Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simplex repeater

[Neil McKie]

  We had 'PL' capability 35 years ago and were using it then. 

  Neil - WA6KLA 

Don Pomplun wrote:
 
 You say NOT often found in amateur radios.  My recollection of the
 history is that way back when there was no PL capability; this was
 followed by transmitting 100 Hz PL; then programmable PL xmit; and now
 I see many more radios capable of PL encode AND decode.
 Our situation is that we have small local workgroups who need to
 converse locally, and occasionally chat with everybody in all groups.
 If I thought about it, I could probably figure out a best way to
 arrange this with simplex  separate TR freqs, and different PLs.
 However, it might be too complicated for the average user to deal
 with.
 73,
 Don
 
 At 09:00 PM 5/18/2005 -0700, you wrote:
 
  Don,
 
  You're absolutely correct.  I was using the term simplex in the
  sense
  of TX and RX on the same frequency.  Although certainly not a
  universal
  definition, the term half duplex is often used to describe TX and
  RX
  on two different frequencies but not simultaneously.  Some might
  consider that practice to be wasteful of spectrum.
 
  Perhaps a more efficient alternative is to configure the simplex
  repeater radio to use different CTCSS tones for TX and RX.  The user
  radios must, of course, be capable of encoding and decoding
  different
  tones, but that capability is not often found in Amateur grade
  radios.
 
  73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 
  Don Pomplun wrote:
 
   I agree that hearing everything twice would get old quickly.
   What's wrong with this:  The simplex repeater box listens on one
  freq,
   then retransmits on another.  Everybody hears each transmission
  only
   once, albeit with a delay.
   Isn't the main advantage that of avoided cost?
  
  
   At 07:38 PM 5/18/2005 -0700, you wrote:
  
   The Zetron 19B Simplexor was the only simplex repeater that
  seemed
   to
   work properly, since it was designed for public-safety
  application,
   primarily for forwarding 2-tone sequential paging signals
  followed
   by a
   voice message.  The 19B could be set to repeat the tones and
  message
   a
   certain number of times.  Best of all, it was designed to plug
  into
   most
   Motorola and Kenwood commercial radios, and the voice quality was
   excellent.  I use the word was for a reason; the 19B Simplexor
  was
  
   discontinued a year or so ago.
  
   Not every radio user appreciates a simplex repeater, since all
   listeners
   hear every transmission twice.  That gets old, really quick!
  
   73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton check list

[no6b1]

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Dave VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 At 11:58 AM 5/18/2005, Ken Arck wrote:
 
 At 12:56 PM 5/18/2005 -0400, you wrote:
  Anyone taking bets on how high the gas prices will mysteriously raise
  for the weekend? I'm betting $2.37. Not that it's gouging or
anything.
 
 ---Only $2.37? That's less than we're paying here in Oregon now!
 
 regular is hovering around $2 here.

Highest on my trip so far was Shoshone, CA (near Death Valley).  $3.12
for regular.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton check list

[Larry Rowe]

$1.99 here in good ol WV

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hotline 007

[Tim Billingsley]

Due to the lack of response I am going to guess that this is a dead issue.

Thank you for the bandwidth and consideration. If anyone thinks of
anything or can refer me to another resource please let me know. Your
assistance is greatly appreciated.

No I will not be attending Dayton, but y'all have a good time.

73
Tim KD5CKP

--- Tim Billingsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is anyone familiar with the Hotline 007 Phone patch or know where to
 acquire documentation on this item? 
 
 I have been unable to find anything about it online or even able to
 identify the manufacturer. I know that it was made in Japan, but other
 than that I am coming up empty. I did locate this image of a MK III
 http://83.103.43.194/motoepoca/fotoborra/7650.jpg listed on this page
 http://www.motoepocaweb.it/index.php?mod=none_Elenco_terza_vendita. 
 
 The one I have must be an older version as it only says Hotline 007.
 
 Thanks for any information you can offer.
 
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Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simplex repeater hardware

[n1nte]

 
 Not every radio user appreciates a simplex repeater, since all listeners
 hear every transmission twice.  That gets old, really quick!


True, but there are instances where a SR makes sense. Quick deployment for low 
volume comms is one. Rescue ops, public service events, etc...

Training BEFOREHAND is always recommended so that the users can become 
accustomed to its odd behavior. PL is also recommended to keep the SR from 
repeating everything on the frequency and annoying co-channel users.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton check list

[Dave VanHorn]

Highest on my trip so far was Shoshone, CA (near Death 
Valley).  $3.12 for regular.

