RE: CSNot Ivan's, Herx's CS calculator

[I Anderson]

Well, how kind!

But much as I would love to have managed to create such a useful
program, alas I did not.
Credit must go to our new friend 'herx', who has done a marvellous job
in its creation and presentation.

(Yes, we will see how accurate it is shortly, some adjustment will
need to be made for the silver which plates out on the cathode.)

To the conductivity measurement vs actual ppm... theory would have the
ppm (as ions) multiplied by 0.74 (or thereabouts) to give
corresponding conductivity in uS. In other words conductivity times
1.35 should give ppm (as ions). In reality the a factor of 1.0 works
in my case, and others report a factor of 0.85 - 1.05 times
conductivity to be a true representation of ionic concentration.

There has been to date, no satisfactory explanation as to why the
theory does not fit the facts, other than my own tentative idea that
the ions form aggregations of some number, that is multi-ion
particles, at particular concentrations. There is some support for
this in the literature, but it is all a bit academic, and sure to
rouse the Philistines among us to ban the messages that contain such
technical drivel ;-) this could be considered humour given enough
leeway

Yours (tongue in cheek etc.)

Ivan.

 -Original Message-
 From: S  J Young [mailto:you...@konnections.net]
 Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2001 5:42 p.m.
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSIvan's CS calculator


 Ivan,

 Thanks for the equation  spread sheet.  Now for the
 practicalities:  It is
 obvious by the crud that forms on the electrodes and falls to
 the bottom
 that not all the silver being electrolytically removed from
 the electrode
 ends up as colloids.  And some of the silver ends up as ions.
   So what is a
 practical factor to apply to the result of your PPM calculation?  I
am
 guessing one would multiply the result of the Faraday
 equation by a third to
 a half.

 By the way, do you still believe the Hanna PWT readings
 should be multiplied
 by 0.59 (going by memory here) that you stated in this forum
 two years or so
 ago?

 --Steve

 - Original Message -
 From: herx her...@yahoo.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:53 AM
 Subject: CSAnswer how to calculate ppm of CS at home


 Hello list, long time listener, first time caller.

 I've read many posts here regarding calculating ppm of CS.  I can
help
 you figure out the ppm of the CS you're brewing at home, or help you
 determine how long you need to brew in order to get any desired ppm.

 There are several ways of knowing the PPM of your homemade
 CS.  One way
 that doesn't require an expensive PWT meter is to use
 Faraday's equation
 for electrolytic deposition.  If you know how much current is
flowing
 through your electrodes, you can calculate the PPM being produced.
If
 you're not up on electrochemistry, I've written a spreadsheet
 that will
 calculate it for you.

 snip



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CSberkey MTBE black walnut 2 gallon glass

[JD's Nutritelligencia Institute of N.America]

Has anyone experienced an increase in the strength of ametallic taste in HVAC produced CS after allowing it to sit over a period of time.. I had never noticed such for the first couple years, but recently noticed a distinct increase in metallicity of taste. A newbie even noticed this the second day after production. I decided to try some product several months old and noticed it was extremely metallic even though i had previously never noticed much of any metallic taste from new or "aged" product.
Does anyone know a source for 2 gallon glass bottles (or larger) with a sufficiently wide mouth for HVAC production? 
Has anyone ever utilized CS in conjunction with ethanol for making herbal tinctures? I sampled some fresh green black walnut hull tincture utilizing CS and ethanol as the solvents last nite. Who! Man was it potent... I have never had experienced such a potent tasting version as the "green" essence flavor was particularly strong. I had beenconsuming the same tincture using the same crop of green hulls (minus the CS). I was thinking the CS might protect the tincture...keeping it greener. I think it worked. I won't be taking a big shot in the future as i found it a challenge to keep down.
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CSRe: what the WHO says about CS saturated water filters

[Reid Harvey]

CSFreinds,
It occurs to me that those of you who are interested in CS saturated
water filters may not know about the primary
proponent of this technology, the Nicaraguan based NGO, Potters for
Peace.  I honestly believe that were it not for PFP the low cost version
of the Katadyn filter would have remained unknown, the story of CS
saturated filters never told. CHECK THE FOLLOWING LINK!  The 'filter
bucket' PFP promotes resembles a flower pot, and contains six to eight
liters (litres?) of water which filters through to a lower container,
and is then potable. The filter is saturated with the Mexican CS,
Microdyn.

Filter buckets were developed ten years or so ago by a Guatemalan
chemist, and in the rural communities where
used were subsequently successful in getting the high incidence of water
born illness down to nearly zero. Now
Potters for Peace has sponsored manufacture of many thousands of these
filters, currently being made and used in
Nicaragua, Honduras, Haiti and Cuba. Labs in all of these countries are
continuously verifying what the FDA,
WHO and others are actively denying:  that silver saturated filters are
remarkably effective at pathogen removal.

For any who are interested the link to the Potters for Peace filter page
is:
http://www.cc.cc.ca.us/pfp/Pfpfilter.htm
Reid


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Re: CSRe: what the WHO says about CS saturated water filters

[rusty233]

REID, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY ONE SELLING THESE FILTERS?  I WOULD LIKE TO BUY ONE
AS I HAVE A WELL, AND WOULD LIKE THIS FILTRATION SYSTEM.


- Original Message -
From: Reid Harvey ceram...@bol-online.com
To: silver digest silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 7:09 AM
Subject: CSRe: what the WHO says about CS saturated water filters


 CSFreinds,
 It occurs to me that those of you who are interested in CS saturated
 water filters may not know about the primary
 proponent of this technology, the Nicaraguan based NGO, Potters for
 Peace.  I honestly believe that were it not for PFP the low cost version
 of the Katadyn filter would have remained unknown, the story of CS
 saturated filters never told. CHECK THE FOLLOWING LINK!  The 'filter
 bucket' PFP promotes resembles a flower pot, and contains six to eight
 liters (litres?) of water which filters through to a lower container,
 and is then potable. The filter is saturated with the Mexican CS,
 Microdyn.

 Filter buckets were developed ten years or so ago by a Guatemalan
 chemist, and in the rural communities where
 used were subsequently successful in getting the high incidence of water
 born illness down to nearly zero. Now
 Potters for Peace has sponsored manufacture of many thousands of these
 filters, currently being made and used in
 Nicaragua, Honduras, Haiti and Cuba. Labs in all of these countries are
 continuously verifying what the FDA,
 WHO and others are actively denying:  that silver saturated filters are
 remarkably effective at pathogen removal.

