Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-25 Thread Mark A. Holman






Auto Zone, Advanced Auto Parts carries block heaters check the SAE
sites foor viscosity sugguestions if it were near the 45th parrallel
20W 20 was being sold at gas stations backin 1970's 

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  My Chevy 454 Suburban has engine block heaters. Try your GM
dealer. Also see if your engine can take 5w30 synthetic such as Mobile
One. JC Whitney may have an oil dip stick heater to serve your needs.
Trane home air conditioner pumps have a built in heater to keep oil at
certain viscosity. 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-25 Thread albemarle7





Re Block heatersthank you all for the suggestions. What a 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-16 Thread Dale Pratt
Title: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question





 Gary 
I just plug in heater in late fall and unplug in early spring. Can buy heater for water can from southern states or other feed store , But same type heater fastened to bottom of small engine. 


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Dale...N8SAC...Thanks for the info on equipment heaters from etipinc. Your suggestion is right on target. Should work great on drinking water with GFI, isolation xmfr and thermo switch for wifes outdoor livestock.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-15 Thread Dale Pratt
Title: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question





 You might try this Web Site  http://www.etipinc.com/universal.asp?cat=maint
 they look like the heater I use under watering bottles for pets . They keep water from turning to ice in 0 weather
We used them in control panels to keep condensation down with a thermostat to control them.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-15 Thread albemarle7






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Dale...N8SAC...Thanks for the info on equipment heaters from etipinc. Your 
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[Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Guys,

I have a 5KW natural gas generator at my house to serve as backup power 
to not only the house, but it keeps a repeater and my ham shack up and 
running.

During  cold weather, it doesn't like to start (manual start, pull 
cord). I fund that if I place a halogen work light pointed at it for 
about 10 minutes, it warms it up enough so it will start OK.

My question is -- does anyone know of a small engine block heater out 
there? I've done Google searches and don't really find anything 
worthwhile. No, I don't what to use a light bulb. I want something 
that's safe, economical to operate and UL approved.

Chuck
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread Bob M.
First, try putting in some lighter-weight oil for
winter use. I switched to an AMSOIL synthetic product
that's specifically formulated for natural gas
generator engines that see infrequent use. Go to
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/ang.aspx for details.
The bad thing is that it comes in 5 gallon minimum
quantities, which would be rough for your 10hp engine
that uses less than a quart. However, I bought the
entire container since my 12kw Onan unit uses more
oil. I could sell you one quart!

Google for magnetic block heater. I found
www.padheater.com as one place that has a variety of
stick-on heaters. You might need a thermostat in or
near the block to control the heater, as you don't
really want the engine sitting at 160F year-round, and
some of these heaters are capable of that much heat,
or more. Just make sure the engine block is magnetic;
not all are. The stick-on variety makes more sense to
me. I'm tempted to get one myself.

The light bulb idea seems to be reasonably
inexpensive. Even a drugstore heating pad might help.
If you can keep the cold wind off the engine, the
hundred or so watts of heat should keep it warm enough
to ease starting. I haven't had a problem with my
Tecumseh 10hp snowblower engine, but that uses
ordinary gasoline and has a priming button. Very easy
to pull-start, but then it IS a snow-king engine
that's designed for winter use.

My Onan generator had cold start problems too. Turned
out to be a combination of a bad pressure regulator
and mixer adjustment. In fact, Onan doesn't sell or
even offer an engine block heater for this unit; they
do sell and recommend a battery warming pad, but I've
never experienced a cranking problem with mine, and
it's 4 years old now. The battery will need replacing
in a year anyway.

Bob M.
==
--- Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Guys,
 
 I have a 5KW natural gas generator at my house to
 serve as backup power 
 to not only the house, but it keeps a repeater and
 my ham shack up and 
 running.
 
 During  cold weather, it doesn't like to start
 (manual start, pull 
 cord). I fund that if I place a halogen work light
 pointed at it for 
 about 10 minutes, it warms it up enough so it will
 start OK.
 
 My question is -- does anyone know of a small engine
 block heater out 
 there? I've done Google searches and don't really
 find anything 
 worthwhile. No, I don't what to use a light bulb. I
 want something 
 that's safe, economical to operate and UL approved.
 
