Linux Format
For those who don't read it, this months Linux Format includes SimCoupe in the feature on Emulators, giving it almost a full page and some good press. Huzzah! Tim
RE: Linux Format
What i bet it doesnt say is, if you really want to enjoy this machine - try and locate one on ebay :D Nothing beats the real thing. A. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tim P Sent: 15 August 2002 22:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Users Subject: Linux Format For those who don't read it, this months Linux Format includes SimCoupe in the feature on Emulators, giving it almost a full page and some good press. Huzzah! Tim
Re: Copyright etc
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:42:07 +0100 Gavin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's two camps in the copyright arguement - those who don't give a monkeys about copyright on SAM software, see it as a dead machine and think all its software should be free. Then there's the people who stick to the copyrights religiously (at least in public!) and see no way round it. I'm going to try and adopt a sensible compromise with copyrighted software. ftp.nvg.ntnu.no is based on the compromise. Hopefully I have not steped on any toes. -Frode PS: Why do we need a new file library? -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ | Ericsson AS.| Isebakkeveien 49 | | N-1788 Halden | Phone: +47 67 25 09 39 | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; |
Re: Copyright etc
- Original Message - From: Gavin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: Copyright etc I *really* hate to bring this up again, but I need to ask your opinions...I'll paste the below and I'd be very interested in your opinions either on or off list, especially if you've ever developed or published SAM software in the past. It's in relation to the File Library I'm putting together for the SC site. There's two camps in the copyright arguement - those who don't give a monkeys about copyright on SAM software, see it as a dead machine and think all its software should be free. Then there's the people who stick to the copyrights religiously (at least in public!) and see no way round Snip I don't have any problem with anything I wrote for the Sam being made available (though I think I've said this before)as long as no charge is made and my name remains on it. Good luck Ian (Spencer)
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Am Fre, 2002-08-16 um 10.18 schrieb Ian Spencer: - Original Message - From: Gavin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: Copyright etc I *really* hate to bring this up again, but I need to ask your opinions...I'll paste the below and I'd be very interested in your opinions either on or off list, especially if you've ever developed or published SAM software in the past. It's in relation to the File Library I'm putting together for the SC site. There's two camps in the copyright arguement - those who don't give a monkeys about copyright on SAM software, see it as a dead machine and think all its software should be free. Then there's the people who stick to the copyrights religiously (at least in public!) and see no way round Snip I don't have any problem with anything I wrote for the Sam being made available (though I think I've said this before)as long as no charge is made and my name remains on it. Good luck Ian (Spencer) As I think. I do not know if there is anything available from me at the web but if you found somethingit is okay! Stephan
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What i bet it doesnt say is, if you really want to enjoy this machine - try and locate one on ebay :D Nothing beats the real thing. Actually I disagree. The emulator is now fast, accurate and featured enough that it's far easier to code than using the sam ever was. Using Comet in fast mode (at 300% or so) is absolutely marvellous. Once Si gets his real-time hardware debugger sorted things would become even easier. No searching for (or switching!) floppies, no problems with dodgy cables (I guess that was my fault rather than Sam's :) and in a window too, so I can have the z80 timing reference (it's been a while, ok? :) right next to the code screen. Geoff
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Nahhh, your missing the point. I know the emulator is basically perfect, but its just not like having the real thing sitting there (I trust you have got the real thing as the rom is still copyrighted and hence the emulator is only legal to those with a sam). Dont have the floppies problem with an Atom HD, screen display is fine, especially if you do the shadow fix - Get issue 1 of Sam Revival for full details on that. Quazar surround sound, gotta love things like stratosphere (even if it is a touch hard :D ). Its like, I can play all the arcade games I want on MAME, so why have i built a full size cabinet in my garage so i can buy the Arcade PCB's? Am I just mad, probably. But still emulators just dont have the same appeal to me. On the point of a debugger, ive already got one for the actual sam, TurboMon, now who wrote that? :) (And yes its an original) A. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Winkless, Geoff Sent: 16 August 2002 09:37 To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no' Subject: RE: Linux Format What i bet it doesnt say is, if you really want to enjoy this machine - try and locate one on ebay :D Nothing beats the real thing. Actually I disagree. The emulator is now fast, accurate and featured enough that it's far easier to code than using the sam ever was. Using Comet in fast mode (at 300% or so) is absolutely marvellous. Once Si gets his real-time hardware debugger sorted things would become even easier. No searching for (or switching!) floppies, no problems with dodgy cables (I guess that was my fault rather than Sam's :) and in a window too, so I can have the z80 timing reference (it's been a while, ok? :) right next to the code screen. Geoff
