Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR-2000 UHF repeater with Duplexers and 8bay dipole vertical antenna

2009-04-10 Thread KZ4USA
100 watts. 

Jack 
KZ4USA
Bradenton, Florida


  - Original Message - 
  From: Maire-Radios 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR-2000 UHF repeater with Duplexers and 8bay 
dipole vertical antenna






  thanks  let me think on it  I'm in Clearwater

  what is the power output?


- Original Message - 
From: KZ4USA 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR-2000 UHF repeater with Duplexers and 
8bay dipole vertical antenna



 You would need new crystals. Its here in Bradenton, Fla on the central 
west coast of florida.


Jack 
KZ4USA
Bradenton, Florida


  - Original Message - 
  From: Maire-Radios 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR-2000 UHF repeater with Duplexers and 
8bay dipole vertical antenna



  where is it at?  can you reprogram the 2000?

  thanks  John


- Original Message - 
From: alphasxsignal 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:39 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSR-2000 UHF repeater with Duplexers and 
8bay dipole vertical antenna


MSR-2000 is 100watt UHF Comes with duplexers.
Decibel Products 8Bay dipole with mast also have 8 more dipoles without 
mast will include you could sell or use for back up. All for new low price$700 

Its on 461.075,466.075
Taking offers will not break up. Some want the antennas but they have 
to go with the repeater.
It comes with the 3 manuals that came with it. Manuals Mint condition. 
Pictures can be seen on www.hamradioclassifieds.com






  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MTR2000

2009-04-10 Thread John Harrington
Mike, If you are speaking of a Moto Micor station UHF PA, I have one.  
I'll trade it for a CT systems 2100 service manual.  And I'll pay 
shipping for the PA.


John  W5EME




Mike Mullarkey wrote:



Anybody have a UHF 100watt laying around they want to sell for a 
reasonable price for a ham project.


 


Mike K7PFJ

 


Mike Mullarkey

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-954-9695 Home

303-954-9693 Home Office  Fax

303-718-8052 Cellular

 







[Repeater-Builder] Wanted N type T connector

2009-04-10 Thread jgielis
Hi Guys,

I've been reading up on
How to Modify a Sinclair Q2220E 132-174 MHz Duplexer to 220 MHz
as Dave C has done.

Where/who supplies these connectors..

73 John
VK4JKL IRLP 6163


RE: [Repeater-Builder] MTR2000

2009-04-10 Thread Mike Mullarkey
Hi John,

 

No I am looking for a 100wt Motorola MTR2000 UHF Repeater.

 

Thanks,

 

Mike K7PFJ

 

 

 

Mike Mullarkey

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-954-9695 Home

303-954-9693 Home Office  Fax

303-718-8052 Cellular

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Harrington
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:09 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MTR2000

 






Mike, If you are speaking of a Moto Micor station UHF PA, I have one.  I'll
trade it for a CT systems 2100 service manual.  And I'll pay shipping for
the PA.

John  W5EME




Mike Mullarkey wrote: 

Anybody have a UHF 100watt laying around they want to sell for a reasonable
price for a ham project.

 

Mike K7PFJ

 

Mike Mullarkey

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-954-9695 Home

303-954-9693 Home Office  Fax

303-718-8052 Cellular

 

 





RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola R56 grounding

2009-04-10 Thread Bob M.

Thanks for the explanation. I was certainly thinking lower resistance with the 
4-inch copper ground but didn't think the impedance at 60 Hz would be that much 
different. I can definitely see the coupling problem with conduit and I believe 
conduit is required in commercial installations.

I bet a lot more people would follow R56 if it was more freely available and 
not shrouded in secrecy and cost.

Bob M.
==
--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net wrote:

 From: Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net
 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola R56 grounding
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:51 PM
 Bob,
 
 The reason is quite simple.  If a fault (say, a short
 to the case) occurs in
 a piece of equipment that is grounded per the NEC, the
 fault current- which
 may be 100 amperes or more- flows from the service through
 the circuit
 protection device (fuse or circuit breaker) to the fault,
 and returns via
 the equipment grounding conductor (green wire) to the
 service.  When the
 green wire is in close proximity to the hot wire (in the
 same conduit or
 cable jacket), the impedance to the fault is as low as it
 can possibly be-
 ensuring the immediate functioning of the circuit
 protection device.  If the
 fault return path were to follow a circular route- as it
 would if through a
 path not in close proximity to the supply conductor- the
 impedance will
 ALWAYS be much greater, and can possibly be high enough to
 limit the fault
 current to a value near the rating of the circuit
 protective device.  For
 example, if the impedance of the ground return path limited
 the fault
 current to 25 amperes on a 20 ampere branch circuit, the
 circuit may cook
 for several minutes before tripping.  Keep in mind
 that a fancy copper strip
 running around the shack may have a DC resistance that is a
 fraction of one
 ohm, but its AC impedance may be many ohms.
 
 When the electrical installation is within steel conduit,
 the problem
 becomes much worse if the grounding conductor follows a
 different path from
 the hot and neutral conductors.  When a fault occurs,
 the presence of the
 steel conduit creates a solenoid and the impedance
 increases significantly.
 Case in point:  About 20 years ago, I was rewiring a
 very old theater that
 was then almost 50 years old.  When I got around to
 working on the house
 lights, I found that an audible hum could be heard when the
 dimming
 rheostats were in a certain position.  The hum seemed
 to come from
 everywhere, making it difficult to pinpoint the
 source.  On a hunch, I used
 my trusty Simpson clamp ammeter to test the conduits up in
 the rafters.
 Surprise!  One of the conduits had almost 15 amperes
 flowing through it,
 meaning that there was a fault in the house light circuit,
 but the impedance
 of the grounding circuit limited the current to less than
 the circuit
 breaker rating.  While pulling out the ancient TW
 wires, I found one that
 was skinned bare by being pulled through an unreamed
 conduit, and had
 shorted to the conduit.  Had this circuit been
 properly grounded, the
 circuit breaker would have tripped instantly; instead, a
 dangerous
 electrical fault persisted, and in a place of assembly,
 that is
 unacceptable.
 
 The NEC includes many references to minimizing the
 impedance of a fault
 current path, but the NEC Handbook includes detailed
 explanations of the
 rationale.  For example, Article 250.24(C)(1) states,
 This [grounding]
 conductor shall be routed with the phase
 conductors...  Article
 250.32(B)(1) states, An equipment grounding conductor as
 described in
 250.118 shall be run with the supply conductors... 
 It takes a leap to
 assume that it's okay to depart from this consistent
 mantra.
 
