[Repeater-Builder] Tait T800 Series II

2010-06-04 Thread Marcus
Does anyone here have a T800 Series II Repeater for sale, or for sale soon and 
if so what price would it be going for, prefer with program cable and software

or else if not

does anyone have 2 x T2000 - 80 line interface kits going at a reasonable price

i could therefore convert 2 trunk units into a mini repeater

Marcus




Re: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic (religious or other) posts - please read.

2009-11-22 Thread Marcus

here here i agree,
shove the cristianty to where it 
belongs,,,this is NOT IT


yes you got it, im not christian, and i don't give to rats toss for it, 
say what you like, i DONT CARE shove it up where the clouds meet the 
sky , this group is for repeaters and the like


i love this group for the group that it is, Radio Telephone and the alike

not how many friggin watts i can pump out my church thumping door 
slamming bible bashing Motorola Second edition Gordon ramsey F* 
you G* the friggin H out of my church


if no one likes what i have just said tough luck

Harden up get a life, theres more to life that that crap

kick me,moderate me,  ban i don't care, i like the group for what it is, 
not what a few idiots want it to be


please bring on more Repeater and R/T problems, this is how i better 
myself, not your way, but ,,,MY WAY,,,



Marcus


Kevin Custer wrote:
 


I asked once already for everyone to stop the threads where OT posts are
concerned - many didn't listen.

I'll ask once more - please do NOT post about this OT subject again.

If I cannot gain the respect of those continuing to post, I WILL SHUT
THE LIST OFF for a few awhile and we'll have a nice vacation. Those
continuing with the OT posts will be promptly banned - period.

Thank you for your consideration,
Kevin Custer
List Owner




Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: uniden key

2009-11-22 Thread Marcus
Having looked at the web site for those locks. i wonder if the lock is 
not any different to a standard Lockwood padlock


Marcus


lenaw12 wrote:
 

And if that doesn't work (which is hard to believe)...my daughter is 
stationed in Okinawa and I could have her go to the local locksmith 
assuming they have those there.


She could grab a handful of blanks and someone could distribute them 
to interested parties.


LW

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon 
wb6...@... wrote:


 Kevin,

 The chances are good that at least one domestic key made for file 
cabinets,
 storage lockers, and screen or garage door locks will slide easily 
into the

 Takigen lock on a Uniden radio. Once such a key blank is found, the cuts
 from a genuine Uniden radio key can be cut into that blank and- Voila!

 Rather than trying to track down the exact Takigen key or key blank, 
perhaps

 a better plan is to take either the Uniden lock mechanism- or the whole
 radio unit if necessary- to a good lock shop, so that the locksmith 
can try
 a number of standard key blanks to find the one or more that fits 
into the
 lock. Then, the genuine Takigen key can be decoded using standard 
key cut
 procedures to determine the proper notch depths. Once this is done, 
we can
 post the results for all to see and benefit from. Give a locksmith 
data of
 the form Cuts 3-1-6-4-2 on an ILCO X239B blank will result in a 
key that

 works.

 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY




Re: [Repeater-Builder] Programming Software for Standard GX3000 radios

2009-11-15 Thread Marcus
actualy there is a good idea, never saw that myself, i to am looking for 
some Backup software if anyone has for Programming the Tait T800 series

RAR or Zip'd either, please just don't PW it


Marcus


w9nwn wrote:
 

Just checking to see if anyone might have a copy of the programming 
software for the old Standard GX-3000 series of radios. I can get my 
hands on a E-prom burner and even a old computer to run the software 
on but need the software first. Otherwise I will just use the mfor 
door stops.


Thanks,

Doug W9NWN




Re: [SPAM] [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB

2009-11-14 Thread Marcus

you cannot, as yahoo is C**p

i use Gmail for my emailing attachments



wb6dgn wrote:
 

HOW THE H*** DOES ONE ADD THE ATTACHMENT TO THE POST. AS USUAL, THIS 
YAHOO CRAP IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT. THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER 
HOST THAN THIS JOKE!

Tom A.

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com, wb6dgn tallins...@... 
wrote:


 If I can figure out how to do it right, I have a scan from the ARRL
 Handbook form 1961 and also the License Manual from 1961. Both list the
 frequency assignments for the various license classes. You will see
 that, for Technician Class license, the 2meter assignment was 145 to 147
 Mc. NOT 144 to 148 as some have stated. If the attachment, titled
 ARRL1961 doesn't show up, would a moderator please explain more clearly
 than yahoo, how to send it.
 Tom DGN
 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com, MCH mch@ wrote:

 
  I believe the OP is essentially correct. The 2M sub-band didn't come
  until much later - I was thinking it was the late 70s, but it could
 have
  been the early 80s.
 
