tell me for testing purposes if there is a way to set the
tones off on a weather radio.  What is the sequence they use to make
them tone off?

Mathew

For a regular weather RX it's audio consisting of just a 1050hz tone for one
second (i.e. just the tone, no voice or other audio in the background).  The
overly conservative specs call for the encoder to send three seconds to
make sure.

The SAME receivers use a digital data burst and I know of no commonly
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Cushman CE3

What part it should go there with out modification...But not enough 
info.
73
AC0Y


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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Radios

Thanks Mike, if the same codes were not put into the weather radio, it
should not require the same codes to be sent is what I am thinking.  I sent
a 1050 Hz tone from the service monitor, that did not open the receiver.
Somewhere in my boxes of junk I should have a plain old weather receiver.
Just have to find it.  Trying to figure out the switching so that I can hook
the weather radio up to my repeater.  It is a Midland Unit.

Mathew

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 At 11:48 PM 6/6/04 +, you wrote:

 Can anyone tell me for testing purposes if there is a way to set the
 tones off on a weather radio.  What is the sequence they use to make
 them tone off?
 
 Mathew

 For a regular weather RX it's audio consisting of just a 1050hz tone for
one
 second (i.e. just the tone, no voice or other audio in the background).
The
 overly conservative specs call for the encoder to send three seconds to
 make sure.

 The SAME receivers use a digital data burst and I know of no commonly
 available test equipment for it.

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[Repeater-Builder] Cushman CE3

2004-06-07 Thread Laryn Lohman



Can this unit be modified to go below 450Mc?  Also are there any docs 
posted on the Web somewhere?  Thanks

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cushman CE3

Depends on the module that you have installed in the unit.  I have one
comming that is set for the 25 to 50 Mhz range.  Then you have the high
band, ultra high band, and so one.

Mathew

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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Cushman CE3

 Can this unit be modified to go below 450Mc?  Also are there any docs
 posted on the Web somewhere?  Thanks

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need help in NC

2004-06-07 Thread Martin Harris

Hello Rich:

W4FOT Martin Harris here in Etowah, NC  Just outside of Hendersonville.

What kind of help do you need ?

Martin
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Need to speak to some hams in various parts of NC. 

Can some of you contact me off list ?

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] East coast system?

2004-06-07 Thread russ

Hey Don,
We have a lot of rolling hill. The repeater tx is along the Delaware river
25 feet amsl with in 5 miles the ground jumps up to almost 400 feet And as
you go NNW even more. So line of sight get bad when you get behind a hill.
73 Russ,

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Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] East coast system?

 At 04:56 PM 6/6/04 -0400, you wrote:
 Hey Don,
 It really is not all that good.
 About 20 to 30 miles as a rule and when the skip comes up much less.
smile
 Way to many repeaters on to few pairs. It would be nice if every on would
PL
 there 10 meter repeater but %^*(*^ guys just won't.
 73 Russ, W3CH

 Russ You Run

 200 watts to a 3 dbd omni at about 429'

 I must be Missing Something or RF At 10 Meters is Different  in Your
 area,   I always Talk 75-100 Miles Ground wave 10 FM Simplex Old Modified
 CB Ground plane at 60 Ft and 75 Watts .

 I will forget about putting a 10 Fm Link on My Repeater Now.

 73 De Don KA9QJG

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Cushman CE3

2004-06-07 Thread Steve S. Bosshard \(NU5D\)

The CE3 would not cover 440-450, the CE2A would.

Don't know of any mod.  Used a CE3 from 75 thru 81 with only a scope xformer
fail, and several replaceable pads in the generator line lost their smoke
and fuse.

Ssb


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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Cushman CE3

What part it should go there with out modification...But not enough 
info.
73
AC0Y


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Cushman CE3

2004-06-07 Thread Steve S. Bosshard \(NU5D\)

The module is a tunable preselector vs a broadband front end.

Ssb

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Depends on the module that you have installed in the unit.  I have one
comming that is set for the 25 to 50 Mhz range.  Then you have the high
band, ultra high band, and so one.

Mathew

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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Cushman CE3

 Can this unit be modified to go below 450Mc?  Also are there any docs
 posted on the Web somewhere?  Thanks

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cushman CE3

Thanks Steve, that was the word I was looking for.

Mathew

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Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Cushman CE3

 The module is a tunable preselector vs a broadband front end.

 Ssb

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 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cushman CE3

 Depends on the module that you have installed in the unit.  I have one
 comming that is set for the 25 to 50 Mhz range.  Then you have the high
 band, ultra high band, and so one.

 Mathew

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 Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 6:51 PM
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  Can this unit be modified to go below 450Mc?  Also are there any docs
  posted on the Web somewhere?  Thanks

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Radios

Well that answers that, it will work on a regular weather radio, but will
not work on with the SAME.  Well back to the drawing board.  Guess I will
have to wait until the next storm rolls in.

Mathew

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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Radios

 At 11:48 PM 6/6/04 +, you wrote:

 Can anyone tell me for testing purposes if there is a way to set the
 tones off on a weather radio.  What is the sequence they use to make
 them tone off?