 An electrical inspector's primary concern is ensuring the
 safety of the
 public and of structures occupied by the public.  I
 will admit that few
 inspectors will perform a thorough inspection of a
 mountaintop radio or
 cellular site, because the public's safety is not much of
 an issue there.  I
 also understand why an electrician- regardless of how
 experienced he or she
 may be- will probably never object to performing an
 installation that is not
 fully compliant with the NEC.  The owner will probably
 perceive that
 electrician as a troublemaker, leading to lost
 business.  The electrician
 can always say that he followed the plans exactly, and is
 therefore not
 likely to be held accountable.  I have worked with
 many electrical
 inspectors who don't sweat the small stuff, but also with
 many who are very
 thorough and would never allow creative grounding
 methods.  As an
 IAEI/ICBO Certified Electrical Inspector myself, I have
 been in the business
 long enough to know that a telecommunications site wired
 and grounded in
 accordance with the NEC will work properly and be safe.
 
 As for the currency of R56, I do not know how often it is
 updated.  I do
 know that its authors are aware of the 

[Repeater-Builder] DB-224 Price?

2009-04-10 Thread Mike (WM4B) Besemer
I'm trying to get an equipment list together for our club secretary so he can 
add new items to our insurance.  What's a reasonable replacement cost for a 
DB-224E?  I can't seem to find anything on the internet that I'd be willing to 
put on the insurance form... the prices seem to vary pretty wildly.

Thanks,

Mike
WM4B



Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 Price?

2009-04-10 Thread Lee Pennington
About 650 Bucks

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Mike (WM4B) Besemer mwbese...@cox.netwrote:



 I'm trying to get an equipment list together for our club secretary so he
 can add new items to our insurance. What's a reasonable replacement cost for
 a DB-224E? I can't seem to find anything on the internet that I'd be willing
 to put on the insurance form... the prices seem to vary pretty wildly.

 Thanks,

 Mike
 WM4B

  




-- 
Smart pills are placebos, you can't fix stupid.


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wanted N type T connector

2009-04-10 Thread Rick Szajkowski
how many do you need ?

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:52 AM, jgielis jgie...@westnet.com.au wrote:



 Hi Guys,

 I've been reading up on
 How to Modify a Sinclair Q2220E 132-174 MHz Duplexer to 220 MHz
 as Dave C has done.

 Where/who supplies these connectors..

 73 John
 VK4JKL IRLP 6163
  



RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wanted N type T connector

2009-04-10 Thread Jeff DePolo
 I've been reading up on
 How to Modify a Sinclair Q2220E 132-174 MHz Duplexer to 220 MHz
 as Dave C has done.
 
 Where/who supplies these connectors..
 
 73 John
 VK4JKL IRLP 6163


Delta Electronics - www.deltarf.com

http://www.deltarf.com/results/p60.pdf 

--- Jeff WN3A



[Repeater-Builder] MVP or his cousin!!

2009-04-10 Thread gervais

Hi all
i have here 3 MVP,or his cousin (inside the board are exactlty like the
Exec 2) that i dont need. i think they are in the 150 mhz and included
are 3 duplexer INSIDE the radio's. i gaved them in the past and they
have been return too me by US post wrong adress was gaven too me. So
i still have them too spare.   i cannot say they are not working but
because they were use on a phone link system i assume they are ok.   so
let me know your interest ,they are heavy remember.   my postal code is
G0L-1B0 in Quebec . 73/s Gervais ve2ckn


RE: [Repeater-Builder] MVP or his cousin!!

2009-04-10 Thread Eric Lemmon
Gervais,

What is the model or combination number that appears on each radio's label?

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gervais
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:42 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MVP or his cousin!!



Hi all

i have here 3 MVP,or his cousin (inside the board are exactlty like the Exec
2)
that i dont need.
i think they are in the 150 mhz and included are 3 duplexer INSIDE the
radio's.
i gaved them in the past and they have been return too me by US post
wrong adress was gaven too me.
So i still have them too spare.
 
i cannot say they are not working but because they were use on a phone link
system i assume they are ok.
 
so let me know your interest ,they are heavy remember.
 
my postal code is G0L-1B0 in Quebec .
73/s
Gervais ve2ckn



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola R56 grounding

2009-04-10 Thread wd8chl
Eric Lemmon wrote:
 Bob,
 
 The reason is quite simple.  If a fault (say, a short to the case) occurs in
 a piece of equipment that is grounded per the NEC, the fault current- which
 may be 100 amperes or more- flows from the service through the circuit
 protection device (fuse or circuit breaker) to the fault, and returns via
 the equipment grounding conductor (green wire) to the service.  
snip for brevity

The problem with all this is that, for lightning protection at a tower 
site, the ground for the arrestor should not run along the same path as 
the AC conduit, because it will be a much HIGHER impedance.
So while you need a proper ground within the service wiring, there also 
needs to be a good separate ground for lightning protection. Ideally, a 
bulkhead plate where the cable enters the building, but that's not 
always possible, especially at older sites. Next best is to mount the 
arrestor on the cabinet where the feedline enters, and run a large 
ground wire to the site ground in as short a run as possible, minimum 
bends, etc.
And I think lightning grounds is what R56 is more concerned with, more 
than service grounds.



Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 Price?

2009-04-10 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ

Plus feedline, connectors, and installation.  And if your site requires
a bonded rigger the installation labor alone can easily run a grand.

Mike

At 05:20 AM 04/10/09, you wrote:



About 650 Bucks

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Mike (WM4B) Besemer 
mailto:mwbese...@cox.netmwbese...@cox.net wrote:



I'm trying to get an equipment list together for our club secretary 
so he can add new items to our insurance. What's a reasonable 
replacement cost for a DB-224E? I can't seem to find anything on the 
internet that I'd be willing to put on the insurance form... the 
prices seem to vary pretty wildly.


Thanks,

Mike
WM4B




--
Smart pills are placebos, you can't fix stupid.





Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 Price?

