[scifinoir2] Google's experiment: leapfrogging ISPs to deliver ultra-high-speed Web

[Mr. Worf]

OOoo fast IIiiinternet gaa That's my homer
simpson imitation.


Google, eager to take the Internet to the next level, isn’t waiting around
for the telecoms or wireless providers to kick those connections into
ultra-high-speed mode. In a blog post this
morning,
the company said it planning to build and test ultra-high speed networks in
a small number of regions across the U.S.

The experimental fiber network will deliver speeds more than 100 times
faster than most consumer connections today - a 1-gigabit-per-second
fiber-to-the-home connection. The company said it plans to provide
competitively-priced services to at least 50,000 and potentially up to
500,000 people.

So why does Google think we need faster connections to the cloud? Here’s its
list of some examples of what a faster connection could bring:

   - *Next generation apps*: We want to see what developers and users can do
   with ultra high-speeds, whether it’s creating new bandwidth-intensive
   “killer apps” and services, or other uses we can’t yet imagine.
   - *New deployment techniques*: We’ll test new ways to build fiber
   networks, and to help inform and support deployments elsewhere, we’ll share
   key lessons learned with the world.
   - *Openness and choice*: We’ll operate an “open access” network, giving
   users the choice of multiple service providers. And consistent with our past
   advocacy, we’ll manage our network in an open, non-discriminatory and
   transparent way.

With any other post, I might argue that Google is taking things too far by
putting its paws into too many baskets. I already commented this
weekon how I
thought it was a bad idea for Google to act as retailer of the new
Nexus One mobile phones. Now, I’d be inclined to ask why they want to be an
ISP.

But Google has been very clear that this is an experimental project. From
the post:

Like our WiFi network in Mountain
View,
the purpose of this project is to experiment and learn. Network providers
are making real progress to expand and improve high-speed Internet access,
but there’s still more to be done. We don’t think we have all the answers –
but through our trial, we hope to make a meaningful contribution to the
shared goal of delivering faster and better Internet for everyone.

The first step is to reach out to cities that might be interested in being
test locations for Google’s ISP efforts. The company is issuing an open
Request for Information to identify communities that are interested. To help
bring it all together, Google has put information on this
page.And, of course, there’s
a YouTube
explainer 
video,
too.


-- 
Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] Blue Whales getting bass in their voices

[Mr. Worf]

He'll be shocked again when his female co-workers all robotically throw
their panties at the speaker.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
>
> LMNAATWO!!
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:48:24 -0800
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Blue Whales getting bass in their voices
>
>
>  LMAO @ Barry White...I could see the look on some scientist's face when
> he hears "Never Gonna Give You Up" coming through his sonar...
>
> "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
> From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie
>
> --- On *Sat, 2/6/10, Mr. Worf * wrote:
>
>
> From: Mr. Worf 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Blue Whales getting bass in their voices
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 7:15 PM
>
>
> Maybe it has more to do with style? There could have been a whale with a
> deep voice like Barry White and it caught on as a new song style? Or we
> could be watching evolution at work here.
>
> Then again all of those sonar pings and equipment may have thrown things
> off for them for the last 50 years and now that there is new technology out
> there it doesn't interfere as much.
>
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kelwyn  com
> > wrote:
>
> This reminds me of my favorite book of essays by the late great Ralph Wiley
> which he entitled: "Why Black People Tend to Shout" (but which I always
> remember as "Why Black People Tend to Holler").  They stopped killing the
> whales and the whales stopped screaming.  Imagine that.
>
> ~rave!
>
> http://latimesblogs .latimes. com/unleashed/ 2010/02/blue- whales-are-
> singing-in- a-lower-key. 
> html
>
> Blue whales have changed their songs.
>
> It's the same old tune, but the pitch of the blues is mysteriously lower --
> especially off the coast of California where, local researchers say, the
> whales' voices have dropped by more than half an octave since the 1960s.
>
> No one knows why. But one conjecture is that more baritone whales indicate
> healthier populations: The whales may be less shrill because they're less
> scarce and don't have to pipe up to be heard by neighbors.
>
> The discovery was accidental. Whale acoustics researcher Mark McDonald was
> trying to track blue whales' movements using data from Navy submarine
> detectors. He had created a program to filter out the blues' songs from a
> din of ocean noise captured by these instruments.
>
> But he kept having to rewrite the code. Each year, it seemed, the whales
> sang at a lower pitch.
>
> At first, the researchers thought it was a quirk. But after a couple of
> years of adjusting for lower frequencies, "we knew there was something
> strange going on," said John Hildebrand, an oceanographer at Scripps
> Institution of Oceanography in San Diego and co-author of the study
> published recently in Endangered Species Research.
>
> So the researchers scoured military data and seismograph readings for clues
> about what blue whales used to sound like.
>
> A retired Navy scientist directed Hildebrand to a trove of tapes stored at
> Sea World. The delicate old reels were the size of dinner plates. It turned
> out they contained snippets of blue whale songs from 40 years ago.
>
> The tapes eliminated all doubt: In the Beach Boys' era, blue whales'
> voices, while nowhere near falsetto, had been distinctly higher pitched.
>
> With more work, the researchers were able show that blue whales worldwide
> are using deeper voices lately. Some have dropped their calls by only a few
> tones, but all showed a steady decline. "It was baffling," Hildebrand said.
>
> Blue whales are shrouded in mystery as it is. Sleek, mottled and silvery,
> they are rare and don't reveal much. They don't leap on the surface as much
> as humpback whales do. They might, if really flustered, slap their tails on
> the water. More often, they quietly sink, Hildebrand said.
>
> Their song is barely audible to the human ear -- a deep bass growl with
> very long wavelengths befitting very long whales.
>
> The tone is so deep that if played in a small room, it's hard to hear: The
> long-period sound waves extend beyond the walls. But play a recording very
> loudly, in a large auditorium, and "you feel it in your chest as much as you
> hear it," McDonald said. "It's awesome."
>
> The researchers pondered possible causes. Warmer temperatures? More acidic
> seas? Such factors affect the way sound moves through water, but not enough
> to explain the change, Hildebra

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life

[Daryle Lockhart]

Bollywood Sundays were a limited run,  a series that was originally  
started to support the "Bollywood Hero" mini-series they made.


All of the movies actually ran twice ( Jab We Met is one of my all  
time favorites) --  IFC is aware that  people want them to come back,  
but somebody has to pay for the licensing. Esurance was the original   
sponsor for Sunday Bollywood.  No official  word on when the films  
will  return, but if anybody  knows any  sponsors who  should  be  
interested, hit 'em up!


I've noticed that since the Sunday Bollywood showings caught on,  
every major Bollywood release has been in theaters in the US. I'm in  
Charlotte (a market that  doesn't get ANYTHING) and have seen  
everything opening weekend since last year this time.


Daryle


On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:42 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:


They really love their viewers... :P

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who  
in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:50:10 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life


I checked IFC and there's no reply to the comments on the website.  
A lot of people are disappointed.



On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Martin Baxter  
 wrote:



I wonder why they've been pulling them, and stopped showing those  
Sundays on IFC. I used to set my clock by them.



"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who  
in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:28:44 -0800

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life


I saw Snoop Dogg in one movie recently. Unfortunately, IFC stopped  
showing the Bollywood movies on Sunday mornings. :( I have yet to  
see one that was at least a 4 out of 5 so far.


Netflix has been removing some of the movies that I picked from my  
list due to "various" reasons.



On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Martin Baxter  
 wrote:



Yes, Mr Worf, they do make watching a hit-or-miss proposition. I  
saw "The Don" on IFC once. I think.



"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who  
in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:30:36 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life


Yea. The same for Bollywood as well. They use the older method and  
it is effective. There is a guy in some of the Bollywood movies  
that borrows from Jackie Chan (jumps, shimming down pipes etc.) but  
they rarely go overboard or do the quake cam. His name is Shah Rukh  
Khan. (Check out the Don)


The problem with Bollywood is that they use too many of the bad  
styles that make their movies look like they were shot by Hype  
Williams.






On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Keith Johnson  
 wrote:



Compare the fight scenes of this and other Asian films you watch  
with American fight scenes. As discussed ad nauseum, I'm really  
despairing of so much American action fare, which is horribly  
choreographed.  If you list Transformers, Crank, G.I. Joe, and  
other stuff, it's beyond ridiculous. I honestly couldn't see or  
register one clear punch or kick in "Joe", the camera moved so much.
It's been my experience that Asian cinema is much better at fast  
action that one can still follow, due to better usage of the  
camera, more long shots that let you see the total scene and the  
fighters whole bodies, and less frenetic scene shifts. Is that the  
case in the stuff you're watching?



- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:02:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada  
Eastern

Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life


Added to my list. I am on somewhat of a South Korean cinema binge.  
Watched "A Dirty Carnaval (Biyeolhan geor)" last night. Overall, I  
didn't care much for it but the fight scenes were brutal and  
realistically choreographed.


~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"   
wrote:

>
> Movie Review: Dalkomhan Insaeng aka A Bittersweet Life, directed  
by Kim

> Jee-Woon
>
> Made in South Korea, this is a mob story about a very sharp mob  
enforcer
> named Kim. Kim’s boss runs a large hotel downtown. One evening  
he is asked
> to take care of a situation in one of the private rooms in the  
restaurant
> that is being held by three members of a rival gang. Kim goes  
into the room
> and counts to three for them to leave. On the count of three he  
leaps on top
> of the table kicking one thug in the face, while punching  
another. The third
> got the worst of it with a bottle of wine to the head. This all  
happened in

>

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life

[Martin Baxter]

They really love their viewers... :P

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:50:10 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life


















 



  



  
  
  I checked IFC and there's no reply to the comments on the website. A lot 
of people are disappointed. 


On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























I wonder why they've been pulling them, and stopped showing those Sundays on 
IFC. I used to set my clock by them.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:28:44 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life



















 



  



  
  
  I saw Snoop Dogg in one movie recently. Unfortunately, IFC stopped 
showing the Bollywood movies on Sunday mornings. :( I have yet to see one that 
was at least a 4 out of 5 so far. 

Netflix has been removing some of the movies that I picked from my list due to 
"various" reasons. 




On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























Yes, Mr Worf, they do make watching a hit-or-miss proposition. I saw "The Don" 
on IFC once. I think.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:30:36 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life


















 



  



  
  
  Yea. The same for Bollywood as well. They use the older method and it is 
effective. There is a guy in some of the Bollywood movies that borrows from 
Jackie Chan (jumps, shimming down pipes etc.) but they rarely go overboard or 
do the quake cam. His name is Shah Rukh Khan. (Check out the Don)




The problem with Bollywood is that they use too many of the bad styles that 
make their movies look like they were shot by Hype Williams.





On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:























Compare the fight scenes of this and other Asian films you watch with American 
fight scenes. As discussed ad nauseum, I'm really despairing of so much 
American action fare, which is horribly choreographed.  If you list 
Transformers, Crank, G.I. Joe, and other stuff, it's beyond ridiculous. I 
honestly couldn't see or register one clear punch or kick in "Joe", the camera 
moved so much.



It's been my experience that Asian cinema is much better at fast action that 
one can still follow, due to better usage of the camera, more long shots that 
let you see the total scene and the fighters whole bodies, and less frenetic 
scene shifts. Is that the case in the stuff you're watching?




- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com



Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:02:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life








 



  



  
  
  Added to my list.  I am on somewhat of a South Korean cinema binge.  
Watched "A Dirty Carnaval (Biyeolhan geor)" last night.  Overall, I didn't care 
much for it but the fight scenes were brutal and realistically choreographed.






~rave!



