Re: CSOT, diabetes and MS
A virus-induced molecular mimicry model of multiple sclerosis Full text http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/108/2/311 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNEW RESEARCH
Dear Brooks I am not a researcher but if I may, I would like the dosage protocol you used. Here is some information from another list you may be interested in: suggested dosage to be taken 3 times a day. ALC 500mg ALA 250mg COQ10 80 mg CREATINE 5g. Costing based on Beyond A Century prices $1.82 per day. Wong In a message dated 02/26/2002 7:40:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, liat...@flash.net writes: I have noticed that there has been, quite recently, some interesting references to possible benefits from using alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-l-carnitine.in combination. The latest comments originate from the Linus Pauling Institute. Their claim is for an order of magnitude increase in effectivity..over either substance ingested alone. I was VERY interested in their commentssince we have prosecuted a series of mammal-based evaluations..using these very subsances in concert. Our results trackvery closelythose claimed by this Institute. We did not deem it necessary to undergo the expense of Blind Studies for such an exploratory-type investigation; we, none-the-less, have a substantive confidence there IS merit to this protocol. Through varying the proportions of the two compounds, we have arrived at a tentative assumption that-alpha lipoic acid is the most powerful progenitor in the combinationand is more powerful in results when combined with much smaller portions of acetyl-l-carnitine-than when the reverse conditions are manifest. The principal reason for our original interest was based upon our pronounced interest in addressing the challenges of age-related insults presenting in humans and other higher mammals. I am, at present, discussing the adviseability of mentioning the dosage protocols we found to be most efficacious. If I can obtain the proper legal assurances, I will.most probablypost a synopsis of our results to the list. Meantime, I would encourage the membership to conductat least---a literature search on this protocol. Such is ESPECIALLY recommended for older researchers suffering from a lowered metabolic level and/or cognition-related challengesmost especially compromises in clearness of thought and ability to maintain a coherent thought pattern. Researchers in SERIOUS straits may contact me off-line for a more extended explanation. Please, no FISHING EXPEDITIONS.while healthy, my total energies are limited-I do wish to utilize them to best advantage. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. --
CSms
Is there any good reason not to try a zapper? I don't have ms, but my zapper has sure done me a lot of good for I don't know what all. I am using a Don Croft model. pj __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMesosilver
Taking the higher ppm is not a waste. I just take less of it. Some people take 2-4 oz of 5ppm per day. With 32ppm, I am able to take 2-4 teaspoons per day - so a bottle lasts longer for myself as well as the people I give it to. IF anything, it costs less because I have to purchase my distilled water. - Original Message - From: Ted Windsor To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:02 PM Subject: Re: CSMesosilver 3% to 5% CS is all I have ever used, over 20% is a total waste, I have lots of happy people that this CS has worked for. Blessings Ted Ian Roe wrote: Well, this mesosilver sounds real good on paper and the graphs that can be drawn are impressive. I understand the cost of producing it is higher, so the made with MesoProcesss?
Re: CSms
WHAT is a zapper???
Re: CSOT, diabetes and MS
Not necessarily. Many pathogens can hide in secluded places wreaking their havoc. CS is supposed to go anywhere to get the bugs. It can`t reverse nerve damage though... Were were screened for chlamydial infection? HHV-6? If they didn't extract it from cerebrospinal fluid, how can they know for certain? No, I`m just starting the testing. Do you have a history of infectious mononucleosis (Epstein Barr)? Did you have mumps or measles after age 15? No http://www.asmusa.org/pcsrc/41icaac/36218.htm There are others. Now, as far as CS goes, the size of a virus ranges from 22 nm up to and over 90 nm. I must admit I'm not an expert on the efficacy of CS against viruses, but common sense would tell me if the CS size is not optimal in relation to the intended target, it will not work. If it were me, I would not sacrifice my body to the Priesthood of medicine. I would go outside the accepted/approved norm if I in fact I was dx with MS. Be prepared to be excoriated by your doctor should you do this. Unless you want to be pumped full of drugs and live in misery the rest of your life, you may want to investigate this further. I know, My sister is a case in point...none of her doctor`s suggestions have helped her, but the CS I suggested has! my 2 cents Have your heard of UVBI? No. I just began taking cod liver oil, and am noticing improvements with it. Could be the Vitamin A and D were too low. Thanks for the 2 Cents!! Marshalee
Re: CSOT, welbutrin
Another thing, dear Listers, my doc gave me some samples of Welbutrin to try for the depression I`m having recently. Anyone have any knowledge or experience, good or bad with this stuff?? I hesitate to take stuff like that... Marshalee
RE: CSOT, diabetes and MS
Hi Marshalee, I don't know about specific supplements for either, but I do know that diet figures VERY prominently in living with either condition. Limiting (or eliminating) sugar aspartame, as well as all high-glycemic-index foods (potatoes, rice, beans, beets) will at least ease some of the discomfort of MS make the diabetes (if Type II) very manageable. A Friend of mine was diagnosed with both last year when she changed her eating habits to this mode, she found she had very few symptoms and lost weight too. She is working with her doc to adjust medications (I don't know what...he's an MD, but practicing as an integrated Naturopath/MD), but she looks great we walk a mile every day at lunch together. Sorry I don't have more information... Heather -Original Message- From: Marshalee Hallett [mailto:liah...@utah-inter.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 7:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT, diabetes and MS Dear List, I`m finding out about diabetes and possible MS right now. Anyone out there have any words of knowledge for me?? Love, Marshalee PS, My GTT numbers were 90 FBS and 160 2 hours after the nasty sweet stuff... I`ll be having more blood work and possibly an MRI soon. Yuck I`d rather have stage 4 liver cancer than MS, much quicker...