2009-04-10 Thread Lee Pennington
Mike,
I only gave you the approximate price of the antenna, like you said,
equipment and shipping prices widely vary depending on the source. Happy
Hunting!!
de Lee

73K4LJP

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Mike (WM4B) Besemer mwbese...@cox.netwrote:



 I'm trying to get an equipment list together for our club secretary so he
 can add new items to our insurance. What's a reasonable replacement cost for
 a DB-224E? I can't seem to find anything on the internet that I'd be willing
 to put on the insurance form... the prices seem to vary pretty wildly.

 Thanks,

 Mike
 WM4B

  




-- 
Smart pills are placebos, you can't fix stupid.


RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola R56 grounding

2009-04-10 Thread Eric Lemmon
When lightning strikes a structure, it causes a current pulse to flow, and
that pulse has an extremely fast rise time- making it appear to be a
high-frequency signal in the MHz range.  A pulse of 200,000 amperes flowing
through a steel tower's impedance may allow a voltage gradient of several
thousand volts to appear along its length.  That is why all conductive metal
objects (ladders, window frames, HVAC ductwork, etc.) within six feet of a
down conductor must be cross-bonded to the lightning protection down
conductor to prevent side-flashes.

Extensive research on lightning conducted years ago by Dr. Phillip Krider at
Kennedy Space Center, FL and at Tucson, AZ, proved that magnetic forces
generated by the lightning current caused the current to flow mostly along
the outside corners of a square or triangular tower.  Relatively little
current flows through the bulk steel of a tower.  That is why you will find
the heavy copper down conductors placed along the outside corners of such
towers.  The details of this design can be found in NFPA 780, Standard for
the Installation of Lightning Protection Systems.

While it is true that the lightning protection system must have its own
grounding rods and interconnecting system, it is also true that the
lightning protection grounding system and the building electrical and
communication grounding system MUST be bonded together to create one
grounding system.  The NEC makes this requirement very clear in Article
250.106:  The lightning protection system ground terminals shall be bonded
to the building or structure grounding electrode system.  Failure to follow
this requirement to the letter can have disastrous and possibly tragic
consequences.

Readers of this thread may be surprised to learn that Article 810 of the NEC
applies to Radio and Television antenna systems, and to Amateur Radio
equipment.  It should be mandatory reading for any Ham who seeks to erect an
outdoor antenna system.  This Article covers grounding systems, surge
protection, building penetrations, and similar topics.  Definitely good
information.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wd8chl
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:22 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola R56 grounding



Eric Lemmon wrote:
 Bob,
 
 The reason is quite simple. If a fault (say, a short to the case) occurs
in
 a piece of equipment that is grounded per the NEC, the fault current-
which
 may be 100 amperes or more- flows from the service through the circuit
 protection device (fuse or circuit breaker) to the fault, and returns via
 the equipment grounding conductor (green wire) to the service. 
snip for brevity

The problem with all this is that, for lightning protection at a tower 
site, the ground for the arrestor should not run along the same path as 
the AC conduit, because it will be a much HIGHER impedance.
So while you need a proper ground within the service wiring, there also 
needs to be a good separate ground for lightning protection. Ideally, a 
bulkhead plate where the cable enters the building, but that's not 
always possible, especially at older sites. Next best is to mount the 
arrestor on the cabinet where the feedline enters, and run a large 
ground wire to the site ground in as short a run as possible, minimum 
bends, etc.
And I think lightning grounds is what R56 is more concerned with, more 
than service grounds.







Re: [Repeater-Builder] MVP or his cousin!!

2009-04-10 Thread gervais
ok Éric
i will be back with what you need for identification.
qrx
gervais ve2ckn


--
From: Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:01 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] MVP or his cousin!!

 Gervais,

 What is the model or combination number that appears on each radio's 
 label?

 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gervais
 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:42 AM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MVP or his cousin!!



 Hi all

 i have here 3 MVP,or his cousin (inside the board are exactlty like the 
 Exec
 2)
 that i dont need.
 i think they are in the 150 mhz and included are 3 duplexer INSIDE the
 radio's.
 i gaved them in the past and they have been return too me by US post
 wrong adress was gaven too me.
 So i still have them too spare.

 i cannot say they are not working but because they were use on a phone 
 link
 system i assume they are ok.

 so let me know your interest ,they are heavy remember.

 my postal code is G0L-1B0 in Quebec .
 73/s
 Gervais ve2ckn



 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range

2009-04-10 Thread Scott Zimmerman
Mike,

I'm not sure if this is the EXACT disc Mike was talking about, but here is 
Time Warp from Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra: 
http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/albums/Time-Warp/

This is where they have the disc and MP3's for sale. If you do a search for 
torrents, there are several available.

Scott

Scott Zimmerman
Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
474 Barnett Rd
Boswell, PA 15531

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Dietrich 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range (WAS: APCO P25 horror 
stories anyone?)





  Does anybody have a copy of this TIME WARP CD you are talking about, that 
they would share ?
  Sounds neet.
  Thanks in advance.
  Mike


- Original Message - 
From: Mark 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range (WAS: APCO P25 horror 
stories anyone?)


Mike,

Funny you should mention Telarc... I have the disc titled Time Warp
(Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra)

The disc has a prominent WARNING on the front label that read:
Warning! TIME WARP contains some of the most powerful signal content ever
released on a commercial recording. Please refer to the caution notice on
Page 10.

The Page 10 notice reads:
Telarc Digital Compact Discs, especially those containing substantially
wide dynamic range, will present an extraordinary challenge to all stereo
systems. Certain components - even the finest - may have problems with the
most demanding passages. *Damage could result to speakers or other
components if the musical program is played back at excessively high
levels..* WARNING! Lower levels are recommended for initial playback until
a safe level can be determined for your equipment.

The first musical passage, called Ascent, starts with what can best be
described as a SHARP thump/chime. A friend of mine bought the disk and
blew up out speakers the first time he played the disc... Apparently he
didn't heed the warning, eh? hehehehe

Over the years, my old stereo system has been retired, piece by piece. One
of the last to go were me matched pair of Utah HS1-C speakers. I hated to
see them go, but then again, my hearing isn't what is was back then,
either... so I can't appreciate them like I used to be able to. :-(

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ

Some thoughts that are even more slightly off topic...

1000 recordings to hear before you die
http://www.1000recordings.com/book/

And my stereo is also hollow-state mostly Heathkit but with new filter
caps.

I remember looking at the output of an early high-end CD player (Sony? I
forget) on a scope.
It had tremendous dynamic range. Much better then vinyl or even 7.5ips
magnetic tape. Totally wasted with todays music.

