Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech

[L Freeman]

Pelosi needs to work to have him censured. I emailed him tonight.. I wonder if 
I will get a response??\

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:

From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar 
During Speech
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 9:37 PM






 





  Don't forget that we can hit up the Republican House and 
Senate leaders as well, and let them know how this is being viewed...

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:38:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar 
During Speech







 





  


Daryle, you got through? I tried, every ten minutes, frrom the minute I read 
this this morn (about 7) until I ahd to walk out the door at 12, and ever since 
I came back in at 2:30. His House page is *claiming* "heavy traffic". I suspect 
that the boy is just hiding from the multiple cyber-canings he's due. I'm about 
to try the Representatives in his neighboring districts, telling them to hound 
him.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: dar...@darylelockha rt.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:21:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar 
During Speech















 





  
Done.

Rob Miller, the man running against  him for Congress in the 2nd  district in 
South Carolina in the 2010 race raised $100,000 in 8 hours after the address. 
Mid 20th Century  antics.  21st Century response.

On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:22 AM, daikaiju66 wrote:
    According to some sources he made some veiled statements about 
disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If 
this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end.
 
 --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
 >
 > 
 > (standing ovation)
 > 
 > And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill 
 > clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in 
 > any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still 
 > lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a 
 > line the minute I'm done here.
 > 
 > And I'll throw in "You might want to read the bill.)
 > 
 > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
 > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
 > 
 > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
 > From: KeithBJohnson@ ...
 > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 +
 > Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During 
 > Speech
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 >  
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 >   
 > Folks,
 > 
 > I don't usually get into the "write this person or call that one" thing, but 
 > you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months- -we've listened to 
 > the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a 
 > racist. He's been labeled Nazi, "Christian" ministers are praying for his 
 > death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to 
 > listen to him give a fairly safe, canned "Stay in school and study hard 
 > speech".  (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today 
 > burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). 
 > 
 > Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can 
 > remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys 
 > standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something 
 > that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given 
 > him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as 
 > many death threats as is "normal" for a President. And of course, the health 
 > care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, 
 > with charges of "death panels", socialism, government takeovers, etc., 
 > running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been 
 > maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the 
 > garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay 
 > above the stench of  it all.
 > 
 > But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina 
 > representative Joe Wilson clearly yells "you lie!" at the President's 
 > assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care 
 > plan. 
 > 
 > View the video and see the picture of him here:  http://www.huffingt 
 > onpost.com/ 2009/09/09/ gop-rep-wilson- yells-out_ n_281480. html
 >

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[Keith Johnson]

Ha! Guess you'll be watching the Trek reboot soon then! 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:33:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question) 






Into all of this, this. 

Knowing Keith, I'll bet even money that he'll see "Equilibrium" the day after I 
see that JJ A__s travesty from earlier this year. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:37:07 -0700 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question) 




What is not to love. Scifi/1984/Farenheit 451 world, guns, kung fu, Gun fu, 
Christian Bael, Omar Epps, swords. Nuff said. :) 



On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Augustus Augustus < jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com > 
wrote: 






Tracey, i love the "what he said" - that was kool! if Keith does not watch it, 
tell him 2 email me, i will help u work on him. it is a really good flick. 

Fate. 

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Tracey de Morsella < tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com > 
wrote: 



From: Tracey de Morsella < tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com > 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question) 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 12:17 PM 





What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for years. 

-Original Message- 

From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com ] On 
Behalf Of ravenadal 
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM 

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question) 

Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium! A friend of mine hipped me to it and, 
frankly, I was blown away. I have subsequently opened the eyes of several 
other peeps and the reaction has been universally good. At core, I love the 
movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how good 
writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget. The opening 
scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and sound 
effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal 
filmmaking. 

~rave! 




--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , "Mr. Worf"  wrote: 
> 
> I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of fighting 
is 
> a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in another 
> movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well because 
it 
> came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian Bale 
and 
> Ty Diggs in it. 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus 
> wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy? i did not think 
that 
> > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button. just 
> > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining. enough so 2 make 
me 
> > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version. 
> > 
> > Fate. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> of_darkness/ 
> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] New "Vampire Diaries" deliciously sinks teeth into genre

[Keith Johnson]

I watched but it wasn't really that engaging. As a 40+ black man, i couldn't 
really relate to a slate of mostly white young high school kids who, like 
Charlie Brown characters, don't seem to have any real or responsible parents at 
home to make them come in. I was a bit turned off by the complete lack of black 
men in the cast, the throwback casting of a lighter-skinned black (mixed?) girl 
as the "best friend", and the O.C.-type feel. There's some suspense coming now 
that we see an evil vampire added to the mix, but I don't see anything that 
makes me want to come back to it. 
It seems more like a vampire tale for the Twilight/O.C./Gossip Girl mostly 
non-black crowd. 

- Original Message - 
From: "ravenadal"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:04:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] New "Vampire Diaries" deliciously sinks teeth into genre 






Anybody watching tonight (EYE am watching feetball, myself)? 

~rave! 

http://usixoo.notlong.com 

latimes.com 

TELEVISION REVIEW 

'The Vampire Diaries' 

Amid the many Count Dracula-esque cliches, it's a good old-fashioned Gothic 
love story. 

By MARY McNAMARA 

Television Critic 

September 10, 2009 

For months now people have been anticipating "The Vampire Diaries" as a CW-ized 
version of "Twilight" with a bunch of sensitive young lovelies yearning and 
burning for danger, romance and the ultimate penetration. In between bouts of 
underage drinking, texting, girl-bonding, and the inevitable minor-key whine of 
a soundtrack, that is. "True Blood Lite" or "Transylvania 90210." 

And you know what? It is. Almost exactly. 

But this is not a bad thing, not a bad thing at all. Because "Vampire Diaries" 
knows precisely what it is -- a Gothic romance -- and doesn't try to be 
anything else. It's not going for a spangly-skinned update of "The Catcher in 
the Rye" or a pretentious political metaphor or even a 
through-the-mirror-darkly Christ myth. "The Vampire Diaries" is a good 
old-fashioned love story with vampires. 

Rolling dry-ice fog? Check. Croaking raven as harbinger of evil? Check. 
Vampires bright and dark? Check. Modern girl who looks exactly like sepia-tone 
daguerreotype of noble vampire's long dead love? Honking big ring with 
vampire-related powers? Angel-winged tombstones? Promising references to local 
Civil War atrocities? Checkity, check, check, check and check. And that's just 
the first episode. 

Seriously, all that's missing is Barnabas Collins with his thin-lipped smile 
and wolf-head cane. Ah, Barnabas, who will forget your tortured cries when 
Josette leaped to her death rather than succumb to your kiss of eternal life? 

Not executive producers Kevin Williamson ("Scream," "Dawson's Creek") and Julie 
Plec ("Kyle XY"), that's for sure. Tim Burton and Johnny Depp may be literally 
resurrecting the fabulous "Dark Shadows," but tonally, "The Vampire Diaries" 
got there first. 

Let the other franchises sniff with disdain at moldy old genre conventions, 
"The Vampire Diaries" stacks them up like corpses in a mausoleum and dances 
howling on the roof. Lonely road plus attractive couple plus swirling mist 
equals horrific death. Dueling diaries and anguished voice-overs compete with 
emo-soundtrack tunes while amid the forest primeval, girls vamp and the vamp 
broods (someday we will have a torn and troubled female vampire as a 
protagonist, but that day is not today). Eternal life results in bitter 
tenderness while true love keeps diaries and transcends centuries. 

To a small town Southern enough to have had its own Civil War battle, Stefan 
(Paul Wesley), a 200-year-old vampire, has returned. He "knows the risks" of 
such a move, but cannot live without "her." "Her" is Elena (Nina Dobrev of 
"Degrassi: The Next Generation"), recently orphaned (how Gothic can you get?) 
and with the requisite beauty. Burdened by grief and the drug-related antics of 
her brother Jeremy (Steven R. McQueen), Elena nonetheless manages to engage in 
some serious back-to-school eye-lockage with new kid Stefan, who's busy 
battling his Very Nature to not drain the blood from her body. Ah, high school. 

But what is Abel without Cain? What is Edgar without Heathcliff? Stefan may not 
be responsible for those recent "animal attacks" but someone is, and that 
someone is his wickedly blue-eyed brother, Damon (Ian Somerhalder, from 
"Lost"). Damon twinkles where Stefan smolders, kills where Stefan abstains and 
generally gets all the best lines. 

"I liked what you did with the face," he taunts after Stefan goes all red-eyed 
and vein-riddled before pushing him through a window. 

Although the show deviates more than a bit from the L.J. Smith books on which 
it is based, the essential love triangle between Elena, Stefan and his brother 
Damon should be assembled by the end of episode two, three at the latest. Add a 
best friend who may be turning psychic, an Adonis-like ex-boyfriend, his 
troubled si

Re: [scifinoir2] Supernatural has evolved beyond angels and demons

[Keith Johnson]

Good show. The main actors are ready to move on, I hear. They want to go out 
while the show's doing well and before they both get too bored with it. 

- Original Message - 
From: "ravenadal"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:44:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Supernatural has evolved beyond angels and demons 






http://aveingoh.notlong.com 

chicagotribune.com 

The Watcher: 'Supernatural' has evolved beyond angels and demons 

Maureen Ryan 

TV critic 

September 10, 2009 

The first half of "Supernatural's" debut season gave few indications of what 
the show would become. 

Back in 2005, as is the case now, there were monsters, ghouls and demons on the 
prowl. Two brothers, Sam and Dean Winchester (Jared Padalecki and Jensen 
Ackles), would go from city to city in their 1967 Impala and hunt these 
otherworldly critters down, frequently quipping along the way. 

But creator Eric Kripke is well aware that "Supernatural," which returns for 
its fifth season at 8 p.m. Thursday on WGN-Ch. 9, has evolved far beyond the 
idea he pitched several years ago. 

Season 5 depicts the brothers trying to stop the apocalypse, dealing with the 
arrival of Lucifer (Mark Pellegrino) and other significant events. Yet the 
focus of this solid, compelling and funny (yes, funny!) show remains admirably 
clear: "Supernatural" is less about monsters and more about familial bonds and 
how they somehow survive self-doubt and radical tests of loyalty. 

When the show began, Sam and Dean were merely "an engine to get us in and out 
of different horror movies every week," Kripke said in an interview at San 
Diego Comic-Con in July. 

Then Kripke had an epiphany: Padalecki and Ackles' subtle skills and palpable 
chemistry could anchor a much more emotionally compelling story about two young 
men who lost their parents and sometimes come close to losing faith in 
themselves and each other. 

"To me, the story is about, 'Can the strength of family overcome destiny and 
fate, and can family save the world?' " Kripke said. "[My worldview] is that 
the only thing that matters is family and personal connection; that's the only 
thing that gives life meaning." 

The show's fourth season upped the stakes in several ways: When he thought his 
brother was dead, Sam became addicted to demon blood and experimented with 
dangerous powers. Dean, who'd been sent to hell to fulfill a contract, was 
pulled out by an angel, but only after going through terrifying experiences, 
some of which left him guilt-ridden. 

Kripke said the show had always planned to bring in ever more powerful demons, 
including Lucifer, but he hadn't thought about adding angels until Season 3 was 
over. 

"We [always] wanted this 'Lord of the Rings' scope, but we could never have it 
because we couldn't afford these massive battles," Kripke said. "But ... now 
you can have these two massive armies of demons and angels -- they can mesh and 
clash in a way that's really satisfying, and [you can have the giant clashes] 
just off-camera. 

"We slap our forehead against our hands, and say, 'Why didn't we think of it 
sooner?' " he said. "Look at 'Star Wars' for a moment. You have this massive 
empire, and you have this massive rebellion. But the story is about one farm 
boy, a princess and a pirate." 

To read the transcript of the full interview with Kripke, go to bit.ly/xrP8d. 

Copyright © 2009, Chicago Tribune 

RE: Hey Keith - Augustus Has Something to Tell you!!!RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[Tracey de Morsella]

Noo!  J

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:24 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Hey Keith - Augustus Has Something to Tell you!!!RE: [scifinoir2] 
Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

 






Okay, okay! I'll put the "Avatar" tape on hold and look for it this weekend! 
(Mind if I try to catch up on "Fringe" on Hulu, though?)


- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:14:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Hey  Keith - Augustus Has Something to Tell you!!!RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 
Equilibrium (was: Question)

  

grin

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Augustus Augustus
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:52 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

 






   
Tracey, i love the "what he said" - that was kool!if Keith does not watch 
it, tell him 2 email me, i will help u work on him.  it is a really good flick. 
 

Fate.

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Tracey de Morsella  
wrote:


From: Tracey de Morsella 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 12:17 PM

  

What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for years.

-Original Message-
From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On
Behalf Of ravenadal
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium! A friend of mine hipped me to it and,
frankly, I was blown away. I have subsequently opened the eyes of several
other peeps and the reaction has been universally good. At core, I love the
movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how good
writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget. The opening
scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and sound
effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal
filmmaking.

~rave!

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of fighting
is
> a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in another
> movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well because
it
> came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian Bale
and
> Ty Diggs in it.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy? i did not think
that
> > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button. just
> > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining. enough so 2 make
me
> > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version.
> >
> > Fate.
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ 
>   of_darkness/
>

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech

[Keith Johnson]

yeah, they straight out lie, hence Palin yesterday giving another speech about 
death panels. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:50:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar 
During Speech 






Wouldn't surprise me at all. Today, John Boehner (whom I *so* want to call 
"Bonehead") stepped up to a mike and said that, even though Wilson's conduct 
was unbecoming, his statement was factually true, flying in the face of the 
fact that it was a lie. I've noticed that the GOP is pretty good about lining 
up on its talking/slandering points. Maybe they've made a collective decision 
to tank their party, through Continuous Mass Stupidity. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:22:03 + 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During 
Speech 




According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or 
making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case 
he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> 
> 
> (standing ovation) 
> 
> And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill 
> clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in 
> any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still 
> lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line 
> the minute I'm done here. 
> 
> And I'll throw in "You might want to read the bill.) 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: keithbjohn...@... 
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During 
> Speech 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Folks, 
> 
> I don't usually get into the "write this person or call that one" thing, but 
> you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the 
> Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a 
> racist. He's been labeled Nazi, "Christian" ministers are praying for his 
> death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to 
> listen to him give a fairly safe, canned "Stay in school and study hard 
> speech". (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning 
> down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). 
> 
> Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can 
> remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys 
> standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something 
> that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given 
> him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as 
> many death threats as is "normal" for a President. And of course, the health 
> care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, 
> with charges of "death panels", socialism, government takeovers, etc., 
> running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been 
> maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the 
> garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay 
> above the stench of it all. 
> 
> But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina 
> representative Joe Wilson clearly yells "you lie!" at the President's 
> assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care 
> plan. 
> 
> View the video and see the picture of him here: 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html
>  
> 
> My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being 
> discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right 
> become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on 
> television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world shows disrespect 
> for our duly elected leader, a man trying to do something to help the 
> dispossessed? Is the office so contemptible now that you don't even respect 
> it, if not the man? I've seen some things during Obama's rise, but this is 
> going too far. In one statement, Wilson has crystalized and symbolized all 
> the ignorance, hatred, disrespect, danger, foolishness, and intolerance that 
> has characterized this debate. This, then, is the fruition and completion of 
> Palin, still talking deat

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech

[Keith Johnson]

Don't forget that we can hit up the Republican House and Senate leaders as 
well, and let them know how this is being viewed... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:38:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar 
During Speech 






Daryle, you got through? I tried, every ten minutes, frrom the minute I read 
this this morn (about 7) until I ahd to walk out the door at 12, and ever since 
I came back in at 2:30. His House page is *claiming* "heavy traffic". I suspect 
that the boy is just hiding from the multiple cyber-canings he's due. I'm about 
to try the Representatives in his neighboring districts, telling them to hound 
him. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: dar...@darylelockhart.com 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:21:32 -0400 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar 
During Speech 




Done. 



Rob Miller, the man running against him for Congress in the 2nd district in 
South Carolina in the 2010 race raised $100,000 in 8 hours after the address. 


Mid 20th Century antics. 21st Century response. 






On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:22 AM, daikaiju66 wrote: 



According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or 
making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case 
he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> 
> 
> (standing ovation) 
> 
> And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill 
> clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in 
> any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still 
> lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line 
> the minute I'm done here. 
> 
> And I'll throw in "You might want to read the bill.) 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: keithbjohn...@... 
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During 
> Speech 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Folks, 
> 
> I don't usually get into the "write this person or call that one" thing, but 
> you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the 
> Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a 
> racist. He's been labeled Nazi, "Christian" ministers are praying for his 
> death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to 
> listen to him give a fairly safe, canned "Stay in school and study hard 
> speech". (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning 
> down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). 
> 
> Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can 
> remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys 
> standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something 
> that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given 
> him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as 
> many death threats as is "normal" for a President. And of course, the health 
> care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, 
> with charges of "death panels", socialism, government takeovers, etc., 
> running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been 
> maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the 
> garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay 
> above the stench of it all. 
> 
> But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina 
> representative Joe Wilson clearly yells "you lie!" at the President's 
> assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care 
> plan. 
> 
> View the video and see the picture of him here: 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html
>  
> 
> My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being 
> discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right 
> become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on 
> television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world shows disrespect 
> for our duly elected leader, a man trying to do something to help the 
> dispossessed? Is the office so contemptible now that you don't even respect 
> it, if not the man? I've seen some things during Obama's rise, 

[scifinoir2] LeVar Burton on the End of "Reading Rainbow"

[Keith Johnson]

A sad and mostly unnoticed end to a very important program. Several people 
called into the broadcast to thank Burton for his two-plus decades of teaching 
their children to read and love reading. They were very upset. 
Hey...maybe Obama should make a statement supporting the program? Yeah right: 
that'll make sure it stays dead and buried for all time. Can't risk having 
Burton teach the kids anything dangerous like how to read something outside of 
headlines and webpage tickers 

You can listen to the broadcast at the link below, or read the transcript. 

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112679753 

[scifinoir2] Worst Movie Accents

[Keith Johnson]

Interesting. I can think of a bazillion more Russian and Eastern European 
accents badly done in innumerable movies. And let's not even talk about all the 
horrid African and Caribbean accents done in movies. I love "The Mighty Quinn", 
for example, but Washington and Townsend's accents were pretty lame... 

 

http://insidemovies.moviefone.com/2009/08/26/worst-movie-accents/ 

In 'Inglourious Basterds,' Brad Pitt plays up his Nazi hunter's Southern accent 
for laughs. He's gotten unintentional laughs for an accent before, though, when 
he played an Austrian explorer in 'Seven Years in Tibet.' (Kudos on the vocal 
work since then, Brad.) 

Thinking back on Pitt's varied brogues over the years, we were inspired to 
compile our 15 favorite bad movie accents -- linguistic atrocities committed by 
some of the most esteemed actors of our time. (Oh, Sir Sean!) Along the way, we 
learned some interesting lessons: 1) consistency is key; 2) everyone thinks 
they can do a British accent, but they pretty much think wrong; and 3) if 
you're an actor who wants to keep your self-respect intact, don't ever, ever 
play Irish. 

Looking for more? Check out our readers' picks for worst movie accents ever. 

Sean Connery , 'The Untouchables' (Irish) 
Yes, the Scottish Sir Sean won an Oscar with his portrayal of an Irish-American 
cop -- but for his acting, not his accent, which proved once and for all that 
Scottish and Irish accents aren't quite the same thing. 

Kevin Costner , 'Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves' (British) 
Bad movie accents come and go, but Costner's "now you hear it, now you don't" 
attempts at a British accent will stand the test of time. Who needs two Oscars 
when you've earned a distinction like that? 

Tom Cruise , 'Far and Away' (Irish) 
We'd say that Cruise's accent reminds us of the Lucky Charms leprechaun ... but 
to be honest, that seems disrespectful to the leprechaun. (Nicole Kidman did 
an, um, interesting job as well -- where the heck was this movie's voice 
coach?) 

Harrison Ford , 'K19: The Widowmaker' (Russian) 
Maybe we've been watching too much 'Rocky and Bullwinkle,' but Ford's accent as 
Capt. Alexei Vostrikov is so over-the-top, you'd almost think he was playing 
the villain. Not so. Apparently even heroes can sound like cartoons. 

Tom Hanks , 'The Terminal' (Krakozhian) 
Krakozhia is a fictional country. But if Krakozhians actually existed, they'd 
be outraged -- outraged! -- by the way Hanks has mangled their made-up mother 
tongue. 

Charlton Heston , 'Touch of Evil' (Mexican) 
Heston subscribes to the Kevin Costner school of intermittent accents. In fact, 
if it weren't for the fabulous tan and his pencil mustache, you might not know 
he's supposed to be Mexican at all. 

Angelina Jolie , 'Alexander' (indeterminate) 
It didn't seem possible, but watching Jolie's performance as the mother of 
Alexander the Great, our first thought -- for once! -- isn't how gorgeous she 
is. It's "What the heck accent IS that?" (For the record, she's supposed to be 
Greek.) 