Re: CSOT, welbutrin
Another thing, dear Listers, my doc gave me some samples of Welbutrin to try for the depression I`m having recently. Anyone have any knowledge or experience, good or bad with this stuff?? I hesitate to take stuff like that... Do NOT take the Wellbutrin. Very shortly, this stuff is going to be removed from the market. Do not take any SSRI or SNRI-type drug you are offered. They all can cause permanent structural changes in the brain that cause people to never be able to be off them and function as they once did. Tricyclic antidepressants are harder on the body, but do not cause permanent damage. There are a number of stories about people being prescribed Zyban (Wellbutrin for people who wish to quit smoking) and experiencing debilitationg side effects that are long-lasting. Go to http://www.drugawareness.org/home.html If you are feeling depressed, it is far better to look at making changes in food (to whole foods), and taking something like gingko biloba to SAFELY boost your energy. St. John's Wort has been shown to be effective against mild to moderate depression in a number of clinical trials now. It has been prescribed in Europe for over 25 years as a first line of defense drug for depression. If tyou need any more info, please contact me. This is my field of expertise. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSms
For zapping to kill certain pathogens. More information at www.huldaclark.com Marlene - Original Message - From: mikejon...@wmconnect.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSms WHAT is a zapper???
Re: CSOT, welbutrin
Marshalee, My Spouce has ADD. Dr gave him that and he couldn't take it. She then gave him REMRON, a realative new drug at the time and he has been able to take that . He takes it before going to bed, Comes in 15 mg's or 30 mg's.. he knows by himself if he needs the 15's or 30's, been on it for about 4 yrs now. once in a while he skips it. It does let you sleep for abt 10 hrs. What will work for one person may not work for another. He was a trained (colege) Chemist s so knows a lot about different drugs etc. He takes Methalyn days as the Remron will make you want to sleep more at least for him. The Methalyn is a form of Ritalyn.(in). If the depression is from something going on in life that is temporary I would want something else or try to eliminate the problem causing.. Busy yourself in some new interest etc. Maxine Original Message- From: Marshalee Hallett liah...@utah-inter.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:21 AM Subject: Re: CSOT, welbutrin Another thing, dear Listers, my doc gave me some samples of Welbutrin to try for the depression I`m having recently. Anyone have any knowledge or experience, good or bad with this stuff?? I hesitate to take stuff like that... Marshalee
Re: CSms
For zapping to kill certain pathogens. More information at www.huldaclark.com If you're looking for electrical devices that have some efficacy look at Rife and Beck products. The Zapper is over-hyped and cannot even begin to touch most pathogens. I would imagine we have a scientist or two here that can expound on this. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT, diabetes and MS : solution
Hi Marshalee; Diabetes is only a disorder and can easily be stopped. MS is primarily lipid peroxidation, regardless of whether it's caused by mycoplasma, HHV, mercury, aluminum, etc...doesn't matter. Contact me privately for details. The gist of the peer-reviewed information is that Methylation will help the myelin sheaths regrow, and antioxidant therapy including especially glutathione precursor Immunocal/HMS-90, will stop the disease from progressing. The Immunocal helps your body chuck any (myelin-damaging)metals and will help your immune system and cells to resist invasion by mycoplasma and HHV, and whatever. It will reduce inflammation both directly and indirectly and also help eliminate toxins currently in your system. Regardless of your electronic, CS, or Rife therapies you may employ, this is the simple base on which to build a successful MS program. On the diabetes, I have several hints some of which overlap with the MS therapy, gleaned from a quick romp through peer-reviewed data. (Many MDs believe diabetes is a chromium/vanadium deficiency). A simple chromium deficiency results in an increased need for insulin. And excess insulin, such as is seen in many cases of type 2 diabetes, can in turn cause a chromium deficiency. The bottom line is that chromium may be useful for both type 1 and type 2 diabetes. In a study involving 180 type-II diabetics, the volunteers getting a total of 1000 mcg -or one milligram (mg)- of chromium daily improved significantly compared to the placebo group after only two months. By the end of four months, their average hemoglobin A(ic) was 6.6 percent compared to 8.5 for the placebo group. A normal level is usually less than 6.2 percent. The low-chromium group getting 200 mcg daily ended the study with a hemoglobin A(ic) level of 7.5 percent, also significantly below the placebo group. But there was no significant difference in blood glucose between the low-chromium and placebo groups. In the high-chromium group, however, blood glucose after an overnight fast was down to 129 mg/dL versus 160 mg/dL in the placebo group. And it averaged 190 mg/dL two hours after eating a meal versus 223 mg/dL in the placebo group. In nondiabetic people, blood glucose is around 100 mg/dL after fasting and 120 mg/dL after a meal, said Lois Jovanovic-Peterson, a physician specializing in diabetes and a senior scientist at the Sansum Medical Research Foundation in Santa Barbara, Calif. In addition to improvements in blood glucose, the high-chromium group had a significant drop in total cholesterol. And both the high- and low-chromium groups had a significant drop in plasma insulin just two months after beginning the supplements and a further drop at four months. 