Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
Jason, you used to make good sense. Is it the marriage thing that has fucked up your thinking processes? - Original Message - From: Jason Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm not a huge Joe Kines fan either, but I think he had shit to work with last year, and will again this year. And I find it curious that according to season stats, our offense sucked MUCH worse than our defense last year. And it was basically Shula's offense. But I don't hear a deafening fire Shula chorus like I do for Joe Kines. Given our situation last year, I think we would have sucked with Lombardi, Bryant and Tom Landry coaching. And I don't think we'll be much better this year. - Original Message - From: Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Slef E. (The *E* stands for FIRE JOE KINES!) __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
I'm not sure how to take that, so I'll just re-iterate that I'm not a huge Joe Kines fan either, nor am I enamored with much of our pieced-together staff. But the infinite wisdom and ability of our fans to spot the whole problem of a football team in 10 seconds, while rolling their eyes at the stupidity of our head coach and admin folks who can't see said problem amazes me... - Original Message - From: Pat Smoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason, you used to make good sense. Is it the marriage thing that has fucked up your thinking processes? __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
Jason, did you just say: FIRE MIKE SHULA! :) Slef E. - Original Message - From: Jason Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pat Smoot [EMAIL PROTECTED]; RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm not sure how to take that, so I'll just re-iterate that I'm not a huge Joe Kines fan either, nor am I enamored with much of our pieced-together staff. But the infinite wisdom and ability of our fans to spot the whole problem of a football team in 10 seconds, while rolling their eyes at the stupidity of our head coach and admin folks who can't see said problem amazes me... __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
Oh ye have little faith. Confidence is half the battle in football. We WILL have a winning season. Period! Joe It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981 - Original Message - From: Jason Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm not a huge Joe Kines fan either, but I think he had shit to work with last year, and will again this year. And I find it curious that according to season stats, our offense sucked MUCH worse than our defense last year. And it was basically Shula's offense. But I don't hear a deafening fire Shula chorus like I do for Joe Kines. Given our situation last year, I think we would have sucked with Lombardi, Bryant and Tom Landry coaching. And I don't think we'll be much better this year. - Original Message - From: Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Slef E. (The *E* stands for FIRE JOE KINES!) __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
You do have a bit of a point there. We are not in the mix and don't know how hard they do (or don't) try to do their job effectively. But you have to admit, the defense did cost us a few games last year. However, Coach Shula thinks that Coach Kines will be an asset, and that is good enough for me to grudgingly give my modest blessing. I will support Coach Shula unconditionally for another two years. After that.. Joe It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981 - Original Message - From: Jason Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pat Smoot [EMAIL PROTECTED]; RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? But the infinite wisdom and ability of our fans to spot the whole problem of a football team in 10 seconds, while rolling their eyes at the stupidity of our head coach and admin folks who can't see said problem amazes me... __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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M Laborde wrote: 4th and 19... 4th and nine-fucking-teen!!! The agony of that will be felt in my heart for the rest of my life. PR33CH JAVVY!! PR33CH!! ! In 5 damn OT's!FIVE!! And against the team that is, arguably, our biggest rival. True dat. I hate Tessesse and so should you! kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. - Original Message - From: kurtrasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rtf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? http://www.al.com/sports/mobileregister/pfinebaum.ssf?/base/sports/1088241474144560.xml Have we seen last of Oliver? Saturday, June 26, 2004 At 64, Bill Oliver looks healthy as a horse. He is tanned, muscular, still wearing that familiar cocky grin and his closest friends say he still has a burning itch to coach again. But will he? Will one of the finest defensive coordinators in Southeastern Conference history come back to the game that has dealt him a bizarre series of cruel twists and fates? After all, this is a man who, at least by most accounts, had been promised both the head coaching position at Alabama, his alma mater, and at Auburn, where he served five games as interim coach after the tumultuous resignation of Terry Bowden. When you ask Oliver about the past, he shrugs his shoulders as if it doesn't matter any more. He says he is content living at Lake Martin, fishing, gardening, playing golf and spending time with the grandkids. About the future, his response is equally noncommittal. You never know, Oliver said recently. On the record, that's about all you're going to get from a man who rarely did much talking to the news media. However, friends of Oliver say they do know and had Mike Shula opted to replace Joe Kines after last year's calamitous 4-9 record, Oliver would have been more than willing to return to Tuscaloosa, where