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Fire Arms are good if you are there. When I was in the Nam we put up mechnical ambushes as they were called. About 15 claymores along a trail with a trip wire in the middle. Only real problem is a FNG who knew nothing wanted so much to help and would connect up the battery making the thing go off. Always kept the battery in hidden place until needed. Well maybe don't need 15 of these critters, but one or two would be nice unless you got long run of cable. Just make sure when they do go off they do not spray the feedline, tower or equipment building. This might take some good engineering, but anyone well trained in fire arms should figure it out. (do they have claymore safety classes where you are???) 73, ron, n9ee/r ps Hand grenades can be used in place of claymores. However, provide something to shape the charge. Again don't want to damage the feedline. From: Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:44:57 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire station, it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make a racket, not to mention a nice 40 caliber magnum revolver. Legal enough as long as I don't carry it concealed. More freedom here in Pecos County... Wayne WA2YNE Imperial, Tejas... 441.950 TX 446.950 RX 167.9 On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:15:58 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big a weapon you can handle. David - -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
There have been a number of cases where a store or home owner wired a booby trap and someone got injured. Outlawing this is the law in many states. It is mainly due to the intruder might be a family member or fireman, etc trying to get in for good reasons. I would think it best for any prosecution that it depends on what actually happened, but then again often one does not want someone putting in these devices. Maybe use a lower voltage such as from a animal electric fence. Know would prefer to fry the intruder. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: n9wys [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/23 Wed PM 09:54:47 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft There was a guy in the area near here who owned a bar... The bar was burglarized repeatedly, so the owner wired the window bars to 220V. Needless to say, when Mr. Burglar came back again, he was found the next day - still in the window. The family successfully sued, and the local prosecutor tried to prosecute the owner for reckless conduct... unsuccessfully, but the guy still has the arrest on his record. Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of MCH Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? (or even as an unterminated open circuit) That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces. I know excessive force. But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive? Wrap it with tape that says warning - dangerous voltage. Joe M. Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
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At least here in Kansas we can now have full auto weapons and machine guns with silencers, makes security a little quieter. Anyway, why not just wrap your hard-line with burglar alarm tape, connected to a dc relay. This would trip a dc horn or siren (old police sirens work well or 28 volt locomotive horns) and halogen lights. A nice small camera to record the bad guys crapping their pants and away you go. I know most repeater sights are out in the middle of nowhere, but a very loud sound coupled with an intense bright light has a tendency to scare the crap out of someone whose nerves are all ready wound up tight from doing the crime. I would guess some dna samples could also be picked up from the surrounding fence as they took off. OH well my 3 cents worth. - Original Message - From: Ron Wright To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:50 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Fire Arms are good if you are there. When I was in the Nam we put up mechnical ambushes as they were called. About 15 claymores along a trail with a trip wire in the middle. Only real problem is a FNG who knew nothing wanted so much to help and would connect up the battery making the thing go off. Always kept the battery in hidden place until needed. Well maybe don't need 15 of these critters, but one or two would be nice unless you got long run of cable. Just make sure when they do go off they do not spray the feedline, tower or equipment building. This might take some good engineering, but anyone well trained in fire arms should figure it out. (do they have claymore safety classes where you are???) 73, ron, n9ee/r ps Hand grenades can be used in place of claymores. However, provide something to shape the charge. Again don't want to damage the feedline. From: Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:44:57 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire station, it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make a racket, not to mention a nice 40 caliber magnum revolver. Legal enough as long as I don't carry it concealed. More freedom here in Pecos County... Wayne WA2YNE Imperial, Tejas... 441.950 TX 446.950 RX 167.9 On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:15:58 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big a weapon you can handle. David - -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
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Thats not a bad idea, I was getting tired of the weapon approach, I started to think this was a weapon list. Hook your alarm to an input on the repeater and it could alert you also if someone tampered with it. Rob - KS4EC From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:08 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft At least here in Kansas we can now have full auto weapons and machine guns with silencers, makes security a little quieter. Anyway, why not just wrap your hard-line with burglar alarm tape, connected to a dc relay. This would trip a dc horn or siren (old police sirens work well or 28 volt locomotive horns) and halogen lights. A nice small camera to record the bad guys crapping their pants and away you go. I know most repeater sights are out in the middle of nowhere, but a very loud sound coupled with an intense bright light has a tendency to scare the crap out of someone whose nerves are all ready wound up tight from doing the crime. I would guess some dna samples could also be picked up from the surrounding fence as they took off. OH well my 3 cents worth. - Original Message - From: Ron Wright mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:50 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Fire Arms are good if you are there. When I was in the Nam we put up mechnical ambushes as they were called. About 15 claymores along a trail with a trip wire in the middle. Only real problem is a FNG who knew nothing wanted so much to help and would connect up the battery making the thing go off. Always kept the battery in hidden place until needed. Well maybe don't need 15 of these critters, but one or two would be nice unless you got long run of cable. Just make sure when they do go off they do not spray the feedline, tower or equipment building. This might take some good engineering, but anyone well trained in fire arms should figure it out. (do they have claymore safety classes where you are???) 73, ron, n9ee/r ps Hand grenades can be used in place of claymores. However, provide something to shape the charge. Again don't want to damage the feedline. From: Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:wa2yne%40gmail.com Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:44:57 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire station, it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make a racket, not to mention a nice 40 caliber magnum revolver. Legal enough as long as I don't carry it concealed. More freedom here in Pecos County... Wayne WA2YNE Imperial, Tejas... 