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Hmm...Sorry, but I'm not feeling Cher as Catwoman...However, it would be intersting to see how she handles the role...Hey, I was wrong about Tom Cruise in Interview With the Vampire... -See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Wed, 8/27/08, moondancerdrake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: moondancerdrake [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 8:04 AM Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
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I guess we have to wait and see how this all plays out. I would love to see the true dynamic she would bring but my vote is still for Angelina Jolie. Cher isn't even on my voting ticket for this movie. But I'm sure they won't waste any time cranking out another movie since the box office is about to get very dry. Cause looking at the fall movie preview there is nothing I want to see at all. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You see folks...thats the point. She will make a perfect Catwoman. Her persona is uncommonly creepy and vain...perfect for a Nolan catwoman... i say thumbs up.. c w m On 8/25/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, the horror! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, StreetForce1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: - Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
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Jolie is 1. Great actor but overly sexual and would basically be the conceptual next step in the same direction for Catwoman 2. A star that is bigger than just about every movie she is in. She would eclipse whatever character she plays and any of her co-stars. 3. The best actors in Nolans Batman all played supporting roles. She would have to play maybe Bruce Wayne's girlfriend (think Drew Barrymore) and have maybe 3 scenes. 4. Cost too much. On 8/27/08, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we have to wait and see how this all plays out. I would love to see the true dynamic she would bring but my vote is still for Angelina Jolie. Cher isn't even on my voting ticket for this movie. But I'm sure they won't waste any time cranking out another movie since the box office is about to get very dry. Cause looking at the fall movie preview there is nothing I want to see at all. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED]clockworkman%40gmail.com wrote: You see folks...thats the point. She will make a perfect Catwoman. Her persona is uncommonly creepy and vain...perfect for a Nolan catwoman... i say thumbs up.. c w m On 8/25/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] ravenadal%40yahoo.com wrote: Oh, the horror! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, StreetForce1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: - Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
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We should keep in mind that Christian Bale was a great casting choice, but have we forgotten that Katie Holmes was also in the first picture and they didn't do THAT great a job at replacing her in the second. Nolan's eye is clearly better for men. Cher is a bad choice. Cher is not jumping off nobody's damn building with a whip, nobody's going to believe it. And that's that. I'm totally prepared to take the beatdown that will come after I say this, but this is Kandyse McClure's role all day. Catwoman has to look good in the suit, and out of the suit...and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:20 AM, B. Smith wrote: I guess the next Catwoman will be a cougar. Sorry, couldn't resist. i guess Madonna was too busy for the role. Ok, I'll stop now. I guess Nolan will have a different take than the traditional Catwoman. The sexual tension between the two will definitely have very different overtones than other portrayals. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, moondancerdrake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
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--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. Dude Say what you want about Cher but you can't complain about her acting. She's won an Academy award and been nominated at least two times. Her performances in Mask and Silkwood are TOP NOTCH. Cher may not be your choice but the woman has serious acting skill. Bosco
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
That's the point I keep making, especially points 2 and 3. I think the focus on who the next Batman villain (and actor or actress playing him or her) is the wrong focus. Now the movie's more about the villain, the actor who gets the role, and that performance. It should be about the *story*, how will Nolan resolve teh end of two, with Batman not in a good place. And, what villian(s) would enhance that story, not who or what the fans want, or who'd be cool. Do the story first, find the villain that fills that story, and then find the actor who plays that villain best. That's who we got Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow, definitely not mainstream villains, and how Nolan resisted the pull to make Joker the villain in the first flick. Jolie would overshadow the role by virtue of who she is, and then we're back to that stunt casting I hate. I feel the same about Katie Holmes and Maggie Gillenhaal. They were chosen more for being known, in my opinion, than for being perfect for the roles. I can think of half a dozen actresses who've appeared on shows like Angel or Supernatural who would have been better fits. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jolie is 1. Great actor but overly sexual and would basically be the conceptual next step in the same direction for Catwoman 2. A star that is bigger than just about every movie she is in. She would eclipse whatever character she plays and any of her co-stars. 