 For any who are interested the link to the Potters for Peace filter page
 is:
 http://www.cc.cc.ca.us/pfp/Pfpfilter.htm
 Reid


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CSNew List Member Introduction

[Roger D Ragain]

Hello Everyone,

My name name is Roger Ragain and I have just joined this list. I have an
interest in natural remedies and prevenatives and when someone told me
about CS, I began an internet search to learn more about it. Thats one of
the reason I joined this list. I tried to join the digest form of email
but it didn't work. Is this option available anymore?

I am looking to purchase a generator and would appreciate hearing what
others are using and if they are sastisfied or what they would buy if
they had known more at the time. I plan on using it for human and animal
consumption as I'm a pigeon fancier also. I've found the prices in the
health food store outrageous for just several ounces and making my own
would pay for itself after several batches.

Thanks,

Roger Ragain
Cahokia, Illinois
United States of America
E-mail:   rrag...@juno.com


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Re: CSAnswer how to calculate ppm of CS at home

[Guenter Poelz]

hello herx,

your method sounds convincing. But what is with the silver ions which 
are travelling to the cathode, discharged, and deposited there?


Guenter

herx wrote:


Hello list, long time listener, first time caller.

I've read many posts here regarding calculating ppm of CS.  I can help
you figure out the ppm of the CS you're brewing at home, or help you
determine how long you need to brew in order to get any desired ppm.


snip


2. Know the amount of current flowing through your electrodes. You'll
need to have a multimeter with a scale that reads current in increments
of one milliamp or less.

3. Know the amount of time (in minutes) your current flows.

4. Know the volume of distilled water your electrodes are immersed in.





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Re: CSYet another question...

[Marshall Dudley]

If I recall correctly the bulb was used as a  done indicator.  It would
start glowing around 8 mA and that mean that the
CS was ready.

Marshall

John Kolb wrote:

 On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, I Anderson wrote:

  Forget the bulb, it is not needed, and serves no useful purpose as far
  as I can see.
  You would need one that worked at 36+ volts anyway.

 There is a useful purpose, but hopefully not needed. If the rods
 were to short together, there would be a large current drawn,
 rapidly draining the battery. If there is a suitable voltage lamp
 in series with one of the rods, the current would be limited to
 that of the lamp rating and the light emmitted would be a warning
 that a short existed. The lamps are a very low resistance compared
 to the resistance of the DW and rods, so don't affect the brew time
 or resulting CS characteristics.

 Looking through the Mouser catalog, for a 3 battery, 27 volt system,
 the Chicago Minature # 6838, 28 Volts, 0.024 Amps (24 mA), Mouser
 P/N 606-CM6838 $1.70 would be ideal. It has wire leads so a socket
 is not required, and would limit current flow to 24 mA. Of course,
 if a 28V lamp is used on a 36V system and a short occurs, the bulb
 will be very bright for a short time, then fail. Two 18V 26 mA bulbs,
 #7220 in series would work well for a 36 V system.

 
  You could obtain 3 X 12V low mA bulbs and tie the legs together (three
  legs joined together X 2) but whether they would light at the 8mA
  that you would be using, I don't know.
 
 Three legs tied together sounds like a parallel connection, not
 series. With three 12V bulbs wired in parallel, the combination
 would still light with 12V applied, but use 3 times the current.
 Series connection is what's needed.

 Of course, those of us that never make mistooks and never let the
 rods bump into each other don't need the light bulbs.

 John

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Re: CSCS in the gall bladder??

[Marshall Dudley]

The best I can do is an educated guess.  The salts would most likely be
chlorides.  Thus if they combined with the ionic portion of CS would form silver
chloride.  Silver Chloride is almost insoluble in water, so much of it would
precipitate out immediately. What is left should be of such low concentration
that Argyria would not be a problem.

Marshall

Nick Grant wrote:

 HI Christiane

 I am replying to you because the MALES on this list are not!

 Come on you guys - some of you must have a better idea than I - please help
 Christiane out on this - don't be too busy doing the science stuff to be no
 practical help to this little girl.  I know its an area that is a hard one,
 but some of you must know somethingplease reply to her.

 Tracy

 - Original Message -
 From: John Osowiecki ti...@peoplepc.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2001 07:11
 Subject: CSCS in the gall bladder??

  Hello All,
  I know that this is a question that no one has any concrete experience
 with,
  but I know that some of you may have some educated opinions on the
 risks,
  or lack there of.of putting CS directly into the gall
  bladder.
 
  My 5 year old daughter has a tube coming from her gall bladder to drain
 her
  bile on a daily basis.  Last month, we ended up in the hospital with her
 for
  17 days and had a surgery, because the tube caused an infection of Staph
 in
  her gall bladder.  Before she had been admitted, I started to notice her
  bile getting thick, and cloudy, with some white floaties in it.
 
  Well, a few days ago, her bile got thick again.and the floaties
 came
  back. I decided to put 10cc's of CS (approx 5ppm made with battery
  generator) directly into her tubedirectly into her gall bladder.  I
 did
  this for 2 days, and the thickness and floaties disappeared.  Now it is
 3
  days later, and there are floaties again.  I flushed the tube again this
  morning with 10cc's of 5ppm CS.
 
  My questions are these.
 
  ~Does anyone have a theory of how long I should administer the CS to have
  complete relief of the infection? I would like to use it as minimally as
  possible..Is it sufficient to only use it until the bile is clear
 again?
 
  ~ Bile is made of hundreds of different substances..many of which
  are referred to as bile salts.  Is there a theoretical risk of the bile
  salts combining with the CS and causing argyria?
 
  Please know..this gall bladder tube is the only thing that is
  keeping my daughter alive right now.  The doctors don't have any other
  option.  If it keeps getting infected they will have to remove it.  I
 don't
  want that.  I would rather have her alive and gray.  God knows that the
  drugs they have her on can cause MUCH worse problems than changing color.
 
  Thank you so much for your input.  I am open to any advice you can give,
 or
  any questions you may have.
  Thank you again,
  God Bless,
  Christiane
 
 
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Re: CSAny Info On This Generator??

[boberger]

Hi Langsley,

In th epast I has setup every combination that people have proposed on the
list to evaluate what they are doing.