The only thing I could find that would max it out (i.e. run the output from
rail-to-rail) was a Telarc 1979 CD of the 1812 Overture featuring REAL
cannon. The CD case insert said that the producers were able to track down
some of the original type of cannon that would have been used then. And it
specifically warned that the recording could damage speakers. The Deutsche
Gramophone recording of the same piece is almost as good - both bottomed out
my subwoofers.

Around the 4th of July some years PBS shows the old WGBH tape of the 1990
(or so) Boston Pops 4th of July show. The later years have the show at night
but this is an late afternoon / early evening show and at the right point
you can see John Williams picking up a handheld
radio that he had on his music stand and cuing the Massachusetts National
Guard that was sitting on the far side of the Charles river with multiple
155mm howitzers firing blanks. Not quite the same, but very impressive.

They still do it - some years it's the Guard, other years it's the Army,
other years it's appropriate era cannon.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/antydiluvian/2178640689/

You can hear the cannons in this video of the last few minutes of the 2006
performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzL_BY39vf0
Unfortunately you can't see much.

Eleven civil war cannons (about a minute and a half)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSyOumYb0wY

The Japanese Ground Self-Defense Force Eastern Army Band and 1st Artillery
Unit use 105mm cannons:
(about 4 min)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-4SRvGUtn8
(watch the flagmen giving cues in the second round of shots)

BTW, how many folks know that the 1812 Overture (full title: Festival
Overture The Year 1812 in E flat major, Opus 49) is about France invading
Russia during the Napoleonic Wars? Despite being a staple 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range

2009-04-10 Thread Mark
That's the one I have.  Mike was talking about one featuring the 1812
Overture.

 

Mark - N9WYS

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com  On Behalf Of Scott Zimmerman

 

Mike,

 

I'm not sure if this is the EXACT disc Mike was talking about, but here is
Time Warp from Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra:
http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/albums/Time-Warp/

 

This is where they have the disc and MP3's for sale. If you do a search for
torrents, there are several available.


Scott

 

Scott Zimmerman
Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
474 Barnett Rd
Boswell, PA 15531

- Original Message - 

From: Mike Dietrich mailto:m.dietr...@peoplepc.com  

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:11 PM

Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range (WAS: APCO P25 horror
stories anyone?)

 

Does anybody have a copy of this TIME WARP CD you are talking about, that
they would share ?

Sounds neet.

Thanks in advance.

Mike

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Mark mailto:n9...@ameritech.net  

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:51 PM

Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range (WAS: APCO P25 horror
stories anyone?)

 

Mike,

Funny you should mention Telarc... I have the disc titled Time Warp
(Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra)

The disc has a prominent WARNING on the front label that read:
Warning! TIME WARP contains some of the most powerful signal content ever
released on a commercial recording. Please refer to the caution notice on
Page 10.

The Page 10 notice reads:
Telarc Digital Compact Discs, especially those containing substantially
wide dynamic range, will present an extraordinary challenge to all stereo
systems. Certain components - even the finest - may have problems with the
most demanding passages. *Damage could result to speakers or other
components if the musical program is played back at excessively high
levels..* WARNING! Lower levels are recommended for initial playback until
a safe level can be determined for your equipment.

The first musical passage, called Ascent, starts with what can best be
described as a SHARP thump/chime. A friend of mine bought the disk and
blew up out speakers the first time he played the disc... Apparently he
didn't heed the warning, eh? hehehehe

Over the years, my old stereo system has been retired, piece by piece. One
of the last to go were me matched pair of Utah HS1-C speakers. I hated to
see them go, but then again, my hearing isn't what is was back then,
either... so I can't appreciate them like I used to be able to. :-(

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ

Some thoughts that are even more slightly off topic...

1000 recordings to hear before you die
http://www.1000recordings.com/book/

And my stereo is also hollow-state mostly Heathkit but with new filter
caps.

I remember looking at the output of an early high-end CD player (Sony? I
forget) on a scope.
It had tremendous dynamic range. Much better then vinyl or even 7.5ips
magnetic tape. Totally wasted with todays music.

The only thing I could find that would max it out (i.e. run the output from
rail-to-rail) was a Telarc 1979 CD of the 1812 Overture featuring REAL
cannon. The CD case insert said that the producers were able to track down
some of the original type of cannon that would have been used then. And it
specifically warned that the recording could damage speakers. The Deutsche
Gramophone recording of the same piece is almost as good - both bottomed out
my subwoofers.

Around the 4th of July some years PBS shows the old WGBH tape of the 1990
(or so) Boston Pops 4th of July show. The later years have the show at night
but this is an late afternoon / early evening show and at the right point
you can see John Williams picking up a handheld
radio that he had on his music stand and cuing the Massachusetts National
Guard that was sitting on the far side of the Charles river with multiple
155mm howitzers firing blanks. Not quite the same, but very impressive.

They still do it - some years it's the Guard, other years it's the Army,
other years it's appropriate era cannon.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/antydiluvian/2178640689/

You can hear the cannons in this video of the last few minutes of the 2006
performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzL_BY39vf0
Unfortunately you can't see much.

Eleven civil war cannons (about a minute and a half)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSyOumYb0wY

The Japanese Ground Self-Defense Force Eastern Army Band and 1st Artillery
Unit use 105mm cannons:
(about 4 min)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-4SRvGUtn8
(watch the flagmen giving cues in the second round of shots)

BTW, how many folks know that the 1812 Overture (full title: Festival
Overture The Year 1812 in E flat major, Opus 49) is about France invading
Russia during the Napoleonic Wars? Despite being a staple 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus

2009-04-10 Thread Dennis Wade
I was amazed at how many thought it might be real.

See the link below for the press release on the matter by San Luis
Obispo county government.

http://www.slocounty.ca.gov/AssetFactory.aspx?did=19840

End of story.

 Dennis

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Mark Tomany n9...@ameritech.net wrote:


 That's OK - it got me too.

 There's just enough of a ring of truth (considering this supposedly
 occurred in California) to make it sound plausible.

 Mark - N9WYS





-- 
Dennis L. Wade
KG6ZI
Carmichael, CA


[Repeater-Builder] Re: Running DOS Programs on an XP or Vista (Windows) Computer.

2009-04-10 Thread skipp025
Re: Running DOS Programs on an XP or Vista (Windows) Computer. 