a dozen years ago he sculpted the Alabama defense into a magnum opus. Gene Stallings made millions and cemented his legacy as a result of the 34-13 win over Miami, which gave Alabama its 12th national championship. Oliver got a nice pat on the back. Going into that 1993 Sugar Bowl game, many thought Stallings was close to retirement. In fact, Hootie Ingram, the Alabama athletics director and the man who hired Oliver from Clemson to work for Stallings, had promised Brother Bill, as he is known affectionately by friends, the job of replacing the man from Paris, Texas. However, Stallings decided to keep coaching and some believe hung on several more years in order to keep Oliver from getting the job. Stallings had tense relations with many of his staff and Oliver was no exception. Finally, in December 1995, when it became plain Stallings was not going to step down -- even in the wake of the devastating NCAA probation over Antonio Langham -- Oliver decided he'd had enough. He and Stallings were barely speaking, so Oliver put in for retirement. Bowden caught wind of this and set up a meeting. Within two weeks, Oliver had signed a lucrative contract to replace Wayne Hall as defensive coordinator on the Plains. Steve Spurrier had also tried to woo Oliver to Gainesville (and later spoke to him about coming to the Washington Redskins). With the move to Auburn, some Alabama fans were outraged and Oliver was nicknamed Benedict Oliver. As the Bowden regime imploded in 1998, Oliver was elevated to replace him, and David Housel, the athletics director, was literally on the verge of naming him the permanent coach until a small band of influential trustees -- along with former coach Pat Dye -- intervened and put the kibosh on Oliver. Eventually, Tommy Tuberville was hired and, despite several conversations, chose not to retain Oliver as defensive coordinator. Oliver sued the university and eventually was given a settlement. My guess is Auburn probably made the right decision in moving forward. Although Oliver was very popular among the players, Auburn needed a clean break. However, the school that may have made the biggest mistake was Alabama. Had Stallings stepped down a year earlier -- and he certainly should have -- it is very likely Oliver would have had a nice and successful run at the Capstone. Oliver, who had been a head coach at Chattanooga, would have been far more mature and able to handle the pressures of the Alabama job than Mike DuBose. It's difficult to say if Alabama would have completely avoided the NCAA mess. However, most agree Oliver would have given the school stronger leadership, something sorely missing during this critical transitional period. Even if Oliver ever coaches again, he will certainly go down in the laurels of this state's football history as a footnote, being the only person in modern time who was promised both the head coaching positions at Alabama and Auburn. The past doesn't matter any more to Oliver; he has moved on. But have we seen the last of him on the state's football fields? Or does Brother Bill have a final act in him? If Alabama fans see a repeat of last year's debacle (see Tennessee converting on a fourth-and-19 in overtime against Alabama's defense), more than
RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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Iyamwidjya on that one. Joe It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981 - Original Message - From: Pat Smoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. - Original Message - From: kurtrasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rtf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? http://www.al.com/sports/mobileregister/pfinebaum.ssf?/base/sports/1088241474144560.xml Have we seen last of Oliver? Saturday, June 26, 2004 At 64, Bill Oliver looks healthy as a horse. He is tanned, muscular, still wearing that familiar cocky grin and his closest friends say he still has a burning itch to coach again. But will he? Will one of the finest defensive coordinators in Southeastern Conference history come back to the game that has dealt him a bizarre series of cruel twists and fates? After all, this is a man who, at least by most accounts, had been promised both the head coaching position at Alabama, his alma mater, and at Auburn, where he served five games as interim coach after the tumultuous resignation of Terry Bowden. When you ask Oliver about the past, he shrugs his shoulders as if it doesn't matter any more. He says he is content living at Lake Martin, fishing, gardening, playing golf and spending time with the grandkids. About the future, his response is equally noncommittal. You never know, Oliver said recently. On the record, that's about all you're going to get from a man who rarely did much talking to the news media. However, friends of Oliver say they do know and had Mike Shula opted to replace Joe Kines after last year's calamitous 4-9 record, Oliver would have been more than willing to return to Tuscaloosa, where a dozen years ago he sculpted the Alabama defense into a magnum opus. Gene Stallings made millions and cemented his legacy as a result of the 34-13 win over Miami, which gave Alabama its 12th national championship. Oliver got a nice pat on the back. Going into that 1993 Sugar Bowl game, many thought Stallings was close to retirement. In fact, Hootie Ingram, the Alabama athletics director and the man who hired Oliver from Clemson to work for Stallings, had promised Brother Bill, as he is known affectionately by friends, the job of replacing the man from Paris, Texas. However, Stallings decided to keep coaching and some believe hung on several more years in order to keep Oliver from getting the job. Stallings had tense relations with many of his staff and Oliver was no exception. Finally, in December 1995, when it became plain Stallings was not going to step down -- even in the