[silk] Lyrics for song by Avial
I'm completely hooked to this song Karukara by Avial. Anyone know where I can find the lyrics in English, so I may sing along while I listen to it for the n-th time?
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On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 04:27:25PM -0500, Malini Aisola wrote: I'm completely hooked to this song Karukara by Avial. Anyone know where I Speaking about songs, anyone knows what this song is? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8gji6hdN-c can find the lyrics in English, so I may sing along while I listen to it for the n-th time?
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On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008 11:13:36 am Charles Haynes wrote: So you don't want untouchables converting to Buddism because you want them to fight and kill Islam? I did not say that. I do not find people untouchable, I have not said that I want to stop untouchable people from converting to Buddhism. This is precisely the sort of clever use of words that is employed by proselytizing groups to set their agenda. All Brahmins and all Hindus also should not be insidiously clubbed into a group that have to be conned into a sideways admission of believing in untouchability by asking them if they do not want untouchables' to convert to Buddhism. This is a mind numbingly stupid and obvious use of the Have you stopped beating your wife tactic where any answer is an admission of guiilt. It is also typical of the language used by groups that are guilty of constantly smearing Hindus, particularly Brahmins. You have used prexcisely that language on two ocasions here and I thank you for providing me with ammunition that I will use elsewhere. You may choose to deny that you have done anything of the sort, but that would be par for the course for what is done by proselytizing evangelist spokespersons. Maybe you did not intend to use such language but even if you did that unintentionally it is an indicator of how opinions of seemingly innocent and neutral people (such as you might possibly be) have been moulded to view all Hindus and all forward caste Hindus specifically as an odious bigoted group. One of the points I have been trying to make is that it is not a Brahmin characteritic to 'fight this sort of language or allegation, or even get into a physical fight. However, as Brahmins get sidelined by unrelenting pressure from others, supported ably by evangelists and Islamic scholars (for their own less than innocent reasons) you will find that the Hindu that the Brahmin is being replaced with will have fewer qualms about hitting back at those who question him or doubt him. But that is a self goal that has been set up by those who choose to smear one group of Hindus in their eagerness to show how unbiased they are themselves. It won't affect me, and i won't fight it :) shiv
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On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] really? i think this is a problem of popular democracy combined with an increasing: -unwillingness to accept ones (low) place in the social order, something that was never common in places like, say, brazil (explaining the higher violent crime relative to wealth disparities there compared to india) -perception that education may not be the way to increased wealth or social status -perception that education is inaccessible, in any case This is a quick response, so please forgive me if I seem brusque. I am having one of those weeks where it seems like everything is happening at once, and so I am responding tersely in a vain attempt to manage my time well (yeah right). But no point-by-point debate from me today. I agree with what you've observed Rishab, and it is not orthogonal to what I said, I think. And, why is this happening? Because we've lowered the standards of entry. Whether it be to educational qualifications or to the positions of authority. Indian higher education is a farce where just about anyone with a weak pulse can get a degree out of our colleges, and they don't even have to cheat. The system is geared to push out the maximum graduates, but doesn't really control quality at all. The Indian administrative services have been denuded of most of its talented officers leaving behind the evil and the corrupt. My family in its previous generation has produced about half a dozen high thinking, well meaning, highly efficient bureaucrats, and every one of them has quit at some point alleging harassment from dishonest colleagues and bosses. So my generation hasn't even tried. Just about everyone has a Master's degree or higher from a foreign university and about 95% of us aren't even in the country anymore. The voters who matter are being systematically disenfranchised. How many in Silk have voted ever? In the recent past? Registering to vote, and then exercising it is such a huge effort that most people who are gainfully employed, educated and busy are just unable to get their vote. India is anti-mobility. If you've only ever lived at the same address for ages can you get all the government paperwork together for your vote, and even then it's a tough bureaucratic wrestle. In an age when news and information literally moves at the speed of light, and people's lives are no longer rooted to one spot, it's a very efficient way of isolating the thinkers. If my personal history counts for anything, I have never voted ever. I would very much like to vote, but the system has posed enough hurdles for me to shy away. In the past 6 years I've lived in 7 cities for at least 3 months or more. I don't even know if there is a way for me to exercise my vote when I am not in the country. On the other hand I pay taxes at the highest possible slab rates. Respect for the intellect has been a mark of a civilization since the earliest times. America just barely managed to save itself. I am sure India will crow soon enough about having found it's Obama in Mayawati. That will be a dark day indeed, because unlike Obama's victory which fills everyone's heart with hope, a Mayawati victory will create dread and panic. Her politics is one of fear and intimidation, of clever manipulation and politicking. http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2008/11/06/will-an-untouchable-become-indias-obama/ http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Columnists/Waiting_for_Indias_Obama/articleshow/3678897.cms Cheeni
