Re: [silk] Whose morality is being protected?
On 4/30/12 9:05 PM April 30, 2012, Deepak Shenoy wrote: An immortal quote by Joy-da - Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly. G.K. Chesterton from “Orthodoxy,” perhaps? -- Heather Madrone (heat...@madrone.com) http://www.sunsplinter.blogspot.com Power at its best is love implementing the demands of justice. Justice at its best is power correcting everything that stands against love. - Martin Luther King
Re: [silk] Whose morality is being protected?
On Wednesday 2 May 2012 at 5:42 AM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: If war turns every man into looking out for himself, then what is this world we live in, this libertarian machine age of every man for himself? I'd say that is a straw man, except that definitions of libertarianism are all over the place nowadays and I'm sure you can find a citation for just such a definition. At least in my book, I don't see anything fundamentally libertarian about every man for himself or anything essentially anti-libertarian about helping out people you feel need your help. Charity is not anti-libertarian -- your property is yours to do as you see fit, and that includes giving it away. What *is* anti-libertarian though, is forcing another man to give up his property for a cause which *you* see as a just one. Venky (the Second). PS: No, I have no idea how this has anything at all to do with the topic Shiv started in this thread, but hey, this is silklist.
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On 2 May 2012 10:04, Venky ve...@duh-uh.com wrote: I'd say that is a straw man, except that definitions of libertarianism are all over the place nowadays and I'm sure you can find a citation for just such a definition. At least in my book, I don't see anything fundamentally libertarian about every man for himself or anything essentially anti-libertarian about helping out people you feel need your help. Charity is not anti-libertarian -- your property is yours to do as you see fit, and that includes giving it away. What *is* anti-libertarian though, is forcing another man to give up his property for a cause which *you* see as a just one. Anti-libertarian on these lines? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/30/stephen-king-tax-me-for-f-s-sake.html Ingrid
Re: [silk] Whose morality is being protected?
On Wednesday 2 May 2012 at 1:41 PM, Ingrid wrote: On 2 May 2012 10:04, Venky ve...@duh-uh.com (mailto:ve...@duh-uh.com) wrote: I'd say that is a straw man, except that definitions of libertarianism are all over the place nowadays and I'm sure you can find a citation for just such a definition. At least in my book, I don't see anything fundamentally libertarian about every man for himself or anything essentially anti-libertarian about helping out people you feel need your help. Charity is not anti-libertarian -- your property is yours to do as you see fit, and that includes giving it away. What *is* anti-libertarian though, is forcing another man to give up his property for a cause which *you* see as a just one. Anti-libertarian on these lines? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/30/stephen-king-tax-me-for-f-s-sake.html Ingrid Did not understand your point. Are you agreeing with me? If Stephen King wants to give his money away, he has every right to. If he says, As I want to give my money away, I want to force every person who makes more than a certain amount of money to also give his money away, no, I don't think he has a right to. Do I think he is within his rights to advocate to the rich that they should give their money away -- yes, I think he has every right to. Do I think he has a right to force them to -- no, I don't. Do I think it is unfair that the rich pay less in taxes than the non-rich -- yes, I do. Do I think the rich should have to pay more taxes as a percentage of their earnings than I do -- no, I don't. Do I support a simple flat tax rate for everybody (assuming that's what King meant by the phrase tax equality near the end of the article) -- yes, I do. Do I know how much I pay in taxes -- no, I don't. Venky (the Second).