• Click here to watch the clip 

Nicole Kidman and Renée Zellweger (tie), 'Cold Mountain' (Southern) 
Yet another Oscar winner makes our list (see Connery, Sean); but Zellweger has 
company in the weird Southern accents department. She goes harsh and twangy 
while Kidman goes soft and vague ... So different, yet both so very wrong. 

• Click here to watch the clip 

Demi Moore , 'Flawless' (British) 
It's an obvious joke, but we'll make it anyway: What certainly isn't 'Flawless' 
about this movie? Moore's British accent. (Rimshot!) 

Brad Pitt , 'The Devil's Own' (Irish) 
We'll give Pitt this: He tries hard. And he even sounds sort of authentic ... 
when all he's saying is "aye." To put it kindly, maybe he should have left the 
accents to his ex-girlfriend Gwyneth. 

Brad Pitt , 'Seven Years in Tibet' (Austrian) 
Umm ... Austrians are supposed to sound like Germans, right? Forgive us if 
we're confused, but Pitt's accent here is so appallingly bad, he sounds more 
like his Irish character in 'The Devil's Own' than any Austrian we've ever 
heard. 

Keanu Reeves , 'Bram Stoker's Dracula' (British) 
Not only did Reeves bring this film to a near-standstill with his travesty 
against the British people, he did it again a year later, in 'Much Ado About 
Nothing.' If we were the British government, we'd consider barring him from 
entering the country ever again. 

Julia Roberts , 'Mary Reilly' (Irish) 
OK, we get it. Irish accents are hard. But talking in your normal voice and 
then saying, "Sahrr... you said you had an AILness," does not an Irishwoman 
make. 

John Malkovich , 'Rounders' (Russian) 
Is Malkovich awesome as Teddy KGB? Yes. And even if that's because of his 
outrageously hammy accent, we can't lay down the fact that it sounds as if he's 
auditioning to play Chekov on 'Star Trek.' "Meester son of a beetch! Let's play 
some carrrds!" 

Dick Van Dyke , 'Mary Poppin

[scifinoir2] Pigeon beats broadband in data transfer race

[Keith Johnson]

This is funny! 



http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/351478/pigeon-beats-broadband-in-data-transfer-race 
Pigeon beats broadband in data transfer race 


Cable


Gallery 

Posted on 10 Sep 2009 at 10:59 

A company has become so disgruntled with its slow broadband connection, that's 
it begun transferring large files via homing pigeon. 

In a very tortoise and hare story, a financial services company based in 
Durban, South Africa pitted a homing pigeon carrying 4GB of data on a USB stick 
against its broadband connection to find out which would be faster transferring 
the data between its two offices 80km apart. 





The homing pigeon, named Winston, arrived with the USB stick in two hours and 
seven minutes, just as the download hit 4% complete. The company believes 
Winston can be trained to deliver the data in 45 minutes, a significant boost 
over its ropey broadband connection. 




"For years we've struggled with the internet as a method of communication. It's 
fine for e-mails and correspondence, but we need to transfer a lot of data from 
one office to another and find it often lets us down," the company's chief 
executive Kevin Rolfe tells the Metro . "If we get bad weather and the service 
goes down it can up to two days to get through." 






Winston is vulnerable to the weather and predators such as hawks. Obviously he 
will have to take his chances 

However, he admits the plan is not without its difficulties: "There are other 
problems, of course. Winston is vulnerable to the weather and predators such as 
hawks. Obviously he will have to take his chances but we're confident this 
system can work for us,' says Rolfe. 

Pigeons to bridge Britain's broadband divide anybody? 

Re: Hey Keith - Augustus Has Something to Tell you!!!RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[Keith Johnson]

Okay, okay! I'll put the "Avatar" tape on hold and look for it this weekend! 
(Mind if I try to catch up on "Fringe" on Hulu, though?) 


- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:14:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Hey Keith - Augustus Has Something to Tell you!!!RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 
Equilibrium (was: Question) 









grin 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Augustus Augustus 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:52 AM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question) 









Tracey, i love the "what he said" - that was kool! if Keith does not watch it, 
tell him 2 email me, i will help u work on him. it is a really good flick. 

Fate. 

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Tracey de Morsella  
wrote: 


From: Tracey de Morsella  
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question) 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 12:17 PM 





What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for years. 

-Original Message- 
From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com ] On 
Behalf Of ravenadal 
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question) 

Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium! A friend of mine hipped me to it and, 
frankly, I was blown away. I have subsequently opened the eyes of several 
other peeps and the reaction has been universally good. At core, I love the 
movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how good 
writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget. The opening 
scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and sound 
effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal 
filmmaking. 

~rave! 

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , "Mr. Worf"  wrote: 
> 
> I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of fighting 
is 
> a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in another 
> movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well because 
it 
> came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian Bale 
and 
> Ty Diggs in it. 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus 
> wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy? i did not think 
that 
> > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button. just 
> > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining. enough so 2 make 
me 
> > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version. 
> > 
> > Fate. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
> Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ 
> of_darkness/ 
> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[Keith Johnson]

I keep missing it when it's shown on cable. Maybe I'll look for it on the Net 
this weekend. Got a bad cold/sinus thing going on, so don't think i'll be 
leaving the house much... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:17:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question) 






What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for years. 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of ravenadal 
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question) 

Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium! A friend of mine hipped me to it and, 
frankly, I was blown away. I have subsequently opened the eyes of several 
other peeps and the reaction has been universally good. At core, I love the 
movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how good 
writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget. The opening 
scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and sound 
effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal 
filmmaking. 

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Mr. Worf"  wrote: 
> 
> I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of fighting 
is 
> a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in another 
> movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well because 
it 
> came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian Bale 
and 
> Ty Diggs in it. 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus 
> wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy? i did not think 
that 
> > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button. just 
> > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining. enough so 2 make 
me 
> > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version. 
> > 
> > Fate. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ 
> 

 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech

[Keith Johnson]

I hear Millers' at over 200 - 300K by now! 

- Original Message - 
From: "Daryle Lockhart"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:21:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar 
During Speech 






Done. 


Rob Miller, the man running against him for Congress in the 2nd district in 
South Carolina in the 2010 race raised $100,000 in 8 hours after the address. 


Mid 20th Century antics. 21st Century response. 






On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:22 AM, daikaiju66 wrote: 





According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or 
making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case 
he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> 
> 
> (standing ovation) 
> 
> And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill 
> clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in 
> any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still 
> lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line 
> the minute I'm done here. 
> 
> And I'll throw in "You might want to read the bill.) 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: keithbjohn...@... 
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During 
> Speech 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Folks, 
> 
> I don't usually get into the "write this person or call that one" thing, but 
> you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the 
> Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a 
> racist. He's been labeled Nazi, "Christian" ministers are praying for his 
> death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to 
> listen to him give a fairly safe, canned "Stay in school and study hard 
> speech". (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning 
> down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). 
> 
> Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can 
> remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys 
> standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something 
> that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given 
> him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as 
> many death threats as is "normal" for a President. And of course, the health 
> care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, 
> with charges of "death panels", socialism, government takeovers, etc., 
> running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been 
> maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the 
> garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay 
> above the stench of it all. 
> 
> But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina 
> representative Joe Wilson clearly yells "you lie!" at the President's 
> assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care 
> plan. 
> 
> View the video and see the picture of him here: 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html
>  
> 
> My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being 
> discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right 
> become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on 
> television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world shows disrespect 
> for our duly elected leader, a man trying to do something to help the 
> dispossessed? Is the office so contemptible now that you don't even respect 
> it, if not the man? I've seen some things during Obama's rise, but this is 
> going too far. In one statement, Wilson has crystalized and symbolized all 
> the ignorance, hatred, disrespect, danger, foolishness, and intolerance that 
> has characterized this debate. This, then, is the fruition and completion of 
> Palin, still talking death panels today. This is the result of Glen Beck's 
> charges of racism and witch hunts against good men. 
> 
> This then, is the depth to which some in America have fallen, and it has got 
> to stop. This is no longer irritating, it's dangerous. In an environment 
> where people wear sidearms around the President and feel empowered to call 
> him a liar to his face, something is very, very wrong--and we have to take a 
> step to stop it. 
> 
> I'm taking a small step tonight. I am trying to e-mail and call Joe Wilson to 
> express my disgust and displeasure at wha

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech

[Keith Johnson]

I am reminded of the history of King Henry II and his battles with the 
Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Becket. Frustrated with Becket's resistance to 
his attempt to gain more control over the Church, Henry was said to have 
exclaimed one day "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?!" (The real 
history suggests he said something much less dramatically pithy, something 
along the lines of "What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and 
brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful 
contempt by a low-born cleric?") 

Whatever his exact words, Henry's statement was interpreted by several of his 
knights as a desire to have Becket eliminated, and later, four of them murdered 
the archbishop most violently, literally cutting off the top of his head with 
their swords, and scattering his brains along the pavement. 

As I listen to senators and congressmen, former governors and "journalists", 
parents, teachers, and preachers bewail and bemoan the danger of Obama, I think 
of that event. We already have people wearing sidearms around Obama, and 
parents so stupid they believe he's subliminally programming their kids. How 
much more will it take for some overzealous fool to see and hear in the words 
and actions of Boehner and others a command to rid them of this President? And 
who will claim responsibility for creating the climate that led to such a 
tragic attempt? 


- Original Message - 
From: "daikaiju66"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:22:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During 
Speech 






According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or 
making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case 
he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> 
> 
> (standing ovation) 
> 
> And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill 
> clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in 
> any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still 
> lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line 
> the minute I'm done here. 
> 
> And I'll throw in "You might want to read the bill.) 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: keithbjohn...@... 
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During 
> Speech 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Folks, 
> 
> I don't usually get into the "write this person or call that one" thing, but 
> you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the 
> Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a 
> racist. He's been labeled Nazi, "Christian" ministers are praying for his 
> death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to 
> listen to him give a fairly safe, canned "Stay in school and study hard 
> speech". (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning 
> down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). 
> 
> Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can 
> remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys 
> standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something 
> that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given 
> him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as 
> many death threats as is "normal" for a President. And of course, the health 
> care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, 
> with charges of "death panels", socialism, government takeovers, etc., 
> running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been 
> maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the 
> garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay 
> above the stench of it all. 
> 
> But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina 
> representative Joe Wilson clearly yells "you lie!" at the President's 
> assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care 
> plan. 
> 
> View the video and see the picture of him here: 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html
>  
> 
> My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being 
> discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right 
> become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on 
> television?? It's okay that an image be

Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it

[Mr. Worf]

That's right. They never really talked about his ability. They only
mentioned it in passing. Maybe there will be an episode centered on it
later.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Don't know how I missed that ability before now...
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:17:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it
>
>
>
> Keith, that's supposed to be Pete's raison d'etre. He's got "the vibe". He
> knew that his firefighter dad was going to die, and felt guilty because he
> didn't speak up about it. Ever since, he's gone with it. Don't know why it
> failed him in that instance with the mirror-Alice incident.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:35:01 +
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it
>
>
>
> Yeah, the Sister is used too sparingly. I don't really get her purpose or
> function. Is she psychic? She's always talking about people's auras.
>
> As for Pete, yeah, the thing about him acting dumb is a tad overplayed. By
> the way, does he have some sort of clairvoyance or sensitivity? In last
> week's show where that psycho Alice from the mirror replaced Micah, Artie
> kept asking Pete if he sensed anything amiss. The conversation seemed to
> indicate Pete has an ability to sense danger or "wrongness" that borders on
> the psychic.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:13:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it
>
>I like the show, but some of the things that keep happening over and
> over again bugs me. Like Pete being generally stupid when it comes to how he
> deals with the artifacts he comes in contact with. I do love the artifacts
> though.  Great creativity there. There are hundreds of Stephen King books
> that are waiting to be written around some of these artifacts! :)
>
> The Regents are interesting. There are a few plot elements that they still
> haven't explained yet, and the regents are one. The sista at the boarding
> house is another.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> And this week's was fun too. I was afraid at first there was a clip show
> coming, when Artie was interrogated about his performance, but fortunately I
> was wrong. Liking the cast, and still liking the balance struck between
> humour and drama. Tonight's show, for example, had me seriously rolling when
> the killer dodgeballs attacked Micah and Pete. Funniest thing since the
> Studio 54 disco ball! But later, the really dangerous artifact room, filled
> with some of that artifact-neutralizing goo, and shot through with that
> ghoulish purple color, was actually a bit scary. Then the show reminded more
> of the "Friday the 13th"series, which was often very creepy. (especially
> since it aired at 11 pm here in the Atl, and I used to lay in bed in the
> dark watching it). One realizes that Warehouse 13 could actually go in three
> directions: more straight drama/detective work (a la some eps of The
> X-Files), more humourous (a la "Eureka"), or more supernatural and creepy
> like "Friday the 13th". The writers are doing a good job with the balance,
> and I'm liking the humorous bits: the Star Trek references. Tonight, Pete
> goes "Hey! Hey! Hey!", just like Dwayne from "What's Happening", and I'm
> back rolling again!
>
> That gives them lots of plot possibilities, lots of artifacts to create,
> from the mundane to the extraordinary.
> It's been picked up for a second season.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Keith Johnson" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:27:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it
>
> Okay, really liked this week's show. A good mix of danger (the evil Mirror
> Myka), humour (the Studio 54 disco ball as a dangerous magic artifact
> playing "I Will Survive" had me in stitches!), and cool artifacts (Lewis
> Carroll's mirror).
>
> No longer tepid, the show gets better with every ep. The characters are
> more assured than I expected. the plots are actually interesting and
> entertaining, and they're striking a good balance of danger and fun, drama
> and humour, science and fancy.  I like that some of what they use or
> retrieve borders on magical, while some of the stuff is super science.The
> cast is all interesting, from Pete's standard devil-may-care angle, to
> Myka's cautious suspicious agent, to Artie's quirky, often grumpy role as
> the leader. I even like the young girl 

Re: [scifinoir2] Roger Ebert's Pick of Bad Movies

[Keith Johnson]

What was so good about "Fanboys"? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Adrianne Brennan"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:17:04 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Roger Ebert's Pick of Bad Movies 






Fanboys ROCKED--my dad and I loved it! But like the movie Free Enterprise was 
geared towards a pretty selective audience. 

~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ 
http://www.adriannebrennan.com 
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: 
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html 
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: 
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html 
Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: 
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath 



On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Wow, Ebert already put Sandra Bullock's movie on his worst of the worst list? 
Funny: he put both Transformers and G.I. Joe on his list. I must say, I haven't 
seen many of these flicks, and hadn't planned to see most of them. Although, 
many would argue that Transformers, Death Race, G.I. Joe, Night at the Museum, 
etc., are all mindless fun, if not high art 

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/your-movie-sucks.html 

Gathered here in one convenient place are my recent reviews that awarded films 
Zero Stars, One-half Star, One Star, and One-and-a-half Stars. These are, 
generally speaking to be avoided. Sometimes I hear from readers who confess 
they are in the mood to watch a really bad movie. If you're sincere, be sure to 
know what you're getting: A really bad movie. 

Sandra Bullock in "All About Steve" 

Movies that are "so bad they're good" should generally get Two Stars. And 
Pauline Kael once wrote, "The movies are so rarely great art that if we cannot 
appreciate great trash, we shouldn't go at all." Great trash should ideally get 
2.5 stars or even higher. 

Many of these reviews were written in the carefree spirit of those in my books 
Your Movie Sucks and I Hated, Hated, Hated This Movie. Cheap shots and snark 
are permitted. The phrase came about in an interesting way. When Patrick 
Goldstein of the Los Angeles Times was critical of Rob Schnieder's "Deuce 
Bigelow, European Gigolo," Schneider took out a full-page ads in the paper 
informing Goldstein was not qualified to review it--what prizes had he won? In 
my review, I wrote: "As chance would have it, I have won the Pulitzer Prize, 
and so I am qualified. Speaking in my official capacity as a Pulitzer Prize 
winner, Mr. Schneider, your movie sucks." Set and match. 

All About Steve . (PG-13, 87 minutes ) Sandra Bullock plays Mary Horowitz, a 
crossword puzzle constructor who on a blind date falls insanely in love with 
Steve, a TV news cameraman (Bradley Cooper, from "The Hangover"). The operative 
word is "insanely." The movie is billed as a comedy but more resembles a 
perplexing public display of irrational behavior. Seeing her run around as a 
basket case makes you appreciate Lucille Ball, who could play a dizzy dame and 
make you like her. One and a half stars. View the trailer . 

pease.jpg"The Mark Pease Experience" . (Pg-13, 84 minutes). A cheerless, almost 
sullen experience, badly written and inertly directed, with actors who don't 
have a clue what drives their characters. The actors scarcely seem to be in the 
same scenes together. Involves a high school drama coach (Ben Stiller), his 
troubled former student (Jason Schwartzman), and the girl they both pursue 
(Anna Kendrick). Contains no chemistry at all. None. One star. No trailer found 
online. 

"X Games 3-D" . (PG, 92). A documentary about the extreme sports of 
skateboarding, motorcycle jumping and motocross, which a sports film strangely 
doesn't share the point scores with us and often doesn't show the same stunt in 
one unbroken shot. Yes, these athletes are awesomely skilled. Also masochists 
who play with broken bones because they want go "take the sport to a new 
level." Lots of falls that look like they really hurt. One and a half stars. 
View the trailer . 

bilde.jpg"G. I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra" . (PG-13) An 118-minute largely 
animated film with sequences involving the faces and other body parts of human 
beings. It is sure to be enjoyed by those whose movie appreciation is defined 
by the ability to discern that moving pictures and sound are being employed to 
depict violence. Nevertheless, it is better than "Transformers: Revenge of the 
Fallen." One and a half stars. View the trailer . 


trans.jpgTransformers: Revenge of the Fallen . (PG-13, 149 minutes). A horrible 
experience of unbearable length, briefly punctuated by three or four amusing 
moments. One of these involves a dog-like robot humping the leg of the heroine. 
Such are the meagre joys. If you want to save yourself the ticket price, go 
into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid 
to start banging pots and pans together. Then close your 

Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech

[Keith Johnson]

Amen, brother! I am okay with differences of opinion. i am not okay with those 
who outright dissemble, distort, and deceive to win the day... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:29:13 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During 
Speech 






(standing ovation) 

And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill 
clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in 
any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still 
lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line 
the minute I'm done here. 

And I'll throw in "You might want to read the bill.) 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + 
Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech 






Folks, 

I don't usually get into the "write this person or call that one" thing, but 
you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the 
Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a 
racist. He's been labeled Nazi, "Christian" ministers are praying for his 
death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to 
listen to him give a fairly safe, canned "Stay in school and study hard 
speech". (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning 
down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). 

Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember 
in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing 
outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills 
me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more 
protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death 
threats as is "normal" for a President. And of course, the health care debate 
has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges 
of "death panels", socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's 
been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to 
stay the course, to wade and cut through the garbage of the Right as I try to 
search for the truth. I've tried to stay above the stench of it all. 

But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina 
representative Joe Wilson clearly yells "you lie!" at the President's assertion 
that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care plan. 

View the video and see the picture of him here: 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html 

My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being 
discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right 
become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on 
television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world shows disrespect 
for our duly elected leader, a man trying to do something to help the 
dispossessed? Is the office so contemptible now that you don't even respect it, 
if not the man? I've seen some things during Obama's rise, but this is going 
too far. In one statement, Wilson has crystalized and symbolized all the 
ignorance, hatred, disrespect, danger, foolishness, and intolerance that has 
characterized this debate. This, then, is the fruition and completion of Palin, 
still talking death panels today. This is the result of Glen Beck's charges of 
racism and witch hunts against good men. 

This then, is the depth to which some in America have fallen, and it has got to 
stop. This is no longer irritating, it's dangerous. In an environment where 
people wear sidearms around the President and feel empowered to call him a liar 
to his face, something is very, very wrong--and we have to take a step to stop 
it. 

I'm taking a small step tonight. I am trying to e-mail and call Joe Wilson to 
express my disgust and displeasure at what he's done. I say "trying" because 
all communication methods are currently busy. Phone lies busy, website, slow. 
But I provide the below links and ask you to do the same. And then, maybe we 
need to get John Boehner's contact info as well and let him know how disgusting 
this is. 

It's time to draw a line in the sand of this foolishness and hate. Let's start 
the line in S.C. Contact info for Wilson is below: 

Send an e-mail to him here: http://www.house.gov/formwilson/IMA/issue.htm 

Contact info (all numbers have been busy since I've tried them tonight) 

The Midlands' Office • 1700 Sunset Blcd (US 378), Suite 1 • West Columbia, SC 
29169 • Phone: (803) 939-0041 • Fax: (803)

Re: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason...

[Keith Johnson]

A lot of this stuff can be genetic. A friend of mine is a triathlete, and his 
heart beats a little faster than one would deem normal for his lifestyle. And I 
know that mine beats a little slower than normal. The pacemaker in my heart 
sends signals a tad slowly... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:24:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason... 






Jeez! My resting is about 75. Might be my HBP talking. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:32:22 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason... 






Ha! Two years ago, when I was at my physical best (lifting weights, yoga, 
Pilates, running/aerobics), my resting heart rate was 46 (measured as I came 
out of a slumber), the rate just sitting in a chair reading or watching TV was 
54, and the rate while doing minor activity like driving was 66. Trying to get 
back to that now, but man is stress a bane to that! 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:06:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason... 




