Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Namitha Jagadeesh]

>From another lurker, so sorry to hear about your cat, and other cats,
Bruce. What a despicable thing to do! Also, I did enjoy your 007 snark.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 5:40 AM, Radhika, Y.  wrote:

> I would like to learn about both...sorry to hear the bad news about your
> wife.
>
>
> “Be careful what you water your dreams with. Water them with worry and fear
> and you will produce weeds that choke the life from your dream. Water them
> with optimism and solutions and you will cultivate success. Always be on
> the lookout for ways to turn a problem into an opportunity for success.
> Always be on the lookout for ways to nurture your dream." ~ Lao Tzu
> (courtesy -Peacefrog)
>
> ““The most regretful people on earth are those who felt the call to
> creative work, who felt their own creative power restive and uprising, and
> gave to it neither power nor time.” -- Mary Oliver
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Bruce A. Metcalf]

Namitha Jagadeesh wrote:


From another lurker, so sorry to hear about your cat, and other cats,
Bruce. What a despicable thing to do! Also, I did enjoy your 007 snark.


Doofus came home today, but will have to use a feeding tube for another 
week. The puss is a real trooper with a great attitude, and the ladies 
at the vets had contests to see who got to feed him.


Still, if I can avoid such stress at the cost of quality snark, I'll 
take it!


Cheers,
Bruce

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Hari Selvarajan]

Bruce,

> I will offer as faint excuse that I've been under a bit of stress and needing 
> someone to lash out at -- Thursday morning someone shot my cat. It looks like 
> he'll recover, but I've since learned that two other cats in the neighborhood 
> were shot, killed, and draped over car hoods.

I’ve been lurking here for a short time and came out of the woodwork to say I’m 
really sorry to hear about your cat and hope he recovers. Animal abuse is a 
terrible thing -- I’m generally a mild-mannered fellow but this kind of thing 
makes me wish all manner of ill upon the perpetrator.

> Now I need to go find something constructive to post. I don't suppose anyone 
> cares for a trip report of five weeks on a cruise ship or 8500 miles across 
> America by car? Perhaps an essay on how my wife has become collateral damage 
> in the War on Drugs?

I, for one, would be very happy to read a post on any of the above.

— Hari

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[landon hurley]

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On 09/12/2015 01:33 PM, Bruce A. Metcalf wrote:
> Now I need to go find something constructive to post. I don't
> suppose anyone cares for a trip report of five weeks on a cruise
> ship or 8500 miles across America by car? Perhaps an essay on how
> my wife has become collateral damage in the War on Drugs?

Just to de-lurk (or is there no hyphen there?), I misread that as ``five
weeks on a cruise ship about 8500 miles across America by car,'' which
naturally lead me to hope that someone had revived the concept of the
Land-Titanic. I only hope it didn't strike a mailbox and go under.

My condolences towards your cat as well; that's a truly vile act.

> Cheers, Bruce

landon


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Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Venkat Mangudi - Silk]

I love the wisdom of copra. Sample deep thought The physical world is
the foundation of the mechanics of timelessness.


I am now hooked!

On Saturday, September 12, 2015, Shenoy N  wrote:

> On 12 September 2015 at 10:44, Aditya Kapil  > wrote:
>
> > Yup. Me too. Remedies anyone?
> > On 12 Sep 2015 10:41, "Venkat Mangudi - Silk"  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > BTW, James Bond has been writing to me directly. Did anyone else get
> > emails
> > > from 007?
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> The best response to trolls of course is masterly inaction but there are
> times when the blood does boil and every particle in your being wishes to
> give it back to the sumbitch. I recommend random quotes from the likes of
> http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/ They are pithy. They are ungoogleable. They
> are profound gibberish.
>
>
> --
> Narendra Shenoy
> http://narendrashenoy.blogspot.com
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Venkat Mangudi - Silk]

Of course, I meant Chopra.

On Saturday, September 12, 2015, Venkat Mangudi - Silk <
s...@venkatmangudi.com> wrote:

> I love the wisdom of copra. Sample deep thought The physical world is
> the foundation of the mechanics of timelessness.
>
>
> I am now hooked!
>
> On Saturday, September 12, 2015, Shenoy N  > wrote:
>
>> On 12 September 2015 at 10:44, Aditya Kapil  wrote:
>>
>> > Yup. Me too. Remedies anyone?
>> > On 12 Sep 2015 10:41, "Venkat Mangudi - Silk" 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > BTW, James Bond has been writing to me directly. Did anyone else get
>> > emails
>> > > from 007?
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>> The best response to trolls of course is masterly inaction but there are
>> times when the blood does boil and every particle in your being wishes to
>> give it back to the sumbitch. I recommend random quotes from the likes of
>> http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/ They are pithy. They are ungoogleable.
>> They
>> are profound gibberish.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Narendra Shenoy
>> http://narendrashenoy.blogspot.com
>>
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Bruce A. Metcalf]

Deepa Mohan wrote:


Venkat Mangudi wrote:



But,  OTOH, I like... no,  love... Bruce's writing. I don't mind reading
more of it. Keep at it,  Bruce. :)


If at first we like your words, Alfred the Bruce...write, write, write again!


I'm glad some found entertainment in my remarks, snarky thought they 
were, but I must apologize to the list for having made them here. I do 
know better than to poke trolls, and should have refrained.


I will offer as faint excuse that I've been under a bit of stress and 
needing someone to lash out at -- Thursday morning someone shot my cat. 
It looks like he'll recover, but I've since learned that two other cats 
in the neighborhood were shot, killed, and draped over car hoods.


Clearly, our troll is not (yet) at that level of perversity, nor is he 
wanted for felony animal abuse (or so I assume), but he presented a 
broad target at a sensitive time, and I reacted with more wit than 
wisdom. I regret the disruption.


Now I need to go find something constructive to post. I don't suppose 
anyone cares for a trip report of five weeks on a cruise ship or 8500 
miles across America by car? Perhaps an essay on how my wife has become 
collateral damage in the War on Drugs?


Cheers,
Bruce

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

> On 12-Sep-2015, at 11:03 PM, Bruce A. Metcalf  wrote:
> 
> Now I need to go find something constructive to post. I don't suppose anyone 
> cares for a trip report of five weeks on a cruise ship or 8500 miles across 
> America by car? Perhaps an essay on how my wife has become collateral damage 
> in the War on Drugs?

The road trip, sure!  About your wife - extremely sorry to hear that it 
happened - whatever ‘it’ was.

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Radhika, Y.]

I would like to learn about both...sorry to hear the bad news about your
wife.


“Be careful what you water your dreams with. Water them with worry and fear
and you will produce weeds that choke the life from your dream. Water them
with optimism and solutions and you will cultivate success. Always be on
the lookout for ways to turn a problem into an opportunity for success.
Always be on the lookout for ways to nurture your dream." ~ Lao Tzu
(courtesy -Peacefrog)

““The most regretful people on earth are those who felt the call to
creative work, who felt their own creative power restive and uprising, and
gave to it neither power nor time.” -- Mary Oliver

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Venky TV]

On 12 September 2015 at 10:44, Aditya Kapil  wrote:

> Yup. Me too. Remedies anyone?


Umm.. block him? :D

- Venky (the Second).

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Biju Chacko]

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Mohit  wrote:
>
>> On 12-Sep-2015, at 18:52, Madhu Menon  wrote:
>>
>> Just told him to kiss my ass.
>
> Tch tch. You guys have no compassion for a deranged high iq soul.

