Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements
Great! I'll dig them out first thing tomorrow & get them shipped out no later than Thursday. George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 - Original Message - From: "Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements > George, sent the money. It will come from a different e-mail address, but > it will have my name. > > Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694 > > > -- > From: "George Henry" > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:49 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements > >> I'm only looking to recoup what I have invested in them... $50 for the >> pair. >> At the moment, I have lots of spares, but sure, I'll take another set. >> >> If you do Paypal, you can pay me at ka3...@aol.com. >> >> George, KA3HSW >> >> >>> >>>From: Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 >>>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 10:17:12 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements >>> >>> >>>Actually 462.600 is the frequency I'm currently running my Kenwood on. I >>>would probably be putting the Motorola on the same frequency with a >>>different PL at a different location. That would solve a lot of headaches >>>if you're willing to part with them. I was thinking about doing ham later >>>down the road if GMRS goes away, I'm sure you've all heard about the >>>proposed rule changes. But until I hear that GMRS repeaters are not >>>allowed >>>(or must be narrow band) I'll be setting it up on GMRS. The Kenwood is >>>more >>>set up for a portable repeater for events right now. A group of us get >>>together and help out with events when there aren't enough ham >>>volunteers. >>> >>>Let me know what you want for the channel elements. If you're interested >>>I >>>would be willing to send you a set of channel elements back if you need >>>them >>>as spares. >>> >>>Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694 >>> >>>-- >>>From: "George Henry" >>>Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 1:59 PM >>>To: >>>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements >>> >>>> What frequencies are you looking for? Ham or GMRS, I presume... I've >>>> got >>>> a >>>> bunch of MSR-2K elements if you need any, including a set for a 462.600 >>>> GMRS >>>> repeater. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>From: Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 >>>>>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >>>>>Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 1:15:28 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements >>>>>(and >>>>>a >>>>>guacamole recipe) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Thanks Skipp, that helps a great deal. I've found a lot of usefule >>>>>information on repeater-builder.com over the years, but I just finally >>>>>signed up for the yahoo group yesterday, I don't know why I waited. >>>>> >>>>>Bomar sounds like a good place to start with. >>>>> >>>>>I got this MSR-2000 for $25 at a hamfest because the guy didn't want to >>>>>load >>>>>it up in his truck to take it back home. I was buying a Kenwood TKR-820 >>>>>and >>>>>he said, "I'll tell you what, I'll give you the pair for $50." How >>>>>could >>>>>I >>>>>go wrong? The Kenwood is working great thanks to repeater-builder.com. >>>>> >>>>>On another note, I sent you a message a few days ago, but sometimes >>>>>yahoo >>>>>blocks my messagesnot sure why. >>>>> >>>>>I was wondering if you had any information about a CSI-32 tone panel >>>>>and >>>>>possible firmware upgrades. The EPROM inside has a sticker on it that >>>>>says >>>>>the following. >>>>> >>>>>128 v4.0 >>>>>6289 (I think, hard to read) >>>>>© CSI >>>>> >>>>>- Jeff >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements
George, sent the money. It will come from a different e-mail address, but it will have my name. Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694 -- From: "George Henry" Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:49 PM To: Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements > I'm only looking to recoup what I have invested in them... $50 for the > pair. > At the moment, I have lots of spares, but sure, I'll take another set. > > If you do Paypal, you can pay me at ka3...