Ow!   They were always high, but 1.5x NA?!   That's highway robbery!





 
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[Repeater-Builder] Store and Forward - split tones...

[Steve Bosshard]

Using a different tone in and out will help with hearing transmissions
twice, but the user will still have to get accustomed to the delay.

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Want to buy Repeater Controller

[Ed Gage]

 Anybody got used SCOM/5K /7K they'd be willing to part with?
 
 Bob is working on the 7330 that will be a true 3-port controller.
 Any combination of three repeaters and remote bases and links...
 Yes, that means that you could have nine separate courtesy
 beeps to program
 

Bob (Hi Fibo!) and I talk a-lot.  We eyeball about once a month at a 
club meeting in Fort Collins.  He's about a 40-minute drive from my 
place.  I've seen the factory and the lab, and even helped with some 
of the assembly of the 7K product.  Our club uses them for local 
repeaters.  I have been impressed with the functionality and features 
of S-COM.  I am looking forward to the 7330 and its siblings in the 
near future.

Meantime, I'm still exploring the possibilties.  I think I bug Bob at 
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RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simplex repeater hardware

[Buley, Kenneth L \(GE Consumer Industrial\)]

A simplex repeater controller connected to a radio set for split operation 
(different TX and RX freqs) CAN eliminate the problem of hearing everything 
twice, at the expense of being careful not to double on the input freq. and 
having a delay between RX and TX. HTs or mobiles programmed reverse split of 
repeater radio will operate somewhat like a regular repeater, without the 
simultaneous RX/TX. 

Kenneth Buley
Bullitt County EMA Deputy Director CD-2
Bullitt/Spencer Counties Red Cross ECRV Driver/Operator BC-6
Bullitt County ARES/RACES Coordinator KY4DES 

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 Not every radio user appreciates a simplex repeater, since all listeners
 hear every transmission twice.  That gets old, really quick!


True, but there are instances where a SR makes sense. Quick deployment for low 
volume comms is 
one. Rescue ops, public service events, etc...

Training BEFOREHAND is always recommended so that the users can become 
accustomed to its odd 
behavior. PL is also recommended to keep the SR from repeating everything on 
the frequency and 
annoying co-channel users.

- Rob





 







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Want to buy Repeater Controller

[Neil McKie]

Ed Gage wrote:
 
try
 and buy repeater controllers, unless you happen to be in Dayton!) 

  Unless you seriously read the FCC rules ... then make your decision.

 
 ;-)
 
 N0TVQ 

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[Repeater-Builder] RB Antennas??

[Dennis Carpenter]

Just Wondering;

I may have missed it somewhere, but what is the difference between the 
antennas RB sell and Diamond/Comet type anteenas? Are they a true DC 
grounded antenna???

Curious Minds Want to Know;

TNX in advance, 
U guys have fun in Dayton,

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton check list

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I wouldexpect that Dayton attendance will be down significantly again this year, much more than the last few years due to the increased gas prices.
LJ
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$1.99 here in good ol WV

Larry, N8RDTno6b1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Dave VanHorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: At 11:58 AM 5/18/2005, Ken Arck wrote:  At 12:56 PM 5/18/2005 -0400, you wrote:  Anyone taking bets on how high the gas prices will mysteriously raise  for the weekend? I'm betting $2.37. Not that it's gouging oranything.  ---Only $2.37? That's less than we're paying here in Oregon now!  regular is hovering around $2 here.Highest on my trip so far was Shoshone, CA (near Death Valley). $3.12for regular.Bob NO6BYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Want to buy Repeater Controller

[Dave VanHorn]

At 09:57 AM 5/19/2005, Neil McKie wrote:

Ed Gage wrote:
 
try
  and buy repeater controllers, unless you happen to be in Dayton!)

   Unless you seriously read the FCC rules ... then make your decision.

Nothing like a vague and cryptic statement with dark allusions to add 
to the meat of the discussion...

What's this all about?





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simplex repeater (Dual Tones)

[Eric Lemmon]

Fellas,

Please re-read my posting.  My statement was concerning the ability of a radio 
to encode one CTCSS tone and decode a different CTCSS tone.  I have a number of 
Icom, Alinco, and Yaesu radios which can only be programmed for ONE  tone per 
channel, and the same tone is used for both TX and RX.  Even the Motorola HT220 
radio could only have one PL tone.

I did not state that NO Amateur-grade radio could have different tones for TX 
and RX.  I merely commented that this capability is uncommon in recent designs. 
 Perhaps in the future it will be a standard feature, along with dual-format 
reverse burst and adjustable CTCSS deviation.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] RB Antennas??