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Their CD liner notes have loose prose translations of all the songs, but not lyrics that you can sing along with. I don't remember it exactly, but as far as I can make out the first verse of 'Karukara' is about the black clouds under which caparisoned elephants take the goddess' procession out from the temple, and succeeding verses go on to describe the procession, the unfurling fans under the rainbow sky, etc. If anyone who reads Malayalam wants to attempt a translation the lyrics are here: http://www.phat-phish.com/avial/ [There's an 'English' tab but it doesn't seem to load.] It's a great song - the sound is beautifully produced. Supriya On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 2:57 AM, Malini Aisola [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I'm completely hooked to this song Karukara by Avial. Anyone know where I can find the lyrics in English, so I may sing along while I listen to it for the n-th time? -- roswitha.tumblr.com
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2008/11/26 Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The voters who matter are being systematically disenfranchised. How many in Silk have voted ever? In the recent past? Registering to vote, and then exercising it is such a huge effort that most people who are gainfully employed, educated and busy are just unable to get their vote. I tried, recently. Turns out that to register in Gurgaon, where I live, I need to produce _two_ proofs of address. The only thing I can produce is a telephone bill. My (court registered) house lease is not acceptable, deems the bureaucrat in charge. My passport has the address of a house I rented in Bangalore between 1999 and 2001, after which I have changed residence within India three times and once outside. I simply have no way of proving, to the bureaucrat's satisfaction, that I actually live in Gurgaon. And so I can't vote. Exactly the same situation as you. Ram
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There's a post office ID card for various people in the same situation you are in, that's acceptable as valid proof of address and photo id. srs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ramakrishnan Sundaram Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:58 AM To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: Re: [silk] last-minute itinerary for southie lens workout 2008/11/26 Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The voters who matter are being systematically disenfranchised. How many in Silk have voted ever? In the recent past? Registering to vote, and then exercising it is such a huge effort that most people who are gainfully employed, educated and busy are just unable to get their vote. I tried, recently. Turns out that to register in Gurgaon, where I live, I need to produce _two_ proofs of address. The only thing I can produce is a telephone bill. My (court registered) house lease is not acceptable, deems the bureaucrat in charge. My passport has the address of a house I rented in Bangalore between 1999 and 2001, after which I have changed residence within India three times and once outside. I simply have no way of proving, to the bureaucrat's satisfaction, that I actually live in Gurgaon. And so I can't vote. Exactly the same situation as you. Ram
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In a related, but not really, kind of way, Thermal And A Quarter played at the Hard Rock Cafe here in Mumbai last night. For those who haven't heard of them: http://www.thermalandaquarter.com -- Sumant Srivathsan http://sumants.blogspot.com
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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a post office ID card for various people in the same situation you are in, that's acceptable as valid proof of address and photo id. My dad tried to get one. They were out of forms, and tried very hard to discourage him from applying for one. Apparently they are developing cold feet about being in the ID business. Cheeni
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2008/11/26 Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a post office ID card for various people in the same situation you are in, that's acceptable as valid proof of address and photo id. My dad tried to get one. They were out of forms, and tried very hard to discourage him from applying for one. Apparently they are developing cold feet about being in the ID business. I looked at the IndiaPost site, and there no information about this. Will visit the post office for the first time in a decade soon to enquire about this. Ram
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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I looked at the IndiaPost site, and there no information about this. There is some, but it is not actionable. The out of stock application form isn't available for download. http://www.indiapost.gov.in/Netscape/MailServices.html#6._Identification_Cards: 6. Identification Cards: Post office issues Identity cards for the benefit of travelers, tourists and other customers. The card contains photograph of the holder, his signature and full description. The validity period is three years.