@aol.com. > > George, KA3HSW > > >> >>From: Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 >>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 10:17:12 PM >>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements >> >> >>Actually 462.600 is the frequency I'm currently running my Kenwood on. I >>would probably be putting the Motorola on the same frequency with a >>different PL at a different location. That would solve a lot of headaches >>if you're willing to part with them. I was thinking about doing ham later >>down the road if GMRS goes away, I'm sure you've all heard about the >>proposed rule changes. But until I hear that GMRS repeaters are not >>allowed >>(or must be narrow band) I'll be setting it up on GMRS. The Kenwood is >>more >>set up for a portable repeater for events right now. A group of us get >>together and help out with events when there aren't enough ham volunteers. >> >>Let me know what you want for the channel elements. If you're interested I >>would be willing to send you a set of channel elements back if you need >>them >>as spares. >> >>Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694 >> >>-- >>From: "George Henry" >>Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 1:59 PM >>To: >>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements >> >>> What frequencies are you looking for? Ham or GMRS, I presume... I've got >>> a >>> bunch of MSR-2K elements if you need any, including a set for a 462.600 >>> GMRS >>> repeater. >>> >>> >>> >>> George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 >>> >>> >>>> >>>>From: Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 >>>>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >>>>Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 1:15:28 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements (and >>>>a >>>>guacamole recipe) >>>> >>>> >>>>Thanks Skipp, that helps a great deal. I've found a lot of usefule >>>>information on repeater-builder.com over the years, but I just finally >>>>signed up for the yahoo group yesterday, I don't know why I waited. >>>> >>>>Bomar sounds like a good place to start with. >>>> >>>>I got this MSR-2000 for $25 at a hamfest because the guy didn't want to >>>>load >>>>it up in his truck to take it back home. I was buying a Kenwood TKR-820 >>>>and >>>>he said, "I'll tell you what, I'll give you the pair for $50." How could >>>>I >>>>go wrong? The Kenwood is working great thanks to repeater-builder.com. >>>> >>>>On another note, I sent you a message a few days ago, but sometimes >>>>yahoo >>>>blocks my messagesnot sure why. >>>> >>>>I was wondering if you had any information about a CSI-32 tone panel and >>>>possible firmware upgrades. The EPROM inside has a sticker on it that >>>>says >>>>the following. >>>> >>>>128 v4.0 >>>>6289 (I think, hard to read) >>>>© CSI >>>> >>>>- Jeff >>>> >>> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements
I'm only looking to recoup what I have invested in them... $50 for the pair. At the moment, I have lots of spares, but sure, I'll take another set. If you do Paypal, you can pay me at ka3...@aol.com. George, KA3HSW > >From: Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 10:17:12 PM >Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements > > >Actually 462.600 is the frequency I'm currently running my Kenwood on. I >would probably be putting the Motorola on the same frequency with a >different PL at a different location. That would solve a lot of headaches >if you're willing to part with them. I was thinking about doing ham later >down the road if GMRS goes away, I'm sure you've all heard about the >proposed rule changes. But until I hear that GMRS repeaters are not allowed >(or must be narrow band) I'll be setting it up on GMRS. The Kenwood is more >set up for a portable repeater for events right now. A group of us get >together and help out with events when there aren't enough ham volunteers. > >Let me know what you want for the channel elements. If you're interested I >would be willing to send you a set of channel elements back if you need them >as spares. > >Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694 > >---------------------- >From: "George Henry" >Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 1:59 PM >To: >Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements > >> What frequencies are you looking for? Ham or GMRS, I presume... I've got >> a >> bunch of MSR-2K elements if you need any, including a set for a 462.600 >> GMRS >> repeater. >> >> >> >> George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 >> >> >>> >>>From: Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 >>>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 1:15:28 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements (and a >>>guacamole recipe) >>> >>> >>>Thanks Skipp, that helps a great deal. I've found a lot of usefule >>>information on repeater-builder.com over the years, but I just finally >>>signed up for the yahoo group yesterday, I don't know why I waited. >>> >>>Bomar sounds like a good place to start with. >>> >>>I got this MSR-2000 for $25 at a hamfest because the guy didn't want to >>>load >>>it up in his truck to take it back home. I was buying a Kenwood TKR-820 >>>and >>>he said, "I'll tell you what, I'll give you the pair for $50." How could I >>>go wrong? The Kenwood is working great thanks to repeater-builder.com. >>> >>>On another note, I sent you a message a few days ago, but sometimes yahoo >>>blocks my messagesnot sure why. >>> >>>I was wondering if you had any information about a CSI-32 tone panel and >>>possible firmware upgrades. The EPROM inside has a sticker on it that says >>>the following. >>> >>>128 v4.0 >>>6289 (I think, hard to read) >>>© CSI >>> >>>- Jeff >>> >>