  Your point was why the 146 MHz pairs were more popular - because the
  techs could not use the 147 MHz pairs.
 
  The 146 MHz segment was originally 60 kHz channels (146.610, 146.670,
  146.730, Etc.), then went to 30 kHz in most areas - going to 20 kHz
  channels in some, then the 30 kHz was again broken down into 15 kHz
  channels. The sub-band was always 20 kHz until some areas changed
 that, too.
 
  Check out some of the older RDs for more info. Some of the early 70s
  ones even listed the Input/Output modulation, such as 5/5 or 15/5 or
  15/15 (meaning deviation in / deviation out).
 
  Joe M.
 
  wb6dgn wrote:
  
   duh-because when repeaters were first authorized for 2M, they were
 only
   allowed from 146 to 148. 144.5-145.5 didn't come into existence
 until
   the 80's.
  
   Close, but not exactly. When repeaters first came to be used on the
 ham bands in the late '50s/early '60s the 2m band from 144 to 148 Mc was
 only available to General class licensees and above. Novice (yes,
 Novice had some 2m voice privileges at that time) and Technician
 licensees were only allowed to operate in the 2m band from 145 to 147
 Mc. Therefore if a repeater owner wanted to make his repeater available
 to the widest audience he had to keep both input and output within the
 145 to 147 range. Interestingly, there was a repeater in the S. F. Bay
 area (somewhere down the Peninsula, I believe, maybe Stanford) that did
 have it's input and output on 144 and 147+ with the clearly stated
 reason that Novices and Techs. were not welcome. Never seemed to bother
 anyone I knew; that group carried on some pretty stuffy conversations
 anyway and there were enough 145 to 147 machines to go around including
 at least one AM repeater. However the only repeater at the time (tha
  t I
   know of) using 600Kc separation was the WB6AAE repeater in the
 foothills east of Oakland on Grizzly Peak. If they had a role in
 establishing the later standard, I have no idea
   Tom DGN
  
   --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com, wd8chl wd8chl@ wrote:

   Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis wrote:
   wonder why the fcc does not allow acssb above 30 mhz on the ham
 bands? seems
   to me they would want to promote more efficient modes through all
 the ham
   bands.
  
   another interesting thing would be to see 2 meter repeaters go to
 2 or 3 mhz
   splits and employ some form of efficient modulation mode instead
 of the same
   old 10 khz fm.
  
   and i am sure we will be all dead before this happens :)
  
   one can imagine though.
  
   better tx/rx isolation, cleaner signals, employ some form of
 narrow band
   modulation scheme and we could even ease congestion on 2 meters.
  
  
   i still can't imagine how the 600 khz split was decided for 2
 meters when
   there is room for at least a 2 mhz split.
  
  
   duh-because when repeaters were first authorized for 2M, they were
 only
   allowed from 146 to 148. 144.5-145.5 didn't come into existence
 until
   the 80's.
  
   No-2M is too populated to do any changes. Not gonna happen until
 they
   just flat stop making FM gear. Not in my life time, not in your
 kids
   lifetimes, probably not in your grandkids lifetimes either.
  
   Same with the 150-174 LMR band...WAY to much gear out there to
 try
   to standardize input/output.
  
   Look at the bright side-at least the ham band HAS a standard. There
 is
   none in the LMR segment.
  
  
  
  
  
   
  
  
  
   Yahoo! Groups Links
  
  
  
  
  
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   Internal Virus Database is out of date.
   Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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 07/31/09 05:58:00
  
 





Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB

2009-11-14 Thread Marcus

ok so i was half right, but yahoo is still c**p



Ray Brown wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) #TopText from Ray Brown included below]


  Just trying something...
 
 
Ray, KB0STN
 
 


- Original Message -
*From:* Marcus mailto:arkwrights-st...@xtra.co.nz
*To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:35 PM
*Subject:* Re: [SPAM] [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB

you cannot, as yahoo is C**p

i use Gmail for my emailing attachments



wb6dgn wrote:
 


HOW THE H*** DOES ONE ADD THE ATTACHMENT TO THE POST. AS USUAL,
THIS YAHOO CRAP IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT. THERE'S GOT TO BE A
BETTER HOST THAN THIS JOKE!
Tom A.

