CSCS for animals- please help
CSLovers, I'm hoping that someone can provide the kind of information that would encourage a veterinarian to add CS to his already progressive 'list of alternative approaches for animals.' I know there has been a great deal here about CS for animals/ pets, but only these days am I becoming interested. In a lifetime never much interested in pets, my kids have recently been dying for a dog, so now we have gotten one. The upshot, my wife and I have become animal lovers. I took our dog for a first checkup and after talking to our new vet about CS I can see that he's very interested. I thought he might be because he does acupuncture for animals and I'd never heard of this before. He asked for some printed information, from the silverlist, to help guide him the right way. Can anyone help with specifics? I suppose I'm looking for anecdotal information but if there's something more it would be appreciated. Thanks, Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFAO : Catherine re Lyme and Homeopathy from very Chronic Lyme sufferer
Kevin- As for sweating, there is a class of herbs which causes sweating, known as diaphoretics. Some members of this class are pungent and warm for colds, flu, and viruses, and are anti-infective and anti-viral, like peppermint leaf, ginger root, cinnamon bark, and cayenne pepper. They also stimulate circulation. Pungent cool diaphoretics are for hot conditions like fevers caused by bacterial infections and work as vasodilators, like Boneset herb, Linden flower, Catnip herb, Eucalyptus leaf, Spearmint leaf, Elder flower, and Camomile flower. I once gave a child with a high fever, ~103 degrees F, peppermint and catnip tea and the fever left in an hour or two. My Energetics of Western Herbs book by Peter Holmes says diaphoretics should not be used in cases of chronic deficiency conditions such as cancer, TB and diabetes. I don't know where Lyme disease fits in here. There is another class of herbs whose action is to stimulate the heart and circulation, dispel cold and relieve exhaustion, so they might be useful. They are pungent warm arterial and vascular stimulants like Rosemary leaf, Cinnamon bark (which says it antidotes poison, reduces infection, and clears parasites), Bayberry bark, Prickly ash bark, Sarsaparilla bark, Ginger root, and Cayenne pepper. Some of these were also in the diaphoretics list. My book says Chinese medicine considers the heart as the primary source of warmth in the body, so stimulating the heart and circulation warms the body. Some herbs that assist in detoxification and might help clear out your toxins are Dandelion root, Yellow dock root, Oregon grape root, Cleavers herb, Burdock root, Birch leaf and root, Celery seed, Black currant leaf, Red Clover flower, and Walnut leaf and hull. I consider herbal medicine more along the lines of eating food since they are plants than taking strong medicine, so perhaps some of the above that are common foods would be the mildest to start with. All fruits, vegetables, and culinary herbs also have some medicinal quality or another, in actual fact, evidence of design. Nancy __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSLemons AIDS Contraception
Silver Listers -- I couldn't resist this one from the old country I do realize it's off topic, please be lenient with me! This is ABC Australia's public radio and TV network -- still reasonably independant!! http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s698148.htm Go suck a lemon now has whole new meaning . . . Question: Have any of you male (or female) listers with a decent microscope done the CS and sperm test?? Chuck should be able to contribute to this one!! Thursday, October 10, 2002. Lemon could halt the spread of AIDS: scientists Australian scientists believe they have rediscovered an effective use for lemon juice - as a contraceptive and also a killer of the AIDS virus. Reproductive physiologist Roger Short, from the University of Melbourne's obstetrics department, said a few drops of lemon juice can be a cheap, easy-to-use solution to protect women from both HIV and pregnancy. The juice should be squeezed onto a piece of sponge or cotton wool and placed into the vagina before sex, he told Jonica Newby from ABC Television's Catalyst program. The program will be aired on the ABC tonight at 8.00pm AEST. We can show in the lab that lemon juice is very effective in immobilising human sperm and also very effective in killing HIV, Professor Short told Catalyst reporter Jonica Newby. He said lime juice, which has similar acid levels, can also be used, with both fruits often freely available in poor countries where contraception is hard to come by. Professor Short said laboratory tests found not only does lemon juice kill sperm, it also kills the AIDS virus itself. Professor Short had the idea after talking to some elderly women about forgotten contraceptives, which include half a lemon used like a diaphragm. When the lecture was over, 10 or 15 of these women came up to me, one by hand, put their hand on my shoulder and said, 'my dear, I used half a lemon, it was all right for me, Professor Short said. I thought, my golly! Lemon juice. That would kill HIV. Why haven't I looked? So I dashed back to Melbourne and said to my PhD students, 'Look, drop everything. This could be crazy, but it could be incredibly exciting', Professor Short said. He said using lemon juice as a contraceptive was not a new idea but it had fallen by the wayside over the years. The ancient douche-style contraceptive was encouraged by such luminaries as Casanova, renowned for his sexual prowess. This has been used for hundreds of years and we've just forgotten about it, said Professor Short, who is planning to conduct some field trials in Thailand. About 300 years ago, Mediterranean women used lemon juice as their main method of contraception. Lab tests encouraging Preliminary lab results so far look encouraging. Well, this is the acid test. Here's some fresh human sperm and some fresh lemon juice, and we're going to look at it under the microscope, he said. Seconds after adding the lemon juice, it is all over for the sperm. Have a look at that. It's a graveyard. In the test tube at least, lemon juice also appears to kill HIV. And that's enough to impress Dr Rob Moodie, head of Vic Health and a former director of UN AIDS in Africa. If it's true, it's an amazing story because