 Mathew

 For a regular weather RX it's audio consisting of just a 1050hz tone for
one
 second (i.e. just the tone, no voice or other audio in the background).
The
 overly conservative specs call for the encoder to send three seconds to
 make sure.

 The SAME receivers use a digital data burst and I know of no commonly
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 Mike WA6ILQ

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Radios

2004-06-07 Thread KC1RM

I also think that NWS performs weekly tests of SAME transmissions on
Wednesdays between and 11-1PM.  Check with NWS in your area and
you may not have to wait until the next storm.

Jim, KC1RM

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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Radios

 Well that answers that, it will work on a regular weather radio, but will
 not work on with the SAME.  Well back to the drawing board.  Guess I will
 have to wait until the next storm rolls in.

 Mathew

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 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Radios

  At 11:48 PM 6/6/04 +, you wrote:

  Can anyone tell me for testing purposes if there is a way to set the
  tones off on a weather radio.  What is the sequence they use to make
  them tone off?

  Mathew

  For a regular weather RX it's audio consisting of just a 1050hz tone for
 one
  second (i.e. just the tone, no voice or other audio in the background).
 The
  overly conservative specs call for the encoder to send three seconds to
  make sure.

  The SAME receivers use a digital data burst and I know of no commonly
  available test equipment for it.

  Mike WA6ILQ

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Cushman CE3

2004-06-07 Thread Laryn Lohman



OK, more info

The PLL? goes into unlock below 450.000Mc.  So that was the subject 
of my question, although I didn't say so.  The preselector is the 
tunable 140-175Mc unit.  As you know, it is switchable to an ultra-
wide mode with no tuning.  So it seems that won't get in the way once 
the frequency selection circuits are happy.  What else might get in 
the way of operating below 450?  There's got to be way, right?  
being optimistic here

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Radios

2004-06-07 Thread mch

On all the units that I have, they either respond to the 1050 Hz tone,
or SAME, but not both. The SAME units ONLY respond to SAME codes. The
tone units only respond to tone.

This won't help you, but there is a code to program the SAME receivers
with so they will respond to ANY alert, but they still use the SAME data
- they just ignore the FIPS (area) code.

To guess your next question, I am not aware
of any SMs that generate SAME coding.

Joe M.

Mathew Quaife wrote:
 
 Thanks Mike, if the same codes were not put into the weather radio, it
 should not require the same codes to be sent is what I am thinking.  I sent
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Radios

Thanks Jim, just that I work on Wednesdays, I'm just not winning here.  If I
could get a schematic of this critter then I would be able to tell what I am
looking for.  All I need to know is which way the diode lights go when the
tones go off.  Actually if I could just fine one of the old Radioshack
units, 22-249 I think was the number, I would have it made.  Ah well, this
is just the fun of it I suppose.  Thanks.

Mathew


 I also think that NWS performs weekly tests of SAME transmissions on
 Wednesdays between and 11-1PM.  Check with NWS in your area and
 you may not have to wait until the next storm.

 Jim, KC1RM

  Well that answers that, it will work on a regular weather radio, but
will
  not work on with the SAME.  Well back to the drawing board.  Guess I
will
  have to wait until the next storm rolls in.
 
  Mathew
  
   Can anyone tell me for testing purposes if there is a way to set the
   tones off on a weather radio.  What is the sequence they use to make
   them tone off?
   
   Mathew
  
   For a regular weather RX it's audio consisting of just a 1050hz tone
for
  one
   second (i.e. just the tone, no voice or other audio in the
background).
  The
   overly conservative specs call for the encoder to send three seconds
to
   make sure.
  
   The SAME receivers use a digital data burst and I know of no commonly
   available test equipment for it.
  
   Mike WA6ILQ
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Cushman CE3

The CE3 should work at 2 meter ham band. I know that it works 
(normaly) in the vhf band and the 450 commertial bands because it is 
what I used for several years before the CE50 and the CE4 came 
alongin our shop.
IF It goes out of lock when you try say, setting it for 155.000 mhz 
there is a problem with yours. I would try and get all info that I 
could find including a service manual. There should be at least one 
company out there that could work on it for you.
It's an OLD BEAST, but I would to have one. The one that I used 
lasted for ever..
73
AC0Y
 


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 OK, more info
 
 The PLL? goes into unlock below 450.000Mc.  So that was the 
subject 
 of my question, although I didn't say so.  The preselector is the 
 tunable 140-175Mc unit.  As you know, it is switchable to an ultra-
 wide mode with no tuning.  So it seems that won't get in the way 
once 
 the frequency selection circuits are happy.  What else might get 
in 
 the way of operating below 450?  There's got to be way, right?  
 being optimistic here
 
 Laryn K8TVZ





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Radios

What about a singal generator, think that would send them?

Mathew


 On all the units that I have, they either respond to the 1050 Hz tone,
 or SAME, but not both. The SAME units ONLY respond to SAME codes. The
 tone units only respond to tone.

 This won't help you, but there is a code to program the SAME receivers
 with so they will respond to ANY alert, but they still use the SAME data
 - they just ignore the FIPS (area) code.