[silk] Fwd: Justice
I'm not based in Bangalore, and haven't heard of this. Have any of you? Is this legit? -- Forwarded message -- From: Dr. L Rajesh m...@change.org Date: Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:35 PM Subject: Justice To: mahesh.mur...@gmail.com * Help Our Son Get Justice http://www.change.org/petitions/bring-justice-for-richard-justice4richard?utm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXW * http://www.change.org/petitions/bring-justice-for-richard-justice4richard?utm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXW Email the Commissioner http://www.change.org/petitions/bring-justice-for-richard-justice4richard?utm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXW Mahesh - *Our son didn’t deserve to die*. Richard was just 19 years old and studying at Archarya NRV School of Architecture in Bangalore (India). On the night of April 17th, *his head was smashed by two students* from his hostel. What makes his death so much harder is knowing that we were only informed by the college authority about our son's death the next day at 3.30 pm and the accused Vishal Banerjee (1st year B. Arch student) and Syed Afzal Ali (1st year MBA student), who brutally killed him are still not arrested. But we hope for justice. We have started a petition asking the Police Commissioner of Bangalore, B. Jyoti Mirji to arrest the accused and file charges against themhttp://www.change.org/petitions/bring-justice-for-richard-justice4richard?utm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXW . Witnesses have revealed that Syed Afzal Ali repeatedly hit Richard’s head and face. The photographic images and preliminary post-mortem report also support this. However, the college authorities are trying to cover up by linking our son's death to a minor accident he had a few days before and drug abuse which is clearly an attempt to defame our loving son. The support that everyone has shown by organizing protests gives us strength to stand our ground. CNN-IBN and other news agencies have already reported on the issue, but *we need to put more pressure on the Police Commissionerhttp://www.change.org/petitions/bring-justice-for-richard-justice4richard?utm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXW * to arrest the accused and put them on trial. Even though the accused have been booked for murder, they havent been arrested yet. Two weeks have passed, and we are still demanding a fair and transparent investigation. Please help us in getting justice for our son, Richardhttp://www.change.org/petitions/bring-justice-for-richard-justice4richard?utm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXW- we will be very grateful for your support. Thank you, Dr. L Rajesh (Loitam Richard's father) Dr. RK Vidyabali Devi (Loitam Richard's mother) This email was sent by Change.org to mahesh.mur...@gmail.com | Start a petitionhttp://www.change.org/start-a-petition?source=footerutm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXW Unsubscribe.http://www.change.org/account_settings/action_alerts_opt_out?email_id=UXZWZWRADDBBYXUXJJXFutm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXWEdit your email notification settingshttp://www.change.org/account_settings/edit_email_preferences?utm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXW.
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The two students in question have now been arrested. But there were protests regarding this prior because of police inaction and alleged institutional cover up. Blame it on the IPL! Apparently he quarreled with 2 students over an IPL match. What a pointless death. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/richard-loitam-case-2-students-booked-for-murder/253881-3.html Regards, Nikhil Mehra Advocate, Supreme Court of India Tel: (+91) 9810776904 Res: C-I/10, AIIMS Campus, Ansari Nagar (East) New Delhi - 110029. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Mahesh Murthy mahesh.mur...@gmail.comwrote: I'm not based in Bangalore, and haven't heard of this. Have any of you? Is this legit? -- Forwarded message -- From: Dr. L Rajesh m...@change.org Date: Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:35 PM Subject: Justice To: mahesh.mur...@gmail.com * Help Our Son Get Justice http://www.change.org/petitions/bring-justice-for-richard-justice4richard?utm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXW * http://www.change.org/petitions/bring-justice-for-richard-justice4richard?utm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXW Email the Commissioner http://www.change.org/petitions/bring-justice-for-richard-justice4richard?utm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXW Mahesh - *Our son didn’t deserve to die*. Richard was just 19 years old and studying at Archarya NRV School of Architecture in Bangalore (India). On the night of April 17th, *his head was smashed by two students* from his hostel. What makes his death so much harder is knowing that we were only informed by the college authority about our son's death the next day at 3.30 pm and the accused Vishal Banerjee (1st year B. Arch student) and Syed Afzal Ali (1st year MBA student), who brutally killed him are still not arrested. But we hope for justice. We have started a petition asking the Police Commissioner of Bangalore, B. Jyoti Mirji to arrest the accused and file charges against themhttp://www.change.org/petitions/bring-justice-for-richard-justice4richard?utm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXW . Witnesses have revealed that Syed Afzal Ali repeatedly hit Richard’s head and face. The photographic images and preliminary post-mortem report also support this. However, the college authorities are trying to cover up by linking our son's death to a minor accident he had a few days before and drug abuse which is clearly an attempt to defame our loving son. The support that everyone has shown by organizing protests gives us strength to stand our ground. CNN-IBN and other news agencies have already reported on the issue, but *we need to put more pressure on the Police Commissionerhttp://www.change.org/petitions/bring-justice-for-richard-justice4richard?utm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXW * to arrest the accused and put them on trial. Even though the accused have been booked for murder, they havent been arrested yet. Two weeks have passed, and we are still demanding a fair and transparent investigation. Please help us in getting justice for our son, Richardhttp://www.change.org/petitions/bring-justice-for-richard-justice4richard?utm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXW- we will be very grateful for your support. Thank you, Dr. L Rajesh (Loitam Richard's father) Dr. RK Vidyabali Devi (Loitam Richard's mother) This email was sent by Change.org to mahesh.mur...@gmail.com | Start a petitionhttp://www.change.org/start-a-petition?source=footerutm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXW Unsubscribe.http://www.change.org/account_settings/action_alerts_opt_out?email_id=UXZWZWRADDBBYXUXJJXFutm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXWEdit your email notification settingshttp://www.change.org/account_settings/edit_email_preferences?utm_source=action_alertutm_medium=emailme=aautm_campaign=RxPtjNmDLpalert_id=RxPtjNmDLp_VNfjtEoiXW.