I do. This list is full of them after all. That's why I gave him one
polite, reasoned explanation for the reception he received here before
I told him to take a flying fuck through a rolling donut.

I have to say it's been a good 10 or 15 years since I've felt like
strangling someone after reading an email. I can't remember if on the
last occasion it was Suresh or Atul, though. :-)

-- b

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Venkat Mangudi - Silk]

Tsk , tsk... This kind of language is going to get you *blocked*.  Ignoring
his emails have been working for me so far. And if it persists,  I'll
"report spam". Deal with metta, y'all.
On Sep 12, 2015 7:19 PM, "Biju Chacko"  wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Mohit  wrote:
> >
> >> On 12-Sep-2015, at 18:52, Madhu Menon  wrote:
> >>
> >> Just told him to kiss my ass.
> >
> > Tch tch. You guys have no compassion for a deranged high iq soul.
>
> I do. This list is full of them after all. That's why I gave him one
> polite, reasoned explanation for the reception he received here before
> I told him to take a flying fuck through a rolling donut.
>
> I have to say it's been a good 10 or 15 years since I've felt like
> strangling someone after reading an email. I can't remember if on the
> last occasion it was Suresh or Atul, though. :-)
>
> -- b
>
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Biju Chacko]

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Venkat Mangudi - Silk
 wrote:
> Tsk , tsk... This kind of language is going to get you *blocked*.  Ignoring
> his emails have been working for me so far. And if it persists,  I'll
> "report spam". Deal with metta, y'all.
 I put him in my killfile about a minute ago. It's been working real
well so far. :-)

-- b

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Deepa Mohan]

I think he's been writing to many of  us directly, complaining about
the noise some of the others are making. I am shedding this sacred
thread now. But yes, there was a nice little stir in the sedate silken
fabric.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Madhu Menon  wrote:
> On 12 September 2015 at 10:41, Venkat Mangudi - Silk
>  wrote:
>> BTW, James Bond has been writing to me directly. Did anyone else get emails
>> from 007?
>
> Yes. And he's pissing me off. Just told him to kiss my ass.
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Deepa Mohan]

What is this killfile?

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 7:25 PM, Biju Chacko  wrote:
>  I put him in my killfile about a minute ago. It's been working real
> well so far. :-)

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Biju Chacko]

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Madhu Menon  wrote:
> On 12 September 2015 at 10:41, Venkat Mangudi - Silk
>  wrote:
>> BTW, James Bond has been writing to me directly. Did anyone else get emails
>> from 007?
>
> Yes. And he's pissing me off. Just told him to kiss my ass.

Ditto.

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Madhu Menon]

On 12 September 2015 at 10:41, Venkat Mangudi - Silk
 wrote:
> BTW, James Bond has been writing to me directly. Did anyone else get emails
> from 007?

Yes. And he's pissing me off. Just told him to kiss my ass.

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Mohit]

> On 12-Sep-2015, at 18:52, Madhu Menon  wrote:
> 
> Just told him to kiss my ass.

Tch tch. You guys have no compassion for a deranged high iq soul.

Regards,
Mohit

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Vinayak Hegde]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Salil61  wrote:
> Interesting Ethiopian example! I lived in Singapore for eight years in the 
> 90s. Singapore and Malaysia were free the same time. If I recall correctly 
> Singapore changed no name - all British names renamed and are the same to 
> this day. As James Bloodworth jokes, everything in Malaysia got renamed 
> Merdeka (independence) in Malaysia. When he was asked why Singapore didn't 
> change names of landmarks, Lee Kuan Yew said, "we should build some first." . 
> And no vanity monuments built either. Many pragmatic Singaporeans agreed. Lee 
> wanted his house destroyed so it doesn't become a museum after his death. 
> Many things to dislike about Lee, but not this u emotionalism.

I am unsure why Lee Kuan Yew is help up as a paragon of governance (He
obviously got some things right no doubt) as there are a lot of big
chinks his armour. You need no landmarks (such as your house) when
your family effectively controls the country and suppresses dissent.
The PAP might be defeated in the upcoming historic election.

eg. 
http://qz.com/497287/singapore-blogger-roy-ngerng-sued-by-prime-minister-lee/


The Lee dynasty that runs Singapore has always been touchy about
criticism. Like his father, the late Lee Kuan Yew, prime minister Lee
Hsien Loong and his People’s Action Party (PAP) have a habit of suing
their detractors for defamation or for “scandalizing the court,”
leaving many of them in financial ruin.


Thanks
Vinayak

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Deepa Mohan]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Bruce A. Metcalf  wrote:
> On 09/09/2015 11:07 PM, James Bonilla wrote:
>
>> P.P.S. I have answers for everything.
>
>
> If this is so, then why do you trouble yourself in discussion with others,
> who could, by definition, add nothing to your understanding?
>



Bruce..enjoyed your words very much.  I am surprised that no one has,
in repsonse to the words, "I have answers for everything", typed the
single number, 42.

>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Vinayak Hegde]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Sriram Karra  wrote:
>> When I visit Long Island (part of New York State) I'm always amused when I
>> see the road signs for "New Highway":
>>
>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/New+Hwy,+Amityville,+NY+11701/@40.708254,-73.4014755,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x89e82b3ce1fb74e7:0x114871aa590cfd8c
>> I don't know the history - but "New Highway" has been around for a while.
>>
>
> This chap will be a serious contender for the record for this sort of
> thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mosque_(Istanbul)

Naaah. :) Not as good any my horse in this race - The Old new
Synagogue in Prague
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_New_Synagogue

It's pretty old (built in 1270) but there was an even older which has
since been demolished but the name has stuck :)

-- Vinayak

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Vinayak Hegde]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Vinayak Hegde  wrote:
>> I am unsure why Lee Kuan Yew is help up as a paragon of governance (He
>> obviously got some things right no doubt) as there are a lot of big
>> chinks his armour.
>>
>
> I find it extremely amusing that Salil is being accused of being a LKY
> supporter. :)

Just to be clear, not accusing anyone of anything. This was mostly in
response to the general adulation I saw on twitter on his death when
many articles that I read about him started with something similar to
the para that I quoted.

-- Vinayak

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Venkat Mangudi - Silk]

But,  OTOH, I like... no,  love... Bruce's writing. I don't mind reading
more of it. Keep at it,  Bruce. :)
On Sep 11, 2015 10:48 PM, "Aditya Kapil"  wrote:

> Bruce,
> Don't waste your energies man.
> Strip away the words 'mexican', 'buddhist' and 'metta' and there'll be
> nothing left.
> You're being pseudo-intellectually honey-trapped. Don't pander. The list
> owner has already speculated that this might be a fake email ID.
> Adit.
> On 11 Sep 2015 21:00, "Bruce A. Metcalf"  wrote:
>
> > Dear James,
> >
> > P.P.S. I have answers for everything.
> 
> >>>
> >>> If this is so, then why do you trouble yourself in discussion with
> >>> others,
> >>> who could, by definition, add nothing to your understanding?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Did you not see my earlier email that people tend to underestimate
> >> Hispanics?
> >>
> >
> > If you believe you have answers for everything, anyone who considers you
> > less than Godlike in your wisdom would be underestimating you.
> >
> > As for your ethnicity, I would have had no idea about what it was had you
> > not started this thread with a public notice -- something not commonly
> done
> > here, and thus curious.
> >
> > This and your claim of high intelligence informed me that a chip was
> > indeed upon your shoulder, and you really should have expected this group
> > to try to knock it off. After all, you did review the message list before
> > posting, and given your omniscience, should have seen that coming
> (without
> > any regard whatsoever to you ethnicity).
> >
> >
> > This was supposed to be a joke. I am sorry that you did not read
> >> it that way.
> >>
> >
> > So were some -- but not all -- of my comments. I'm sorry you don't seem
> to
> > be able to tell the difference.
> >
> >
> > At the same time, I don't appreciate being told that I am not
> >> following the rules.
> >>
> >
> > Rule, singular. "Assume goodwill" is that rule, and when your first post
> > establishes you on the defensive, it makes this lister suspect that you
> > don't understand what we're about here.
> >
> >
> > I truly believe that you are violating the spirit of discussion on this
> >> forum.
> >>
> >
> > How? By trying to poke gentle fun at you? By suggesting your claims are
> > comical? By failing to presume sufficient goodwill to believe all that
> you
> > say? Just which crime are you accusing me of?
> >
> >
> > Please do not use bad language or I will simply have to block you.
> >>
> >
> > That wasn't "bad language" in my book. "Stirring the shit" was selected
> > very carefully from my vocabulary of words and phrases as being the most
> > evocative of how I viewed your postings here.
> >
> > If one "shit", used in context, puts me on your blocked list, then it
> > suggests that you are only willing to use a sub-set of English (large
> > though that set may be), and I suspect your intellectual world will be
> > slightly impoverished thereby. Block me if you fear such words, as I may
> > well "shit" again!
> >
> >
> > I would really recommend the Buddha Dharma Facebook Group where clear
> >>
> > > rules are laid out. This way, we can see who is violating the rules.
> >
> > That would be useful if I were concerned about finding someone to blame
> > for this discussion. I'm not. Maybe that's your hobby.
> >
> > I am concerned about having an intelligent conversation with other
> > silklisters -- a group I'm not yet sure you fit into very well, except
> > perhaps as the token troll as others have suggested.
> >
> > If you are interested in becoming one of us, let me offer the suggestion
> > that you limit yourself to one post per day. In this manner, you give us
> > all time to consider and respond to your first post, and you give
> yourself
> > time to contemplate your reply.
> >
> > Then again, if self-doubt isn't part of your makeup, or you don't care
> > what we might have to say, or you intend to rely on the answers you
> already
> > have, then perhaps fewer than one post per day might be even better.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > / Bruce /
> >
> >
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Sriram Karra]

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 6:38 PM, Sean Doyle  wrote:

>
> When I visit Long Island (part of New York State) I'm always amused when I
> see the road signs for "New Highway":
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/New+Hwy,+Amityville,+NY+11701/@40.708254,-73.4014755,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x89e82b3ce1fb74e7:0x114871aa590cfd8c
> I don't know the history - but "New Highway" has been around for a while.
>

This chap will be a serious contender for the record for this sort of
thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mosque_(Istanbul)

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Aditya Kapil]

And what was it called?
On 11 Sep 2015 15:35, "Suresh Ramasubramanian"  wrote:

> Ha, there WAS in fact a yes minister hindi remake starring Rakesh Bedi in
> the Jim Hacker role - as the CM of a state, though.
>
> > On 11-Sep-2015, at 3:26 PM, Shenoy N  wrote:
> >
> >> I can imagine an indian Sir Humphrey telling an indian Jim Hacker, who
> is
> >> raring to change things, that the best thing to change is the name of a
> >> road. Jim hacker will protest and insist that he'd much rather improve
> mass
> >> public transport, water supply, public health and education. Sir
> Humphrey
> >> will patiently lead him through scenarios which show how he can lose
> major
> >> support over each of these actions. In the end, Jim Hacker will
> resignedly
> >> tell Sir Humprey to announce the change in the road name. Sir Humphrey
> and
> >> Bernard wooley will reply with a "Yes, Minister!"
>
>
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Shenoy N]

> I can imagine an indian Sir Humphrey telling an indian Jim Hacker, who is
> raring to change things, that the best thing to change is the name of a
> road. Jim hacker will protest and insist that he'd much rather improve mass
> public transport, water supply, public health and education. Sir Humphrey
> will patiently lead him through scenarios which show how he can lose major
> support over each of these actions. In the end, Jim Hacker will resignedly
> tell Sir Humprey to announce the change in the road name. Sir Humphrey and
> Bernard wooley will reply with a "Yes, Minister!"




-- 
Narendra Shenoy
http://narendrashenoy.blogspot.com

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Ha, there WAS in fact a yes minister hindi remake starring Rakesh Bedi in the 
Jim Hacker role - as the CM of a state, though.

> On 11-Sep-2015, at 3:26 PM, Shenoy N  wrote:
> 
>> I can imagine an indian Sir Humphrey telling an indian Jim Hacker, who is
>> raring to change things, that the best thing to change is the name of a
>> road. Jim hacker will protest and insist that he'd much rather improve mass
>> public transport, water supply, public health and education. Sir Humphrey
>> will patiently lead him through scenarios which show how he can lose major
>> support over each of these actions. In the end, Jim Hacker will resignedly
>> tell Sir Humprey to announce the change in the road name. Sir Humphrey and
>> Bernard wooley will reply with a "Yes, Minister!"

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Deepa Mohan]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Venkat Mangudi - Silk
 wrote:
> But,  OTOH, I like... no,  love... Bruce's writing. I don't mind reading
> more of it. Keep at it,  Bruce. :)

If at first we like your words, Alfred the Bruce...write, write, write again!

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Venkat Mangudi - Silk]

BTW, James Bond has been writing to me directly. Did anyone else get emails
from 007?


On Saturday, September 12, 2015, Suresh Ramasubramanian 
wrote:

> Ah, I am so glad silk list metta up with “Bonilla”, if it made Salil come
> out of lurk mode here :)
>
> As someone else said, we need a resident troll here - if only to keep
> conversation moving.  Most of the infrequent threads on silk so far in the
> past several months have been about meeting up for beer.  Good fun and all
> that, but I kind of miss the old days.
>
> —srs
>
> > On 12-Sep-2015, at 9:37 AM, Salil61 >
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey, I didn't join the Twitter mourners, as those who know my writing
> would know. .
> >
> > See these
> >
> http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/tJmgofWYWCJmdQYzaNbAtO/Lee-kuan-yews-Singapore.html
> >
> >
> https://www.indexoncensorship.org/2015/07/salil-tripathi-as-singapore-turns-50-is-it-at-the-cusp-becoming-different/
> >
> > But I also said this - Lee was kind of nicer than the Indian dude
> http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/LaRzxEGaaMCicAPBuX7weK/Size-matters.html
>
>
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Aditya Kapil]

Yup. Me too. Remedies anyone?
On 12 Sep 2015 10:41, "Venkat Mangudi - Silk" 
wrote:

> BTW, James Bond has been writing to me directly. Did anyone else get emails
> from 007?
>
>
> On Saturday, September 12, 2015, Suresh Ramasubramanian  >
> wrote:
>
> > Ah, I am so glad silk list metta up with “Bonilla”, if it made Salil come
> > out of lurk mode here :)
> >
> > As someone else said, we need a resident troll here - if only to keep
> > conversation moving.  Most of the infrequent threads on silk so far in
> the
> > past several months have been about meeting up for beer.  Good fun and
> all
> > that, but I kind of miss the old days.
> >
> > —srs
> >
> > > On 12-Sep-2015, at 9:37 AM, Salil61 >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey, I didn't join the Twitter mourners, as those who know my writing
> > would know. .
> > >
> > > See these
> > >
> >
> http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/tJmgofWYWCJmdQYzaNbAtO/Lee-kuan-yews-Singapore.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.indexoncensorship.org/2015/07/salil-tripathi-as-singapore-turns-50-is-it-at-the-cusp-becoming-different/
> > >
> > > But I also said this - Lee was kind of nicer than the Indian dude
> > http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/LaRzxEGaaMCicAPBuX7weK/Size-matters.html
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Ah, I am so glad silk list metta up with “Bonilla”, if it made Salil come out 
of lurk mode here :)

As someone else said, we need a resident troll here - if only to keep 
conversation moving.  Most of the infrequent threads on silk so far in the past 
several months have been about meeting up for beer.  Good fun and all that, but 
I kind of miss the old days.

—srs

> On 12-Sep-2015, at 9:37 AM, Salil61  wrote:
> 
> Hey, I didn't join the Twitter mourners, as those who know my writing would 
> know. . 
> 
> See these 
> http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/tJmgofWYWCJmdQYzaNbAtO/Lee-kuan-yews-Singapore.html
> 
> https://www.indexoncensorship.org/2015/07/salil-tripathi-as-singapore-turns-50-is-it-at-the-cusp-becoming-different/
> 
> But I also said this - Lee was kind of nicer than the Indian dude 
> http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/LaRzxEGaaMCicAPBuX7weK/Size-matters.html

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Shenoy N]

On 12 September 2015 at 10:44, Aditya Kapil  wrote:

> Yup. Me too. Remedies anyone?
> On 12 Sep 2015 10:41, "Venkat Mangudi - Silk" 
> wrote:
>
> > BTW, James Bond has been writing to me directly. Did anyone else get
> emails
> > from 007?
> >
> >
>

The best response to trolls of course is masterly inaction but there are
times when the blood does boil and every particle in your being wishes to
give it back to the sumbitch. I recommend random quotes from the likes of
http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/ They are pithy. They are ungoogleable. They
are profound gibberish.


-- 
Narendra Shenoy
http://narendrashenoy.blogspot.com

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

> On 11-Sep-2015, at 3:36 PM, Aditya Kapil  wrote:
> 
> And what was it called?
> On 11 Sep 2015 15:35, "Suresh Ramasubramanian"  wrote:
> 
>> Ha, there WAS in fact a yes minister hindi remake starring Rakesh Bedi in
>> the Jim Hacker role - as the CM of a state, though.

Sorry - not Rakesh Bedi

Farooque Sheikh in the Jim Hacker role and Jayant Kriplani as Sir Humphrey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ji_Mantriji

Unfortunately it was a turkey and got pulled after a few episodes - the 
proposed Ji Pradhanmantriji remake of Yes Prime Minister was never shot.

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Salil61]

Hey, I didn't join the Twitter mourners, as those who know my writing would 
know. . 

See these 
http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/tJmgofWYWCJmdQYzaNbAtO/Lee-kuan-yews-Singapore.html

https://www.indexoncensorship.org/2015/07/salil-tripathi-as-singapore-turns-50-is-it-at-the-cusp-becoming-different/

But I also said this - Lee was kind of nicer than the Indian dude 
http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/LaRzxEGaaMCicAPBuX7weK/Size-matters.html


Sent from my iPhone

> On 11 Sep 2015, at 17:10, Vinayak Hegde  wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:
>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Vinayak Hegde  wrote:
>>> I am unsure why Lee Kuan Yew is help up as a paragon of governance (He
>>> obviously got some things right no doubt) as there are a lot of big
>>> chinks his armour.
>> 
>> I find it extremely amusing that Salil is being accused of being a LKY
>> supporter. :)
> 
> Just to be clear, not accusing anyone of anything. This was mostly in
> response to the general adulation I saw on twitter on his death when
> many articles that I read about him started with something similar to
> the para that I quoted.
> 
> -- Vinayak
> 

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Salil61]

:-) thanks Udhay! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 11 Sep 2015, at 08:27, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Vinayak Hegde  wrote:
> 
> 
>> I am unsure why Lee Kuan Yew is help up as a paragon of governance (He
>> obviously got some things right no doubt) as there are a lot of big
>> chinks his armour.
> 
> ​I find it extremely amusing that Salil is being accused of being a LKY
> supporter. :)​
> 
> ​Udhay​
> -- 
> 
> ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Salil61]

Vinayak

I've been at the receiving end of Singapore government's dislike of free media. 
I worked at far eastern economic review. An issue where I wrote about temasek 
got into trouble as it had an interview with Chee soon Juan. So, yes, I know, 
and do look up my pieces on Singapore and the free press besides other things. 

But like every individual, there were some sensible things Harry Lee did

Salil

Sent from my iPhone

> On 11 Sep 2015, at 07:44, Vinayak Hegde  wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Salil61  wrote:
>> Interesting Ethiopian example! I lived in Singapore for eight years in the 
>> 90s. Singapore and Malaysia were free the same time. If I recall correctly 
>> Singapore changed no name - all British names renamed and are the same to 
>> this day. As James Bloodworth jokes, everything in Malaysia got renamed 
>> Merdeka (independence) in Malaysia. When he was asked why Singapore didn't 
>> change names of landmarks, Lee Kuan Yew said, "we should build some first." 
>> . And no vanity monuments built either. Many pragmatic Singaporeans agreed. 
>> Lee wanted his house destroyed so it doesn't become a museum after his 
>> death. Many things to dislike about Lee, but not this u emotionalism.
> 
> I am unsure why Lee Kuan Yew is help up as a paragon of governance (He
> obviously got some things right no doubt) as there are a lot of big
> chinks his armour. You need no landmarks (such as your house) when
> your family effectively controls the country and suppresses dissent.
> The PAP might be defeated in the upcoming historic election.
> 
> eg. 
> http://qz.com/497287/singapore-blogger-roy-ngerng-sued-by-prime-minister-lee/
> 
> 
> The Lee dynasty that runs Singapore has always been touchy about
> criticism. Like his father, the late Lee Kuan Yew, prime minister Lee
> Hsien Loong and his People’s Action Party (PAP) have a habit of suing
> their detractors for defamation or for “scandalizing the court,”
> leaving many of them in financial ruin.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Vinayak
> 

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Salil61]

I'd fail the physical fitness test. Notice how all PAP candidates look like 
they're coming out of the national reservists' drill? They're fitter than a 
club cricket side :-) 

Sent from my iPhone

On 11 Sep 2015, at 09:06, Bhaskar Dasgupta  wrote:

>> 
>> 
>>> I am unsure why Lee Kuan Yew is help up as a paragon of governance (He
>>> obviously got some things right no doubt) as there are a lot of big
>>> chinks his armour.
>> 
>> ​I find it extremely amusing that Salil is being accused of being a LKY
>> supporter. :)​
>> 
>> ​Udhay​
>> --
> i personally think Salil the elder has plans to return to Singers and
> become a PAP member of parliament. The PAP might be different though :)

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Bruce A. Metcalf]

Dear James,


P.P.S. I have answers for everything.