April 9, 2009   skipp025 at yahoo.com 

Hello Sailors, 

Let me share what I've found to be one of the more practical methods 
to operate some (not all) DOS Radio Programs on a Windows XP or Vista OS 
Computers. Please keep in mind there probably are a modest number 
of possible paths to reach a similar end result. Right now I don't 
want to burn a lot of time going into very minor detail. Please 
accept this overview as the method I used to receive predictable, 
useful end results. 

Notable requirements: 

1 A computer capable of booting from a USB port, configured in bios 
as an external hard drive. The computer is configured to boot to the 
external USB flash/thumb drive as the first boot device.

2 A USB thumb drive, suggested size would be 2GB. I would caution 
against using really large capacity USB drives to avoid potential 
hardware conflicts I will not try to explain at this time. 

A utility was used to format (where required) and make the 
flash/thumb drive bootable in with DOS 5.0. Classic DOS Plain-Jane 
Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files were made and installed on 
the Flash (thumb)*. You must of course supply your own copy of DOS.

DOS based Radio Software is pre-loaded onto the thumb drive. Don't 
expect normal operation from the computers floppy or CD-Rom while 
booted to the USB Flash Drive. I would hope but not expect the 
floppy drive to function. 

The computer is power on re-started (booted) to the flash/thumb 
drive. Radio software is opened, installed and or configured (paths 
and selected com ports). 

Test each of the installed software packages for proper operation. 
NOT ALL DOS RADIO SOFTWARE WORKS USING THIS method. 

The below DOS programs run on almost any PC that will boot from a 
DOS bootable flash drive.

Mastr 2E and Mastr 3/3-P25 Control Shelf
Mastr 2E/3/3-P25 MS Edit

These DOS programs run from Virtual PC or DOS bootable flash drive.

GEPCGE S825 SprectraMSF5000
MT1000  MPA SyntorX 9000

This DOS program will not run on all, but will run on many PC's that 
will boot from the flash drive.

MT2000

These two programs will run only on an older PC, such as the 
Toshiba Satellite 110 with Windows 95.

Midland XTR  8 CH Mobiles  Midland SYN-Tech II Mobiles

These DOS programs have been replaced with current – available Windows based 
programs.

GE OrionKenwood KingAstro
MTS2000 DX  Sprectra Engineering 

  

Below is a copy of the autoexec.bat file used on the flash drive. 
Although shown, the CD Rom drivers were not completely installed 
or tested. 

[autoexec.bat file contents just below]

echo off
cls
prompt $p$g
path=c:\;c:\dos


[config.sys file contents just below] 

device=c:\dos\setver.exe
device=c:\dos\himem.sys
rem device=c:\dos\emm386.exe ram
files=30
buffers=30
dos=high,umb
shell=c:\dos\command.com c:\ /p /e:1024 


 

We also have a similar project using a virtual hard disk on the 
same XP Machine (computer), but the end results are less optimal 
versus using an external flash – thumb drive. I was not expecting 
the external flash drive solution to work as well as it looks. 
But of course I'm still sorting out glitches. 

I'll be happy to provide additional details as time allows. Your 
results will vary... 

Cheers,
skipp 





RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-750

2009-04-10 Thread Randy Brumback
I do not know for sure what version it is but it must be Version 1 as I can’t 
find anything saying version 2. I use KPG 66d for the software. I think the 
later version uses kpg 91 for something like that. If I just turn the repeater 
on and not hold the pf-1 key then I get the screen for channel entry.  I would 
like to know if there is a firmware upgrade and how it is done. It surely can’t 
be done through 66d as it says there is a connection error. I am thinking maybe 
since the frequency is so low that I may have to bring other things inline 
before I can get 8 volts.  Tell me one thing……..is there an led somewhere that 
tells me if it is locked on frequency or unlocked?

Randy

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of NORM KNAPP
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:50 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-750

 

Sounds like you have a K-1 alright. 
Firmware is kinda like BIOS. 
Holding dowd PF-1 while powering up puts it into FIRMWARE program mode. The 
number of decimals or periods showing on the display tell you what baud rate to 
program the firmware in at. Now, do you have a version 1 or 2 radio? What KPG 
software are you using? 
I must say I am a bit surprised you cannot get the VCO voltage to 8 volts, but 
5 should be ok anyway. 

- Original Message - 
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com  Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com  
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com  Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com  
Sent: Tue Apr 07 19:42:31 2009 
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-750 

It only says K-1. Goes from 146.000 to 174.000 or something near that. I am 
confused at what the manual calls firmware. Is that like bios in a computer or 
does it also take in programming the channels. Also the manual talks about 
holding PF1 while turning on the repeater to put it in programming mode. If I 
do that, then I can’t get the software to work. If I just turn on the computer 
without holding anything, then the software will work. Then there is also 
reference to K,E. Is E just another model? Anyway, what do I need to do to get 
the test points up to 8 volts? About 5 is the highest I can get. The repeater 
was originally on a frequency in the high 150’s. 

Randy 



From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com  
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of NORM KNAPP 
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:59 PM 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com  
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-750 



Are you tuning the TX or the RX VCO? The K and the K2 overlap coverage from 146 
to 150mhz. From what I understand the RX pre-select really determines freq 
coverage on those models. 

- Original Message - 
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com  
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com  
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com  
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com  
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com  
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Sent: Tue Apr 07 12:57:47 2009 
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-750 

At 10:18 AM 4/7/2009, Randy Brumback wrote: 

I need to tune the VCO for my amateur frequency in the TKR-750. Does 
this unit need to be hooked to the computer and set in some way 
before tuning? I am at the very low end of what the repeater will 
program to at 147.060 and I can't get the right voltage on the Test 
Point by tuning the capacitor. The voltage is well below what it should be. 
 
 

---Must not be a K2 version. Is it a K? 

But no, it does not need to be connected to a PC in order to align it 

Ken 
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[Repeater-Builder]Pinnacle Towers

2009-04-10 Thread radio5000
Anybody have a good contact at Pinnacle? I am looking for someone to deal  
with that is Public Safety friendly (insert laughter here). A local  
business may be discontinuing the use of their system, I would like to  get the 
spot- if I can afford it. (insert more laughter here).
 
Thanks
 
Will 
**Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 
or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001)


Re: [Repeater-Builder] MVP or his cousin!!

