Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
No soul food? With Oakland right there? Dude that's sad!- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:55:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Almost all of the soul food restaurants in a 50 mile radius are gone. You can't even find good bbq here anymore. The $1000 restaurant is a special "foody" event that is cooked by a "maverick" chef. My father still cooks chitterlings (or chitlin's) and other stinky fair. :) And yes, you can get a tripe burrito (and all of the other parts) here as well. They show the maverick chef on the travel channel and on the food channel once in a while. I think he is famous for making poprock ice cream as a desert. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Dude, a thousand bucks for entrails, brains, and the like? Are you kidding? I've had friends, neighbors and relatives all my life who've eaten stuff like that, be it country white and black folk, or frankly, the Mexicans in Texas and here in Atlanta. I can get you tripe or brain tacos at a Mexican joint here in Atlanta lickety-split. When I was in junior high back in the '70s, I can home one day to find the whole head of a slaughtered hog sitting on the kitchen table! I asked my mom what in the world was up. She said, "Boy, your daddy got a taste for hogshead cheese!" I find it odd that the events there are considered special. In Atlanta, at least, there's been a return to eating more "real" meat for a few years now. There are lots of top-rated restaurants where entrails and the like are eaten, and it's not considered so much a special deal as a return to the parts we eat up until the '70s. And frankly, you can eat those animal parts and still be relatively healthy, as the chefs who are reviving that cooking point out that Europeans eat like this, and are still healthier than Americans. I'd have thought that cooking would have hit San Fran as well by now, and much cheaper... - Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:08:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole I agree. On top of that, the guy may be right. It may be delicious but unless you go to China you'll never know. There is a special one night only party here in San Francisco where the host will cook parts of animals that are normally not eaten by folks such as "mountain oysters" or the brain. People pay up to $1000 to eat stuff that is eaten by black folks and southerners everyday. Does anyone stick up for alligators? They made shoes, luggage, and sausages out of them for years (still do) and they taste just like chicken. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal. - Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:48:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Richard Owen in Rome � 43 Comments Beppe Bigazzi says cat is better than chicken A top Italian food writer has been suspended indefinitely from the country�s version of the television programme Ready Steady Cook for recommending stewed cat to viewers as a �succulent dish�. RAI, the public broadcasting network, said that it had dropped Beppe Bigazzi, 77, for offering the recipe on La Prova del Cuoco, which is broadcast at midday on the main channel. Its switchboard was inundated with complaints from viewers and animal rights groups. Bigazzi said that casserole of cat was a famous dish in his home
Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
There's a couple of modified soul food places and that is it. It has been a problem here for a long time. The first to go were the bbq places, followed quickly by the soul food restaurants. Most of the restaurants were ran by people that lacked time management and restaurant management skills so you could easily go in and end up waiting nearly an hour for an order. I guess people got tired of that. The restaurants that replaced the old ones were hybrid restaurants that offered food that catered to white people. So for example, instead of greens you got a dill salad or some other concoction. The rest try to make it into a $20+ a plate dinner and $15 for a small gumbo. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: No soul food? With Oakland right there? Dude that's sad! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:55:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Almost all of the soul food restaurants in a 50 mile radius are gone. You can't even find good bbq here anymore. The $1000 restaurant is a special foody event that is cooked by a maverick chef. My father still cooks chitterlings (or chitlin's) and other stinky fair. :) And yes, you can get a tripe burrito (and all of the other parts) here as well. They show the maverick chef on the travel channel and on the food channel once in a while. I think he is famous for making poprock ice cream as a desert. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Dude, a thousand bucks for entrails, brains, and the like? Are you kidding? I've had friends, neighbors and relatives all my life who've eaten stuff like that, be it country white and black folk, or frankly, the Mexicans in Texas and here in Atlanta. I can get you tripe or brain tacos at a Mexican joint here in Atlanta lickety-split. When I was in junior high back in the '70s, I can home one day to find the whole head of a slaughtered hog sitting on the kitchen table! I asked my mom what in the world was up. She said, Boy, your daddy got a taste for hogshead cheese! I find it odd that the events there are considered special. In Atlanta, at least, there's been a return to eating more real meat for a few years now. There are lots of top-rated restaurants where entrails and the like are eaten, and it's not considered so much a special deal as a return to the parts we eat up until the '70s. And frankly, you can eat those animal parts and still be relatively healthy, as the chefs who are reviving that cooking point out that Europeans eat like this, and are still healthier than Americans. I'd have thought that cooking would have hit San Fran as well by now, and much cheaper... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:08:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole I agree. On top of that, the guy may be right. It may be delicious but unless you go to China you'll never know. There is a special one night only party here in San Francisco where the host will cook parts of animals that are normally not eaten by folks such as mountain oysters or the brain. People pay up to $1000 to eat stuff that is eaten by black folks and southerners everyday. Does anyone stick up for alligators? They made shoes, luggage, and sausages out of them for years (still do) and they taste just like chicken. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:48:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