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On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:41 PM, ss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A good friend of mine, who happens to be Udhay's cousin made a statement that I had not heard before when I met him a few days ago. He lamented that Development and status in the world is measured in terms of consumption The more you consume, the more developed you are considered to be, or the higher your status in society. The irony in this statement did not really hit me till a couple of nights ago when I was helping my son study a chapter in his 10th std Social Studies textbook. The book has chapters on the economy, industry, trade, commerce etc and quotes statistics. in every case those statistics are compared with similar stats from a more developed nation with the take home lesson being This is the way to go. My son and his peers - all of 15 years of age is being taught this and he will belong to a generation that seeks to increase Indian steel consumption from x tons per capita to 25x tons per capita, and to increase India's energy consumption from y million kwh to 100y million kwh. The world will not be able to sustain this unless india actually intimidates and grabs resources from others. This is, of course what the West really did, but the West is greatly admired in these parts. I remember hearing EO Wilson say that the ecological footprint of an average American is around 40 acres. In other words, to support the consumption pattern of each American, requires that much of land. If we follow in their footsteps, we will need 1.2 billion x 40 acres. I don't know if we have that much land, so we may have to go out and colonize a few nearby countries :-) Venky
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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Sumant Srivathsan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a related, but not really, kind of way, Thermal And A Quarter played at the Hard Rock Cafe here in Mumbai last night. For those who haven't heard of them: http://www.thermalandaquarter.com I've heard them a few times, they're not bad. I didn't know about this gig though -- and I usually hear about them. -- b
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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Supriya Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Their CD liner notes have loose prose translations of all the songs, but not lyrics that you can sing along with. I don't remember it exactly, but as far as I can make out the first verse of 'Karukara' is about the black clouds under which caparisoned elephants take the goddess' procession out from the temple, and succeeding verses go on to describe the procession, the unfurling fans under the rainbow sky, etc. If anyone who reads Malayalam wants to attempt a translation the lyrics are here: http://www.phat-phish.com/avial/ [There's an 'English' tab but it doesn't seem to load.] It's a great song - the sound is beautifully produced. I'm a fan too -- of the entire album. That's unusual for me because I rarely listen to music that's not in English. -- b
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Biju Chacko wrote: I've heard them a few times, they're not bad. I didn't know about this gig though -- and I usually hear about them. Now you know.
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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/26 Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The voters who matter are being systematically disenfranchised. How many in Silk have voted ever? In the recent past? Registering to vote, and then exercising it is such a huge effort that most people who are gainfully employed, educated and busy are just unable to get their vote. I tried, recently. Turns out that to register in Gurgaon, where I live, I need to produce _two_ proofs of address. The only thing I can produce is a telephone bill. My (court registered) house lease is not acceptable, deems the bureaucrat in charge. My passport has the address of a house I rented in Bangalore between 1999 and 2001, after which I have changed residence within India three times and once outside. I simply have no way of proving, to the bureaucrat's satisfaction, that I actually live in Gurgaon. And so I can't vote. Exactly the same situation as you. In contrast, 2-3 months before the last assembly election (ie state legislature), some bloke came by my flat and asked how many adults lived there. My wife told him and we were duly enfranchised. I carried my passport when I went to vote and did so without incident. Total effort expended: 1 hour, half of which was spent figuring out which polling station to go to. I guess if you pretend you don't actually want to vote it'll be easier. -- b
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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: India is anti-mobility. If you've only ever lived at the same address for ages can you get all the government paperwork together for your vote, and even then it's a tough bureaucratic wrestle. In an age when news and information literally moves at the speed of light, and people's lives are no longer rooted to one spot, it's a very efficient way of isolating the thinkers. There is no national identity card system.. which probably makes having a dynamic voter registry impossible. (I have a PDS Ration-Card which I then used to get a voter's ID card (though when i recieved the voter-id card, it had someone else's picture on it...). The funny thing about the ration card is that it doesnt even have my photograph on it... ) In Kenya there is a national identity card system which dates back to the controls of the colonial period. The voter registry is quite mobile, you can register to vote anywhere in the country if you have a national id card... But whats happened here is that this system has been heavily abused to rig the demographics of different voter constituencies and wards (e.g. Politican 'X' knows constituency 'A' has a heavy tilt towards a candidate of 'Z' tribe... so during voter registration he mobilizes people of his tribe to register in 'A' constituency even if they don't live there)
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ashok _ wrote: There is no national identity card system.. which probably makes having a dynamic voter registry impossible. They have been working on getting one for a while now. Turns out that one of the stumbling blocks is the need to have the name in native language and the searching for the same.
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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ashok _ wrote: There is no national identity card system.. which probably makes having a dynamic voter registry impossible. They have been working on getting one for a while now. Turns out that one of the stumbling blocks is the need to have the name in native language and the searching for the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multipurpose_National_Identity_Card_(India) is mostly written by me. I know a lot of background about this project, but expanding on that is for another day. Cheeni
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2008/11/26 Biju Chacko [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In contrast, 2-3 months before the last assembly election (ie state legislature), some bloke came by my flat and asked how many adults lived there. My wife told him and we were duly enfranchised. I carried my passport when I went to vote and did so without incident. Total effort expended: 1 hour, half of which was spent figuring out which polling station to go to. I guess if you pretend you don't actually want to vote it'll be easier. You live in a civilized land. Ram
