RE: [RollTideFan] Court blocks Clarett from NFL draft (non-BAMA)

2004-04-20 Thread Devan Orange
Screw Mo-reees!

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 Maurice Clarett's bid to jump to the NFL was blocked
 Monday by a federal appeals court that left open the possibility he
 could enter a supplemental draft.
   This is just wrongThese kids should be allowed to seek employment
just like anybody else

 Players are barred from the NFL until three years after high school
 graduation under current league rules.
The NFL is a private organization and should be allowed to set it own
rules and regulationToo bad for Mr. Clarett and the othersJamie






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[RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread kurt rasmussen
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FBN_CLARETT_NFL?SITE=KYLOUSECTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Apr 20, 7:17 PM EDT

Clarett Takes Draft Case to Supreme Court

By RUSTY MILLER
AP Sports Writer
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Maurice Clarett filed an emergency appeal with 
the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday to try to force his way into this 
weekend's NFL draft. Clarett's attorney, Alan Milstein, asked for a stay 
of a decision by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals preventing the 
former Ohio State tailback from entering the draft.

We're hoping justice will prevail and Mr. Clarett will play football - 
which is what he was born to do and which is what he is ready to do, 
Milstein said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press.
[...]

kurt

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Re: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread Pat Smoot
My question is why is it so different for football than it is for baseball
or basketball?  No college experience is required for either of these.
Personally, I think college should be a requirement for all of them, but it
isn't, so why the differentiation?


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http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FBN_CLARETT_NFL?SITE=KYLOUSECTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULT

 Apr 20, 7:17 PM EDT

 Clarett Takes Draft Case to Supreme Court

 By RUSTY MILLER
 AP Sports Writer

 COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Maurice Clarett filed an emergency appeal with
 the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday to try to force his way into this
 weekend's NFL draft. Clarett's attorney, Alan Milstein, asked for a stay
 of a decision by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals preventing the
 former Ohio State tailback from entering the draft.

 We're hoping justice will prevail and Mr. Clarett will play football -
 which is what he was born to do and which is what he is ready to do,
 Milstein said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press.
 [...]

 kurt


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RE: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread Tim Boozer


My question is why is it so different for football than it is for baseball
or basketball?  No college experience is required for either of these.
Personally, I think college should be a requirement for all of them, but it
isn't, so why the differentiation?



Even though you may be right Pat, I think it boils down to people being able
to run their business however they see fit. If you needed a new person at
your business and had a rule that anyone applying for the job would not be
considered qualified without a degree, then it's not the goverments place to
tell you that you are wrong.

It's your damn business!

The NFL has a rule that they don't consider anyone eligible until 3 years
after high school graduation. It's their damn business! They can run it
however they like without government intrusion.

Least that's my $.02


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Re: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread kurt rasmussen
Tim Boozer wrote:

 It's their damn business! They can run it
however they like without government intrusion.
What about the NCAA?  Can they run their organization however they like?

kurt

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RE: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread Tim Boozer


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Tim Boozer wrote:

  It's their damn business! They can run it
 however they like without government intrusion.

What about the NCAA?  Can they run their organization however they like?

kurt



Unfortunately, they can. Our current situation is living proof of that.

What it is going to boil down to for Clarrett is the question of monopoly. I
guess the NFL has already been ruled a monopoly, so the courts will probably
ultimately rule in his favor, even though in my opinion they should not
because he has other options for employment (AFL, NFL Europe) until he meets
the NFL guidelines.

Colleges don't have any other options for ongoing top level competition
other than the NCAA, and that is where I see the dividing line between the
monopoly run by the NFL and the monopoly run by the NCAA.


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Re: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread Jeff Todd
Hell fire, I can see it now! A grut big sine outside Walmarks that reeds:

-
ONLY WHITES NEED APPLY!
IT'S OUR DAMN BUSINESS!
WE'LL RUN IT HOWEVER WE LIKE!
---

Slef E.