It has been three years since I made any cone method CS so I have just set-up
a one gallon unit (9:54 am Sat.) to
investigate it again. ,I do not have a 9 kv- 30 unit but I do have 12 kv 30 ma
unit.

I am using one gallon of DW with a conductance of 0.24 uS/cc that would be
zero on your PWT's. The initial raaction is very violent with a cone of about
1/2 + in length.

I will post again about noon my time as to T.E.  in the CS. I will run it for
four hours to see what I get.


Ole Bob




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Re: CSberkey MTBE black walnut 2 gallon glass

[Ode Coyote]

At 05:42 AM 11/10/01 -0600, you wrote: 

Has anyone experienced an increase in the strength of a metallic taste in HVAC produced CS after allowing it to sit over a period of time..  I had never noticed such for the first couple years, but recently noticed a distinct increase in metallicity of taste.  A newbie even noticed this the second day after production.  I decided to try some product several months old and noticed it was extremely metallic even though i had previously never noticed much of any metallic taste from new or aged product.

##  Some of the ions form colloidal [metallic] particles over time with a drop in PPM as read by a conductivity meter and a rise in TE.
Ususally this happenes within 48 hours but can happen a month later as well.
Cold storage temperatures can sometimes seem to kick a previously colorless batch over into a murky violet color or the batch may  yellow
Has anyone ever utilized CS in conjunction with ethanol for making herbal tinctures? 

##  I mistakenly stored some CS in an unwashed gin bottle recently. It seems to be just fine but has a distinct gin flavor.
Ken




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RE: CSCS in the gall bladder??

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

Neither I nor anyone I know, nor any research I have seen contraindicates
irrigation of a surgical wound with CS.  See:

http://www.silverlon.com/user.html


James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: Nick Grant [mailto:nwgr...@inet.net.nz]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:15 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS in the gall bladder??

HI Christiane

I am replying to you because the MALES on this list are not!

Come on you guys - some of you must have a better idea than I - please help
Christiane out on this - don't be too busy doing the science stuff to be no
practical help to this little girl.  I know its an area that is a hard one,
but some of you must know somethingplease reply to her.

Tracy

- Original Message -
From: John Osowiecki ti...@peoplepc.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2001 07:11
Subject: CSCS in the gall bladder??


 Hello All,
 I know that this is a question that no one has any concrete experience
with,
 but I know that some of you may have some educated opinions on the
risks,
 or lack there of.of putting CS directly into the gall
 bladder.

 My 5 year old daughter has a tube coming from her gall bladder to drain
her
 bile on a daily basis.  Last month, we ended up in the hospital with her
for
 17 days and had a surgery, because the tube caused an infection of Staph
in
 her gall bladder.  Before she had been admitted, I started to notice her
 bile getting thick, and cloudy, with some white floaties in it.

 Well, a few days ago, her bile got thick again.and the floaties
came
 back. I decided to put 10cc's of CS (approx 5ppm made with battery
 generator) directly into her tubedirectly into her gall bladder.  I
did
 this for 2 days, and the thickness and floaties disappeared.  Now it is
3
 days later, and there are floaties again.  I flushed the tube again this
 morning with 10cc's of 5ppm CS.

 My questions are these.

 ~Does anyone have a theory of how long I should administer the CS to have
 complete relief of the infection? I would like to use it as minimally as
 possible..Is it sufficient to only use it until the bile is clear
again?

 ~ Bile is made of hundreds of different substances..many of which
 are referred to as bile salts.  Is there a theoretical risk of the bile
 salts combining with the CS and causing argyria?

 Please know..this gall bladder tube is the only thing that is
 keeping my daughter alive right now.  The doctors don't have any other
 option.  If it keeps getting infected they will have to remove it.  I
don't
 want that.  I would rather have her alive and gray.  God knows that the
 drugs they have her on can cause MUCH worse problems than changing color.

 Thank you so much for your input.  I am open to any advice you can give,
or
 any questions you may have.
 Thank you again,
 God Bless,
 Christiane


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Re: CSberkey MTBE black walnut 2 gallon glass

[boberger]

Hi DJ,

For your two gallon vrew cell go to an aqurium store and get a two
gallon fish tank. Mine works very well.

Now, the arconym of HVAC does not cover the area. Was it made with two
parallel wires, the cone methodeof the ARC method.

It does make a world of difference. The parallel wire method is a
disaster waiting to happen. It ususally goes yellow and drops out. I am
reruning the cone method as it has been 3 years since I looked at it.
The ARC method has been the most stable of the three, but it has a very
bugs associated with.

I need more data.

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CSHVAC Cone Method 1st report.

[boberger]

Hi Ya'all,

After 72 minutes I had to initate stirring as the heat was building very
rapidly.

The conductance was 20 uS/cc;  pH = 6.60;  medium T.E.; Ag = 5.06 PPM.at
tge 72 minute mark.

For those who like to do mathmatical problems one gallon of water heated
to 126 deg. F. after 1 1/2 hours.

Ole Bob


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CSUpdated Arthritis summary.

[Jan Carew]

Hi list,

Thanks to all who have responded and made the list so comprehensive.

The asterisked ones I haven't got any suggested dosages.

For the dosages I have gleaned, I've given amounts in approx mls as well as
ozs  ( we use the dreaded litres this end of the world!) - trust my maths is
OK

Hoping this will be a useful reference to all fellow arthritis sufferers.
Jan

  SUGGESTED ARTHRITIS REMEDIES UPDATE

1. Colloidal silver -  start drinking an ounce/day, then double the amount
each day until you are drinking 4 oz./120mls, 3 times per day (spreading out
the CS consumption  through the day). You could even drink another
1/2cup/9ozs/250mls just before bed.

2. MSM  - 5g/day or 10g/day  - eg  2,000 mg per meal (2 caps per meal, 6
caps/6,000 mg/day). Buy in bulk thro' Internet.

3. DMSO applied topically

 4. Collastin*

 5. Glucosamine HCl  +  chondroitin sulphate*

 6. Omega 3*

 7. Cider Apple Vinegar - 2t in water on rising, then 2t CAV + 2t
   molasses + 1t  honey in water, drunk with each meal.

 8. B12 -1000mcg injected daily for 3 days,
   1000mcg every 48 hrs for 8 days,
   1000mcg every 5 days. (for how long?)

 9. WATER - many glasses per day!
  Divide weight in lbs by 2, then by 8 - this is number of
  ounces/day. An average glass holds 8ozs so divide by 8 to see how
  many actual  glassfuls should be imbibed per day. Each cup of
  coffee/tea or glass of alcohol/squash should be counterbalanced by
  an extra glass of water.