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

>

> Movie Review: Dalkomhan Insaeng aka A Bittersweet Life, directed by Kim

> Jee-Woon

> 

> Made in South Korea, this is a mob story about a very sharp mob enforcer

> named Kim. Kim’s boss runs a large hotel downtown. One evening he is asked

> to take care of a situation in one of the private rooms in the restaurant

> that is being held by three members of a rival gang.  Kim goes into the room

> and counts to three for them to leave. On the count of three he leaps on top

> of the table kicking one thug in the face, while punching another. The third

> got the worst of it with a bottle of wine to the head. This all happened in

> the first five minutes of the film!

> 

> Unfortunately, this set off a chain of events that slowly reveals itself as

> the film progresses. A couple of days later, Kim’s boss asked him to keep an

> eye on his new girlfriend while he is away on a trip. She is a college age

> woman that he suspects may be seeing someone her own age.  If she was he

> ordered Kim to kill her and her lover. After spending time following the

> girl, and spending time with her he realizes that he couldn’t kill them, and

> orders them both not to see each other again. That may 

RE: [scifinoir2] Cycle Crazy: Strange & Amazing Bicycle Concepts

[Martin Baxter]

The technonerd in me whispers to my debit card, "Webcycle... Webcycle..."

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:53:20 -0800
Subject: [scifinoir2] Cycle Crazy: Strange & Amazing Bicycle Concepts


















 



  



  
  
  







































  





Invented in the 19th century, the bicycle hasn’t changed much since then, and 
it’s sorely in need of a 21st century makeover. Luckily, there are plenty of 
designers eager to jump in and do just that, with amazing concepts that fold 
into compact portable packages, harness solar energy, store kinetic pedal power 
and even allow amphibious travel. Some are ready for the assembly line while 
others will never be more than an idea, but all 16 of these designs are quite a 
departure from the ordinary.



Laptop-Charging Bike Concept


 
It’s probably the boxiest and least aerodynamic bicycle concept yet, but the 
most interesting part of Yuji Fujimura’s strange design has nothing to do with 
looks. This electric bicycle has a docking station for your laptop, charged by 
the bike’s battery as you ride. Sure, it’s probably uncomfortable and you’d be 
knocked down in no time flat by the slightest gust of wind, but you’d never run 
out of juice.


Incredible Folding Backback Bicycle


 
The backcountry provides some of the most breathtaking, adventurous settings 
for mountain biking – but the journey to get there sometimes takes enthusiasts 
over terrain that has to be negotiated on foot, and most bicycles aren’t easy 
to carry. The Bergmönch folding backpack bicycle eliminates that problem. Not 
only is it small and lightweight, it folds perfectly onto itself in less than 
two minutes in a convenient configuration.


Solar Powered Electric Bike


 
While cyclists on traditional rides huff and puff up hills, Cycle Sol owners 
can glide up effortlessly using solar power instead of muscle power. Designed 
by Miroslav Miljevic, this electric bicycle has a roof that both protects the 
rider from the sun and rain and collects solar energy. It’s made for people who 
don’t feel up to the physical demands of cycling, but still want to get the 
rest of the benefits.


Collapsible Bike Concept


 
Portability is key when it comes to the bikes of the future, and concept 
designers are finding incredibly creative ways to make bikes light and 
collapsible. This design by Blair Hasty not only breaks down into a small 
package, but also provides storage space in the form of a bag positioned 
between the wheels. Hasty also set out to improve rider posturing, saying “I 
resolved these issues by moving the position of the pedals behind the rider and 
moving some of the pressure of their body weight onto the front of the hip 
bones, using a broad front section of the seat and onto their forearms with 
supports protruding from the handles.”


BMW Concept Bikes


 
It comes as no surprise that some of the coolest-looking bicycle concepts were 
designed by automaker BMW. It’s not clear exactly what these concepts were 
created for, but with their colorful motorbike-esque shapes and proportions, 
they do provide some inspiration for bringing bicycle design firmly into the 
21st century.


Bizarre Di-Cycle


 
Designed to carry the rider over both land and water, this strange bicycle 
concept was designed especially for the city of Helmond in the Netherlands, 
which has as many canals as it does roads.  Created by GBO Design, the Di-Cycle 
is far bulkier than traditional bicycles – which would seem to limit its 
application – but does offer an intriguing solution to amphibious travel.


ThisWay: All-Weather Bicycle Design


 
One of the most common reasons people give for not riding a bicycle more often 
is that they don’t want to get wet. All-weather bicycle concepts aren’t 
entirely new, but they’ve always been rather clunky and unrealistic – until 
now. ‘ThisWay’, a covered bicycle concept by Swedish designer Torkel Dohmer,s 
features a transparent roof that can protect against precipitation. It’s a cool 
idea, but critics point out that the lack of fenders means water from the road 
will splash up onto the rider.


Locust Flexible Folding Bicycle


 
With its large circular frame, the Locust folds in a way that most other 
portable, collapsible bikes don’t. Designer Josef Cardek told Ride This Bike, 
“The idea behind the Locust was developed in a very analytical way: I asked 
myself what parts of a normal bike can never fold? Wheels, of course. So 
everything else must be subordinated to wheels…and from this idea it was clear 
to me what shape the bike will have. Also, one of my core objectives was to 
keep ‘classic conservative geometry’, using the biggest wheels possible to 
achieve the easy handling and feel of a n

RE: [scifinoir2] Blue Whales getting bass in their voices

[Martin Baxter]

LMNAATWO!!

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:48:24 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Blue Whales getting bass in their voices


















 



  



  
  
  LMAO @ Barry White...I could see the look on some scientist's face when 
he hears "Never Gonna Give You Up" coming through his sonar...

"Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
>From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie

--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Mr. Worf  wrote:


From: Mr. Worf 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Blue Whales getting bass in their voices
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 7:15 PM


  

Maybe it has more to do with style? There could have been a whale with a deep 
voice like Barry White and it caught on as a new song style? Or we could be 
watching evolution at work here. 

Then again all of those sonar pings and equipment may have thrown things off 
for them for the last 50 years and now that there is new technology out there 
it doesn't interfere as much. 


On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:

This reminds me of my favorite book of essays by the late great Ralph Wiley 
which he entitled: "Why Black People Tend to Shout" (but which I always 
remember as "Why Black People Tend to Holler").  They stopped killing the 
whales and the whales stopped screaming.  Imagine that.

~rave!

http://latimesblogs .latimes. com/unleashed/ 2010/02/blue- whales-are- 
singing-in- a-lower-key. html

Blue whales have changed their songs.

It's the same old tune, but the pitch of the blues is mysteriously lower -- 
especially off the coast of California where, local researchers say, the 
whales' voices have dropped by more than half an octave since the 1960s.

No one knows why. But one conjecture is that more baritone
 whales indicate healthier populations: The whales may be less shrill because 
they're less scarce and don't have to pipe up to be heard by neighbors.

The discovery was accidental. Whale acoustics researcher Mark McDonald was 
trying to track blue whales' movements using data from Navy submarine 
detectors. He had created a program to filter out the blues' songs from a din 
of ocean noise captured by these instruments.

But he kept having to rewrite the code. Each year, it seemed, the whales sang 
at a lower pitch.

At first, the researchers thought it was a quirk. But after a couple of years 
of adjusting for lower frequencies, "we knew there was something strange going 
on," said John Hildebrand, an oceanographer at Scripps Institution of 
Oceanography in San Diego and co-author of the study published recently in 
Endangered Species Research.

So the researchers scoured military data and seismograph readings for clues 
about what blue
 whales used to sound like.

A retired Navy scientist directed Hildebrand to a trove of tapes stored at Sea 
World. The delicate old reels were the size of dinner plates. It turned out 
they contained snippets of blue whale songs from 40 years ago.

The tapes eliminated all doubt: In the Beach Boys' era, blue whales' voices, 
while nowhere near falsetto, had been distinctly higher pitched.

With more work, the researchers were able show that blue whales worldwide are 
using deeper voices lately. Some have dropped their calls by only a few tones, 
but all showed a steady decline. "It was baffling," Hildebrand said.

Blue whales are shrouded in mystery as it is. Sleek, mottled and silvery, they 
are rare and don't reveal much. They don't leap on the surface as much as 
humpback whales do. They might, if really flustered, slap their tails on the 
water. More often, they quietly sink, Hildebrand said.

Their song is barely audible to
 the human ear -- a deep bass growl with very long wavelengths befitting very 
long whales.

The tone is so deep that if played in a small room, it's hard to hear: The 
long-period sound waves extend beyond the walls. But play a recording very 
loudly, in a large auditorium, and "you feel it in your chest as much as you 
hear it," McDonald said. "It's awesome."

The researchers pondered possible causes. Warmer temperatures? More acidic 
seas? Such factors affect the way sound moves through water, but not enough to 
explain the change, Hildebrand said.

The rumble of shipping traffic is thought to affect marine mammals. But the 
researchers argue that if whales were just trying to be heard above the fray, 
they would adopt higher, not lower, voices.

It's also possible that the low voice is just a fad. Biologists talk about 
whale "culture," and blue whales tend to be conformists. But researchers have 
said they doubt that a random, learned
 behavior could spread all over the globe.

So 

RE: [scifinoir2] movie review: A bittersweet life

[Martin Baxter]

As they say where I hail from, "Just the a$$-whup, please."
  
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[scifinoir2] Cycle Crazy: Strange & Amazing Bicycle Concepts

[Mr. Worf]

Invented in the 19th century, the bicycle hasn’t changed much since then,
and it’s sorely in need of a 21st century makeover. Luckily, there are
plenty of designers eager to jump in and do just that, with amazing concepts
that fold into compact portable packages, harness solar energy, store
kinetic pedal power and even allow amphibious travel. Some are ready for the
assembly line while others will never be more than an idea, but all 16 of
these designs are quite a departure from the ordinary.
Laptop-Charging Bike Concept



It’s probably the boxiest and least aerodynamic bicycle concept yet, but the
most interesting part of Yuji Fujimura’s strange design has nothing to do
with looks. This electric bicycle has a docking station for your laptop,
charged by the bike’s battery as you ride. Sure, it’s probably uncomfortable
and you’d be knocked down in no time flat by the slightest gust of wind, but
you’d never run out of juice.
Incredible Folding Backback Bicycle



The backcountry provides some of the most breathtaking, adventurous settings
for mountain biking – but the journey to get there sometimes takes
enthusiasts over terrain that has to be negotiated on foot, and most
bicycles aren’t easy to carry. The Bergmönch folding backpack bicycle
eliminates that problem. Not only is it small and lightweight, it folds
perfectly onto itself in less than two minutes in a convenient
configuration.
Solar Powered Electric Bike



While cyclists on traditional rides huff and puff up hills, Cycle Sol owners
can glide up effortlessly using solar power instead of muscle power.
Designed by *Miroslav Miljevic*, this electric bicycle has a roof that both
protects the rider from the sun and rain and collects solar energy. It’s
made for people who don’t feel up to the physical demands of cycling, but
still want to get the rest of the benefits.
Collapsible Bike Concept



Portability is key when it comes to the bikes of the future, and concept
designers are finding incredibly creative ways to make bikes light and
collapsible. This design by Blair Hasty not only breaks down into a small
package, but also provides storage space in the form of a bag positioned
between the wheels. Hasty also set out to improve rider posturing, saying “I
resolved these issues by moving the position of the pedals behind the rider
and moving some of the pressure of their body weight onto the front of the
hip bones, using a broad front section of the seat and onto their forearms
with supports protruding from the handles.”
BMW Concept Bikes



It comes as no surprise that some of the coolest-looking bicycle concepts
were designed by automaker BMW. It’s not clear exactly what these concepts
were created for, but with their colorful motorbike-esque shapes and
proportions, they do provide some inspiration for bringing bicycle design
firmly into the 21st century.
Bizarre Di-Cycle