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, wb6dgn
tallins...@... wrote:

 If I can figure out how to do it right, I have a scan from the ARRL
 Handbook form 1961 and also the License Manual from 1961. Both
list the
 frequency assignments for the various license classes. You will see
 that, for Technician Class license, the 2meter assignment was
145 to 147
 Mc. NOT 144 to 148 as some have stated. If the attachment, titled
 ARRL1961 doesn't show up, would a moderator please explain more
clearly
 than yahoo, how to send it.
 Tom DGN
 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com, MCH mch@ wrote:
 
  I believe the OP is essentially correct. The 2M sub-band
didn't come
  until much later - I was thinking it was the late 70s, but it
could
 have
  been the early 80s.
 
  Your point was why the 146 MHz pairs were more popular -
because the
  techs could not use the 147 MHz pairs.
 
  The 146 MHz segment was originally 60 kHz channels (146.610,
146.670,
  146.730, Etc.), then went to 30 kHz in most areas - going to
20 kHz
  channels in some, then the 30 kHz was again broken down into
15 kHz
  channels. The sub-band was always 20 kHz until some areas changed
 that, too.
 
  Check out some of the older RDs for more info. Some of the
early 70s
  ones even listed the Input/Output modulation, such as 5/5 or
15/5 or
  15/15 (meaning deviation in / deviation out).
 
  Joe M.
 
  wb6dgn wrote:
  
   duh-because when repeaters were first authorized for 2M,
they were
 only
   allowed from 146 to 148. 144.5-145.5 didn't come into existence
 until
   the 80's.
  
   Close, but not exactly. When repeaters first came to be
used on the
 ham bands in the late '50s/early '60s the 2m band from 144 to
148 Mc was
 only available to General class licensees and above. Novice (yes,
 Novice had some 2m voice privileges at that time) and Technician
 licensees were only allowed to operate in the 2m band from 145
to 147
 Mc. Therefore if a repeater owner wanted to make his repeater
available
 to the widest audience he had to keep both input and output
within the
 145 to 147 range. Interestingly, there was a repeater in the S.
F. Bay
 area (somewhere down the Peninsula, I believe, maybe Stanford)
that did
 have it's input and output on 144 and 147+ with the clearly stated
 reason that Novices and Techs. were not welcome. Never seemed
to bother
 anyone I knew; that group carried on some pretty stuffy
conversations
 anyway and there were enough 145 to 147 machines to go around
including
 at least one AM repeater. However the only repeater at the time
(tha
  t I
   know of) using 600Kc separation was the WB6AAE repeater in the
 foothills east of Oakland on Grizzly Peak. If they had a role in
 establishing the later standard, I have no idea
   Tom DGN
  
   --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com, wd8chl wd8chl@ wrote:
   Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis wrote:
   wonder why the fcc does not allow acssb above 30 mhz on
the ham
 bands? seems
   to me they would want to promote more efficient modes
through all
 the ham
   bands.
  
   another interesting thing would be to see 2 meter
repeaters go to
 2 or 3 mhz
   splits and employ some form of efficient modulation mode
instead
 of the same
   old 10 khz fm.
  
   and i am sure we will be all dead before this happens :)
  
   one can imagine though.
  
   better tx/rx isolation, cleaner signals, employ some form of
 narrow band
   modulation scheme and we could even ease congestion on 2
meters.
  
  
   i still can't imagine how the 600 khz split was decided for 2
 meters when
   there is room for at least a 2 mhz split.
  
  
   duh-because when repeaters were first

Re: [SPAM] [Repeater-Builder] re: mid-50's vintage Motorola trunk-mount

2009-11-14 Thread Marcus

i love those old style systems,

i have an old viabrator model car radio ( HMV )
pity you didn't live in NZ , id buy that unit off of you, just for it's 
nostelgia appeal


Marcus



skipp025 wrote:
 



 I have a mid-50's vintage Motorola trunk-mount (all
 tube, vibrator supply) in the garage with 34/94 in
 it still works, too!

Please seek professional help... tell the shrink there's
a boat-anchor in your soup.

s.




Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tait UHF Standby Repeater D-Band

2009-10-28 Thread Marcus

Also i am running the system up on 465.61244 RX and 470.79996 TX
and the Transmiter i am running is a Tait T856-24 with a T341 Tx Monitor
duplexor
T345 Receiver T343 Receiver Monitor + a text panel


Marcus


Gareth Bennett wrote:
 


Hi Marcus,
These come in all shapes and sizes, D band cavities are particularly 
hard to obtain at the best of times. Quite often cavities are not 
needed, especially if the Duplexer is a bandpass item.  these are 
usually added on a per site basis.
It's good housekeeping to have a bandpass filter system, generally as 
the Tait duplexers are notch devices only.
 
