[sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: use Sage!
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Minh Nguyen mvngu.n...@gmail.com wrote: Hi William, On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:41 AM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Would somebody like Minh Nguyen be willing to do technical copyediting in exchange for a percentage of sales? I might be crazy for saying this, but I would rather donate my time for copy editing than risk a conflict of interest. That's not crazy at all. It's exactly the spirit that makes Sage great! -- William -- Regards, Minh Van Nguyen http://bit.ly/mvngu -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-combinat-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-combinat-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-combinat-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-combinat-devel?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: use Sage!
That's not crazy at all. It's exactly the spirit that makes Sage great! You seem to elude the possibility that this might be crazy AND be what makes Sage great. Nathann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-combinat-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-combinat-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-combinat-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-combinat-devel?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: use Sage!
[Followup-To: header set to gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.devel.] On 2013-06-03, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:00 PM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: [...] but if you have already written it and Springer would like to publish it, and it doesn't interfere with your ownership, it seems like you have nothing to lose. But make sure you don't give away something unintentionally, whether it is right or your valuable time and energy. RJF You make some excellent points. I think a review process, editorial board, and useful reviews/rankings on Amazon.com are starting to matter more to people than it's published by Springer (or O'Reilly). IMHO reputations of Springer series are going down fast, at least some of them. I received two books to referee for one of such series marketed as for ... rapid dissemination of novel blah blah... in the past year, and in both cases they were of pathetic quality (e.g. one being a slighly rearranged 15-year old obscure university-published book, where one can e.g. find results of computational experiments run on a 133MHz Pentium machine, etc etc). And my negative reports were ignored all togther. Even more telling is that one of the book's authors is one of Editors of the very same series... These are things we can accomplish together, and it will be exactly the same amount of work as it would be to put together a series through Springer. For example, we can encourage many people on sage-devel to fill out amazon.com reviews of the books, so people will get a sense that the book has been looked at by experts. Also, Springer would charge about $40/copy, and give us about $5 royalties per book. I think we could charge $20/copy and make twice as much per book sold (not that making money is a motivation for this sort of thing!), while charging readers half as much. See http://www.amazon.com/Calcul-math%C3%A9matique-avec-Sage-Zimmerman/dp/1481191047/ for an example. What do people think? Do you think we can create our own series, of just as high of quality as Springer, but more inexpensive for readers, and with a creative commons license? Would somebody like Minh Nguyen be willing to do technical copyediting in exchange for a percentage of sales? -- William -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-combinat-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-combinat-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-combinat-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-combinat-devel?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: use Sage!
[this didn't make it past gmane, so I repost here, sorry; I also add few things] On Tuesday, 4 June 2013 00:41:19 UTC+8, William wrote: On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:00 PM, rjf fat...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: [...] but if you have already written it and Springer would like to publish it, and it doesn't interfere with your ownership, it seems like you have nothing to lose. But make sure you don't give away something unintentionally, whether it is right or your valuable time and energy. RJF You make some excellent points. I think a review process, editorial board, and useful reviews/rankings on Amazon.com are starting to matter more to people than it's published by Springer (or O'Reilly). IMHO reputations of Springer series are going down fast, at least some of them. I received two books to referee for one of such series marketed as for ... rapid dissemination of novel blah blah... in the past year, and in both cases they were of pathetic quality (e.g. one being a slighly rearranged 15-year old obscure university-published book, where one can e.g. find results of computational experiments run on a 133MHz Pentium machine, etc etc). And my negative reports were ignored all togther. Even more telling is that one of the book's authors is one of Editors of the very same series... These are things we can accomplish together, and it will be exactly the same amount of work as it would be to put together a series through Springer. For example, we can encourage many people on sage-devel to fill out amazon.com reviews of the books, so people will get a sense that the book has been looked at by experts. Also, Springer would charge about $40/copy, and give us about $5 royalties per book. I think we could charge $20/copy and make twice as much per book sold (not that making money is a motivation for this sort of thing!), while charging readers half as much. See http://www.amazon.com/Calcul-math%C3%A9matique-avec-Sage-Zimmerman/dp/1481191047/ for an example. What do people think? Do you think we can create our own series, of just as high of quality as Springer, but more inexpensive for readers, and with a creative commons license? I think that's the way to go. New series by well-established commercial publishers pop up like mushrooms lately, and have little credibility. Would somebody like Minh Nguyen be willing to do technical copyediting in exchange for a percentage of sales? I suppose such people will be around, be it Minh (who certainly would do a great job) or someone else. -- William -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-combinat-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-combinat-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-combinat-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-combinat-devel?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: use Sage!