Designed to carry the rider over both land and water, this strange bicycle
concept was designed especially for the city of Helmond in the Netherlands,
which has as many canals as it does roads.  Created by GBO Design, the
Di-Cycle is far bulkier than traditional bicycles – which would seem to
limit its application – but does offer an intriguing solution to amphibious
travel.
ThisWay: All-Weather Bicycle Design



One of the most common reasons people give for not riding a bicycle more
often is that they don’t want to get wet. All-weather bicycle concepts
aren’t entirely new, but they’ve always been rather clunky and unrealistic –
until now. ‘ThisWay’, a covered bicycle concept by Swedish designer *Torkel
Dohmer*,*s* features a transparent roof that can protect against
precipitation. It’s a cool idea, but critics point out that the lack of
fenders means water from the road will splash up onto the rider.
Locust Flexible Folding Bicycle



With its large circular frame, the Locust folds in a way that most other
portable, collapsible bikes don’t. Designer Josef Cardek told *Ride This
Bike*, “The idea behind the Locust was developed in a very analytical way: I
asked myself what parts of a normal bike can never fold? Wheels, of course.
So everything else must be subordinated to wheels…and from this idea it was
clear to me what shape the bike will have. Also, one of my core objectives
was to keep ‘classic conservative geometry’, using the biggest wheels
possible to achieve the easy handling and feel of a normal bike.”
Grasshopper: Folding Electric Bike



Naturally, some intrepid designers have taken folding bicycles to the next
level by making them electric. But none have gone quite so far as David
Gonçalves, whose Grasshopper design not only gets you to and fro, but can
also become a stationary exercise bike and even generates and stores the
energy you produce when pedaling.
Wind-Powered Racing Bicycle



Unwieldy? No doubt. But creating this monster of a *wind-powered,
multi-seater bicycle* (tricycle, actually) was a dream of Gustav Winkler’s
since he was a boy, and he’s thrilled wit

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life

[Mr. Worf]

I checked IFC and there's no reply to the comments on the website. A lot of
people are disappointed.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> I wonder why they've been pulling them, and stopped showing those Sundays
> on IFC. I used to set my clock by them.
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:28:44 -0800
>
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life
>
>
>  I saw Snoop Dogg in one movie recently. Unfortunately, IFC stopped
> showing the Bollywood movies on Sunday mornings. :( I have yet to see one
> that was at least a 4 out of 5 so far.
>
> Netflix has been removing some of the movies that I picked from my list due
> to "various" reasons.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Martin Baxter <
> truthseeker...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes, Mr Worf, they do make watching a hit-or-miss proposition. I saw "The
> Don" on IFC once. I think.
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:30:36 -0800
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life
>
>
>  Yea. The same for Bollywood as well. They use the older method and it is
> effective. There is a guy in some of the Bollywood movies that borrows from
> Jackie Chan (jumps, shimming down pipes etc.) but they rarely go overboard
> or do the quake cam. His name is Shah Rukh Khan. (Check out the Don)
>
> The problem with Bollywood is that they use too many of the bad styles that
> make their movies look like they were shot by Hype Williams.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Keith Johnson  > wrote:
>
>
>
> Compare the fight scenes of this and other Asian films you watch with
> American fight scenes. As discussed ad nauseum, I'm really despairing of so
> much American action fare, which is horribly choreographed.  If you list
> Transformers, Crank, G.I. Joe, and other stuff, it's beyond ridiculous. I
> honestly couldn't see or register one clear punch or kick in "Joe", the
> camera moved so much.
> It's been my experience that Asian cinema is much better at fast action
> that one can still follow, due to better usage of the camera, more long
> shots that let you see the total scene and the fighters whole bodies, and
> less frenetic scene shifts. Is that the case in the stuff you're watching?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelwyn" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:02:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life
>
>
>  Added to my list. I am on somewhat of a South Korean cinema binge.
> Watched "A Dirty Carnaval (Biyeolhan geor)" last night. Overall, I didn't
> care much for it but the fight scenes were brutal and realistically
> choreographed.
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > Movie Review: Dalkomhan Insaeng aka A Bittersweet Life, directed by Kim
> > Jee-Woon
> >
> > Made in South Korea, this is a mob story about a very sharp mob enforcer
> > named Kim. Kim’s boss runs a large hotel downtown. One evening he is
> asked
> > to take care of a situation in one of the private rooms in the restaurant
> > that is being held by three members of a rival gang. Kim goes into the
> room
> > and counts to three for them to leave. On the count of three he leaps on
> top
> > of the table kicking one thug in the face, while punching another. The
> third
> > got the worst of it with a bottle of wine to the head. This all happened
> in
> > the first five minutes of the film!
> >
> > Unfortunately, this set off a chain of events that slowly reveals itself
> as
> > the film progresses. A couple of days later, Kim’s boss asked him to
> keep an
> > eye on his new girlfriend while he is away on a trip. She is a college
> age
> > woman that he suspects may be seeing someone her own age. If she was he
> > ordered Kim to kill her and her lover. After spending time following the
> > girl, and spending time with her he realizes that he couldn’t kill
> them, and
> > orders them both not to see each other again. That may have been a big
> > mistake.
> >
> > With the boss out of town Kim makes the situation between his gang and
> the
> > rival gang a little more intense by not apologizing to the Jr. Boss’
> son.
> > The mob never forgets no matter where you live, and Kim found that out
> the
> > hard way.
> >
> > The fight scenes in this movie are top notch. There were even some
> moments
> > that was so well done that it was hard to believe tha

Re: [scifinoir2] Blue Whales getting bass in their voices

[C.W. Badie]

LMAO @ Barry White...I could see the look on some scientist's face when he 
hears "Never Gonna Give You Up" coming through his sonar...

"Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
>From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie

--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Mr. Worf  wrote:


From: Mr. Worf 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Blue Whales getting bass in their voices
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 7:15 PM


  



Maybe it has more to do with style? There could have been a whale with a deep 
voice like Barry White and it caught on as a new song style? Or we could be 
watching evolution at work here. 

Then again all of those sonar pings and equipment may have thrown things off 
for them for the last 50 years and now that there is new technology out there 
it doesn't interfere as much. 


On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:

This reminds me of my favorite book of essays by the late great Ralph Wiley 
which he entitled: "Why Black People Tend to Shout" (but which I always 
remember as "Why Black People Tend to Holler").  They stopped killing the 
whales and the whales stopped screaming.  Imagine that.

~rave!

http://latimesblogs .latimes. com/unleashed/ 2010/02/blue- whales-are- 
singing-in- a-lower-key. html

Blue whales have changed their songs.

It's the same old tune, but the pitch of the blues is mysteriously lower -- 
especially off the coast of California where, local researchers say, the 
whales' voices have dropped by more than half an octave since the 1960s.

No one knows why. But one conjecture is that more baritone whales indicate 
healthier populations: The whales may be less shrill because they're less 
scarce and don't have to pipe up to be heard by neighbors.

The discovery was accidental. Whale acoustics researcher Mark McDonald was 
trying to track blue whales' movements using data from Navy submarine 
detectors. He had created a program to filter out the blues' songs from a din 
of ocean noise captured by these instruments.

But he kept having to rewrite the code. Each year, it seemed, the whales sang 
at a lower pitch.

At first, the researchers thought it was a quirk. But after a couple of years 
of adjusting for lower frequencies, "we knew there was something strange going 
on," said John Hildebrand, an oceanographer at Scripps Institution of 
Oceanography in San Diego and co-author of the study published recently in 
Endangered Species Research.

So the researchers scoured military data and seismograph readings for clues 
about what blue whales used to sound like.

A retired Navy scientist directed Hildebrand to a trove of tapes stored at Sea 
World. The delicate old reels were the size of dinner plates. It turned out 
they contained snippets of blue whale songs from 40 years ago.

The tapes eliminated all doubt: In the Beach Boys' era, blue whales' voices, 
while nowhere near falsetto, had been distinctly higher pitched.

With more work, the researchers were able show that blue whales worldwide are 
using deeper voices lately. Some have dropped their calls by only a few tones, 
but all showed a steady decline. "It was baffling," Hildebrand said.

Blue whales are shrouded in mystery as it is. Sleek, mottled and silvery, they 
are rare and don't reveal much. They don't leap on the surface as much as 
humpback whales do. They might, if really flustered, slap their tails on the 
water. More often, they quietly sink, Hildebrand said.

Their song is barely audible to the human ear -- a deep bass growl with very 
long wavelengths befitting very long whales.

The tone is so deep that if played in a small room, it's hard to hear: The 
long-period sound waves extend beyond the walls. But play a recording very 
loudly, in a large auditorium, and "you feel it in your chest as much as you 
hear it," McDonald said. "It's awesome."

The researchers pondered possible causes. Warmer temperatures? More acidic 
seas? Such factors affect the way sound moves through water, but not enough to 
explain the change, Hildebrand said.

The rumble of shipping traffic is thought to affect marine mammals. But the 
researchers argue that if whales were just trying to be heard above the fray, 
they would adopt higher, not lower, voices.

It's also possible that the low voice is just a fad. Biologists talk about 
whale "culture," and blue whales tend to be conformists. But researchers have 
said they doubt that a random, learned behavior could spread all over the globe.

So they put themselves in the whales' shoes. McDonald surmised that whales 
would rather not sing in higher voices if they didn't have to. They prefer deep 
and manly -- "a lower, sexier frequency," he said.

Among whales, he said, depth of voice may bespeak more desirable mates with 
larger bodies. It's useful shorthand, since it's hard to get a good look at 
one's suitor if he is 80 feet long and swimming in murky water.

After the whales were hunted nearly to extinction, they may have been

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life

[Martin Baxter]

I wonder why they've been pulling them, and stopped showing those Sundays on 
IFC. I used to set my clock by them.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:28:44 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life


















 



  



  
  
  I saw Snoop Dogg in one movie recently. Unfortunately, IFC stopped 
showing the Bollywood movies on Sunday mornings. :( I have yet to see one that 
was at least a 4 out of 5 so far. 

Netflix has been removing some of the movies that I picked from my list due to 
"various" reasons. 



On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























Yes, Mr Worf, they do make watching a hit-or-miss proposition. I saw "The Don" 
on IFC once. I think.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:30:36 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life


















 



  



  
  
  Yea. The same for Bollywood as well. They use the older method and it is 
effective. There is a guy in some of the Bollywood movies that borrows from 
Jackie Chan (jumps, shimming down pipes etc.) but they rarely go overboard or 
do the quake cam. His name is Shah Rukh Khan. (Check out the Don)



The problem with Bollywood is that they use too many of the bad styles that 
make their movies look like they were shot by Hype Williams.





On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:






















Compare the fight scenes of this and other Asian films you watch with American 
fight scenes. As discussed ad nauseum, I'm really despairing of so much 
American action fare, which is horribly choreographed.  If you list 
Transformers, Crank, G.I. Joe, and other stuff, it's beyond ridiculous. I 
honestly couldn't see or register one clear punch or kick in "Joe", the camera 
moved so much.


It's been my experience that Asian cinema is much better at fast action that 
one can still follow, due to better usage of the camera, more long shots that 
let you see the total scene and the fighters whole bodies, and less frenetic 
scene shifts. Is that the case in the stuff you're watching?



- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:02:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life








 



  



  
  
  Added to my list.  I am on somewhat of a South Korean cinema binge.  
Watched "A Dirty Carnaval (Biyeolhan geor)" last night.  Overall, I didn't care 
much for it but the fight scenes were brutal and realistically choreographed.





~rave!