3. The best actors in Nolans Batman all played supporting roles. She would have to play maybe Bruce Wayne's girlfriend (think Drew Barrymore) and have maybe 3 scenes. 4. Cost too much. On 8/27/08, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we have to wait and see how this all plays out. I would love to see the true dynamic she would bring but my vote is still for Angelina Jolie. Cher isn't even on my voting ticket for this movie. But I'm sure they won't waste any time cranking out another movie since the box office is about to get very dry. Cause looking at the fall movie preview there is nothing I want to see at all. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You see folks...thats the point. She will make a perfect Catwoman. Her persona is uncommonly creepy and vain...perfect for a Nolan catwoman... i say thumbs up.. c w m On 8/25/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, the horror! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, StreetForce1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: - Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
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I dont think any other the actors from Angel or Supernatural have the gravitas to act in this movie. The girlfriend role had to be someone that could act as a peer and not a subordinate to the playboy Wayne character. On 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the point I keep making, especially points 2 and 3. I think the focus on who the next Batman villain (and actor or actress playing him or her) is the wrong focus. Now the movie's more about the villain, the actor who gets the role, and that performance. It should be about the *story*, how will Nolan resolve teh end of two, with Batman not in a good place. And, what villian(s) would enhance that story, not who or what the fans want, or who'd be cool. Do the story first, find the villain that fills that story, and then find the actor who plays that villain best. That's who we got Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow, definitely not mainstream villains, and how Nolan resisted the pull to make Joker the villain in the first flick. Jolie would overshadow the role by virtue of who she is, and then we're back to that stunt casting I hate. I feel the same about Katie Holmes and Maggie Gillenhaal. They were chosen more for being known, in my opinion, than for being perfect for the roles. I can think of half a dozen actresses who've appeared on shows like Angel or Supernatural who would have been better fits. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jolie is 1. Great actor but overly sexual and would basically be the conceptual next step in the same direction for Catwoman 2. A star that is bigger than just about every movie she is in. She would eclipse whatever character she plays and any of her co-stars. 3. The best actors in Nolans Batman all played supporting roles. She would have to play maybe Bruce Wayne's girlfriend (think Drew Barrymore) and have maybe 3 scenes. 4. Cost too much. On 8/27/08, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we have to wait and see how this all plays out. I would love to see the true dynamic she would bring but my vote is still for Angelina Jolie. Cher isn't even on my voting ticket for this movie. But I'm sure they won't waste any time cranking out another movie since the box office is about to get very dry. Cause looking at the fall movie preview there is nothing I want to see at all. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED]clockworkman%40gmail.com wrote: You see folks...thats the point. She will make a perfect Catwoman. Her persona is uncommonly creepy and vain...perfect for a Nolan catwoman... i say thumbs up.. c w m On 8/25/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] ravenadal%40yahoo.com wrote: Oh, the horror! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, StreetForce1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip BR blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via W ENN.] Things you can do from here: - Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
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I don't see McClure as Catwoman at all, but I applaud your approach, which is to avoid going for big name stars--whatever their age. No Jolie, or Anniston, no Kidman or Paltrow or anyone else currently or recently on the A- list right now. -- Original message -- From: Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] We should keep in mind that Christian Bale was a great casting choice, but have we forgotten that Katie Holmes was also in the first picture and they didn't do THAT great a job at replacing her in the second. Nolan's eye is clearly better for men. Cher is a bad choice. Cher is not jumping off nobody's damn building with a whip, nobody's going to believe it. And that's that. I'm totally prepared to take the beatdown that will come after I say this, but this is Kandyse McClure's role all day. Catwoman has to look good in the suit, and out of the suit...and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:20 AM, B. Smith wrote: I guess the next Catwoman will be a cougar. Sorry, couldn't resist. i guess Madonna was too busy for the role. Ok, I'll stop now. I guess Nolan will have a different take than the traditional Catwoman. The sexual tension between the two will definitely have very different overtones than other portrayals. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, moondancerdrake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