Re: [silk] Fwd: Justice
On 02-May-12 2:04 PM, Mahesh Murthy wrote: I'm not based in Bangalore, and haven't heard of this. Forwarding a bounced message from Suresh: Subject: RE: [silk] Fwd: Justice From: Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.net Date: 02-May-12 2:08 PM To: silklist@lists.hserus.net This is some Manipuri kid who died, and a bunch of north eastern students have been agitating about it. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/richard-loitam-case-2-students-booked-for-murder/253881-3.html -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
Re: [silk] Justice
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Sashikumar N sashikuma...@gmail.com wrote: This also highlighted the fragile relation the NE indians have with rest of India. I think they are ready to kickout other indians from NE india. Tragic as the incident is, I found the whole NE spin on it very bizzare. Can't the case just stand on the basis of being a mere murder?
Re: [silk] Justice
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Sriram ET. karra@gmail.com wrote: Tragic as the incident is, I found the whole NE spin on it very bizzare. Can't the case just stand on the basis of being a mere murder? Minorities feel embattled, and in times of crisis these insecurities emerge.
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It may also be because of the slow legal response and the fact that the institution appeared to try and brush it under the carpet. If the rest of the student body does not react, then some form of identity unifier is necessary to bring about a legitimate protest. A boy gets his face smashed in allegedly over an IPL match! God save us all. Nikhil --Original Message-- From: Srini RamaKrishnan Sender: silklist-bounces+nikhil.mehra773=gmail@lists.hserus.net To: silklist@lists.hserus.net ReplyTo: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: Re: [silk] Justice Sent: May 2, 2012 3:45 PM On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Sriram ET. karra@gmail.com wrote: Tragic as the incident is, I found the whole NE spin on it very bizzare. Can't the case just stand on the basis of being a mere murder? Minorities feel embattled, and in times of crisis these insecurities emerge. Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
[silk] Aleph Books... and David Davidar
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/david-davidar-aleph-books-will-be-competitively-priced/253579-55.html excerpt *Q. A lot of Indian publishing’s growth is coming in at the lower end of the market. You’re aiming at a more sophisticated reader. How will you make sure that Aleph’s books reach them and appeal to them?* Again, Aleph’s ambitions have been very carefully thought through. In our view there are many areas in the Indian writing and trade publishing scene that have not been exploited in any significant way. For example, while we have world class novelists we have too few great books of history, science, politics, sociology, travel, narrative non-fiction and biography to name just some of the areas that we are looking to target. In these categories you might have books that are first rate in terms of scholarship, but as these are generally aimed at academics they are largely unreadable where the lay reader is concerned. Books that are available to general readers are sometimes readable, but are singularly lacking in depth or nuance. So, we see a great deal of opportunity in terms of books that we can publish. What we intend to do is actively commission writers to produce great books in some of these subject areas. /excerpt Should we, er., start saving up? What's your view on the venture, and the man?