If this is so, then why do you trouble yourself in discussion with others,
who could, by definition, add nothing to your understanding?


Did you not see my earlier email that people tend to underestimate
Hispanics?


If you believe you have answers for everything, anyone who considers you 
less than Godlike in your wisdom would be underestimating you.


As for your ethnicity, I would have had no idea about what it was had 
you not started this thread with a public notice -- something not 
commonly done here, and thus curious.


This and your claim of high intelligence informed me that a chip was 
indeed upon your shoulder, and you really should have expected this 
group to try to knock it off. After all, you did review the message list 
before posting, and given your omniscience, should have seen that coming 
(without any regard whatsoever to you ethnicity).




This was supposed to be a joke. I am sorry that you did not read
it that way.


So were some -- but not all -- of my comments. I'm sorry you don't seem 
to be able to tell the difference.




At the same time, I don't appreciate being told that I am not
following the rules.


Rule, singular. "Assume goodwill" is that rule, and when your first post 
establishes you on the defensive, it makes this lister suspect that you 
don't understand what we're about here.




I truly believe that you are violating the spirit of discussion on this
forum.


How? By trying to poke gentle fun at you? By suggesting your claims are 
comical? By failing to presume sufficient goodwill to believe all that 
you say? Just which crime are you accusing me of?




Please do not use bad language or I will simply have to block you.


That wasn't "bad language" in my book. "Stirring the shit" was selected 
very carefully from my vocabulary of words and phrases as being the most 
evocative of how I viewed your postings here.


If one "shit", used in context, puts me on your blocked list, then it 
suggests that you are only willing to use a sub-set of English (large 
though that set may be), and I suspect your intellectual world will be 
slightly impoverished thereby. Block me if you fear such words, as I may 
well "shit" again!




I would really recommend the Buddha Dharma Facebook Group where clear

> rules are laid out. This way, we can see who is violating the rules.

That would be useful if I were concerned about finding someone to blame 
for this discussion. I'm not. Maybe that's your hobby.


I am concerned about having an intelligent conversation with other 
silklisters -- a group I'm not yet sure you fit into very well, except 
perhaps as the token troll as others have suggested.


If you are interested in becoming one of us, let me offer the suggestion 
that you limit yourself to one post per day. In this manner, you give us 
all time to consider and respond to your first post, and you give 
yourself time to contemplate your reply.


Then again, if self-doubt isn't part of your makeup, or you don't care 
what we might have to say, or you intend to rely on the answers you 
already have, then perhaps fewer than one post per day might be even better.


Cheers,
/ Bruce /

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Aditya Kapil]

Bruce,
Don't waste your energies man.
Strip away the words 'mexican', 'buddhist' and 'metta' and there'll be
nothing left.
You're being pseudo-intellectually honey-trapped. Don't pander. The list
owner has already speculated that this might be a fake email ID.
Adit.
On 11 Sep 2015 21:00, "Bruce A. Metcalf"  wrote:

> Dear James,
>
> P.P.S. I have answers for everything.

>>>
>>> If this is so, then why do you trouble yourself in discussion with
>>> others,
>>> who could, by definition, add nothing to your understanding?
>>>
>>
>> Did you not see my earlier email that people tend to underestimate
>> Hispanics?
>>
>
> If you believe you have answers for everything, anyone who considers you
> less than Godlike in your wisdom would be underestimating you.
>
> As for your ethnicity, I would have had no idea about what it was had you
> not started this thread with a public notice -- something not commonly done
> here, and thus curious.
>
> This and your claim of high intelligence informed me that a chip was
> indeed upon your shoulder, and you really should have expected this group
> to try to knock it off. After all, you did review the message list before
> posting, and given your omniscience, should have seen that coming (without
> any regard whatsoever to you ethnicity).
>
>
> This was supposed to be a joke. I am sorry that you did not read
>> it that way.
>>
>
> So were some -- but not all -- of my comments. I'm sorry you don't seem to
> be able to tell the difference.
>
>
> At the same time, I don't appreciate being told that I am not
>> following the rules.
>>
>
> Rule, singular. "Assume goodwill" is that rule, and when your first post
> establishes you on the defensive, it makes this lister suspect that you
> don't understand what we're about here.
>
>
> I truly believe that you are violating the spirit of discussion on this
>> forum.
>>
>
> How? By trying to poke gentle fun at you? By suggesting your claims are
> comical? By failing to presume sufficient goodwill to believe all that you
> say? Just which crime are you accusing me of?
>
>
> Please do not use bad language or I will simply have to block you.
>>
>
> That wasn't "bad language" in my book. "Stirring the shit" was selected
> very carefully from my vocabulary of words and phrases as being the most
> evocative of how I viewed your postings here.
>
> If one "shit", used in context, puts me on your blocked list, then it
> suggests that you are only willing to use a sub-set of English (large
> though that set may be), and I suspect your intellectual world will be
> slightly impoverished thereby. Block me if you fear such words, as I may
> well "shit" again!
>
>
> I would really recommend the Buddha Dharma Facebook Group where clear
>>
> > rules are laid out. This way, we can see who is violating the rules.
>
> That would be useful if I were concerned about finding someone to blame
> for this discussion. I'm not. Maybe that's your hobby.
>
> I am concerned about having an intelligent conversation with other
> silklisters -- a group I'm not yet sure you fit into very well, except
> perhaps as the token troll as others have suggested.
>
> If you are interested in becoming one of us, let me offer the suggestion
> that you limit yourself to one post per day. In this manner, you give us
> all time to consider and respond to your first post, and you give yourself
> time to contemplate your reply.
>
> Then again, if self-doubt isn't part of your makeup, or you don't care
> what we might have to say, or you intend to rely on the answers you already
> have, then perhaps fewer than one post per day might be even better.
>
> Cheers,
> / Bruce /
>
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Sean Doyle]

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:27 AM, Venkat Mangudi - Silk <
s...@venkatmangudi.com> wrote:

> We,  as in Indians,  love renaming stuff. Roads,  cities,  states, and just
> above everything else that may or may not belong to anyone in particular.
> Cologne is now Koln. How is this any different?
> On Sep 10, 2015 11:26 AM, "Ekta Bahl"  wrote:
>
> > No faculty shortage for a "course in corruption" in India.
>

When I visit Long Island (part of New York State) I'm always amused when I
see the road signs for "New Highway":
https://www.google.com/maps/place/New+Hwy,+Amityville,+NY+11701/@40.708254,-73.4014755,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x89e82b3ce1fb74e7:0x114871aa590cfd8c
I don't know the history - but "New Highway" has been around for a while.

Some times I think - wow - there's no corruption here because no one paid
for the highway to get named after themselves. Other days I think that this
was a mark of 'peak apathy'. But I am amazed that no one has stepped in to
give it a name.

[Unless - of course - it was named after someone named 'New'  :-)]


> >
> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Udhay Shankar N 
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > ​
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.deccanherald.com/content/500134/national-law-school-plans-offer.html
> > > ​
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Rajesh Mehar]

There is an apocryphal story about a Hamilton Bridge in Chennai (used to be
Madras when this story happened) that was pronounced variously by
non-English-speakers as Amton bridge, Umton bridge, etc.