 10.Drink goat's milk not cow's milk - preferably form your own goat
   which is allowed to graze on wild vegetation.

  11.Don't eat any of the Solanaceae family (nightshades) - tomatoes,
potatoes,
   eggplant, green peppers, paprika and tobacco;

  12.Restrict carbohydrates in the diet.

  13.Strap magnets onto the afflicted joints.

  14.Take molybdenum supplement*.

  15. Hydrogen peroxide - 35% food grade. Try looking at www.oxytherapy.com
for
more info and instructions.

  16. Allergic reaction  to some food - difficult to determine the culprit -
eg may be
cheese, tea, coffee, grains. Try cutting out any suspects for 3
weeks and see if
there's any improvement.

  17.  Take a comprehensive mineral supplement eg the liquid mineral
supplement
  called Concentrace, by Trace Minerals Research, out of Utah. It is
not sold multi-
  level, so that is why it is economical. Recommended dosage is 1/4
tspn, 2xday.
  Has every mineral known to man in it. Find it in Health Stores or
direct from Terry
  Chamberlin
.
 18.   Cod liver oil. Take* daily and don't eat 2 hours before or after
intake. Preferably
  use  pure Norwegian CLOil and mix it with a little warm  milk
first thing in the AM.
  It took a 5 weeks before 80% of my symptoms  were gone.

 19.   Homeopathic remedies, eg  Bach flowers and suspensions  of gems
  (they are often grouped together)

I


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CSRe: silver-digest Digest V101 #1085

[JD's Nutritelligencia Institute of N.America]

Ole Bob specifically, since you answered directly.
I am referring to HVAC Cone product developing a medium metallic taste nearly overnite.
I am referring to an ARC system developing a heavy metallic taste after 12 months.
both products were generated with: 15,000 volts and 60 ma
the cone method produces a slight golden yellow glow at 10 microsiemens on a Hanna PWT  this method formerly was burdensome due to heat buildup and need for stirring... i now utilize a different technique for circulation of water, preventing heat buildup and cutting the time needed to hit 10
the arc method i use produces a clear and colorless solution i run this method for 150 minutes in a one gallon vessel
thanx for suggesting an aquarium as a reaction vessel or brew tank
JD (i just rejoined the list after taking a 15 month or so break... glad to see the list is operating with robust activity. after just a few days back, i notice the general level of knowledge has progressed substantially)

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Re: CSIntestinal Bacteria and CS

[Wayne Fugitt]

Evening Al,

That is an interesting situation you have.  You are lucky you have a 
rational doctor.


the transit times of my digestive process had not been so fast.  IE: the 
CS is still active by the time it gets to my intestines so it kills everything.


   What quantity do you take?

  Can anyone recommend a good probiotic  I have heard so many 
stories of high priced probiotics that are basically dead, that I though I 
would turn to the experts.  What do you guys use/recommend for a probiotic???


   One of the products I use has a number of probiotic cultures.
The container states  4 billion per gram at time of manufacture.  This 
sounds like they the number may decline with time.


The heading states..

Lactabacillus Probiotic Culture...   200mg.

Under that heading are the following. ( no individual quantity )

L. Acidophilus  L. Bulgaris L. Bifidus
L. Lactis   L. RhamnosusL. Casei
L. PlantarumL. Brevis   L. Salivarius

Surely the combination is good for something.  Actually, I did not even buy 
the product for this

component as it contains 24 other ingredients.

This product is simply called a GreenFoods formula and states that it is 
Phytonutrient Rich.

Another name that must be used if you use their search is Green Max Powder.

If you compare it with others, you may find some better or some with less 
items.
It is reasonably priced.  On the website it is shown at $ 11.00 for 300 
grams.  When I called to place the oder, I was told it was $ 15.00 but I 
got it for the web site price.


Just checked and the web site price is still $11.95.  I may order a few 
containers before they change the price.


Take a look at ..   http://www.swansonvitamins.com/  ( their site is 
working a bit lousy, so it may be hard to find )


I think this is a decent product.  I use the suggested amount of 1 tbs per 
day added to my daily protein drink.  Also add 2 tbs whipping cream and 2 
tbs of flax oil Plus about 12 ounces of skim milk.  The main ingredient is 
from Natures Plus.   Nature's Plus has some products that might

get your attention as well.

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CSQuestion for those using mechanical stirring

[Arnold Beland]

  Will mechanical stirring prevent the formation of silver oxide on the anode? 

Arnold

CScs and fresh juices

[Shirley Reed]

Does anyone know of any hard data on using cs to
 maintain juice potency?  Thanks,  pj


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Re: CSIntestinal Bacteria and CS

[Janet Lubart]

Dear Al,
Did your doctor explain why you should not use bifidus?
Thank you,
Janet(a bifidus fan because it has assisted in raising my family's immunity on 
occasion)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Al Riley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:09 AM
  Subject: CSIntestinal Bacteria and CS


  Hello Fellow Silver Searchers,
  I have just completed a scan for various bacteria in my intestinal system.  
The Dr. thought I might have Leaky Gut so she ordered a very comprehensive 
testing.  It came back with the results that I don't have Leaky Gut Syndrome, 
and no candida, but it also said that I have Zero amount of Lactobacillus.  She 
speculated that the colloidal silver killed not only the bad bacteria, but also 
the good.  I have had IBS for about a year and have been experiencing very fast 
transit times for my food.  She also speculated that the CS would NOT have been 
a problem if the transit times of my digestive process had not been so fast.  
IE: the CS is still active by the time it gets to my intestines so it kills 
everything.
  She recommended adding a large amount of fiber to slow the transit times.  
She also said to take a probiotic with lactobacillus in it, but no bifidus 
bacteria.  Can anyone recommend a good probiotic  I have heard so many 
stories of high priced probiotics that are basically dead, that I though I 
would turn to the experts.  What do you guys use/recommend for a probiotic???
  hugs
  al

Re: CSFading Tyndall Effect..

[Mike Fuller]

Hi Grant,

I'm getting this also. I've only just purchased my PWT meter so I can't give
you any other parameters yet but I'll do a batch soon and check whether the
conductivity changes also.

BTW I'm running a version of Steve Young's circuit: 170v DC, with current
fixed at around 2.5 mA and air bubbler agitation.