441.950 TX 446.950 RX 167.9 On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:15:58 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dmurman%40verizon.net wrote: Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big a weapon you can handle. David - -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths throughout most of Palm Beach County, FL, via counseling, seniors services, residences for the disabled, mentoring children, support groups and a lot more. SOLUTIONS FOR LIVING www.JFCSonline.com Please take note of our new website and E-Mail Addresses. Please update your contacts ASAP. NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments
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OK, Rob, I'll bite... If the cable's been cut, activating the alarm, how will the repeater alert you? This sounds like a solution I'd come up with, then later say, ...d'oh! 73, Paul, AE4KR _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Pease Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:16 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Thats not a bad idea, I was getting tired of the weapon approach, I started to think this was a weapon list. Hook your alarm to an input on the repeater and it could alert you also if someone tampered with it. Rob - KS4EC _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:08 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft At least here in Kansas we can now have full auto weapons and machine guns with silencers, makes security a little quieter. Anyway, why not just wrap your hard-line with burglar alarm tape, connected to a dc relay. This would trip a dc horn or siren (old police sirens work well or 28 volt locomotive horns) and halogen lights. A nice small camera to record the bad guys crapping their pants and away you go. I know most repeater sights are out in the middle of nowhere, but a very loud sound coupled with an intense bright light has a tendency to scare the crap out of someone whose nerves are all ready wound up tight from doing the crime. I would guess some dna samples could also be picked up from the surrounding fence as they took off. OH well my 3 cents worth. - Original Message - From: Ron Wright mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:50 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Fire Arms are good if you are there. When I was in the Nam we put up mechnical ambushes as they were called. About 15 claymores along a trail with a trip wire in the middle. Only real problem is a FNG who knew nothing wanted so much to help and would connect up the battery making the thing go off. Always kept the battery in hidden place until needed. Well maybe don't need 15 of these critters, but one or two would be nice unless you got long run of cable. Just make sure when they do go off they do not spray the feedline, tower or equipment building. This might take some good engineering, but anyone well trained in fire arms should figure it out. (do they have claymore safety classes where you are???) 73, ron, n9ee/r ps Hand grenades can be used in place of claymores. However, provide something to shape the charge. Again don't want to damage the feedline. From: Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:wa2yne%40gmail.com com Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:44:57 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire station, it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make a racket, not to mention a nice 40 caliber magnum revolver. Legal enough as long as I don't carry it concealed. More freedom here in Pecos County... Wayne WA2YNE Imperial, Tejas... 441.950 TX 446.950 RX 167.9 On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:15:58 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dmurman%40verizon.net net wrote: Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big a weapon you can handle. David - -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera. http://www.opera.com/mail/ com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths throughout most of Palm Beach County, FL, via counseling, seniors services, residences for the disabled, mentoring children, support groups and a lot more. SOLUTIONS FOR LIVING (R) http://www.JFCSonline.com www.JFCSonline.com Please take note of our new website and E-Mail Addresses. Please update your contacts ASAP. NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received
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Well, if it has reverse autopatch on your controller, you could program it to call you by land line. Program the macro with something like- Danger Will Robinson lol Ok my bad. - Original Message - From: Paul Plack To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft OK, Rob, I'll bite... If the cable's been cut, activating the alarm, how will the repeater alert you? This sounds like a solution I'd come up with, then later say, ...d'oh! 73, Paul, AE4KR -- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Pease Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:16 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Thats not a bad idea, I was getting tired of the weapon approach, I started to think this was a weapon list. Hook your alarm to an input on the repeater and it could alert you also if someone tampered with it. Rob - KS4EC -- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:08 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft At least here in Kansas we can now have full auto weapons and machine guns with silencers, makes security a little quieter. Anyway, why not just wrap your hard-line with burglar alarm tape, connected to a dc relay. This would trip a dc horn or siren (old police sirens work well or 28 volt locomotive horns) and halogen lights. A nice small camera to record the bad guys crapping their pants and away you go. I know most repeater sights are out in the middle of nowhere, but a very loud sound coupled with an intense bright light has a tendency to scare the crap out of someone whose nerves are all ready wound up tight from doing the crime. I would guess some dna samples could also be picked up from the surrounding fence as they took off. OH well my 3 cents worth. - Original Message - From: Ron Wright