1,000 mcg daily is on the high side, however, and may present safety concerns. Chromium is available in a number of forms, some of which are better absorbed than others. Chromium citrate is well absorbed, while chromium chloride is not. Take chromium and vanadium sulphate together for best results. They aid insulin in getting sugar into the cell, which lowers blood sugar levels. The Islets of Langerhans produce insulin in the pancreas. The Islets can be regenerated using the sweet herb Gymnema Sylvestre, available in health food stores. Gymnema Sylvestre also reduces your craving for carbohydrates, especially sugars. Many people cannot control their carbohydrate cravings and remain overweight even though they follow an otherwise prudent diet. Fiber from chitosan, pectin, guar gum, and psyllium husk works by absorbing some of the dietary fat that is normally absorbed into your blood stream. Dr. Batmanghelidj's book, Your Body's Many Cries For Water, deals with diabetes its cellular causes, which involve not drinking enough water, or not taking salt with it, lack of exercise why that is important to getting tryptophan across the blood-brain barrier, how tryptophan helps regulate cellular water transfer, etc. Tryptophan is not only the precursor to four of the most important neurotransmitters, it is critically involved in cellular hydration balance. If you are on antidepressants or tranquilizers you are assumed to be serotonin deficient, which means you are tryptophan deficient! Finally, you've got to stop using unsaturated oils, especially polyunsaturates except for a LITTLE for omega-3 EFAs. Use coconut oil, palm oil, butter and lard. Coconut oil drops triglycerides 15% while canola raises them 47%. Coconut oil clients invariably lose weight; canola, corn and soy users invariably gain. ciao Duncan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive:
Re: CSOT, diabetes and MS
Marsha: It sounds to me like your lyme disease has flared up as the symptoms are the same. I've had lyme for forty some years and assure you that you never kill it completely. It hides in dryer tissues such as the lymph system and flares up with a trauma or some other unknown reason. My lyme was cured so I thought, for the last two years. A month and a half ago I bumped my knee against some concrete. Not hard enough to cause a bruise, only made it a little sore. I went ahead and had my seven mile bicycle ride for the day. Later that day my knee started to swell to about triple normal size. When that happens that quick it explodes the tissues from inside and makes it take a long time to heal completely. I started taking six ounces of CS every half hour, in two days the swelling was starting to go down. I kept on the dosage for another day and at the end of the first week the swelling was gone, but it took another six weeks to return to 100 percent. Always in the past when one knee went ballistic the other would follow before the first one quit. You had lyme disease so you still have lyme disease, CS can only kill what is in the blood stream and when it hides elsewhere it can launch an attack at any time. The constant use of CS will usually keep it at bay but you have to be ready to launch the big guns ( frequent dosage ) to drive it back when an attack happens. Dave This is the second time to try to send this,I wish I could figure out how to operate a computer :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSElectronic Products:
Hi I am looking to buy Electronic equipment..Chi-Machines-Zappers-Rife-ect if anyone has anything to sell please send list and price...Thanks MM. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSms
I have a friend with MS who used a zapper, and she believs it set her back about a year. We don't know why, but on CS alone she kept improving, and when she began with the zapper, her walking regressed. Nancy DeLIse - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:09 AM Subject: CSms Is there any good reason not to try a zapper? I don't have ms, but my zapper has sure done me a lot of good for I don't know what all. I am using a Don Croft model. pj __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT, welbutrin
I'm not sure I wold take any prescription drug from a doctor these days. Have you tried colloidal gold for depression? With these possible diagnosis you have, who wouldn't be depressed? - Original Message - From: Marshalee Hallett To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: Re: CSOT, welbutrin Another thing, dear Listers, my doc gave me some samples of Welbutrin to try for the depression I`m having recently. Anyone have any knowledge or experience, good or bad with this stuff?? I hesitate to take stuff like that... Marshalee
Re: CSOT, diabetes and MS
I think this makes the most sense to me Nancy - Original Message - From: Dave Darrin ddar...@centurytel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:09 PM Subject: Re: CSOT, diabetes and MS Marsha: It sounds to me like your lyme disease has flared up as the symptoms are the same. I've had lyme for forty some years and assure you that you never kill it completely. It hides in dryer tissues such as the lymph system and flares up with a trauma or some other unknown reason. My lyme was cured so I thought, for the last two years. A month and a half ago I bumped my knee against some concrete. Not hard enough to cause a bruise, only made it a little sore. I went ahead and had my seven mile bicycle ride for the day. Later that day my knee started to swell to about triple normal size. When that happens that quick it explodes the tissues from inside and makes it take a long time to heal completely. I started taking six ounces of CS every half hour, in two days the swelling was starting to go down. I kept on the dosage for another day and at the end of the first week the swelling was gone, but it took another six weeks to return to 100 percent. Always in the past when one knee went ballistic the other would follow before the first one quit. You had lyme disease so you still have lyme disease, CS can only kill what is in the blood stream and when it hides elsewhere it can launch an attack at any time. The constant use of CS will usually keep it at bay but you have to be ready to launch the big guns ( frequent dosage ) to drive it back when an attack happens. Dave This is the second time to try to send this,I wish I could figure out how to operate a computer :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMS links to MAC MC 'sDNA?