"... (resting heart rate is 60)..." 

Keith, you have no notion of the jealousy coursing through me right now. Last 
time my resting rate was that low, I was receiving Last Rites. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:23:57 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason... 






I eat a lot of spinach. Stay away from meal bars mostly now, due to the bread 
and sometimes sugars (got a glucose problem now, Lord help me). I eat a lot of 
hemp bread. The brand I buy--French Meadow--gives you 15% of daily iron, 26g of 
protein, 19% of daily fibre, 25% of magnesium, 15% of copper--all in two 
slices. 

I've been diagnosed as borderline diabetic (or, I'm already into Type II, 
depending on who you listen to). Given that I'm not overweight, workout six 
days a week (resting heart rate is 60 when I'm out of shape, typically around 
50 when I'm on my exercise program), and only indulged in ice cream a few times 
a week it's my family genes coming to play. (I've had no significant white 
bread, flour, sugar, rice, or potatoes for years).The unfortunate thing is that 
diabetes often goes hand-in-hand with high blood pressure and high cholesterol. 
The former's okay for me, the latter was high normal for me--again, despite 
diet. (And both factors exist in my family at any rate). 

So I've been exploring all kinds of grains/seeds/beans like quinoa, buckwheat, 
lentils, etc., to help meet the goals of giving me good sugars, protein, fat, 
without the bad sugar and fat. Fortunately I've never eaten as much meat as 
most guys my size, so that's not been a big deal. The real fun is sussing out 
fact from fiction. For example, I used to eat tons of soy, now I've been told 
that in the form usually obtained in the West, it's not good for me. Then I 
have people swearing that even the "good" form has plant estrogens which 
adversely affect male hormones (my doctor, an Indian vegetarian), told me that. 
Now I'm really into the whole Glycemic Index, and that's really fun, let me 
tell you. Fortunately my overall eating habits are very good, so it's more 
tweaking the diet. 



- Original Message - 
From: "Adrianne Brennan"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:23:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason... 




Quinoa, lentils, spinach, meal bars, and all sorts of yum-yums for my iron 
intake. Since I've been exercising like a fiend and it's "that time", I take an 
additional supplement to be on the safe side. 



<-- vegan :) 


~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ 
http://www.adriannebrennan.com 
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: 
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html 
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: 
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html 
Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: 
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath 



On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






My iron stays on the low end too. Genetics, i guess. I try to eat lots of 
spinach, greens, kale, black beans, and the like for iron. Every two weeks to a 
month, I treat myself to a burger too. 



- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter" < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > 
To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?

[Keith Johnson]

Yeah, I knew about LaPaglia's medical background. Think I looked it up back 
when he joined the cast of "New York Undercover". Like Hill Harper (Law degree, 
actor, novelist, activist), such people can make one feel a wee bit like a 
slacker. 
Speaking of actor's with interesting backgrounds, did you know that Dolph 
Lundgren--he of the really bad action movies--is not only a champion martial 
artist (second degree black belt), but has a master's degree in chemistry? And, 
was awarded a Fullbright Scholarship to MIT before he was bitten by the acting 
bug? 
Oh yeah--he plays the drums too. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:23:11 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers? 






Forgot that that was a "staple" as well. Think that they ran a block of it last 
month. I always thought of it as "right-wing SF", because the themes of God and 
Country always rang through. And a nit of trivia -- Jonathon LaPaglia, the 
lead, was an ER surgeon in London's East End just before he took the role. In 
one ep, he's seen doing surgeon's hand exercises. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:28:50 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers? 






I'll do you one better: "Seven Days". During my long period of recent 
unemployment, I had a lot of occasion to watch SciFi, either at home while 
doing chores, or at my old gym, which had television screens on all the 
treadmills. And for a long, long time, "Seven Days" was being aired 
religiously. I think it was on at 3 or 4 pm EST, just before "Voyager" or 
"Enterprise". Now that is a scifi show I never got. The premise was crappy, I 
could never understand if the joystick-controlled timeship was supposed to be a 
joke or not, the casting was just bland, and the stories incredibly derivative. 
I can't remember one ep that was enjoyable, not even the scifi standard of 
going to an evil "mirror" universe. Hence, I don't think I watched more than 
three or four eps of the whole thing from beginning to end. But, like "The 
Sentinel", there it was, day after day, polluting the airwaves 

But even *that* is better than the ghost hunting show! 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:04:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers? 




Angela, my first indicator that something was rotten in the state of Denmark 
was "The Sentinel" or, as I liked to call it, The Manager's Choice". For a 
period of about three years, then-Skiffy altered its morning sched almost 
religiously, shows coming and going with dizzying speed, but "The Sentinel" 
never moved from its timeslot (M-F @ 10:00 am, Sat @ 1:00 pm). I figured that 
someone high up the food chain there must've loved that show something fierce 
(or Richard Burgi), because, at the time, no one I knew cared a whit for the 
show. 

The point of that ramble? Maybe they *are* their own core viewers. 

Martin (listening to Thin Lizzy's "Cold Sweat", which may have fueled that 
last) 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: asrobin...@mindspring.com 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:42:19 + 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers? 




After having no cable since 1992, missing shows like Farscape, Earthsea (gagg), 
etc., and running out of space for Stargate DVD's, I finally let them attach a 
dish to my 100-year-old house SOLELY because of the SciFi channel. 

I wonder if they really know who their core viewers are. 

Angela 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> 
> 
> Keith, I get the feeling that CN made the mistake of looking at the "success" 
> that Siffy's had with the ratings on their reality programming and opted to 
> follow suit, without bothering to look at the complaints. Also, there might 
> be the money factor at play. In this depressed economy, they may be looking 
> for cheap programming. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: keithbjohn...@... 
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 03:46:55 + 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers? 
> 
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> And now even Cartoon Network is doing "reality" shows! WTF? 
> 
> - Original

Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it

[Keith Johnson]

Don't know how I missed that ability before now... 
- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:17:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it 






Keith, that's supposed to be Pete's raison d'etre. He's got "the vibe". He knew 
that his firefighter dad was going to die, and felt guilty because he didn't 
speak up about it. Ever since, he's gone with it. Don't know why it failed him 
in that instance with the mirror-Alice incident. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:35:01 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it 






Yeah, the Sister is used too sparingly. I don't really get her purpose or 
function. Is she psychic? She's always talking about people's auras. 

As for Pete, yeah, the thing about him acting dumb is a tad overplayed. By the 
way, does he have some sort of clairvoyance or sensitivity? In last week's show 
where that psycho Alice from the mirror replaced Micah, Artie kept asking Pete 
if he sensed anything amiss. The conversation seemed to indicate Pete has an 
ability to sense danger or "wrongness" that borders on the psychic. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:13:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it 




I like the show, but some of the things that keep happening over and over again 
bugs me. Like Pete being generally stupid when it comes to how he deals with 
the artifacts he comes in contact with. I do love the artifacts though. Great 
creativity there. There are hundreds of Stephen King books that are waiting to 
be written around some of these artifacts! :) 

The Regents are interesting. There are a few plot elements that they still 
haven't explained yet, and the regents are one. The sista at the boarding house 
is another. 



On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






And this week's was fun too. I was afraid at first there was a clip show 
coming, when Artie was interrogated about his performance, but fortunately I 
was wrong. Liking the cast, and still liking the balance struck between humour 
and drama. Tonight's show, for example, had me seriously rolling when the 
killer dodgeballs attacked Micah and Pete. Funniest thing since the Studio 54 
disco ball! But later, the really dangerous artifact room, filled with some of 
that artifact-neutralizing goo, and shot through with that ghoulish purple 
color, was actually a bit scary. Then the show reminded more of the "Friday the 
13th"series, which was often very creepy. (especially since it aired at 11 pm 
here in the Atl, and I used to lay in bed in the dark watching it). One 
realizes that Warehouse 13 could actually go in three directions: more straight 
drama/detective work (a la some eps of The X-Files), more humourous (a la 
"Eureka"), or more supernatural and creepy like "Friday the 13th". The writers 
are doing a good job with the balance, and I'm liking the humorous bits: the 
Star Trek references. Tonight, Pete goes "Hey! Hey! Hey!", just like Dwayne 
from "What's Happening", and I'm back rolling again! 

That gives them lots of plot possibilities, lots of artifacts to create, from 
the mundane to the extraordinary. 
It's been picked up for a second season. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Johnson" < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:27:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it 



Okay, really liked this week's show. A good mix of danger (the evil Mirror 
Myka), humour (the Studio 54 disco ball as a dangerous magic artifact playing 
"I Will Survive" had me in stitches!), and cool artifacts (Lewis Carroll's 
mirror). 

No longer tepid, the show gets better with every ep. The characters are more 
assured than I expected. the plots are actually interesting and entertaining, 
and they're striking a good balance of danger and fun, drama and humour, 
science and fancy. I like that some of what they use or retrieve borders on 
magical, while some of the stuff is super science.The cast is all interesting, 
from Pete's standard devil-may-care angle, to Myka's cautious suspicious agent, 
to Artie's quirky, often grumpy role as the leader. I even like the young girl 
who's joined the cast. Her comic line "Warehouse 13--The Next Generation", 
accompanied by the Vulcan salute, was hilarious. 

Like "Eureka", and non-scifi shows like "Leverage" and "Burn Notice", it's 
entertaining, has engaging characters, stories that are a nice mix of dra

Re: [scifinoir2] Roger Ebert's Pick of Bad Movies

[Keith Johnson]

You watched it? It's actually that bad? 
One wonders how the likes of Sir Ben Kingsley got pulled into that one... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:13:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Roger Ebert's Pick of Bad Movies 






"The Love Guru" should've been on this list twice. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:52:01 + 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Roger Ebert's Pick of Bad Movies 






Wow, Ebert already put Sandra Bullock's movie on his worst of the worst list? 
Funny: he put both Transformers and G.I. Joe on his list. I must say, I haven't 
seen many of these flicks, and hadn't planned to see most of them. Although, 
many would argue that Transformers, Death Race, G.I. Joe, Night at the Museum, 
etc., are all mindless fun, if not high art 

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/your-movie-sucks.html 

Gathered here in one convenient place are my recent reviews that awarded films 
Zero Stars, One-half Star, One Star, and One-and-a-half Stars. These are, 
generally speaking to be avoided. Sometimes I hear from readers who confess 
they are in the mood to watch a really bad movie. If you're sincere, be sure to 
know what you're getting: A really bad movie. Sandra Bullock in "All About 
Steve" 
Movies that are "so bad they're good" should generally get Two Stars. And 
Pauline Kael once wrote, "The movies are so rarely great art that if we cannot 
appreciate great trash, we shouldn't go at all." Great trash should ideally get 
2.5 stars or even higher. 
Many of these reviews were written in the carefree spirit of those in my books 
Your Movie Sucks and I Hated, Hated, Hated This Movie. Cheap shots and snark 
are permitted. The phrase came about in an interesting way. When Patrick 
Goldstein of the Los Angeles Times was critical of Rob Schnieder's "Deuce 
Bigelow, European Gigolo," Schneider took out a full-page ads in the paper 
informing Goldstein was not qualified to review it--what prizes had he won? In 
my review, I wrote: "As chance would have it, I have won the Pulitzer Prize, 
and so I am qualified. Speaking in my official capacity as a Pulitzer Prize 
winner, Mr. Schneider, your movie sucks." Set and match. 
All About Steve . (PG-13, 87 minutes ) Sandra Bullock plays Mary Horowitz, a 
crossword puzzle constructor who on a blind date falls insanely in love with 
Steve, a TV news cameraman (Bradley Cooper, from "The Hangover"). The operative 
word is "insanely." The movie is billed as a comedy but more resembles a 
perplexing public display of irrational behavior. Seeing her run around as a 
basket case makes you appreciate Lucille Ball, who could play a dizzy dame and 
make you like her. One and a half stars. View the trailer . 
pease.jpg"The Mark Pease Experience" . (Pg-13, 84 minutes). A cheerless, almost 
sullen experience, badly written and inertly directed, with actors who don't 
have a clue what drives their characters. The actors scarcely seem to be in the 
same scenes together. Involves a high school drama coach (Ben Stiller), his 
troubled former student (Jason Schwartzman), and the girl they both pursue 
(Anna Kendrick). Contains no chemistry at all. None. One star. No trailer found 
online. 

"X Games 3-D" . (PG, 92). A documentary about the extreme sports of 
skateboarding, motorcycle jumping and motocross, which a sports film strangely 
doesn't share the point scores with us and often doesn't show the same stunt in 
one unbroken shot. Yes, these athletes are awesomely skilled. Also masochists 
who play with broken bones because they want go "take the sport to a new 
level." Lots of falls that look like they really hurt. One and a half stars. 
View the trailer . 
bilde.jpg"G. I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra" . (PG-13) An 118-minute largely 
animated film with sequences involving the faces and other body parts of human 
beings. It is sure to be enjoyed by those whose movie appreciation is defined 
by the ability to discern that moving pictures and sound are being employed to 
depict violence. Nevertheless, it is better than "Transformers: Revenge of the 
Fallen." One and a half stars. View the trailer . 

trans.jpgTransformers: Revenge of the Fallen . (PG-13, 149 minutes). A horrible 
experience of unbearable length, briefly punctuated by three or four amusing 
moments. One of these involves a dog-like robot humping the leg of the heroine. 
Such are the meagre joys. If you want to save yourself the ticket price, go 
into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid 
to start banging pots and pans together. Then close your eyes and use your 
imagination. One star. View the trailer. 
nia.jpgI Hate Valentine's Day . (PG-13, 98 minutes). Genevei

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?

[Keith Johnson]

Yeah, i watched the pilot of Seven Days recently, and was stunned at that ship, 
and the need to use a joystick to keep some little electronic dot centered on a 
viewscreen. Horrible! 
I really liked "Jake 2.0" 
- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:33:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers? 






I remember that show! It was originally on UPN. It was basically the premise of 
the movie Deja Vu. Something bad happens, so they send back an agent to correct 
the problem. There were several problems with the show. 

One of them was the stupid time travel ship. It was weird and didn't make any 
sense. Plus they never explained how how it got from the base to the middle of 
nowhere without traveling through the air. Also, why didn't the guy have a 
cellphone!??! Not only did he have to crash land the ship, he had to find a 
payphone afterward, then go on the mission. Stupid! There's a lot of cool ideas 
that they could have played around with on the show. Such as different events 
that could have made serious changes to the world. 

Another show that came on around the same time was Jake 2.0. Which has been 
reincarnated as Chuck. Chuck works a little better premise wise, although 
Jake's nanobots seemed to be a better idea. 


On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






I'll do you one better: "Seven Days". During my long period of recent 
unemployment, I had a lot of occasion to watch SciFi, either at home while 
doing chores, or at my old gym, which had television screens on all the 
treadmills. And for a long, long time, "Seven Days" was being aired 
religiously. I think it was on at 3 or 4 pm EST, just before "Voyager" or 
"Enterprise". Now that is a scifi show I never got. The premise was crappy, I 
could never understand if the joystick-controlled timeship was supposed to be a 
joke or not, the casting was just bland, and the stories incredibly derivative. 
I can't remember one ep that was enjoyable, not even the scifi standard of 
going to an evil "mirror" universe. Hence, I don't think I watched more than 
three or four eps of the whole thing from beginning to end. But, like "The 
Sentinel", there it was, day after day, polluting the airwaves 

But even *that* is better than the ghost hunting show! 


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter" < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > 
To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:04:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers? 






Angela, my first indicator that something was rotten in the state of Denmark 
was "The Sentinel" or, as I liked to call it, The Manager's Choice". For a 
period of about three years, then-Skiffy altered its morning sched almost 
religiously, shows coming and going with dizzying speed, but "The Sentinel" 
never moved from its timeslot (M-F @ 10:00 am, Sat @ 1:00 pm). I figured that 
someone high up the food chain there must've loved that show something fierce 
(or Richard Burgi), because, at the time, no one I knew cared a whit for the 
show. 

The point of that ramble? Maybe they *are* their own core viewers. 

Martin (listening to Thin Lizzy's "Cold Sweat", which may have fueled that 
last) 


"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: asrobin...@mindspring.com 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:42:19 + 



Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers? 







After having no cable since 1992, missing shows like Farscape, Earthsea (gagg), 
etc., and running out of space for Stargate DVD's, I finally let them attach a 
dish to my 100-year-old house SOLELY because of the SciFi channel. 

I wonder if they really know who their core viewers are. 

Angela 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> 
> 
> Keith, I get the feeling that CN made the mistake of looking at the "success" 
> that Siffy's had with the ratings on their reality programming and opted to 
> follow suit, without bothering to look at the complaints. Also, there might 
> be the money factor at play. In this depressed economy, they may be looking 
> for cheap programming. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: keithbjohn...@... 
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 03:46:55 + 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> And now even Cartoon Network is doing "reality" shows! WTF? 
> 
> - Origin

[scifinoir2] Steven Seagal: Lawman

[Mr. Worf]

I thought this was a joke, but its real!!! Steven Seagal hits the streets of
LA as a cop in a reality tv show. Lawdy

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1329291/

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[Martin Baxter]

And, the day after that, Gabrielle Union and Gina Torres will turn up in my 
bed...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:31:12 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)















 





  Martin,

i am going 2 get Keith 2 watch E, just like i am gong 2 get u 2 watch Trek.  
'Nuff Said.

Fate.

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 7:33 PM






 


  


Into all of this, this.

Knowing Keith, I'll bet even money that he'll see "Equilibrium" the day after I 
see that JJ A__s travesty from earlier this year.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:37:07 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)















 





  What is not to love. Scifi/1984/Farenhei t 451 world, guns, 
kung fu, Gun fu, Christian Bael, Omar Epps, swords. Nuff said. :)  


On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:



























Tracey, i love the "what he said" - that was kool!if Keith does not watch 
it, tell him 2 email me, i will help u work on him.  it is a really good flick. 
 

Fate.

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Tracey de Morsella  
wrote:


From: Tracey de Morsella 

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 12:17 PM






 


  
What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for years.



-Original Message-

From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On


Behalf Of ravenadal

Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)



Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium!  A friend of mine hipped me to it and,

frankly, I was blown away.  I have subsequently opened the eyes of several

other peeps and the reaction has been universally good.  At core, I love the

movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how good

writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget.  The opening

scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and sound

effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal

filmmaking.



~rave!



--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

>

> I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of fighting

is

> a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in another

> movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well because

it

> came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian Bale

and

> Ty Diggs in it.

> 

> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus

> wrote:

> 

> >

> >

> > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy?  i did not think

that

> > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button.  just

> > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining.  enough so 2 make

me

> > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version.

> >

> > Fate.

> >

> >

> >

> > 

> >

> 

> 

> 

> -- 

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> Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/

>



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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[Augustus Augustus]

Martin,

i am going 2 get Keith 2 watch E, just like i am gong 2 get u 2 watch Trek.  
'Nuff Said.

Fate.

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 7:33 PM






 





  


Into all of this, this.

Knowing Keith, I'll bet even money that he'll see "Equilibrium" the day after I 
see that JJ A__s travesty from earlier this year.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:37:07 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)















 





  What is not to love. Scifi/1984/Farenhei t 451 world, guns, 
kung fu, Gun fu, Christian Bael, Omar Epps, swords. Nuff said. :)  


On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:



























Tracey, i love the "what he said" - that was kool!    if Keith does not watch 
it, tell him 2 email me, i will help u work on him.  it is a really good 
flick.  

Fate.

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Tracey de Morsella  
wrote:


From: Tracey de Morsella 

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 12:17 PM






 


  
What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for years.



-Original Message-

From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On


Behalf Of ravenadal

Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)



Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium!  A friend of mine hipped me to it and,

frankly, I was blown away.  I have subsequently opened the eyes of several

other peeps and the reaction has been universally good.  At core, I love the

movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how good

writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget.  The opening

scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and sound

effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal

filmmaking.



~rave!



--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

>

> I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of fighting

is

> a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in another

> movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well because

it

> came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian Bale

and

> Ty Diggs in it.

> 

> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus

> wrote:

> 

> >

> >

> > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy?  i did not think

that

> > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button.  just

> > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining.  enough so 2 make

me

> > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version.

> >

> > Fate.

> >

> >

> >

> > 

> >

> 

> 

> 

> -- 

> Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!

> Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/

>



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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?

[Mr. Worf]

I thought he sounded Canadian. He seemed to have dropped in out of the blue.