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

>

> Movie Review: Dalkomhan Insaeng aka A Bittersweet Life, directed by Kim

> Jee-Woon

> 

> Made in South Korea, this is a mob story about a very sharp mob enforcer

> named Kim. Kim’s boss runs a large hotel downtown. One evening he is asked

> to take care of a situation in one of the private rooms in the restaurant

> that is being held by three members of a rival gang.  Kim goes into the room

> and counts to three for them to leave. On the count of three he leaps on top

> of the table kicking one thug in the face, while punching another. The third

> got the worst of it with a bottle of wine to the head. This all happened in

> the first five minutes of the film!

> 

> Unfortunately, this set off a chain of events that slowly reveals itself as

> the film progresses. A couple of days later, Kim’s boss asked him to keep an

> eye on his new girlfriend while he is away on a trip. She is a college age

> woman that he suspects may be seeing someone her own age.  If she was he

> ordered Kim to kill her and her lover. After spending time following the

> girl, and spending time with her he realizes that he couldn’t kill them, and

> orders them both not to see each other again. That may have been a big

> mistake.

> 

> With the boss out of town Kim makes the situation between his gang and the

> rival gang a little more intense by not apologizing to the Jr. Boss’ son.

> The mob never forgets no matter where you live, and Kim found that out the

> hard way.

> 

> The fight scenes in this movie are top notch. There were even some moments

> that was so well done that it was hard to believe that they were

> choreographed.  They open a six pack of whip ass quick fast and in a hurry

> in this film which adds to the realism. One of my favorite scenes in the

> movie involves one man against a gang in a wa

RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight

[Martin Baxter]

Pal... just let your freak flag fly. ;-)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:39:10 -0800
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight


















 



  



  
  
  Um...

"Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
>From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie

--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Aubrey Leatherwood  wrote:


From: Aubrey Leatherwood 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 7:59 PM


  

So you're saying I should not go to the Mardi Gras parades or watch Seducing 
Cindy Margolis on Fox Reality?

Aubrey







 


To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:57:57 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight

  



http://www.tcm. com/2010/ 31Days/index. jsp

You know what? Forget SyFy Originals. Forget the eleventy-millionth airing of 
"Caprica". Blow off Lifetime Movies. Turner Classic Movies is airing a great 
block of films tonight. Starting at 8 pm EST, we have Steve McQueen in  
"Bullitt", with the man-of-few-words McQueen, and one of the great car chases 
of all time. That's followed at 10 pm by "The French Connection", with a 
typically intense Gene Hackman in one of the other great car chases of all 
time. And then, at midnight, it's "Bonnie and Clyde", Warren Beatty's violent 
New Hollywood tale of the famous robbers.

The movies are part of TCM's "31 Days of Oscar", a month long airing of 
Oscar-wnning and -nominated films done every year. This is a great time to 
catch up on some of the best films of all time, from "Casablanca" to "Citizen 
Kane", from "Some Like it Hot", to "Cabin
 in the Sky".   The good thing about TCM is that in addition to showing 
Oscar-nominated films, this being Black History Month, they also show a lot of 
classic Black film dating back to the '20s. Ethel Waters in "Cabin in the Sky" 
is just one example. It's about the only place I've seen this and many other of 
those films from that time.

Gonna be a long fun night!






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RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight

[C.W. Badie]

Um...

"Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
>From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie

--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Aubrey Leatherwood  wrote:


From: Aubrey Leatherwood 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 7:59 PM


  



So you're saying I should not go to the Mardi Gras parades or watch Seducing 
Cindy Margolis on Fox Reality?

Aubrey







 


To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:57:57 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight

  



http://www.tcm. com/2010/ 31Days/index. jsp

You know what? Forget SyFy Originals. Forget the eleventy-millionth airing of 
"Caprica". Blow off Lifetime Movies. Turner Classic Movies is airing a great 
block of films tonight. Starting at 8 pm EST, we have Steve McQueen in  
"Bullitt", with the man-of-few-words McQueen, and one of the great car chases 
of all time. That's followed at 10 pm by "The French Connection", with a 
typically intense Gene Hackman in one of the other great car chases of all 
time. And then, at midnight, it's "Bonnie and Clyde", Warren Beatty's violent 
New Hollywood tale of the famous robbers.

The movies are part of TCM's "31 Days of Oscar", a month long airing of 
Oscar-wnning and -nominated films done every year. This is a great time to 
catch up on some of the best films of all time, from "Casablanca" to "Citizen 
Kane", from "Some Like it Hot", to "Cabin in the Sky".   The good thing about 
TCM is that in addition to showing Oscar-nominated films, this being Black 
History Month, they also show a lot of classic Black film dating back to the 
'20s. Ethel Waters in "Cabin in the Sky" is just one example. It's about the 
only place I've seen this and many other of those films from that time.

Gonna be a long fun night!






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Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight

[C.W. Badie]

Actually they are making movies like that...On they tend to cater to the 'Short 
Attention Span Theater' crowd. That renders them unrecognizable...

"Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
>From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie

--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Keith Johnson  wrote:


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 8:20 PM


  




Watching it now. I was just telling my wife jubilantly, "they just don't film 
movies like this anymore!" Nowadays  director would have twenty thousand camera 
angles, and you'd never be able to follow the action. This thing is fast-paced 
and exciting as hell, but I can take it all in.

Speaking of great car chase scenes, another all-time one is from "Ronin", one 
of my fav films. And I also love the classic pursuit of Batman's car in "Batman 
Begins".

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 9:01:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight

  



I'm there right now, waiting for that chase scene, Keith. "Bonnie and Clyde" 
I'll be passing on, as it aired just last month. "The French Connection", 
though, is a must, particularly since I picked up a bit of trivia about Gene 
Hackman's performance in it. In the scene where he roughs up the suspect, 
Hackman nearly quit the movie. An ardent liberal, he almost couldn't bring 
himself to do the scene.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:57:57 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight

  




http://www.tcm. com/2010/ 31Days/index. jsp

You know what? Forget SyFy Originals. Forget the eleventy-millionth airing of 
"Caprica". Blow off Lifetime Movies. Turner Classic Movies is airing a great 
block of films tonight. Starting at 8 pm EST, we have Steve McQueen in  
"Bullitt", with the man-of-few-words McQueen, and one of the great car chases 
of all time. That's followed at 10 pm by "The French Connection", with a 
typically intense Gene Hackman in one of the other great car chases of all 
time. And then, at midnight, it's "Bonnie and Clyde", Warren Beatty's violent 
New Hollywood tale of the famous robbers.

The movies are part of TCM's "31 Days of Oscar", a month long airing of 
Oscar-wnning and -nominated films done every year. This is a great time to 
catch up on some of the best films of all time, from "Casablanca" to "Citizen 
Kane", from "Some Like it Hot", to "Cabin in the Sky".   The good thing about 
TCM is that in addition to showing Oscar-nominated films, this being Black 
History Month, they also show a lot of classic Black film dating back to the 
'20s. Ethel Waters in "Cabin in the Sky" is just one example. It's about the 
only place I've seen this and many other of those films from that time.

Gonna be a long fun night!





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Re: [scifinoir2] Japanese Tow Trucks

[Mr. Worf]

I wish that I could suggest this to the state of california but they are so
broke that it wouldn't matter.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> WOW! And thanks again, Mr Worf, for another bit I can use.
>
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RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon

[C.W. Badie]

So I'm finding out...

"Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
>From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 2/7/10, Aubrey Leatherwood  wrote:


From: Aubrey Leatherwood 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 1:18 PM


  



Don't feel bad! There's plenty I've never heard of either. Places like this 
help us discover things, y'know. 

Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwo od.com
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To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:46:58 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon

  






Jeez, guys...There are so many of these shows I have never seen an episode of I 
feel out of place in these discussions. ..How's it going?

"Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
>From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 2/7/10, Keith Johnson  wrote:


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 12:25 PM


  



Loved it and watched it from day one. Gary Cole was great and menacing, and 
Lucas Black was quite a find. I agree with you he hasn't quite reached the 
potential he showed in "American Gothic" and "Sling Blade". I was really 
excited to see where he'd go. He has such an intense personality. But alas, 
aside from "Friday Night Lights", I can't remember him with major roles in any 
other work. He works all the time--"Legion" , "Jarhead", "Cold Mountain"--just 
not as visibly as I'd hoped.

And don't forget "American Gothic" is the brainchild of former Hardy Boys teen 
heart throb Saun Cassidy. Cassidy was also behind the short-lived series 
"Invasion" (a modern take on the "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" theme), and, 
he was one of the producer/writers for the short-lived series "Roar", which 
starred Heath Ledger as a Celtic warrior. When Cassidy's penchant for edge, 
adult fare started manifesting itself, quite a few suits and fews were 
surprised. I think he's one of the best talents in the scifi/fantasy genre. 
Unfortunately, he likes to write densely layered plots that take time to 
develop, and don't really on a lot of quick killing and action, so networks 
rarely give his stuff more than one year.

He ought to try his hand at more movies, or maybe people like him and Joss 
Whedon need to form an outfit to get their stuff produced on networks that 
might actually support them for a while. Fox and ABC don't have the staying 
power.

- Original Message -
From: "Aubrey Leatherwood" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:06:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon

  



Hey Guys,

 
American Gothic is on Chiller for the next few hours. I was very much into this 
series (but never into Twin Peaks oddly enough) and somewhat amazed that it 
made it past a pitch session onto TV even if it was cancelled after one season. 
Produced by our buddy Sam Raimi it featured a few actors (Gary Cole, Jake 
Weber, Sarah Paulson) who are pretty successful these days. Lucas Black hasn't 
quite lived up to his potential, but you had to love him as a kid with that 
heavy Southern accent. Did anyone else watch it? 


Aubrey Leatherwood
CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR FAVORITE EROTICA AUTHOR 2009
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FaceBook * MySpace 
Dime 
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Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life

[Mr. Worf]

I saw Snoop Dogg in one movie recently. Unfortunately, IFC stopped showing
the Bollywood movies on Sunday mornings. :( I have yet to see one that was
at least a 4 out of 5 so far.

Netflix has been removing some of the movies that I picked from my list due
to "various" reasons.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Yes, Mr Worf, they do make watching a hit-or-miss proposition. I saw "The
> Don" on IFC once. I think.
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:30:36 -0800
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life
>
>
>  Yea. The same for Bollywood as well. They use the older method and it is
> effective. There is a guy in some of the Bollywood movies that borrows from
> Jackie Chan (jumps, shimming down pipes etc.) but they rarely go overboard
> or do the quake cam. His name is Shah Rukh Khan. (Check out the Don)
>
> The problem with Bollywood is that they use too many of the bad styles that
> make their movies look like they were shot by Hype Williams.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Keith Johnson  > wrote:
>
>
>
> Compare the fight scenes of this and other Asian films you watch with
> American fight scenes. As discussed ad nauseum, I'm really despairing of so
> much American action fare, which is horribly choreographed.  If you list
> Transformers, Crank, G.I. Joe, and other stuff, it's beyond ridiculous. I
> honestly couldn't see or register one clear punch or kick in "Joe", the
> camera moved so much.
> It's been my experience that Asian cinema is much better at fast action
> that one can still follow, due to better usage of the camera, more long
> shots that let you see the total scene and the fighters whole bodies, and
> less frenetic scene shifts. Is that the case in the stuff you're watching?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelwyn" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:02:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life
>
>
>  Added to my list. I am on somewhat of a South Korean cinema binge.
> Watched "A Dirty Carnaval (Biyeolhan geor)" last night. Overall, I didn't
> care much for it but the fight scenes were brutal and realistically
> choreographed.
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > Movie Review: Dalkomhan Insaeng aka A Bittersweet Life, directed by Kim
> > Jee-Woon
> >
> > Made in South Korea, this is a mob story about a very sharp mob enforcer
> > named Kim. Kim’s boss runs a large hotel downtown. One evening he is
> asked
> > to take care of a situation in one of the private rooms in the restaurant
> > that is being held by three members of a rival gang. Kim goes into the
> room
> > and counts to three for them to leave. On the count of three he leaps on
> top
> > of the table kicking one thug in the face, while punching another. The
> third
> > got the worst of it with a bottle of wine to the head. This all happened
> in
> > the first five minutes of the film!
> >
> > Unfortunately, this set off a chain of events that slowly reveals itself
> as
> > the film progresses. A couple of days later, Kim’s boss asked him to
> keep an
> > eye on his new girlfriend while he is away on a trip. She is a college
> age
> > woman that he suspects may be seeing someone her own age. If she was he
> > ordered Kim to kill her and her lover. After spending time following the
> > girl, and spending time with her he realizes that he couldn’t kill
> them, and
> > orders them both not to see each other again. That may have been a big
> > mistake.
> >
> > With the boss out of town Kim makes the situation between his gang and
> the
> > rival gang a little more intense by not apologizing to the Jr. Boss’
> son.
> > The mob never forgets no matter where you live, and Kim found that out
> the
> > hard way.
> >
> > The fight scenes in this movie are top notch. There were even some
> moments
> > that was so well done that it was hard to believe that they were
> > choreographed. They open a six pack of whip ass quick fast and in a hurry
> > in this film which adds to the realism. One of my favorite scenes in the
> > movie involves one man against a gang in a warehouse. Very good stuff.
> >
> > Pros: Good plot. Great fight scenes. Great acting.
> >
> > 3 out of 5 kicks to da head
> > Rated MA
> >
> > --
> > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> > Mahogany at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [scifinoir2] Samuel Delany's 70-Year Romance Novel Coming This Fall