People with Scottish names are more likely to develop MS .and Surnames with MAC or MCare the riskiest,approx. 25% increased risk.Scientists led by Peter Rothwell of Radcliffe Infirmary in Oxford investigated the rate in southeast of Scotland.Their work may explain the anomaly around the globe where MS is common have high numbers of people with Scottish ancestry in their population.The scientists say that since people with Scottish surnames run an increased risk regardless of where they live,it is more likely a GENETIC susceptibility carried by many people with Scottish ancestry. Rothwells' work is published in the Journal of Neurology,Neurosurgery and Psychiatry. Fortunately I am only 1/2 Scottish and MS doesn't run in our side of the MacDonalds;but I wouldn't be surprised if the reason for MS in Scotland was because of the centuries of wretched living,ie ,cold climate;food:Oatmeal porridge,Haggis,mutton,etc. UGH! Harold --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/02
Re: CSNEW RESEARCH
Dear Wong, The dosages you relate appear quite adequate for general maintenance for individuals with mild challenges. Interestingly, we found that a reversal of the percentages of ALA and ALC you state.gave the best results. The addition of COQ-10 should only help. Creatine is not adviseable in some cases..especially in advanced age volunteers. The reason being that it, sometimes, causes a condition similar to anabolic steroid-induced trauma..in these sensitive individuals. While creatine has shown to offer excellent support to the bulk of the population (especially under 55 years, biological age), some caution should be considered before utilizing for older volunteers. Reaction tests might be in orderespecially if larger dosages are contemplated for older non-athletes. In cases of acute challenge we utilized as much as 1000 mg ALA daily..with excellent results. At these levels we did use 500 mg of ALC. A side note you may find of interest; is that we obtained (in some cases) unusually effective early response among the most highly challenged group.through using a 10 minute pre-conditioning of O2 (at approximately 80% O2 and 20% atmospheric air). Although we did not encounter any cases of hyper-ventilation during the O2 preconditioning protocols..it would be prudent to remember that if such WERE to occur, just having the volunteer breathe in and out into a plain brown paper bag will alleviate the consequences quite rapidly. Our results using the little artist's air-brush to deliver the O2 demonstrated to be equally effective..as did employing a conventional hospital-type oxygen-support system. The hospital-type system is cost-prohibitive-for most do-it-your-selfer researchers.An additional result which recommends the simple air-brush system is that by holding the discharge nozzle just inside the mouth and closing the lips to within about 1/4 circular clearance around the air-brush nozzlea resultant venturi action which pulls atmospheric air into the gas-stream..completely mitigates against hyper-ventilation. Good luck in your personal researches. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. wong...@aol.com wrote: Dear Brooks I am not a researcher but if I may, I would like the dosage protocol you used. Here is some information from another list you may be interested in: suggested dosage to be taken 3 times a day. ALC 500mg ALA 250mg COQ10 80 mg CREATINE 5g. Costing based on Beyond A Century prices $1.82 per day. Wong In a message dated 02/26/2002 7:40:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, liat...@flash.net writes: I have noticed that there has been, quite recently, some interesting references to possible benefits from using alpha lipoic acid and acetyl-l-carnitine.in combination. The latest comments originate from the Linus Pauling Institute. Their claim is for an order of magnitude increase in effectivity..over either substance ingested alone. I was VERY interested in their commentssince we have prosecuted a series of mammal-based evaluations..using these very subsances in concert. Our results trackvery closelythose claimed by this Institute. We did not deem it necessary to undergo the expense of Blind Studies for such an exploratory-type investigation; we, none-the-less, have a substantive confidence there IS merit to this protocol. Through varying the proportions of the two compounds, we have arrived at a tentative assumption that-alpha lipoic acid is the most powerful progenitor in the combinationand is more powerful in results when combined with much smaller portions of acetyl-l-carnitine-than when the reverse conditions are manifest. The principal reason for our original interest was based upon our pronounced interest in addressing the challenges of age-related insults presenting in humans and other higher mammals. I am, at present, discussing the adviseability of mentioning the dosage protocols we found to be most efficacious. If I can obtain the proper legal assurances, I will.most probablypost a synopsis of our results to the list. Meantime, I would encourage the membership to conductat least---a literature search on this protocol. Such is ESPECIALLY recommended for older researchers suffering from a lowered metabolic level and/or cognition-related challengesmost especially compromises in clearness of thought and ability to maintain a coherent thought pattern. Researchers in SERIOUS straits may contact me off-line for a more extended explanation. Please, no FISHING EXPEDITIONS.while healthy, my total energies are limited-I do wish to utilize them to best
Re: CSOT, diabetes and MS
Marsha: It sounds to me like your lyme disease has flared up as the symptoms are the same. No, they are not the same at all. I know what Lyme feels like, this ain`t it. With Lyme my joints ached, I had brainfog, I was really TIRED, and so on, for about 45 more symptoms. Now I have ringing in the ears, neuropathy, skin thickening, and depression, only the last is also Lyme connected. My sister has MS, badly, and she knows what it`s like. I've had lyme for forty some years and assure you that you never kill it completely. It hides in dryer tissues such as the lymph system and flares up with a trauma or some other unknown reason. My lyme was cured so I thought, for the last two years. A month and a half ago I bumped my knee against some concrete. Not hard enough to cause a bruise, only made it a little sore. I went ahead and had my seven mile bicycle ride for the day. Later that day my knee started to swell to about triple normal size. That does NOT sound like Lyme. I have, before Lyme, bumped myself slightly, and because I broke some vessel or something, swelled up. When that happens that quick it explodes the tissues from inside and makes it take a long time to heal completely. I started taking six ounces of CS every half hour, in two days the swelling was starting to go down. I kept on the dosage for another day and at the end of the first week the swelling was gone, but it took another six weeks to return to 100 percent. Always in the past when one knee went ballistic the other would follow before the first one quit. You had lyme disease so you still have lyme disease, CS can only kill what is in the blood stream and when it hides elsewhere it can launch an attack at any time. What makes you think that CS can`t kill off the Lyme? It is so fine it can get inside the cells where it hides. ABX can`t do that, that`s why they can`t get rid of Lyme totally. The constant use of CS will usually keep it at bay but you have to be ready to launch the big guns ( frequent dosage ) to drive it back when an attack happens. Dave I`m (hopefully) having an MRI done soon, it will show if it is MS or not. I`ll keep you posted. Marshalee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS Argyria