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I entirely understand that there are cultural differences planet-wide, and that such dishes may actually be in acceptance in a few places. That said, if I'd been in the room when he trotted that out, that little smirk on his face would've been down around his knees. And then I'd call about twenty friends who are cat-lovers and point him out. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/attachment: image001.jpg
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Hmmm I wonder what would have happened if they ate cat and didn't find out until later? People in France (and here) eat horse meat. I think that people look down at Asian people as being slightly less human because they eat what we would call pets. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: I entirely understand that there are cultural differences planet-wide, and that such dishes may actually be in acceptance in a few places. That said, if I'd been in the room when he trotted that out, that little smirk on his face would've been down around his knees. And then I'd call about twenty friends who are cat-lovers and point him out. -- Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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They do, actually. And it's why people like me go vegan. I don't see why I would eat a cow anymore than I would eat a cat or a dog. :( ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:48:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Richard Owen in Rome �43 Commentshttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article7029058.ece#comment-have-your-say http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article7029058.ece#none [image: Beppe Bigazzi] Beppe Bigazzi says cat is better than chicken http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/xxx A top Italian food writer has been suspended indefinitely from the country�s version of the television programme Ready Steady Cook for recommending stewed cat to viewers as a �succulent dish�. RAI, the public broadcasting network, said that it had dropped Beppe Bigazzi, 77, for offering the recipe on La Prova del Cuoco, which is broadcast at midday on the main channel. Its switchboard was inundated with complaints from viewers and animal rights groups. Bigazzi said that casserole of cat was a famous dish in his home region of Valdarno, Tuscany. �I�ve eaten it myself and it�s a lot better than many other animals,� he told viewers. �Better than chicken, rabbit or pigeon.� He said that for optimum flavour the meat should be �soaked in spring water for three days� before being stewed. Elisa Isoardi, the programme�s presenter � who has a cat called Othello � tried to steer Bigazzi off the subject. Reports said that during the commercial break she and the show�s producers tried to persuade him to apologise to viewers but he refused. Related Links �ITV fined for butchery of I�m a Celebrity rat http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article7020369.ece �Cats and dogs to be taken off menu in China http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article7003032.ece Carla Rocchi, the head of ENPA, the Italian society for the protection of animals, said that killing cats was illegal. Francesca Martini, the Deputy Health Minister, said it was �absolutely unheard of for a public service broadcaster to tell people how delicious cats are to eat�. She called for the producers to be investigated for criminal offences involving incitement to mistreat animals. Bigazzi, a consumer affairs journalist and author of Cooking with Common Sense, has been one of the stars of La Prova del Cuoco for the past ten years. He is noted for his exuberant style and previously caused uproar by boiling lobsters live on the show. Yesterday he said that he had only been joking about the recipe, and he had been misunderstood. He added: �Mind you, I wasn�t joking all that much. In the 1930s and 1940s, when I was a boy, people certainly did eat cat in the countryside around Arezzo.� Food historians said that Italians in cities such as Vicenza devised cat recipes in times of economic hardship. Inhabitants of Vicenza are still nicknamed magnagati (cat eaters), and in some butchers� shops rabbits are sold with their heads to assure buyers that they are not cats. *From pet to pot* � In his 1529 treatise on cookery, Ruperto de Nola recommended spit-roasting cat basted with garlic and olive oil. He wrote: �Take the garlic with oil mixed with good broth so that it is coarse, and pour it over the cat and you can eat it for it is a good dish� �
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Honestly? This. And I thank you for it. I see people getting all riled up over things such as animal sacrifice in certain religions, for instance, where an animal is killed quickly and humanely and then eaten. Yet these same people will chow down at Micky D's where a cow was tortured to produce their cheeseburger. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal.
Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
I'm amazed. i've never lived anywhere with a sizable black population in the area where you can't find some type of soul food.- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:00:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole There's a couple of "modified" soul food places and that is it. It has been a problem here for a long time. The first to go were the bbq places, followed quickly by the soul food restaurants. Most of the restaurants were ran by people that lacked time management and restaurant management skills so you could easily go in and end up waiting nearly an hour for an order. I guess people got tired of that. The restaurants that replaced the old ones were hybrid restaurants that offered food that catered to white people. So for example, instead of greens you got a dill salad or some other concoction. The rest try to make it into a $20+ a plate dinner and $15 for a small gumbo. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: No soul food? With Oakland right there? Dude that's sad!- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:55:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Almost all of the soul food restaurants in a 50 mile radius are gone. You can't even find good bbq here anymore. The $1000 restaurant is a special "foody" event that is cooked by a "maverick" chef. My father still cooks chitterlings (or chitlin's) and other stinky fair. :) And yes, you can get a tripe burrito (and all of the other parts) here as well. They show the maverick chef on the travel channel and on the food channel once in a while. I think he is famous for making poprock ice cream as a desert. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Dude, a thousand bucks for entrails, brains, and the like? Are you kidding? I've had friends, neighbors and relatives all my life who've eaten stuff like that, be it country white and black folk, or frankly, the Mexicans in Texas and here in Atlanta. I can get you tripe or brain tacos at a Mexican joint here in Atlanta lickety-split. When I was in junior high back in the '70s, I can home one day to find the whole head of a slaughtered hog sitting on the kitchen table! I asked my mom what in the world was up. She said, "Boy, your daddy got a taste for hogshead cheese!" I find it odd that the events there are considered special. In Atlanta, at least, there's been a return to eating more "real" meat for a few years now. There are lots of top-rated restaurants where entrails and the like are eaten, and it's not considered so much a special deal as a return to the parts we eat up until the '70s. And frankly, you can eat those animal parts and still be relatively healthy, as the chefs who are reviving that cooking point out that Europeans eat like this, and are still healthier than Americans. I'd have thought that cooking would have hit San Fran as well by now, and much cheaper... - Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:08:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole I agree. On top of that, the guy may be right. It may be delicious but unless you go to China you'll never know. There is a special one night only party here in San Francisco where the host will cook parts of animals that are normally not eaten by folks such as "mountain oysters" or the brain. People pay up to $1000 to eat stuff that is eaten by black folks and southerners everyday. Does anyone stick up for alligators? They made shoes, luggage, and sausages out of them for years (still do) and they taste just like chicken. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever ha
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I can understand that, though I haven't gone vegan myself, I respect it.- Original Message -From: "Adrianne Brennan" adrianne.bren...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:25:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole They do, actually. And it's why people like me go vegan. I don't see why I would eat a cow anymore than I would eat a cat or a dog. :(~ "Where love and magic meet" ~http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoonDare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal. - Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:48:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Richard Owen in Rome � 43 Comments Beppe Bigazzi says cat is better than chicken A top Italian food writer has been suspended indefinitely from the country�s version of the television programme Ready Steady Cook for recommending stewed cat to viewers as a �succulent dish�. RAI, the public broadcasting network, said that it had dropped Beppe Bigazzi, 77, for offering the recipe on La Prova del Cuoco, which is broadcast at midday on the main channel. Its switchboard was inundated with complaints from viewers and animal rights groups. Bigazzi said that casserole of cat was a famous dish in his home region of Valdarno, Tuscany. �I�ve eaten it myself and it�s a lot better than many other animals,� he told viewers. �Better than chicken, rabbit or pigeon.� He said that for optimum flavour the meat should be �soaked in spring water for three days� before being stewed. Elisa Isoardi, the programme�s presenter � who has a cat called Othello � tried to steer Bigazzi off the subject. Reports said that during the commercial break she and the show�s producers tried to persuade him to apologise to viewers but he refused. Related Links � ITV fined for butchery of I�m a Celebrity rat � Cats and dogs to be taken off menu in China Carla Rocchi, the head of ENPA, the Italian society for the protection of animals, said that killing cats was illegal. Francesca Martini, the Deputy Health Minister, said it was �absolutely unheard of for a public service broadcaster to tell people how delicious cats are to eat�. She called for the producers to be investigated for criminal offences involving incitement to mistreat animals. Bigazzi, a consumer affairs journalist and author of Cooking with Common Sense, has been one of the stars of La Prova del Cuoco for the past ten years. He is noted for his exuberant style and previously caused uproar by boiling lobsters live on the show. Yesterday he said that he had only been joking about the recipe, and he had been misunderstood. He added: �Mind you, I wasn�t joking all that much. In the 1930s and 1940s, when I was a boy, people certainly did eat cat in the countryside around Arezzo.