[Martin Baxter]

I'll have my hands on it as well.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:25:18 -0800
Subject: [scifinoir2] Samuel Delany's 70-Year Romance Novel Coming This Fall


















 



  



  
  
  








 

- http://io9.com/5467952/samuel-delanys-70+year-romance-novel-coming-this-fall

 

You think your love affair is long lasting? Your romance is but an eyeblink
compared to that of the characters in Samuel R. Delany's new novel —
which is finally coming out this fall.


When we interviewed Delany a while back, he was excited about his new novel,
Through The Valley Of The Nest Of Spiders, but didn't yet have a
publisher or release date. He described it to us:


In a way, it's a very simple story, just about two working-class gay men,
who meet when they're seventeen and nineteen, living on the coast of Georgia.
They meet in 2007, and they stay together for the next 80 years, until one of
them dies. Now you tell me whether that's science fiction or not. It definitely
goes into the future, but on the other hand, they're absolutely out of the
center of life, and things progress where they live, very very slowly. And they
hear about things that are going on outside. They live on coastal part of
Georgia in a little town that does go through cycles of being a semi-popular
tourist spot in the summers, and then some years, nobody bothers to come at
all. Eventually they move to a little island off the coast, and a little
lesbian art colony starts up on the island. And they wonder if they're not
being crowded out of their new home. But they're very fond of some of the
people who live there, and some of the people who live there are very fond of
them.


Delany just appeared on
the Cover To Cover podcast, and revealed that Nest Of Spiders is
coming out this fall, from Alyson Books. Writes
Matthew Cheney:


It was the first time I'd publicly heard the release date of Chip's new
novel, Through the Valley of the Nest of Spiders, which is scheduled to be
releaed in November from Alyson Books, where the great Don Weise, who was the
editor for Dark Reflections, is now the publisher. A version of part of the new
novel appeared in Black Clock 7 a few years ago, and Chip read some of it aloud
at Readercon this past summer. It tells the story of the relationship of two
men, starting in 2007 and continuing for about seventy years into the future.


So now I guess it's 70 years, rather than 80 years. In either case, I'm
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Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in "A Star is Born"

[Mr. Worf]

You know I did see Something new, but not in the theater. I think I was
watching it with my sister and her friend a while back. It was an pretty
good film. The problem I have with white guys in the role is the fetishism
of black women that goes on. For example, swordfish and the whole aura
around halle.

 Love and basketball was another good black love film. They are far and few
between though. We only see Perry's movie on wide release because he has an
overwhelming track record. If you think about it, there are no white
directors that are even close to him on the prolific amount of material that
he pumps out every year for the last 10+ years.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Keith Johnson
wrote:

>
>
> But "Eraser" wasn't a romance, was it? I don't recall them getting together
> as a couple. And let's be clear: i'm not fighting against interracial
> relationships. They exist, and should not be overlooked. But do the math:
> from TV to film, for decades, Hollywood has either ignored black love (which
> is still the majority of black relationships),  or put black women with
> white men, or, as in "Hitch", put black men with non-white women. This
> despite the fact that the vast majority of blacks in America still marry
> other blacks--NBA players notwithstanding! :)
>
> Now a movie dealing with the topic I did like, and do watch all the time,
> is "Something New". That's the one where Sanaa Lathan plays an uptight
> lawyer who ends up falling in love with a white guy. I like the movie
> because it wasn't something put together to draw in white people: it had no
> "A-listers" to appeal to the mass audiences, and thus, was more honest. It
> was straight up with discussions of inter racial relationships and the
> hurdles they bring, both minor and major. It had the courage to have the
> black woman ask "Are you one of those white guys who just get off dating
> black women?". It made me laugh when the white dude asked innocently why
> Sanaa's character needed to wear a weave.  "What's wrong with your real
> hair?", he asks all wide-eyed, not having a clue as to the storm he'd just
> unleashed. It had realistic conversations where her black female friends
> said "It's okay to have fun with him for a while, but you're not actually
> going to *marry* a white man are you?"  It also dealt with issues of class:
> Sanaa's character's main problem is that she's trying to live a certain type
> of life, to be the proper type of upper class person, but she's not happy.
> The dude she falls in love with is a guy who's very happy, who just happens
> to be white. Thus, it didn't sugarcoat things the way mainstream films do.
> And, I like the fact that her friends all had black men, and were happy,
> especially the judge who had to learn she could love a black man who wasn't
> quite on her financial/social level.
>
> Of course, Sanaa Lathan being in it didn't hurt. I could watch her read the
> dictionary and still be transfixed!
>
> Again, curious that a movie dealing with the issues of black/white love
> honestly was not a big budget release, and had no "A-listers". And note that
> the only movies we get that show realistic black romance in a positive
> manner are those starring the likes of LL Cool J, Taraji P. Henson,
> Gabrielle Union, Morris Chestnut, Taye Diggs, Tamala Jones, etc. Guess
> that's the FUBU scene eh?
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:35:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in "A Star is Born"
>
>
>
> Because it is a subtle manipulation of the audience. I think the last movie
> like that I saw was Eraser with Ahnald and Vanessa Williams.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Why is that?
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mr. Worf" 
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 11:33:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in "A Star is Born"
>>
>>
>>
>> That's automatic for me. I never watch movies like that.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Mike Street wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm gonna have to Boycott this pic. It just sounds like they are going
>>> for too much.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>>


 Movie making isn't reality. They are shooting for stars that will have a
 big draw. If it wasn't Russell Crowe it would have been Depp, or some other
 white guy. Two black people in the roles would equal a "BLACK MOVIE." 
 Having
 one of each equals a cross over.

 On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Keith Johnson <
 keithbjohn...@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
> Worf, case in point (although i know you weren't arguing against
> prejudice in H'Wood). With all the people out there who could be cast
> opposite Knowles, they skip all the potential black men to pai

RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon

[Martin Baxter]

Sorry, pal... they did give you a serious look-over in the at-birth admissions 
process, but they found that you're... sorry to say this, but you're a great 
guy. Gotta be ruthless... ;-D

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:22:02 -0800
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon


















 



  



  
  
  ???

"Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
>From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 2/7/10, Aubrey Leatherwood  wrote:


From: Aubrey Leatherwood 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 1:53 PM


  

Oh Martin, you were at WDU? What year? :)

Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwo od.com
FaceBook * MySpace 
Dime 
Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart?
Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009
ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0








 


To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: truthseeker013@ hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:51:00 -0500
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon

  


Oh, yeah. Why weren't there any evil chicks like her when I was at World 
Domination U?

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: aubrey.leatherwood@ hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:44:00 -0500
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon

  


Can I also add, that the school teacher slash evil minion is a pretty scary 
chick. Love her.

Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwo od.com
FaceBook * MySpace 
Dime 
Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart?
Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009
ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0








 



To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: truthseeker013@ hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:42:31 -0500
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon

  


Aubrey, it was on CBS. Just tried to check it out (in vain, because DirecTV 
doesn't carry it). Was a fun little show. I saw the entire run first time 
through, have the DVD set on my To Buy List.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: aubrey.leatherwood@ hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:31:01 -0500
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon

  


I think HBO would be great for them. God save me from TruBlood (sorry fans). 
 
I did see the first episode of American Gothic and it was shocking. Just think 
about the premise in its entirety though, the central anti-character Buck is a 
supernatural, serial-killing, master manipulator, raping uh Sherriff who's 
pitted against his eight year old son conceived after he raped the boy's mother 
(who later commits suicide)... And his eight year old son spends a great deal 
of time speaking with his dead sister Merlyn who watched the aforementioned 
rape and went supernaturally batty. PLUS our devil Buck gets to hang out in the 
confession booth at church with the priest giving him the scoop on all the 
locals. And I think it was on CBS of all stations.

Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwo od.com
FaceBook * MySpace 
Dime 
Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart?
Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect
 love... and perfect sex.
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009
ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0








 



To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 19:21:45 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon

  



Yeah, Cassidy is really talented. He has a gift for working the suspenseful, 
spooky side of things. Do you recall the shocking murder in the first ep of 
"American Gothic"? You *never* see anything like that on American television! 
There were some genuinely creepy moments in "Invasion" as well. I really liked 
that show...
 
It seems to be me that every couple of years there's a discussion about why 
Joss Whedon's work doesn't make it on network TV--aside from Buffy and Angel, 
that is. There's all the discussions about how Fox won't stay with a good show 
for too long (such as the 

RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon

[C.W. Badie]

???

"Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
>From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 2/7/10, Aubrey Leatherwood  wrote:


From: Aubrey Leatherwood 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 1:53 PM


  



Oh Martin, you were at WDU? What year? :)

Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwo od.com
FaceBook * MySpace 
Dime 
Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart?
Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009
ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0








 


To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: truthseeker013@ hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:51:00 -0500
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon

  


Oh, yeah. Why weren't there any evil chicks like her when I was at World 
Domination U?

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: aubrey.leatherwood@ hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:44:00 -0500
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon

  


Can I also add, that the school teacher slash evil minion is a pretty scary 
chick. Love her.

Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwo od.com
FaceBook * MySpace 
Dime 
Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart?
Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009
ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0








 



To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: truthseeker013@ hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:42:31 -0500
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon

  


Aubrey, it was on CBS. Just tried to check it out (in vain, because DirecTV 
doesn't carry it). Was a fun little show. I saw the entire run first time 
through, have the DVD set on my To Buy List.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: aubrey.leatherwood@ hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:31:01 -0500
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon

  


I think HBO would be great for them. God save me from TruBlood (sorry fans). 
 
I did see the first episode of American Gothic and it was shocking. Just think 
about the premise in its entirety though, the central anti-character Buck is a 
supernatural, serial-killing, master manipulator, raping uh Sherriff who's 
pitted against his eight year old son conceived after he raped the boy's mother 
(who later commits suicide)... And his eight year old son spends a great deal 
of time speaking with his dead sister Merlyn who watched the aforementioned 
rape and went supernaturally batty. PLUS our devil Buck gets to hang out in the 
confession booth at church with the priest giving him the scoop on all the 
locals. And I think it was on CBS of all stations.