[KD5SFA]

The specs and size remonds me of the opek uvs-200 and uvs-300.
Similar models exist from greaterland...basically made in Taiwan if I recall 
correctly.

Do these come as 2 and 3 piece units such that you have to connect internals 
before you attach the sections together ?

73,
Jon
KD5SFA

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Sent: May 19, 2005 10:05 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RB Antennas??

Just Wondering;

I may have missed it somewhere, but what is the difference between the 
antennas RB sell and Diamond/Comet type anteenas? Are they a true DC 
grounded antenna???

Curious Minds Want to Know;

TNX in advance, 
U guys have fun in Dayton,

Dennis   ki5fw







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simplex repeater (Dual Tones)

[Jim B.]

Eric Lemmon wrote:

 Fellas,
 
 Please re-read my posting.  My statement was concerning the ability
 of a radio to encode one CTCSS tone and decode a different CTCSS
 tone.  I have a number of Icom, Alinco, and Yaesu radios which can
 only be programmed for ONE  tone per channel, and the same tone is
 used for both TX and RX.  Even the Motorola HT220 radio could only
 have one PL tone.
 
 I did not state that NO Amateur-grade radio could have different
 tones for TX and RX.  I merely commented that this capability is
 uncommon in recent designs.  Perhaps in the future it will be a
 standard feature, along with dual-format reverse burst and adjustable
 CTCSS deviation.
 
 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

Right-so far the only ham rig I've seen that can do split tones is the 
last of the Azden radios. I have a 6M version, and it can do it, since 
it programs like a commercial rig, just from the front panel. In fact, 
in other countries where type-acceptance isn't an issue, I'm pretty sure 
they sold the exact same radio into commercial service.

-- 
Jim Barbour
WD8CHL





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simplex repeater (Dual Tones)

[Mathew Quaife]

The RadioShack HTX-212 and HTX-242 could also do split tones as well as the Icom 706MKIIG. My Vertex VX-10's as well has the capability to have split PL tones if needed.

Mathew
"Jim B." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Eric Lemmon wrote: Fellas,  Please re-read my posting. My statement was concerning the ability of a radio to encode one CTCSS tone and decode a different CTCSS tone. I have a number of Icom, Alinco, and Yaesu radios which can only be programmed for ONE tone per channel, and the same tone is used for both TX and RX. Even the Motorola HT220 radio could only have one PL tone.  I did not state that NO Amateur-grade radio could have different tones for TX and RX. I merely commented that this capability is uncommon in recent designs. Perhaps in the future it will be a standard feature, along with dual-format reverse burst and adjustable CTCSS deviation.  73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLYRight-so far the only ham rig I've seen that can do split tones is the
 last of the Azden radios. I have a 6M version, and it can do it, since it programs like a commercial rig, just from the front panel. In fact, in other countries where type-acceptance isn't an issue, I'm pretty sure they sold the exact same radio into commercial service.-- Jim BarbourWD8CHLYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Simplex repeater (Dual Tones)

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Simplex repeater (Dual Tones)







The RadioShack HTX-212 and HTX-242 could also do split tones as well as
the Icom 706MKIIG. My Vertex VX-10's as well has the capability to have
split PL tones if needed.











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Eric Lemmon wrote:

 Fellas,
 
 Please re-read my posting. My statement was concerning the ability
 of a radio to encode one CTCSS tone and decode a different CTCSS
 tone. I have a number of Icom, Alinco, and Yaesu radios which can
 only be programmed for ONE tone per channel, and the same tone is
 used for both TX and RX. Even the Motorola HT220 radio could only
 have one PL tone.
 
 I did not state that NO Amateur-grade radio could have different
 tones for TX and RX. I merely commented that this capability is
 uncommon in recent designs. Perhaps in the future it will be a
 standard feature, along with dual-format reverse burst and adjustable
 CTCSS deviation.
 
 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

Right-so far the only ham rig I've seen that can do split tones is the 
last of the Azden radios. I have a 6M version, and it can do it, since 
it programs like a commercial rig, just from the front panel. In fact, 
in other countries where type-acceptance isn't an issue, I'm pretty sure 
they sold the exact same radio into commercial service.