One year, there was a huge drive to have bilingual signs in English and
Tamil. The bridge sported brand new signs reading Barber's Bridge in
English and Ambtan Bridge in Tamil. The closest Tamil word to the
mispronounced English name got retranslated into English to get this
beautiful name change. Ambattan (அம்பட்டன்) = Barber

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015, 19:45 Venkat Mangudi - Silk 
wrote:

> Talking about New... There's a road in Piscataway, NJ called Old New
> Brunswick Road. I'm almost certain that there is a corresponding New New
> Brunswick Road. Guess they just are tired of hunting for new names. :)
> On Sep 10, 2015 6:38 PM, "Sean Doyle"  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:27 AM, Venkat Mangudi - Silk <
> > s...@venkatmangudi.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We,  as in Indians,  love renaming stuff. Roads,  cities,  states, and
> > just
> > > above everything else that may or may not belong to anyone in
> particular.
> > > Cologne is now Koln. How is this any different?
> > > On Sep 10, 2015 11:26 AM, "Ekta Bahl"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > No faculty shortage for a "course in corruption" in India.
> > >
> >
> > When I visit Long Island (part of New York State) I'm always amused when
> I
> > see the road signs for "New Highway":
> >
> >
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/New+Hwy,+Amityville,+NY+11701/@40.708254,-73.4014755,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x89e82b3ce1fb74e7:0x114871aa590cfd8c
> > I don't know the history - but "New Highway" has been around for a while.
> >
> > Some times I think - wow - there's no corruption here because no one paid
> > for the highway to get named after themselves. Other days I think that
> this
> > was a mark of 'peak apathy'. But I am amazed that no one has stepped in
> to
> > give it a name.
> >
> > [Unless - of course - it was named after someone named 'New'  :-)]
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Udhay Shankar N 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ​
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.deccanherald.com/content/500134/national-law-school-plans-offer.html
> > > > > ​
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Venkat Mangudi - Silk]

Talking about New... There's a road in Piscataway, NJ called Old New
Brunswick Road. I'm almost certain that there is a corresponding New New
Brunswick Road. Guess they just are tired of hunting for new names. :)
On Sep 10, 2015 6:38 PM, "Sean Doyle"  wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:27 AM, Venkat Mangudi - Silk <
> s...@venkatmangudi.com> wrote:
>
> > We,  as in Indians,  love renaming stuff. Roads,  cities,  states, and
> just
> > above everything else that may or may not belong to anyone in particular.
> > Cologne is now Koln. How is this any different?
> > On Sep 10, 2015 11:26 AM, "Ekta Bahl"  wrote:
> >
> > > No faculty shortage for a "course in corruption" in India.
> >
>
> When I visit Long Island (part of New York State) I'm always amused when I
> see the road signs for "New Highway":
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/New+Hwy,+Amityville,+NY+11701/@40.708254,-73.4014755,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x89e82b3ce1fb74e7:0x114871aa590cfd8c
> I don't know the history - but "New Highway" has been around for a while.
>
> Some times I think - wow - there's no corruption here because no one paid
> for the highway to get named after themselves. Other days I think that this
> was a mark of 'peak apathy'. But I am amazed that no one has stepped in to
> give it a name.
>
> [Unless - of course - it was named after someone named 'New'  :-)]
>
>
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Udhay Shankar N 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ​
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.deccanherald.com/content/500134/national-law-school-plans-offer.html
> > > > ​
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[harry]

I remember visiting various government offices in Addis Abeba in 2009 - and
some of the buildings still had inauguration plaques on the walls from the
time of the Derg regime(one of the most brutal periods in Ethiopia), and
some buildings had been named after marxist heroes. Many buildings still
had communist sickles even though the Derg had been overthrown in 1987. I
asked one of the civil servants why did they still have these things
decorating the walls. He gave me a simple answer - "this is history, some
history is good, some bad - we have to remember both".


On 10 September 2015 at 08:03, James Bonilla  wrote:

> Three links on the renaming of the Aurangzeb Road:
>
> (1) From the Indian Express:
>
> http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/renaming-aurangzeb-road-kalam-dragged-into-controversy-he-tried-to-avoid-all-his-life-congress/
>
> (2) From the mouth of Irfan Habib:
>
> http://www.catchnews.com/india-news/aurangzeb-road-renamed-akbar-and-shah-jahan-are-next-irfan-habib-1440878982.html
>
> (3) From DNA India :
>
> http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-pm-narendra-modi-under-fire-by-civil-society-over-aurnagzeb-road-ftii-row-2122340
>
> There is much to be said for leaving historical names alone. But there is
> much precedent for renaming roads (but not countries) named after a
> "favcorite bad guy". Agree? Disagree? Comments?
>  - James
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[James Bonilla]

Dear Bruce,

Comments below.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Bruce A. Metcalf 
wrote:

> On 09/09/2015 11:07 PM, James Bonilla wrote:
>
> P.P.S. I have answers for everything.
>>
>
> If this is so, then why do you trouble yourself in discussion with others,
> who could, by definition, add nothing to your understanding?
>
Did you not see my earlier email that people tend to underestimate
Hispanics? This was supposed to be a joke. I am sorry that you did not read
it that way. At the same time, I don't appreciate being told that I am not
following the rules.

I truly believe that you are violating the spirit of discussion on this
forum. Please do not use bad language or I will simply have to block you. I
would really recommend the Buddha Dharma Facebook Group where clear rules
are laid out. This way, we can see who is violating the rules.

Best wishes,
James B.

>
> I would think that if I had answers for everything, I should say very
> little except to quote prices for my answers and wait for the world to come
> sit at my feet and toss coins in rapturous admiration.
>
> Alas, I have had my IQ rated at only 172, so perhaps this burden of
> additional brainpower has obliged me to question even my own answers.
>
> But then, you didn't say that your answers were correct, and that would
> certainly make such a task far easier.
>
> / Bruce /
>
> P.S. Thanks for coming here and stirring the shit so effectively; it
> should provide impetus for many interesting discussions. Only, did you have
> to use such a very large paddle?
>
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[James Bonilla]

There is no martyrdom. I am simply replying to various accusations.

 - 007

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 9:14 AM, James Bonilla 
> wrote:
>
> Bruce, this discussion would be better on the Buddhist Debate Group. And
> > please watch your language. I am glad you have not called me a "spic"
> yet.
> > Alas, the people on the Buddhist Debate Group have beaten you to it.
> >
>
> ​I have no problem with Bruce's language. I do have a problem with your
> pre-emptive (and entirely unnecessary) martyrdom. I would strongly suggest
> you ease up on your lecturing, and your post flood. My next step will be to
> place this account on moderation.​
>
> ​Udhay​
> --
>
> ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Udhay Shankar N]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 9:14 AM, James Bonilla 
wrote:

Bruce, this discussion would be better on the Buddhist Debate Group. And
> please watch your language. I am glad you have not called me a "spic" yet.
> Alas, the people on the Buddhist Debate Group have beaten you to it.
>

​I have no problem with Bruce's language. I do have a problem with your
pre-emptive (and entirely unnecessary) martyrdom. I would strongly suggest
you ease up on your lecturing, and your post flood. My next step will be to
place this account on moderation.​

​Udhay​
-- 

((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Bruce A. Metcalf]

On 09/09/2015 11:07 PM, James Bonilla wrote:


P.P.S. I have answers for everything.