 To guess your next question, I am not aware
 of any SMs that generate SAME coding.

 Joe M.

 Mathew Quaife wrote:
 
  Thanks Mike, if the same codes were not put into the weather radio, it
  should not require the same codes to be sent is what I am thinking.  I
sent
  a 1050 Hz tone from the service monitor, that did not open the receiver.






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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Question on Motorola encryption

2004-06-07 Thread osborne605



DVP is the lowest level of encryption DES/DVP were the 1st types. They found that there was range problems and the "XL" versions came out. DVP was sold to the general public, DES was only sold to government agencies. Both do not meet the current government standards. A conventional repeater will not pass either you need a "M" repeater setup for digital encryption.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Radios

2004-06-07 Thread mch

You need to send data in the correct format. This is like asking of a SM
(or a SG) can generate packet. No, none that I know of can by
themselves. I'm sure there is a way to use the external modulation port
(if it has one) to inject the SAME datastream onto the signal, but I
don't know of anyone who has such a generator for the datastream.

As was mentioned, try the Wednesday test. In my area, it's between 11:00
and 11:30 AM, but your area may vary. Regardless it should have a test.
BUT, depending on how you are interfacing the unit, and the unit you
have, it may not help. My home unit displays TEST on the screen, and
unmutes the audio for a few minutes, but does not light any of the WATCH
or WARNING lamps.

Joe M.

Mathew Quaife wrote:
 
 What about a singal generator, think that would send them?
 
 Mathew
 
  On all the units that I have, they either respond to the 1050 Hz tone,
  or SAME, but not both. The SAME units ONLY respond to SAME codes. The
  tone units only respond to tone.
 
  This won't help you, but there is a code to program the SAME receivers
  with so they will respond to ANY alert, but they still use the SAME data
  - they just ignore the FIPS (area) code.
 
  To guess your next question, I am not aware
  of any SMs that generate SAME coding.
 
  Joe M.
 
  Mathew Quaife wrote:
  
   Thanks Mike, if the same codes were not put into the weather radio, it
   should not require the same codes to be sent is what I am thinking.  I
 sent
   a 1050 Hz tone from the service monitor, that did not open the receiver.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Weather Radios

2004-06-07 Thread hwingate

The 1050 hz tone is the original arert tone that was used
before the SAME system was installed. It is still transmitted
with a duration of 8-10 seconds,is not area specific and will
give a warning for the whole coverage area of the station, sometimes
as much as 5000 square miles.
Generating a SAME tone is not for the faint of heart. It is 
digital and has such oddball parameters as 520.83 bps data rate,
a digital 1 = 2083.3 hz , a digital 0 = 1562.5 hz. For more 
than you ever wanted to know about SAME go here:
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/nwr/same.pdf

Henry, K4HAL

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mathew Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 What about a singal generator, think that would send them?
 
 Mathew
 
 
  On all the units that I have, they either respond to the 1050 Hz tone,
  or SAME, but not both. The SAME units ONLY respond to SAME codes. The
  tone units only respond to tone.
 
  This won't help you, but there is a code to program the SAME receivers
  with so they will respond to ANY alert, but they still use the
SAME data
  - they just ignore the FIPS (area) code.
 
  To guess your next question, I am not aware
  of any SMs that generate SAME coding.
 
  Joe M.
 
  Mathew Quaife wrote:
  
   Thanks Mike, if the same codes were not put into the weather
radio, it
   should not require the same codes to be sent is what I am
thinking.  I
 sent
   a 1050 Hz tone from the service monitor, that did not open the
receiver.
 

 
 
 





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Radios

2004-06-07 Thread Roger Grady

At 10:00 PM 6/6/04, Mathew Quaife wrote:

Thanks Jim, just that I work on Wednesdays, I'm just not winning here.  If I
could get a schematic of this critter then I would be able to tell what I am
looking for.  All I need to know is which way the diode lights go when the
tones go off.  Actually if I could just fine one of the old Radioshack
units, 22-249 I think was the number, I would have it made.  Ah well, this
is just the fun of it I suppose.  Thanks.

I only work part-time, but also on Wednesdays, so I'm not usually home 
either when the NWS tests the alert system. But I seem to remember once 
when I was and during the test, the alert lights were not illuminated. I 
assume all radios would work the same but I can't say for sure. My radio is 
a Radio Shack (Tech America brand), SAME capable.

One other comment - the 1050hz tone is 8 seconds long.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Weather Radios

All I need is to get an output form a Midland Weather radio that can go into
my repeater to set off an alert for the local area So Maybe if I leave
it on Wednesday it will take off and be on when I get home.HiHi...

Mathew

- Original Message -
From: hwingate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 9:02 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Weather Radios

 The 1050 hz tone is the original arert tone that was used
 before the SAME system was installed. It is still transmitted
 with a duration of 8-10 seconds,is not area specific and will
 give a warning for the whole coverage area of the station, sometimes
 as much as 5000 square miles.
 Generating a SAME tone is not for the faint of heart. It is
 digital and has such oddball parameters as 520.83 bps data rate,
 a digital 1 = 2083.3 hz , a digital 0 = 1562.5 hz. For more
 than you ever wanted to know about SAME go here:
 http://www.nws.noaa.gov/nwr/same.pdf

 Henry, K4HAL

 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mathew Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  What about a singal generator, think that would send them?