To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:50 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Fire Arms are good if you are there. When I was in the Nam we put up mechnical ambushes as they were called. About 15 claymores along a trail with a trip wire in the middle. Only real problem is a FNG who knew nothing wanted so much to help and would connect up the battery making the thing go off. Always kept the battery in hidden place until needed. Well maybe don't need 15 of these critters, but one or two would be nice unless you got long run of cable. Just make sure when they do go off they do not spray the feedline, tower or equipment building. This might take some good engineering, but anyone well trained in fire arms should figure it out. (do they have claymore safety classes where you are???) 73, ron, n9ee/r ps Hand grenades can be used in place of claymores. However, provide something to shape the charge. Again don't want to damage the feedline. From: Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:44:57 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire station, it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make a racket, not to mention a nice 40 caliber magnum revolver. Legal enough as long as I don't carry it concealed. More freedom here in Pecos County... Wayne WA2YNE Imperial, Tejas... 441.950 TX 446.950 RX 167.9 On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:15:58 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big a weapon you can handle. David - -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths throughout most of Palm Beach County, FL, via counseling, seniors services, residences for the disabled, mentoring children, support groups and a lot more. SOLUTIONS FOR LIVING (R) www.JFCSonline.com Please take note of our new website and E-Mail Addresses. Please update your contacts ASAP
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I guess you are right... DOH lol Maybe you'll get lucky and be the last cable cut! Rob From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Plack Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:42 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft OK, Rob, I'll bite... If the cable's been cut, activating the alarm, how will the repeater alert you? This sounds like a solution I'd come up with, then later say, ...d'oh! 73, Paul, AE4KR From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Pease Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:16 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Thats not a bad idea, I was getting tired of the weapon approach, I started to think this was a weapon list. Hook your alarm to an input on the repeater and it could alert you also if someone tampered with it. Rob - KS4EC From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:08 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft At least here in Kansas we can now have full auto weapons and machine guns with silencers, makes security a little quieter. Anyway, why not just wrap your hard-line with burglar alarm tape, connected to a dc relay. This would trip a dc horn or siren (old police sirens work well or 28 volt locomotive horns) and halogen lights. A nice small camera to record the bad guys crapping their pants and away you go. I know most repeater sights are out in the middle of nowhere, but a very loud sound coupled with an intense bright light has a tendency to scare the crap out of someone whose nerves are all ready wound up tight from doing the crime. I would guess some dna samples could also be picked up from the surrounding fence as they took off. OH well my 3 cents worth. - Original Message - From: Ron Wright mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:50 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Fire Arms are good if you are there. When I was in the Nam we put up mechnical ambushes as they were called. About 15 claymores along a trail with a trip wire in the middle. Only real problem is a FNG who knew nothing wanted so much to help and would connect up the battery making the thing go off. Always kept the battery in hidden place until needed. Well maybe don't need 15 of these critters, but one or two would be nice unless you got long run of cable. Just make sure when they do go off they do not spray the feedline, tower or equipment building. This might take some good engineering, but anyone well trained in fire arms should figure it out. (do they have claymore safety classes where you are???) 73, ron, n9ee/r ps Hand grenades can be used in place of claymores. However, provide something to shape the charge. Again don't want to damage the feedline. From: Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:wa2yne%40gmail.com Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:44:57 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire station, it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make a racket, not to mention a nice 40 caliber magnum revolver. Legal enough as long as I don't carry it concealed. More freedom here in Pecos County... Wayne WA2YNE Imperial, Tejas... 441.950 TX 446.950 RX 167.9 On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:15:58 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dmurman%40verizon.net wrote: Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big a weapon you can handle. David - -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths throughout most of Palm
RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
Being a fire chief one of the standard questions I always ask at any fire is do you have any loaded fire arms inside? When loaded guns get hot the shell discharges just like it is being fired! Doesn't matter if the safety is on or not. I personally like the animal electric fence idea. Hook it up to a relay set up so it can be turned off remotely by touch tone. Mike Ka2ndw -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Wright Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:02 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft There have been a number of cases where a store or home owner wired a booby trap and someone got injured. Outlawing this is the law in many states. It is mainly due to the intruder might be a family member or fireman, etc trying to get in for good reasons. I would think it best for any prosecution that it depends on what actually happened, but then again often one does not want someone putting in these devices. Maybe use a lower voltage such as from a animal electric fence. Know would prefer to fry the intruder. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: n9wys [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/23 Wed PM 09:54:47 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft There was a guy in the area near here who owned a bar... The bar was burglarized repeatedly, so the owner wired the window bars to 220V. Needless to say, when Mr. Burglar came back again, he was found the next day - still in the window. The family successfully sued, and the local prosecutor tried to prosecute the owner for reckless conduct... unsuccessfully, but the guy still has the arrest on his record. Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of MCH Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? (or even as an unterminated open circuit) That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces. I know excessive force. But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive? Wrap it with tape that says warning - dangerous voltage. Joe M. Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