On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Having bounced all around the planet, I was able to pick up Anthony's trace
> accent easily enough. Jonathon's, however, wasn't evident for me until he
> did an ep of "Law & Order", playing a Noo Yawkuh.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:55:09 -0700
>
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?
>
>
>  Wow that is a major career change! That is interesting. I always thought
> that there was something odd about his brother's speech pattern. Every now
> and then you can hear the Auzzie accent.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Martin Baxter  > wrote:
>
>
>
> Forgot that that was a "staple" as well. Think that they ran a block of it
> last month. I always thought of it as "right-wing SF", because the themes of
> God and Country always rang through. And a nit of trivia -- Jonathon
> LaPaglia, the lead, was an ER surgeon in London's East End just before he
> took the role. In one ep, he's seen doing surgeon's hand exercises.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:28:50 +
>
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?
>
>
>
> I'll do you one better: "Seven Days". During my long period of recent
> unemployment, I had a lot of occasion to watch SciFi, either at home while
> doing chores, or at my old gym, which had television screens on all the
> treadmills. And for a long, long time, "Seven Days" was being aired
> religiously. I think it was on at 3 or 4 pm EST, just before "Voyager" or
> "Enterprise". Now that is a scifi show I never got. The premise was crappy,
> I could never understand if the joystick-controlled timeship was supposed to
> be a joke or not, the casting was just bland, and the stories incredibly
> derivative. I can't remember one ep that was enjoyable, not even the scifi
> standard of going to an evil "mirror" universe. Hence, I don't think I
> watched more than three or four eps of the whole thing from beginning to
> end. But, like "The Sentinel", there it was, day after day, polluting the
> airwaves
>
> But even *that* is better than the ghost hunting show!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:04:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?
>
>Angela, my first indicator that something was rotten in the state of
> Denmark was "The Sentinel" or, as I liked to call it, The Manager's Choice".
> For a period of about three years, then-Skiffy altered its morning sched
> almost religiously, shows coming and going with dizzying speed, but "The
> Sentinel" never moved from its timeslot (M-F @ 10:00 am, Sat @ 1:00 pm). I
> figured that someone high up the food chain there must've loved that show
> something fierce (or Richard Burgi), because, at the time, no one I knew
> cared a whit for the show.
>
> The point of that ramble? Maybe they *are* their own core viewers.
>
> Martin (listening to Thin Lizzy's "Cold Sweat", which may have fueled that
> last)
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: asrobin...@mindspring.com
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:42:19 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?
>
>After having no cable since 1992, missing shows like Farscape, Earthsea
> (gagg), etc., and running out of space for Stargate DVD's, I finally let
> them attach a dish to my 100-year-old house SOLELY because of the SciFi
> channel.
>
> I wonder if they really know who their core viewers are.
>
> Angela
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Keith, I get the feeling that CN made the mistake of looking at the
> "success" that Siffy's had with the ratings on their reality programming and
> opted to follow suit, without bothering to look at the complaints. Also,
> there might be the money factor at play. In this depressed economy, they may
> be looking for cheap programming.
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>

Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it

[Mr. Worf]

That would be an interesting twist to things. They could mix in all of the
conspiracy theories. The source material is endless!

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Danged if I know.
>
> Ostensibly, they're supposed to be the Big Bosses of the Warehouse, which
> makes little sense at face value, considering that the Warehouse is staffed
> by the Secret Service. Unless we consider the fact that the Freemasons
> really run the show, in which case-
>
> (interrupted by DeptHomeSec Monitor 55192)
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:58:02 -0700
>
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it
>
>
>  What is the deal with the "regents?"
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:18 AM, Martin Baxter  > wrote:
>
>
>
> Thank you. It just struck me, the second time I watched the pilot, wondered
> why she, with that gift, wasn't out in the field.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:35:25 +
>
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it
>
>
> Dude, what a thought! Good supposition!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:16:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it
>
>Mr Worf, my personal thought regarding the sister -- she's a Living
> Artifact. Wait for it to happen.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:13:41 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it
>
>I like the show, but some of the things that keep happening over and
> over again bugs me. Like Pete being generally stupid when it comes to how he
> deals with the artifacts he comes in contact with. I do love the artifacts
> though.  Great creativity there. There are hundreds of Stephen King books
> that are waiting to be written around some of these artifacts! :)
>
> The Regents are interesting. There are a few plot elements that they still
> haven't explained yet, and the regents are one. The sista at the boarding
> house is another.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> And this week's was fun too. I was afraid at first there was a clip show
> coming, when Artie was interrogated about his performance, but fortunately I
> was wrong. Liking the cast, and still liking the balance struck between
> humour and drama. Tonight's show, for example, had me seriously rolling when
> the killer dodgeballs attacked Micah and Pete. Funniest thing since the
> Studio 54 disco ball! But later, the really dangerous artifact room, filled
> with some of that artifact-neutralizing goo, and shot through with that
> ghoulish purple color, was actually a bit scary. Then the show reminded more
> of the "Friday the 13th"series, which was often very creepy. (especially
> since it aired at 11 pm here in the Atl, and I used to lay in bed in the
> dark watching it). One realizes that Warehouse 13 could actually go in three
> directions: more straight drama/detective work (a la some eps of The
> X-Files), more humourous (a la "Eureka"), or more supernatural and creepy
> like "Friday the 13th". The writers are doing a good job with the balance,
> and I'm liking the humorous bits: the Star Trek references. Tonight, Pete
> goes "Hey! Hey! Hey!", just like Dwayne from "What's Happening", and I'm
> back rolling again!
>
> That gives them lots of plot possibilities, lots of artifacts to create,
> from the mundane to the extraordinary.
> It's been picked up for a second season.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Keith Johnson" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:27:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it
>
> Okay, really liked this week's show. A good mix of danger (the evil Mirror
> Myka), humour (the Studio 54 disco ball as a dangerous magic artifact
> playing "I Will Survive" had me in stitches!), and cool artifacts (Lewis
> Carroll's mirror).
>
> No longer tepid, the show gets better with every ep. The characters are
> more assured than I expected. the plots are actually interesting and
> entertaining, and they're striking a good balanc

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?

[Martin Baxter]

Having bounced all around the planet, I was able to pick up Anthony's trace 
accent easily enough. Jonathon's, however, wasn't evident for me until he did 
an ep of "Law & Order", playing a Noo Yawkuh.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:55:09 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?















 





  Wow that is a major career change! That is interesting. I 
always thought that there was something odd about his brother's speech pattern. 
Every now and then you can hear the Auzzie accent. 



On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























Forgot that that was a "staple" as well. Think that they ran a block of it last 
month. I always thought of it as "right-wing SF", because the themes of God and 
Country always rang through. And a nit of trivia -- Jonathon LaPaglia, the 
lead, was an ER surgeon in London's East End just before he took the role. In 
one ep, he's seen doing surgeon's hand exercises.


"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:28:50 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?















 





  
I'll do you one better: "Seven Days". During my long period of recent 
unemployment, I had a lot of occasion to watch SciFi, either at home while 
doing chores, or at my old gym, which had television screens on all the 
treadmills. And for a long, long time, "Seven Days" was being aired 
religiously. I think it was on at 3 or 4 pm EST, just before "Voyager" or 
"Enterprise". Now that is a scifi show I never got. The premise was crappy, I 
could never understand if the joystick-controlled timeship was supposed to be a 
joke or not, the casting was just bland, and the stories incredibly derivative. 
I can't remember one ep that was enjoyable, not even the scifi standard of 
going to an evil "mirror" universe. Hence, I don't think I watched more than 
three or four eps of the whole thing from beginning to end. But, like "The 
Sentinel", there it was, day after day, polluting the airwaves


But even *that* is better than the ghost hunting show!

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 

To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:04:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?








 





  


Angela, my first indicator that something was rotten in the state of Denmark 
was "The Sentinel" or, as I liked to call it, The Manager's Choice". For a 
period of about three years, then-Skiffy altered its morning sched almost 
religiously, shows coming and going with dizzying speed, but "The Sentinel" 
never moved from its timeslot (M-F @ 10:00 am, Sat @ 1:00 pm). I figured that 
someone high up the food chain there must've loved that show something fierce 
(or Richard Burgi), because, at the time, no one I knew cared a whit for the 
show.


The point of that ramble? Maybe they *are* their own core viewers.

Martin (listening to Thin Lizzy's "Cold Sweat", which may have fueled that last)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: asrobin...@mindspring.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:42:19 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?















 





  After having no cable since 1992, missing shows like 
Farscape,  Earthsea (gagg), etc., and running out of space for Stargate DVD's, 
I finally let them attach a dish to my 100-year-old house SOLELY because of the 
SciFi channel.  




I wonder if they really know who their core viewers are.



Angela



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

> 

> Keith, I get the feeling that CN made the mistake of looking at the "success" 
> that Siffy's had with the ratings on their reality programming and opted to 
> follow suit, without bothering to look at the complaints. Also, there might 
> be the money factor at play. In this depressed economy, they may be looking 
> for cheap programming.


> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> 

> 

> 

> 

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: keithbjohn...@...

> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 03:46:55 +

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[Mr. Worf]

The average larger budget film opens in about 1000-1400+ theaters. Most
indie films open in 100-300 theaters (or less).

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:11 PM, ravenadal  wrote:

> Answer to my own question:  it was released on 301 screens in December
> 2002. Grossed a whopping $1.2 mil domestically.  Cost $20 mil to make.
>
> ~rave!
>
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal"  wrote:
> >
> > Was Equilibrium released in theaters?  If not, I think the distributors
> badly miscalculated.  It may have found an untapped audience the way "Saw"
> did and the way "District 9" did.
> >
> > ~rave!
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > It has to be one of the most underrated Scifi movies ever!
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com]
> On
> > > Behalf Of ravenadal
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:55 PM
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
> > >
> > > Wow!  I just had one of those deja vu moments like when you fly over
> your
> > > house to see if you're home and you are!  I was about to chime in on
> this
> > > thread and I open it up to see that I already did - two months ago!
> > >
> > > ~rave!
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for years.
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com]
> On
> > > > Behalf Of ravenadal
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM
> > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
> > > >
> > > > Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium!  A friend of mine hipped me to it and,
> > > > frankly, I was blown away.  I have subsequently opened the eyes of
> several
> > > > other peeps and the reaction has been universally good.  At core, I
> love
> > > the
> > > > movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how
> good
> > > > writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget.  The
> opening
> > > > scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and
> sound
> > > > effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal
> > > > filmmaking.
> > > >
> > > > ~rave!
> > > >
> > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf" 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of
> fighting
> > > > is
> > > > > a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in
> another
> > > > > movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well
> > > because
> > > > it
> > > > > came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian
> Bale
> > > > and
> > > > > Ty Diggs in it.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy?  i did not
> think
> > > > that
> > > > > > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button.
> > > just
> > > > > > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining.  enough so
> 2
> > > make
> > > > me
> > > > > > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> > > > > Mahogany at:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> > > >
> > >
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa
> > > > hoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> > >
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> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> 
>
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RE: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it

[Martin Baxter]

Danged if I know.

Ostensibly, they're supposed to be the Big Bosses of the Warehouse, which makes 
little sense at face value, considering that the Warehouse is staffed by the 
Secret Service. Unless we consider the fact that the Freemasons really run the 
show, in which case-

(interrupted by DeptHomeSec Monitor 55192)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:58:02 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it















 





  What is the deal with the "regents?"


On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:18 AM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























Thank you. It just struck me, the second time I watched the pilot, wondered why 
she, with that gift, wasn't out in the field.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:35:25 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it
















 





  
Dude, what a thought! Good supposition!

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 

To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:16:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it








 





  


Mr Worf, my personal thought regarding the sister -- she's a Living Artifact. 
Wait for it to happen.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:13:41 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it















 





  I like the show, but some of the things that keep happening 
over and over again bugs me. Like Pete being generally stupid when it comes to 
how he deals with the artifacts he comes in contact with. I do love the 
artifacts though.  Great creativity there. There are hundreds of Stephen King 
books that are waiting to be written around some of these artifacts! :) 



The Regents are interesting. There are a few plot elements that they still 
haven't explained yet, and the regents are one. The sista at the boarding house 
is another. 


On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Keith Johnson  wrote:






















And this week's was fun too. I was afraid at first there was a clip show 
coming, when Artie was interrogated about his performance, but fortunately I 
was wrong. Liking the cast, and still liking the balance struck between humour 
and drama. Tonight's show, for example, had me seriously rolling when the 
killer dodgeballs attacked Micah and Pete. Funniest thing since the Studio 54 
disco ball! But later, the really dangerous artifact room, filled with some of 
that artifact-neutralizing goo, and shot through with that ghoulish purple 
color, was actually a bit scary. Then the show reminded more of the "Friday the 
13th"series, which was often very creepy. (especially since it aired at 11 pm 
here in the Atl, and I used to lay in bed in the dark watching it). One 
realizes that Warehouse 13 could actually go in three directions: more straight 
drama/detective work (a la some eps of The X-Files), more humourous (a la 
"Eureka"), or more supernatural and creepy like "Friday the 13th". The writers 
are doing a good job with the balance, and I'm liking the humorous bits: the 
Star Trek references. Tonight, Pete goes "Hey! Hey! Hey!", just like Dwayne 
from "What's Happening", and I'm back rolling again!



That gives them lots of plot possibilities, lots of artifacts to create, from 
the mundane to the extraordinary.
It's been picked up for a second season.


- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" 


To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:27:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it



Okay, really liked this week's show. A good mix of danger (the evil Mirror 
Myka), humour (the Studio 54 disco ball as a dangerous magic artifact playing 
"I Will Survive" had me in stitches!), and cool artifacts (Lewis Carroll's 
mirror). 



No longer tepid, the show gets better with every ep. The characters are more 
assured than I expected. the plots are actually interesting and entertaining, 
and they're striking a good balance of danger and fun, drama and humour, 
science and fancy.  I like that some of what they use or retrieve borders on 
magical, while some of the stuff is super science.The cast is all interesting, 
from Pete's standard devil-

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[Martin Baxter]

Into all of this, this.

Knowing Keith, I'll bet even money that he'll see "Equilibrium" the day after I 
see that JJ A__s travesty from earlier this year.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:37:07 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)















 





  What is not to love. Scifi/1984/Farenheit 451 world, guns, 
kung fu, Gun fu, Christian Bael, Omar Epps, swords. Nuff said. :)  


On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:



























Tracey, i love the "what he said" - that was kool!if Keith does not watch 
it, tell him 2 email me, i will help u work on him.  it is a really good flick. 
 

Fate.

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Tracey de Morsella  
wrote:


From: Tracey de Morsella 

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 12:17 PM






 


  
What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for years.



-Original Message-

From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On


Behalf Of ravenadal

Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)



Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium!  A friend of mine hipped me to it and,

frankly, I was blown away.  I have subsequently opened the eyes of several

other peeps and the reaction has been universally good.  At core, I love the

movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how good

writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget.  The opening

scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and sound

effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal

filmmaking.



~rave!



--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

>

> I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of fighting

is

> a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in another

> movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well because

it

> came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian Bale

and

> Ty Diggs in it.

> 

> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus

> wrote:

> 

> >

> >

> > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy?  i did not think

that

> > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button.  just

> > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining.  enough so 2 make

me

> > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version.

> >

> > Fate.

> >

> >

> >

> > 

> >

> 

> 

> 

> -- 

> Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!

> Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/

>



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RE: [scifinoir2] Graphic novel: A.D.: New Orleans After the Deluge

[Martin Baxter]

Don't need the book. I have friends who lived it first-hand. None of them 
needed to recount a single word, because the horror was vivid in their eyes.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:50:20 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Graphic novel: A.D.: New Orleans  After the Deluge















 





  http://quugaix.notlong.com



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A graphic novel captures the storm and its aftermath.



By John Reed



August 23, 2009



A.D.



New Orleans After the Deluge



Josh Neufeld



Pantheon: 198 pp., $24.95



In 2007, Smith Magazine serialized a comics treatment of Hurricane Katrina and 
its aftermath. That work, "A.D.: New Orleans After the Deluge," tracked the 
lives of seven New Orleans residents as they fled, remained and struggled to 
survive and recover not just their things but their lives. Its creator, Josh 
Neufeld, is best known for his collaborations with Harvey Pekar, whose scripts, 
highly detailed and paneled, come to life in the renderings of illustrators 
casually assigned.



Neufeld's style is in no way haphazard. His drawings are reminiscent less of 
the superhero than of the Sunday comics page. That doesn't mean they are 
youthful or naive. With simple lines -- deft and evocative -- Neufeld 
communicates complex human emotions. Two- and three-color palettes render the 
passing days with sober integrity.



As the pages progress, "A.D." highlights details that are surprising and vivid. 
As one character, Abbas, slips into denial about the disaster, his decision to 
remain behind at his convenience store -- with guns and supplies -- becomes 
indicative of the American dream. Abbas is not stupid; he is hardworking and 
fearless, and Neufeld casts him with charm and bravado. Denise, who curses the 
storm as a "bitch," and the blasé Doctor Brobson, toasting Katrina with a party 
in the French Quarter, also help humanize a catastrophe that outsizes ordinary 
understanding. The account of Kwame, shipping off to Ohio for his senior year 
in high school, simultaneously relates the human ability to adapt and overcome, 
and the terrible loss of leaving everything behind.



In places, Neufeld's scripting can be overdetermined. Outside of locations, 
dates and times, his narrative is conveyed entirely through dialogue, a 
decision that leads to clunky inclusions of back story. Mechanical moments of 
foreshadowing also trouble early pages. "Should I move some of this stuff in 
case we get flooding?" asks one subject, Leo, who also contributes the fateful: 
"Well, we still need to hope the levees hold."



And yet, at its finest, "A.D." sketches the incomprehensible: the storm that 
covers the city like a palm covering a dime; the buzzing of mosquitoes, septic 
and insouciant, in the fetid night; the overwhelming memories that leave a 
survivor bug-eyed and drowning. It is the people's history of Katrina; their 
experience of the hurricane, the flood and the government. Neufeld is sensitive 
to the failure of local and federal authorities as well as to the dangers of 
gangs and thugs in a blackout of law. But he remains objective -- reporting 
rather than pointing fingers at either the thugs that were there or specific 
politicians and agencies that fell woefully short.



The "novel graphic" or "graphic novel" is, in its own way, a return to the book 
before the printing press -- the illuminated manuscripts, scribes and artists 
working in tandem. "A.D." is a work in that tradition: of literature, of high 
art, and of reverence for nature and humanity.



Reed is books editor of the Brooklyn Rail.



Copyright © 2009, The Los Angeles Times





 

  














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RE: [scifinoir2] New "Vampire Diaries" deliciously sinks teeth into genre

[Martin Baxter]

Not chance the first. Might miss the fist bit of the game because of 
"Countdown", at worst.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:04:58 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] New "Vampire Diaries" deliciously sinks teeth into genre















 





  Anybody watching tonight (EYE am watching feetball, myself)?



~rave!



http://usixoo.notlong.com



latimes.com



TELEVISION REVIEW



'The Vampire Diaries'



Amid the many Count Dracula-esque cliches, it's a good old-fashioned Gothic 
love story.



By MARY McNAMARA



Television Critic



September 10, 2009



For months now people have been anticipating "The Vampire Diaries" as a CW-ized 
version of "Twilight" with a bunch of sensitive young lovelies yearning and 
burning for danger, romance and the ultimate penetration. In between bouts of 
underage drinking, texting, girl-bonding, and the inevitable minor-key whine of 
a soundtrack, that is. "True Blood Lite" or "Transylvania 90210."



And you know what? It is. Almost exactly.



But this is not a bad thing, not a bad thing at all. Because "Vampire Diaries" 
knows precisely what it is -- a Gothic romance -- and doesn't try to be 
anything else. It's not going for a spangly-skinned update of "The Catcher in 
the Rye" or a pretentious political metaphor or even a 
through-the-mirror-darkly Christ myth. "The Vampire Diaries" is a good 
old-fashioned love story with vampires.



Rolling dry-ice fog? Check. Croaking raven as harbinger of evil? Check. 
Vampires bright and dark? Check. Modern girl who looks exactly like sepia-tone 
daguerreotype of noble vampire's long dead love? Honking big ring with 
vampire-related powers? Angel-winged tombstones? Promising references to local 
Civil War atrocities? Checkity, check, check, check and check. And that's just 
the first episode.



Seriously, all that's missing is Barnabas Collins with his thin-lipped smile 
and wolf-head cane. Ah, Barnabas, who will forget your tortured cries when 
Josette leaped to her death rather than succumb to your kiss of eternal life?



Not executive producers Kevin Williamson ("Scream," "Dawson's Creek") and Julie 
Plec ("Kyle XY"), that's for sure. Tim Burton and Johnny Depp may be literally 
resurrecting the fabulous "Dark Shadows," but tonally, "The Vampire Diaries" 
got there first.



Let the other franchises sniff with disdain at moldy old genre conventions, 
"The Vampire Diaries" stacks them up like corpses in a mausoleum and dances 
howling on the roof. Lonely road plus attractive couple plus swirling mist 
equals horrific death. Dueling diaries and anguished voice-overs compete with 
emo-soundtrack tunes while amid the forest primeval, girls vamp and the vamp 
broods (someday we will have a torn and troubled female vampire as a 
protagonist, but that day is not today). Eternal life results in bitter 
tenderness while true love keeps diaries and transcends centuries.



To a small town Southern enough to have had its own Civil War battle, Stefan 
(Paul Wesley), a 200-year-old vampire, has returned. He "knows the risks" of 
such a move, but cannot live without "her." "Her" is Elena (Nina Dobrev of 
"Degrassi: The Next Generation"), recently orphaned (how Gothic can you get?) 
and with the requisite beauty. Burdened by grief and the drug-related antics of 
her brother Jeremy (Steven R. McQueen), Elena nonetheless manages to engage in 
some serious back-to-school eye-lockage with new kid Stefan, who's busy 
battling his Very Nature to not drain the blood from her body. Ah, high school.