Aubrey Leatherwood
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To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 19:21:45 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon

  



Yeah, Cassidy is really talented. He has a gift for working the suspenseful, 
spooky side of things. Do you recall the shocking murder in the first ep of 
"American Gothic"? You *never* see anything like that on American television! 
There were some genuinely creepy moments in "Invasion" as well. I really liked 
that show...
 
It seems to be me that every couple of years there's a discussion about why 
Joss Whedon's work doesn't make it on network TV--aside from Buffy and Angel, 
that is. There's all the discussions about how Fox won't stay with a good show 
for too long (such as the great, lamented "Tru Calling", a show I loved). I 
wonder if Whendon would do better on FX, USA, or even HBO/Showtime? Maybe good 
people like him and Cassidy should try that

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From: "Aubrey Leatherwood" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:38:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon

  




Oh wow, I forgot all about Shaun Cassidy. I think your idea about him and 
Whedon are right on the mark! 

Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwo od.com
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life

[Martin Baxter]

Mr Worf, some of the indie movies I've been able to see of late are, mostly 
really odd closeups of faces, where you can count nose hairs and such.
  
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life

[Martin Baxter]

Yes, Mr Worf, they do make watching a hit-or-miss proposition. I saw "The Don" 
on IFC once. I think.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:30:36 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life


















 



  



  
  
  Yea. The same for Bollywood as well. They use the older method and it is 
effective. There is a guy in some of the Bollywood movies that borrows from 
Jackie Chan (jumps, shimming down pipes etc.) but they rarely go overboard or 
do the quake cam. His name is Shah Rukh Khan. (Check out the Don)


The problem with Bollywood is that they use too many of the bad styles that 
make their movies look like they were shot by Hype Williams.





On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:





















Compare the fight scenes of this and other Asian films you watch with American 
fight scenes. As discussed ad nauseum, I'm really despairing of so much 
American action fare, which is horribly choreographed.  If you list 
Transformers, Crank, G.I. Joe, and other stuff, it's beyond ridiculous. I 
honestly couldn't see or register one clear punch or kick in "Joe", the camera 
moved so much.

It's been my experience that Asian cinema is much better at fast action that 
one can still follow, due to better usage of the camera, more long shots that 
let you see the total scene and the fighters whole bodies, and less frenetic 
scene shifts. Is that the case in the stuff you're watching?


- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:02:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life








 



  



  
  
  Added to my list.  I am on somewhat of a South Korean cinema binge.  
Watched "A Dirty Carnaval (Biyeolhan geor)" last night.  Overall, I didn't care 
much for it but the fight scenes were brutal and realistically choreographed.




~rave!



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

>

> Movie Review: Dalkomhan Insaeng aka A Bittersweet Life, directed by Kim

> Jee-Woon

> 

> Made in South Korea, this is a mob story about a very sharp mob enforcer

> named Kim. Kim’s boss runs a large hotel downtown. One evening he is asked

> to take care of a situation in one of the private rooms in the restaurant

> that is being held by three members of a rival gang.  Kim goes into the room

> and counts to three for them to leave. On the count of three he leaps on top

> of the table kicking one thug in the face, while punching another. The third

> got the worst of it with a bottle of wine to the head. This all happened in

> the first five minutes of the film!

> 

> Unfortunately, this set off a chain of events that slowly reveals itself as

> the film progresses. A couple of days later, Kim’s boss asked him to keep an

> eye on his new girlfriend while he is away on a trip. She is a college age

> woman that he suspects may be seeing someone her own age.  If she was he

> ordered Kim to kill her and her lover. After spending time following the

> girl, and spending time with her he realizes that he couldn’t kill them, and

> orders them both not to see each other again. That may have been a big

> mistake.

> 

> With the boss out of town Kim makes the situation between his gang and the

> rival gang a little more intense by not apologizing to the Jr. Boss’ son.

> The mob never forgets no matter where you live, and Kim found that out the

> hard way.

> 

> The fight scenes in this movie are top notch. There were even some moments

> that was so well done that it was hard to believe that they were

> choreographed.  They open a six pack of whip ass quick fast and in a hurry

> in this film which adds to the realism. One of my favorite scenes in the

> movie involves one man against a gang in a warehouse. Very good stuff.

> 

> Pros: Good plot. Great fight scenes. Great acting.

> 

> 3 out of 5 kicks to da head

> Rated MA

> 

> -- 

> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!

> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

>







 






  




















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Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in "A Star is Born"

[Keith Johnson]

But "Eraser" wasn't a romance, was it? I don't recall them getting together as 
a couple. And let's be clear: i'm not fighting against interracial 
relationships. They exist, and should not be overlooked. But do the math: from 
TV to film, for decades, Hollywood has either ignored black love (which is 
still the majority of black relationships), or put black women with white men, 
or, as in "Hitch", put black men with non-white women. This despite the fact 
that the vast majority of blacks in America still marry other blacks--NBA 
players notwithstanding! :) 

Now a movie dealing with the topic I did like, and do watch all the time, is 
"Something New". That's the one where Sanaa Lathan plays an uptight lawyer who 
ends up falling in love with a white guy. I like the movie because it wasn't 
something put together to draw in white people: it had no "A-listers" to appeal 
to the mass audiences, and thus, was more honest. It was straight up with 
discussions of inter racial relationships and the hurdles they bring, both 
minor and major. It had the courage to have the black woman ask "Are you one of 
those white guys who just get off dating black women?". It made me laugh when 
the white dude asked innocently why Sanaa's character needed to wear a weave. 
"What's wrong with your real hair?", he asks all wide-eyed, not having a clue 
as to the storm he'd just unleashed. It had realistic conversations where her 
black female friends said "It's okay to have fun with him for a while, but 
you're not actually going to *marry* a white man are you?" It also dealt with 
issues of class: Sanaa's character's main problem is that she's trying to live 
a certain type of life, to be the proper type of upper class person, but she's 
not happy. The dude she falls in love with is a guy who's very happy, who just 
happens to be white. Thus, it didn't sugarcoat things the way mainstream films 
do. And, I like the fact that her friends all had black men, and were happy, 
especially the judge who had to learn she could love a black man who wasn't 
quite on her financial/social level. 

Of course, Sanaa Lathan being in it didn't hurt. I could watch her read the 
dictionary and still be transfixed! 

Again, curious that a movie dealing with the issues of black/white love 
honestly was not a big budget release, and had no "A-listers". And note that 
the only movies we get that show realistic black romance in a positive manner 
are those starring the likes of LL Cool J, Taraji P. Henson, Gabrielle Union, 
Morris Chestnut, Taye Diggs, Tamala Jones, etc. Guess that's the FUBU scene eh? 



- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:35:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in "A Star is Born" 






Because it is a subtle manipulation of the audience. I think the last movie 
like that I saw was Eraser with Ahnald and Vanessa Williams. 


On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Why is that? 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 11:33:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in "A Star is Born" 






That's automatic for me. I never watch movies like that. 


On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Mike Street < streetfor...@gmail.com > wrote: 





I'm gonna have to Boycott this pic. It just sounds like they are going for too 
much. 




On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Mr. Worf < hellomahog...@gmail.com > wrote: 









Movie making isn't reality. They are shooting for stars that will have a big 
draw. If it wasn't Russell Crowe it would have been Depp, or some other white 
guy. Two black people in the roles would equal a "BLACK MOVIE." Having one of 
each equals a cross over. 



On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Worf, case in point (although i know you weren't arguing against prejudice in 
H'Wood). With all the people out there who could be cast opposite Knowles, they 
skip all the potential black men to pair her up with a white dude? I'm already 
reading some stuff hailing the "bold" move of the interracial relationship. Got 
nothing against that, but again, in a world where black-on-black love doesn't 
get much play on the big screen... 

Yes indeed, we must make our own stuff... 

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/feb/09/russell-crowe-beyonce-star-is-born 



In what may strike cynics as a case of life imitating art, Russell Crowe looks 
set to take a leading role in A Star Is Born, a remake of the classic Hollywood 
melodrama about a fading, drunken superstar who finds himself eclipsed by a 
younger model. The former Gladiator star is reportedly in talks to appear 
alongside Beyoncé in the Warn

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life

[Mr. Worf]

Yea. The same for Bollywood as well. They use the older method and it is
effective. There is a guy in some of the Bollywood movies that borrows from
Jackie Chan (jumps, shimming down pipes etc.) but they rarely go overboard
or do the quake cam. His name is Shah Rukh Khan. (Check out the Don)

The problem with Bollywood is that they use too many of the bad styles that
make their movies look like they were shot by Hype Williams.




On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Keith Johnson
wrote:

>
>
> Compare the fight scenes of this and other Asian films you watch with
> American fight scenes. As discussed ad nauseum, I'm really despairing of so
> much American action fare, which is horribly choreographed.  If you list
> Transformers, Crank, G.I. Joe, and other stuff, it's beyond ridiculous. I
> honestly couldn't see or register one clear punch or kick in "Joe", the
> camera moved so much.
> It's been my experience that Asian cinema is much better at fast action
> that one can still follow, due to better usage of the camera, more long
> shots that let you see the total scene and the fighters whole bodies, and
> less frenetic scene shifts. Is that the case in the stuff you're watching?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelwyn" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:02:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life
>
>
>
> Added to my list. I am on somewhat of a South Korean cinema binge. Watched
> "A Dirty Carnaval (Biyeolhan geor)" last night. Overall, I didn't care much
> for it but the fight scenes were brutal and realistically choreographed.
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Mr.
> Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > Movie Review: Dalkomhan Insaeng aka A Bittersweet Life, directed by Kim
> > Jee-Woon
> >
> > Made in South Korea, this is a mob story about a very sharp mob enforcer
> > named Kim. Kim’s boss runs a large hotel downtown. One evening he is
> asked
> > to take care of a situation in one of the private rooms in the restaurant
> > that is being held by three members of a rival gang. Kim goes into the
> room
> > and counts to three for them to leave. On the count of three he leaps on
> top
> > of the table kicking one thug in the face, while punching another. The
> third
> > got the worst of it with a bottle of wine to the head. This all happened
> in
> > the first five minutes of the film!
> >
> > Unfortunately, this set off a chain of events that slowly reveals itself
> as
> > the film progresses. A couple of days later, Kim’s boss asked him to
> keep an
> > eye on his new girlfriend while he is away on a trip. She is a college
> age
> > woman that he suspects may be seeing someone her own age. If she was he
> > ordered Kim to kill her and her lover. After spending time following the
> > girl, and spending time with her he realizes that he couldn’t kill
> them, and
> > orders them both not to see each other again. That may have been a big
> > mistake.
> >
> > With the boss out of town Kim makes the situation between his gang and
> the
> > rival gang a little more intense by not apologizing to the Jr. Boss’
> son.
> > The mob never forgets no matter where you live, and Kim found that out
> the
> > hard way.
> >
> > The fight scenes in this movie are top notch. There were even some
> moments
> > that was so well done that it was hard to believe that they were
> > choreographed. They open a six pack of whip ass quick fast and in a hurry
> > in this film which adds to the realism. One of my favorite scenes in the
> > movie involves one man against a gang in a warehouse. Very good stuff.
> >
> > Pros: Good plot. Great fight scenes. Great acting.
> >
> > 3 out of 5 kicks to da head
> > Rated MA
> >
> > --
> > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> > Mahogany at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
> >
>
>
>
> 
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life

[Keith Johnson]

Compare the fight scenes of this and other Asian films you watch with American 
fight scenes. As discussed ad nauseum, I'm really despairing of so much 
American action fare, which is horribly choreographed. If you list 
Transformers, Crank, G.I. Joe, and other stuff, it's beyond ridiculous. I 
honestly couldn't see or register one clear punch or kick in "Joe", the camera 
moved so much. 
It's been my experience that Asian cinema is much better at fast action that 
one can still follow, due to better usage of the camera, more long shots that 
let you see the total scene and the fighters whole bodies, and less frenetic 
scene shifts. Is that the case in the stuff you're watching? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:02:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life 






Added to my list. I am on somewhat of a South Korean cinema binge. Watched "A 
Dirty Carnaval (Biyeolhan geor)" last night. Overall, I didn't care much for it 
but the fight scenes were brutal and realistically choreographed. 