2009-04-10 Thread gervais
eric
here what i can read on the back plate of the radio:

Eu-CT56AAS66A
KT-134-A
ER-92-A
Serial 8020633

inside there are those Duplexer

res-Lok
Model SD-220
Serial Q3242-43
receive 152.66
tx is 157.950

can it help?

gervais ve2ckn


--
From: Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:01 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] MVP or his cousin!!

 Gervais,

 What is the model or combination number that appears on each radio's 
 label?

 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gervais
 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:42 AM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MVP or his cousin!!



 Hi all

 i have here 3 MVP,or his cousin (inside the board are exactlty like the 
 Exec
 2)
 that i dont need.
 i think they are in the 150 mhz and included are 3 duplexer INSIDE the
 radio's.
 i gaved them in the past and they have been return too me by US post
 wrong adress was gaven too me.
 So i still have them too spare.

 i cannot say they are not working but because they were use on a phone 
 link
 system i assume they are ok.

 so let me know your interest ,they are heavy remember.

 my postal code is G0L-1B0 in Quebec .
 73/s
 Gervais ve2ckn



 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running DOS Programs on an XP or Vista (Windows) Computer.

2009-04-10 Thread Henry Wingate
I was making a similar flash drive based DOS to be able to use the DOS 
CT logging program on Field Day using modern laptops. When I ran the 
FDISK utility to partition the flash drive it also partitioned the hard 
drive in the computer I was using , effectively wiping out everything I 
had on the disk. So, be careful.
Henry, K4HAL

skipp025 wrote:
 Re: Running DOS Programs on an XP or Vista (Windows) Computer. 

 April 9, 2009 skipp025 at yahoo.com 

 Hello Sailors, 

 Let me share what I've found to be one of the more practical methods 
 to operate some (not all) DOS Radio Programs on a Windows XP or Vista OS 
 Computers. Please keep in mind there probably are a modest number 
 of possible paths to reach a similar end result. Right now I don't 
 want to burn a lot of time going into very minor detail. Please 
 accept this overview as the method I used to receive predictable, 
 useful end results. 

 Notable requirements: 

 1 A computer capable of booting from a USB port, configured in bios 
 as an external hard drive. The computer is configured to boot to the 
 external USB flash/thumb drive as the first boot device.

 2 A USB thumb drive, suggested size would be 2GB. I would caution 
 against using really large capacity USB drives to avoid potential 
 hardware conflicts I will not try to explain at this time. 

 A utility was used to format (where required) and make the 
 flash/thumb drive bootable in with DOS 5.0. Classic DOS Plain-Jane 
 Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files were made and installed on 
 the Flash (thumb)*. You must of course supply your own copy of DOS.

 DOS based Radio Software is pre-loaded onto the thumb drive. Don't 
 expect normal operation from the computers floppy or CD-Rom while 
 booted to the USB Flash Drive. I would hope but not expect the 
 floppy drive to function. 

 The computer is power on re-started (booted) to the flash/thumb 
 drive. Radio software is opened, installed and or configured (paths 
 and selected com ports). 

 Test each of the installed software packages for proper operation. 
 NOT ALL DOS RADIO SOFTWARE WORKS USING THIS method. 

 The below DOS programs run on almost any PC that will boot from a 
 DOS bootable flash drive.

 Mastr 2E and Mastr 3/3-P25 Control Shelf
 Mastr 2E/3/3-P25 MS Edit

 These DOS programs run from Virtual PC or DOS bootable flash drive.

 GEPCGE S825 SprectraMSF5000
 MT1000  MPA SyntorX 9000

 This DOS program will not run on all, but will run on many PC's that 
 will boot from the flash drive.

 MT2000

 These two programs will run only on an older PC, such as the 
 Toshiba Satellite 110 with Windows 95.

 Midland XTR  8 CH Mobiles  Midland SYN-Tech II Mobiles

 These DOS programs have been replaced with current – available Windows based 
 programs.

 GE Orion  Kenwood KingAstro
 MTS2000   DX  Sprectra Engineering 

   

 Below is a copy of the autoexec.bat file used on the flash drive. 
 Although shown, the CD Rom drivers were not completely installed 
 or tested. 

 [autoexec.bat file contents just below]

 echo off
 cls
 prompt $p$g
 path=c:\;c:\dos


 [config.sys file contents just below] 

 device=c:\dos\setver.exe
 device=c:\dos\himem.sys
 rem device=c:\dos\emm386.exe ram
 files=30
 buffers=30
 dos=high,umb
 shell=c:\dos\command.com c:\ /p /e:1024 


  

 We also have a similar project using a virtual hard disk on the 
 same XP Machine (computer), but the end results are less optimal 
 versus using an external flash – thumb drive. I was not expecting 
 the external flash drive solution to work as well as it looks. 
 But of course I'm still sorting out glitches. 

 I'll be happy to provide additional details as time allows. Your 
 results will vary... 

 Cheers,
 skipp 





 
   







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Re: [Repeater-Builder]Pinnacle Towers

2009-04-10 Thread Maire-Radios
and in what area is this?

also Pinnacle has been bought out by Crown Castle.

like me know the area I may have a number.


  - Original Message - 
  From: radio5...@aol.com 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:31 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder]Pinnacle Towers






  Anybody have a good contact at Pinnacle? I am looking for someone to deal 
with that is Public Safety friendly (insert laughter here). A local business 
may be discontinuing the use of their system, I would like to get the spot- if 
I can afford it. (insert more laughter here).

  Thanks

  Will 


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  Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. 

  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running DOS Programs on an XP or Vista (Windows) Computer.

2009-04-10 Thread Rick Szajkowski
All the computer I used I do a dual boot .. Dos Windows and Linux  it is
really simple to do ..

Rick

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Henry Wingate k4...@charter.net wrote:

 I was making a similar flash drive based DOS to be able to use the DOS
 CT logging program on Field Day using modern laptops. When I ran the
 FDISK utility to partition the flash drive it also partitioned the hard
 drive in the computer I was using , effectively wiping out everything I
 had on the disk. So, be careful.
 Henry, K4HAL

 skipp025 wrote:
  Re: Running DOS Programs on an XP or Vista (Windows) Computer.
 
  April 9, 2009 skipp025 at yahoo.com
 
  Hello Sailors,
 
  Let me share what I've found to be one of the more practical methods
  to operate some (not all) DOS Radio Programs on a Windows XP or Vista OS
 Computers. Please keep in mind there probably are a modest number
  of possible paths to reach a similar end result. Right now I don't
  want to burn a lot of time going into very minor detail. Please
  accept this overview as the method I used to receive predictable,
  useful end results.
 