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements
Actually 462.600 is the frequency I'm currently running my Kenwood on. I would probably be putting the Motorola on the same frequency with a different PL at a different location. That would solve a lot of headaches if you're willing to part with them. I was thinking about doing ham later down the road if GMRS goes away, I'm sure you've all heard about the proposed rule changes. But until I hear that GMRS repeaters are not allowed (or must be narrow band) I'll be setting it up on GMRS. The Kenwood is more set up for a portable repeater for events right now. A group of us get together and help out with events when there aren't enough ham volunteers. Let me know what you want for the channel elements. If you're interested I would be willing to send you a set of channel elements back if you need them as spares. Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694 -- From: "George Henry" Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 1:59 PM To: Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements > What frequencies are you looking for? Ham or GMRS, I presume... I've got > a > bunch of MSR-2K elements if you need any, including a set for a 462.600 > GMRS > repeater. > > > > George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 > > >> >>From: Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 >>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 1:15:28 AM >>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements (and a >>guacamole recipe) >> >> >>Thanks Skipp, that helps a great deal. I've found a lot of usefule >>information on repeater-builder.com over the years, but I just finally >>signed up for the yahoo group yesterday, I don't know why I waited. >> >>Bomar sounds like a good place to start with. >> >>I got this MSR-2000 for $25 at a hamfest because the guy didn't want to >>load >>it up in his truck to take it back home. I was buying a Kenwood TKR-820 >>and >>he said, "I'll tell you what, I'll give you the pair for $50." How could I >>go wrong? The Kenwood is working great thanks to repeater-builder.com. >> >>On another note, I sent you a message a few days ago, but sometimes yahoo >>blocks my messagesnot sure why. >> >>I was wondering if you had any information about a CSI-32 tone panel and >>possible firmware upgrades. The EPROM inside has a sticker on it that says >>the following. >> >>128 v4.0 >>6289 (I think, hard to read) >>© CSI >> >>- Jeff >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements
What frequencies are you looking for? Ham or GMRS, I presume... I've got a bunch of MSR-2K elements if you need any, including a set for a 462.600 GMRS repeater. George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 > >From: Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 1:15:28 AM >Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements (and a >guacamole recipe) > > >Thanks Skipp, that helps a great deal. I've found a lot of usefule >information on repeater-builder.com over the years, but I just finally >signed up for the yahoo group yesterday, I don't know why I waited. > >Bomar sounds like a good place to start with. > >I got this MSR-2000 for $25 at a hamfest because the guy didn't want to load >it up in his truck to take it back home. I was buying a Kenwood TKR-820 and >he said, "I'll tell you what, I'll give you the pair for $50." How could I >go wrong? The Kenwood is working great thanks to repeater-builder.com. > >On another note, I sent you a message a few days ago, but sometimes yahoo >blocks my messagesnot sure why. > >I was wondering if you had any information about a CSI-32 tone panel and >possible firmware upgrades. The EPROM inside has a sticker on it that says >the following. > >128 v4.0 >6289 (I think, hard to read) >© CSI > >- Jeff >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements (and a guacamole recipe)