 Chuck

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread Q
You may try a heat tape wrapped around the engine 
block,thermostatically controlled and UL approved...

Chuck Kelsey wrote:
 Guys,
 
 I have a 5KW natural gas generator at my house to serve as backup power 
 to not only the house, but it keeps a repeater and my ham shack up and 
 running.
 
 During  cold weather, it doesn't like to start (manual start, pull 
 cord). I fund that if I place a halogen work light pointed at it for 
 about 10 minutes, it warms it up enough so it will start OK.
 
 My question is -- does anyone know of a small engine block heater out 
 there? I've done Google searches and don't really find anything 
 worthwhile. No, I don't what to use a light bulb. I want something 
 that's safe, economical to operate and UL approved.
 
 Chuck
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread Ray Brown
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From: Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I have a 5KW natural gas generator at my house to serve as backup power
 to not only the house, but it keeps a repeater and my ham shack up and
 running.

  Congratulations. Not many folks do that. :-) I want to do that myself, but
having a total electric house, a 5 kw isn't big enough, I'd need a 12 to 15 kw
to run things here.

 During  cold weather, it doesn't like to start (manual start, pull
 cord). I fund that if I place a halogen work light pointed at it for
 about 10 minutes, it warms it up enough so it will start OK.

 My question is -- does anyone know of a small engine block heater out
 there? I've done Google searches and don't really find anything
 worthwhile. No, I don't what to use a light bulb. I want something
 that's safe, economical to operate and UL approved.

  It's a 5 kw running only on natural gas? I'm very familiar with the older
Onan gensets (I used to be a parts mananger for a motor home / industrial
business back in the 70's). I know they used to have a nice oil heater that
was for the NH and JC/DJC  models that would keep the whole thing at about
120F in its' enclosure, and that sounds like something you'd need.

  Either that, or check into the JC Whitney catalog and see what they offer
nowadays.

  If ya need more, chat to me off the list.

_Ray_KBØSTN


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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread Burt Lang
Try using 0W-30 fully synthetic oil in the crankcase.  I find that that 
does not thicken nearly as much as regular 5W-30 oil in my generator.  I 
can normally spin it easily even at -20.

0W-30 synthetic is not easy to find but I did find some at Wal-Mart in 
the past and Esso has some called ZERO oil that the farmers around here 
use on their tractors in the winter.

Burt  VE2BMQ

Chuck Kelsey wrote:
 Guys,
 
 I have a 5KW natural gas generator at my house to serve as backup power 
 to not only the house, but it keeps a repeater and my ham shack up and 
 running.
 
 During  cold weather, it doesn't like to start (manual start, pull 
 cord). I fund that if I place a halogen work light pointed at it for 
 about 10 minutes, it warms it up enough so it will start OK.
 
 My question is -- does anyone know of a small engine block heater out 
 there? I've done Google searches and don't really find anything 
 worthwhile. No, I don't what to use a light bulb. I want something 
 that's safe, economical to operate and UL approved.
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread Mike Pugh
Besides, if you need to start the generator because the electric is out, 
where are you going to plug the lamp in to warm the generator so it will 
start? Mike

Chuck Kelsey wrote:
 Guys,
 
 I have a 5KW natural gas generator at my house to serve as backup power 
 to not only the house, but it keeps a repeater and my ham shack up and 
 running.
 
 During  cold weather, it doesn't like to start (manual start, pull 
 cord). I fund that if I place a halogen work light pointed at it for 
 about 10 minutes, it warms it up enough so it will start OK.
 
 My question is -- does anyone know of a small engine block heater out 
 there? I've done Google searches and don't really find anything 
 worthwhile. No, I don't what to use a light bulb. I want something 
 that's safe, economical to operate and UL approved.
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread Bob M.
On a standby generator that's hooked to an auto-start
switch, this isn't a problem. Presumably, if the power
goes out and he's home at the time, he'll be able to
get to the genset before it cools off.

Bob M.
==
--- Mike Pugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Besides, if you need to start the generator because
 the electric is out, 
 where are you going to plug the lamp in to warm the
 generator so it will 
 start? Mike
 
 Chuck Kelsey wrote:
  Guys,
  
  I have a 5KW natural gas generator at my house to
 serve as backup power 
  to not only the house, but it keeps a repeater and
 my ham shack up and 
  running.
  