  Mathew

   On all the units that I have, they either respond to the 1050 Hz tone,
   or SAME, but not both. The SAME units ONLY respond to SAME codes. The
   tone units only respond to tone.

   This won't help you, but there is a code to program the SAME receivers
   with so they will respond to ANY alert, but they still use the
 SAME data
   - they just ignore the FIPS (area) code.

   To guess your next question, I am not aware
   of any SMs that generate SAME coding.

   Joe M.

   Mathew Quaife wrote:

Thanks Mike, if the same codes were not put into the weather
 radio, it
should not require the same codes to be sent is what I am
 thinking.  I
  sent
a 1050 Hz tone from the service monitor, that did not open the
 receiver.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cushman CE3

2004-06-07 Thread Neil McKie


  The Cushman factory had an optional kit that became available 
 later in the CE3 production ... but I don't know where to get 
 the info on it. 

  Neil 

Laryn Lohman wrote:
 
 Can this unit be modified to go below 450Mc?  Also are there any 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Radios

At 08:00 PM 6/6/04 -0700, you wrote:

Thanks Jim, just that I work on Wednesdays, I'm just not winning here.

Got a video camera and a tripod?
Hook the camera to your VCR and program it to record from
11am to 1pm on Wednesday (or whenever the test is done in
your area).

If I
could get a schematic of this critter then I would be able to tell what I am
looking for.

Can you order a service manual?

  All I need to know is which way the diode lights go when the
tones go off.  Actually if I could just fine one of the old Radioshack
units, 22-249 I think was the number, I would have it made.

Is that the old weather cube?
If so, what's wrong with taking an old 160mhz highband RX (most hams
consider them doorstops) and get a cheap xtal for it.  Put a simple
single-tone decoder behind it and your are done - and the decoder
can be as simple as a twin-T filter at 1050hz followed by a full wave
voltage doubler that turns on a transistor.

Mike WA6ILQ

Ah well, this is just the fun of it I suppose.  Thanks.

Mathew


  I also think that NWS performs weekly tests of SAME transmissions on
  Wednesdays between and 11-1PM.  Check with NWS in your area and
  you may not have to wait until the next storm.
 
  Jim, KC1RM
 
   Well that answers that, it will work on a regular weather radio, but
will
   not work on with the SAME.  Well back to the drawing board.  Guess I
will
   have to wait until the next storm rolls in.
  
   Mathew
   
Can anyone tell me for testing purposes if there is a way to set the
tones off on a weather radio.  What is the sequence they use to make
them tone off?

Mathew
   
For a regular weather RX it's audio consisting of just a 1050hz tone
for
   one
second (i.e. just the tone, no voice or other audio in the
background).
   The
overly conservative specs call for the encoder to send three seconds
to
make sure.
   
The SAME receivers use a digital data burst and I know of no commonly
available test equipment for it.
   
Mike WA6ILQ
   
   
   
   
   
   
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Radios

2004-06-07 Thread Don

I have the two Test Wav Files for Turning on and off the Weather Receiver , 
But Please be aware  You must be a responsible user and not set off 
everyone Receiver in the Neighbor hood,  Especially You local Police and 
Schools Etc . I got tired of Waiting Every Wed to test MY Receiver when I 
was Working on it. it is Not a 1050 Tone  I use the Win Record on the 
Computer then a cable from the Soundcard.

You Feed the Audio into Your Service Monitor on the Right Freq into a Dummy 
load .  If You don't have the Proper Equipment then I will not Tell You the 
other way. If You want the Small files Please E-Mail Me direct of If The 
Moderator wants I can Upload them to the files section.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Radios

2004-06-07 Thread KC1RM

When I was playing with SAME weather radios a couple of years back, I
called the local NWS weather office and found out what time they were
going to conduct their test.  I then set up a timer on a cassette recorder to
record the broadcast.

I guess you could use this as the audio source for a service monitor, but
what I did was just inject the audio into the weather radio at the volume
control.  In my case I wasn't going to use the RF section of the weather
radio as it got clobbered by all the RF on the hill I was on.  I think I used
a GE Phoenix as the receiver, and then coupled the audio to the weather
radio so I could use it's SAME detector.  I just injected the audio where
I was going to inject the receive audio.   It worked just fine.

Jim, KC1RM


- Original Message - 
From: Mathew Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Radios


 Thanks Jim, just that I work on Wednesdays, I'm just not winning here.  If I
 could get a schematic of this critter then I would be able to tell what I am
 looking for.  All I need to know is which way the diode lights go when the
 tones go off.  Actually if I could just fine one of the old Radioshack
 units, 22-249 I think was the number, I would have it made.  Ah well, this
 is just the fun of it I suppose.  Thanks.
 
 Mathew
 
 
  I also think that NWS performs weekly tests of SAME transmissions on
  Wednesdays between and 11-1PM.  Check with NWS in your area and
  you may not have to wait until the next storm.
 