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The FCC and FAA get real upset with towers that have dead or defective tower lights. This will get their attention real quick. The station off the air only upsets the tower/radio stn owners. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/23 Wed AM 01:10:54 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone with a lit tower would be guilty of it, then. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks -- To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving some of your lines. Your way is just passing the problem on to the next site. (not meant as criticism per se) By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete) Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ... -- To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? (or even as an unterminated open circuit) That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces. I know excessive force. But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive? Wrap it with tape that says warning - dangerous voltage. Joe M. Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote: There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen. Regulations as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has GOT to be done. WB5OXQ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM -- before someone else does Find the job of your dreams http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064 http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM -- Grab it. You dream job is up for grabs. http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596065 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
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Having a way of connecting a electric fense source to the shield of the feedline would be good. That way thief would not have to cut very deep to get to the enforcer, hi. It would also not interfere with the RF side. The shield being grounded would have to be engineered. These are usually not fatal, just convincing you don't want to go here. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 10:23:51 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? (or even as an unterminated open circuit) That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces. I know excessive force. But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive? Wrap it with tape that says warning - dangerous voltage. Joe M. Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote: There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen. Regulations as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has GOT to be done. WB5OXQ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
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I retract my electric fence suggestion. I submit a lethal at least 480 VAC...go for blood. This is crazy. Smoke this critter and when I say smoke I want to see real smoke from this idiot. There are people the world would be better off without. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: Maire-Radios [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 09:01:00 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft where was this at? thanks john - Original Message - From: Juan Tellez To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft __,_._,__ Here is a picture of what happen last week in one of my sites:_ Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
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And any tower lighting vandalism is supposed to be investigated by the FBI. Paul _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:08 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft The FCC and FAA get real upset with towers that have dead or defective tower lights. This will get their attention real quick. The station off the air only upsets the tower/radio stn owners. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: MCH HYPERLINK mailto:mch%40nb.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/23 Wed AM 01:10:54 CDT To: HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone with a lit tower would be guilty of it, then. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks To: HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m From: HYPERLINK mailto:mch%40nb.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving some of your lines. Your way is just passing the problem on to the next site. (not meant as criticism per se) By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete) Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ... To: HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m mailto:HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m From: HYPERLINK mailto:mch%40nb.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:HYPERLINK mailto:mch%40nb.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? (or even as an unterminated open circuit) That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces. I know excessive force. But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive? Wrap it with tape that says warning - dangerous voltage. Joe M. Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote: There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen. Regulations as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has GOT to be done. WB5OXQ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM before someone else does Find the job of your dreams HYPERLINK http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064http://mycareer.-com.au/?s_-cid=596064 HYPERLINK http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064http://mycareer.-com.au/?s_-cid=596064 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM Grab it. You dream job is up for grabs. HYPERLINK http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596065http://mycareer.-com.au/?s_-cid=596065 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM
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Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big a weapon you can handle. David = From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 11:11:04 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft But, they don't know the value of that, and likely don't have any outlets to get money from it. But, they DO know the value of copper, and there are plenty of scrap yards.. BUT, you would think that the first few cuts would have deterred them since the majority of the metal is NOT copper - as you can clearly see in the photos. I bet the left the connectors on the strike plate, too (assuming there is one). Joe M. Paul Finch wrote: And left a $200.00 connector. Paul *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Juan Tellez *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:10 PM *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft __,_._,__*/ /*Here is a picture of what happen last week in one of my sites:_ *//* *//* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1390 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 4:23 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM Yahoo! Groups Links