Hello, I am new to this list. I ordered my CS generator a few days ago, and I can't wait to get it. I have surfed the web extensively for possible dangers/risks of Colloidal Silver. And I keep seeing references to Argyria. I also saw a homepage of a woman that appearantly has this disease (?) and she looks like someone from Star-Trek. Well, not really, but she has a blue face anyway. The thought that I would wake up one day with a blue face seriously scares me. I searched for more information on Argyria, and it is often mentioned in the same breath with Colloidal (?) Silver. Some say that onle the grinded and chemically modiefied silver zould cause Argyria in some rare cases. Other people claim that even Colloidal Silver can cause Argyria. I would like to know your comments. Is there any news on the CS/Argyria relationship? Does it only apply when you take the silver orally? Are there any new cases of Argyria known? Looking foreward to your reply. Thanks a lot! -No Strezzz Cazzz Amateurs built the Ark. Professionals built the Titanic... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT, diabetes and MS
I have read the message belo. I had an Uncle, (Cecil ) that had what they used to call Elephant's disease. It was thickening of the skin and also things inside happening. I also havea 3rd cousin , ( Ellen) that has the same thing. I have been told this is a hereditary illness. Cecil is my Mother's,Brother Their mother, ( my Gran , mother) was a sister to Ellen's Granfather. and theirParents were a Brannan(male)and Rooks, (female), So it had to have come fromeither the Male side or female side of our Grt Granparents.I have since heard that several other's alo had this and it still hade to have come from the GRt gran parents. Brannan or Rooks of which I haven't heard yet as anyone before on either side as lots of death causes imfo was not recorded back in that time unless in bibles etc. There is another name for this I can't think of just now. Cecil eventually had to have some intestines (potions) removed as got stone like. He died yrs later when in 80's. You already have a number of things gong on with you as I think I read along the way so I realy couldn't say just what the problem is. But it sounds like what these two, Cecil ( deceased) and Ellen( alive) had. Maxine othernfather were siblings -Original Message- From: Marshalee Hallett liah...@utah-inter.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: Re: CSOT, diabetes and MS Marsha: It sounds to me like your lyme disease has flared up as the symptoms are the same. No, they are not the same at all. I know what Lyme feels like, this ain`t it. With Lyme my joints ached, I had brainfog, I was really TIRED, and so on, for about 45 more symptoms. Now I have ringing in the ears, neuropathy, skin thickening, and depression, only the last is also Lyme connected. My sister has MS, badly, and she knows what it`s like. I've had lyme for forty some years and assure you that you never kill it completely. It hides in dryer tissues such as the lymph system and flares up with a trauma or some other unknown reason. My lyme was cured so I thought, for the last two years. A month and a half ago I bumped my knee against some concrete. Not hard enough to cause a bruise, only made it a little sore. I went ahead and had my seven mile bicycle ride for the day. Later that day my knee started to swell to about triple normal size. That does NOT sound like Lyme. I have, before Lyme, bumped myself slightly, and because I broke some vessel or something, swelled up. When that happens that quick it explodes the tissues from inside and makes it take a long time to heal completely. I started taking six ounces of CS every half hour, in two days the swelling was starting to go down. I kept on the dosage for another day and at the end of the first week the swelling was gone, but it took another six weeks to return to 100 percent. Always in the past when one knee went ballistic the other would follow before the first one quit. You had lyme disease so you still have lyme disease, CS can only kill what is in the blood stream and when it hides elsewhere it can launch an attack at any time. What makes you think that CS can`t kill off the Lyme? It is so fine it can get inside the cells where it hides. ABX can`t do that, that`s why they can`t get rid of Lyme totally. The constant use of CS will usually keep it at bay but you have to be ready to launch the big guns ( frequent dosage ) to drive it back when an attack happens. Dave I`m (hopefully) having an MRI done soon, it will show if it is MS or not. I`ll keep you posted. Marshalee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSms
www.quantumbalancing.com This is the main url for Beck's protocol. Incidentally, Beck has given his blessing to Sota for their products. www.sotainstruments.com FDA/FTC relentlessly attacked them, but most recently FTC backed down, which is quite a feat. What's strange is how FTC could even try since Sota is a Canadian firm. Their magnetic pulser is now a licensed non-prescription medical device in Canada. They are trying to get the blood electrification approved as well, but I doubt that will happen anytime soon. Russ Torlage is a good guy. I have two Beck-type devices. One is a modified version. - Original Message - From: Catherine Creel ccr...@maine.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: Re: CSms For zapping to kill certain pathogens. More information at www.huldaclark.com If you're looking for electrical devices that have some efficacy look at Rife and Beck products. The Zapper is over-hyped and cannot even begin to touch most pathogens. I would imagine we have a scientist or two here that can expound on this. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChelation-milk thistle, some serious FYI
The liver enzyme test you are referring to is GGT, there is also SGOT (could also be that one), SGPT, and alkaline phosphtase. Those are the main liver enzymes for a serum (blood) chemistry profile. A very interesting note The milk thistle really DOES work - or at least covers up the damage done to a liver. Why do I say this you ask??? Because insurers (life, health) are scared of what it can cover up/heal. Do NOT admit to taking it if you are applying for insurance. They may take that as reason enough to decline you. At least the insurance industry is beginning to take the healing properties of herbs seriously, or on a more cynical note, maybe they are just using it to their advantage. Either way, the word is getting out. On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:09:17 EST brick...@aol.com writes: Finished 10 IV Chelations for my fifth year. Cholesterol is down 86 points but Dr. noticed a high liver reading on my blood test, GOT? He prescribed Silymarin (Milk Thistle) 3 X per day for 30 days. He also said to take Apple Cider vinegar because of crystals saw in my blood test. He said vinegar would dissolve the crystals. I tried one T in my 2 liter water bottle and within a couple days my kidneys really opened up. I had to get up 3 times during the night when I never got up before. I also got 7 porcelain crowns after insurance will cost me $35 each. The border is a good one hour wait coming back to the USA. The 10 Chelations lowered the GOT reading but it was still 3 points above their limit of 65. Several people getting Chelations are now starting to make their own Cs as I told everyone who would listen about the virtues of Cs. Brickey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.