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Oh, I disagree. I just used those two shows as examples, but between them there were dozens of actresses. My main point is there's a huge source of TV and movie actresses from which to pull, without only thinking of Jolie, Berry, etc. Again, i'm not even necessarily talking about the main stars of those shows. I'm thinking of the many guest stars who did a good job. That's the point: move far afield, don't just look at headliners and stars. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dont think any other the actors from Angel or Supernatural have the gravitas to act in this movie. The girlfriend role had to be someone that could act as a peer and not a subordinate to the playboy Wayne character. On 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the point I keep making, especially points 2 and 3. I think the focus on who the next Batman villain (and actor or actress playing him or her) is the wrong focus. Now the movie's more about the villain, the actor who gets the role, and that performance. It should be about the *story*, how will Nolan resolve teh end of two, with Batman not in a good place. And, what villian(s) would enhance that story, not who or what the fans want, or who'd be cool. Do the story first, find the villain that fills that story, and then find the actor who plays that villain best. That's who we got Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow, definitely not mainstream villains, and how Nolan resisted the pull to make Joker the villain in the first flick. Jolie would overshadow the role by virtue of who she is, and then we're back to that stunt casting I hate. I feel the same about Katie Holmes and Maggie Gillenhaal. They were chosen more for being known, in my opinion, than for being perfect for the roles. I can think of half a dozen actresses who've appeared on shows like Angel or Supernatural who would have been better fits. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jolie is 1. Great actor but overly sexual and would basically be the conceptual next step in the same direction for Catwoman 2. A star that is bigger than just about every movie she is in. She would eclipse whatever character she plays and any of her co-stars. 3. The best actors in Nolans Batman all played supporting roles. She would have to play maybe Bruce Wayne's girlfriend (think Drew Barrymore) and have maybe 3 scenes. 4. Cost too much. On 8/27/08, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we have to wait and see how this all plays out. I would love to see the true dynamic she would bring but my vote is still for Angelina Jolie. Cher isn't even on my voting ticket for this movie. But I'm sure they won't waste any time cranking out another movie since the box office is about to get very dry. Cause looking at the fall movie preview there is nothing I want to see at all. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You see folks...thats the point. She will make a perfect Catwoman. Her persona is uncommonly creepy and vain...perfect for a Nolan catwoman... i say thumbs up.. c w m On 8/25/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, the horror! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, StreetForce1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip BR blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via W ENN.] Things you can do from here: - Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
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I agree with not doing some CW hot body of the moment, but there are some good actresses in other TV shows. What did Cotillard say about 9/11? I've been meaning to see the movie she starred in. She was a surprise Oscar winner for that, no? -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] At least he isn't picking someone from the hot CW show of the moment. There was some fanart that had Marion Cotillard from La Vie En Rose as Catwoman. An insprired choice but not likely considering her 9/11 comments. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see McClure as Catwoman at all, but I applaud your approach, which is to avoid going for big name stars--whatever their age. No Jolie, or Anniston, no Kidman or Paltrow or anyone else currently or recently on the A- list right now. -- Original message -- From: Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] We should keep in mind that Christian Bale was a great casting choice, but have we forgotten that Katie Holmes was also in the first picture and they didn't do THAT great a job at replacing her in the second. Nolan's eye is clearly better for men. Cher is a bad choice. Cher is not jumping off nobody's damn building with a whip, nobody's going to believe it. And that's that. I'm totally prepared to take the beatdown that will come after I say this, but this is Kandyse McClure's role all day. Catwoman has to look good in the suit, and out of the suit...and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:20 AM, B. Smith wrote: I guess the next Catwoman will be a cougar. Sorry, couldn't resist. i guess Madonna was too busy for the role. Ok, I'll stop now. I guess Nolan will have a different take than the traditional Catwoman. The sexual tension between the two will definitely have very different overtones than other portrayals. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
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What it seems like to me Mr. Lockhart is that you are fixated on the idea of Catwoman being this foxy...sex symbol. Cher is a sex symbol but her persona on screen would come accross as very unsettling... not even playing a cougar but a Kiss of the Spiderwoman/Black Widow kind of Catwoman. Think of this scifinoir folks... When you think of a woman with alot of cats you think of a very insular and lonely individual. What if this person had some kind of influence...or power over people? Creepy, scary...Nolan c w m On 8/27/08, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the Hollywood saying goes...Ben Affleck has an Oscar. And then you're supposed to roll your eyes. We all have opinions about good actors/actresses, they are all correct, and I apologize to anyone I have offended by saying that Cher is a bad choice. But in terms of this project, Cher is a bad choice for Catwoman. If we're gonna pull people who