  During  cold weather, it doesn't like to start
 (manual start, pull 
  cord). I fund that if I place a halogen work light
 pointed at it for 
  about 10 minutes, it warms it up enough so it will
 start OK.
  
  My question is -- does anyone know of a small
 engine block heater out 
  there? I've done Google searches and don't really
 find anything 
  worthwhile. No, I don't what to use a light bulb.
 I want something 
  that's safe, economical to operate and UL
 approved.
  
  Chuck
  WB2EDV

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Is it safe to use in the summer?

Chuck




Burt Lang wrote:

Try using 0W-30 fully synthetic oil in the crankcase.  I find that that 
does not thicken nearly as much as regular 5W-30 oil in my generator.  I 
can normally spin it easily even at -20.

0W-30 synthetic is not easy to find but I did find some at Wal-Mart in 
the past and Esso has some called ZERO oil that the farmers around here 
use on their tractors in the winter.

Burt  VE2BMQ

Chuck Kelsey wrote:
  

Guys,

I have a 5KW natural gas generator at my house to serve as backup power 
to not only the house, but it keeps a repeater and my ham shack up and 
running.

During  cold weather, it doesn't like to start (manual start, pull 
cord). I fund that if I place a halogen work light pointed at it for 
about 10 minutes, it warms it up enough so it will start OK.

My question is -- does anyone know of a small engine block heater out 
there? I've done Google searches and don't really find anything 
worthwhile. No, I don't what to use a light bulb. I want something 
that's safe, economical to operate and UL approved.

Chuck
WB2EDV





 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread Dakota Summerhawk
Came across this when browsing the other day:
http://www.lutec.com.au/index.htm

Looks like a good idea for generators and keeping power in the house and
car!

Just a thought.
Dakota Summerhawk

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Besides, if you need to start the generator because the electric is out,

where are you going to plug the lamp in to warm the generator so it will

start? Mike

Chuck Kelsey wrote:
 Guys,
 
 I have a 5KW natural gas generator at my house to serve as backup
power 
 to not only the house, but it keeps a repeater and my ham shack up and

 running.
 
 During  cold weather, it doesn't like to start (manual start, pull 
 cord). I fund that if I place a halogen work light pointed at it for 
 about 10 minutes, it warms it up enough so it will start OK.
 
 My question is -- does anyone know of a small engine block heater out 
 there? I've done Google searches and don't really find anything 
 worthwhile. No, I don't what to use a light bulb. I want something 
 that's safe, economical to operate and UL approved.
 
 Chuck
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Interesting. I downloaded the demonstration as well.

Chuck
WB2EDV




Dakota Summerhawk wrote:

Came across this when browsing the other day:
http://www.lutec.com.au/index.htm

Looks like a good idea for generators and keeping power in the house and
car!

Just a thought.
Dakota Summerhawk

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Besides, if you need to start the generator because the electric is out,

where are you going to plug the lamp in to warm the generator so it will

start? Mike

Chuck Kelsey wrote:
  

Guys,

I have a 5KW natural gas generator at my house to serve as backup


power 
  

to not only the house, but it keeps a repeater and my ham shack up and



  

running.

During  cold weather, it doesn't like to start (manual start, pull 
cord). I fund that if I place a halogen work light pointed at it for 
about 10 minutes, it warms it up enough so it will start OK.

My question is -- does anyone know of a small engine block heater out 
there? I've done Google searches and don't really find anything 
worthwhile. No, I don't what to use a light bulb. I want something 
that's safe, economical to operate and UL approved.

Chuck
WB2EDV





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread Rick Charlotte
ok time to chime in . 

there are block heaters that just have a magnet the holds it to the 
block .. 

if your has a rad there are ones that go on the hose 

NOW the item you really want , its a timmer that only turns on the 
heater for x number of min IF the temp falls below X deg

No matter if you use a lamp a heater or what ever use the timmer
sure would save on hydro when you don't need it 

I hope this helps

Rick

On 14 Jan 2006 at 20:30, Kris Kirby wrote:

 On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Bob M. wrote:
  Google for magnetic block heater. I found www.padheater.com as one
  place that has a variety of stick-on heaters. You might need a
  thermostat in or near the block to control the heater, as you don't
  really want the engine sitting at 160F year-round, and some of these
  heaters are capable of that much heat, or more. Just make sure the
  engine block is magnetic; not all are. The stick-on variety makes
  more sense to me. I'm tempted to get one myself.
 