Re: CSOT, diabetes and MS
There are other methods to go after the viruses hiding in tissue. One is by an Iontophoresis device, which I have. Others are by RF (Lachovsky), Rife etc. UVBI (ultraviolet blood irradiation) is very effective against blood borne infections. See Dr. William Campbell Douglass M.D. Ozone therapy is yet another. And, there are certain herbal preparations that play hell on viruses, and cancer. One is called C-Herb. I've used it many times. It works by exposing the protein sheath that protects the virus from detection by the immune system, thereby allowing it's destruction by the body's NK cells. Warts, molesanything this is a non-self cell, including Hepatitis C. - Original Message - From: Dave Darrin ddar...@centurytel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:09 PM Subject: Re: CSOT, diabetes and MS Marsha: It sounds to me like your lyme disease has flared up as the symptoms are the same. I've had lyme for forty some years and assure you that you never kill it completely. It hides in dryer tissues such as the lymph system and flares up with a trauma or some other unknown reason. My lyme was cured so I thought, for the last two years. A month and a half ago I bumped my knee against some concrete. Not hard enough to cause a bruise, only made it a little sore. I went ahead and had my seven mile bicycle ride for the day. Later that day my knee started to swell to about triple normal size. When that happens that quick it explodes the tissues from inside and makes it take a long time to heal completely. I started taking six ounces of CS every half hour, in two days the swelling was starting to go down. I kept on the dosage for another day and at the end of the first week the swelling was gone, but it took another six weeks to return to 100 percent. Always in the past when one knee went ballistic the other would follow before the first one quit. You had lyme disease so you still have lyme disease, CS can only kill what is in the blood stream and when it hides elsewhere it can launch an attack at any time. The constant use of CS will usually keep it at bay but you have to be ready to launch the big guns ( frequent dosage ) to drive it back when an attack happens. Dave This is the second time to try to send this,I wish I could figure out how to operate a computer :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSElectronic Products:
Looks suspicious to me... - Original Message - From: Medicine Man yahw...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: CSElectronic Products: Hi I am looking to buy Electronic equipment..Chi-Machines-Zappers-Rife-ect if anyone has anything to sell please send list and price...Thanks MM. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT, welbutrin
Eniva makes very good mineral products, including colloidal gold. www.eniva.com - Original Message - From: MARIANO DELISE To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 6:51 PM Subject: Re: CSOT, welbutrin I'm not sure I wold take any prescription drug from a doctor these days. Have you tried colloidal gold for depression? With these possible diagnosis you have, who wouldn't be depressed? - Original Message - From: Marshalee Hallett To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: Re: CSOT, welbutrin Another thing, dear Listers, my doc gave me some samples of Welbutrin to try for the depression I`m having recently. Anyone have any knowledge or experience, good or bad with this stuff?? I hesitate to take stuff like that... Marshalee
CSzapper
I will have to differ with you regarding the zappers. I have and use a Beck silver pulser and the Sota magnetic pulser and would not wish to be without either. But I have and use continually the Croft zapper. It is wonderful. So are the other two devices. I kinda dread using the Beck pulser as I have experienced the depression that can accompany its use. Not any fun at all. It is over in a couple of weeks, but I dread going through it. I don't think everyone has that, but I sure do. But with the zapper I only feel good, really good. But after a month and a half with the pulser, I feel really good too, so I am currently using the Croft zapper 24/7 and the Beck unit for 1 and 1/2 hours per day. So far no depression, but its only been a few days. It took a week or so to kick in last time. G. But I know it will be over soon and then I will feel great. It may be overkill, but I am going to do it. The Hulda Clark parasite program will make you feel great too. After its over. It isn't much fun either--all those pills and 7 or 8 wormwood pills at once can make the stomach feel rebellious!!Anyway, these are some of my experiences and observations regarding these devices. Everybody's different. pj __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT, welbutrin
Marshalee, While I am very reluctant to take antibiotics, and I am very anti-allopathic, etc., I have suffered chronic depression for at least the last 30 years. I have tried anti-depressants from every catagory. SSRI side effects were horrible for me. Recently, my doctor asked if I had ever taken Wellbutrin SR, and I hadn't...so being ever on the look out for something which would work, I tried it. I took the first 150mg pill at the pharmacy. Twenty minutes later I arrived home and my wife could see the difference in my face. I was calm (not drugged) and smiled at her. My concentration was vastly improved and I was laughing, like a normal person. This drug has broken the cycle of depression for me. I am now able to funtion without fighting all of the side effects of depression. I have learned how it feels to not be depressed and have concentrated on keeping those feelings. After about a year of varying my dosage according to my needs, I am now taking only one 150mg tablet every other day, and sometimes I will take a 100mg on the off day. I experienced no side effects until I reached a dosage of over 300mg/day, and then I had some trouble sleeping and increased anxiety. My wife is experiencing the early stages of menopause and has also found that Wellbutrin SR provided immediate relief from depression and mood swings with no side effects. She too, after reaching 300mg/day, has found that 150mg every day with an additional 150mg every now and then to be adequate. I have tried all of the other methods, St John's Wort, 5-HTP, etc., etc., but none worked. This has worked for me. Your mileage may vary. I don't want to start a thread on this and only offer my experience for you to consider. Others who have had different experiences should speak about them and not to me, I am not going to debate anyone over this...got too many other fun things to do. I will answer any relevant questions off list, however...but I won't defend what I am doing, so don't waste your time...I have been in the barrel too long and don't care. Warmest regards, Craig Marshalee Hallett wrote: Another thing, dear Listers, my doc gave me some samples of Welbutrin to try for the depression I`m having recently. Anyone have any knowledge or experience, good or bad with this stuff?? I hesitate to take stuff like that... Marshalee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT, welbutrin