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David, Thanks to Kevin and Scott for letting this off topic thread go on this long but it is sort of repeater related and is real good information for all involved in this hobby. My problem is most of the people that trespass onto my property is kids from the mid to lower class housing development to the West of my property. Even if you're justified in shooting a kid you will be condemned in the press and harassed by the law enforcement officers. I had an ATV (four wheeler) stolen about two months ago, the Sheriffs office came out and took the info and later drove all around the house where the ATV was parked. I was passed out 105 flyers out when I saw some kids standing next to a house. As I got closer I saw my Son's ATV. They jump,cut and do whatever it takes to get over the fences. I also have a 2 acre pond sitting fairly close to the tower and I caught 6 kids and one adult walking in a group on my property to fish. They got guts. In the tower building I have several customers, paging, public service, Wi-Fi, trunking systems as well as my Ham repeaters and it scares me to no end that they are going to get in the building and try and steal or vandalize something. Paul _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:16 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; MCH Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big a weapon you can handle. David -= From: MCH HYPERLINK mailto:mch%40nb.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 11:11:04 CDT To: HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft But, they don't know the value of that, and likely don't have any outlets to get money from it. But, they DO know the value of copper, and there are plenty of scrap yards.. BUT, you would think that the first few cuts would have deterred them since the majority of the metal is NOT copper - as you can clearly see in the photos. I bet the left the connectors on the strike plate, too (assuming there is one). Joe M. Paul Finch wrote: And left a $200.00 connector. Paul *From:* HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m [mailto:HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m] *On Behalf Of *Juan Tellez *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:10 PM *To:* HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft __,_._,__*/ /*Here is a picture of what happen last week in one of my sites:_ *//* *//* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1390 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 4:23 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM --- Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM
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The latest trick around here is to tie on to power poles and pull them over to steal the aluminum wiring and the pole pig. Personally, I don't think $50 worth of scrap metal is worth a shocking experience.
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My problem is most of the people that trespass onto my property is kids from the mid to lower class housing development to the West of my property. Even if you're justified in shooting a kid you will be condemned in the press and harassed by the law enforcement officers. Short answer: Make friends. It is unbelievable how good friends can help. If you have a good living and live in a pouch of powertry, you can always help a bit people around you. You'll improve your life, their lives and save your equipment. Because even the drug-heads around them will help to protect your property. They will saye don't mess with Paul's things. He is our friend and always willing to help when we need!. Been there, done that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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A local AM station here in Waco recently had much of its rack mounted equipment stolen during the daytime and it was not noticed until that night when the site which was only on the air after sunset would not come on line. Thieves got away with this since many tower sites are located in cow pastures with nobody around to see what is going on (except the cows). I have since installed alarm systems on the buildings with wireless cellular backups in case thieves cut the phone line to the transmitter site. Too bad thieves did not try to touch the tower when it was energized. 10kw of rf can burn you pretty bad and I doubt the transmitter would shut down quickly from only a human body shunting it to ground. Those new Harris DX10 solid state am transmitters may not be as sensitive to a slight change is swr as some of the older tube rigs may be. Only problem with alarm systems is the law is sometimes way too late getting to a remote site! WB5OXQ - Original Message - From: Paul Finch To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:35 AM Subject: RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft In the tower building I have several customers, paging, public service, Wi-Fi, trunking systems as well as my Ham repeaters and it scares me to no end that they are going to get in the building and try and steal or vandalize something. Paul -- Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big a weapon you can handle. David = From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 11:11:04 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft But, they don't know the value of that, and likely don't have any outlets to get money from it. But, they DO know the value of copper, and there are plenty of scrap yards.. BUT, you would think that the first few cuts would have deterred them since the majority of the metal is NOT copper - as you can clearly see in the photos. I bet the left the connectors on the strike plate, too (assuming there is one). Joe M. Paul Finch wrote: And left a $200.00 connector. Paul -- *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Juan Tellez *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:10 PM *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft __,_._,__*/ /*Here is a picture of what happen last week in one of my sites:_ *//* *//* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1390 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 4:23 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM
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UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire station, it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make a racket, not to mention a nice 40 caliber magnum revolver. Legal enough as long as I don't carry it concealed. More freedom here in Pecos County... Wayne WA2YNE Imperial, Tejas... 441.950 TX 446.950 RX 167.9 On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:15:58 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big a weapon you can handle. David - -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