gave great acting performances 20 years ago let's just go get Catherine Mary Stewart for the role. Cher has not made me believe she was anyone but Cher in any role she has ever played. She is a movie star, yes. And a famous one. And a talented performer. I like her, but this role is very specific. This ain't 1986 when you can just get a famous person and put them in the outfit. hey have to be able to pull it off. For me, for THIS ROLE: No way, No how. No Cher. ;) Daryle On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Bosco Bosco wrote: --- On *Wed, 8/27/08, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote:and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. Dude Say what you want about Cher but you can't complain about her acting. She's won an Academy award and been nominated at least two times. Her performances in Mask and Silkwood are TOP NOTCH. Cher may not be your choice but the woman has serious acting skill. Bosco -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
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You are wrong again Mr Keith... There are only a handful of women that could share the screen with Christian Bale without seeming like some random hot chick. We are talking about actresses that can actually act Outside of Kristen Bell... The CW cannot, will not and does not create talented actresses... Get over the fact that they are hot...none of them can act... Period. c w m On 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I disagree. I just used those two shows as examples, but between them there were dozens of actresses. My main point is there's a huge source of TV and movie actresses from which to pull, without only thinking of Jolie, Berry, etc. Again, i'm not even necessarily talking about the main stars of those shows. I'm thinking of the many guest stars who did a good job. That's the point: move far afield, don't just look at headliners and stars. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dont think any other the actors from Angel or Supernatural have the gravitas to act in this movie. The girlfriend role had to be someone that could act as a peer and not a subordinate to the playboy Wayne character. On 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the point I keep making, especially points 2 and 3. I think the focus on who the next Batman villain (and actor or actress playing him or her) is the wrong focus. Now the movie's more about the villain, the actor who gets the role, and that performance. It should be about the *story*, how will Nolan resolve teh end of two, with Batman not in a good place. And, what villian(s) would enhance that story, not who or what the fans want, or who'd be cool. Do the story first, find the villain that fills that story, and then find the actor who plays that villain best. That's who we got Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow, definitely not mainstream villains, and how Nolan resisted the pull to make Joker the villain in the first flick. Jolie would overshadow the role by virtue of who she is, and then we're back to that stunt casting I hate. I feel the same about Katie Holmes and Maggie Gillenhaal. They were chosen more for being known, in my opinion, than for being perfect for the roles. I can think of half a dozen actresses who've appeared on shows like Angel or Supernatural who would have been better fits. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jolie is 1. Great actor but overly sexual and would basically be the conceptual next step in the same direction for Catwoman 2. A star that is bigger than just about every movie she is in. She would eclipse whatever character she plays and any of her co-stars. 3. The best actors in Nolans Batman all played supporting roles. She would have to play maybe Bruce Wayne's girlfriend (think Drew Barrymore) and have maybe 3 scenes. 4. Cost too much. On 8/27/08, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we have to wait and see how this all plays out. I would love to see the true dynamic she would bring but my vote is still for Angelina Jolie. Cher isn't even on my voting ticket for this movie. But I'm sure they won't waste any time cranking out another movie since the box office is about to get very dry. Cause looking at the fall movie preview there is nothing I want to see at all. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED]clockworkman%40gmail.com wrote: You see folks...thats the point. She will make a perfect Catwoman. Her persona is uncommonly creepy and vain...perfect for a Nolan catwoman... i say thumbs up.. c w m On 8/25/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] ravenadal%40yahoo.com wrote: Oh, the horror! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, StreetForce1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywo od gossip BR blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via W ENN.] Things you can do from here: - Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all
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Again, you miss me sir! :) I didn't limit to the CW, I said *all* of TV and the movies: NBC, CBS, Fox, indie films, major film studios, Showtime, HBO. I only threw out Supernatural and Angel as an example. My point is that whenever we talk of someone playing a pivotal role in a movie, we talk about half a dozen or so men and women who've made it to the A-list. But then we shoehorn characters into the shapes of the actors. It doesn't have to be Jolie even discussed. Surely you're not saying that all the TV stations--again, don't just think CW--can't produce an actress good enough to play Catwoman? I have seen 'em for darn sure. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are wrong again Mr Keith... There are only a handful of women that could share the screen with Christian Bale without seeming like some random hot chick. We are talking about actresses that can actually act Outside of Kristen Bell... The CW cannot, will not and does not create talented actresses... Get over the fact that they are hot...none of them can act... Period. c w m On 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I disagree. I just used those two shows as examples, but between them there were dozens of actresses. My main point is there's a huge source of TV and movie actresses from which to pull, without only thinking of Jolie, Berry, etc. Again, i'm not even necessarily talking about the main stars of those shows. I'm thinking of the many guest stars who did a good job. That's the point: move far afield, don't just look at headliners and stars. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dont think any other the actors from Angel or Supernatural have the gravitas to act in this movie. The girlfriend role had to be someone that could act as a peer and not a subordinate to the playboy Wayne character. On 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the point I keep making, especially points 2 and 3. I think the focus on who the next Batman villain (and actor or actress playing him or her) is the wrong focus. Now the movie's more about the villain, the actor who gets the role, and that performance. It should be about the *story*, how will Nolan resolve teh end of two, with Batman not in a good place. And, what villian(s) would enhance that story, not who or what the fans want, or who'd be cool. Do the story first, find the villain that fills that story, and then find the actor who plays that villain best. That's who we got Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow, definitely not mainstream villains, and how Nolan resisted the pull to make Joker the villain in the first flick. Jolie would overshadow the role by virtue of who she is, and then we're back to that stunt casting I hate. I feel the same about Katie Holmes and Maggie Gillenhaal. They were chosen more for being known, in my opinion, than for being perfect for the roles. I can think of half a dozen actresses who've appeared on shows like Angel or Supernatural who would have been better fits. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jolie is 1. Great actor but overly sexual and would basically be the conceptual next step in the same direction for Catwoman 2. A star that is bigger than just about every movie she is in. She would eclipse whatever character she plays and any of her co-stars. 3. The best actors in Nolans Batman all played supporting roles. She would have to play maybe Bruce Wayne's girlfriend (think Drew Barrymore) and have maybe 3 scenes. 4. Cost too much. On 8/27/08, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we have to wait and see how this all plays out. I would love to see the true dynamic she would bring but my vote is still for Angelina Jolie. Cher isn't even on my voting ticket for this movie. But I'm sure they won't waste any time cranking out another movie since the box office is about to get very dry. Cause looking at the fall movie preview there is nothing I want to see at all. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You see folks...thats the point. She will make a perfect Catwoman. Her persona is uncommonly creepy and vain...perfect for a Nolan catwoman... i say thumbs up.. c w m On 8/25/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, the horror! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, StreetForce1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywo od gossip BR blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film
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The older men/younger women equivalent is called mid life crisis. Not sure what the crisis is in dating younger women, but then...I never liked the younger woman look...even when I was young. So I guess I've always been a cougar fan. On Aug 27, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Meta wrote: What exactly does the term 'cougar' mean? I just saw this on a story on Yahoo about older women/younger men couples and. I've never heard the term before. Is there a older men/younger women equivalent? Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the next Catwoman will be a cougar. Sorry, couldn't resist. i guess Madonna was too busy for the role. Ok, I'll stop now. I guess Nolan will have a different take than the traditional Catwoman. The sexual tension between the two will definitely have very different overtones than other portrayals. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
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Actually the older man/younger woman thing is called normal. Ever glom many movies or TV sitcoms? How often do you see an older and/or plain looking guy paired with a younger, more attractive woman? From Newhart to King of Queens to Yes, Dear and According to Jim, you get older dudes with yiounger women. The dudes are often out of shape, overweight, balding. Old. The women, younger, in shape. When's the last time Jack Nicholson had a love interest his age, other than the movie with Dianne Keaton where it was a novelty? Even Denzel Washington has gotten some young women in some recent flicks. -- Original message -- From: Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] The older men/younger women equivalent is called mid life crisis. Not sure what the crisis is in dating younger women, but then...I never liked the younger woman look...even when I was young. So I guess I've always been a cougar fan. On Aug 27, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Meta wrote: What exactly does the term 'cougar' mean? I just saw this on a story on Yahoo about older women/younger men couples and. I've never heard the term before. Is there a older men/younger women equivalent? Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the next Catwoman will be a cougar. Sorry, couldn't resist. i guess Madonna was too busy for the role. Ok, I'll stop now. I guess Nolan will have a different take than the traditional Catwoman. The sexual tension between the two will definitely have very different overtones than other portrayals. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