Marshalee, One Additional clarification...make sure it is Wellbutrin SR...not just Wellbutrin. Wellbutrin has a bit of a higher side effect of seizures, while SR is the same as other SSRI's, etc. Trycyclic's are among the worst wrt side-effects. Warmest regards, Craig Marshalee Hallett wrote: Another thing, dear Listers, my doc gave me some samples of Welbutrin to try for the depression I`m having recently. Anyone have any knowledge or experience, good or bad with this stuff?? I hesitate to take stuff like that... Marshalee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSElectronic Products:
Government agent! Gonna take it all off the market and destroy them! Jump in here Marshall Chuck 2+2=5, for moderately large values of two . On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:48:07 -0500, DJG ql...@tds.net wrote: Looks suspicious to me... - Original Message - From: Medicine Man yahw...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: CSElectronic Products: Hi I am looking to buy Electronic equipment..Chi-Machines-Zappers-Rife-ect if anyone has anything to sell please send list and price...Thanks MM. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSzapper
I will have to differ with you regarding the zappers. I have and use a Beck silver pulser and the Sota magnetic pulser and would not wish to be without either. But I have and use continually the Croft zapper. It is wonderful. So are the other two devices. I kinda dread using the Beck pulser as I have experienced the depression that can accompany its use. Not any fun at all. It is over in a couple of weeks, but I dread going through it. I don't think everyone has that, but I sure do. But with the zapper I only feel good, really good. But after a month and a half with the pulser, I feel really good too, so I am currently using the Croft zapper 24/7 and the Beck unit for 1 and 1/2 hours per day. So far no depression, but its only been a few days I thought we were talking about the Zapper in relation to MS possibly cause by a virus. This was the basis for my comment about the Zapper. Honestly, though, you could probably touch your tongue to a nine volt battery for 1 a few seconds 3x a day and get similar results :-) Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSElectronic Products:
lol - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: Re: CSElectronic Products: Government agent! Gonna take it all off the market and destroy them! Jump in here Marshall Chuck 2+2=5, for moderately large values of two . On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:48:07 -0500, DJG ql...@tds.net wrote: Looks suspicious to me... - Original Message - From: Medicine Man yahw...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: CSElectronic Products: Hi I am looking to buy Electronic equipment..Chi-Machines-Zappers-Rife-ect if anyone has anything to sell please send list and price...Thanks MM. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSInteresting....and promising technology.
I have, for some time, enjoyed the fruits of swimming upstream through following the advice of a maverick economist and stock analyst named Bill Bonner. He publishes a periodical named The Daily Reckoning. This acknowledgment has absolutely nothing to do with my impending disclosure.other than to identify its original source. For those among the list membership interested in, what I regard to be, the more genuine aspects of the presently-manifesting medical technologies.especially with an eye to possible investment strategies, a study of this article might be appealing. While these particular companies (those identified in the article) may not be THE ANSWER, such approaches do seem (to me at least) to offer a more sensible alternative than do those presently receiving the bulk of media attention. My comments are not intended to recommend anything...to anyone; but rather to share a source of information I have found to be quite helpful in making my own decisions relating to sectors/business firms of our economy. The concept of heat shock proteins and anti-angiogenesis compounds do indeed appear to suggest a swift and impending shift in medical protocols...especially regarding the address of some of the more threatening afflictionsincluding cancer. I found this article to be quite informative and to reflectat least in partmy personal convictions regarding the general direction which the more efficacious (among alleopathic methodologies) research is headed. http://www.agora-inc.com/reportsSTAN/drcg/home.cfm Do be advised this communication is in NO way a suggestion that one consider or be encouraged to purchase stocks or securites from ANYONE. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. p.s. It is possible persons attempting to contact the url will be rejected by the electronic filtering system at Agora. It may reject interrogations not emanating from members. If this occurs to interested parties.just email me. I have the article archived and can just copy and email it to you. The analyses do appear quite clever and well done. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS: CSElectronic Products:
Hello Collector; Medicine Man, What are you going to do with all these things you are wanting to buy Are you going to repair if nreeded and resell them, use the parts, or destroy them fro another reason What are you willing to pay for them. May we havre a list of items with the limited price you will pay Interested party. Please post to list. so we can anyone reply. - Original Message - From: Medicine Man yahw...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: CSElectronic Products: Hi I am looking to buy Electronic equipment..Chi-Machines-Zappers-Rife-ect if anyone has anything to sell please send list and price...Thanks MM. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[Fwd: [healthfraud] More Bad News for Colloidal Silver]