What's your system?

Regards,

Mike Fuller

 From: Grant g...@island.net
 
 Question:
 What does it mean when you brew a batch and immediately after the
 brew  has quite pronounced Tyndall Effect.. After a few days Tyndall
 is hardly apparent???..  Brew is crystal clear throughout .. I assume
 this is good?.
 Grant..
 


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RE: CSCS for fungus on dogs

[Jdownmaine]

Good idea~
Judy Down Maine
  -Original Message-
  From: doodlso...@aol.com [mailto:doodlso...@aol.com]
  Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 4:18 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CSCS for fungus on dogs


  Hi all!  I just found out that my Lab. puppies have fungus on their rear
feet and on their tails. The vet gave us anti-fungal soap, but there has
been little improvement in last 10 days.  Does anyone have experience with
CS on fungus?   I am thinking of putting the pups in about an inch of CS in
the tub and letting them just play in
  it for a while.   What  do you think?
  Donna

Re: CSCS for fungus on dogs

[Jodi Eckardt]

I would put CS in a spray bottle and then just treat the fungus sites plus 
giving it to them orally.  I am presently working on a Maltese that has a 
fungus.  Conventional treatments have not worked.  It is still too soon to 
determine if the CS will work for her.  

Jodi Eckardt
Luvsong Maltese
jlecka...@earthlink.net

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  From: doodlso...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 4:17 PM
  Subject: CSCS for fungus on dogs


  Hi all!  I just found out that my Lab. puppies have fungus on their rear feet 
and on their tails. The vet gave us anti-fungal soap, but there has been little 
improvement in last 10 days.  Does anyone have experience with CS on fungus?   
I am thinking of putting the pups in about an inch of CS in the tub and letting 
them just play in 
  it for a while.   What  do you think? 
  Donna 

Re: CSCS for fungus on dogs

[wolfcreek1]

Hi Donna ~

CS may surely work, as it is supposed to kill fungus.  As suggested earlier, 
internal doses would help as well as the external.  Just put some CS into their 
non-metal waterers.

ACV (apple cider vinegar) eliminated athletes foot my son had for over a year.  
We tried sprays, creams, lotions, powdersgeeze, nothing worked.  After his 
evening shower, I made him apply ACV to both his dried feet and allow it to dry 
- just poured straight.  He did this for 3 nights in a row and the athletes 
foot fungus has NEVER returned.  It's been years now and it was awful on both 
feet!  ACV can be given internally as well.

Julie  Critters

Re: CSCS in the gall bladder??

[Kehoe]

If the bile does enter into the small intestine, shouldn't you be sure to
add probiotics to the diet in case it kills the good bacteria??

CK
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 3:02 AM
Subject: RE: CSCS in the gall bladder??


| Christiane,
|
| The gallbladder functions to store and concentrate the bile
| manufactured in the liver, for eventual delivery to the small
| intestine via the cystic duct. In doing this the gallbladder absorbs
| water and ions from the bile into the gallbladder mucosa.
|
| Bile consists of mainly water and bile acids, bile salts, cholesterol,
| a phospholipid called lecithin, bile pigments and several ions.
| Bile salts are sodium and potassium salts of bile acids. The bile has
| a pH of 7.6 - 8.6.
|
| Most of the bile salts are reabsorbed in the end part of the small
| intestine (Ileum) and enter the portal blood flowing toward the liver.
|
| I can see no reason not to treat the gallbladder directly with CS. As
| the gallbladder drains directly into the small intestine, much of the
| CS will be lost in the faeces. You could not introduce enough silver
| (grams) by this method to cause argyria.
|
| As much of the CS is probably complexed by the bile acids etc. I
| should think that small but frequent applications would be a
| reasonable approach. I am not sure of the physical method that
| flushing describes...does that mean filling the gallbladder and then
| draining it? If so, how many times could you do this a day? In any
| event, it would be wise to continue the CS flush for a week or so
| after the bile becomes clear, as it seems the seat of the infection
| had not been cleared thus far.
|
| It is my opinion that argyria is not a consideration in this matter,
| and that your guide should be, your judgment as to the elimination of
| the infection.
|
| Some wiser heads than mine might venture an opinion as to whether
| adding a small amount of DMSO to the CS might make the treatment more
| effective.
| You might also consider magnetic pulsing as an adjunct.
|
| Kind regards
| Ivan.
|
|  -Original Message-
|  From: John Osowiecki [mailto:ti...@peoplepc.com]
|  Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2001 7:12 a.m.
|  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
|  Subject: CSCS in the gall bladder??
| 
| 
|  Hello All,
|  I know that this is a question that no one has any concrete
|  experience with,
|  but I know that some of you may have some educated opinions
|  on the risks,
|  or lack there of.of putting CS directly
|  into the gall
|  bladder.
| 
|  My 5 year old daughter has a tube coming from her gall
|  bladder to drain her
|  bile on a daily basis.  Last month, we ended up in the
|  hospital with her for
|  17 days and had a surgery, because the tube caused an
|  infection of Staph in
|  her gall bladder.  Before she had been admitted, I started to
|  notice her
|  bile getting thick, and cloudy, with some white floaties in it.
| 
|  Well, a few days ago, her bile got thick again.and
|  the floaties came
|  back. I decided to put 10cc's of CS (approx 5ppm made with battery
|  generator) directly into her tubedirectly into her gall
|  bladder.  I did
|  this for 2 days, and the thickness and floaties
|  disappeared.  Now it is 3
|  days later, and there are floaties again.  I flushed the
|  tube again this
|  morning with 10cc's of 5ppm CS.
| 
|  My questions are these.
| 
|  ~Does anyone have a theory of how long I should administer
|  the CS to have
|  complete relief of the infection? I would like to use it as
|  minimally as
|  possible..Is it sufficient to only use it until the bile
|  is clear again?
| 
|  ~ Bile is made of hundreds of different
|  substances..many of which
|  are referred to as bile salts.  Is there a theoretical risk
|  of the bile
|  salts combining with the CS and causing argyria?
| 
|  Please know..this gall bladder tube is the only thing that
| is
|  keeping my daughter alive right now.  The doctors don't have any
| other
|  option.  If it keeps getting infected they will have to
|  remove it.  I don't
|  want that.  I would rather have her alive and gray.  God
|  knows that the
|  drugs they have her on can cause MUCH worse problems than
|  changing color.
| 
|  Thank you so much for your input.  I am open to any advice
|  you can give, or
|  any questions you may have.
|  Thank you again,
|  God Bless,
|  Christiane
| 
|
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Re: CSFading Tyndall Effect..