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:00 PM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: [...] but if you have already written it and Springer would like to publish it, and it doesn't interfere with your ownership, it seems like you have nothing to lose. But make sure you don't give away something unintentionally, whether it is right or your valuable time and energy. RJF You make some excellent points. I think a review process, editorial board, and useful reviews/rankings on Amazon.com are starting to matter more to people than it's published by Springer (or O'Reilly). These are things we can accomplish together, and it will be exactly the same amount of work as it would be to put together a series through Springer. For example, we can encourage many people on sage-devel to fill out amazon.com reviews of the books, so people will get a sense that the book has been looked at by experts. Also, Springer would charge about $40/copy, and give us about $5 royalties per book. I think we could charge $20/copy and make twice as much per book sold (not that making money is a motivation for this sort of thing!), while charging readers half as much. See http://www.amazon.com/Calcul-math%C3%A9matique-avec-Sage-Zimmerman/dp/1481191047/ for an example. What do people think? Do you think we can create our own series, of just as high of quality as Springer, but more inexpensive for readers, and with a creative commons license? Would somebody like Minh Nguyen be willing to do technical copyediting in exchange for a percentage of sales? -- William -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-combinat-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-combinat-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-combinat-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-combinat-devel?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: use Sage!
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:41 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: ... I think a review process, editorial board, and useful reviews/rankings on Amazon.com are starting to matter more to people than it's published by Springer (or O'Reilly). These are things we can accomplish together, and it will be exactly the same amount of work as it would be to put together a series through Springer. For example, we can encourage many people on sage-devel to fill out amazon.com reviews of the books, so people will get a sense that the book has been looked at by experts. Also, Springer would charge about $40/copy, and give us about $5 royalties per book. I think we could charge $20/copy and make twice as much per book sold (not that making money is a motivation for this sort of thing!), while charging readers half as much. See http://www.amazon.com/Calcul-math%C3%A9matique-avec-Sage-Zimmerman/dp/1481191047/ for an example. What do people think? Do you think we can create our own series, of just as high of quality as Springer, but more inexpensive for readers, and with a creative commons license? I like the idea. It depends on what just as high a quality as Springer means. I'm also curious how easy is it be for a library to buy a book from such a custom-made series? Guaranteed university+college library sales would help a lot. Would somebody like Minh Nguyen be willing to do technical copyediting in exchange for a percentage of sales? If sales were low, the money might not accurately reflect the value of the labor, so it would depend on the availability of the editor's time. -- William -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-combinat-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-combinat-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-combinat-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-combinat-devel?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-combinat-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-combinat-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-combinat-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-combinat-devel?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: use Sage!
On Monday, June 3, 2013 9:41:19 AM UTC-7, William wrote: What do people think? Do you think we can create our own series, of just as high of quality as Springer, but more inexpensive for readers, and with a creative commons license? Yes. +1. Would somebody like Minh Nguyen be willing to do technical copyediting in exchange for a percentage of sales? Minh is too tough a copy editor. ;-) (Seriously, he would ensure the quality is very high.) Rob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-combinat-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-combinat-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-combinat-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-combinat-devel?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: use Sage!
Looks like Springer behaves in this market as Apple in personal computers, charging more for reasons not always clear... Just for fun : http://www.springer.com/computer/theoretical+computer+science/book/978-3-642-14763-0 And I found this one yesterday : http://www.springer.com/statistics/statistical+theory+and+methods/book/978-0-387-98766-8 Nathann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-combinat-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-combinat-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-combinat-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-combinat-devel?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