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Sorry, the roms have been given permission to be distributed with the emulator although the rights still remain with Dr A.Wright. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adrian Brown Sent: 16 August 2002 10:26 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Linux Format Nahhh, your missing the point. I know the emulator is basically perfect, but its just not like having the real thing sitting there (I trust you have got the real thing as the rom is still copyrighted and hence the emulator is only legal to those with a sam). Dont have the floppies problem with an Atom HD, screen display is fine, especially if you do the shadow fix - Get issue 1 of Sam Revival for full details on that. Quazar surround sound, gotta love things like stratosphere (even if it is a touch hard :D ). Its like, I can play all the arcade games I want on MAME, so why have i built a full size cabinet in my garage so i can buy the Arcade PCB's? Am I just mad, probably. But still emulators just dont have the same appeal to me. On the point of a debugger, ive already got one for the actual sam, TurboMon, now who wrote that? :) (And yes its an original) A. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Winkless, Geoff Sent: 16 August 2002 09:37 To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no' Subject: RE: Linux Format What i bet it doesnt say is, if you really want to enjoy this machine - try and locate one on ebay :D Nothing beats the real thing. Actually I disagree. The emulator is now fast, accurate and featured enough that it's far easier to code than using the sam ever was. Using Comet in fast mode (at 300% or so) is absolutely marvellous. Once Si gets his real-time hardware debugger sorted things would become even easier. No searching for (or switching!) floppies, no problems with dodgy cables (I guess that was my fault rather than Sam's :) and in a window too, so I can have the z80 timing reference (it's been a while, ok? :) right next to the code screen. Geoff
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Adrian Brown wrote: I trust you have got the real thing as the rom is still copyrighted and hence the emulator is only legal to those with a sam). Not so - Andy Wright has given permission for the ROMs to be freely distributed with the emulator. I've also got a bunch of older ROMs (from Andy Wright via Simon Goodwin), and have permission to make those publically available. They're really just for historic interest/value, as the early ROMs are meant to be quite buggy. The very earliest also lack the BC bootup delay, which means they probably won't work on most SAMs (didn't on mine anyway, which is one pre-ordered before the release in 1989). On the point of a debugger, ive already got one for the actual sam, TurboMon, now who wrote that? :) That'll be me ;-D (And yes its an original) I made it freely available many years ago anyway, along with the source code and a Word document containing the docs. I did have it available on my old ISP homepage, but haven't got round to adding it to the new one yet... Si
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Nahhh, your missing the point. I know the emulator is basically perfect, but its just not like having the real thing sitting there (I trust you have got the real thing as the rom is still copyrighted and hence the emulator is only legal to those with a sam). IIRC Andy Wright has said the ROMs can be distributed. But yes, I was one of the first batch of Sam owners. Am I just mad, probably. Hehhh. Yep. On the point of a debugger, ive already got one for the actual sam, TurboMon, now who wrote that? :) (And yes its an original) *chuckles* there's nothing like a hardware debugger though. Some things just don't behave the same way when you have a debugger running. The overwhelming advantage of emualation for me is that I can have my spectrum, my Sam, my ST, my Amiga, my BBC and Archimedes, all of which I've owned at some point in time (although the Amiga and the ST were sold on) without needing the space or the acres worth of floppies/tapes. If I were single I'd probably have the house full of the originals. But I only have one room to set aside for tech stuff, which (when I have three PCs and a laptop (running as a 'net router) in about 8' by 5'), isn't really possible :) Geoff Need to buy a bigger house.
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Not so - Andy Wright has given permission for the ROMs to be freely distributed with the emulator. Yer, forgot about that - your reply bet mine :) I've also got a bunch of older ROMs (from Andy Wright via Simon Goodwin), and have permission to make those publically available. They're really just for historic interest/value, as the early ROMs are meant to be quite buggy. The very earliest also lack the BC bootup delay, which means they probably won't work on most SAMs (didn't on mine anyway, which is one pre-ordered before the release in 1989). Nice, these on a home page? That'll be me ;-D Yep, I know is freely downloadable, but its just not as fun as having the real thing now is it :) A.
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I made it freely available many years ago anyway, along with the source code and a Word document containing the docs. I did have it available on my old ISP homepage, but haven't got round to adding it to the new one yet... Si I'd been meaning to ask you about that Simon ... the docs that is, as I did remember you had them for download once - I could do with printing a new manual as the one I have here from when I bought it in 1994 from Steves Software is somewhat well thumbed and very tatty now! (Turbomon's been invaluable over the years!) Colin Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Out Now: Sam Revival magazine - Issue 1 Website: http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/
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I know the need for a bigger house, im not single so my wife nags me about the number of old computers. Ive got Amigas, Sts (with mono monitor - that was hard to find), just about all the spectrums ever made, c64, PCs, megadrives, N64's, Snes, 2600's etc.etc.etc. But my Sam is still my favourite :) A. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Winkless, Geoff Sent: 16 August 2002 10:42 To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no' Subject: RE: Linux Format Nahhh, your missing the point. I know the emulator is basically perfect, but its just not like having the real thing sitting there (I trust you have got the real thing as the rom is still copyrighted and hence the emulator is only legal to those with a sam). IIRC Andy Wright has said the ROMs can be distributed. But yes, I was one of the first batch of Sam owners. Am I just mad, probably. Hehhh. Yep. On the point of a debugger, ive already got one for the actual sam, TurboMon, now who wrote that? :) (And yes its an original) *chuckles* there's nothing like a hardware debugger though. Some things just don't behave the same way when you have a debugger running. The overwhelming advantage of emualation for me is that I can have my spectrum, my Sam, my ST, my Amiga, my BBC and Archimedes, all of which I've owned at some point in time (although the Amiga and the ST were sold on) without needing the space or the acres worth of floppies/tapes. If I were single I'd probably have the house full of the originals. But I only have one room to set aside for tech stuff, which (when I have three PCs and a laptop (running as a 'net router) in about 8' by 5'), isn't really possible :) Geoff Need to buy a bigger house.