  Jim, KC1RM
 
   Well that answers that, it will work on a regular weather radio, but
 will
   not work on with the SAME.  Well back to the drawing board.  Guess I
 will
   have to wait until the next storm rolls in.
  
   Mathew
   
Can anyone tell me for testing purposes if there is a way to set the
tones off on a weather radio.  What is the sequence they use to make
them tone off?

Mathew
   
For a regular weather RX it's audio consisting of just a 1050hz tone
 for
   one
second (i.e. just the tone, no voice or other audio in the
 background).
   The
overly conservative specs call for the encoder to send three seconds
 to
make sure.
   
The SAME receivers use a digital data burst and I know of no commonly
available test equipment for it.
   
Mike WA6ILQ
   
   
   
   
   
   
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Weather Radios

2004-06-07 Thread kevin thomas

Check out the file section of this List, And lookin doc's folder for a wiring diagram for a weather radio to a controller.Mathew Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All I need is to get an output form a Midland Weather radio that can go intomy repeater to set off an alert for the local area So Maybe if I leaveit on Wednesday it will take off and be on when I get home.HiHi...Mathew- Original Message -From: "hwingate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 9:02 PMSubject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Weather Radios The 1050 hz tone is the original arert tone that was used before the SAME system was installed. It is still transmitted with a duration of 8-10 seconds,is not area specific and will give a warning for the whole coverage area of the station, sometimes as much as 5000 square miles. Generating a SAME tone is not for the faint of heart. It is digital and has such oddball parameters as
520.83 bps data rate, a digital 1 = 2083.3 hz , a digital 0 = 1562.5 hz. For more than you ever wanted to know about SAME go here: http://www.nws.noaa.gov/nwr/same.pdf Henry, K4HAL --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mathew Quaife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: What about a singal generator, think that would send them? Mathew On all the units that I have, they either respond to the 1050 Hz tone, or SAME, but not both. The SAME units ONLY respond to SAME codes. The tone units only respond to tone. This won't help you, but there is a code to program the SAME receivers with so they will respond to ANY alert, but they still use the SAME data - they just ignore the FIPS (area) code. To guess your next
question, I am not aware of any SMs that generate SAME coding. Joe M. Mathew Quaife wrote: Thanks Mike, if the same codes were not put into the weather radio, itshould not require the same codes to be sent is what I am thinking. I senta 1050 Hz tone from the service monitor, that did not open the receiver. Yahoo! Groups LinksYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
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[Repeater-Builder] Oh Lord, not another Part 97 question!

2004-06-07 Thread Ken Arck

Point to point link ID requirement:

1) When the link is first brought up and taken down
2) When the link is first brought up and taken down and every 10 minutes of
operation
3) At the end of communications
4) All of the above

The winner receives an atta boy!

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Oh Lord, not another Part 97 question!

2004-06-07 Thread Mike Perryman

Ken,

I would think this is a no-brainer...  as option 2 is inclusive of the
others and 10min interval is a requirement.

mike
K5JMP

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Point to point link ID requirement:

1) When the link is first brought up and taken down
2) When the link is first brought up and taken down and every 10 minutes of
operation
3) At the end of communications
4) All of the above

The winner receives an atta boy!

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Oh Lord, not another Part 97 question!

2004-06-07 Thread Ken Arck

At 11:09 AM 6/7/2004 -0400, you wrote:
Ken,

I would think this is a no-brainer...  as option 2 is inclusive of the
others and 10min interval is a requirement.

I keep getting dragged back into the ID debate but only as it applies
to auxiliary stations. Your position is my position - it doesn't matter
what it is, the every 10 minute rule applies regardless.

Not everyone is willing to take my word for it however. To which I say..
fine, do it as you feel comfortable doing it. I am not my brother's station
keeper :-)

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Oh Lord, not another Part 97 question!

2004-06-07 Thread Mike Perryman

OK...  let's see...  that makes three atta-boys...
One more equals a cardboard cookie?  ;-))

Mike
K5JMP



At 08:51 AM 06/07/2004 -0700, you wrote:
At 11:09 AM 6/7/2004 -0400, you wrote:
 Ken,
 
 I would think this is a no-brainer...  as option 2 is inclusive of the
 others and 10min interval is a requirement.

I keep getting dragged back into the ID debate but only as it applies
to auxiliary stations. Your position is my position - it doesn't matter
what it is, the every 10 minute rule applies regardless.

Not everyone is willing to take my word for it however. To which I say..
fine, do it as you feel comfortable doing it. I am not my brother's station
keeper :-)

Ken





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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Oh Lord, not another Part 97 question!

2004-06-07 Thread Neil McKie


  Kevin is going to hate this discussion but, does a link need 
 to be turned down every 10 minutes?  It is by the fact is not 
 a repeater output, need to be off every ten minutes at all? 

  Neil - WA6KLA 

Mike Perryman wrote:
 
 Ken,
 
 I would think this is a no-brainer...  as option 2 is inclusive 
 of the others and 10min interval is a requirement.
 
 mike
 K5JMP

 
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 Point to point link ID requirement:
 
 1) When the link is first brought up and taken down
 2) When the link is first brought up and taken down and every 10 minutes of
 operation
 3) At the end of communications
 4) All of the above
 
 The winner receives an atta boy!
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Oh Lord, not another Part 97 question!