Thanks Skipp, that helps a great deal. I've found a lot of usefule information on repeater-builder.com over the years, but I just finally signed up for the yahoo group yesterday, I don't know why I waited. Bomar sounds like a good place to start with. I got this MSR-2000 for $25 at a hamfest because the guy didn't want to load it up in his truck to take it back home. I was buying a Kenwood TKR-820 and he said, "I'll tell you what, I'll give you the pair for $50." How could I go wrong? The Kenwood is working great thanks to repeater-builder.com. On another note, I sent you a message a few days ago, but sometimes yahoo blocks my messagesnot sure why. I was wondering if you had any information about a CSI-32 tone panel and possible firmware upgrades. The EPROM inside has a sticker on it that says the following. 128 v4.0 6289 (I think, hard to read) © CSI - Jeff -- From: "skipp025" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 10:52 PM To: Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements (and a guacamole recipe) > > > Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements > >> "Path_Finder.Geo" wrote: >> Hi everyone, I am going to post this message here because >> batlabs didn't approve my post. Apparently it's too harsh >> to tell people, "PLEASE DO NOT TELL ME TO HAVE SOMEONE >> ELSE DO IT." > > Hi Jeff, > Apparently you do not play the BatLabs Game very well? I'm > sure you'll survive with the ever so perky bunch over here. > >> I am looking for information on how exactly to re-tune >> a channel element for a MSR repeater. I've seen >> instructions as far as what to adjust on the element >> itself, but what I really need to know is; what equipment >> is required, how to hook that equipment up to the channel >> element, and what to look for while adjusting the channel >> element. > > The transmit channel element is best adjusted for frequency > center by using a Communications Service Monitor setup to > sample (off the on-air signal) read the main carrier > channel/frequency. The simple way to set the IDC Control/Pot > is to set the Transmit CTCSS (PL) Tone deviation to about 750Hz. > In a stock MSR-2000 the repeat audio level is then set using > the level pot on the Squelch Gate Module. > > If you don't have access to a Service Monitor, a decent Frequency > Counter will at least let you "net" (adjust) the frequency to > F-center (on the desired frequency). > > If you move the transmitter more than say... 500 kHz from its > last alignment location, you should repeat the Service Manual > Alignment steps on or near the new frequency. > > The Receiver is a different animal. Take the Receiver frequency > and add and/or subtract the receiver IF frequency (most often > 10.7 or 10.8 MHz for the VHF Receiver). The formula you use > depends on your receivers IF Frequency and "Injection Chain", > which translates to which side of the IF the multiplied crystal > frequency ends up on. In your example it's probably F-frequency > minus the IF Frequency equals the multiplied Channel Element > injection frequency, which is what you want to set/align. > > Put a X1 Scope/Text Probe on your Service Monitor (or Frequency > Counter) Antenna (Low Level RF) Input and place it down onto/near > the receiver circuit board. You can also use a decent quality > frequency counter if you're more careful. At some location on > or near the board you will be able to monitor and measure the > output of the RX Channel Element Frequency, then set it for the > expected Injection Frequency. > > As an example: A receive frequency of 151.625 MHz minus a 10.7 > IF frequency equals 140.925 MHz. "Sniff" around the receiver > board until you observe a signal in that area, then "net" > (adjust) the channel element frequency to the expected 140.925 > F-center location. If you can't find the expected frequency > you might run the numbers for a 10.8 IF Frequency and sniff > around 140.825 for the channel element injection frequency. > > In both the above examples, a X1 (times-1) Scope Probe or something > similar is handy to use. If you can't get/find a signal, make a > short antenna probe by clipping a small length of insulated > regular wire onto the end of the probe. The end of the wire held > by the Scope Probe "jaws" should obviously be stripped bare. > Try not to allow the sampling wire and/or probe to directly > contact/short any of the exposed metal parts on the receiver > board. > >> Now I realize that I need a new crystal as well, and I >> realize it can all be done professionally with temperature >> compensation. > > Yeah but in many cases "professional" is a lot more expensive > than it really has to be. > >> But what I want to know is how I can do it myself just >> to get started and make sure everything is going to work >> the way I want before I pay out big bucks to have it all >> done the right way. I have an extra set of channel >> elements, so playing around with one set isn't g