 I have a 1995 Chevy Caprice which is equipped with a block heater, and
 the block heater itself is a heating element rated at 600W which sits
 in the cooling jacket of the engine. Now, you figure that 350 cubic
 inches of exposed, uninsulated engine needs 600W to keep from freezing
 and you're probably going to need less.
 
 From my experience in searching around, a dipstick heater is usually
 about 125W, but for that small of an engine, may be overkill. Another
 trick to try would be to switch that halogen light for a 250W infrared
 flood light, which they sell down at Home Despot and Lowes.
 
 Directly connecting to the engine block will probably require 
 less wattage to operate than using a light bulb. To that end, you may
 find that a power resistor, appropriately heatsinked to the case or a
 block attached to the case may work just as well and operate off of DC
 so you will always have the engine warm and ready to go if you operate
 the resistor from a battery.
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread Mike Pugh
Aw, I was just being silly Bob.. The way it sounded to me was that after 
the ac mails went out, and he went to hand start the generator (see the 
manual start pull cord reference below) it started a lot easier when he 
had the light plugged in to warm it up.. i was just wondering where he 
plugged it.. Mike

Bob M. wrote:

 On a standby generator that's hooked to an auto-start
 switch, this isn't a problem. Presumably, if the power
 goes out and he's home at the time, he'll be able to
 get to the genset before it cools off.
 
 Bob M.
 ==
 --- Mike Pugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
Besides, if you need to start the generator because
the electric is out, 
where are you going to plug the lamp in to warm the
generator so it will 
start? Mike

Chuck Kelsey wrote:

Guys,

I have a 5KW natural gas generator at my house to

serve as backup power 

to not only the house, but it keeps a repeater and

my ham shack up and 

running.

During  cold weather, it doesn't like to start

(manual start, pull 

cord). I fund that if I place a halogen work light

pointed at it for 

about 10 minutes, it warms it up enough so it will

start OK.

My question is -- does anyone know of a small

engine block heater out 

there? I've done Google searches and don't really

find anything 

worthwhile. No, I don't what to use a light bulb.

I want something 

that's safe, economical to operate and UL

approved.

Chuck
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread kd6hcn
Hello Chuck, I think I may have the same genset you
have as mine was put into service in the mid 80's. My
genset runs off of a 5ft tall propane cylinder which
holds about 80lbs of fuel, hard to remember as I
haven't needed to fill it since the 90's.

If you have easy access to your genset you could use a
simple heating blanket to keep your genset warm or use
a homemade heat sink with a resistor loaded up to keep
the main body warm.

Since my site is 20 some miles away I use a homemade
resistor/heatsink attached to the main block to keep
mine warm to start on a thermister.

Although my genset has a self-starter onboard when the
AC mains fail to keep the repeater batteries fully
charged.  

I use a bank of 10 each group 31 Optima batteries in
combination to the genset to keep all the repeaters
running off battery. Actually all the repeaters run on
battery from the start so we have no switching issues,
just need to keep the battery bank charged either from
AC or genset.

Group 31 Deep cycle battery:

http://www.optimabatteries.com/publish/optima/americas0/en/config/product_info/commercial.html;

Hope this helps.

Regards, Barry n6cid

--- Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Guys,
 
 I have a 5KW natural gas generator at my house to
 serve as backup power 
 to not only the house, but it keeps a repeater and
 my ham shack up and 
 running.
 
 During  cold weather, it doesn't like to start
 (manual start, pull 
 cord). I fund that if I place a halogen work light
 pointed at it for 
 about 10 minutes, it warms it up enough so it will
 start OK.
 
 My question is -- does anyone know of a small engine
 block heater out 
 there? I've done Google searches and don't really
 find anything 
 worthwhile. No, I don't what to use a light bulb. I
 want something 
 that's safe, economical to operate and UL approved.
 