Re: [silk] Aleph Books... and David Davidar
He left penguin because of sexual harassment allegations, but his pen is under far better control than his penis is. This should be interesting. From: silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net [mailto:silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net] On Behalf Of Sriram ET. Sent: 02 May 2012 16:40 To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: [silk] Aleph Books... and David Davidar http://ibnlive.in.com/news/david-davidar-aleph-books-will-be-competitively- priced/253579-55.html http://ibnlive.in.com/news/david-davidar-aleph-books-will-be-competitively-p riced/253579-55.html excerpt Q. A lot of Indian publishing's growth is coming in at the lower end of the market. You're aiming at a more sophisticated reader. How will you make sure that Aleph's books reach them and appeal to them? Again, Aleph's ambitions have been very carefully thought through. In our view there are many areas in the Indian writing and trade publishing scene that have not been exploited in any significant way. For example, while we have world class novelists we have too few great books of history, science, politics, sociology, travel, narrative non-fiction and biography to name just some of the areas that we are looking to target. In these categories you might have books that are first rate in terms of scholarship, but as these are generally aimed at academics they are largely unreadable where the lay reader is concerned. Books that are available to general readers are sometimes readable, but are singularly lacking in depth or nuance. So, we see a great deal of opportunity in terms of books that we can publish. What we intend to do is actively commission writers to produce great books in some of these subject areas. /excerpt Should we, er., start saving up? What's your view on the venture, and the man?
Re: [silk] Fwd: Justice
On Wednesday 02 May 2012 2:04:18 pm Mahesh Murthy wrote: I'm not based in Bangalore, and haven't heard of this. Have any of you? Is this legit? The case is weird actually and unless (a) the post mortem report is known and (b) The post mortem is done by a competent doctor who cannot be bribed we will not know. The boy apparently had a head injury from an accident a couple of days prior to this fight after which he was found dead with bleeding from ears and nose. From a medical standpoint bleeding from the ears could be a sign of what is called as a fracture of the base of skull and if the earlier head injury was that sever the boy should have had a CT scan and not sent off with some treatment. Any punches on the face would only aggravate any pre-existing injury, But I would have thought that a base of skull fracture from punches would be rare. It is possible but the punches would have to be hard enough to leave some pretty severe external damage. http://www.deccanherald.com/content/246077/no-racial-angle-manipuri- students.html According to the police, Loitam was involved in an accident on the night of April 15 when he was riding his friend Vishal Banerjee’s two-wheeler. He sustained injuries on his face and head for which he was treated at a hospital. Following the accident, Banerjee picked up a quarrel with Loitam on the night of April 17 and a brawl ensued between the two. Syed Afzal Ali, a senior MBA student, who tried to intervene, allegedly punched Loitam in his face three-four times. Other students pacified the three and administered first aid to Loitam. After returning to his room, Loitam told his roommates that he would not attend the classes for a week. On April 18, his roommate Sourabh, noticed Loitam bleeding from his nose and mouth.He immediately alerted the hostel staff. Later, Loitam was declared dead. shiv
Re: [silk] Fwd: Justice
That makes for an interesting analysis on the law of murder. If his prior injury was outwardly visible, then their attack on that injury may place their actions as those reasonably capable of causing the death of the victim. Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -Original Message- From: ss cybers...@gmail.com Sender: silklist-bounces+nikhil.mehra773=gmail@lists.hserus.net Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 16:57:21 To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Reply-To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: Re: [silk] Fwd: Justice On Wednesday 02 May 2012 2:04:18 pm Mahesh Murthy wrote: I'm not based in Bangalore, and haven't heard of this. Have any of you? Is this legit? The case is weird actually and unless (a) the post mortem report is known and (b) The post mortem is done by a competent doctor who cannot be bribed we will not know. The boy apparently had a head injury from an accident a couple of days prior to this fight after which he was found dead with bleeding from ears and nose. From a medical standpoint bleeding from the ears could be a sign of what is called as a fracture of the base of skull and if the earlier head injury was that sever the boy should have had a CT scan and not sent off with some treatment. Any punches on the face would only aggravate any pre-existing