But what is Abel without Cain? What is Edgar without Heathcliff? Stefan may not 
be responsible for those recent "animal attacks" but someone is, and that 
someone is his wickedly blue-eyed brother, Damon (Ian Somerhalder, from 
"Lost"). Damon twinkles where Stefan smolders, kills where Stefan abstains and 
generally gets all the best lines.



"I liked what you did with the face," he taunts after Stefan goes all red-eyed 
and vein-riddled before pushing him through a window.



Although the show deviates more than a bit from the L.J. Smith books on which 
it is based, the essential love triangle between Elena, Stefan and his brother 
Damon should be assembled by the end of episode two, three at the latest. Add a 
best friend who may be turning psychic, an Adonis-like ex-boyfriend, his 
troubled sister and would-be-rapist wingman, and the jealous blond classmate, 
and you have a potential page turner of a show.



It may not be art, but it's as much fun as an ice-cream social in a cemetery, 
complete with the rustling chill of crows' wings overhead and the eerie outline 
of the campus cutie with strange vermilion eyes emerging from a sudden swirling 
mist.



mary.mcnam...@latimes.com



Copyright © 2009, The Los

[scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[ravenadal]

Answer to my own question:  it was released on 301 screens in December 2002. 
Grossed a whopping $1.2 mil domestically.  Cost $20 mil to make.

~rave!


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal"  wrote:
>
> Was Equilibrium released in theaters?  If not, I think the distributors badly 
> miscalculated.  It may have found an untapped audience the way "Saw" did and 
> the way "District 9" did.
> 
> ~rave! 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
> >
> > It has to be one of the most underrated Scifi movies ever!
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of ravenadal
> > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:55 PM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
> > 
> > Wow!  I just had one of those deja vu moments like when you fly over your
> > house to see if you're home and you are!  I was about to chime in on this
> > thread and I open it up to see that I already did - two months ago!
> > 
> > ~rave!
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
> > >
> > > What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for years.
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> > > Behalf Of ravenadal
> > > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
> > > 
> > > Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium!  A friend of mine hipped me to it and,
> > > frankly, I was blown away.  I have subsequently opened the eyes of several
> > > other peeps and the reaction has been universally good.  At core, I love
> > the
> > > movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how good
> > > writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget.  The opening
> > > scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and sound
> > > effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal
> > > filmmaking.
> > > 
> > > ~rave!
> > > 
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of fighting
> > > is
> > > > a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in another
> > > > movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well
> > because
> > > it
> > > > came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian Bale
> > > and
> > > > Ty Diggs in it.
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy?  i did not think
> > > that
> > > > > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button.
> > just
> > > > > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining.  enough so 2
> > make
> > > me
> > > > > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fate.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> > > > Mahogany at:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> > >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa
> > > hoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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>

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[Mr. Worf]

I think it was. I remember seeing it in the local paper. It wasn't in a lot
of theaters though. Mostly marketed like an inde film.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:03 PM, ravenadal  wrote:

> Was Equilibrium released in theaters?  If not, I think the distributors
> badly miscalculated.  It may have found an untapped audience the way "Saw"
> did and the way "District 9" did.
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> wrote:
> >
> > It has to be one of the most underrated Scifi movies ever!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of ravenadal
> > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:55 PM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
> >
> > Wow!  I just had one of those deja vu moments like when you fly over your
> > house to see if you're home and you are!  I was about to chime in on this
> > thread and I open it up to see that I already did - two months ago!
> >
> > ~rave!
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for years.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com]
> On
> > > Behalf Of ravenadal
> > > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
> > >
> > > Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium!  A friend of mine hipped me to it and,
> > > frankly, I was blown away.  I have subsequently opened the eyes of
> several
> > > other peeps and the reaction has been universally good.  At core, I
> love
> > the
> > > movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how
> good
> > > writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget.  The opening
> > > scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and
> sound
> > > effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal
> > > filmmaking.
> > >
> > > ~rave!
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of
> fighting
> > > is
> > > > a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in
> another
> > > > movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well
> > because
> > > it
> > > > came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian
> Bale
> > > and
> > > > Ty Diggs in it.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy?  i did not
> think
> > > that
> > > > > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button.
> > just
> > > > > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining.  enough so 2
> > make
> > > me
> > > > > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fate.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> > > > Mahogany at:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> > >
> >
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa
> > > hoo! Groups Links
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> >
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> > hoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
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>
>
>


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Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

[scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[ravenadal]

Was Equilibrium released in theaters?  If not, I think the distributors badly 
miscalculated.  It may have found an untapped audience the way "Saw" did and 
the way "District 9" did.

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> It has to be one of the most underrated Scifi movies ever!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of ravenadal
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:55 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
> 
> Wow!  I just had one of those deja vu moments like when you fly over your
> house to see if you're home and you are!  I was about to chime in on this
> thread and I open it up to see that I already did - two months ago!
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
> >
> > What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for years.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of ravenadal
> > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
> > 
> > Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium!  A friend of mine hipped me to it and,
> > frankly, I was blown away.  I have subsequently opened the eyes of several
> > other peeps and the reaction has been universally good.  At core, I love
> the
> > movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how good
> > writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget.  The opening
> > scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and sound
> > effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal
> > filmmaking.
> > 
> > ~rave!
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of fighting
> > is
> > > a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in another
> > > movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well
> because
> > it
> > > came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian Bale
> > and
> > > Ty Diggs in it.
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy?  i did not think
> > that
> > > > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button.
> just
> > > > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining.  enough so 2
> make
> > me
> > > > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version.
> > > >
> > > > Fate.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> > > Mahogany at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> >
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa
> > hoo! Groups Links
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
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> hoo! Groups Links
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[Mr. Worf]

I think that it was overlooked because of the timing. People were still
talking about the Matrix when it came out, and they had a small advertising
budget. I think people thought that it was a Matrix ripoff when it came out.


On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Tracey de Morsella <
tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> wrote:

> It has to be one of the most underrated Scifi movies ever!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of ravenadal
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:55 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
>
> Wow!  I just had one of those deja vu moments like when you fly over your
> house to see if you're home and you are!  I was about to chime in on this
> thread and I open it up to see that I already did - two months ago!
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> wrote:
> >
> > What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for years.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of ravenadal
> > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
> >
> > Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium!  A friend of mine hipped me to it and,
> > frankly, I was blown away.  I have subsequently opened the eyes of
> several
> > other peeps and the reaction has been universally good.  At core, I love
> the
> > movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how good
> > writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget.  The opening
> > scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and
> sound
> > effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal
> > filmmaking.
> >
> > ~rave!
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of
> fighting
> > is
> > > a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in another
> > > movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well
> because
> > it
> > > came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian
> Bale
> > and
> > > Ty Diggs in it.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy?  i did not
> think
> > that
> > > > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button.
> just
> > > > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining.  enough so 2
> make
> > me
> > > > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version.
> > > >
> > > > Fate.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> > > Mahogany at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> >
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa
> > hoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[Tracey de Morsella]

It has to be one of the most underrated Scifi movies ever!

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ravenadal
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:55 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

Wow!  I just had one of those deja vu moments like when you fly over your
house to see if you're home and you are!  I was about to chime in on this
thread and I open it up to see that I already did - two months ago!

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for years.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of ravenadal
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
> 
> Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium!  A friend of mine hipped me to it and,
> frankly, I was blown away.  I have subsequently opened the eyes of several
> other peeps and the reaction has been universally good.  At core, I love
the
> movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how good
> writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget.  The opening
> scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and sound
> effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal
> filmmaking.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of fighting
> is
> > a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in another
> > movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well
because
> it
> > came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian Bale
> and
> > Ty Diggs in it.
> > 
> > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus
> > wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy?  i did not think
> that
> > > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button.
just
> > > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining.  enough so 2
make
> me
> > > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version.
> > >
> > > Fate.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> > Mahogany at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa
> hoo! Groups Links
>






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RE: [scifinoir2] The Ed Show

[Martin Baxter]

I gaze 'pon it as I type! 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:06:42 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] The Ed Show















 





  Ed Schultz is fired up on the Ed Show, today!



~rave!





 

  














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[scifinoir2] The Ed Show

[ravenadal]

Ed Schultz is fired up on the Ed Show, today!

~rave!

[scifinoir2] New "Vampire Diaries" deliciously sinks teeth into genre

[ravenadal]

Anybody watching tonight (EYE am watching feetball, myself)?

~rave!

http://usixoo.notlong.com

latimes.com

TELEVISION REVIEW

'The Vampire Diaries'

Amid the many Count Dracula-esque cliches, it's a good old-fashioned Gothic 
love story.

By MARY McNAMARA

Television Critic

September 10, 2009

For months now people have been anticipating "The Vampire Diaries" as a CW-ized 
version of "Twilight" with a bunch of sensitive young lovelies yearning and 
burning for danger, romance and the ultimate penetration. In between bouts of 
underage drinking, texting, girl-bonding, and the inevitable minor-key whine of 
a soundtrack, that is. "True Blood Lite" or "Transylvania 90210."

And you know what? It is. Almost exactly.

But this is not a bad thing, not a bad thing at all. Because "Vampire Diaries" 
knows precisely what it is -- a Gothic romance -- and doesn't try to be 
anything else. It's not going for a spangly-skinned update of "The Catcher in 
the Rye" or a pretentious political metaphor or even a 
through-the-mirror-darkly Christ myth. "The Vampire Diaries" is a good 
old-fashioned love story with vampires.

Rolling dry-ice fog? Check. Croaking raven as harbinger of evil? Check. 
Vampires bright and dark? Check. Modern girl who looks exactly like sepia-tone 
daguerreotype of noble vampire's long dead love? Honking big ring with 
vampire-related powers? Angel-winged tombstones? Promising references to local 
Civil War atrocities? Checkity, check, check, check and check. And that's just 
the first episode.

Seriously, all that's missing is Barnabas Collins with his thin-lipped smile 
and wolf-head cane. Ah, Barnabas, who will forget your tortured cries when 
Josette leaped to her death rather than succumb to your kiss of eternal life?

Not executive producers Kevin Williamson ("Scream," "Dawson's Creek") and Julie 
Plec ("Kyle XY"), that's for sure. Tim Burton and Johnny Depp may be literally 
resurrecting the fabulous "Dark Shadows," but tonally, "The Vampire Diaries" 
got there first.

Let the other franchises sniff with disdain at moldy old genre conventions, 
"The Vampire Diaries" stacks them up like corpses in a mausoleum and dances 
howling on the roof. Lonely road plus attractive couple plus swirling mist 
equals horrific death. Dueling diaries and anguished voice-overs compete with 
emo-soundtrack tunes while amid the forest primeval, girls vamp and the vamp 
broods (someday we will have a torn and troubled female vampire as a 
protagonist, but that day is not today). Eternal life results in bitter 
tenderness while true love keeps diaries and transcends centuries.

To a small town Southern enough to have had its own Civil War battle, Stefan 
(Paul Wesley), a 200-year-old vampire, has returned. He "knows the risks" of 
such a move, but cannot live without "her." "Her" is Elena (Nina Dobrev of 
"Degrassi: The Next Generation"), recently orphaned (how Gothic can you get?) 
and with the requisite beauty. Burdened by grief and the drug-related antics of 
her brother Jeremy (Steven R. McQueen), Elena nonetheless manages to engage in 
some serious back-to-school eye-lockage with new kid Stefan, who's busy 
battling his Very Nature to not drain the blood from her body. Ah, high school.

But what is Abel without Cain? What is Edgar without Heathcliff? Stefan may not 
be responsible for those recent "animal attacks" but someone is, and that 
someone is his wickedly blue-eyed brother, Damon (Ian Somerhalder, from 
"Lost"). Damon twinkles where Stefan smolders, kills where Stefan abstains and 
generally gets all the best lines.

"I liked what you did with the face," he taunts after Stefan goes all red-eyed 
and vein-riddled before pushing him through a window.

Although the show deviates more than a bit from the L.J. Smith books on which 
it is based, the essential love triangle between Elena, Stefan and his brother 
Damon should be assembled by the end of episode two, three at the latest. Add a 
best friend who may be turning psychic, an Adonis-like ex-boyfriend, his 
troubled sister and would-be-rapist wingman, and the jealous blond classmate, 
and you have a potential page turner of a show.

It may not be art, but it's as much fun as an ice-cream social in a cemetery, 
complete with the rustling chill of crows' wings overhead and the eerie outline 
of the campus cutie with strange vermilion eyes emerging from a sudden swirling 
mist.

mary.mcnam...@latimes.com

Copyright © 2009, The Los Angeles Times

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech

[Mr. Worf]

This behavior doesn't surprise me. Mainly because the media in some parts of
the country has a tendency of filtering it to a particular bent. Why
wouldn't their politicians do the same? They know that they are wrong for
what they are doing. It stops being a discussion as soon as they stop
listening to opposing points of view.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Mr Worf, in a remotely sane Cosmos, last night would've closed the deal.
> Unfortunately, I've seen ample evidence to prove that the sheeple are far
> less edumacated than in previous years.
>
> And I posted earlier that, in lieu of not being able to reach Rep Wilson
> via his page (according to MSNBC, his *supporters* crashed the site to give
> him cyber high-fives), I was going to reach out to his fellow congressmen in
> SC to pass the Bad Word to him. Normally, congressional and senatorial
> contact pages allow anyone to touch base with any Congressperson (last
> month, I zapped one to Max Baucus, and I've traded a few with Senator Nelson
> of Florida). Today, they've all been reformatted, allowing only for people
> in their state to use them. Closing ranks as they hide...
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:41:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar
> During Speech
>
>
>  The problem is that most people haven't read the bill including most of
> congress. Its huge and would take several days to read it, so if you're in
> opposition you can use the public's ignorance of it to your own advantage.
> The ones beating the drum of "anti-Obamaism" can get away with saying
> anything at this point. Hopefully sooner than later they will do something
> so outrageous that it will turn many of their own party away from the
> madness. This incident came close.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:22 AM, daikaiju66  wrote:
>
> According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting
> or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the
> case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > (standing ovation)
> >
> > And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill
> clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in
> any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still
> lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a
> line the minute I'm done here.
> >
> > And I'll throw in "You might want to read the bill.)
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > From: keithbjohn...@...
> > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 +
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During
> Speech
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > I don't usually get into the "write this person or call that one" thing,
> but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened
> to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr.
> Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, "Christian" ministers are praying
> for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the
> option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned "Stay in school and study
> hard speech".  (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today
> burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran).
> >
> > Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can
> remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys
> standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something
> that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given
> him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as
> many death threats as is "normal" for a President. And of course, the health
> care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him,
> with charges of "death panels", socialism, government takeovers, etc.,
> running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been
> maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the
> garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay
> above the stench of  it all.
> >
> > But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina
> representative Joe Wilson clearly yells "you lie!" at the President's
> assertion th

RE: [scifinoir2] Chicago's future: from "Blade Runner" to "George Jetson"

[Martin Baxter]

Calm, rational person thatI am, I'll take the Blade Runner option.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:36:59 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Chicago's future: from "Blade Runner" to "George Jetson"















 





  Visions of Chicago's future, from 'Blade Runner' to George 
Jetson; an engaging but uneven exhibit marks the Burnham Plan centennial



http://huedoo.notlong.com



September 10, 2009



There's more chaff than wheat in a new exhibit about the future of Chicago, but 
I still recommend that you see it, if only for the sheer fun (or dread) of 
contemplating some truly out-of-the-box visions of the future.



My favorite in the sunny, George Jetson genre of future-casting comes from 
architects Brad Lynch and David Brininstool (below). They envision public 
vehicles powered by an umbrella of magnetic energy that would float over the 
city, freeing CTA land for green space. Sounds like a full-employment act for 
air-traffic controllers.



As for the dark, "Blade Runner" take on tomorrow, the prize goes to architect 
Joe Valerio (above). He gives us 22nd Century downtown Chicago, most of it 
covered in a transparent blanket that resembles a giant piece of Glad Wrap. 
Heat trapped under the skin would be exhausted through massive solar towers. 
This would make a great stage set for a sci-fi flick. It's just not very useful 
to us today.



And so it goes in this engaging but uneven exhibition, titled "Big. Bold. 
Visionary. Chicago Architects Consider the Next Century" and curated by Chicago 
architect Edward Keegan. On view at Chicago's Tourism Center Gallery, the show 
gives local architects a chance to make their voices heard during the 
centennial of Daniel Burnham and Edward Bennett's influential Plan of Chicago. 
Some of the architects, it would be charitable to say, took the opportunity 
more seriously than others.



Keegan has done a nice job organizing the material, which was donated by more 
than three dozen firms, into six categories: the lakefront, big plans, towers, 
catalysts, public spaces and transportation. His wall-text is commendably 
jargon-free. But the exhibit suffers from the presence of a blaring video 
featuring Mayor Richard Daley (what else would you expect at a city venue?) The 
video repeats endlessly and makes focusing on the material a challenge. And the 
stuff itself is all over the map.



In the "not worth your time" category are materials that architects seem to 
have pulled out of their file drawers and model shops, apparently more 
interested in marketing themselves than in thinking deeply about the future of 
the city and region. Other plans convey strong ideas -- you just wonder if 
they're the right ones.



Architect Stanley Tigerman would get rid of, or (to use his euphemism) 
de-accession, some low-density neighborhoods while pushing for higher-density 
living along Lake Michigan and the Chicago River and making way for urban 
farming. The architect, presumably, does not live in a neighborhood that would 
be de-accessioned. Far better are proposals that would plant seeds of 
rejuvenation in troubled neighborhoods. Architect Linda Searl (left) suggests 
placing temporary structures housing police annexes, convenience stores and 
day-care centers on vacant lots. She calls them BIGA (Burnham Ideas Generating 
Action) after the fermentation starter used in baking bread.



Som_chicago_riverwalk3 Such modest interventions make sense and not only 
because they would address a weakness of the published Burnham Plan (as opposed 
to drafts, which were more attentive to the city's neighborhoods).



One of the reasons the Chicago Plan is celebrated today is that it was carried 
out piecemeal. We should be grateful that Chicago did not get everything 
Burnham and Bennett wanted, most notably a gargantuan, domed city hall that 
anticipated Albert Speer's megalomaniacal visions for Hitler's Berlin.



Plans that accept the framework of the existing city, but transform it, are 
often preferable to sexy, attention-getting drawings that suggest wholesale 
change.



Such intelligent incrementalism is evident in a downtown riverwalk plan by Phil 
Enquist of Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, which would stretch the handsome 
riverwalk that opened this summer from State Street to a big waterfront public 
space at Lake Street (above).



Smart additive architecture is also on display in a design floated by Keith 
Campbell of the Chicago office of RTKL for a new pier at 18th Street that would 
serve as a bookend to Navy Pier (left). Unlike Navy Pier, however, this pier, 
containing marinas and a farmers market, would be part of the real city, not a 
tourist trap.



Nonetheless, big plans are irresistible to Chicagoans, and the show offers some 

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech

[Martin Baxter]

Mr Worf, in a remotely sane Cosmos, last night would've closed the deal. 
Unfortunately, I've seen ample evidence to prove that the sheeple are far less 
edumacated than in previous years.

And I posted earlier that, in lieu of not being able to reach Rep Wilson via 
his page (according to MSNBC, his *supporters* crashed the site to give him 
cyber high-fives), I was going to reach out to his fellow congressmen in SC to 
pass the Bad Word to him. Normally, congressional and senatorial contact pages 
allow anyone to touch base with any Congressperson (last month, I zapped one to 
Max Baucus, and I've traded a few with Senator Nelson of Florida). Today, 
they've all been reformatted, allowing only for people in their state to use 
them. Closing ranks as they hide...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:41:53 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar   
During Speech















 





  The problem is that most people haven't read the bill 
including most of congress. Its huge and would take several days to read it, so 
if you're in opposition you can use the public's ignorance of it to your own 
advantage. The ones beating the drum of "anti-Obamaism" can get away with 
saying anything at this point. Hopefully sooner than later they will do 
something so outrageous that it will turn many of their own party away from the 
madness. This incident came close. 



On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:22 AM, daikaiju66  wrote:

According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or 
making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case 
he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end.




--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

>

> (standing ovation)

>

> And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill 
> clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in 
> any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still 
> lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line 
> the minute I'm done here.


>

> And I'll throw in "You might want to read the bill.)

>

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

>

>

>

>

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: keithbjohn...@...

> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 +

> Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During 
> Speech

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Folks,

>

> I don't usually get into the "write this person or call that one" thing, but 
> you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the 
> Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a 
> racist. He's been labeled Nazi, "Christian" ministers are praying for his 
> death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to 
> listen to him give a fairly safe, canned "Stay in school and study hard 
> speech".  (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today 
> burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran).


>

> Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can 
> remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys 
> standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something 
> that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given 
> him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as 
> many death threats as is "normal" for a President. And of course, the health 
> care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, 
> with charges of "death panels", socialism, government takeovers, etc., 
> running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been 
> maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the 
> garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay 
> above the stench of  it all.


>

> But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina 
> representative Joe Wilson clearly yells "you lie!" at the President's 
> assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care plan.