 Chuck
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread albemarle7





My Chevy 454 Suburban has engine block heaters. Try your GM dealer. Also 
see if your engine can take 5w30 synthetic such as Mobile One. JC Whitney may 
have an oil dip stick heater to serve your needs. Trane home air conditioner 
pumps have a built in heater to keep oil at certain viscosity. 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread Q
Sounds too good to be true,you dont get something for nothing and 
   nothing can be more than 100% efficient,let alone 1500-2500%.
If it is true,I'll buy one or more...boy will that change the 
world as we know it! I will watch this project with intense 
interest! 73,Lee

Chuck Kelsey wrote:
 Interesting. I downloaded the demonstration as well.
 
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 Dakota Summerhawk wrote:
 
 
Came across this when browsing the other day:
http://www.lutec.com.au/index.htm

Looks like a good idea for generators and keeping power in the house and
car!

Just a thought.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Kind of reminds me of Wayne Green and cold fusion. All talk, no 
products. Time will tell, I guess.

Lee, what exactly are you using for sealed batteries? Typical UPS ones? 
I've got UPS's scattered around on about a dozen computers. Typical 
battery life is 2-4 years, no better than a car battery. Just curious.

Chuck
WB2EDV

Q wrote:

Sounds too good to be true,you dont get something for nothing and 
   nothing can be more than 100% efficient,let alone 1500-2500%.
If it is true,I'll buy one or more...boy will that change the 
world as we know it! I will watch this project with intense 
interest! 73,Lee

  

  






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread Q
A bank of 100ah Dynasty's and a bank of Crown Embassy 55ah sealed 
  lead/acid batteries. The Dynasty's are 10 years old,the 
Embassys are 2. What are your float and equalize voltages set to?

Chuck Kelsey wrote:
 Kind of reminds me of Wayne Green and cold fusion. All talk, no 
 products. Time will tell, I guess.
 
 Lee, what exactly are you using for sealed batteries? Typical UPS ones? 
 I've got UPS's scattered around on about a dozen computers. Typical 
 battery life is 2-4 years, no better than a car battery. Just curious.
 
 Chuck
 WB2EDV
 
 Q wrote:
 
 
Sounds too good to be true,you dont get something for nothing and 
  nothing can be more than 100% efficient,let alone 1500-2500%.
If it is true,I'll buy one or more...boy will that change the 
world as we know it! I will watch this project with intense 
interest! 73,Lee




 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

2006-01-14 Thread Burt Lang
Yes, it is the same as 5W-30 except that in extreme low temps it does 
not thicken up nearly as much. All synthetic oils have a much flatter 
viscosity vs temp curve.  I have used full synthetic 5W-30 in my truck 
ever since I got it and it would start easily at -40(F or C) without any 
block heater. On a small generator with a tecumsuh motor, I could hardly 
turn it over at 10F using regular 10W-30.  With the synthetic 0W-30 it 
would turn over with not much difference in effort on the pull cord than 
if it was at summer temps.

Burt

Chuck Kelsey wrote:
 Is it safe to use in the summer?
 
 Chuck
 
 Burt Lang wrote:
 
Try using 0W-30 fully synthetic oil in the crankcase.  I find that that 
does not thicken nearly as much as regular 5W-30 oil in my generator.  I 
can normally spin it easily even at -20.

0W-30 synthetic is not easy to find but I did find some at Wal-Mart in 
the past and Esso has some called ZERO oil that the farmers around here 
use on their tractors in the winter.

Burt  VE2BMQ

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Guys,

I have a 5KW natural gas generator at my house to serve as backup power 
to not only the house, but it keeps a repeater and my ham shack up and 
running.

During  cold weather, it doesn't like to start (manual start, pull 
cord). I fund that if I place a halogen work light pointed at it for 
about 10 minutes, it warms it up enough so it will start OK.

My question is -- does anyone know of a small engine block heater out 
there? I've done Google searches and don't really find anything 
worthwhile. No, I don't what to use a light bulb. I want something 
that's safe, economical to operate and UL approved.

Chuck
WB2EDV






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