[Grant]

Mike:
My u/s reading dosen't seem to change much.. I am using 100volt
 constant current  at 1.5ma.. 10 hrs.. 2 qts dw..Maple leaf coins..Fully
submerged on silver wires..  spacing  3.5 .
Grant..

Mike Fuller wrote:
 
 Hi Grant,
 
 I'm getting this also. I've only just purchased my PWT meter so I can't give
 you any other parameters yet but I'll do a batch soon and check whether the
 conductivity changes also.
 
 BTW I'm running a version of Steve Young's circuit: 170v DC, with current
 fixed at around 2.5 mA and air bubbler agitation.
 
 What's your system?
 
 Regards,
 
 Mike Fuller
 
  From: Grant g...@island.net
 
  Question:
  What does it mean when you brew a batch and immediately after the
  brew  has quite pronounced Tyndall Effect.. After a few days Tyndall
  is hardly apparent???..  Brew is crystal clear throughout .. I assume
  this is good?.
  Grant..
 
 
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Re: CSQuestion for those using mechanical stirring

[boberger]

Arnold,
It will not completely eliminate it but will greatly reduce it.

Ole Bob




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CSDistilled Water for CS

[Scatter Brain]

Since distilled water costs me $1.59, I'm wondering about alternatives!
Would rain water or clean melted snow work just as well??   I considered
making my own still with a pressure canner, but the fuel to heat the
water would probably cost just as much as the store stuff!!

All help is truly appreciated!!
Bess


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Re: CSDistilled Water for CS

[wolfcreek1]

Walmart distilled water is 59 cents/gallon.  Sparkletts and Arrowhead DW's run 
99 cents to $1.19/gallon.  You guys are paying too much!  The Sparkletts water 
had an initial ma of .37 which isn't too bad.

Julie  Critters
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  From: Josephine 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 4:27 AM
  Subject: Re: CSDistilled Water for CS


  Distilled water here costs between $2.59 and $3.49 per gallon.
  Josephine
  Hawaii
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From: Scatter Brain 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 6:02 PM
Subject: CSDistilled Water for CS


Since distilled water costs me $1.59, I'm wondering about alternatives!
Would rain water or clean melted snow work just as well??   I considered
making my own still with a pressure canner, but the fuel to heat the
water would probably cost just as much as the store stuff!!

All help is truly appreciated!!
Bess


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Re: CSDistilled Water for CS

[wolfcreek1]

  Josephine ~

  That's cuz you live in Hawaii!  Move to California...and it's cheaper, but 
the weather isn't as beautiful! :)

  Julie  Critters

  This is what the DW sells for at all the stores including Walmart.
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: CSDistilled Water for CS


Walmart distilled water is 59 cents/gallon.  Sparkletts and Arrowhead DW's 
run 99 cents to $1.19/gallon.  You guys are paying too much!  The Sparkletts 
water had an initial ma of .37 which isn't too bad.

Julie  Critters
  - Original Message - 
  From: Josephine 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 4:27 AM
  Subject: Re: CSDistilled Water for CS


  Distilled water here costs between $2.59 and $3.49 per gallon.
  Josephine
  Hawaii
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From: Scatter Brain 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 6:02 PM
Subject: CSDistilled Water for CS


Since distilled water costs me $1.59, I'm wondering about alternatives!
Would rain water or clean melted snow work just as well??   I considered
making my own still with a pressure canner, but the fuel to heat the
water would probably cost just as much as the store stuff!!

All help is truly appreciated!!
Bess


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CSNebulizer Vs inhaler

[Arthur Rambo]

  People have asked me several times; why wouldn't an inhaler work to
deliver CS as well as a nebulizer? 
  Anyone have an opinion?


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CSRe: Thanks JD

[LPownall32]

JD wrote:

Highly recommend reading the information regarding an economical alternative 
to Berkey recently posted  The information on MTBE contamination of our water 
supplies is simply shocking (gasoline additive).  A must read for informed 
citizens.

Glad you liked the site.  Every once in a while I come across a great site on 
the Internet and enjoy sharing the jewel with others.  I also should have 
highly recommended the site rather than simply ask if anyone knew about the 
water filtering system.  I believe everyone on the silver list would be 
interested in this site because pure water is the key ingredient of life and 
successful CS.  By the way, I went ahead and bought one of their water 
filtering systems today just to have on the shelf for future emergencies.

Stay healthy.

Larry

Re: CSNebulizer Vs inhaler

[Solar]

Hello Arthur,

Saturday, November 10, 2001, 10:00:55 PM, you wrote:

AR   People have asked me several times; why wouldn't an inhaler work to
AR deliver CS as well as a nebulizer? 
AR   Anyone have an opinion?


By inhaler, do you mean one of those small, pressurized, pocket
sized things that they use to deliver prescription drugs in? If so,
I'll tell you why it is a BAD idea.

First off, the drugs delivered by that method are, contrary to wide
belief, a dry solid, and not a liquid. The liquid one hears when you
shake one of those things is the refigerant inside that they use for a
propellant. The refrigerant quickly flashes into a gas, and expands,
which carries the microfine crystalline drug along with it. Which
leads to the second reason why they are a bad idea. The refrigerant.
When they used R-12, the stuff wasn't so bad. But, now they have new
ozone friendly refrigerants that they use. The production of these
new refrigerants does more damage to the environment than you can
even imagine. Not to mention the fact that R-134a, the new refigerant
of choice to replace R-12, causes testicular tumors in lab animals. Or
the fact that it FAILED the inhalation toxicity testing conducted at
Wright-Patterson Air Force base.

Aside from all of this, the inhaler doesn't atomize, or nebulize,
the stuff leaving the can. In order to get a liquid into the lungs,
you will need to have a particle size of at most 8 microns. Anything
larger will stick in the throat and larynx. Ideally, the particle size
should be 5 microns or less to reach the air sacs. Otherwise, a lot of
it is deposited along the bronchial tubes. And with a mist this fine,
it does take a while to actually nebulize say 5 milliliters.

Of course, none of this even begins to address the equipment one would
need to charge and pressurize the inhaler. Or the strange reactions
that would take place inside of an aluminum vessel, charged with CS,
and pressurized with a hydroflourocarbon. And no, you can't just
pressurize one with air. If you did, you MIGHT get one shot out of it
before the pressure had fallen to an unusable level.