injury, But I would have thought that a base of skull fracture from punches would be rare. It is possible but the punches would have to be hard enough to leave some pretty severe external damage. http://www.deccanherald.com/content/246077/no-racial-angle-manipuri- students.html According to the police, Loitam was involved in an accident on the night of April 15 when he was riding his friend Vishal Banerjee’s two-wheeler. He sustained injuries on his face and head for which he was treated at a hospital. Following the accident, Banerjee picked up a quarrel with Loitam on the night of April 17 and a brawl ensued between the two. Syed Afzal Ali, a senior MBA student, who tried to intervene, allegedly punched Loitam in his face three-four times. Other students pacified the three and administered first aid to Loitam. After returning to his room, Loitam told his roommates that he would not attend the classes for a week. On April 18, his roommate Sourabh, noticed Loitam bleeding from his nose and mouth.He immediately alerted the hostel staff. Later, Loitam was declared dead. shiv
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On Wednesday 02 May 2012 4:57:21 pm ss wrote: http://www.deccanherald.com/content/246077/no-racial-angle-manipuri- students.html Here is a more detailed report http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_why-did-richard-loitam-die-too-many- versions-out-there_1682924 The police on Sunday claimed that the scuffle between Loitam and a hostel mate had been over the very two-wheeler on which Loitam had met with an accident earlier. Soon after his death, it had been reported in the media that the two had fought over watching an IPL match on television. SP (Bangalore Rural) D Prakash told journalists that Loitam and his friend Vishal Banerjee had fought over a scooty on the night of April 17.They were said to have chipped in money to buy the vehicle. Prakash said the quarrel took place in the hostel at 8.30 pm. The previous day (April 16), Loitam—a student of Acharya NRV School of Architecture—had taken the vehicle out with his friend Spoorthy Ranjan. They met with an accident near Saptagiri Hospital. After receiving treatment for injuries, the two returned to the hostel. Banerjee was furious when he saw the damaged vehicle. He met Loitam in the hostel, and asked him why he took the vehicle out when his driving skills were poor. The two had heated arguments and Loitam reportedly grabbed Banerjee. The latter's friend Syed Afjal Ali came to his rescue and punched Loitam hard in the face, causing immediate injury to his left eye. Other students Vishesh Gupta, Shreyas Shetty and Mishal Mustafa intervened and pulled them apart. Loitam returned to his room 225 and reportedly told his roommates Nikhil and Sourabh that doctors had advised him a week's rest and that he would not attend classes the next few days. He went to sleep at 11.30 pm. His roommates found him dead on April 18, and alerted the hostel supervisor Sudhakar, who called the police. In his complaint with the police, Sudhakar said Loitam died either due to the injuries he suffered in the road accident, or from the punches he received from Ali. shiv
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On Wednesday 02 May 2012 5:00:13 pm Nikhil Mehra wrote: That makes for an interesting analysis on the law of murder. If his prior injury was outwardly visible, then their attack on that injury may place their actions as those reasonably capable of causing the death of the victim. Thanks for the interesting input. But if a chap falls off a scooter and is injured and has a head injury, I think the hospital should have registered it as a medicolegal case simply because these things happen. I am guessing that a casualty medical officer would have faced a dilemma over a chap who just fell off a scooter and had some injuries and thought why not give him first aid and send him home. But the problem is that the doctor knows only the patient's side of the story and perhaps needs to be more suspicious. What if the case was actually a hit and run where this guy had hit someone? A higher index of paranoia in ostensible accidents is always useful. I have actually seen stab injuries where the victim claimed that she fell on a knife because she did not want the stabber, her husband, to be implicated. The safest thing is to register a medicolegal case. If the head injury was severe enough to require rest for a week, it means that there was a de facto traffic offence for Bangalore - the guy is unlikely to have had a face/head injury if he was wearing a helmet. Besides if he had to res in bed for a week why was he out in the common room fighting over a TV remote control (as some reports say) shiv
Re: [silk] Whose morality is being protected?
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Heather Madrone heat...@madrone.com wrote: On 4/30/12 9:05 PM April 30, 2012, Deepak Shenoy wrote: An immortal quote by Joy-da - Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly. G.K. Chesterton from “Orthodoxy,” perhaps? That probably precedes Joy by a few decades :) Thanks, and yes, that's the one.