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 Even though you may be right Pat, I think it boils down to people being able
 to run their business however they see fit. If you needed a new person at
 your business and had a rule that anyone applying for the job would not be
 considered qualified without a degree, then it's not the goverments place to
 tell you that you are wrong.
 
 It's your damn business!
 
 The NFL has a rule that they don't consider anyone eligible until 3 years
 after high school graduation. It's their damn business! They can run it
 however they like without government intrusion.
 
 Least that's my $.02



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Re: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread Jeff Todd
Gnaw it ain't. Them sumbitches in the NFL is fsckin' MEEN!

Slef E.

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 I don't have a problem with that except a sport is a sport is a sport.



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Re: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread Pat Smoot
Sleffie Rulez !!


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 Hell fire, I can see it now! A grut big sine outside Walmarks that reeds:

 -
 ONLY WHITES NEED APPLY!
 IT'S OUR DAMN BUSINESS!
 WE'LL RUN IT HOWEVER WE LIKE!
 ---

 Slef E.


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  Even though you may be right Pat, I think it boils down to people being
able
  to run their business however they see fit. If you needed a new person
at
  your business and had a rule that anyone applying for the job would not
be
  considered qualified without a degree, then it's not the goverments
place to
  tell you that you are wrong.
 
  It's your damn business!
 
  The NFL has a rule that they don't consider anyone eligible until 3
years
  after high school graduation. It's their damn business! They can run it
  however they like without government intrusion.
 
  Least that's my $.02



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RE: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread Tim Boozer


-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!


Hell fire, I can see it now! A grut big sine outside Walmarks that reeds:

-
ONLY WHITES NEED APPLY!
IT'S OUR DAMN BUSINESS!
WE'LL RUN IT HOWEVER WE LIKE!
---

Slef E.




Well, Slef, when you get right down to it, that's pretty much how I feel.
Even though I understand EEOC laws and generally support them. The laws were
definitely necessary at a time in our nations past and, IMO still are,
because the free marketplace does not always behave as perfectly as we would
like.

In your example though it would be a disaster for Wal-Mart though because by
and large, discrimination is no longer an accepted practice in our society.
They would lose a sizable chunk of their non-white customer base and a
sizable chunk of their white customer base that simply didn't want to be
associated with them. It would be a disaster for them, but in a perfect free
market that would be an option they would have. They could hire only a
certain racial group and suffer the consequences at the sales counter.


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Re: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread Jeff Todd
Is yawl missing teh dayum perint? Teh perint is: College footbawl is TEH DEVELOPMINTEL 
LIG for teh NFL. Thay (NFL) wonna git TREE YEERS two evalurate teh talint at KNOW 
CAWST two them! Thay donut wont two bea waystin know preshush draff pix own a UNPROVED 
COMMODETY! Lettin theese youngerns inder teh draff will eventwoally DELUTE TEH TALON 
LEVUL OFF TEH NFL! Dawnt yawl gitit?

Slefy

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 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:53 PM
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 Tim Boozer wrote:
 
   It's their damn business! They can run it
  however they like without government intrusion.
 
 What about the NCAA?  Can they run their organization however they like?
 
 kurt
 
 
 
 Unfortunately, they can. Our current situation is living proof of that.
 
 What it is going to boil down to for Clarrett is the question of monopoly. I
 guess the NFL has already been ruled a monopoly, so the courts will probably
 ultimately rule in his favor, even though in my opinion they should not
 because he has other options for employment (AFL, NFL Europe) until he meets
 the NFL guidelines.
 
 Colleges don't have any other options for ongoing top level competition
 other than the NCAA, and that is where I see the dividing line between the
 monopoly run by the NFL and the monopoly run by the NCAA.
 
 
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Re: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread Pat Smoot
Bullshit, Tim.  I spend more at WalMart in a week than any minority would
spend in six months.  It's the same concept.  Private market  the ability
to do as you choose.  Sorry, Slef is right.  BTW, Fuck the EEOC laws.