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Mr. Worf"  wrote: 
> 
> Movie Review: Dalkomhan Insaeng aka A Bittersweet Life, directed by Kim 
> Jee-Woon 
> 
> Made in South Korea, this is a mob story about a very sharp mob enforcer 
> named Kim. Kim’s boss runs a large hotel downtown. One evening he is asked 
> to take care of a situation in one of the private rooms in the restaurant 
> that is being held by three members of a rival gang. Kim goes into the room 
> and counts to three for them to leave. On the count of three he leaps on top 
> of the table kicking one thug in the face, while punching another. The third 
> got the worst of it with a bottle of wine to the head. This all happened in 
> the first five minutes of the film! 
> 
> Unfortunately, this set off a chain of events that slowly reveals itself as 
> the film progresses. A couple of days later, Kim’s boss asked him to keep 
> an 
> eye on his new girlfriend while he is away on a trip. She is a college age 
> woman that he suspects may be seeing someone her own age. If she was he 
> ordered Kim to kill her and her lover. After spending time following the 
> girl, and spending time with her he realizes that he couldn’t kill them, 
> and 
> orders them both not to see each other again. That may have been a big 
> mistake. 
> 
> With the boss out of town Kim makes the situation between his gang and the 
> rival gang a little more intense by not apologizing to the Jr. Boss’ son. 
> The mob never forgets no matter where you live, and Kim found that out the 
> hard way. 
> 
> The fight scenes in this movie are top notch. There were even some moments 
> that was so well done that it was hard to believe that they were 
> choreographed. They open a six pack of whip ass quick fast and in a hurry 
> in this film which adds to the realism. One of my favorite scenes in the 
> movie involves one man against a gang in a warehouse. Very good stuff. 
> 
> Pros: Good plot. Great fight scenes. Great acting. 
> 
> 3 out of 5 kicks to da head 
> Rated MA 
> 
> -- 
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! 
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ 
> 

Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in "A Star is Born"

[efhaynes]

About Tyler Perry: "Yeah, his stuff is cartoonish and predictable. Yeah, his 
villains are so bad they need Snidley Whiplash mustaches to twirl."

YES! Ha halarious!

Gerald 



Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Keith Johnson 
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:31:11 
To: 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in "A Star is Born"

I support strongly both "Precious" and Tyler Perry's films. 

The former is painful to watch, and I get that some blacks are upset that its 
overall negative portrayals will reinforce the mainstream idea of what we are 
as a people. I get that, but it's an unfortunate truth: too many young black 
people deal with abuse, broken homes, etc. So i celebrate its unblinking 
(though admittedly extreme) look at that part of the world. By the same token, 
I strongly supported "Boyz in Da Hood" and "Menace 2 Society" as tough but 
necessary looks at one aspect of black life. What I don't support is that part 
of black life become the only thing shown on screen. After a while, the glut of 
"in da hood" flicks became too much and too one-sided. 

That's one reason I support Tyler Perry. Yeah, his stuff is cartoonish and 
predictable. Yeah, his villains are so bad they need Snidley Whiplash mustaches 
to twirl. But he also conveys a strong sense of family, and that there's 
nothing wrong with having a spiritual life. He also tackles in his own way the 
very negative images of blacks: showing in one film that for all the negative 
stereotypes of us that exist (which he showcases), there are many more positive 
ones. So that drug dealer or wife beater or child abuser is shown as only one 
jacked up aspect of black life, and the aunts, uncles, best friends, and 
cousins are shown as the positive side that are often overlooked. The broken 
family isn't the all, if only the hapless man or woman can find the strength to 
lean on that good family just waiting to embrace him or her. The fancy player 
is shown to be a fool, and the good, steady guy is shown to not only be 
desirable, but more importantly, present, if only black women (and white 
producers) would look for him. 
His skills as a writer are arguable, but Perry shows movies in which black 
people have morals, strong families, jobs, a strong, positive spiritual life, 
and don't have to lean on or marry white people to be successful. Indeed, one 
reason Perry had to do his own thing is because the Hollywood suits doubted his 
movies would have widespread appeal. He has whites in his cast, true, but the 
movies still center around black-on-black love, which is still too lacking in 
H'wood. 

I'm wondering what else is needed for black directors to go through the door as 
you mentioned. We've had Spike Lee, the Hughes and Hudlin brothers, and Tyler 
Perry. We've had Will Smith, Denzel Washington, Halle Berry, and and a host of 
other black actors and actresses. So why is black love still rare on the big 
screen? Why is H'Wood still focusing on white male fantasies of getting black 
women, while ignoring black male love interests? 
Why are the only black movies that show black romantic love things like "Brown 
Sugar". "Love Jones", etc., with actors that sometimes are considered 
B-listers? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Street"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:00:52 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in "A Star is Born" 






The diaspora has space for positive and negative movies. I think Precious is 
great film and everyone did a great job regardless of the subject matter. Cause 
a Tyler Perry pic is all we seen to get these days and we are not talking about 
any real topics. So I hope Precious allows other blk directors a foot in the 
door. Cause it seems we have all disappeared. 


On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 









You're right, but that goes back to my whole original point: H'Wood caters to 
prejudices and blacks suffer. At some point, doing what's easy and quickly 
profitable turns into stagnation and resistance to change. It's why in 2010 we 
still have major discussions about why "Precious" gets all the raves, but the 
mainstream ignores movies with blacks in more positive roles. 
Sorry, off my soapbox now! :) I wanna go read up on your quantum entanglement 
post. 





- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 11:13:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in "A Star is Born" 






Movie making isn't reality. They are shooting for stars that will have a big 
draw. If it wasn't Russell Crowe it would have been Depp, or some other white 
guy. Two black people in the roles would equal a "BLACK MOVIE." Having one of 
each equals a cross over. 


On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Keith Johnson < keit

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life

[Mr. Worf]

I think that what is missing from American films is the sense of newness.
Most of the films are shot the same way and have been pretty much the same
since the 1990s. No one is trying new angles or techniques in this country.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:02 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> Added to my list.  I am on somewhat of a South Korean cinema binge.
>  Watched "A Dirty Carnaval (Biyeolhan geor)" last night.  Overall, I didn't
> care much for it but the fight scenes were brutal and realistically
> choreographed.
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > Movie Review: Dalkomhan Insaeng aka A Bittersweet Life, directed by Kim
> > Jee-Woon
> >
> > Made in South Korea, this is a mob story about a very sharp mob enforcer
> > named Kim. Kim’s boss runs a large hotel downtown. One evening he is
> asked
> > to take care of a situation in one of the private rooms in the restaurant
> > that is being held by three members of a rival gang.  Kim goes into the
> room
> > and counts to three for them to leave. On the count of three he leaps on
> top
> > of the table kicking one thug in the face, while punching another. The
> third
> > got the worst of it with a bottle of wine to the head. This all happened
> in
> > the first five minutes of the film!
> >
> > Unfortunately, this set off a chain of events that slowly reveals itself
> as
> > the film progresses. A couple of days later, Kim’s boss asked him to
> keep an
> > eye on his new girlfriend while he is away on a trip. She is a college
> age
> > woman that he suspects may be seeing someone her own age.  If she was he
> > ordered Kim to kill her and her lover. After spending time following the
> > girl, and spending time with her he realizes that he couldn’t kill
> them, and
> > orders them both not to see each other again. That may have been a big
> > mistake.
> >
> > With the boss out of town Kim makes the situation between his gang and
> the
> > rival gang a little more intense by not apologizing to the Jr. Boss’
> son.
> > The mob never forgets no matter where you live, and Kim found that out
> the
> > hard way.
> >
> > The fight scenes in this movie are top notch. There were even some
> moments
> > that was so well done that it was hard to believe that they were
> > choreographed.  They open a six pack of whip ass quick fast and in a
> hurry
> > in this film which adds to the realism. One of my favorite scenes in the
> > movie involves one man against a gang in a warehouse. Very good stuff.
> >
> > Pros: Good plot. Great fight scenes. Great acting.
> >
> > 3 out of 5 kicks to da head
> > Rated MA
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Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in "A Star is Born"

[Mr. Worf]

Because it is a subtle manipulation of the audience. I think the last movie
like that I saw was Eraser with Ahnald and Vanessa Williams.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Why is that?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 11:33:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in "A Star is Born"
>
>
>
> That's automatic for me. I never watch movies like that.
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Mike Street wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I'm gonna have to Boycott this pic. It just sounds like they are going for
>> too much.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Movie making isn't reality. They are shooting for stars that will have a
>>> big draw. If it wasn't Russell Crowe it would have been Depp, or some other
>>> white guy. Two black people in the roles would equal a "BLACK MOVIE." Having
>>> one of each equals a cross over.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Keith Johnson >> > wrote:
>>>


 Worf, case in point (although i know you weren't arguing against
 prejudice in H'Wood). With all the people out there who could be cast
 opposite Knowles, they skip all the potential black men to pair her up with
 a white dude? I'm already reading some stuff hailing the "bold" move of the
 interracial relationship. Got nothing against that, but again, in a world
 where black-on-black love doesn't get much play on the big screen...

 Yes indeed, we must make our own stuff...

 **

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/feb/09/russell-crowe-beyonce-star-is-born

 In what may strike cynics as a case of life imitating art, Russell
 Crowe  looks set to take a
 leading role in A Star Is Born, a remake of the classic Hollywood melodrama
 about a fading, drunken superstar who finds himself eclipsed by a younger
 model. The former Gladiator star is reportedly in talks to appear alongside
 Beyoncé  in the Warner Bros
 production.

 The original 1937 version starred Fredric March and Janet Gaynor as an
 aging Hollywood actor and the bright young ingenue he takes under his wing.
 The film was remade in 1954 with James Mason and Judy Garland. The hugely
 successful 1976 version cast Barbra Streisand alongside Kris Kristoffersson
 and re-routed the story from the film industry to the music business. Elvis
 Presley was initially approached to take the Kristoffersson role but
 reportedly bailed out after he was refused top billing.

 The latest overhaul apparently casts Crowe as a down-on-his-luck
 musician who embarks on an affair with a rising young singer. Nick
 Cassavetes is pencilled in to direct, while the supporting cast will be
 fleshed out by the likes of Mad Men mainstay John Hamm and singers Alicia
 Keys and Rihanna.

 Crowe, now 45, won a best actor Oscar for his role in Gladiator. His
 recent films include Cinderella Man, American Gangster, Body of Lies and
 State of Play. He will next be seen as the hero in Ridley Scott's
 revisionist take on Robin 
 Hood
 .






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Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in "A Star is Born"

[Keith Johnson]

I support strongly both "Precious" and Tyler Perry's films. 

The former is painful to watch, and I get that some blacks are upset that its 
overall negative portrayals will reinforce the mainstream idea of what we are 
as a people. I get that, but it's an unfortunate truth: too many young black 
people deal with abuse, broken homes, etc. So i celebrate its unblinking 
(though admittedly extreme) look at that part of the world. By the same token, 
I strongly supported "Boyz in Da Hood" and "Menace 2 Society" as tough but 
necessary looks at one aspect of black life. What I don't support is that part 
of black life become the only thing shown on screen. After a while, the glut of 
"in da hood" flicks became too much and too one-sided. 