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The overwhelming advantage of emualation for me is that I can have my spectrum, my Sam, my ST, my Amiga, my BBC and Archimedes, all of which I've owned at some point in time (although the Amiga and the ST were sold on) without needing the space or the acres worth of floppies/tapes. Wow - you've found a decent Archimedes emulator? Where?
OT: Arch emulators (was RE: Linux Format)
Matthew Craven wrote: Wow - you've found a decent Archimedes emulator? Where? Red Squirrel ( http://www.redsquirrel.fsnet.co.uk ) works ok for me. It's not perfect, but it runs most things OK. Things it doesn't manage generally run with Archie (http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Campus/5427/) but I have to get to DOS to run that. Geoff
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If we're heading off topic anyway, I don't suppose if someone with the magazine could check quickly whether my small emulator, ElectrEm (it does the Acorn Electron) is in there? They don't seem to stock it at local newsagents, so I'm curious. -Thomas __ Check out all the latest outrageous email attachments on the Outrageous Email Chart! - http://viral.lycos.co.uk
RE: OT: Arch emulators (was RE: Linux Format)
Thomas Harte wrote: I don't suppose if someone with the magazine could check quickly whether my small emulator, ElectrEm (it does the Acorn Electron) is in there? The emulator articles (by Simon N Goodwin) have been running for around year I think, with the latest (and last?) covering more Z80-based machines. I'd imagine ElectrEm will be in one of the previous issues, along with BBC emulators, though I don't know exactly which issue (Tim?). The SAM piece started with a brief history, and had some kind words at the end, but mainly covered basic usage of the emulator - nothing fancy, but it was nice to have a mention. It was Simon N Goodwin's reminder about the up-coming article that prompted me to finish off the new GUI too! They don't seem to stock it at local newsagents, so I'm curious. Yeah, most newsagents I tried didn't have it, but I did find it in W.H.Smiths. I've wangled a subscription now, which certainly makes things easier! Si
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On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:56:14 +0100, Adrian Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know the need for a bigger house, im not single so my wife nags me about the number of old computers. You could always get a smaller / more tolerant wife. :-)
Re: Copyright etc
Well said Howard. This two month deadline is a good idea. I'm sure it will just illustrate my original point (before I got shouted down) that nobody really cares about software copyrights for a dead machine. Unless they want to sell of course. From: Howard Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Copyright etc Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:12:26 +0100 At 17:03 15/08/02, you wrote: I've been a bit quiet lately but I thought I'd just chirp in - I support your plan Colin, copyrighted material retains copyright, but if no-one can be bothered to enforce it, even if you seek them out for two months, ignore it. Erm... the plan about the Copyright software was Gavin Smith's post ... not mine ! Colin Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Website: http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Gavin and the SC newsletter hasn't been eaten by giant anteaters??!!! Don't believe you! _ Join the worldÂ’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Re: OT: Arch emulators (was RE: Linux Format)
- Original Message - From: Simon Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thomas Harte wrote: I don't suppose if someone with the magazine could check quickly whether my small emulator, ElectrEm (it does the Acorn Electron) is in there? The emulator articles (by Simon N Goodwin) have been running for around year I think, with the latest (and last?) covering more Z80-based machines. I'd imagine ElectrEm will be in one of the previous issues, along with BBC emulators, though I don't know exactly which issue (Tim?). Acorns were covered in the March 2002 issue. ElectrEm got a mention, about a 1/6th ogf a page worht, although I can't spot it on the cover disk (unless it has a non-obvious name). The home page for it was included in the links sections at the end of the article though. Tim
RE: Linux Format
Colin Piggot wrote: I did remember you had them for download once - I could do with printing a new manual Here it is in RTF format: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/simon.owen/sam/TurboDOC.zip (62K) I could also do with converting the original .TD0 disk image of TurboMON (which also contains the source) to a more normal format for distribution. TurboMON has been freely distributable since about 1996, though the rights for the rest of the SC_Monitor Pro pack (which TurboMON was part of) remain with Steve's Software. Si