� Food historians said that Italians in cities such as Vicenza devised cat recipes in times of economic hardship. Inhabitants of Vicenza are still nicknamed magnagati (cat eaters), and in some butchers� shops rabbits are sold with their heads to assure buyers that they are not cats. From pet to pot � In his 1529 treatise on cookery, Ruperto de Nola recommended spit-roasting cat basted with garlic and olive oil. He wrote: �Take the garlic with oil mixed with good broth so that it is coarse, and pour it over the cat and you can eat it for it is a good dish
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I agree with you! I was just having a discussion with some friends on how some Americans think of Haitians as some kind of backwards, primitive people. (That foolishness with Pat Robertson saying the country sold its sold to the Devil, then talking about their voodoo ways and stuff). One of the things you'll always hear are the words voodoo and animal sacrifice used in the same sentence. Western Christian thought teaches us to look down on the use of animals in other cultures' religious ceremonies. Yet, as you pointed out, we slaughter and eat animals all the time, so what's the difference? And as a practicing Christian, I have to point out that our belief set is still based on sacrifice, as the Hebrews sacrificed animals to God. We've just replaced that physical act with the spiritual based on Jesus as the eternal sacrifice, even consuming his blood and body in the form of wine/grape juice and bread/crackers. - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:28:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Honestly? This. And I thank you for it. I see people getting all riled up over things such as animal sacrifice in certain religions, for instance, where an animal is killed quickly and humanely and then eaten. Yet these same people will chow down at Micky D's where a cow was tortured to produce their cheeseburger. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal.
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That's really sad. One good thing about living here in the South is that there are lots of soul food places. And, since Southern cooking is in many cases the same (fried chicken, greens, candied yams, etc) one can get good food of that type from some white-owned restaurants as well. Although to be frank, the best soul/Southern food I've had is still to be found back home in Texas. Some of the spices used here aren't quite as robust. And for my Texan's taste, there's still precious little good barbecue to be found in Atlanta. The South is focused mostly on pig whereas Texas BBQ is more beef based, sauce tends to be watery/vinegary or mustard based here, while Texas sauce is often thicker, sweeter, and less vinegary. And I've yet to find a lot of Atlantan BBQ joints that realize the meet should be cooked and seasoned so well that you don't have to put sauce on it (even though you do so!) Many places here don't really smoke the meat, and don't season it well, so that sauce becomes a necessity.- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:27:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole There are a couple of places here that does fish and chicken, but the rest are pretty bad or very small. There was a small chain of bbq restaurants here called Emilo Villas and now there are down to one place about 20 miles from here. Even the black owned burger joints are almost all gone. There is only couple left. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I'm amazed. i've never lived anywhere with a sizable black population in the area where you can't find some type of soul food. - Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:00:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole There's a couple of "modified" soul food places and that is it. It has been a problem here for a long time. The first to go were the bbq places, followed quickly by the soul food restaurants. Most of the restaurants were ran by people that lacked time management and restaurant management skills so you could easily go in and end up waiting nearly an hour for an order. I guess people got tired of that. The restaurants that replaced the old ones were hybrid restaurants that offered food that catered to white people. So for example, instead of greens you got a dill salad or some other concoction. The rest try to make it into a $20+ a plate dinner and $15 for a small gumbo. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: No soul food? With Oakland right there? Dude that's sad!- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:55:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Almost all of the soul food restaurants in a 50 mile radius are gone. You can't even find good bbq here anymore. The $1000 restaurant is a special "foody" event that is cooked by a "maverick" chef. My father still cooks chitterlings (or chitlin's) and other stinky fair. :) And yes, you can get a tripe burrito (and all of the other parts) here as well. They show the maverick chef on the travel channel and on the food channel once in a while. I think he is famous for making poprock ice cream as a desert. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Dude, a thousand bucks for entrails, brains, and the like? Are you kidding? I've had friends, neighbors and relatives all my life who've eaten stuff like that, be it country white and black folk, or frankly, the Mexicans in Texas and here in Atlanta. I can get you tripe or brain tacos at a Mexican joint here in Atlanta lickety-split. When I was in junior high back in the '70s, I can home one day to find the whole head of a slaughtered hog sitting on the kitchen table! I asked my mom what in the world was up. She said, "Boy, your daddy got a taste for hogshead cheese!" I find it odd that the events there are considered special. In Atlanta, at least, there's been a return to eating more "real" meat for a few years now. There are lots of top-rated restaurants where entrails and the like are eaten, and it's not considered so much a special deal as a return to the parts we eat up until the '70s. And frankly, you can eat those animal parts and still be relatively healthy, as the chefs who are reviving that cooking point out that E
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I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal.- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:48:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Richard Owen in Rome � 43 Comments Beppe Bigazzi says cat is better than chicken A top Italian food writer has been suspended indefinitely from the country�s version of the television programme Ready Steady Cook for recommending stewed cat to viewers as a �succulent dish�. RAI, the public broadcasting network, said that it had dropped Beppe Bigazzi, 77, for offering the recipe on La Prova del Cuoco, which is broadcast at midday on the main channel. Its switchboard was inundated with complaints from viewers and animal rights groups. Bigazzi said that casserole of cat was a famous dish in his home region of Valdarno, Tuscany. �I�ve eaten it myself and it�s a lot better than many other animals,� he told viewers. �Better than chicken, rabbit or pigeon.� He said that for optimum flavour the meat should be �soaked in spring water for three days� before being stewed. Elisa Isoardi, the programme�s presenter � who has a cat called Othello � tried to steer Bigazzi off the subject. Reports said that during the commercial break she and the show�s producers tried to persuade him to apologise to viewers but he refused. Related Links � ITV fined for butchery of I�m a Celebrity rat � Cats and dogs to be taken off menu in China Carla Rocchi, the head of ENPA, the Italian society for the protection of animals, said that killing cats was illegal. Francesca Martini, the Deputy Health Minister, said it was �absolutely unheard of for a public service broadcaster to tell people how delicious cats are to eat�. She called for the producers to be investigated for criminal offences involving incitement to mistreat animals. Bigazzi, a consumer affairs journalist and author of Cooking with Common Sense, has been one of the stars of La Prova del Cuoco for the past ten years. He is noted for his exuberant style and previously caused uproar by boiling lobsters live on the show. Yesterday he said that he had only been joking about the recipe, and he had been misunderstood. He added: �Mind you, I wasn�t joking all that much. In the 1930s and 1940s, when I was a boy, people certainly did eat cat in the countryside around Arezzo.� Food historians said that Italians in cities such as Vicenza devised cat recipes in times of economic hardship. Inhabitants of Vicenza are still nicknamed magnagati (cat eaters), and in some butchers� shops rabbits are sold with their heads to assure buyers that they are not cats. From pet to pot � In his 1529 treatise on cookery, Ruperto de Nola recommended spit-roasting cat basted with garlic and olive oil. He wrote: �Take the garlic with oil mixed with good broth so that it is coarse, and pour it over the cat and you can eat it for it is a good dish� � The Spanish _expression_ pasar gato por liebre derives from the practice of hunters trying to sell skinned cats as hares. When butchered, the animals are supposed to look almost identical � In 2007 Australians at a cooking contest in Alice Springs sought to curb the feral cat population by using them in a dish. One judge found the cat casserole so tough that she had to spit it out � Last month legal experts in China responded to pressure from the country�s middle class and proposed a ban on eating cat and dog meat. Both are traditional Chinese dishes but if the law is passed people caught eating cats could face 15 days in prison Sources: agencies, florilegium.org, statemaster.com http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article7029058.ece -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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Dude, a thousand bucks for entrails, brains, and the like? Are you kidding? I've had friends, neighbors and relatives all my life who've eaten stuff like that, be it country white and black folk, or frankly, the Mexicans in Texas and here in Atlanta. I can get you tripe or brain tacos at a Mexican joint here in Atlanta lickety-split. When I was in junior high back in the '70s, I can home one day to find the whole head of a slaughtered hog sitting on the kitchen table! I asked my mom what in the world was up. She said, "Boy, your daddy got a taste for hogshead cheese!"I find it odd that the events there are considered special. In Atlanta, at least, there's been a return to eating more "real" meat for a few years now. There are lots of top-rated restaurants where entrails and the like are eaten, and it's not considered so much a special deal as a return to the parts we eat up until the '70s. And frankly, you can eat those animal parts and still be relatively healthy, as the chefs who are reviving that cooking point out that Europeans eat like this, and are still healthier than Americans. I'd have thought that cooking would have hit San Fran as well by now, and much cheaper...- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:08:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole I agree. On top of that, the guy may be right. It may be delicious but unless you go to China you'll never know. There is a special one night only party here in San Francisco where the host will cook parts of animals that are normally not eaten by folks such as "mountain oysters" or the brain. People pay up to $1000 to eat stuff that is eaten by black folks and southerners everyday. Does anyone stick up for alligators? They made shoes, luggage, and sausages out of them for years (still do) and they taste just like chicken. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal. - Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:48:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Richard Owen in Rome � 43 Comments Beppe Bigazzi says cat is better than chicken A top Italian food writer has been suspended indefinitely from the country�s version of the television programme Ready Steady Cook for recommending stewed cat to viewers as a �succulent dish�. RAI, the public broadcasting network, said that it had dropped Beppe Bigazzi, 77, for offering the recipe on La Prova del Cuoco, which is broadcast at midday on the main channel. Its switchboard was inundated with complaints from viewers and animal rights groups. Bigazzi said that casserole of cat was a famous dish in his home region of Valdarno, Tuscany. �I�ve eaten it myself and it�s a lot better than many other animals,� he told viewers. �Better than chicken, rabbit or pigeon.� He said that for optimum flavour the meat should be �soaked in spring water for three days� before being stewed. Elisa Isoardi, the programme�s presenter � who has a cat called Othello � tried to steer Bigazzi off the subject. Reports said that during the commercial break she and the show�s producers tried to persuade him to apologise to viewers but he refused. Related Links � ITV fined for butchery of I�m a Celebrity rat � Cats and dogs to be taken off menu in China Carla Rocchi, the head of ENPA, the Italian society for the protection of animals, said that killing cats was illegal. Francesca Martini, the Deputy Health Minister, said it was �absolutely unheard of for a public service broadcaster to tell people how delicious cats are to eat�. She called for the producers to be investigated for
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Almost all of the soul food restaurants in a 50 mile radius are gone. You can't even find good bbq here anymore. The $1000 restaurant is a special foody event that is cooked by a maverick chef. My father still cooks chitterlings (or chitlin's) and other stinky fair. :) And yes, you can get a tripe burrito (and all of the other parts) here as well. They show the maverick chef on the travel channel and on the food channel once in a while. I think he is famous for making poprock ice cream as a desert. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Dude, a thousand bucks for entrails, brains, and the like? Are you kidding? I've had friends, neighbors and relatives all my life who've eaten stuff like that, be it country white and black folk, or frankly, the Mexicans in Texas and here in Atlanta. I can get you tripe or brain tacos at a Mexican joint here in Atlanta lickety-split. When I was in junior high back in the '70s, I can home one day to find the whole head of a slaughtered hog sitting on the kitchen table! I asked my mom what in the world was up. She said, Boy, your daddy got a taste for hogshead cheese! I find it odd that the events there are considered special. In Atlanta, at least, there's been a return to eating more real meat for a few years now. There are lots of top-rated restaurants where entrails and the like are eaten, and it's not considered so much a special deal as a return to the parts we eat up until the '70s. And frankly, you can eat those animal parts and still be relatively healthy, as the chefs who are reviving that cooking point out that Europeans eat like this, and are still healthier than Americans. I'd have thought that cooking would have hit San Fran as well by now, and much cheaper... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:08:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole I agree. On top of that, the guy may be right. It may be delicious but unless you go to China you'll never know. There is a special one night only party here in San Francisco where the host will cook parts of animals that are normally not eaten by folks such as mountain oysters or the brain. People pay up to $1000 to eat stuff that is eaten by black folks and southerners everyday. Does anyone stick up for alligators? They made shoes, luggage, and sausages out of them for years (still do) and they taste just like chicken. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:48:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Richard Owen in Rome �43 Commentshttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article7029058.ece#comment-have-your-say http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article7029058.ece#none [image: Beppe Bigazzi] Beppe Bigazzi says cat is better than chicken http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/xxx A top Italian food writer has been suspended indefinitely from the country�s version of the television programme Ready Steady Cook for recommending stewed cat to viewers as a �succulent dish�. RAI, the public broadcasting network, said that it had dropped Beppe Bigazzi, 77, for offering the recipe on La Prova del Cuoco, which is broadcast at midday on the main channel. Its switchboard was inundated with complaints from viewers and animal rights groups. Bigazzi said that casserole of cat was a famous dish in his home region of Valdarno, Tuscany. �I�ve eaten it myself and it�s a lot better than many other animals,� he told viewers. �Better than chicken, rabbit or pigeon.� He said that for optimum flavour