That's one reason I support Tyler Perry. Yeah, his stuff is cartoonish and 
predictable. Yeah, his villains are so bad they need Snidley Whiplash mustaches 
to twirl. But he also conveys a strong sense of family, and that there's 
nothing wrong with having a spiritual life. He also tackles in his own way the 
very negative images of blacks: showing in one film that for all the negative 
stereotypes of us that exist (which he showcases), there are many more positive 
ones. So that drug dealer or wife beater or child abuser is shown as only one 
jacked up aspect of black life, and the aunts, uncles, best friends, and 
cousins are shown as the positive side that are often overlooked. The broken 
family isn't the all, if only the hapless man or woman can find the strength to 
lean on that good family just waiting to embrace him or her. The fancy player 
is shown to be a fool, and the good, steady guy is shown to not only be 
desirable, but more importantly, present, if only black women (and white 
producers) would look for him. 
His skills as a writer are arguable, but Perry shows movies in which black 
people have morals, strong families, jobs, a strong, positive spiritual life, 
and don't have to lean on or marry white people to be successful. Indeed, one 
reason Perry had to do his own thing is because the Hollywood suits doubted his 
movies would have widespread appeal. He has whites in his cast, true, but the 
movies still center around black-on-black love, which is still too lacking in 
H'wood. 

I'm wondering what else is needed for black directors to go through the door as 
you mentioned. We've had Spike Lee, the Hughes and Hudlin brothers, and Tyler 
Perry. We've had Will Smith, Denzel Washington, Halle Berry, and and a host of 
other black actors and actresses. So why is black love still rare on the big 
screen? Why is H'Wood still focusing on white male fantasies of getting black 
women, while ignoring black male love interests? 
Why are the only black movies that show black romantic love things like "Brown 
Sugar". "Love Jones", etc., with actors that sometimes are considered 
B-listers? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Street"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:00:52 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in "A Star is Born" 






The diaspora has space for positive and negative movies. I think Precious is 
great film and everyone did a great job regardless of the subject matter. Cause 
a Tyler Perry pic is all we seen to get these days and we are not talking about 
any real topics. So I hope Precious allows other blk directors a foot in the 
door. Cause it seems we have all disappeared. 


On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 









You're right, but that goes back to my whole original point: H'Wood caters to 
prejudices and blacks suffer. At some point, doing what's easy and quickly 
profitable turns into stagnation and resistance to change. It's why in 2010 we 
still have major discussions about why "Precious" gets all the raves, but the 
mainstream ignores movies with blacks in more positive roles. 
Sorry, off my soapbox now! :) I wanna go read up on your quantum entanglement 
post. 





- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 11:13:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in "A Star is Born" 






Movie making isn't reality. They are shooting for stars that will have a big 
draw. If it wasn't Russell Crowe it would have been Depp, or some other white 
guy. Two black people in the roles would equal a "BLACK MOVIE." Having one of 
each equals a cross over. 


On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Worf, case in point (although i know you weren't arguing against prejudice in 
H'Wood). With all the people out there who could be cast opposite Knowles, they 
skip all the potential black men to pair her up with a white dude? I'm already 
reading some stuff hailing the "bold" move of the interracial relationship. Got 
nothing against 

Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in "A Star is Born"

[Keith Johnson]

Why is that? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 11:33:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in "A Star is Born" 






That's automatic for me. I never watch movies like that. 


On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Mike Street < streetfor...@gmail.com > wrote: 





I'm gonna have to Boycott this pic. It just sounds like they are going for too 
much. 



On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Mr. Worf < hellomahog...@gmail.com > wrote: 









Movie making isn't reality. They are shooting for stars that will have a big 
draw. If it wasn't Russell Crowe it would have been Depp, or some other white 
guy. Two black people in the roles would equal a "BLACK MOVIE." Having one of 
each equals a cross over. 



On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Worf, case in point (although i know you weren't arguing against prejudice in 
H'Wood). With all the people out there who could be cast opposite Knowles, they 
skip all the potential black men to pair her up with a white dude? I'm already 
reading some stuff hailing the "bold" move of the interracial relationship. Got 
nothing against that, but again, in a world where black-on-black love doesn't 
get much play on the big screen... 

Yes indeed, we must make our own stuff... 

** 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/feb/09/russell-crowe-beyonce-star-is-born 



In what may strike cynics as a case of life imitating art, Russell Crowe looks 
set to take a leading role in A Star Is Born, a remake of the classic Hollywood 
melodrama about a fading, drunken superstar who finds himself eclipsed by a 
younger model. The former Gladiator star is reportedly in talks to appear 
alongside Beyoncé in the Warner Bros production. 

The original 1937 version starred Fredric March and Janet Gaynor as an aging 
Hollywood actor and the bright young ingenue he takes under his wing. The film 
was remade in 1954 with James Mason and Judy Garland. The hugely successful 
1976 version cast Barbra Streisand alongside Kris Kristoffersson and re-routed 
the story from the film industry to the music business. Elvis Presley was 
initially approached to take the Kristoffersson role but reportedly bailed out 
after he was refused top billing. 

The latest overhaul apparently casts Crowe as a down-on-his-luck musician who 
embarks on an affair with a rising young singer. Nick Cassavetes is pencilled 
in to direct, while the supporting cast will be fleshed out by the likes of Mad 
Men mainstay John Hamm and singers Alicia Keys and Rihanna. 

Crowe, now 45, won a best actor Oscar for his role in Gladiator. His recent 
films include Cinderella Man, American Gangster, Body of Lies and State of 
Play. He will next be seen as the hero in Ridley Scott's revisionist take on 
Robin Hood . 









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[scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life

[Kelwyn]

Added to my list.  I am on somewhat of a South Korean cinema binge.  Watched "A 
Dirty Carnaval (Biyeolhan geor)" last night.  Overall, I didn't care much for 
it but the fight scenes were brutal and realistically choreographed.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Movie Review: Dalkomhan Insaeng aka A Bittersweet Life, directed by Kim
> Jee-Woon
> 
> Made in South Korea, this is a mob story about a very sharp mob enforcer
> named Kim. Kim’s boss runs a large hotel downtown. One evening he is asked
> to take care of a situation in one of the private rooms in the restaurant
> that is being held by three members of a rival gang.  Kim goes into the room
> and counts to three for them to leave. On the count of three he leaps on top
> of the table kicking one thug in the face, while punching another. The third
> got the worst of it with a bottle of wine to the head. This all happened in
> the first five minutes of the film!
> 
> Unfortunately, this set off a chain of events that slowly reveals itself as
> the film progresses. A couple of days later, Kim’s boss asked him to keep an
> eye on his new girlfriend while he is away on a trip. She is a college age
> woman that he suspects may be seeing someone her own age.  If she was he
> ordered Kim to kill her and her lover. After spending time following the
> girl, and spending time with her he realizes that he couldn’t kill them, and
> orders them both not to see each other again. That may have been a big
> mistake.
> 
> With the boss out of town Kim makes the situation between his gang and the
> rival gang a little more intense by not apologizing to the Jr. Boss’ son.
> The mob never forgets no matter where you live, and Kim found that out the
> hard way.
> 
> The fight scenes in this movie are top notch. There were even some moments
> that was so well done that it was hard to believe that they were
> choreographed.  They open a six pack of whip ass quick fast and in a hurry
> in this film which adds to the realism. One of my favorite scenes in the
> movie involves one man against a gang in a warehouse. Very good stuff.
> 
> Pros: Good plot. Great fight scenes. Great acting.
> 
> 3 out of 5 kicks to da head
> Rated MA
> 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Samuel Delany's 70-Year Romance Novel Coming This Fall

[Amy Harlib]

ahar...@earthlink.net
This is very good news indeed!
Cheers!
Amy
  Subject: [scifinoir2] Samuel Delany's 70-Year Romance Novel Coming This Fall





   

  - http://io9.com/5467952/samuel-delanys-70+year-romance-novel-coming-this-fall

   

  You think your love affair is long lasting? Your romance is but an eyeblink 
compared to that of the characters in Samuel R. Delany's new novel - which is 
finally coming out this fall.

  When we interviewed Delany a while back, he was excited about his new novel, 
Through The Valley Of The Nest Of Spiders, but didn't yet have a publisher or 
release date. He described it to us:

  In a way, it's a very simple story, just about two working-class gay men, who 
meet when they're seventeen and nineteen, living on the coast of Georgia. They 
meet in 2007, and they stay together for the next 80 years, until one of them 
dies. Now you tell me whether that's science fiction or not. It definitely goes 
into the future, but on the other hand, they're absolutely out of the center of 
life, and things progress where they live, very very slowly. And they hear 
about things that are going on outside. They live on coastal part of Georgia in 
a little town that does go through cycles of being a semi-popular tourist spot 
in the summers, and then some years, nobody bothers to come at all. Eventually 
they move to a little island off the coast, and a little lesbian art colony 
starts up on the island. And they wonder if they're not being crowded out of 
their new home. But they're very fond of some of the people who live there, and 
some of the people who live there are very fond of them.

  Delany just appeared on the Cover To Cover podcast, and revealed that Nest Of 
Spiders is coming out this fall, from Alyson Books. Writes Matthew Cheney:

  It was the first time I'd publicly heard the release date of Chip's new 
novel, Through the Valley of the Nest of Spiders, which is scheduled to be 
releaed in November from Alyson Books, where the great Don Weise, who was the 
editor for Dark Reflections, is now the publisher. A version of part of the new 
novel appeared in Black Clock 7 a few years ago, and Chip read some of it aloud 
at Readercon this past summer. It tells the story of the relationship of two 
men, starting in 2007 and continuing for about seventy years into the future.

  So now I guess it's 70 years, rather than 80 years. In either case, I'm still 
dying to read this novel.

   

  Send an email to Charlie Jane Anders, the author of this post, at 
charliej...@io9.com. 

   




  


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[scifinoir2] Samuel Delany's 70-Year Romance Novel Coming This Fall

[Tracey de Morsella]

 

-
http://io9.com/5467952/samuel-delanys-70+year-romance-novel-coming-this-fall

 

You think your love affair is long lasting? Your romance is but an eyeblink
compared to that of the characters in Samuel R. Delany's new novel - which
is finally coming out this fall.

When we interviewed Delany a while back, he was excited about his new novel,
Through The Valley Of The Nest Of Spiders, but didn't yet have a publisher
or release date. He described it to us:

In a way, it's a very simple story, just about two working-class gay men,
who meet when they're seventeen and nineteen, living on the coast of
Georgia. They meet in 2007, and they stay together for the next 80 years,
until one of them dies. Now you tell me whether that's science fiction or
not. It definitely goes into the future, but on the other hand, they're
absolutely out of the center of life, and things progress where they live,
very very slowly. And they hear about things that are going on outside. They
live on coastal part of Georgia in a little town that does go through cycles
of being a semi-popular tourist spot in the summers, and then some years,
nobody bothers to come at all. Eventually they move to a little island off
the coast, and a little lesbian art colony starts up on the island. And they
wonder if they're not being crowded out of their new home. But they're very
fond of some of the people who live there, and some of the people who live
there are very fond of them.

Delany just appeared on
  the Cover To
Cover podcast, and revealed that Nest Of Spiders is coming out this fall,
from Alyson Books. Writes
  Matthew Cheney:

It was the first time I'd publicly heard the release date of Chip's new
novel, Through the Valley of the Nest of Spiders, which is scheduled to be
releaed in November from Alyson Books, where the great Don Weise, who was
the editor for Dark Reflections, is now the publisher. A version of part of
the new novel appeared in Black Clock 7 a few years ago, and Chip read some
of it aloud at Readercon this past summer. It tells the story of the
relationship of two men, starting in 2007 and continuing for about seventy
years into the future.

So now I guess it's 70 years, rather than 80 years. In either case, I'm
still dying to read this novel.

 

Send an email to Charlie Jane Anders, the author of this post, at
charliej...@io9.com
 .