wake of the devastating NCAA probation over Antonio Langham -- Oliver decided he'd had enough. He and Stallings were barely speaking, so Oliver put in for retirement. Bowden caught wind of this and set up a meeting. Within two weeks, Oliver had signed a lucrative contract to replace Wayne Hall as defensive coordinator on the Plains. Steve Spurrier had also tried to woo Oliver to Gainesville (and later spoke to him about coming to the Washington Redskins). With the move to Auburn, some Alabama fans were outraged and Oliver was nicknamed Benedict Oliver. As the Bowden regime imploded in 1998, Oliver was elevated to replace him, and David Housel, the athletics director, was literally on the verge of naming him the permanent coach until a small band of influential trustees -- along with former coach Pat Dye -- intervened and put the kibosh on Oliver. Eventually, Tommy Tuberville was hired and, despite several conversations, chose not to retain Oliver as defensive coordinator. Oliver sued the university and eventually was given a settlement. My guess is Auburn probably made the right decision in moving forward. Although Oliver was very popular among the players, Auburn needed a clean break. However, the school that may have made the biggest mistake was Alabama. Had Stallings stepped down a year earlier -- and he certainly should have -- it is very likely Oliver would have had a nice and successful run at the Capstone. Oliver, who had been a head coach at Chattanooga, would have been far more mature and able to handle the pressures of the Alabama job than Mike DuBose. It's difficult to say if Alabama would have completely avoided the NCAA mess. However, most agree Oliver would
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
I watched a DVD recording of the 92 Miami game a few nights ago. The way Oliver's defense decimated the Heisman trophy boy's offense just amazed me. I would love to have that kind of team on the field again. Teague was a force to be reckoned with. Oliver coached him. Could he come back and know his place and act like it? Who knows. Will Kines turn his vanilla defense into a Bama defense? Gawd, I hope so. Joe It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981 - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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Lord, I remember the Red Elephant Club meeting where BO came up with the game film from that game and went over each and every defensive playthere wasn't much left for the wives after that meeting. It was a true Alabama fest and couldn't get any better...I mean having the man there giving the inside scoop on what the thinking was, how Miami had been planned for and seeing it all executed on THE game filmAGAIN! Those were the days! ScR -Original Message- From: Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 26, 2004 11:51 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I watched a DVD recording of the 92 Miami game a few nights ago. The way Oliver's defense decimated the Heisman trophy boy's offense just amazed me. I would love to have that kind of team on the field again. Teague was a force to be reckoned with. Oliver coached him. Could he come back and know his place and act like it? Who knows. Will Kines turn his vanilla defense into a Bama defense? Gawd, I hope so. Joe It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981 - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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I don't believe at Brother Bill's age, he is going to be after the head coach position any more. His defenses win championships that's all I care about. - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
Teague was a force to be reckoned with. Oliver coached him. Kines could have coached him, too. Teague spent how many years in the League? Think Roman Harper will have that kind of career? Me, neither. Will Kines turn his vanilla defense into a Bama defense? Only when Kines gets the kind of players needed for a Bama defense. We can't turn Anthony Madison into Antonio Langham just by putting a crimson shirt on him. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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Do you remember Derrick Thomas? T --- Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched a DVD recording of the 92 Miami game a few nights ago. The way Oliver's defense decimated the Heisman trophy boy's offense just amazed me. I would love to have that kind of team on the field again. Teague was a force to be reckoned with. Oliver coached him. Could he come back and know his place and act like it? Who knows. Will Kines turn his vanilla defense into a Bama defense? Gawd, I hope so. Joe It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981 - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net _ TideFans.com: FREE for the BamaNation FREE Registration on TideFans.com: - FREE Email Address: http://freemail.TideFans.com FREE WebSpace: http://signup.TideFans.com FREE Alabama Newsletter: http://TideFans.com/ALWKLY FREE Message Boards: http://TideFans.com/boards/signup.htm Visit TideFans.com for daily updates on football, recruiting, basketball, baseball, and to share your thoughts in our message boards and chatrooms. Database of all Bama games ever played and more! Best of all...EVERYTHING'S FREE! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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The idea that Kines is going anywhere is simply out of this world. That, coming straight from the horse's mouth. Oliver sank his own ship with his appearances on Finebaum. He is persona non grata at the University. That, again, straight from the __ mouth. T --- Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net _ TideFans.com: FREE for the BamaNation FREE Registration on TideFans.com: - FREE Email Address: http://freemail.TideFans.com FREE WebSpace: http://signup.TideFans.com FREE Alabama Newsletter: http://TideFans.com/ALWKLY FREE Message Boards: http://TideFans.com/boards/signup.htm Visit TideFans.com for daily updates on football, recruiting, basketball, baseball, and to share your thoughts in our message boards and chatrooms. Database of all Bama games ever played and more! Best of all...EVERYTHING'S FREE! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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Who could forget? Joe It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981 - Original Message - From: Terry Pellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? Do you remember Derrick Thomas? T --- Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched a DVD recording of the 92 Miami game a few nights ago. The way Oliver's defense decimated the Heisman trophy boy's offense just amazed me. I would love to have that kind of team on the field again. Teague was a force to be reckoned with. Oliver coached him. Could he come back and know his place and act like it? Who knows. Will Kines turn his vanilla defense into a Bama defense? Gawd, I hope so. Joe It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981 - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net _ TideFans.com: FREE for the BamaNation FREE Registration on TideFans.com: - FREE Email Address: http://freemail.TideFans.com FREE WebSpace: http://signup.TideFans.com FREE Alabama Newsletter: http://TideFans.com/ALWKLY FREE Message Boards: http://TideFans.com/boards/signup.htm Visit TideFans.com for daily updates on football, recruiting, basketball, baseball, and to share your thoughts in our message boards and chatrooms. Database of all Bama games ever played and more! Best of all...EVERYTHING'S FREE! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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I missed that one. How bad was it? Joe It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981 - Original Message - From: Terry Pellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 12:47 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? The idea that Kines is going anywhere is simply out of this world. That, coming straight from the horse's mouth. Oliver sank his own ship with his appearances on Finebaum. He is persona non grata at the University. That, again, straight from the __ mouth. T --- Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net _ TideFans.com: FREE for the BamaNation FREE Registration on TideFans.com: - FREE Email Address: http://freemail.TideFans.com FREE WebSpace: http://signup.TideFans.com FREE Alabama Newsletter: http://TideFans.com/ALWKLY FREE Message Boards: http://TideFans.com/boards/signup.htm Visit TideFans.com for daily updates on football, recruiting, basketball, baseball, and to share your thoughts in our message boards and chatrooms. Database of all Bama games ever played and more! Best of all...EVERYTHING'S FREE! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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- Original Message - From: Jason Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? Teague was a force to be reckoned with. Oliver coached him. Kines could have coached him, too. Yes, and Teague probably wouldn't have been as good after four years with Kines as he was as a Senior in high school. Teague spent how many years in the League? Six, or several thanks to the expert tutelage of Brother and CGS. Think Roman Harper will have that kind of career? Me, neither. Think Harper will get any worthwhile coaching while he's at BAMA? Me, neither. Will Kines turn his vanilla defense into a Bama defense? Only when Kines gets the kind of players needed for a Bama defense. You mean a finished product kind of player that he can't fsck up. We can't turn Anthony Madison into Antonio Langham just by putting a crimson shirt on him. Langham would have been a RB if Brother hadn't persuaded CGS to let him have him. I read that somewhere not too long ago. Slef E. (The *E* stands for FIRE JOE KINES!) __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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I'm not a huge Joe Kines fan either, but I think he had shit to work with last year, and will again this year. And I find it curious that according to season stats, our offense sucked MUCH worse than our defense last year. And it was basically Shula's offense. But I don't hear a deafening fire Shula chorus like I do for Joe Kines. Given our situation last year, I think we would have sucked with Lombardi, Bryant and Tom Landry coaching. And I don't think we'll be much better this year. - Original Message - From: Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Slef E. (The *E* stands for FIRE JOE KINES!) __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
- Original Message - From: Jason Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm not a huge Joe Kines fan either, but I think he had shit to work with last year, and will again this year. He had enough shit to work with to beat Tennessee and Arkansas. AND DIDN'T! And I find it curious that according to season stats, our offense sucked MUCH worse than our defense last year. Looks And it was basically Shula's offense. But I don't hear a deafening fire Shula chorus like I do for Joe Kines. Shula's offense scored more than enough points to beat Tennessee and Arkansas. But while I'm at it...FIRE DAVE RADER! Given our situation last year, I think we would have sucked with Lombardi, Bryant and Tom Landry coaching. No way in hell we'd have lost to Tennessee and Arkansas with any one of that trio calling the defense, much less all three. And I don't think we'll be much better this year. I think we'll be at least two wins better. And if Shula leaves that Catholic Cult and becomes a good, old-fashioned Southern Baptist we'll win seven. Roll Tide!! Slef E. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