-- 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood stuff

[Russ]

Hey Jed,
You mite want to drop Dean Westbrook a e-mail he just removed the one he
has(TKR-820 on GMRS) and up graded it to a full time (NEW) 50 watt unit.
Last I heard he had not sold it yet and he is going to Dayton.
73 Russ
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 Hey guys,
 Anyone know of people getting rid of TK820s at Dayton or where to find
 them?
 That's what I'm in the market for for running a GMRS box.
 Ideas of where to find?
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Want to buy Repeater Controller

[Russ]

I have a Scom 7K it has autopatch, it talks and has cw Id's. 2 and a half
port s and rack mount it does not have built in PL I use ComSpec for the PL.
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 Prefer SCOM, but open to other suggestions.  Ideally the controller
 would cost $200 or less.

 Needed features:
 - CWID / voice ID (would be sweet, but will settle for CW)
 - LINKS to multiple half/full duplex repeaters (maybe control 2 or 3
 repeaters)
 - Built-in CTCSS encode/decode
 - Remote-programmable
 - Macros
 - Switch sensors to broadcast alerts (door open, fan dead, security,
 etc.)
 - Adjustable squelch tail for COS, and CTCSS
 - Small footprint

 I've looked at several brands, but can't decide which one would
 provide the best service.  I'm building a 2M event repeater.

 Anybody got used SCOM/5K /7K they'd be willing to part with?

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simplex repeater hardware

[Joe Jarrett]

The frequency response of a 2 way communications system is well within the 
frequency response of one of the 8 KHz sample rate ChipCorders. The only 
decisionwould beto select the longest possible message time. 
The ISD1416 gets you 16 seconds, the ISD2560 gets you 60 seconds. Both of 
these are probably available through Digikey.

 Joe Jarrett K5FOG
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***On 5/19/2005 at 7:45 AM Don Pomplun wrote:
I wonder if those ISD audio record/playback chips are a 
  reasonable approach for a simplex repeater. (I know there are those 
  who insist on FM Broadcast quality, but for communication in a noisy 
  environment like a railroad, it doesn't seem an 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton check list

[Mike Morris WA6ILQ]

At 06:26 AM 5/19/05, you wrote:

 Highest on my trip so far was Shoshone, CA (near Death
 Valley).  $3.12 for regular.

Ow!   They were always high, but 1.5x NA?!   That's highway robbery!

Where else are you going to go?

Kinda like Ludlow and Newberry Springs... the one restaurant
in town has a monopoly on all the Highway 40 traffic...

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[Repeater-Builder] CTCSS decode/DTMF tone problem

[Paul Holm]

I'm working on adding Echolink to our 2M machine 
(pl 146.2) here and am using a Kenwood TM-241 for a link radio. This rig 
does not have PL decode so we added an outboardTranscendient CDC-01 
decoder board. Using the RX out pin off of the mic connector for 
discriminator tap. PL decode works greatexcept when DTMF tones are 
sent through the repeater. As soon as DTMF is sent, audio from the decoder 
drops out. This is not happening when testing on a simplex frequency, only 
when sending DTMF tones through the repeater. Any ideas about what's 
happening? Thanks.

Paul - KCØHST













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Re: [Repeater-Builder] RB Antennas??

[Scott Zimmerman]

Jon,

That's correct. They are 2 and 3 pieces that screw together with a bell type 
furrel. Unlike most ham grade antennas though, the bell is oriented properly to 
keep the water out.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: KD5SFA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 19, 2005 12:09 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RB Antennas??

The specs and size remonds me of the opek uvs-200 and uvs-300.
Similar models exist from greaterland...basically made in Taiwan if I recall 
correctly.

Do these come as 2 and 3 piece units such that you have to connect internals 
before you attach the sections together ?

73,
Jon
KD5SFA

-Original Message-
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Sent: May 19, 2005 10:05 AM
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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RB Antennas??

Just Wondering;

I may have missed it somewhere, but what is the difference between the 
antennas RB sell and Diamond/Comet type anteenas? Are they a true DC 
grounded antenna???

Curious Minds Want to Know;

TNX in advance, 
U guys have fun in Dayton,

Dennis   ki5fw







 
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[Repeater-Builder] Extra Dayton Ticket Available

[scottn3xcc]

Fellows,

I have 1 extra ticket to the Dayton Hamvention starting tomorrow. The 
first person to offer $25 for it gets it. That's the same as it would 
cost you at the door, without having to stand in line for hours.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] RB Antennas??

[DCFluX]

Got anything single band 2 Meter?

On 5/19/05, Scott Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jon,
 
 That's correct. They are 2 and 3 pieces that screw together with a bell type 
 furrel. Unlike most ham grade antennas though, the bell is oriented properly 
 to keep the water out.
 
 Scott




 
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[Repeater-Builder] Test please ignore

[Ronny Julian]

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