>

> View the video and see the picture of him here:  
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html


>

> My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being 
> discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right 
> become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on 
> t

[scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[ravenadal]

Wow!  I just had one of those deja vu moments like when you fly over your house 
to see if you're home and you are!  I was about to chime in on this thread and 
I open it up to see that I already did - two months ago!

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for years.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of ravenadal
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
> 
> Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium!  A friend of mine hipped me to it and,
> frankly, I was blown away.  I have subsequently opened the eyes of several
> other peeps and the reaction has been universally good.  At core, I love the
> movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how good
> writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget.  The opening
> scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and sound
> effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal
> filmmaking.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of fighting
> is
> > a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in another
> > movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well because
> it
> > came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian Bale
> and
> > Ty Diggs in it.
> > 
> > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus
> > wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy?  i did not think
> that
> > > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button.  just
> > > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining.  enough so 2 make
> me
> > > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version.
> > >
> > > Fate.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa
> hoo! Groups Links
>

[scifinoir2] Graphic novel: A.D.: New Orleans After the Deluge

[ravenadal]

http://quugaix.notlong.com

BOOK REVIEW

'A.D.: New Orleans After the Deluge' by Josh Neufeld
A graphic novel captures the storm and its aftermath.

By John Reed

August 23, 2009

A.D.

New Orleans After the Deluge

Josh Neufeld

Pantheon: 198 pp., $24.95

In 2007, Smith Magazine serialized a comics treatment of Hurricane Katrina and 
its aftermath. That work, "A.D.: New Orleans After the Deluge," tracked the 
lives of seven New Orleans residents as they fled, remained and struggled to 
survive and recover not just their things but their lives. Its creator, Josh 
Neufeld, is best known for his collaborations with Harvey Pekar, whose scripts, 
highly detailed and paneled, come to life in the renderings of illustrators 
casually assigned.

Neufeld's style is in no way haphazard. His drawings are reminiscent less of 
the superhero than of the Sunday comics page. That doesn't mean they are 
youthful or naive. With simple lines -- deft and evocative -- Neufeld 
communicates complex human emotions. Two- and three-color palettes render the 
passing days with sober integrity.

As the pages progress, "A.D." highlights details that are surprising and vivid. 
As one character, Abbas, slips into denial about the disaster, his decision to 
remain behind at his convenience store -- with guns and supplies -- becomes 
indicative of the American dream. Abbas is not stupid; he is hardworking and 
fearless, and Neufeld casts him with charm and bravado. Denise, who curses the 
storm as a "bitch," and the blasé Doctor Brobson, toasting Katrina with a party 
in the French Quarter, also help humanize a catastrophe that outsizes ordinary 
understanding. The account of Kwame, shipping off to Ohio for his senior year 
in high school, simultaneously relates the human ability to adapt and overcome, 
and the terrible loss of leaving everything behind.

In places, Neufeld's scripting can be overdetermined. Outside of locations, 
dates and times, his narrative is conveyed entirely through dialogue, a 
decision that leads to clunky inclusions of back story. Mechanical moments of 
foreshadowing also trouble early pages. "Should I move some of this stuff in 
case we get flooding?" asks one subject, Leo, who also contributes the fateful: 
"Well, we still need to hope the levees hold."

And yet, at its finest, "A.D." sketches the incomprehensible: the storm that 
covers the city like a palm covering a dime; the buzzing of mosquitoes, septic 
and insouciant, in the fetid night; the overwhelming memories that leave a 
survivor bug-eyed and drowning. It is the people's history of Katrina; their 
experience of the hurricane, the flood and the government. Neufeld is sensitive 
to the failure of local and federal authorities as well as to the dangers of 
gangs and thugs in a blackout of law. But he remains objective -- reporting 
rather than pointing fingers at either the thugs that were there or specific 
politicians and agencies that fell woefully short.

The "novel graphic" or "graphic novel" is, in its own way, a return to the book 
before the printing press -- the illuminated manuscripts, scribes and artists 
working in tandem. "A.D." is a work in that tradition: of literature, of high 
art, and of reverence for nature and humanity.

Reed is books editor of the Brooklyn Rail.

Copyright © 2009, The Los Angeles Times

[scifinoir2] Supernatural has evolved beyond angels and demons

[ravenadal]

http://aveingoh.notlong.com

chicagotribune.com

The Watcher: 'Supernatural' has evolved beyond angels and demons

Maureen Ryan

TV critic

September 10, 2009

The first half of "Supernatural's" debut season gave few indications of what 
the show would become.

Back in 2005, as is the case now, there were monsters, ghouls and demons on the 
prowl. Two brothers, Sam and Dean Winchester (Jared Padalecki and Jensen 
Ackles), would go from city to city in their 1967 Impala and hunt these 
otherworldly critters down, frequently quipping along the way.

But creator Eric Kripke is well aware that "Supernatural," which returns for 
its fifth season at 8 p.m. Thursday on WGN-Ch. 9, has evolved far beyond the 
idea he pitched several years ago.

Season 5 depicts the brothers trying to stop the apocalypse, dealing with the 
arrival of Lucifer (Mark Pellegrino) and other significant events. Yet the 
focus of this solid, compelling and funny (yes, funny!) show remains admirably 
clear: "Supernatural" is less about monsters and more about familial bonds and 
how they somehow survive self-doubt and radical tests of loyalty.

When the show began, Sam and Dean were merely "an engine to get us in and out 
of different horror movies every week," Kripke said in an interview at San 
Diego Comic-Con in July.

Then Kripke had an epiphany: Padalecki and Ackles' subtle skills and palpable 
chemistry could anchor a much more emotionally compelling story about two young 
men who lost their parents and sometimes come close to losing faith in 
themselves and each other.

"To me, the story is about, 'Can the strength of family overcome destiny and 
fate, and can family save the world?' " Kripke said. "[My worldview] is that 
the only thing that matters is family and personal connection; that's the only 
thing that gives life meaning."

The show's fourth season upped the stakes in several ways: When he thought his 
brother was dead, Sam became addicted to demon blood and experimented with 
dangerous powers. Dean, who'd been sent to hell to fulfill a contract, was 
pulled out by an angel, but only after going through terrifying experiences, 
some of which left him guilt-ridden.

Kripke said the show had always planned to bring in ever more powerful demons, 
including Lucifer, but he hadn't thought about adding angels until Season 3 was 
over.

"We [always] wanted this 'Lord of the Rings' scope, but we could never have it 
because we couldn't afford these massive battles," Kripke said. "But ... now 
you can have these two massive armies of demons and angels -- they can mesh and 
clash in a way that's really satisfying, and [you can have the giant clashes] 
just off-camera.

"We slap our forehead against our hands, and say, 'Why didn't we think of it 
sooner?' " he said. "Look at 'Star Wars' for a moment. You have this massive 
empire, and you have this massive rebellion. But the story is about one farm 
boy, a princess and a pirate."

To read the transcript of the full interview with Kripke, go to bit.ly/xrP8d.

Copyright © 2009, Chicago Tribune

[scifinoir2] Chicago's future: from "Blade Runner" to "George Jetson"

[ravenadal]

Visions of Chicago's future, from 'Blade Runner' to George Jetson; an engaging 
but uneven exhibit marks the Burnham Plan centennial

http://huedoo.notlong.com

September 10, 2009

There's more chaff than wheat in a new exhibit about the future of Chicago, but 
I still recommend that you see it, if only for the sheer fun (or dread) of 
contemplating some truly out-of-the-box visions of the future.

My favorite in the sunny, George Jetson genre of future-casting comes from 
architects Brad Lynch and David Brininstool (below). They envision public 
vehicles powered by an umbrella of magnetic energy that would float over the 
city, freeing CTA land for green space. Sounds like a full-employment act for 
air-traffic controllers.

As for the dark, "Blade Runner" take on tomorrow, the prize goes to architect 
Joe Valerio (above). He gives us 22nd Century downtown Chicago, most of it 
covered in a transparent blanket that resembles a giant piece of Glad Wrap. 
Heat trapped under the skin would be exhausted through massive solar towers. 
This would make a great stage set for a sci-fi flick. It's just not very useful 
to us today.

And so it goes in this engaging but uneven exhibition, titled "Big. Bold. 
Visionary. Chicago Architects Consider the Next Century" and curated by Chicago 
architect Edward Keegan. On view at Chicago's Tourism Center Gallery, the show 
gives local architects a chance to make their voices heard during the 
centennial of Daniel Burnham and Edward Bennett's influential Plan of Chicago. 
Some of the architects, it would be charitable to say, took the opportunity 
more seriously than others.

Keegan has done a nice job organizing the material, which was donated by more 
than three dozen firms, into six categories: the lakefront, big plans, towers, 
catalysts, public spaces and transportation. His wall-text is commendably 
jargon-free. But the exhibit suffers from the presence of a blaring video 
featuring Mayor Richard Daley (what else would you expect at a city venue?) The 
video repeats endlessly and makes focusing on the material a challenge. And the 
stuff itself is all over the map.

In the "not worth your time" category are materials that architects seem to 
have pulled out of their file drawers and model shops, apparently more 
interested in marketing themselves than in thinking deeply about the future of 
the city and region. Other plans convey strong ideas -- you just wonder if 
they're the right ones.

Architect Stanley Tigerman would get rid of, or (to use his euphemism) 
de-accession, some low-density neighborhoods while pushing for higher-density 
living along Lake Michigan and the Chicago River and making way for urban 
farming. The architect, presumably, does not live in a neighborhood that would 
be de-accessioned. Far better are proposals that would plant seeds of 
rejuvenation in troubled neighborhoods. Architect Linda Searl (left) suggests 
placing temporary structures housing police annexes, convenience stores and 
day-care centers on vacant lots. She calls them BIGA (Burnham Ideas Generating 
Action) after the fermentation starter used in baking bread.

Som_chicago_riverwalk3 Such modest interventions make sense and not only 
because they would address a weakness of the published Burnham Plan (as opposed 
to drafts, which were more attentive to the city's neighborhoods).

One of the reasons the Chicago Plan is celebrated today is that it was carried 
out piecemeal. We should be grateful that Chicago did not get everything 
Burnham and Bennett wanted, most notably a gargantuan, domed city hall that 
anticipated Albert Speer's megalomaniacal visions for Hitler's Berlin.

Plans that accept the framework of the existing city, but transform it, are 
often preferable to sexy, attention-getting drawings that suggest wholesale 
change.

Such intelligent incrementalism is evident in a downtown riverwalk plan by Phil 
Enquist of Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, which would stretch the handsome 
riverwalk that opened this summer from State Street to a big waterfront public 
space at Lake Street (above).

Smart additive architecture is also on display in a design floated by Keith 
Campbell of the Chicago office of RTKL for a new pier at 18th Street that would 
serve as a bookend to Navy Pier (left). Unlike Navy Pier, however, this pier, 
containing marinas and a farmers market, would be part of the real city, not a 
tourist trap.

Nonetheless, big plans are irresistible to Chicagoans, and the show offers some 
compelling ones. Robert Benson of 4240 Architecture would replace the elevated 
tracks with a transit system consisting of green structural supports, equipped 
with wind turbines, that would extend like croquet wickets throughout the city 
(below) The trains would be nearly silent, but the system would send a loud 
message, making its green design visible, the wall text says, "in order to move 
the souls of the general public through beauty."

That's a capital idea, which fulfills B

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[Mr. Worf]

What is not to love. Scifi/1984/Farenheit 451 world, guns, kung fu, Gun fu,
Christian Bael, Omar Epps, swords. Nuff said. :)

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Augustus Augustus
wrote:

>
>
>
> Tracey, i love the "what he said" - that was kool!if Keith does not
> watch it, tell him 2 email me, i will help u work on him.  it is a really
> good flick.
>
> Fate.
>
> --- On *Thu, 9/10/09, Tracey de Morsella <
> tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Tracey de Morsella 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 12:17 PM
>
>
>
> What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for years.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: scifino...@yahoogro 
> ups.com[mailto:scifino...@yahoogro
> ups.com ] On
> Behalf Of ravenadal
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM
> To: scifino...@yahoogro 
> ups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
>
> Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium! A friend of mine hipped me to it and,
> frankly, I was blown away. I have subsequently opened the eyes of several
> other peeps and the reaction has been universally good. At core, I love the
> movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how good
> writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget. The opening
> scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and sound
> effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal
> filmmaking.
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifino...@yahoogro 
> ups.com,
> "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of fighting
> is
> > a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in another
> > movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well because
> it
> > came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian Bale
> and
> > Ty Diggs in it.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy? i did not think
> that
> > > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button. just
> > > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining. enough so 2 make
> me
> > > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version.
> > >
> > > Fate.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> > Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_
> of_darkness/
> >
>
>  - - --
>
> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add?
> fmvn=mapYa
> hoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
> 




-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it

[Mr. Worf]

What is the deal with the "regents?"

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:18 AM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Thank you. It just struck me, the second time I watched the pilot, wondered
> why she, with that gift, wasn't out in the field.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:35:25 +
>
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it
>
>
> Dude, what a thought! Good supposition!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:16:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it
>
>Mr Worf, my personal thought regarding the sister -- she's a Living
> Artifact. Wait for it to happen.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:13:41 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it
>
>I like the show, but some of the things that keep happening over and
> over again bugs me. Like Pete being generally stupid when it comes to how he
> deals with the artifacts he comes in contact with. I do love the artifacts
> though.  Great creativity there. There are hundreds of Stephen King books
> that are waiting to be written around some of these artifacts! :)
>
> The Regents are interesting. There are a few plot elements that they still
> haven't explained yet, and the regents are one. The sista at the boarding
> house is another.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> And this week's was fun too. I was afraid at first there was a clip show
> coming, when Artie was interrogated about his performance, but fortunately I
> was wrong. Liking the cast, and still liking the balance struck between
> humour and drama. Tonight's show, for example, had me seriously rolling when
> the killer dodgeballs attacked Micah and Pete. Funniest thing since the
> Studio 54 disco ball! But later, the really dangerous artifact room, filled
> with some of that artifact-neutralizing goo, and shot through with that
> ghoulish purple color, was actually a bit scary. Then the show reminded more
> of the "Friday the 13th"series, which was often very creepy. (especially
> since it aired at 11 pm here in the Atl, and I used to lay in bed in the
> dark watching it). One realizes that Warehouse 13 could actually go in three
> directions: more straight drama/detective work (a la some eps of The
> X-Files), more humourous (a la "Eureka"), or more supernatural and creepy
> like "Friday the 13th". The writers are doing a good job with the balance,
> and I'm liking the humorous bits: the Star Trek references. Tonight, Pete
> goes "Hey! Hey! Hey!", just like Dwayne from "What's Happening", and I'm
> back rolling again!
>
> That gives them lots of plot possibilities, lots of artifacts to create,
> from the mundane to the extraordinary.
> It's been picked up for a second season.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Keith Johnson" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:27:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it
>
> Okay, really liked this week's show. A good mix of danger (the evil Mirror
> Myka), humour (the Studio 54 disco ball as a dangerous magic artifact
> playing "I Will Survive" had me in stitches!), and cool artifacts (Lewis
> Carroll's mirror).
>
> No longer tepid, the show gets better with every ep. The characters are
> more assured than I expected. the plots are actually interesting and
> entertaining, and they're striking a good balance of danger and fun, drama
> and humour, science and fancy.  I like that some of what they use or
> retrieve borders on magical, while some of the stuff is super science.The
> cast is all interesting, from Pete's standard devil-may-care angle, to
> Myka's cautious suspicious agent, to Artie's quirky, often grumpy role as
> the leader. I even like the young girl who's joined the cast. Her comic line
> "Warehouse 13--The Next Generation", accompanied by the Vulcan salute, was
> hilarious.
>
> Like "Eureka", and non-scifi shows like "Leverage" and "Burn Notice", it's
> entertaining, has engaging characters, stories that are a nice mix of drama
> and humour, and goes down easily. It seems the SyFy, as well as other cable
> channels, is getting this formula of breezy-and-serious shows down pat.  Now
> all we need is the return of some series with a little more dramatic weight
> in the mix, and we'll have the formula f

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?

[Mr. Worf]

Wow that is a major career change! That is interesting. I always thought
that there was something odd about his brother's speech pattern. Every now
and then you can hear the Auzzie accent.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Forgot that that was a "staple" as well. Think that they ran a block of it
> last month. I always thought of it as "right-wing SF", because the themes of
> God and Country always rang through. And a nit of trivia -- Jonathon
> LaPaglia, the lead, was an ER surgeon in London's East End just before he
> took the role. In one ep, he's seen doing surgeon's hand exercises.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:28:50 +
>
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?
>
>
>
> I'll do you one better: "Seven Days". During my long period of recent
> unemployment, I had a lot of occasion to watch SciFi, either at home while
> doing chores, or at my old gym, which had television screens on all the
> treadmills. And for a long, long time, "Seven Days" was being aired
> religiously. I think it was on at 3 or 4 pm EST, just before "Voyager" or
> "Enterprise". Now that is a scifi show I never got. The premise was crappy,
> I could never understand if the joystick-controlled timeship was supposed to
> be a joke or not, the casting was just bland, and the stories incredibly
> derivative. I can't remember one ep that was enjoyable, not even the scifi
> standard of going to an evil "mirror" universe. Hence, I don't think I
> watched more than three or four eps of the whole thing from beginning to
> end. But, like "The Sentinel", there it was, day after day, polluting the
> airwaves
>
> But even *that* is better than the ghost hunting show!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:04:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?
>
>Angela, my first indicator that something was rotten in the state of
> Denmark was "The Sentinel" or, as I liked to call it, The Manager's Choice".
> For a period of about three years, then-Skiffy altered its morning sched
> almost religiously, shows coming and going with dizzying speed, but "The
> Sentinel" never moved from its timeslot (M-F @ 10:00 am, Sat @ 1:00 pm). I
> figured that someone high up the food chain there must've loved that show
> something fierce (or Richard Burgi), because, at the time, no one I knew
> cared a whit for the show.
>
> The point of that ramble? Maybe they *are* their own core viewers.
>
> Martin (listening to Thin Lizzy's "Cold Sweat", which may have fueled that
> last)
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: asrobin...@mindspring.com
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:42:19 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?
>
>After having no cable since 1992, missing shows like Farscape, Earthsea
> (gagg), etc., and running out of space for Stargate DVD's, I finally let
> them attach a dish to my 100-year-old house SOLELY because of the SciFi
> channel.
>
> I wonder if they really know who their core viewers are.
>
> Angela
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Keith, I get the feeling that CN made the mistake of looking at the
> "success" that Siffy's had with the ratings on their reality programming and
> opted to follow suit, without bothering to look at the complaints. Also,
> there might be the money factor at play. In this depressed economy, they may
> be looking for cheap programming.
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > From: keithbjohn...@...
> > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 03:46:55 +
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > And now even Cartoon Network is doing "reality" shows! WTF?
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 1:02:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I thing they are preserving the audience they want. The people who like
> >
> > those silly reality shows

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech

[Mr. Worf]

The problem is that most people haven't read the bill including most of
congress. Its huge and would take several days to read it, so if you're in
opposition you can use the public's ignorance of it to your own advantage.
The ones beating the drum of "anti-Obamaism" can get away with saying
anything at this point. Hopefully sooner than later they will do something
so outrageous that it will turn many of their own party away from the
madness. This incident came close.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:22 AM, daikaiju66  wrote:

> According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting
> or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the
> case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > (standing ovation)
> >
> > And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill
> clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in
> any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still
> lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a
> line the minute I'm done here.
> >
> > And I'll throw in "You might want to read the bill.)
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > From: keithbjohn...@...
> > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 +
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During
> Speech
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > I don't usually get into the "write this person or call that one" thing,
> but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened
> to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr.
> Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, "Christian" ministers are praying
> for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the
> option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned "Stay in school and study
> hard speech".  (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today
> burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran).
> >
> > Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can
> remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys
> standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something
> that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given
> him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as
> many death threats as is "normal" for a President. And of course, the health
> care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him,
> with charges of "death panels", socialism, government takeovers, etc.,
> running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been
> maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the
> garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay
> above the stench of  it all.
> >
> > But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina
> representative Joe Wilson clearly yells "you lie!" at the President's
> assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care
> plan.
> >
> > View the video and see the picture of him here:
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html
> >
> > My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies
> being discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the
> Right become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on
> television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world shows
> disrespect for our duly elected leader, a man trying to do something to help
> the dispossessed? Is the office so contemptible now that you don't even
> respect it, if not the man? I've seen some things during Obama's rise, but
> this is going too far. In one statement, Wilson has crystalized and
> symbolized all the ignorance, hatred, disrespect, danger, foolishness, and
> intolerance that has characterized this debate. This, then, is the fruition
> and completion of Palin, still talking death panels today. This is the
> result of Glen Beck's charges of racism and witch hunts against good men.
> >
> > This then, is the depth to which some in America have fallen, and it has
> got to stop. This is no longer irritating, it's dangerous. In an environment
> where people wear sidearms around the President and feel empowered to call
> him a liar to his face, something is very, very wrong--and we have to take a
> step to stop it.
> >
> > I'm taking a small step tonight. I am trying to e-mail and call Joe
> Wilson to express my disgust and displeasure at what he's done. I say
> "trying" because

[scifinoir2] OT: Wilson Is the Poster "Child" for the New Republican Party

[Martin Baxter]

And never, in thirty-odd years of writing, have I seen more appropriate use of 
quote marks...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/wilson-is-the-poster-chil_b_281918.html

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik



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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech

[Martin Baxter]

Wouldn't surprise me at all. Today, John Boehner (whom I *so* want to call 
"Bonehead") stepped up to a mike and said that, even though Wilson's conduct 
was unbecoming, his statement was factually true, flying in the face of the 
fact that it was a lie. I've noticed that the GOP is pretty good about lining 
up on its talking/slandering points. Maybe they've made a collective decision 
to tank their party, through Continuous Mass Stupidity.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:22:03 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During 
Speech















 





  According to some sources he made some veiled statements 
about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. 
If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

> 

> (standing ovation)

> 

> And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill 
> clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in 
> any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still 
> lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line 
> the minute I'm done here.