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That's a tough call. They probably should have because accidents need to be registered as a medico-legal case per se. The examining physician will have no clue as to how the accident occurred. It could well have been because some other driver breached a traffic rule and cut the vicitm off causing the victim to lose balance. Or that the metro construction company negligently left debris or construction material lying around which caused the victim to swerve and lose balance (happened to a friend in law school who died on the spot). But in reality doctors tend to be a little softer on out-of-town students knowing that these students don't want the rigmarole of a police investigation. But I agree with you that a bad head injury ought to be reported to the cops. Though unless the patient is lying unconscious in the hospital, it rarely happens. Regards, Nikhil Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -Original Message- From: ss cybers...@gmail.com Sender: silklist-bounces+nikhil.mehra773=gmail@lists.hserus.net Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 17:15:56 To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Reply-To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: Re: [silk] Fwd: Justice On Wednesday 02 May 2012 5:00:13 pm Nikhil Mehra wrote: That makes for an interesting analysis on the law of murder. If his prior injury was outwardly visible, then their attack on that injury may place their actions as those reasonably capable of causing the death of the victim. Thanks for the interesting input. But if a chap falls off a scooter and is injured and has a head injury, I think the hospital should have registered it as a medicolegal case simply because these things happen. I am guessing that a casualty medical officer would have faced a dilemma over a chap who just fell off a scooter and had some injuries and thought why not give him first aid and send him home. But the problem is that the doctor knows only the patient's side of the story and perhaps needs to be more suspicious. What if the case was actually a hit and run where this guy had hit someone? A higher index of paranoia in ostensible accidents is always useful. I have actually seen stab injuries where the victim claimed that she fell on a knife because she did not want the stabber, her husband, to be implicated. The safest thing is to register a medicolegal case. If the head injury was severe enough to require rest for a week, it means that there was a de facto traffic offence for Bangalore - the guy is unlikely to have had a face/head injury if he was wearing a helmet. Besides if he had to res in bed for a week why was he out in the common room fighting over a TV remote control (as some reports say) shiv
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On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Sriram ET. karra@gmail.com wrote: Tragic as the incident is, I found the whole NE spin on it very bizzare. Can't the case just stand on the basis of being a mere murder? Minorities feel embattled, and in times of crisis these insecurities emerge. While that would be understandable, watching the news last night it (the NE spin) appeared more a creation of the media rather than the result of any mass banding together of aggrieved minorities.
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On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Sriram ET. karra@gmail.com wrote: While that would be understandable, watching the news last night it (the NE spin) appeared more a creation of the media rather than the result of any mass banding together of aggrieved minorities. Why, you say this with shock, like the Indian media has a track record of usually behaving as a rational actor.
Re: [silk] Fwd: Justice
What is it you are asking? Richard was killed by two imbeciles for an unbearably stupid reason; there is a growing movement demanding justice and fair play, though the authorities have been tap-dancing around it. I don't know if this is a genuine petition. Sent from my iPad On May 2, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Mahesh Murthy mahesh.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not based in Bangalore, and haven't heard of this. Have any of you? Is this legit? -- Forwarded message -- From: Dr. L Rajesh m...@change.org Date: Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:35 PM Subject: Justice To: mahesh.mur...@gmail.com Help Our Son Get Justice Email the Commissioner Mahesh - Our son didn’t deserve to die. Richard was just 19 years old and studying at Archarya NRV School of Architecture in Bangalore (India). On the night of April 17th, his head was smashed by two students from his hostel. What makes his death so much harder is knowing that we were only informed by the college authority about our son's death the next day at 3.30 pm and the accused Vishal Banerjee (1st year B. Arch student) and Syed Afzal Ali (1st year MBA student), who brutally killed him are still not arrested. But we hope for justice. We have started a petition asking the Police Commissioner of Bangalore, B. Jyoti Mirji to arrest the accused and file charges against them. Witnesses have revealed that Syed Afzal Ali repeatedly hit Richard’s head and face. The photographic images and preliminary post-mortem report also support this. However, the college authorities are trying to cover up by linking our son's death to a minor accident he had a few days before and drug abuse which is clearly an attempt to defame our loving son. The support that everyone has shown by organizing protests gives us strength to stand our ground. CNN-IBN and other news agencies have already reported on the issue, but we need to put more pressure on the Police Commissioner to arrest the accused and put them on trial. Even though the accused have been booked for murder, they havent been arrested yet. Two weeks have passed, and we are still demanding a fair and transparent investigation. Please help us in getting justice for our son, Richard - we will be very grateful for your support. Thank you, Dr. L Rajesh (Loitam Richard's father) Dr. RK Vidyabali Devi (Loitam Richard's mother) This email was sent by Change.org to mahesh.mur...@gmail.com | Start a petition Unsubscribe. Edit your email notification settings.