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CSFungus

[Thelma Seto]

Tea tree oil is a good anti-fungal as well.

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Re: CSQuestion for those using mechanical stirring

[S J Young]

Arnold,

In my experience, stirring reduces it, but does not eliminate it.  My
stirring is a rather gentile 30 RPM - maybe more vigorous stirring would be
better.
--Steve
- Original Message -
From: Arnold Beland ac...@brookings.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 2:14 PM
Subject: CSQuestion for those using mechanical stirring



  Will mechanical stirring prevent the formation of silver oxide on the
anode?

Arnold




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Re: CSCS in the gall bladder??

[Nick Grant]

Hey, I have loads of practice in kicking butt - just ask my kids and husband
grin, no seriously - thanks guys for responding.

Tracy

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From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2001 21:29
Subject: Re: CSCS in the gall bladder??


 Thanks Tracy, for kicking butt. Giving advice about some's sick kid is
 risky. Personally it is easier to keep quiet. However.
 T



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Re: CSCS for fungus on dogs

[Ronald Wilson]

WD 40 or other penetrating oil worked great for me.
  - Original Message -
  From: doodlso...@aol.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 2:17 PM
  Subject: CSCS for fungus on dogs


  Hi all!  I just found out that my Lab. puppies have fungus on their rear feet 
and on their tails. The vet gave us anti-fungal
soap, but there has been little improvement in last 10 days.  Does anyone have 
experience with CS on fungus?   I am thinking of
putting the pups in about an inch of CS in the tub and letting them just play in
  it for a while.   What  do you think?
  Donna

Re: CSCS for fungus on dogs

[Ronald Wilson]

Old trick from before refrigerators, wiping slab bacon with vinegar to prevent 
mold.
  - Original Message -
  From: wolfcreek1
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 4:46 PM
  Subject: Re: CSCS for fungus on dogs


  Hi Donna ~

  CS may surely work, as it is supposed to kill fungus.  As suggested earlier, 
internal doses would help as well as the external.
Just put some CS into their non-metal waterers.

  ACV (apple cider vinegar) eliminated athletes foot my son had for over a 
year.  We tried sprays, creams, lotions,
powdersgeeze, nothing worked.  After his evening shower, I made him apply 
ACV to both his dried feet and allow it to dry - just
poured straight.  He did this for 3 nights in a row and the athletes foot 
fungus has NEVER returned.  It's been years now and it was
awful on both feet!  ACV can be given internally as well.

  Julie  Critters

CSMagnetic stir plate

[natural_essentials]

All this talk about stirring while making CS.  So would it be best to
make the CS with a magnet in the container on a magnetic stire plate? 
Haven't started making it yet, but getting everything in order.
Leacy
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Re: CSDistilled Water for CS

[Josephine]

Distilled water here costs between $2.59 and $3.49 per gallon.
Josephine
Hawaii
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  From: Scatter Brain 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 6:02 PM
  Subject: CSDistilled Water for CS


  Since distilled water costs me $1.59, I'm wondering about alternatives!
  Would rain water or clean melted snow work just as well??   I considered
  making my own still with a pressure canner, but the fuel to heat the
  water would probably cost just as much as the store stuff!!

  All help is truly appreciated!!
  Bess


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Re: CSDistilled Water for CS

[Josephine]

This is what the DW sells for at all the stores including Walmart.
  - Original Message - 
  From: wolfcreek1 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 6:22 PM
  Subject: Re: CSDistilled Water for CS


  Walmart distilled water is 59 cents/gallon.  Sparkletts and Arrowhead DW's 
run 99 cents to $1.19/gallon.  You guys are paying too much!  The Sparkletts 
water had an initial ma of .37 which isn't too bad.

  Julie  Critters
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From: Josephine 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: CSDistilled Water for CS


Distilled water here costs between $2.59 and $3.49 per gallon.
Josephine
Hawaii
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scatter Brain 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 6:02 PM
  Subject: CSDistilled Water for CS


  Since distilled water costs me $1.59, I'm wondering about alternatives!
  Would rain water or clean melted snow work just as well??   I considered
  making my own still with a pressure canner, but the fuel to heat the
  water would probably cost just as much as the store stuff!!

  All help is truly appreciated!!
  Bess


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Re: CSDistilled Water for CS

[Josephine]

The Arrowhead brand, which is what I use is $2.59.
Josephine
  - Original Message - 
  From: Josephine 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 4:50 AM
  Subject: Re: CSDistilled Water for CS


  This is what the DW sells for at all the stores including Walmart.
- Original Message - 
From: wolfcreek1 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: CSDistilled Water for CS


Walmart distilled water is 59 cents/gallon.  Sparkletts and Arrowhead DW's 
run 99 cents to $1.19/gallon.  You guys are paying too much!  The Sparkletts 
water had an initial ma of .37 which isn't too bad.

Julie  Critters
  - Original Message - 
  From: Josephine 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 4:27 AM
  Subject: Re: CSDistilled Water for CS


  Distilled water here costs between $2.59 and $3.49 per gallon.
  Josephine
  Hawaii
- Original Message - 
From: Scatter Brain 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 6:02 PM
Subject: CSDistilled Water for CS


Since distilled water costs me $1.59, I'm wondering about alternatives!
Would rain water or clean melted snow work just as well??   I considered
making my own still with a pressure canner, but the fuel to heat the
water would probably cost just as much as the store stuff!!

All help is truly appreciated!!
Bess


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CSFading Tyndall Effect..

[Grant]

Question:
  What does it mean when you brew a batch and immediately after the
brew  has quite pronounced Tyndall Effect.. After a few days Tyndall
is hardly apparent???..  Brew is crystal clear throughout .. I assume
this is good?.
  Grant..


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RE: CSYet another question...

[I Anderson]

Ah yes,

Nothing like blowing three bulbs at once for lowering the piggy bank
holdings.

Thanks John, wired in series (one after another) is the proper method.

Ivan


 -Original Message-
 From: John Kolb [mailto:jlk...@cts.com]
 Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2001 6:34 p.m.
 To: I Anderson
 Cc: *Silver-List* (E-mail)
 Subject: RE: CSYet another question...


 On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, I Anderson wrote:

  Forget the bulb, it is not needed, and serves no useful
 purpose as far
  as I can see.
  You would need one that worked at 36+ volts anyway.