  Notable requirements:
 
  1 A computer capable of booting from a USB port, configured in bios
  as an external hard drive. The computer is configured to boot to the
  external USB flash/thumb drive as the first boot device.
 
  2 A USB thumb drive, suggested size would be 2GB. I would caution
  against using really large capacity USB drives to avoid potential
  hardware conflicts I will not try to explain at this time.
 
  A utility was used to format (where required) and make the
  flash/thumb drive bootable in with DOS 5.0. Classic DOS Plain-Jane
  Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files were made and installed on
  the Flash (thumb)*. You must of course supply your own copy of DOS.
 
  DOS based Radio Software is pre-loaded onto the thumb drive. Don't
  expect normal operation from the computers floppy or CD-Rom while
  booted to the USB Flash Drive. I would hope but not expect the
  floppy drive to function.
 
  The computer is power on re-started (booted) to the flash/thumb
  drive. Radio software is opened, installed and or configured (paths
  and selected com ports).
 
  Test each of the installed software packages for proper operation.
  NOT ALL DOS RADIO SOFTWARE WORKS USING THIS method.
 
  The below DOS programs run on almost any PC that will boot from a
  DOS bootable flash drive.
 
  Mastr 2E and Mastr 3/3-P25 Control Shelf
  Mastr 2E/3/3-P25 MS Edit
 
  These DOS programs run from Virtual PC or DOS bootable flash drive.
 
  GEPCGE S825 SprectraMSF5000
  MT1000  MPA SyntorX 9000
 
  This DOS program will not run on all, but will run on many PC's that
  will boot from the flash drive.
 
  MT2000
 
  These two programs will run only on an older PC, such as the
  Toshiba Satellite 110 with Windows 95.
 
  Midland XTR  8 CH Mobiles  Midland SYN-Tech II Mobiles
 
  These DOS programs have been replaced with current – available Windows
 based programs.
 
  GE Orion  Kenwood KingAstro
  MTS2000   DX  Sprectra Engineering
 
  
 
  Below is a copy of the autoexec.bat file used on the flash drive.
  Although shown, the CD Rom drivers were not completely installed
  or tested.
 
  [autoexec.bat file contents just below]
 
  echo off
  cls
  prompt $p$g
  path=c:\;c:\dos
 
 
  [config.sys file contents just below]
 
  device=c:\dos\setver.exe
  device=c:\dos\himem.sys
  rem device=c:\dos\emm386.exe ram
  files=30
  buffers=30
  dos=high,umb
  shell=c:\dos\command.com c:\ /p /e:1024
 
 
  
 
  We also have a similar project using a virtual hard disk on the
  same XP Machine (computer), but the end results are less optimal
  versus using an external flash – thumb drive. I was not expecting
  the external flash drive solution to work as well as it looks.
  But of course I'm still sorting out glitches.
 
  I'll be happy to provide additional details as time allows. Your
  results will vary...
 
  Cheers,
  skipp
 
 
 
 
 
  
 



 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running DOS Programs on an XP or Vista (Windows) Computer.

2009-04-10 Thread Brian Raker
I recently had to dig up an old Toshiba Satellite Pro T2150CDT
(486DX4-75) for use with Moto RSS programs.  I use my ThinkPad 600x
(P3-600) w/ XP SP3 for Moto CPS and Icom CS software.  The ThinkPad
was too fast to work with RSS; it could never communicate with the RIB
or with RIBless cables.  I will be converting the Toshiba to a
CompactFlash C:\ drive with a IDE - CF adaptor so I don't have to
worry about an ancient harddrive dying and killing me.

I am using FreeDOS (http://www.freedos.org) in replacement of MS-DOS.
It's pretty much a straight replacement and is distributed for
**free** under the GPLv2 license.

-Brian

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Rick Szajkowski va3r...@gmail.com wrote:


 All the computer I used I do a dual boot .. Dos Windows and Linux  it is
 really simple to do ..

 Rick

 On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Henry Wingate k4...@charter.net wrote:

 I was making a similar flash drive based DOS to be able to use the DOS
 CT logging program on Field Day using modern laptops. When I ran the
 FDISK utility to partition the flash drive it also partitioned the hard
 drive in the computer I was using , effectively wiping out everything I
 had on the disk. So, be careful.
 Henry, K4HAL

 skipp025 wrote:
  Re: Running DOS Programs on an XP or Vista (Windows) Computer.
 
  April 9, 2009                                 skipp025 at yahoo.com
 
  Hello Sailors,
 
  Let me share what I've found to be one of the more practical methods
  to operate some (not all) DOS Radio Programs on a Windows XP or Vista OS
  Computers. Please keep in mind there probably are a modest number
  of possible paths to reach a similar end result. Right now I don't
  want to burn a lot of time going into very minor detail. Please
  accept this overview as the method I used to receive predictable,
  useful end results.
 
  Notable requirements:
 
  1 A computer capable of booting from a USB port, configured in bios
  as an external hard drive. The computer is configured to boot to the
  external USB flash/thumb drive as the first boot device.
 
  2 A USB thumb drive, suggested size would be 2GB. I would caution
  against using really large capacity USB drives to avoid potential
  hardware conflicts I will not try to explain at this time.
 
  A utility was used to format (where required) and make the
  flash/thumb drive bootable in with DOS 5.0. Classic DOS Plain-Jane
  Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files were made and installed on
  the Flash (thumb)*. You must of course supply your own copy of DOS.
 
  DOS based Radio Software is pre-loaded onto the thumb drive. Don't
  expect normal operation from the computers floppy or CD-Rom while
  booted to the USB Flash Drive. I would hope but not expect the
  floppy drive to function.
 
  The computer is power on re-started (booted) to the flash/thumb
  drive. Radio software is opened, installed and or configured (paths
  and selected com ports).
 
  Test each of the installed software packages for proper operation.
  NOT ALL DOS RADIO SOFTWARE WORKS USING THIS method.
 
  The below DOS programs run on almost any PC that will boot from a
  DOS bootable flash drive.
 
  Mastr 2E and Mastr 3/3-P25 Control Shelf
  Mastr 2E/3/3-P25 MS Edit
 
  These DOS programs run from Virtual PC or DOS bootable flash drive.
 