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I am always fixated on some foxy sex symbol. But that's not what my casting choice is about. It's about the fact that eventually Catwoman and Batman become romantically involved...if they stay in Dark Knight mode. there is a chemistry that should be interesting to watch on screen. What you are describing is Angelica Houston as Catwoman, which is interesting, I think, but not great opposite Christian Bale. Your Catwoman is really brilliant, but power-mad and stylistically challenged...sort of Condoleeza Rice without the government contacts. Then something happens and she snaps and takes on the personality of the cats she was surrounded with. I'm gonna go with the foxy sex symbol. And I'm not being age-ist. I'm being look-ist! On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Omari Confer wrote: What it seems like to me Mr. Lockhart is that you are fixated on the idea of Catwoman being this foxy...sex symbol. Cher is a sex symbol but her persona on screen would come accross as very unsettling... not even playing a cougar but a Kiss of the Spiderwoman/Black Widow kind of Catwoman. Think of this scifinoir folks... When you think of a woman with alot of cats you think of a very insular and lonely individual. What if this person had some kind of influence...or power over people? Creepy, scary...Nolan c w m On 8/27/08, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the Hollywood saying goes...Ben Affleck has an Oscar. And then you're supposed to roll your eyes. We all have opinions about good actors/actresses, they are all correct, and I apologize to anyone I have offended by saying that Cher is a bad choice. But in terms of this project, Cher is a bad choice for Catwoman. If we're gonna pull people who gave great acting performances 20 years ago let's just go get Catherine Mary Stewart for the role. Cher has not made me believe she was anyone but Cher in any role she has ever played. She is a movie star, yes. And a famous one. And a talented performer. I like her, but this role is very specific. This ain't 1986 when you can just get a famous person and put them in the outfit. hey have to be able to pull it off. For me, for THIS ROLE: No way, No how. No Cher. ;) Daryle On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Bosco Bosco wrote: --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. Dude Say what you want about Cher but you can't complain about her acting. She's won an Academy award and been nominated at least two times. Her performances in Mask and Silkwood are TOP NOTCH. Cher may not be your choice but the woman has serious acting skill. Bosco -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
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Amazing, that she might catch flak for saying what millions of others are saying, *have* been saying for years now. Heck, I just left as forum where the question was posed, for the umpteen-billionth time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 3:46 PM http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ 2008/03/01/ marion-cotillard s-911- a_n_89398.html Oscar-winning Marion Cotillard was facing embarrasment with her new American public last night after it emerged that she doubted the official account of the September 11 attacks. The 32-year-old French star has swept this year's best actress awards, also receiving a Bafta, Golden Globe and a César for her performance as singer Edith Piaf in La Vie en Rose... But the actress faces a potential backlash in the US over comments she made in an interview in France. Footage which surfaced on the internet showed her questioning the New York terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, and the 1969 moon landing. I think we're lied to about a number of things, she said, singling out September 11. Referring to the two passenger jets flown into the World Trade Centre, Miss Cotillard said: We see other towers of the same kind being hit by planes, are they burned? There was a tower, I believe it was in Spain, which burned for 24 hours. It never collapsed. None of these towers collapsed. And there [New York], in a few minutes, the whole thing collapsed. Miss Cotillard suggested that the towers, planned in the early 1960s, were an outdated money sucker which would have cost so much to modernise that it was easier to destroy them. advertisement Turning to America's space programme, she said: Did a man really walk on the moon? I saw plenty of documentaries on it, and I really wondered. And in any case I don't believe all they tell me, that's for sure. Miss Cotillard, who was born and brought up in Paris, made the comments on Paris Première - Paris Dernière (Paris First - Paris Last), a programme first broadcast a year ago. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: I agree with not doing some CW hot body of the moment, but there are some good actresses in other TV shows. What did Cotillard say about 9/11? I've been meaning to see the movie she starred in. She was a surprise Oscar winner for that, no? -- Original message -- From: B. Smith daikaiju66@ ... At least he isn't picking someone from the hot CW show of the moment. There was some fanart that had Marion Cotillard from La Vie En Rose as Catwoman. An insprired choice but not likely considering her 9/11 comments. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I don't see McClure as Catwoman at all, but I applaud your approach, which is to avoid going for big name stars--whatever their age. No Jolie, or Anniston, no Kidman or Paltrow or anyone else currently or recently on the A- list right now. -- Original message -- From: Daryle Lockhart daryle@ We should keep in mind that Christian Bale was a great casting choice, but have we forgotten that Katie Holmes was also in the first picture and they didn't do THAT great a job at replacing her in the second. Nolan's eye is clearly better for men. Cher is a bad choice. Cher is not jumping off nobody's damn building with a whip, nobody's going to believe it. And that's that. I'm totally prepared to take the beatdown that will come after I say this, but this is Kandyse McClure's role all day. Catwoman has to look good in the suit, and out of the suit...and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:20 AM, B. Smith wrote: I guess the next Catwoman will be a cougar. Sorry, couldn't resist. i guess Madonna was too busy for the role. Ok, I'll stop now. I guess Nolan will have a different take than the traditional Catwoman. The sexual tension between the two will definitely have very different overtones than other portrayals. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
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Late presentation of the First Laugh of the Day Award goes to...rave! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Tue, 8/26/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 7:09 PM Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ ... wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ ... Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
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I like the Cher in Witches of Eastwick, that Nicolas Cage Flick, Mask, etc. That Drag Queen, plastic surgery woman terrified me From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:34 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? Whew, rave. I thought that was just me in the almost-vomiting department. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 2:48 PM Cher has always been too drag queeny for my taste (especially in those garish Bob Mackey gowns). That video (If I could turn back time)she did half-naked on the aircraft carrier almost made me physically ill - and that was NINETEEN years ago (when she was a mere kid of 44). Even Cher had the good sense to retire and stop doing farewell tours three years ago (although I hear she has signed a three year contract to impersonate herself in Vegas). ~(no)rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ ... wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
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Now you have the idea... I am assuming that Nolan will ignore the relationship between the Bat and the Cat... I hope so...its been done well already... On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I am always fixated on some foxy sex symbol. But that's not what my casting choice is about. It's about the fact that eventually Catwoman and Batman become romantically involved...if they stay in Dark Knight mode. there is a chemistry that should be interesting to watch on screen. What you are describing is Angelica Houston as Catwoman, which is interesting, I think, but not great opposite Christian Bale. Your Catwoman is really brilliant, but power-mad and stylistically challenged...sort of Condoleeza Rice without the government contacts. Then something happens and she snaps and takes on the personality of the cats she was surrounded with. I'm gonna go with the foxy sex symbol. And I'm not being age-ist. I'm being look-ist! On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Omari Confer wrote: What it seems like to me Mr. Lockhart is that you are fixated on the idea of Catwoman being this foxy...sex symbol. Cher is a sex symbol but her persona on screen would come accross as very unsettling... not even playing a cougar but a Kiss of the Spiderwoman/Black Widow kind of Catwoman. Think of this scifinoir folks... When you think of a woman with alot of cats you think of a very insular and lonely individual. What if this person had some kind of influence...or power over people? Creepy, scary...Nolan c w m On 8/27/08, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the Hollywood saying goes...Ben Affleck has an Oscar. And then you're supposed to roll your eyes. We all have opinions about good actors/actresses, they are all correct, and I apologize to anyone I have offended by saying that Cher is a bad choice. But in terms of this project, Cher is a bad choice for Catwoman. If we're gonna pull people who gave great acting performances 20 years ago let's just go get Catherine Mary Stewart for the role. Cher has not made me believe she was anyone but Cher in any role she has ever played. She is a movie star, yes. And a famous one. And a talented performer. I like her, but this role is very specific. This ain't 1986 when you can just get a famous person and put them in the outfit. hey have to be able to pull it off. For me, for THIS ROLE: No way, No how. No Cher. ;) Daryle On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Bosco Bosco wrote: --- On *Wed, 8/27/08, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote:and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. Dude Say what you want about Cher but you can't complain about her acting. She's won an Academy award and been nominated at least two times. Her performances in Mask and Silkwood are TOP NOTCH. Cher may not be your choice but the woman has serious acting skill. Bosco -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