> 

> And I'll throw in "You might want to read the bill.)

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> 

> 

> 

> 

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: keithbjohn...@...

> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 +

> Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During 
> Speech

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>  

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>   

> Folks,

> 

> I don't usually get into the "write this person or call that one" thing, but 
> you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the 
> Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a 
> racist. He's been labeled Nazi, "Christian" ministers are praying for his 
> death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to 
> listen to him give a fairly safe, canned "Stay in school and study hard 
> speech".  (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today 
> burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). 

> 

> Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can 
> remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys 
> standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something 
> that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given 
> him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as 
> many death threats as is "normal" for a President. And of course, the health 
> care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, 
> with charges of "death panels", socialism, government takeovers, etc., 
> running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been 
> maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the 
> garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay 
> above the stench of  it all.

> 

> But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina 
> representative Joe Wilson clearly yells "you lie!" at the President's 
> assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care 
> plan. 

> 

> View the video and see the picture of him here:  
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html

> 

> My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being 
> discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right 
> become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on 
> television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world shows disrespect 
> for our duly elected leader, a man trying to do something to help the 
> dispossessed? Is the office so contemptible now that you don't even respect 
> it, if not the man? I've seen some things during Obama's rise, but this is 
> going too far. In one statement, Wilson has crystalized and symbolized all 
> the ignorance, hatred, disrespect, danger, foolishness, and intolerance that 
> has characterized this debate. This, then, is the fruition and completion of 
> Palin, still talking death panels today. This is the result of Glen Beck's 
> charges of racism and witch hunts against good men. 

> 

> This then, is the depth to which some in America have fallen, and it has got 
> to stop. This is no longer irritating, it's dangerous.

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech

[Martin Baxter]

Daryle, you got through? I tried, every ten minutes, frrom the minute I read 
this this morn (about 7) until I ahd to walk out the door at 12, and ever since 
I came back in at 2:30. His House page is *claiming* "heavy traffic". I suspect 
that the boy is just hiding from the multiple cyber-canings he's due. I'm about 
to try the Representatives in his neighboring districts, telling them to hound 
him.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: dar...@darylelockhart.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:21:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar 
During Speech















 





  
Done.

Rob Miller, the man running against  him for Congress in the 2nd  district in 
South Carolina in the 2010 race raised $100,000 in 8 hours after the address. 
Mid 20th Century  antics.  21st Century response.

On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:22 AM, daikaiju66 wrote:According to some sources 
he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the 
President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. 
This stuff definitely needs to end.
 
 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
 >
 > 
 > (standing ovation)
 > 
 > And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill 
 > clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in 
 > any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still 
 > lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a 
 > line the minute I'm done here.
 > 
 > And I'll throw in "You might want to read the bill.)
 > 
 > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
 > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
 > 
 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 > From: keithbjohn...@...
 > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 +
 > Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During 
 > Speech
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 >  
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 >   
 > Folks,
 > 
 > I don't usually get into the "write this person or call that one" thing, but 
 > you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to 
 > the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a 
 > racist. He's been labeled Nazi, "Christian" ministers are praying for his 
 > death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to 
 > listen to him give a fairly safe, canned "Stay in school and study hard 
 > speech".  (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today 
 > burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). 
 > 
 > Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can 
 > remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys 
 > standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something 
 > that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given 
 > him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as 
 > many death threats as is "normal" for a President. And of course, the health 
 > care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, 
 > with charges of "death panels", socialism, government takeovers, etc., 
 > running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been 
 > maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the 
 > garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay 
 > above the stench of  it all.
 > 
 > But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina 
 > representative Joe Wilson clearly yells "you lie!" at the President's 
 > assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care 
 > plan. 
 > 
 > View the video and see the picture of him here:  
 > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html
 > 
 > My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being 
 > discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right 
 > become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on 
 > television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world shows 
 > disrespect for our duly elected leader, a man trying to do something to help 
 > the dispossessed? Is the office so contemptible now that you don't even 
 > respect it, if not the man? I've seen some things during Obama's rise, but 
 > this is going too far. In one statement, Wilson has crystalized and 
 > symbolized all the ignorance, hatred, disrespect, danger, foolishness, and 
 > intolerance that has characterized this debate. This, then, is the fruition 
 > and comple

Hey Keith - Augustus Has Something to Tell you!!!RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[Tracey de Morsella]

grin

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Augustus Augustus
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:52 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

 







   
Tracey, i love the "what he said" - that was kool!if Keith does not
watch it, tell him 2 email me, i will help u work on him.  it is a really
good flick.  

Fate.

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Tracey de Morsella 
wrote:


From: Tracey de Morsella 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 12:17 PM

  

What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for years.

-Original Message-
From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On
Behalf Of ravenadal
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium! A friend of mine hipped me to it and,
frankly, I was blown away. I have subsequently opened the eyes of several
other peeps and the reaction has been universally good. At core, I love the
movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how good
writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget. The opening
scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and sound
effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal
filmmaking.

~rave!

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of fighting
is
> a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in another
> movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well because
it
> came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian Bale
and
> Ty Diggs in it.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy? i did not think
that
> > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button. just
> > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining. enough so 2 make
me
> > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version.
> >
> > Fate.
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_

of_darkness/
>

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[scifinoir2] Another Question

[Augustus Augustus]

I am trying 2 catch up on True Blood and I am up to episode 5 / season 2.  of 
all the people 2 see in this ep, why do i see Nathan Stark (Ed Quinn) from 
Eureka!  also, did any one see the movie 'The Express?'  the movie about Ernie 
Banks.  his brother in the movie is the same guy who plays Lafayette Reynolds 
(Nelsan Ellis), whom from all of my research, is very straight.  He was an 
athlete in high school and did not even think about being an actor.  teacher 
talked him into a role in a play in high school and he ended up at Juilliard.  
talk about taking advantage of an opportunity.

Fate.



  

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[Augustus Augustus]

Tracey, i love the "what he said" - that was kool!    if Keith does not watch 
it, tell him 2 email me, i will help u work on him.  it is a really good 
flick.  

Fate.

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Tracey de Morsella  
wrote:

From: Tracey de Morsella 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 12:17 PM






 





  What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for 
years.



-Original Message-

From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On

Behalf Of ravenadal

Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)



Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium!  A friend of mine hipped me to it and,

frankly, I was blown away.  I have subsequently opened the eyes of several

other peeps and the reaction has been universally good.  At core, I love the

movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how good

writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget.  The opening

scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and sound

effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal

filmmaking.



~rave!



--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

>

> I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of fighting

is

> a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in another

> movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well because

it

> came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian Bale

and

> Ty Diggs in it.

> 

> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus

> wrote:

> 

> >

> >

> > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy?  i did not think

that

> > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button.  just

> > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining.  enough so 2 make

me

> > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version.

> >

> > Fate.

> >

> >

> >

> > 

> >

> 

> 

> 

> -- 

> Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!

> Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/

>



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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

[Tracey de Morsella]

What he said!! I've been trying to get Keith to watch it for years.

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ravenadal
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Equilibrium (was: Question)

Love, love, LOVE Equilibrium!  A friend of mine hipped me to it and,
frankly, I was blown away.  I have subsequently opened the eyes of several
other peeps and the reaction has been universally good.  At core, I love the
movie for the same reason I love the first "Saw" movie: it shows how good
writing and smart execution can overcome a meager budget.  The opening
scene, which is basically just silence, voices, flashes of light and sound
effects over a completely dark screen, exhibits the genius of minimal
filmmaking.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I saw it on dvd a while back and loved it! The gunkata style of fighting
is
> a cool and interesting concept. I would love to see it again in another
> movie. I also loved the look. I think the movie didn't do so well because
it
> came out in the theaters just after the Matrix. Even with Christian Bale
and
> Ty Diggs in it.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Augustus Augustus
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > did anyone other than me watch Equilibrium on spiffy?  i did not think
that
> > i would like it, but nothing else was on so i hit the dvr button.  just
> > finished it, and must say, it was pretty entertaining.  enough so 2 make
me
> > want 2 get the dvd so i can se the unedited version.
> >
> > Fate.
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>






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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Life and Times of Martha Washington in 21st Century

[George Arterberry]

I'm getting this.

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, daikaiju66  wrote:


From: daikaiju66 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Life and Times of Martha Washington in 21st 
Century
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 9:46 AM


  



It's my birthday present to myself. It will go right next to Absolute Watchmen 
on my bookshelf after I read it five or six times.

I love the original series but my favorite is the short story where a young 
Martha is sent out to retrieve their version of Captain America dead or alive. 
Those few pages captured what made Cap so great and iconic and did the same for 
Martha. When Miller was on he great.

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> As a Poor Black Man, I can't even afford to *touch* the trigger...
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> From: ravena...@.. .
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:47:25 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Life and Times of Martha Washington in 21st 
> Century
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This thing is 600 pages long and lists for nearly one hundred bucks ($99.95)! 
> It is currently available for $62.97 on Amazon.com (you can save 37%). Lordy! 
> And, yet, I think I'm gonna pull da trigger!
> 
> 
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "ravenadal"  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > http://lamico. notlong.com
> 
> > 
> 
> > The Life and Times of Martha Washington in the Twenty-First Century HC
> 
> > 
> 
> > Frank Miller (W) and Dave Gibbons (A)
> 
> > 
> 
> > A masterpiece nearly twenty years in the making, this archival, oversized, 
> > and slipcased hardcover volume contains the complete life story of Martha 
> > Washington, the twenty-first century freedom fighter created by comic-book 
> > megastars Frank Miller (Sin City, 300) and Dave Gibbons (Watchmen). Our 
> > story begins in the squalid corridors of a maximum-security housing 
> > project, where a young girl will rise from the war-torn streets of Chicago 
> > to battle injustice in a world insane with corruption. She will be called a 
> > hero, a traitor, and nearly everything in between, but all along the way, 
> > her courage, her integrity, and her unwavering commitment to that most 
> > valuable of rights-liberty- will inspire a movement that will never 
> > surrender.
> 
> > Collecting meticulously remastered versions of every Martha Washington 
> > story, and features a comprehensive behind-the-scenes section, a new 
> > introduction by Frank Miller and extensive commentary by Dave Gibbons.
> 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  _ _ _ _ _ _
> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos.
> http://www.windowsl ive.com/Desktop/ PhotoGallery
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech

[Daryle Lockhart]

Done.

Rob Miller, the man running against  him for Congress in the 2nd   
district in South Carolina in the 2010 race raised $100,000 in 8  
hours after the address.


Mid 20th Century  antics.  21st Century response.


On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:22 AM, daikaiju66 wrote:

According to some sources he made some veiled statements about  
disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor  
Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff  
definitely needs to end.


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  
 wrote:

>
>
> (standing ovation)
>
> And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of  
the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered  
under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY  
because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he  
was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done  
here.

>
> And I'll throw in "You might want to read the bill.)
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players,  
who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@...
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar  
During Speech

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Folks,
>
> I don't usually get into the "write this person or call that one"  
thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months-- 
we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and  
even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi,  
"Christian" ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost  
their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him  
give a fairly safe, canned "Stay in school and study hard speech".  
(Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today  
burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran).

>
> Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i  
can remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type.  
We've had guys standing outside buildings where he's located,  
wearing sidearms, something that chills me to my bones. Small  
wonder that the Secret Service has given him more protection than  
any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death threats  
as is "normal" for a President. And of course, the health care  
debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding  
him, with charges of "death panels", socialism, government  
takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been  
infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to stay the  
course, to wade and cut through the garbage of the Right as I try  
to search for the truth. I've tried to stay above the stench of it  
all.

>
> But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South  
Carolina representative Joe Wilson clearly yells "you lie!" at the  
President's assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered  
under his health care plan.

>
> View the video and see the picture of him here: http:// 
www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells- 
out_n_281480.html

>
> My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the  
policies being discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we  
come so far, has the Right become so emboldened, that it's okay to  
call the President a liar on television?? It's okay that an image  
beamed around the world shows disrespect for our duly elected  
leader, a man trying to do something to help the dispossessed? Is  
the office so contemptible now that you don't even respect it, if  
not the man? I've seen some things during Obama's rise, but this is  
going too far. In one statement, Wilson has crystalized and  
symbolized all the ignorance, hatred, disrespect, danger,  
foolishness, and intolerance that has characterized this debate.  
This, then, is the fruition and completion of Palin, still talking  
death panels today. This is the result of Glen Beck's charges of  
racism and witch hunts against good men.

>
> This then, is the depth to which some in America have fallen, and  
it has got to stop. This is no longer irritating, it's dangerous.  
In an environment where people wear sidearms around the President  
and feel empowered to call him a liar to his face, something is  
very, very wrong--and we have to take a step to stop it.

>
> I'm taking a small step tonight. I am trying to e-mail and call  
Joe Wilson to express my disgust and displeasure at what he's done.  
I say "trying" because all communication methods are currently  
busy. Phone lies busy, website, slow. But I provide the below links  
and ask you to do the same. And then, maybe we need to get John  
Boehner's contact info as well and let him know how disgusting this  
is.

>
> It's time to draw a line in the sand of this foolishness and  
hate. Let's start the line 

[scifinoir2] Re: The Life and Times of Martha Washington in 21st Century

[daikaiju66]

It's my birthday present to myself. It will go right next to Absolute Watchmen 
on my bookshelf after I read it five or six times.

I love the original series but my favorite is the short story where a young 
Martha is sent out to retrieve their version of Captain America dead or alive. 
Those few pages captured what made Cap so great and iconic and did the same for 
Martha. When Miller was on he great.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> As a Poor Black Man, I can't even afford to *touch* the trigger...
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: ravena...@...
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:47:25 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Life and Times of Martha Washington in 21st 
> Century
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   This thing is 600 pages long and lists for nearly one 
> hundred bucks ($99.95)!  It is currently available for $62.97 on Amazon.com 
> (you can save 37%).  Lordy!  And, yet, I think I'm gonna pull da trigger!
> 
> 
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal"  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > http://lamico.notlong.com
> 
> > 
> 
> > The Life and Times of Martha Washington in the Twenty-First Century HC
> 
> > 
> 
> > Frank Miller (W) and Dave Gibbons (A)
> 
> > 
> 
> > A masterpiece nearly twenty years in the making, this archival, oversized, 
> > and slipcased hardcover volume contains the complete life story of Martha 
> > Washington, the twenty-first century freedom fighter created by comic-book 
> > megastars Frank Miller (Sin City, 300) and Dave Gibbons (Watchmen). Our 
> > story begins in the squalid corridors of a maximum-security housing 
> > project, where a young girl will rise from the war-torn streets of Chicago 
> > to battle injustice in a world insane with corruption. She will be called a 
> > hero, a traitor, and nearly everything in between, but all along the way, 
> > her courage, her integrity, and her unwavering commitment to that most 
> > valuable of rights-liberty-will inspire a movement that will never 
> > surrender.
> 
> > Collecting meticulously remastered versions of every Martha Washington 
> > story, and features a comprehensive behind-the-scenes section, a new 
> > introduction by Frank Miller and extensive commentary by Dave Gibbons.
> 
> >
> 
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>   
> _
> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos.
> http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery
>

[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech

[daikaiju66]

According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or 
making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case 
he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> (standing ovation)
> 
> And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill 
> clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in 
> any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still 
> lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line 
> the minute I'm done here.
> 
> And I'll throw in "You might want to read the bill.)
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@...
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During 
> Speech
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> Folks,
> 
> I don't usually get into the "write this person or call that one" thing, but 
> you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the 
> Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a 
> racist. He's been labeled Nazi, "Christian" ministers are praying for his 
> death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to 
> listen to him give a fairly safe, canned "Stay in school and study hard 
> speech".  (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today 
> burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). 
> 
> Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can 
> remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys 
> standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something 
> that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given 
> him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as 
> many death threats as is "normal" for a President. And of course, the health 
> care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, 
> with charges of "death panels", socialism, government takeovers, etc., 
> running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been 
> maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the 
> garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay 
> above the stench of  it all.
> 
> But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina 
> representative Joe Wilson clearly yells "you lie!" at the President's 
> assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care 
> plan. 
> 
> View the video and see the picture of him here:  
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html
> 
> My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being 
> discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right 
> become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on 
> television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world shows disrespect 
> for our duly elected leader, a man trying to do something to help the 
> dispossessed? Is the office so contemptible now that you don't even respect 
> it, if not the man? I've seen some things during Obama's rise, but this is 
> going too far. In one statement, Wilson has crystalized and symbolized all 
> the ignorance, hatred, disrespect, danger, foolishness, and intolerance that 
> has characterized this debate. This, then, is the fruition and completion of 
> Palin, still talking death panels today. This is the result of Glen Beck's 
> charges of racism and witch hunts against good men. 
> 
> This then, is the depth to which some in America have fallen, and it has got 
> to stop. This is no longer irritating, it's dangerous. In an environment 
> where people wear sidearms around the President and feel empowered to call 
> him a liar to his face, something is very, very wrong--and we have to take a 
> step to stop it. 
> 
> I'm taking a small step tonight. I am trying to e-mail and call Joe Wilson to 
> express my disgust and displeasure at what he's done. I say "trying" because 
> all communication methods are currently busy. Phone lies busy, website, slow. 
> But I provide the below links and ask you to do the same. And then, maybe we 
> need to get John Boehner's contact info as well and let him know how 
> disgusting this is. 
> 
> It's time to draw a line in the sand of this foolishness and hate. Let's 
> start the line in S.C.  Contact info for Wilson is below:
> 
> Send an e-mail to him here:  http://www.house.gov/formwilson/IMA/issue.htm
> 
> Contact info (all numbers have been busy since I've tried

Re: [scifinoir2] Roger Ebert's Pick of Bad Movies

[Adrianne Brennan]

Fanboys ROCKED--my dad and I loved it! But like the movie Free Enterprise
was geared towards a pretty selective audience.
~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath


On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Wow, Ebert already put Sandra Bullock's movie on his worst of the worst
> list? Funny: he put both Transformers and G.I. Joe on his list. I must say,
> I haven't seen many of these flicks, and hadn't planned to see most of them.
> Although, many would argue that Transformers, Death Race, G.I. Joe, Night at
> the Museum, etc., are all mindless fun, if not high art
>
> http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/your-movie-sucks.html
>
> Gathered here in one convenient place are my recent reviews that awarded
> films Zero Stars, One-half Star, One Star, and One-and-a-half Stars. These
> are, generally speaking to be avoided. Sometimes I hear from readers who
> confess they are in the mood to watch a really bad movie. If you're sincere,
> be sure to know what you're getting: A *really* bad movie.
>
> *Sandra Bullock in "All About Steve" ** *
>
> Movies that are "so bad they're good" should generally get Two Stars. And
> Pauline Kael once wrote, "The movies are so rarely great art that if we
> cannot appreciate great trash, we shouldn't go at all." Great trash should
> ideally get 2.5 stars or even higher.
>
> Many of these reviews were written in the carefree spirit of those in my
> books *Your Movie Sucks* and *I Hated, Hated, Hated This Movie.* Cheap
> shots and snark are permitted. The phrase came about in an interesting way.
> When Patrick Goldstein of the Los Angeles Times was critical of Rob
> Schnieder's "Deuce Bigelow, European Gigolo," Schneider took out a full-page
> ads in the paper informing Goldstein was not qualified to review it--what
> prizes had he won? In my review, I wrote: "As chance would have it, I *
> have* won the Pulitzer Prize, and so I am qualified. Speaking in my
> official capacity as a Pulitzer Prize winner, Mr. Schneider, your movie
> sucks." Set and match.
>
> * All About 
> Steve.
> *(PG-13, 87 minutes ) Sandra Bullock plays Mary Horowitz, a crossword
> puzzle constructor who on a blind date falls insanely in love with Steve, a
> TV news cameraman (Bradley Cooper, from "The Hangover"). The operative word
> is "insanely." The movie is billed as a comedy but more resembles a
> perplexing public display of irrational behavior. Seeing her run around as a
> basket case makes you appreciate Lucille Ball, who could play a dizzy dame
> and make you like her. One and a half stars. View the 
> *trailer.
> *
>
> [image: 
> pease.jpg]
> * "The Mark Pease Experience"
> .
> * (Pg-13, 84 minutes). A cheerless, almost sullen experience, badly
> written and inertly directed, with actors who don't have a clue what drives
> their characters. The actors scarcely seem to be in the same scenes
> together. Involves a high school drama coach (Ben Stiller), his troubled
> former student (Jason Schwartzman), and the girl they both pursue (Anna
> Kendrick). Contains no chemistry at all. None. One star. No trailer found
> online.
>
> * "X Games 
> 3-D".
> * (PG, 92). A documentary about the extreme sports of skateboarding,
> motorcycle jumping and motocross, which a sports film strangely doesn't
> share the point scores with us and often doesn't show the same stunt in one
> unbroken shot. Yes, these athletes are awesomely skilled. Also masochists
> who play with broken bones because they want go "take the sport to a new
> level." Lots of falls that look like they really hurt. One and a half stars.
> View the *trailer . *
>
> [image: 
> bilde.jpg]
> * "G. I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra"
> .
> *(PG-13) An 118-minute largely animated film with sequences involving the
> faces and other body parts of human beings. It is sure to be enjoyed by
> those whose movie appreciation is defined by the ability to discern that
> moving pictures and sound are being employed to depict violence.
> Nevertheless, it is better than "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen." One
> and a half stars. View the 
> *trailer

RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech

[Martin Baxter]

(standing ovation)

And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill 
clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in 
any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still 
lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line 
the minute I'm done here.