Cheers
 
Gareth Bennett
 
(- Original Message -


*From:* Marcus mailto:arkwrights-st...@xtra.co.nz
*To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2009 11:26 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tait UHF Standby Repeater D-Band

 


i have added your email addy to my address book in case i need any
more duplexors

what i need is a price first for a cavity filter or two

not a duplexor, nor a diplexor, nor a arieal, nor anything else

am just after a price and availibility of Cavity filters

Marcus



Gareth Bennett wrote:

 
Hi Marcus,
 
How many do you require, and what model Tait?
 
I have either T300 or T800 Series rackmount duplexers available
 
Cheers
 
 
Gareth Bennett
 
(- Original Message -


*From:* Marcus mailto:arkwrights-st...@xtra.co.nz
*To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2009 1:30 PM
*Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] Tait UHF Standby Repeater D-Band

 


is there anyone on this list that resides in NZ and if so/not
does
anyone have any Cavity filters, if so how much
i have a Tait Repeater running D-BAND it was a backup system

would like to get it running, forgive the contradiction, the
system is
fully operational, i would like to put it to some use

must be loads of points i have not mentioned, so if need be
fire away, i
shall answer all my old almost had it brain can conjur up

Marcus





Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tait UHF Standby Repeater D-Band

2009-10-28 Thread Marcus

yes i do have black faced 300 series

i also have a T346-03 Transmitter which is the same colour as the T856-24



Gareth Bennett wrote:
 


Marcus,
Do you realise that the Tait repeater that you have purchased has 50 
KHz channel spacing?
The T345 RX has a very different IF section compared to a 12.5 or 25 
KHz model T345 RX
You describe what probably was an ex Transpower radio link 
(Bearer) for protection signalling. The Transmitters were designed to 
run 10 Watts at 100% duty cycle. They were also configured as N+1 Hot 
standby links, hence the TX and RX monitor modules.
The T856-24 was a custom build by Tait Electronics for Transpower NZ, 
as the original T346 TX modules had lots of issues with P/A's etc and 
were deemed too unreliable, hence the swapout to a later T800 series TX.
If you are very unlucky, you have black faced T300 series equipment, 
The later stuff was straw colour, the same as the T800 radio.
 
They are not particularly friendly to convert back to a conventional 
voice repeater, especially without the proper manuals and test gear.
 
Cheers
 
Gareth Bennett
 


- Original Message -
*From:* Marcus mailto:arkwrights-st...@xtra.co.nz
*To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:04 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tait UHF Standby Repeater D-Band

 


Also i am running the system up on 465.61244 RX and 470.79996 TX
and the Transmiter i am running is a Tait T856-24 with a T341 Tx
Monitor
duplexor
T345 Receiver T343 Receiver Monitor + a text panel
 


Marcus




Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tait UHF Standby Repeater D-Band

2009-10-26 Thread Marcus
i have added your email addy to my address book in case i need any more 
duplexors


what i need is a price first for a cavity filter or two

not a duplexor, nor a diplexor, nor a arieal, nor anything else

am just after a price and availibility of Cavity filters

Marcus



Gareth Bennett wrote:
 


Hi Marcus,
 
How many do you require, and what model Tait?
 
I have either T300 or T800 Series rackmount duplexers available
 
Cheers
 
 
Gareth Bennett
 
(- Original Message -


*From:* Marcus mailto:arkwrights-st...@xtra.co.nz
*To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2009 1:30 PM
*Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] Tait UHF Standby Repeater D-Band

 


is there anyone on this list that resides in NZ and if so/not does
anyone have any Cavity filters, if so how much
i have a Tait Repeater running D-BAND it was a backup system

would like to get it running, forgive the contradiction, the
system is
fully operational, i would like to put it to some use

must be loads of points i have not mentioned, so if need be fire
away, i
shall answer all my old almost had it brain can conjur up

Marcus




[Repeater-Builder] Tait UHF Standby Repeater D-Band

2009-10-25 Thread Marcus
is there anyone on this list that resides in NZ and if so/not does 
anyone have any Cavity filters, if so how much
i have a Tait Repeater running D-BAND it was a backup system

would like to get it running, forgive the contradiction, the system is 
fully operational, i would like to put it to some use

must be loads of points i have not mentioned, so if need be fire away, i 
shall answer all my old almost had it brain can conjur up

Marcus




Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tait UHF Standby Repeater D-Band

2009-10-25 Thread Marcus

thats fine, but unless i am mistaken, a Duplexor is not a cavity filter

the duplexor is installed before the cavity filter(S) the output of the 
cavity filter(S) goes to the Aerial



Marcus


K5IN wrote:
 

I listed Decibel products DB-4071 duplexers a couple of days ago for 
$150.00 shipped.
 
