Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Has anyone interfaced a Yaesu FT-8500 to be a remote base on a repeater?
I did a DR-600 remote base by letting the DR-600 listen to the repeater output on 440 and controlling the freq on 2 meters using the standard TT control for the DR-600. Audio was interfaced to the mic and speaker, and the 440 port on the DR-600 was connected to a dummy load. The 440 port was only used to select the frequency, not as a cross band repeat. I only used the memory select codes to control the DR-600 as there was no way to select the CTCSS frequency from the remote. You could change to VFO control if you did not need a CTCSS tone. The control codes were shown in the radio manual. It worked very well, and there is no way to get out of sync since the control code sent to the radio selects a particular preset memory channel. 73 - Jim W5ZIT -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 3:11 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Has anyone interfaced a Yaesu FT-8500 to be a remote base on a repeater? Alinco almost got it right, at least with the DR599 and possibly the DR600. The radio can be remote controlled if it has the DTMF decoder option board via RF. I think you can also remote control it by applying the remote control DTMF tones to the mic input without keying the radio (I haven’t tried but I think that’s the way the DTMF mic sends commands to the radio). The only snafu is that they didn’t include a provision for setting offset and the radio doesn’t do it automatically. Now that I’ve found the book for mine, it may be time to do a little more investigating. Jamey Wright Systems Analyst Morgan County EMCD 911 Decatur, AL 256-552-0911 Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Has anyone interfaced a Yaesu FT-8500 to be a remote base on a repeater?
At 09:18 AM 11/16/2006, you wrote: Send me a schematic of both the FT-8500 and the TM-742A and indicate what repeater controller you desire to interface too. ---I'm not sure about the 742A but the Yaesu line of mobile radios do NOT lend themselves to remote base use *IF* you want them to be frequency agile. In other words, you can't remotely program them on the fly remotely. To my way of thinking, this severely limits their usefulness as a remote base radio. Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of the world famous RC210 Repeater Controller and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Has anyone interfaced a Yaesu FT-8500 to be a remote base on a repeater?
I would say that depends on when the radio was made. Older Yaesu's, such as the FT-757 and even the FT-727 had a CAT interface which allows data from a computer to set the operating parameters of the radio. Other radios in the Yaseu line, Such as the FT-5100 have a few lines for the buttons, like band sellect and channel up and down. Which can allow 'poor mans remote base'. Others take a serial data stream down the mic jack to do control of the radio. You would have to get a logic analyzer or digital storage scope to disect the protocol though. On 11/16/06, Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:18 AM 11/16/2006, you wrote: Send me a schematic of both the FT-8500 and the TM-742A and indicate what repeater controller you desire to interface too. ---I'm not sure about the 742A but the Yaesu line of mobile radios do NOT lend themselves to remote base use *IF* you want them to be frequency agile. In other words, you can't remotely program them on the fly remotely. To my way of thinking, this severely limits their usefulness as a remote base radio. Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of the world famous RC210 Repeater Controller and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Has anyone interfaced a Yaesu FT-8500 to be a remote base on a repeater?
At 11:18 AM 11/16/2006, you wrote: I would say that depends on when the radio was made. Older Yaesu's, such as the FT-757 and even the FT-727 had a CAT interface which allows data from a computer to set the operating parameters of the radio. Other radios in the Yaseu line, Such as the FT-5100 have a few lines for the buttons, like band sellect and channel up and down. Which can allow 'poor mans remote base'. Others take a serial data stream down the mic jack to do control of the radio. You would have to get a logic analyzer or digital storage scope to disect the protocol though. The FT-8500, 8800 and 8900 don't allow for serial commanding of the radio on the fly, i.e. no CAT interface. Likewise, serial control via the mic connector isn't possible either. That's not to say that just because a radio doesn't have CAT capabilities that it isn't remotely controllable (as we showed with Kenwood TM-V7a, g707 and 271A) but Yaesu apparently has a different line of reasoning :-) Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of the world famous RC210 Repeater Controller and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Has anyone interfaced a Yaesu FT-8500 to be a remote base on a repeater?
It should be possible to emulate the hand mic and control the radio. You would need some serious test equipment and it may not be worth the effort though. It should also be possible to piggy back a circuit into either the mic or the radio front pannel as well if disecting the protocol is not an option. But you would be flying blind from the controller side of things as there would be no way of knowing what channel you are on except by keeping track of it and hope that no one uses the front panel to get the radio and controller out of sync, this is the approch used by the Doug Hall RBI-1. On 11/16/06, Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:18 AM 11/16/2006, you wrote: I would say that depends on when the radio was made. Older Yaesu's, such as the FT-757 and even the FT-727 had a CAT interface which allows data from a computer to set the operating parameters of the radio. Other radios in the Yaseu line, Such as the FT-5100 have a few lines for the buttons, like band sellect and channel up and down. Which can allow 'poor mans remote base'. Others take a serial data stream down the mic jack to do control of the radio. You would have to get a logic analyzer or digital storage scope to disect the protocol though. The FT-8500, 8800 and 8900 don't allow for serial commanding of the radio on the fly, i.e. no CAT interface. Likewise, serial control via the mic connector isn't possible either. That's not to say that just because a radio doesn't have CAT capabilities that it isn't remotely controllable (as we showed with Kenwood TM-V7a, g707 and 271A) but Yaesu apparently has a different line of reasoning :-) Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of the world famous RC210 Repeater Controller and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Has anyone interfaced a Yaesu FT-8500 to be a remote base on a repeater?