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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of Jeff Todd
 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:16 PM
 To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!
 
 
 Hell fire, I can see it now! A grut big sine outside Walmarks that reeds:
 
 -
 ONLY WHITES NEED APPLY!
 IT'S OUR DAMN BUSINESS!
 WE'LL RUN IT HOWEVER WE LIKE!
 ---
 
 Slef E.
 



 Well, Slef, when you get right down to it, that's pretty much how I feel.
 Even though I understand EEOC laws and generally support them. The laws
were
 definitely necessary at a time in our nations past and, IMO still are,
 because the free marketplace does not always behave as perfectly as we
would
 like.

 In your example though it would be a disaster for Wal-Mart though because
by
 and large, discrimination is no longer an accepted practice in our
society.
 They would lose a sizable chunk of their non-white customer base and a
 sizable chunk of their white customer base that simply didn't want to be
 associated with them. It would be a disaster for them, but in a perfect
free
 market that would be an option they would have. They could hire only a
 certain racial group and suffer the consequences at the sales counter.


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Re: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread Jeff Todd
Deer Tim,

Wonst you reel eyes that teh NFL is useing colige footbawl two keep from halfing two 
pay colured boeys to sea if'n tehr eny goot, yewl unnerstan teh plite off MORICE 
CLARINETTE! White E. is holdun teh bruthers bake! Teh NFL cane pay theym KNOW are pay 
theym REPURAYSHINS L8R!

Slefy

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of Jeff Todd
 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:16 PM
 To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List
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 Hell fire, I can see it now! A grut big sine outside Walmarks that reeds:
 
 -
 ONLY WHITES NEED APPLY!
 IT'S OUR DAMN BUSINESS!
 WE'LL RUN IT HOWEVER WE LIKE!
 ---
 
 Slef E.
 
 
 
 
 Well, Slef, when you get right down to it, that's pretty much how I feel.
 Even though I understand EEOC laws and generally support them. The laws were
 definitely necessary at a time in our nations past and, IMO still are,
 because the free marketplace does not always behave as perfectly as we would
 like.
 
 In your example though it would be a disaster for Wal-Mart though because by
 and large, discrimination is no longer an accepted practice in our society.
 They would lose a sizable chunk of their non-white customer base and a
 sizable chunk of their white customer base that simply didn't want to be
 associated with them. It would be a disaster for them, but in a perfect free
 market that would be an option they would have. They could hire only a
 certain racial group and suffer the consequences at the sales counter.
 
 
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RE: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread Tim Boozer


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Is yawl missing teh dayum perint? Teh perint is: College footbawl
is TEH DEVELOPMINTEL LIG for teh NFL. Thay (NFL) wonna git TREE
YEERS two evalurate teh talint at KNOW CAWST two them! Thay donut
wont two bea waystin know preshush draff pix own a UNPROVED
COMMODETY! Lettin theese youngerns inder teh draff will
eventwoally DELUTE TEH TALON LEVUL OFF TEH NFL! Dawnt yawl gitit?

Slefy


How much longer does it take you to write in gibberish than it would to just
type the normal way?


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RE: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread Tim Boozer


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Well, Tim is a buddy of mine, regardless of how warped he his.  I'm the one
that invited him to join the list.


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 Anjist waht teh hell is yuo apolojizeun fore?

 Slefe

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  Sorry, Slef is right.





Dammit!


Test test test - why is my stuff not showing up!!!


Help!


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Re: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread Jeff Todd
You're mighty close, Tim. I'm saying the NFL should be forced to allow anyone who 
wants to, enter their draft. Here's the trick: If you (NFL) aren't sure about the 
player - DON'T FSCKIN' DRAFT 'EM! And the NCAA shouldn't restore their eligibility 
when a player declares and doesn't get drafted. If these players want to play with 
grown men, they should have to suffer the consequences like grown men.

Slef E.

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 are you saying that the NFL should be forced to take Clarett even if they don't
 want him?