 There is a useful purpose, but hopefully not needed. If the rods
 were to short together, there would be a large current drawn,
 rapidly draining the battery. If there is a suitable voltage lamp
 in series with one of the rods, the current would be limited to
 that of the lamp rating and the light emmitted would be a warning
 that a short existed. The lamps are a very low resistance compared
 to the resistance of the DW and rods, so don't affect the brew time
 or resulting CS characteristics.

 Looking through the Mouser catalog, for a 3 battery, 27 volt system,
 the Chicago Minature # 6838, 28 Volts, 0.024 Amps (24 mA), Mouser
 P/N 606-CM6838 $1.70 would be ideal. It has wire leads so a socket
 is not required, and would limit current flow to 24 mA. Of course,
 if a 28V lamp is used on a 36V system and a short occurs, the bulb
 will be very bright for a short time, then fail. Two 18V 26 mA
bulbs,
 #7220 in series would work well for a 36 V system.

 
  You could obtain 3 X 12V low mA bulbs and tie the legs
 together (three
  legs joined together X 2) but whether they would light at the 8mA
  that you would be using, I don't know.
 
 Three legs tied together sounds like a parallel connection, not
 series. With three 12V bulbs wired in parallel, the combination
 would still light with 12V applied, but use 3 times the current.
 Series connection is what's needed.

 Of course, those of us that never make mistooks and never let the
 rods bump into each other don't need the light bulbs.

 John




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Re: CSCS in the gall bladder??

[Tony Moody]

Hullo Christiane and John,

My opinion, based on reading and personal experience is that the risk
of getting argyria form CS is so small as to be insignificant, even if
massive doses are taken. 
You are introducing 10cc and it is having a noticible beneficial
effect. I would carry on with that and maybe even dose a few times a
day. I would also give CS as a good food several times a day, again
10cc three or four per day would be a good start. This should help to
clean her system. Obviously monitor the progress; if it seems too
strong then back off to half or less, if its seems to be working
sufficiently then carry on until she is really well. If it is working
but could be better, then increase the dosage dosage slowly. Spraying
or soaking with CS around the tube entry wound would also help. 

I have found that minute amounts of H2O2 have a powerful effect. 1 or
2 drops of 6% in 250cc (8oz) CS. This seems to help the CS do its
work. I would be very cautious about putting this down the gallbladder
tube. Start with say 1cc. But dring it seems to be very helpful.
Regards,
Tony

 
John Osowiecki wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 I know that this is a question that no one has any concrete experience with, 
  but I know that some of you may have some educated opinions on the risks, 
  or lack there of.of putting CS directly into the gall
 bladder.




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Re: CSCS in the gall bladder??

[Tony Moody]

Thanks Tracy, for kicking butt. Giving advice about some's sick kid is
risky. Personally it is easier to keep quiet. However.
T



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RE: CSCS in the gall bladder??

[I Anderson]

Christiane,

The gallbladder functions to store and concentrate the bile
manufactured in the liver, for eventual delivery to the small
intestine via the cystic duct. In doing this the gallbladder absorbs
water and ions from the bile into the gallbladder mucosa.

Bile consists of mainly water and bile acids, bile salts, cholesterol,
a phospholipid called lecithin, bile pigments and several ions.
Bile salts are sodium and potassium salts of bile acids. The bile has
a pH of 7.6 - 8.6.

Most of the bile salts are reabsorbed in the end part of the small
intestine (Ileum) and enter the portal blood flowing toward the liver.

I can see no reason not to treat the gallbladder directly with CS. As
the gallbladder drains directly into the small intestine, much of the
CS will be lost in the faeces. You could not introduce enough silver
(grams) by this method to cause argyria.

As much of the CS is probably complexed by the bile acids etc. I
should think that small but frequent applications would be a
reasonable approach. I am not sure of the physical method that
flushing describes...does that mean filling the gallbladder and then
draining it? If so, how many times could you do this a day? In any
event, it would be wise to continue the CS flush for a week or so
after the bile becomes clear, as it seems the seat of the infection
had not been cleared thus far.

It is my opinion that argyria is not a consideration in this matter,
and that your guide should be, your judgment as to the elimination of
the infection.

Some wiser heads than mine might venture an opinion as to whether
adding a small amount of DMSO to the CS might make the treatment more
effective.
You might also consider magnetic pulsing as an adjunct.

Kind regards
Ivan.

 -Original Message-
 From: John Osowiecki [mailto:ti...@peoplepc.com]
 Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2001 7:12 a.m.
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSCS in the gall bladder??


 Hello All,
 I know that this is a question that no one has any concrete
 experience with,
 but I know that some of you may have some educated opinions
 on the risks,
 or lack there of.of putting CS directly
 into the gall
 bladder.

 My 5 year old daughter has a tube coming from her gall
 bladder to drain her
 bile on a daily basis.  Last month, we ended up in the
 hospital with her for
 17 days and had a surgery, because the tube caused an
 infection of Staph in
 her gall bladder.  Before she had been admitted, I started to
 notice her
 bile getting thick, and cloudy, with some white floaties in it.

 Well, a few days ago, her bile got thick again.and
 the floaties came
 back. I decided to put 10cc's of CS (approx 5ppm made with battery
 generator) directly into her tubedirectly into her gall
 bladder.  I did
 this for 2 days, and the thickness and floaties
 disappeared.  Now it is 3
 days later, and there are floaties again.  I flushed the
 tube again this
 morning with 10cc's of 5ppm CS.

 My questions are these.

 ~Does anyone have a theory of how long I should administer
 the CS to have
 complete relief of the infection? I would like to use it as
 minimally as
 possible..Is it sufficient to only use it until the bile
 is clear again?

 ~ Bile is made of hundreds of different
 substances..many of which
 are referred to as bile salts.  Is there a theoretical risk
 of the bile
 salts combining with the CS and causing argyria?

 Please know..this gall bladder tube is the only thing that
is
 keeping my daughter alive right now.  The doctors don't have any
other
 option.  If it keeps getting infected they will have to
 remove it.  I don't
 want that.  I would rather have her alive and gray.  God
 knows that the
 drugs they have her on can cause MUCH worse problems than
 changing color.

 Thank you so much for your input.  I am open to any advice
 you can give, or
 any questions you may have.
 Thank you again,
 God Bless,
 Christiane



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