2004-06-07 Thread Neil McKie


  ID every ten mintutes and at the end too. 

  Neil - WA6KLA 

Ken Arck wrote:
 
 Point to point link ID requirement:
 
 1) When the link is first brought up and taken down
 2) When the link is first brought up and taken down and every 10 
minutes of operation
 3) At the end of communications
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Oh Lord, not another Part 97 question!

2004-06-07 Thread mch

I'll provide my own 'choice'. 5) The same as any other Part 97 station.

Joe M.

Ken Arck wrote:
 
 Point to point link ID requirement:
 
 1) When the link is first brought up and taken down
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Radios

2004-06-07 Thread Mike Perryman

I have been watching the thread, with exactly the same thought...

Mike
K5JMP

At 09:46 AM 06/07/2004 -0700, you wrote:
An idea that just poped into my head ... if one would record with their
computer the Wednesday noon S.A.M.E. test braodcast message through a
scanner or radio that has a discriminator audio output, one could
inject that audio went played from their computer into the mixer
circuit of another radio, and transmit that into a dummy load... to be
legal about it ;-)

That way you can test and test and test till you get your S.A.M.E. WX
alert system just right without having to wait till Wednesday or the
next storm to roll through.

This also would be way easier than trying to emmulate the actual
S.A.M.E datastream.  Have you seen the technical data on the S.A.M.E.
data? You would have to build your own TNC or modify something just to
get it to have the right baud and tone frequencies. Nothing off the
shelf will work.

Just an idea.

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  You need to send data in the correct format. This is like asking of a
  SM
  (or a SG) can generate packet. No, none that I know of can by
  themselves. I'm sure there is a way to use the external modulation
  port
  (if it has one) to inject the SAME datastream onto the signal, but I
  don't know of anyone who has such a generator for the datastream.
 
  As was mentioned, try the Wednesday test. In my area, it's between
  11:00
  and 11:30 AM, but your area may vary. Regardless it should have a
  test.
  BUT, depending on how you are interfacing the unit, and the unit you
  have, it may not help. My home unit displays TEST on the screen, and
  unmutes the audio for a few minutes, but does not light any of the
  WATCH
  or WARNING lamps.
 
  Joe M.
 
  Mathew Quaife wrote:
  
   What about a singal generator, think that would send them?
  
   Mathew
  
On all the units that I have, they either respond to the 1050 Hz
  tone,
or SAME, but not both. The SAME units ONLY respond to SAME codes.
  The
tone units only respond to tone.
   
This won't help you, but there is a code to program the SAME
  receivers
with so they will respond to ANY alert, but they still use the
  SAME data
- they just ignore the FIPS (area) code.
   
To guess your next question, I am not aware
of any SMs that generate SAME coding.
   
Joe M.
   
Mathew Quaife wrote:

 Thanks Mike, if the same codes were not put into the weather
  radio, it
 should not require the same codes to be sent is what I am
  thinking.  I
   sent
 a 1050 Hz tone from the service monitor, that did not open the
  receiver.
   
   
   
   
   
   
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] East coast system?

2004-06-07 Thread Joe LaGanga

There are a few variables in figuring this out, one is the actual path loss,
which is 65db per mile, output power which is 53dbm, and then the
sensitivity of the receiver on the other end, and most radios are in the
-102 to -107dbm receive sensitivity. So with all this information you can
figure out ground wave or at least get close.

Just my $.02 worth.

Thank you
Joe
N1EZO/8

I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go
into the other room and read a book.

-- Groucho Marx, 1890-1977 

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To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] East coast system?


It runs 200 watts to a 3 dbd omni at about 429' on the tower.
 
Russ How Far in Miles can one Hear the 10 Meter Sig , Ground Wave  not Skip
.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Weather Radios

2004-06-07 Thread grizzarv

 From: hwingate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Weather Radios

 The 1050 hz tone is the original arert tone that was used
 before the SAME system was installed. It is still transmitted
 with a duration of 8-10 seconds,is not area specific and will
 give a warning for the whole coverage area of the station, sometimes
 as much as 5000 square miles.
 Generating a SAME tone is not for the faint of heart. It is 
 digital and has such oddball parameters as 520.83 bps data rate,
 a digital 1 = 2083.3 hz , a digital 0 = 1562.5 hz. For more 
 than you ever wanted to know about SAME go here:
 http://www.nws.noaa.gov/nwr/same.pdf

 Henry, K4HAL

Henry, I don't think it would be all that hard to build a FSK audio
oscillator to work with a 1.92 mS wide mark and space tone (which is
what 520.83 bps translates to) at those frequencies.  The
phase continuity requirement may be a little tricky. though.

FWIW, the SAME code definitions are in the referenced PDF.  The encoder
is even somethng that might be worth writing as a sound card utility,
provided the sound card has the requisite transient response and
stability.

Guess I need to dig up the sound libraries and read the furnished manual
on them.