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Re: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread Joe Goodson
Yeah.  What she said.
Joe
It already appears, that there must be in every society of men superiors and
inferiors, because God has laid in the constitution and course of nature the
foundations of the distinction.
  - John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776

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 Bullshit, Tim.  I spend more at WalMart in a week than any minority would
 spend in six months.  It's the same concept.  Private market  the ability
 to do as you choose.  Sorry, Slef is right.  BTW, Fuck the EEOC laws.


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  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Behalf Of Jeff Todd
  Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:16 PM
  To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List
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  Hell fire, I can see it now! A grut big sine outside Walmarks that
reeds:
  
  -
  ONLY WHITES NEED APPLY!
  IT'S OUR DAMN BUSINESS!
  WE'LL RUN IT HOWEVER WE LIKE!
  ---
  
  Slef E.
  
 
 
 
  Well, Slef, when you get right down to it, that's pretty much how I
feel.
  Even though I understand EEOC laws and generally support them. The laws
 were
  definitely necessary at a time in our nations past and, IMO still are,
  because the free marketplace does not always behave as perfectly as we
 would
  like.
 
  In your example though it would be a disaster for Wal-Mart though
because
 by
  and large, discrimination is no longer an accepted practice in our
 society.
  They would lose a sizable chunk of their non-white customer base and a
  sizable chunk of their white customer base that simply didn't want to be
  associated with them. It would be a disaster for them, but in a perfect
 free
  market that would be an option they would have. They could hire only a
  certain racial group and suffer the consequences at the sales counter.
 
 
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Re: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread Jeff Todd

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 It is almost a guarantee that if this guy can beat the NFL's rules and
 become eligible for the draft, then someone will draft him and give him a
 big fat signing bonus even if he never plays a down.

I think he'll be drafted, but I don't think he'll be drafted high enough to get much 
of a signing bonus. Probably a lot more money than he has in his pocket at the moment, 
but chump-change by NFL standards.

 Other players see it
 and are therefore encouraged to do the same.

I see the opposite. I think players will see what HuGe risk it is with no guarantee of 
being selected, and stay put. Besides, I think you'll only see a very small number of 
bonafide NFL caliber underclassmen take that chance. The others will be the Chris 
Hood's of college football, and David Paine's of high school football.

 That drains the talent pool

Most teams won't lose a single, eligible player. How many declared after the first 
ruling, as an example?

 and
 doesn't allow coaches to plan because they can't depend on their players
 staying around.

Health, mental stability, and academic eligibility can't be depened on, either. Trust 
me, early entry into the NFL draft will probably be the very least of their concerns.

 As a college football fan, I don't like that because I think
 it ultimately hurts both college football AND the NFL.

Growing pains, dude. They'll live.

Slef E.


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Re: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!

2004-04-20 Thread Jamie Watts

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Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!




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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of Jeff Todd
 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:16 PM
 To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Teh Supreme court by Gawd!
 
 
 Hell fire, I can see it now! A grut big sine outside Walmarks that reeds:
 
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 ONLY WHITES NEED APPLY!
 IT'S OUR DAMN BUSINESS!
 WE'LL RUN IT HOWEVER WE LIKE!
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 Slef E.
 



 Well, Slef, when you get right down to it, that's pretty much how I feel.
 Even though I understand EEOC laws and generally support them. The laws
were
 definitely necessary at a time in our nations past and, IMO still are,
 because the free marketplace does not always behave as perfectly as we
would
 like.

 In your example though it would be a disaster for Wal-Mart though because
by
 and large, discrimination is no longer an accepted practice in our
society.
 They would lose a sizable chunk of their non-white customer base and a
 sizable chunk of their white customer base that simply didn't want to be
 associated with them. It would be a disaster for them, but in a perfect
free
 market that would be an option they would have. They could hire only a
 certain racial group and suffer the consequences at the sales counter.

A-FUGGIN'- MENJamie


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