If this is so, then why do you trouble yourself in discussion with 
others, who could, by definition, add nothing to your understanding?


I would think that if I had answers for everything, I should say very 
little except to quote prices for my answers and wait for the world to 
come sit at my feet and toss coins in rapturous admiration.


Alas, I have had my IQ rated at only 172, so perhaps this burden of 
additional brainpower has obliged me to question even my own answers.


But then, you didn't say that your answers were correct, and that would 
certainly make such a task far easier.


/ Bruce /

P.S. Thanks for coming here and stirring the shit so effectively; it 
should provide impetus for many interesting discussions. Only, did you 
have to use such a very large paddle?

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[James Bonilla]

Bruce, this discussion would be better on the Buddhist Debate Group. And
please watch your language. I am glad you have not called me a "spic" yet.
Alas, the people on the Buddhist Debate Group have beaten you to it.

 - James B.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Bruce A. Metcalf 
wrote:

> On 09/09/2015 11:07 PM, James Bonilla wrote:
>
> P.P.S. I have answers for everything.
>>
>
> If this is so, then why do you trouble yourself in discussion with others,
> who could, by definition, add nothing to your understanding?
>
> I would think that if I had answers for everything, I should say very
> little except to quote prices for my answers and wait for the world to come
> sit at my feet and toss coins in rapturous admiration.
>
> Alas, I have had my IQ rated at only 172, so perhaps this burden of
> additional brainpower has obliged me to question even my own answers.
>
> But then, you didn't say that your answers were correct, and that would
> certainly make such a task far easier.
>
> / Bruce /
>
> P.S. Thanks for coming here and stirring the shit so effectively; it
> should provide impetus for many interesting discussions. Only, did you have
> to use such a very large paddle?
>
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[James Bonilla]

Renaming things named after your "favorite bad guy" seems to be a
preoccupation of people everywhere. The Russians did it. The Ukrainians did
it too.

It is undeniable, however, that is extremely wasteful as an activity.
H I am going to think about it. I think I have the beginning of a
paper, even. Why does this happen? Why are these problems not quite
resolved?

Notwithstanding the IQ and whatever, I will note that it is actually really
hard to produce a good paper. Still, I am going to try..

It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.

 - JB 007

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Venkat Mangudi - Silk <
s...@venkatmangudi.com> wrote:

> We,  as in Indians,  love renaming stuff. Roads,  cities,  states, and just
> above everything else that may or may not belong to anyone in particular.
> Cologne is now Koln. How is this any different?
> On Sep 10, 2015 11:26 AM, "Ekta Bahl"  wrote:
>
> > No faculty shortage for a "course in corruption" in India.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Udhay Shankar N 
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > ​
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.deccanherald.com/content/500134/national-law-school-plans-offer.html
> > > ​
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Salil61]

Interesting Ethiopian example! I lived in Singapore for eight years in the 90s. 
Singapore and Malaysia were free the same time. If I recall correctly Singapore 
changed no name - all British names renamed and are the same to this day. As 
James Bloodworth jokes, everything in Malaysia got renamed Merdeka 
(independence) in Malaysia. When he was asked why Singapore didn't change names 
of landmarks, Lee Kuan Yew said, "we should build some first." . And no vanity 
monuments built either. Many pragmatic Singaporeans agreed. Lee wanted his 
house destroyed so it doesn't become a museum after his death. Many things to 
dislike about Lee, but not this u emotionalism. 

Salil 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Sep 2015, at 18:13, harry  wrote:
> 
> I remember visiting various government offices in Addis Abeba in 2009 - and
> some of the buildings still had inauguration plaques on the walls from the
> time of the Derg regime(one of the most brutal periods in Ethiopia), and
> some buildings had been named after marxist heroes. Many buildings still
> had communist sickles even though the Derg had been overthrown in 1987. I
> asked one of the civil servants why did they still have these things
> decorating the walls. He gave me a simple answer - "this is history, some
> history is good, some bad - we have to remember both".
> 
> 
>> On 10 September 2015 at 08:03, James Bonilla  wrote:
>> 
>> Three links on the renaming of the Aurangzeb Road:
>> 
>> (1) From the Indian Express:
>> 
>> http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/renaming-aurangzeb-road-kalam-dragged-into-controversy-he-tried-to-avoid-all-his-life-congress/
>> 
>> (2) From the mouth of Irfan Habib:
>> 
>> http://www.catchnews.com/india-news/aurangzeb-road-renamed-akbar-and-shah-jahan-are-next-irfan-habib-1440878982.html
>> 
>> (3) From DNA India :
>> 
>> http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-pm-narendra-modi-under-fire-by-civil-society-over-aurnagzeb-road-ftii-row-2122340
>> 
>> There is much to be said for leaving historical names alone. But there is
>> much precedent for renaming roads (but not countries) named after a
>> "favcorite bad guy". Agree? Disagree? Comments?
>> - James
>> 

[silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[James Bonilla]

Three links on the renaming of the Aurangzeb Road:

(1) From the Indian Express:
http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/renaming-aurangzeb-road-kalam-dragged-into-controversy-he-tried-to-avoid-all-his-life-congress/

(2) From the mouth of Irfan Habib:
http://www.catchnews.com/india-news/aurangzeb-road-renamed-akbar-and-shah-jahan-are-next-irfan-habib-1440878982.html

(3) From DNA India :
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-pm-narendra-modi-under-fire-by-civil-society-over-aurnagzeb-road-ftii-row-2122340

There is much to be said for leaving historical names alone. But there is
much precedent for renaming roads (but not countries) named after a
"favcorite bad guy". Agree? Disagree? Comments?
 - James

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Why should a cynically political decision in this case, or an emotional 
decision in several other cases, have any sort of economic rationality attached 
to it?

If you wanted economic rationality you’d simply lay out cities as grids and 
name roads for GPS coordinates.

—srs

> On 10-Sep-2015, at 8:26 AM, James Bonilla  wrote:
> 
> In the interest of economic efficiency, I have a proposal regarding this.
> Simply put:
> 
> (1) There is an economic cost to renaming roads.
> 
> (2) To minimize costs, it is best to avoid renaming roads too many times.
> 
> (3) The easiest thing to do is to rename roads to something
> non-controversial (e.g. "Red road', "Green road', ... et cetera -or- "112th
> St NE", "113th St NE" and so on), and leave it that way.
> 
> I made a post on my Facebook group regarding this. Let me dig it up.
> 
> - James
> P.S. It gives me great pleasure to talk about bringing greater economic
> efficiency to the Land of the Buddha.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian 
> wrote:
> 
>> On 10-Sep-2015, at 8:03 AM, James Bonilla  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is much to be said for leaving historical names alone. But there is
>>> much precedent for renaming roads (but not countries) named after a
>>> "favcorite bad guy". Agree? Disagree? Comments?
>> 
>> Having seen various renames of roads here in Chennai, south India, and
>> other renames of cities (bombay to mumbai, formally - or the local /
>> informal / most likely racist abbreviation of “ahmednagar” in maharashtra
>> to just “nagar” or insisting on pronouncing “ahmedabad” in gujarat as
>> “amdavad”) - my reaction is to simply continue calling the city by its old
>> name.
>> 
>> Calling a road by its old name is just fine, and a best common practice  -
>> no cabbie or auto driver or anybody else is going to recognise what you
>> mean when you say APJ Abdul Kalam Road instead of Aurangzeb Road, or, to
>> pick an example much closer to me, “Ramachandra Adithanar Road” instead of
>> Gandhinagar 4th Main Road (which is surrounded by other Gandhinagar Nth
>> main roads all of which retain their old names).
>> 
>> There are still areas of Chennai known by the names of long demolished
>> landmarks - such as asking people to meet you “near the Eros Theater” -
>> which has been replaced by a mitsubishi dealership for almost two decades
>> now.
>> 
>> —srs
>> 

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[James Bonilla]

My short answer to that is : do you really want to pay more taxes?