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] East coast system?

2004-06-07 Thread Jeff DePolo

 There are a few variables in figuring this out, one is the 
 actual path loss, which is 65db per mile, output power which 

65 dB per mile???!?  What happened to the inverse-square law?

 I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns 
 on the set, I go into the other room and read a book.

I prefer to watch television on a waveform monitor.

--- Jeff





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] East coast system?

2004-06-07 Thread russ

Of corse you can allway jump in the car and ride around.

- Original Message - 
From: Joe LaGanga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] East coast system?

 There are a few variables in figuring this out, one is the actual path
loss,
 which is 65db per mile, output power which is 53dbm, and then the
 sensitivity of the receiver on the other end, and most radios are in the
 -102 to -107dbm receive sensitivity. So with all this information you can
 figure out ground wave or at least get close.

 Just my $.02 worth.

 Thank you
 Joe
 N1EZO/8

 I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I
go
 into the other room and read a book.

 -- Groucho Marx, 1890-1977

 -Original Message-
 From: Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 4:16 PM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] East coast system?

 It runs 200 watts to a 3 dbd omni at about 429' on the tower.

 Russ How Far in Miles can one Hear the 10 Meter Sig , Ground Wave  not
Skip
 .

 Thanks Don KA9QJG

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Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] East coast system?

2004-06-07 Thread jlaganga

I don't know about the inverse-square law only what my excel spreadsheet tells 
me for path loss as I am too old to do all that math in my head. 

JLg

- Original Message -
From: Jeff DePolo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, June 7, 2004 2:08 pm
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] East coast system?

  There are a few variables in figuring this out, one is the 
  actual path loss, which is 65db per mile, output power which 

 65 dB per mile???!?  What happened to the inverse-square law?

  I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns 
  on the set, I go into the other room and read a book.

 I prefer to watch television on a waveform monitor.

   --- Jeff

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Oh Lord, not another Part 97 question!

2004-06-07 Thread Chris Peterson

number 4.

73,
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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Oh Lord, not another Part 97 question!


 Point to point link ID requirement:

 1) When the link is first brought up and taken down
 2) When the link is first brought up and taken down and every 10 minutes
of
 operation
 3) At the end of communications
 4) All of the above

 The winner receives an atta boy!

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Question on Motorola encryption

2004-06-07 Thread Gregg Lengling

Oops forgot to say with the base encoder you also have Over the Air
Rekeyingdefinitely a nice toy.


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-Original Message-
From: bredalrv1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 4:29 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Question on Motorola encryption

Thanks Everyone for the help I appreciated it a lot sounds very 
expensive for the Motorola SecureNet. I have Contacted Transcrypt 
and they said That there SC20-DES Encryption Board would work 
through a Repeater without having to install one on the Repeater 
Site. just wanted to get your guys opinion on it. They said there is 
as Secure as Motorola DES-XL?

Thanks Again
 In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 DVP is the lowest level of encryption DES/DVP were the 1st types. 
They found 
 that there was range problems and the XL versions came out. DVP 
was sold to 
 the general public, DES was only sold to government agencies. Both 
do not meet 
 the current government standards. A conventional repeater will not 
pass 
 either you need a M repeater setup for digital encryption.
 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Question on Motorola encryption

2004-06-07 Thread Gregg Lengling

I've used them for Military Applications (ANG) and they work well.


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-Original Message-
From: bredalrv1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 4:29 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Question on Motorola encryption

Thanks Everyone for the help I appreciated it a lot sounds very 
expensive for the Motorola SecureNet. I have Contacted Transcrypt 
and they said That there SC20-DES Encryption Board would work 
through a Repeater without having to install one on the Repeater 
Site. just wanted to get your guys opinion on it. They said there is 
as Secure as Motorola DES-XL?

Thanks Again
 In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 DVP is the lowest level of encryption DES/DVP were the 1st types. 
They found 
 that there was range problems and the XL versions came out. DVP 
was sold to 
 the general public, DES was only sold to government agencies. Both 
do not meet 
 the current government standards. A conventional repeater will not 
pass 
 either you need a M repeater setup for digital encryption.
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Question on Motorola encryption

2004-06-07 Thread Maire Company

send me your email address and info on your plains and I will send you some
info.
thanks   John   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message - 
From: bredalrv1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:29 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Question on Motorola encryption

 Thanks Everyone for the help I appreciated it a lot sounds very
 expensive for the Motorola SecureNet. I have Contacted Transcrypt
 and they said That there SC20-DES Encryption Board would work
 through a Repeater without having to install one on the Repeater
 Site. just wanted to get your guys opinion on it. They said there is
 as Secure as Motorola DES-XL?

 Thanks Again
  In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  DVP is the lowest level of encryption DES/DVP were the 1st types.
 They found
  that there was range problems and the XL versions came out. DVP
 was sold to
  the general public, DES was only sold to government agencies. Both
 do not meet
  the current government standards. A conventional repeater will not
 pass
  either you need a M repeater setup for digital encryption.

 Dale

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: slight o/t where is cable broadband ?