Anyone care to comment? Leo ---BeginMessage--- From FDAnews Daily Bulletin for February 27, 2002: FTC CRACKS DOWN ON BOGUS BIOHAZARD TESTS, TREATMENTS The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has settled enforcement actions against the marketer of a home test kit for anthrax and the purveyor of a colloidal silver product purported to treat anthrax. These companies used inaccurate and unfounded claims to sell peace of mind, J. Howard Beales, director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection, said Feb. 27. They tried to cash in on consumer anxiety about bioterrorism. The FTC enforcement actions are part of a larger probe of internet-based companies marketing bogus products that take advantage of consumers who have grown fearful of bioterrorism. Since mid-November, the FTC has sent 121 warning letters to marketers of bioterrorism-related products discovered during a coordinated surf of the internet by the FTC, the FDA and more than 30 state attorneys general. Beales said that 50 of the 121 warning letters involved products related to the detection or treatment of anthrax. In one action, Vital Living Products and its president, Donald Podrebarac, entered into an agreement to settle charges that they deceptively advertised a do-it-yourself method to detect anthrax bacteria and spores in the air, water and on surfaces. Beales called the claims pure bunk. In the other action, Kris Pletschke, operator of the web site rawhealth.net, signed a consent agreement with the FTC that prohibits him from making deceptive and misleading therapeutic claims for colloidal silver or any other health-related products. Beales said the FTC ordered Pletschke to offer full refunds to all consumers who purchased colloidal silver. - * Eric S. Hoy, Ph.D., SI(ASCP) * Clinical Associate Professor * Department of Medical Laboratory Sciences * The University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas * Email: eric@utsouthwestern.edu -- The opinions expressed here are mine alone, do not reflect the opinions of any employer, cost you nothing, and are probably worth what you paid for them. **I may have been born at night, but it wasn't LAST night!** ---End Message---
Re: CS[Fwd: [healthfraud] More Bad News for Colloidal Silver]
Hi Leo, you said: Anyone care to comment? FTC CRACKS DOWN ON BOGUS BIOHAZARD TESTS, TREATMENTS The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has settled enforcement actions against the marketer of a home test kit for anthrax and the purveyor of a colloidal silver product purported to treat anthrax. These companies used inaccurate and unfounded claims to sell peace of mind, J. Howard Beales, director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection, said Feb. 27. They tried to cash in on consumer anxiety about bioterrorism. Sure. The damn fools shouldn't have been making specious claims. CS has never been tested against B. anthracis. You'll notice that those who did not make claims like this did not get nailed. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[Fwd: [healthfraud] More Bad News for Colloidal Silver]
I have a stock broker who handles some stocks for me. He supposedly is one of the most knowledgeable mining stock brokers in the U.S. He told me about a company called Clifton Mining which has a subsidiary called American Biotech Labs that produces a supposedly FDA approved CS- type solution called ASAP, which has many anti-bacterial properties. You can go read the info about this product: http://www.amsilver.com/ So, apparently the FDA doesn't have a problem with CS, maybe just with the way some people on the web are pushing its benefits. This isn't meant to be a plug for either of the companies listed. It's just some information you might find useful. I have no relationship with amsilver or Clifton Mining. Rick -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[Fwd: [healthfraud] More Bad News for Colloidal Silver]
Hi Rick, So, apparently the FDA doesn't have a problem with CS, maybe just with the way some people on the web are pushing its benefits. The devil's in the details. From the website: February 20, 2002. American Biotech Labs is pleased to announce that the ASAP Solution® has just been granted its first US EPA approval as a hard surface disinfectant. Note it says EPA and that it is approved as a surface disinfectant. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[Fwd: [healthfraud] More Bad News for Colloidal Silver]
Catherine: You're right, the website doesn't say anything about the FDA (but the EPA is close, isn't it??). I was looking on a vendor's (of ASAP) site and it stated the following: According to the manufacturer, it has also been approved as an antibiotic in several other countries and is the only silver solution product of this type that has been able to be filed with the FDA for drug approval. The manufacturer has already received approval by the FDA to begin testing of the product in both animals and humans. Note that while the ASAP Solution® has received approval by the FDA to begin testing, this does not mean that the FDA will eventually approve this product as an effective antibiotic. Hence, for now, the ASAP Solution® is not intended to treat, cure or prevent any disease. Note too that the FDA and government have not evaluated statements on this website (to the best of our knowledge) Again- I personally know nothing about these companies, but I find it at least cautiously optimistic that at least some form of a governmental organization is acknowledging their products potential benefits. I guess you ought to start somewhere. What actually is the process for FDA approval? Do you feel the powers at be will ever allow a CS type solution be approved? Rick -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[Fwd: [healthfraud] More Bad News for Colloidal Silver]
Hi Rick, You said: What actually is the process for FDA approval? Do you feel the powers at be will ever allow a CS type solution be approved? Anyone can file an application for approval of a product or procedure with the FDA. From there, it gets tougher. http://www.fda.gov/opacom/7approvl.html Do I think they will ever give approval? I have my doubts. Pharmaceutical companies stand to lose too much. Another problem is the lack of agreement and science to support one particular manufacturing process`and effectice ppm. To me, this lack of agreement is the biggest barrier to approval. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[Fwd: [healthfraud] More Bad News for Colloidal Silver]
Catherine- Thanks for the clarification. Rick - Original Message - From: Catherine Creel ccr...@maine.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:19 PM Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [healthfraud] More Bad News for Colloidal Silver] Hi Rick, You said: What actually is the process for FDA approval? Do you feel the powers at be will ever allow a CS type solution be approved? Anyone can file an application for approval of a product or procedure with the FDA. From there, it gets tougher. http://www.fda.gov/opacom/7approvl.html Do I think they will ever give approval? I have my doubts. Pharmaceutical companies stand to lose too much. Another problem is the lack of agreement and science to support one particular manufacturing process`and effectice ppm. To me, this lack of agreement is the biggest barrier to approval. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS Argyria
Have you searched the archives of this list? -Original Message- From: -No Strezzz Cazzz [mailto:butterph...@cazzz.demon.nl] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:13 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS Argyria -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