I can think of a hundred reasons to pay more taxes (healthcare for all,
childcare for all, free college for all), but this is not a good one.
 - James

P.S. As an American, I hate paying taxes. I would certainly advise you,
dear Suresh, to also hold on to as much of your hard-earned money as you
can.
P.P.S. I have answers for everything. JAMES.  BONILLA. IS. BACK. (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aihte967SEg)

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian 
wrote:

> Why should a cynically political decision in this case, or an emotional
> decision in several other cases, have any sort of economic rationality
> attached to it?
>
> If you wanted economic rationality you’d simply lay out cities as grids
> and name roads for GPS coordinates.
>
> —srs
>
> > On 10-Sep-2015, at 8:26 AM, James Bonilla  wrote:
> >
> > In the interest of economic efficiency, I have a proposal regarding this.
> > Simply put:
> >
> > (1) There is an economic cost to renaming roads.
> >
> > (2) To minimize costs, it is best to avoid renaming roads too many times.
> >
> > (3) The easiest thing to do is to rename roads to something
> > non-controversial (e.g. "Red road', "Green road', ... et cetera -or-
> "112th
> > St NE", "113th St NE" and so on), and leave it that way.
> >
> > I made a post on my Facebook group regarding this. Let me dig it up.
> >
> > - James
> > P.S. It gives me great pleasure to talk about bringing greater economic
> > efficiency to the Land of the Buddha.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <
> sur...@hserus.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 10-Sep-2015, at 8:03 AM, James Bonilla 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There is much to be said for leaving historical names alone. But there
> is
> >>> much precedent for renaming roads (but not countries) named after a
> >>> "favcorite bad guy". Agree? Disagree? Comments?
> >>
> >> Having seen various renames of roads here in Chennai, south India, and
> >> other renames of cities (bombay to mumbai, formally - or the local /
> >> informal / most likely racist abbreviation of “ahmednagar” in
> maharashtra
> >> to just “nagar” or insisting on pronouncing “ahmedabad” in gujarat as
> >> “amdavad”) - my reaction is to simply continue calling the city by its
> old
> >> name.
> >>
> >> Calling a road by its old name is just fine, and a best common
> practice  -
> >> no cabbie or auto driver or anybody else is going to recognise what you
> >> mean when you say APJ Abdul Kalam Road instead of Aurangzeb Road, or, to
> >> pick an example much closer to me, “Ramachandra Adithanar Road” instead
> of
> >> Gandhinagar 4th Main Road (which is surrounded by other Gandhinagar Nth
> >> main roads all of which retain their old names).
> >>
> >> There are still areas of Chennai known by the names of long demolished
> >> landmarks - such as asking people to meet you “near the Eros Theater” -
> >> which has been replaced by a mitsubishi dealership for almost two
> decades
> >> now.
> >>
> >> —srs
> >>
>
>
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Udhay Shankar N]

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Biju Chacko  wrote:

In any case, corruption is a much bigger problem in India than the legal
> idiocy you mentioned.
>

​As a data point:

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/500134/national-law-school-plans-offer.html
​

​Udhay​
-- 

((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

On 10-Sep-2015, at 8:03 AM, James Bonilla  wrote:
> 
> There is much to be said for leaving historical names alone. But there is
> much precedent for renaming roads (but not countries) named after a
> "favcorite bad guy". Agree? Disagree? Comments?

Having seen various renames of roads here in Chennai, south India, and other 
renames of cities (bombay to mumbai, formally - or the local / informal / most 
likely racist abbreviation of “ahmednagar” in maharashtra to just “nagar” or 
insisting on pronouncing “ahmedabad” in gujarat as “amdavad”) - my reaction is 
to simply continue calling the city by its old name.

Calling a road by its old name is just fine, and a best common practice  - no 
cabbie or auto driver or anybody else is going to recognise what you mean when 
you say APJ Abdul Kalam Road instead of Aurangzeb Road, or, to pick an example 
much closer to me, “Ramachandra Adithanar Road” instead of Gandhinagar 4th Main 
Road (which is surrounded by other Gandhinagar Nth main roads all of which 
retain their old names).

There are still areas of Chennai known by the names of long demolished 
landmarks - such as asking people to meet you “near the Eros Theater” - which 
has been replaced by a mitsubishi dealership for almost two decades now.

—srs

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[James Bonilla]

In the interest of economic efficiency, I have a proposal regarding this.
Simply put:

(1) There is an economic cost to renaming roads.

(2) To minimize costs, it is best to avoid renaming roads too many times.

(3) The easiest thing to do is to rename roads to something
non-controversial (e.g. "Red road', "Green road', ... et cetera -or- "112th
St NE", "113th St NE" and so on), and leave it that way.

I made a post on my Facebook group regarding this. Let me dig it up.

 - James
P.S. It gives me great pleasure to talk about bringing greater economic
efficiency to the Land of the Buddha.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian 
wrote:

> On 10-Sep-2015, at 8:03 AM, James Bonilla  wrote:
> >
> > There is much to be said for leaving historical names alone. But there is
> > much precedent for renaming roads (but not countries) named after a
> > "favcorite bad guy". Agree? Disagree? Comments?
>
> Having seen various renames of roads here in Chennai, south India, and
> other renames of cities (bombay to mumbai, formally - or the local /
> informal / most likely racist abbreviation of “ahmednagar” in maharashtra
> to just “nagar” or insisting on pronouncing “ahmedabad” in gujarat as
> “amdavad”) - my reaction is to simply continue calling the city by its old
> name.
>
> Calling a road by its old name is just fine, and a best common practice  -
> no cabbie or auto driver or anybody else is going to recognise what you
> mean when you say APJ Abdul Kalam Road instead of Aurangzeb Road, or, to
> pick an example much closer to me, “Ramachandra Adithanar Road” instead of
> Gandhinagar 4th Main Road (which is surrounded by other Gandhinagar Nth
> main roads all of which retain their old names).
>
> There are still areas of Chennai known by the names of long demolished
> landmarks - such as asking people to meet you “near the Eros Theater” -
> which has been replaced by a mitsubishi dealership for almost two decades
> now.
>
> —srs
>

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Biju Chacko]

On 10-Sep-2015 08:38, "James Bonilla"  wrote:
>
> My short answer to that is : do you really want to pay more taxes?

Most middle class Indians would respond that they really have no influence
on this. Many feel that the system is gamed against them and they have no
voice.

Most then respond by ignoring whatever they can and grudging compliance
when they can't.

In any case, corruption is a much bigger problem in India than the legal
idiocy you mentioned.

-- b

Re: [silk] Renaming Aurangzeb Road

[Ekta Bahl]

No faculty shortage for a "course in corruption" in India.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:

>
>
> ​
>
>
> http://www.deccanherald.com/content/500134/national-law-school-plans-offer.html
> ​
>
>
>