2004-06-07 Thread The Marlin Family

we are receiving what appears to be a new catv cable leak that sounds
like a loud machine like buzz.  maybe 300 hz or the like.  it seems to
be right at 145.15 and all over the place near there when we hear it.
driving us nuts  where is cable tv broadband spectum wise.
our local cable co just started up broadband at about the same time this
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Weather Radios

Nope - you don't need to be home, and you already have a
long-term recorder in your house right now.

Take your VCR, and set it to record from the external video
and audio jacks.  Stick a tape in it - any tape will give you at
least 2 hours, extended play mode up to 6.  Program the VCR to
record from an hour before to an hour behind.

On one of my machines I had to loop the video from video out
to video in before the unit would record - it apparently needed
the video sync before it would record - even from the audio input.
Strange.

Anyway then dub the important part from the VCR to a cassette
or into your sound card  for archiving.  Then you can play either
over and over and over when you wear out the cassette you
can dub a new one.  And when a storm rolls through you can
put use the VCR recorder again to get more alerts.

Mike WA6ILQ

At 06:46 PM 6/7/04 +, you wrote:

Thanks for the input, I think I am going to try the recording thing,
that should work.  Then I can inject it with the SM.  One question,
the unit would have to be open squelch to hear it correct.  SO have
it some on as before my scheduled time and record for awhile.

Mathew


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  An idea that just poped into my head ... if one would record with
their
  computer the Wednesday noon S.A.M.E. test braodcast message through
a
  scanner or radio that has a discriminator audio output, one could
  inject that audio went played from their computer into the mixer
  circuit of another radio, and transmit that into a dummy load... to
be
  legal about it ;-)
 
  That way you can test and test and test till you get your S.A.M.E.
WX
  alert system just right without having to wait till Wednesday or the
  next storm to roll through.
 
  This also would be way easier than trying to emmulate the actual
  S.A.M.E datastream.  Have you seen the technical data on the
S.A.M.E.
  data? You would have to build your own TNC or modify something just
to
  get it to have the right baud and tone frequencies. Nothing off the
  shelf will work.
 
  Just an idea.
 
  Dave / N9NLU
 
 
 
 
  --- mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   You need to send data in the correct format. This is like asking
of a
   SM
   (or a SG) can generate packet. No, none that I know of can by
   themselves. I'm sure there is a way to use the external modulation
   port
   (if it has one) to inject the SAME datastream onto the signal,
but I
   don't know of anyone who has such a generator for the datastream.
  
   As was mentioned, try the Wednesday test. In my area, it's between
   11:00
   and 11:30 AM, but your area may vary. Regardless it should have a
   test.
   BUT, depending on how you are interfacing the unit, and the unit
you
   have, it may not help. My home unit displays TEST on the screen,
and
   unmutes the audio for a few minutes, but does not light any of the
   WATCH
   or WARNING lamps.
  
   Joe M.
  
   Mathew Quaife wrote:
   
What about a singal generator, think that would send them?
   
Mathew
   
 On all the units that I have, they either respond to the 1050
Hz
   tone,
 or SAME, but not both. The SAME units ONLY respond to SAME
codes.
   The
 tone units only respond to tone.

 This won't help you, but there is a code to program the SAME
   receivers
 with so they will respond to ANY alert, but they still use the
   SAME data
 - they just ignore the FIPS (area) code.

 To guess your next question, I am not aware
 of any SMs that generate SAME coding.

 Joe M.

 Mathew Quaife wrote:
 
  Thanks Mike, if the same codes were not put into the weather
   radio, it
  should not require the same codes to be sent is what I am
   thinking.  I
sent
  a 1050 Hz tone from the service monitor, that did not open
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Cushman CE3

2004-06-07 Thread Ronald Schiller

Hi Guys, Any one ever find a replacement for the 301 scope transformer? I
have 3 Cushman and 2 have bad transformers.   The High voltage windings are
open. thanks for your help Ron WA6UNM

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Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 7:06 PM
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The CE3 would not cover 440-450, the CE2A would.

Don't know of any mod.  Used a CE3 from 75 thru 81 with only a scope xformer
fail, and several replaceable pads in the generator line lost their smoke
and fuse.

Ssb

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Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 9:00 PM
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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Cushman CE3

What part it should go there with out modification...But not enough 
info.
73
AC0Y

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docs 
 posted on the Web somewhere?  Thanks

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Weather Radios

2004-06-07 Thread Q






BUT,the weekly test wont light any LED's if thats 
where you are taking your signal from. Just find the high side of the led and 
send it to a buffer of some kind and then on to the controller input. If you 
want both to trigger one line,"OR" them together.
I was going to upgrade my wx rx,but the receiver in 
my SAME radio wont hear when the repeater is up. They must be making them real 
cheap cause they are wide and deaf!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  kevin thomas 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 
  Weather Radios
  
  Check out the file section of this List, And lookin doc's folder 
  for a wiring diagram for a weather radio to a controller.Mathew 
  Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  All 
I need is to get an output form a Midland Weather radio that can go 
intomy repeater to set off an alert for the local area So Maybe if I 
leaveit on Wednesday it will take off and be on when I get 
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