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What I meant to say is that there are only a handful of women that have the acting chops to be opposite Bale on TV or in movies Honestly though...the only tv actresses that could do such a thingare movie stars... so I challenge you go give me 5 actresses that could hold their own with Bale... CHALLENGE On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, you miss me sir! :) I didn't limit to the CW, I said *all* of TV and the movies: NBC, CBS, Fox, indie films, major film studios, Showtime, HBO. I only threw out Supernatural and Angel as an example. My point is that whenever we talk of someone playing a pivotal role in a movie, we talk about half a dozen or so men and women who've made it to the A-list. But then we shoehorn characters into the shapes of the actors. It doesn't have to be Jolie even discussed. Surely you're not saying that all the TV stations--again, don't just think CW--can't produce an actress good enough to play Catwoman? I have seen 'em for darn sure. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are wrong again Mr Keith... There are only a handful of women that could share the screen with Christian Bale without seeming like some random hot chick. We are talking about actresses that can actually act Outside of Kristen Bell... The CW cannot, will not and does not create talented actresses... Get over the fact that they are hot...none of them can act... Period. c w m On 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I disagree. I just used those two shows as examples, but between them there were dozens of actresses. My main point is there's a huge source of TV and movie actresses from which to pull, without only thinking of Jolie, Berry, etc. Again, i'm not even necessarily talking about the main stars of those shows. I'm thinking of the many guest stars who did a good job. That's the point: move far afield, don't just look at headliners and stars. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dont think any other the actors from Angel or Supernatural have the gravitas to act in this movie. The girlfriend role had to be someone that could act as a peer and not a subordinate to the playboy Wayne character. On 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the point I keep making, especially points 2 and 3. I think the focus on who the next Batman villain (and actor or actress playing him or her) is the wrong focus. Now the movie's more about the villain, the actor who gets the role, and that performance. It should be about the *story*, how will Nolan resolve teh end of two, with Batman not in a good place. And, what villian(s) would enhance that story, not who or what the fans want, or who'd be cool. Do the story first, find the villain that fills that story, and then find the actor who plays that villain best. That's who we got Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow, definitely not mainstream villains, and how Nolan resisted the pull to make Joker the villain in the first flick. Jolie would overshadow the role by virtue of who she is, and then we're back to that stunt casting I hate. I feel the same about Katie Holmes and Maggie Gillenhaal. They were chosen more for being known, in my opinion, than for being perfect for the roles. I can think of half a dozen actresses who've appeared on shows like Angel or Supernatural who would have been better fits. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jolie is 1. Great actor but overly sexual and would basically be the conceptual next step in the same direction for Catwoman 2. A star that is bigger than just about every movie she is in. She would eclipse whatever character she plays and any of her co-stars. 3. The best actors in Nolans Batman all played supporting roles. She would have to play maybe Bruce Wayne's girlfriend (think Drew Barrymore) and have maybe 3 scenes. 4. Cost too much. On 8/27/08, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we have to wait and see how this all plays out. I would love to see the true dynamic she would bring but my vote is still for Angelina Jolie. Cher isn't even on my voting ticket for this movie. But I'm sure they won't waste any time cranking out another movie since the box office is about to get very dry. Cause looking at the fall movie preview there is nothing I want to see at all. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED]clockworkman%40gmail.com wrote: You see folks...thats the point. She will make a perfect Catwoman. Her persona is uncommonly creepy and vain...perfect for a Nolan catwoman... i say thumbs up.. c w m On 8/25/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] ravenadal%40yahoo.com wrote: Oh, the horror! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
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I find her incredibly attractive, but I sense that she'd be difficult to hang out with... -See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Wed, 8/27/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 7:01 PM Even though I don't personally find her attractive, I enjoyed Cher's work in Mask,Mermaids, Witches of Eastwick, 'Moonstruck, and Silkwood, but her entire filmography is only 12 films long and more than half of her cinematic output is not noteworthy - to be charitable. Add in the fact that she hasn't had a film role in 18 years and it makes you wonder why Nolan is dusting off this relic. ~(no)rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the Cher in Witches of Eastwick, that Nicolas Cage Flick, Mask, etc. That Drag Queen, plastic surgery woman terrified me From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? Whew, rave. I thought that was just me in the almost-vomiting department. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 2:48 PM Cher has always been too drag queeny for my taste (especially in those garish Bob Mackey gowns). That video (If I could turn back time)she did half-naked on the aircraft carrier almost made me physically ill - and that was NINETEEN years ago (when she was a mere kid of 44). Even Cher had the good sense to retire and stop doing farewell tours three years ago (although I hear she has signed a three year contract to impersonate herself in Vegas). ~(no)rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups. com ups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ ... wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups. com ups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups. com ups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