And I'll throw in "You might want to read the bill.)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech















 





  
Folks,

I don't usually get into the "write this person or call that one" thing, but 
you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the 
Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a 
racist. He's been labeled Nazi, "Christian" ministers are praying for his 
death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to 
listen to him give a fairly safe, canned "Stay in school and study hard 
speech".  (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning 
down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). 

Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember 
in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing 
outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills 
me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more 
protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death 
threats as is "normal" for a President. And of course, the health care debate 
has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges 
of "death panels", socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's 
been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to 
stay the course, to wade and cut through the garbage of the Right as I try to 
search for the truth. I've tried to stay above the stench of  it all.

But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina 
representative Joe Wilson clearly yells "you lie!" at the President's assertion 
that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care plan. 

View the video and see the picture of him here:  
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html

My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being 
discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right 
become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on 
television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world shows disrespect 
for our duly elected leader, a man trying to do something to help the 
dispossessed? Is the office so contemptible now that you don't even respect it, 
if not the man? I've seen some things during Obama's rise, but this is going 
too far. In one statement, Wilson has crystalized and symbolized all the 
ignorance, hatred, disrespect, danger, foolishness, and intolerance that has 
characterized this debate. This, then, is the fruition and completion of Palin, 
still talking death panels today. This is the result of Glen Beck's charges of 
racism and witch hunts against good men. 

This then, is the depth to which some in America have fallen, and it has got to 
stop. This is no longer irritating, it's dangerous. In an environment where 
people wear sidearms around the President and feel empowered to call him a liar 
to his face, something is very, very wrong--and we have to take a step to stop 
it. 

I'm taking a small step tonight. I am trying to e-mail and call Joe Wilson to 
express my disgust and displeasure at what he's done. I say "trying" because 
all communication methods are currently busy. Phone lies busy, website, slow. 
But I provide the below links and ask you to do the same. And then, maybe we 
need to get John Boehner's contact info as well and let him know how disgusting 
this is. 

It's time to draw a line in the sand of this foolishness and hate. Let's start 
the line in S.C.  Contact info for Wilson is below:

Send an e-mail to him here:  http://www.house.gov/formwilson/IMA/issue.htm

Contact info (all numbers have been busy since I've tried them tonight)

The Midlands' Office  •  1700 Sunset Blcd (US 378), Suite 1  •  West Columbia, 
SC 29169  •  Phone: (803) 939-0041  •  Fax: (803) 939-0078

The Lowcountry Office  •  903 Port Republic Street  •  Beaufort, SC 29902  •  
Phone: (843) 521-2530  •  Fax: (843) 521-2535

Washington Office  •  212 Cannon House Office Building  •  Washington, DC 20515 
 •  Phone: (202) 225-2452  •  Fax: (202) 225-2455



 

  

RE: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason...

[Martin Baxter]

Jeez! My resting is about 75. Might be my HBP talking.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:32:22 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason...















 





  
Ha! Two years ago, when I was at my physical best (lifting weights, yoga, 
Pilates, running/aerobics), my resting heart rate was 46 (measured as I came 
out of a slumber), the rate just sitting in a chair reading or watching TV was 
54, and the rate while doing minor activity like driving was 66. Trying to get 
back to that now, but man is stress a bane to that!

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:06:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason...







 





  


"... (resting heart rate is 60)..."

Keith, you have no notion of the jealousy coursing through me right now. Last 
time my resting rate was that low, I was receiving Last Rites.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:23:57 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason...















 





  
I eat a lot of spinach. Stay away from meal bars mostly now, due to the bread 
and sometimes sugars (got a glucose problem now, Lord help me).  I eat a lot of 
hemp bread. The brand I buy--French Meadow--gives you 15% of daily iron, 26g of 
protein, 19% of daily fibre, 25% of magnesium, 15% of copper--all in two slices.

I've been diagnosed as borderline diabetic (or, I'm already into Type II, 
depending on who you listen to). Given that I'm not overweight, workout six 
days a week (resting heart rate is 60 when I'm out of shape, typically around 
50 when I'm on my exercise program), and only indulged in ice cream a few times 
a week it's my family genes coming to play. (I've had no significant white 
bread, flour, sugar, rice, or potatoes for years).The unfortunate thing is that 
diabetes often goes hand-in-hand with high blood pressure and high cholesterol. 
The former's okay for me, the latter was high normal for me--again, despite 
diet.  (And both factors exist in my family at any rate). 

So I've been exploring all kinds of grains/seeds/beans like quinoa, buckwheat, 
lentils, etc., to help meet the goals of giving me good sugars, protein, fat, 
without the bad sugar and fat. Fortunately I've never eaten as much meat as 
most guys my size, so that's not been a big deal.  The real fun is sussing out 
fact from fiction. For example, I used to eat tons of soy, now I've been told 
that in the form usually obtained in the West, it's not good for me. Then I 
have people swearing that even the "good" form has plant estrogens which 
adversely affect male hormones (my doctor, an Indian vegetarian), told me that. 
 Now I'm really into the whole Glycemic Index, and that's really fun, let me 
tell you. Fortunately my overall eating habits are very good, so it's more 
tweaking the diet.



- Original Message -
From: "Adrianne Brennan" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:23:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason...







 





  Quinoa, lentils, spinach, meal bars, and all sorts of 
yum-yums for my iron intake. Since I've been exercising like a fiend and it's 
"that time", I take an additional supplement to be on the safe side.



<-- vegan :)
~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html


Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: 
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: 
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath





On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:






















My iron stays on the low end too. Genetics, i guess. I try to eat lots of 
spinach, greens, kale, black beans, and the like for iron. Every two weeks to a 
month, I treat myself to a burger too.




- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 


Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 6:08:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason...







 





  


Keith, I began eating liver because I had low iron, result of a childhood 
illness. The first few times, I went "Bleech!" too. Now, everytime I see the 
stuff... no matter. The less you consume, the more for me. 



"If all the world's a stage

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?

[Martin Baxter]

Forgot that that was a "staple" as well. Think that they ran a block of it last 
month. I always thought of it as "right-wing SF", because the themes of God and 
Country always rang through. And a nit of trivia -- Jonathon LaPaglia, the 
lead, was an ER surgeon in London's East End just before he took the role. In 
one ep, he's seen doing surgeon's hand exercises.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:28:50 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?















 





  
I'll do you one better: "Seven Days". During my long period of recent 
unemployment, I had a lot of occasion to watch SciFi, either at home while 
doing chores, or at my old gym, which had television screens on all the 
treadmills. And for a long, long time, "Seven Days" was being aired 
religiously. I think it was on at 3 or 4 pm EST, just before "Voyager" or 
"Enterprise". Now that is a scifi show I never got. The premise was crappy, I 
could never understand if the joystick-controlled timeship was supposed to be a 
joke or not, the casting was just bland, and the stories incredibly derivative. 
I can't remember one ep that was enjoyable, not even the scifi standard of 
going to an evil "mirror" universe. Hence, I don't think I watched more than 
three or four eps of the whole thing from beginning to end. But, like "The 
Sentinel", there it was, day after day, polluting the airwaves

But even *that* is better than the ghost hunting show!

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:04:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?







 





  


Angela, my first indicator that something was rotten in the state of Denmark 
was "The Sentinel" or, as I liked to call it, The Manager's Choice". For a 
period of about three years, then-Skiffy altered its morning sched almost 
religiously, shows coming and going with dizzying speed, but "The Sentinel" 
never moved from its timeslot (M-F @ 10:00 am, Sat @ 1:00 pm). I figured that 
someone high up the food chain there must've loved that show something fierce 
(or Richard Burgi), because, at the time, no one I knew cared a whit for the 
show.

The point of that ramble? Maybe they *are* their own core viewers.

Martin (listening to Thin Lizzy's "Cold Sweat", which may have fueled that last)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: asrobin...@mindspring.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:42:19 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?















 





  After having no cable since 1992, missing shows like 
Farscape,  Earthsea (gagg), etc., and running out of space for Stargate DVD's, 
I finally let them attach a dish to my 100-year-old house SOLELY because of the 
SciFi channel.  



I wonder if they really know who their core viewers are.



Angela



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

> 

> Keith, I get the feeling that CN made the mistake of looking at the "success" 
> that Siffy's had with the ratings on their reality programming and opted to 
> follow suit, without bothering to look at the complaints. Also, there might 
> be the money factor at play. In this depressed economy, they may be looking 
> for cheap programming.

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: keithbjohn...@...

> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 03:46:55 +

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?

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> And now even Cartoon Network is doing "reality" shows! WTF?

> 

> - Original Message -

> From: "Tracey de Morsella" 

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 1:02:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?

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>   I thing they are preserving the audience they want.  The 
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> those silly reality shows and the most hideous night on television.  They

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> are making more of those, not less.  Too bad they are not trying to expand

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> their audience to include those they used to have

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> 

> -Original Message-

> 

> From: scifinoir2@yahoogrou

RE: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it

[Martin Baxter]

Thank you. It just struck me, the second time I watched the pilot, wondered why 
she, with that gift, wasn't out in the field.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:35:25 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it















 





  
Dude, what a thought! Good supposition!

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:16:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it







 





  


Mr Worf, my personal thought regarding the sister -- she's a Living Artifact. 
Wait for it to happen.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:13:41 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it















 





  I like the show, but some of the things that keep happening 
over and over again bugs me. Like Pete being generally stupid when it comes to 
how he deals with the artifacts he comes in contact with. I do love the 
artifacts though.  Great creativity there. There are hundreds of Stephen King 
books that are waiting to be written around some of these artifacts! :) 


The Regents are interesting. There are a few plot elements that they still 
haven't explained yet, and the regents are one. The sista at the boarding house 
is another. 


On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Keith Johnson  wrote:





















And this week's was fun too. I was afraid at first there was a clip show 
coming, when Artie was interrogated about his performance, but fortunately I 
was wrong. Liking the cast, and still liking the balance struck between humour 
and drama. Tonight's show, for example, had me seriously rolling when the 
killer dodgeballs attacked Micah and Pete. Funniest thing since the Studio 54 
disco ball! But later, the really dangerous artifact room, filled with some of 
that artifact-neutralizing goo, and shot through with that ghoulish purple 
color, was actually a bit scary. Then the show reminded more of the "Friday the 
13th"series, which was often very creepy. (especially since it aired at 11 pm 
here in the Atl, and I used to lay in bed in the dark watching it). One 
realizes that Warehouse 13 could actually go in three directions: more straight 
drama/detective work (a la some eps of The X-Files), more humourous (a la 
"Eureka"), or more supernatural and creepy like "Friday the 13th". The writers 
are doing a good job with the balance, and I'm liking the humorous bits: the 
Star Trek references. Tonight, Pete goes "Hey! Hey! Hey!", just like Dwayne 
from "What's Happening", and I'm back rolling again!


That gives them lots of plot possibilities, lots of artifacts to create, from 
the mundane to the extraordinary.
It's been picked up for a second season.


- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:27:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it


Okay, really liked this week's show. A good mix of danger (the evil Mirror 
Myka), humour (the Studio 54 disco ball as a dangerous magic artifact playing 
"I Will Survive" had me in stitches!), and cool artifacts (Lewis Carroll's 
mirror). 


No longer tepid, the show gets better with every ep. The characters are more 
assured than I expected. the plots are actually interesting and entertaining, 
and they're striking a good balance of danger and fun, drama and humour, 
science and fancy.  I like that some of what they use or retrieve borders on 
magical, while some of the stuff is super science.The cast is all interesting, 
from Pete's standard devil-may-care angle, to Myka's cautious suspicious agent, 
to Artie's quirky, often grumpy role as the leader. I even like the young girl 
who's joined the cast. Her comic line "Warehouse 13--The Next Generation", 
accompanied by the Vulcan salute, was hilarious.


Like "Eureka", and non-scifi shows like "Leverage" and "Burn Notice", it's 
entertaining, has engaging characters, stories that are a nice mix of drama and 
humour, and goes down easily. It seems the SyFy, as well as other cable 
channels, is getting this formula of breezy-and-serious shows down pat.  Now 
all we need is the return of some series with a little more dramatic weight in 
the mix, and we'll have the formula for some really great TV watching nights.



- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2

RE: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it

[Martin Baxter]

Keith, that's supposed to be Pete's raison d'etre. He's got "the vibe". He knew 
that his firefighter dad was going to die, and felt guilty because he didn't 
speak up about it. Ever since, he's gone with it. Don't know why it failed him 
in that instance with the mirror-Alice incident.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:35:01 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it















 





  
Yeah, the Sister is used too sparingly. I don't really get her purpose or 
function. Is she psychic? She's always talking about people's auras.

As for Pete, yeah, the thing about him acting dumb is a tad overplayed. By the 
way, does he have some sort of clairvoyance or sensitivity? In last week's show 
where that psycho Alice from the mirror replaced Micah, Artie kept asking Pete 
if he sensed anything amiss. The conversation seemed to indicate Pete has an 
ability to sense danger or "wrongness" that borders on the psychic.

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:13:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it







 





  I like the show, but some of the things that keep happening 
over and over again bugs me. Like Pete being generally stupid when it comes to 
how he deals with the artifacts he comes in contact with. I do love the 
artifacts though.  Great creativity there. There are hundreds of Stephen King 
books that are waiting to be written around some of these artifacts! :) 


The Regents are interesting. There are a few plot elements that they still 
haven't explained yet, and the regents are one. The sista at the boarding house 
is another. 


On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Keith Johnson  wrote:





















And this week's was fun too. I was afraid at first there was a clip show 
coming, when Artie was interrogated about his performance, but fortunately I 
was wrong. Liking the cast, and still liking the balance struck between humour 
and drama. Tonight's show, for example, had me seriously rolling when the 
killer dodgeballs attacked Micah and Pete. Funniest thing since the Studio 54 
disco ball! But later, the really dangerous artifact room, filled with some of 
that artifact-neutralizing goo, and shot through with that ghoulish purple 
color, was actually a bit scary. Then the show reminded more of the "Friday the 
13th"series, which was often very creepy. (especially since it aired at 11 pm 
here in the Atl, and I used to lay in bed in the dark watching it). One 
realizes that Warehouse 13 could actually go in three directions: more straight 
drama/detective work (a la some eps of The X-Files), more humourous (a la 
"Eureka"), or more supernatural and creepy like "Friday the 13th". The writers 
are doing a good job with the balance, and I'm liking the humorous bits: the 
Star Trek references. Tonight, Pete goes "Hey! Hey! Hey!", just like Dwayne 
from "What's Happening", and I'm back rolling again!


That gives them lots of plot possibilities, lots of artifacts to create, from 
the mundane to the extraordinary.
It's been picked up for a second season.


- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:27:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" - Starting to love it


Okay, really liked this week's show. A good mix of danger (the evil Mirror 
Myka), humour (the Studio 54 disco ball as a dangerous magic artifact playing 
"I Will Survive" had me in stitches!), and cool artifacts (Lewis Carroll's 
mirror). 


No longer tepid, the show gets better with every ep. The characters are more 
assured than I expected. the plots are actually interesting and entertaining, 
and they're striking a good balance of danger and fun, drama and humour, 
science and fancy.  I like that some of what they use or retrieve borders on 
magical, while some of the stuff is super science.The cast is all interesting, 
from Pete's standard devil-may-care angle, to Myka's cautious suspicious agent, 
to Artie's quirky, often grumpy role as the leader. I even like the young girl 
who's joined the cast. Her comic line "Warehouse 13--The Next Generation", 
accompanied by the Vulcan salute, was hilarious.


Like "Eureka", and non-scifi shows like "Leverage" and "Burn Notice", it's 
entertaining, has engaging characters, stories that are a nice mix of drama and 
humour, and goes down easily. It seems the SyFy, as well as other cable 
channels, is getting this formula of breezy-and-serious shows down pat.  Now 
all we need is the return of some series with a little more dramatic weight in 
the mix, and we'

RE: [scifinoir2] Roger Ebert's Pick of Bad Movies

[Martin Baxter]

"The Love Guru" should've been on this list twice.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:52:01 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Roger Ebert's Pick of Bad Movies















 





  
Wow, Ebert already put Sandra Bullock's movie on his worst of the worst list? 
Funny: he put both Transformers and G.I. Joe on his list. I must say, I haven't 
seen many of these flicks, and hadn't planned to see most of them. Although, 
many would argue that Transformers, Death Race, G.I. Joe, Night at the Museum, 
etc., are all mindless fun, if not high art

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/your-movie-sucks.html

Gathered here in one convenient place are my recent reviews that
awarded films Zero Stars, One-half Star, One Star, and One-and-a-half
Stars. These are, generally speaking to be avoided. Sometimes I hear
from readers who confess they are in the mood to watch a really bad
movie. If you're sincere, be sure to know what you're getting: A really bad 
movie. 

Sandra Bullock in "All About Steve"  


 Movies that are "so bad they're good" should generally get Two
Stars. And Pauline Kael once wrote, "The movies are so rarely great art
that if we cannot appreciate great trash, we shouldn't go at all."
Great trash should ideally get 2.5 stars or even higher.


Many of these reviews were written in the carefree spirit of those in 
my books Your Movie Sucks and I Hated, Hated, Hated This Movie.
Cheap shots and snark are permitted. The phrase came about in an
interesting way. When Patrick Goldstein of the Los Angeles Times was
critical of Rob Schnieder's "Deuce Bigelow, European Gigolo," Schneider
took out a full-page ads in the paper informing Goldstein was not
qualified to review it--what prizes had he won? In my review, I wrote:
"As chance would have it, I have won the Pulitzer Prize, and so
I am qualified. Speaking in my official capacity as a Pulitzer Prize
winner, Mr. Schneider, your movie sucks." Set and match.




 All About Steve. (PG-13,
87 minutes ) Sandra Bullock plays Mary Horowitz, a crossword puzzle
constructor who on a blind date falls insanely in love with Steve, a TV
news cameraman (Bradley Cooper, from "The Hangover"). The operative
word is "insanely." The movie is billed as a comedy but more resembles
a perplexing public display of irrational behavior. Seeing her run
around as a basket case makes you appreciate Lucille Ball, who could
play a dizzy dame and make you like her. One and a half stars. View the
trailer. 


 "The Mark Pease Experience" . 
(Pg-13, 84 minutes). A cheerless, almost sullen experience, badly
written and inertly directed, with actors who don't have a clue what
drives their characters. The actors scarcely seem to be in the same
scenes together. Involves a high school drama coach (Ben Stiller), his
troubled former student (Jason Schwartzman), and the girl they both
pursue (Anna Kendrick). Contains no chemistry at all. None. One star.
No trailer found online.



 "X Games 3-D". 
(PG, 92). A documentary about the extreme sports of skateboarding,
motorcycle jumping and motocross, which a sports film strangely doesn't
share the point scores with us and often doesn't show the same stunt in
one unbroken shot. Yes, these athletes are awesomely skilled. Also
masochists who play with broken bones because they want go "take the
sport to a new level." Lots of falls that look like they really hurt.
One and a half stars. View the trailer. 


 "G. I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra" . (PG-13)
An 118-minute largely animated film with sequences involving the faces
and other body parts of human beings. It is sure to be enjoyed by those
whose movie appreciation is defined by the ability to discern that
moving pictures and sound are being employed to depict violence.
Nevertheless, it is better than "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen."
One and a half stars. View the trailer. 




 Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. 
(PG-13, 149 minutes). A horrible experience of unbearable length,
briefly punctuated by three or four amusing moments. One of these
involves a dog-like robot humping the leg of the heroine. Such are the
meagre joys. If you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the
kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid
to start banging pots and pans together. Then close your eyes and use
your imagination. One star. View the trailer.  


I Hate Valentine's Day. 
(PG-13, 98 minutes). Geneveive (Nia Vardalos) has an unbreakable policy
regarding men: Five dates, and she's out the door. She likes only the
falling-in-love part of an affair, and not the inevitable breaking up.
Genevieve is a woman beloved by all who encounter her, when in life I
would be terrified of her. But not John Corbett, also her co-star in
"My Big Fat Gree