Alinco almost got it right, at least with the DR599 and possibly the DR600. The radio can be remote controlled if it has the DTMF decoder option board via RF. I think you can also remote control it by applying the remote control DTMF tones to the mic input without keying the radio (I haven't tried but I think that's the way the DTMF mic sends commands to the radio). The only snafu is that they didn't include a provision for setting offset and the radio doesn't do it automatically. Now that I've found the book for mine, it may be time to do a little more investigating. Jamey Wright Systems Analyst Morgan County EMCD 911 Decatur, AL 256-552-0911 _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DCFluX Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:18 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Has anyone interfaced a Yaesu FT-8500 to be a remote base on a repeater? I would say that depends on when the radio was made. Older Yaesu's, such as the FT-757 and even the FT-727 had a CAT interface which allows data from a computer to set the operating parameters of the radio. Other radios in the Yaseu line, Such as the FT-5100 have a few lines for the buttons, like band sellect and channel up and down. Which can allow 'poor mans remote base'. Others take a serial data stream down the mic jack to do control of the radio. You would have to get a logic analyzer or digital storage scope to disect the protocol though. On 11/16/06, Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:ah6le%40ah6le.net net wrote: At 09:18 AM 11/16/2006, you wrote: Send me a schematic of both the FT-8500 and the TM-742A and indicate what repeater controller you desire to interface too. ---I'm not sure about the 742A but the Yaesu line of mobile radios do NOT lend themselves to remote base use *IF* you want them to be frequency agile. In other words, you can't remotely program them on the fly remotely. To my way of thinking, this severely limits their usefulness as a remote base radio. Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of the world famous RC210 Repeater Controller and accessories. http://www.ah6le. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html net/arcom/index.html Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp. http://www.irlp.net net Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Has anyone interfaced a Yaesu FT-8500 to be a remote base on a repeater?
See this on the FT-5100 http://www.radiomods.co.nz/yaesu/yaesuft5100.html about half way down the page under CAT/Remote Control Mic Jamey Wright Systems Analyst Morgan County EMCD 911 Decatur, AL 256-552-0911 _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DCFluX Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:18 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Has anyone interfaced a Yaesu FT-8500 to be a remote base on a repeater? * I would say that depends on when the radio was made. Older Yaesu's, such as the FT-757 and even the FT-727 had a CAT interface which allows data from a computer to set the operating parameters of the radio. Other radios in the Yaseu line, Such as the FT-5100 have a few lines for the buttons, like band sellect and channel up and down. Which can allow 'poor mans remote base'. Others take a serial data stream down the mic jack to do control of the radio. You would have to get a logic analyzer or digital storage scope to disect the protocol though.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Has anyone interfaced a Yaesu FT-8500 to be a remote base on a repeater?
At 11/16/2006 12:46 PM, you wrote: At 11:18 AM 11/16/2006, you wrote: I would say that depends on when the radio was made. Older Yaesu's, such as the FT-757 and even the FT-727 had a CAT interface which allows data from a computer to set the operating parameters of the radio. Other radios in the Yaseu line, Such as the FT-5100 have a few lines for the buttons, like band sellect and channel up and down. Which can allow 'poor mans remote base'. Others take a serial data stream down the mic jack to do control of the radio. You would have to get a logic analyzer or digital storage scope to disect the protocol though. The FT-8500, 8800 and 8900 don't allow for serial commanding of the radio on the fly, i.e. no CAT interface. Are you sure about the FT-8500? I was sure I saw a reference to the CAT interface in the 8500 manual. Bob NO6B
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Has anyone interfaced a Yaesu FT-8500 to be a remote base on a repeater?
At 02:10 PM 11/16/2006, you wrote: Are you sure about the FT-8500? I was sure I saw a reference to the CAT interface in the 8500 manual. ---I stand corrected. Indeed you're correct about the 8500. I stand by my comments about the 8800 and 8900 however :-) Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of the world famous RC210 Repeater Controller and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Has anyone interfaced a Yaesu FT-8500 to be a remote base on a repeater?
All I could find on the 8500 is a manual in russian. But I would be glad to get the information on the truth table for future reference. On 11/16/06, Bob Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11/16/2006 12:46 PM, you wrote: At 11:18 AM 11/16/2006, you wrote: I would say that depends on when the radio was made. Older Yaesu's, such as the FT-757 and even the FT-727 had a CAT interface which allows data from a computer to set the operating parameters of the radio. Other radios in the Yaseu line, Such as the FT-5100 have a few lines for the buttons, like band sellect and channel up and down. Which can allow 'poor mans remote base'. Others take a serial data stream down the mic jack to do control of the radio. You would have to get a logic analyzer or digital storage scope to disect the protocol though. The FT-8500, 8800 and 8900 don't allow for serial commanding of the radio on the fly, i.e. no CAT interface. Are you sure about the FT-8500? I was sure I saw a reference to the CAT interface in the 8500 manual. Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Has anyone interfaced a Yaesu FT-8500 to be a remote base on a repeater?
At 11/16/2006 15:12, you wrote: All I could find on the 8500 is a manual in russian. But I would be glad to get the information on the truth table for future reference. Page 55 of the FT-8500 user manual: The PCC (Personal Computer control) System in the FT-8500 provides control of frequency, VFO, memory, and other settings using an external personal computer. This allows multiple control operations to be fully automated as single mouse click or keystroke operations on the computer keyboard. It goes on to say you need the optional FIF-232C interface box (apparently just a RS232-422 converter; doable with a single Maxim MAX232 IIRC). The data goes in at 9600 bps on the PKS pin (pin 3) of the FT-8500 data connector (GND is pin 2). The data format is in a couple of charts that I can't easily scan right now because my flatbed scanner is full of shims for optimized slide scanning. If there is interest no one can find this manual on the web, I'll try to scan it tomorrow or Saturday post a link to the pics. I can tell you that every button on the FS-10 can be emulated, as well as joystick movement even the PTT button! Bob NO6B