  GEPC            GE S825         Sprectra        MSF5000
  MT1000          MPA             SyntorX 9000
 
  This DOS program will not run on all, but will run on many PC's that
  will boot from the flash drive.
 
  MT2000
 
  These two programs will run only on an older PC, such as the
  Toshiba Satellite 110 with Windows 95.
 
  Midland XTR  8 CH Mobiles      Midland SYN-Tech II Mobiles
 
  These DOS programs have been replaced with current – available Windows
  based programs.
 
  GE Orion              Kenwood         King            Astro
  MTS2000               DX                      Sprectra Engineering
 
      
 
  Below is a copy of the autoexec.bat file used on the flash drive.
  Although shown, the CD Rom drivers were not completely installed
  or tested.
 
  [autoexec.bat file contents just below]
 
  echo off
  cls
  prompt $p$g
  path=c:\;c:\dos
 
 
  [config.sys file contents just below]
 
  device=c:\dos\setver.exe
  device=c:\dos\himem.sys
  rem device=c:\dos\emm386.exe ram
  files=30
  buffers=30
  dos=high,umb
  shell=c:\dos\command.com c:\ /p /e:1024
 
 
      
 
  We also have a similar project using a virtual hard disk on the
  same XP Machine (computer), but the end results are less optimal
  versus using an external flash – thumb drive. I was not expecting
  the external flash drive solution to work as well as it looks.
  But of course I'm still sorting out glitches.
 
  I'll be happy to provide additional details as time allows. Your
  results will vary...
 
  Cheers,
  skipp
 
 
 
 
 
  
 



 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-750

2009-04-10 Thread NORM KNAPP
If the repeater pll was unlocked, you probably get E1 or E3 on the display 
along with a continous beeep.
I have firmware that will work with your repeater. It basically changes the 
courtesy tone so that it sounds with COR drop and not hang time drop.
If you are using KPG-66D, the I am pretty sure you have a version 1.

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I do not know for sure what version it is but it must be Version 1 as I can’t 
find anything saying version 2. I use KPG 66d for the software. I think the 
later version uses kpg 91 for something like that. If I just turn the repeater 
on and not hold the pf-1 key then I get the screen for channel entry.  I would 
like to know if there is a firmware upgrade and how it is done. It surely can’t 
be done through 66d as it says there is a connection error. I am thinking maybe 
since the frequency is so low that I may have to bring other things inline 
before I can get 8 volts.  Tell me one thing……..is there an led somewhere that 
tells me if it is locked on frequency or unlocked?

Randy

 

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Sounds like you have a K-1 alright. 
Firmware is kinda like BIOS. 
Holding dowd PF-1 while powering up puts it into FIRMWARE program mode. The 
number of decimals or periods showing on the display tell you what baud rate to 
program the firmware in at. Now, do you have a version 1 or 2 radio? What KPG 
software are you using? 
I must say I am a bit surprised you cannot get the VCO voltage to 8 volts, but 
5 should be ok anyway. 

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It only says K-1. Goes from 146.000 to 174.000 or something near that. I am 
confused at what the manual calls firmware. Is that like bios in a computer or 
does it also take in programming the channels. Also the manual talks about 
holding PF1 while turning on the repeater to put it in programming mode. If I 
do that, then I can’t get the software to work. If I just turn on the computer 
without holding anything, then the software will work. Then there is also 
reference to K,E. Is E just another model? Anyway, what do I need to do to get 
the test points up to 8 volts? About 5 is the highest I can get. The repeater 
was originally on a frequency in the high 150’s. 

Randy 



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Are you tuning the TX or the RX VCO? The K and the K2 overlap coverage from 146 
to 150mhz. From what I understand the RX pre-select really determines freq 
coverage on those models. 

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At 10:18 AM 4/7/2009, Randy Brumback wrote: 

I need to tune the VCO for my amateur frequency in the TKR-750. Does 
this unit need to be hooked to the computer and set in some way 
before tuning? I am at the very low end of what the repeater will 
program to at 147.060 and I can't get the right voltage on the Test 
Point by tuning the capacitor. The voltage is well below what it should be. 
 
 

---Must not be a K2 version. Is it a K? 

But no, it does not need to be connected to a PC in order to align it 

Ken 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Running DOS Programs on an XP or Vista (Windows) Computer.

2009-04-10 Thread jeffcarlyle
Skipp,

Will you be doing a detailed posting of this information?  I can only speak for 
myself, but I'm not that computer literate, so if you could make a dummies 
version I know I would greatly appreciate it!!

Regards,
Jeff

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 Re: Running DOS Programs on an XP or Vista (Windows) Computer. 
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder]Pinnacle Towers

2009-04-10 Thread radio5000
North West Florida- Panhandle
 
Thanks for the help
 
 
In a message dated 4/10/2009 7:02:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
maire-rad...@verizon.net writes:

and in what area is  this?
 
also Pinnacle has been  bought out by Crown Castle.
 
like me know the area I  may have a number.
 


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RE: [Repeater-Builder]Pinnacle Towers

2009-04-10 Thread de W5DK
I would be curious to hear what temperature response you get. We are on a
site owned by CC and need to do some feed line / ant work and need to make a
first time contact after they acquired the site

 

Don Kirchner W5DK

 

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North West Florida- Panhandle

 

Thanks for the help

 

In a message dated 4/10/2009 7:02:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
maire-rad...@verizon.net writes:

and in what area is this?

 

also Pinnacle has been bought out by Crown Castle.

 

like me know the area I may have a number.

 

 

  _  

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http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001  dinner for
$10 or less.










Re: [Repeater-Builder]Pinnacle Towers

2009-04-10 Thread radio5000
I will be sure to pass on the response.
 
 
In a message dated 4/10/2009 9:54:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
w...@gvtc.com writes:

I would be  curious to hear what temperature response you get. We are on a 
site owned by  CC and need to do some feed line / ant work and need to make 
a first time  contact after they acquired the site 
Don Kirchner  W5DK 
 
 
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North West  Florida- Panhandle
 

 
Thanks for the  help
 

 
 
In a message  dated 4/10/2009 7:02:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
maire-rad...@in a message  da

 
and  in what area is this?
 

 
also  Pinnacle has been bought out by Crown Castle.
 

 
like  me know the area I may have a number.
 







**Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 
or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001)