Brian, k...@comcast.net mailto:k...@comcast.net


- Original Message -
*From:* Marcus mailto:arkwrights-st...@xtra.co.nz
*To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:30 PM
*Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] Tait UHF Standby Repeater D-Band

 


is there anyone on this list that resides in NZ and if so/not does
anyone have any Cavity filters, if so how much
i have a Tait Repeater running D-BAND it was a backup system

would like to get it running, forgive the contradiction, the
system is
fully operational, i would like to put it to some use

must be loads of points i have not mentioned, so if need be fire
away, i
shall answer all my old almost had it brain can conjur up

Marcus




Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tait UHF Standby Repeater D-Band

2009-10-25 Thread Marcus
yes i am aware of this, but what i am after is if anyone has the cavity 
filter that is placed after the duplexor and before the aerial

all depends on price of course


Marcus


DCFluX wrote:
 

Duplexer is a generic term for a filter network that allows a single 
antenna to be used for a receiver and transmitter in the same band, 
such as a repeater. These usually take the form of several cavity 
resonators, coaxial stubs or even helical resonators in either a band 
pass, notch reject or band pass band reject.


A single cavity may be added between the duplexer and receiver if 
there is alot of RF at the site and or the duplexer offers very little 
out of band attenuation, But the cavity has to be a low enough quality 
to have a pass band wide enough for both the transmit and receive 
frequencies.


Diplexer is a filter network that facilitates a single antenna to be 
used on 2,3 or 4 different bands, either feeding a single radio or 
multiple radios. Usually constructed with L/C filter networks.


A Combiner is a device which allows several transmitters, very close 
in frequency to use a single antenna. These are usually a dual stage 
circulator followed by large band pass cavitiy per channel into a 
passive power divider with enough ports to handle the total number of 
channels


A Circulator is essentially a one way valve that allows RF to pass 
in one direction. Used in combiners and for intermod control to keep 
transmitters from mixing stray RF. Power refelected back from the 
antenna goes into a dummy load instead of the transmitter.





On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Marcus arkwrights-st...@xtra.co.nz 
mailto:arkwrights-st...@xtra.co.nz wrote:




thats fine, but unless i am mistaken, a Duplexor is not a cavity
filter

the duplexor is installed before the cavity filter(S) the output
of the cavity filter(S) goes to the Aerial


Marcus


K5IN wrote:
 
I listed Decibel products DB-4071 duplexers a couple of days ago

for $150.00 shipped.
 
Brian, k...@comcast.net mailto:k...@comcast.net


- Original Message -
*From:* Marcus mailto:arkwrights-st...@xtra.co.nz
*To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:30 PM
*Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] Tait UHF Standby Repeater D-Band

 


is there anyone on this list that resides in NZ and if so/not
does
anyone have any Cavity filters, if so how much
i have a Tait Repeater running D-BAND it was a backup system

would like to get it running, forgive the contradiction, the
system is
fully operational, i would like to put it to some use

must be loads of points i have not mentioned, so if need be
fire away, i
shall answer all my old almost had it brain can conjur up

Marcus








Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood tk-370

2009-10-23 Thread Marcus
we have a company here in New Zealand Called Pacific Arieals in Auckland 
they deal or dealt with Kenwood R/T's
also at best i have an old Tk370 im sure of it sitting here some where 
almost stuffed, and a few aerials, in the UHF band


doing *.* but collecting dust on there *.*'s

Marcus



kerinvale wrote:
 

Hi guys .Would anyone know where we can replacement antenna parts for 
the Kenwood tk-370.
I am chasing the sma-f antenna socket in the top of the radio and also 
a antenna but seem to be having trouble finding a supplier or 
replacement parts
 


Thank You,
Ian Wells,
Kerinvale Comaudio,
361 Camboon Road.Biloela.4715
Ph 0749922449 or 0409159932 or 0749922574
www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au http://www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au/
 

 







[Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 Pinouts

2004-09-16 Thread Marcus Xenakis
Does anyone have the pinouts for the D-Shell connector on an MSF5000 
cabinet.  I would like to install an external repeater controller for 
a ham repeater.

Thanks,
Marcus
WA2DCI






 
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