we've been looking for the last 15 years for a viricide that's safe, that's easy to use, that can be controlled by women without necessarily their partners knowing, and this could be it, Dr Moodie said. But not everyone is so enthusiastic. Dr John Raff is the chief executive of Starpharma, which is working on its own vaginal AIDS preventive. He is worried about the safety of putting neat lemon juice inside the vagina. It's an acid and certainly if you clean your fingernails with lemon, you'll you soon see how strong an acid it is, and the tissues in the body, there's certainly the potential for irritation. It's just a very severe approach, Dr Raff said. But Roger Short is confident history is on his side. Women wouldn't have used lemons, he says, if they were harmful. We have a history of prior use of this compound, and our compound if free to anyone in a developing country who chooses to grow it. Whatever compounds they come up with will be tied up in patents which will be owned by Western pharmaceutical companies, Dr Short said. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS for animals- please help
Dear Reid, Tell your vet that it cured my baby cockatiel of a case of Giardia, microscopically diagnosed by a vet. CS also keeps my Pug well, when she has never had a shot in her life. She`s two now, and is the smartest dog I have ever had.I thing no shots has something to do with it. Marshalee CSLovers, I'm hoping that someone can provide the kind of information that would encourage a veterinarian to add CS to his already progressive 'list of alternative approaches for animals.' I know there has been a great deal here about CS for animals/ pets, but only these days am I becoming interested. In a lifetime never much interested in pets, my kids have recently been dying for a dog, so now we have gotten one. The upshot, my wife and I have become animal lovers. I took our dog for a first checkup and after talking to our new vet about CS I can see that he's very interested. I thought he might be because he does acupuncture for animals and I'd never heard of this before. He asked for some printed information, from the silverlist, to help guide him the right way. Can anyone help with specifics? I suppose I'm looking for anecdotal information but if there's something more it would be appreciated. Thanks, Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com - Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com
Re: CSFAO : Catherine re Lyme and Homeopathy from very Chronic Lyme sufferer
on 10/31/02 12:50 AM, Nancy Winiecki at hemna...@yahoo.com wrote: Kevin- As for sweating, there is a class of herbs which causes sweating, known as diaphoretics. Some members of this class are pungent and warm for colds, flu, and viruses, and are anti-infective and anti-viral, like peppermint leaf, ginger root, cinnamon bark, and cayenne pepper. They also stimulate circulation. Pungent cool diaphoretics are for hot conditions like fevers caused by bacterial infections and work as vasodilators, like Boneset herb, Linden flower, Catnip herb, Eucalyptus leaf, Spearmint leaf, Elder flower, and Camomile flower. I once gave a child with a high fever, ~103 degrees F, peppermint and catnip tea and the fever left in an hour or two. My Energetics of Western Herbs book by Peter Holmes says diaphoretics should not be used in cases of chronic deficiency conditions such as cancer, TB and diabetes. I don't know where Lyme disease fits in here. There is another class of herbs whose action is to stimulate the heart and circulation, dispel cold and relieve exhaustion, so they might be useful. They are pungent warm arterial and vascular stimulants like Rosemary leaf, Cinnamon bark (which says it antidotes poison, reduces infection, and clears parasites), Bayberry bark, Prickly ash bark, Sarsaparilla bark, Ginger root, and Cayenne pepper. Some of these were also in the diaphoretics list. My book says Chinese medicine considers the heart as the primary source of warmth in the body, so stimulating the heart and circulation warms the body. Some herbs that assist in detoxification and might help clear out your toxins are Dandelion root, Yellow dock root, Oregon grape root, Cleavers herb, Burdock root, Birch leaf and root, Celery seed, Black currant leaf, Red Clover flower, and Walnut leaf and hull. I consider herbal medicine more along the lines of eating food since they are plants than taking strong medicine, so perhaps some of the above that are common foods would be the mildest to start with. All fruits, vegetables, and culinary herbs also have some medicinal quality or another, in actual fact, evidence of design. Nancy __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com dear Nancy, You seem to know a lot about herbs, I need advice. I have excessively dry skin due to hep. years ago. I was recently at a bazaar and they had a product made from beeswax, jojoba the rest they would not tell me. Do you have any suggestions for excessively dry skin???
Re: CSSovereign Silver Vs the Rest
Ode Coyote wrote: Oxygen in a low voltage device does indeed form silver oxides, but they stay on the electrode. Not sure what happens to them in submerged electrode HVAC. Is silver oxide a problem anyway? Silver oxide does not form. Hydrogen is much more active than silver, and AC causes both to be generated at the electrode. Thus they immediately combine with each other returning to water. Nitrogen compounds are only a problem in high voltage exposed arc unblanketed generators. Agreed. All generators produce ionic silver. I believe that ions are what always leave the silver, and aggregate into the particles shortly thereafter. My guess is that basically ions form, and if the area just around the electrode exceeds the maximum ionic silver that can dissolve (12 or 13 ppm is it not?), they immediately aggregate. Thus if you stir while making it, the ionic will increase and the particle size will decrease. If you stire rapid enough, and the ppm does not exceed 12 or so ppm, it could be made almost totally ionic. This maximum is also affected by temperature of course. The only real difference is how large the particles get that form from the ions. There are various methods in the LVDC and HVAC methods that can limit that at least as well as Sovereign Silver. The question is, which results from what did they use and which did they not test? I seriously doubt that there ARE 75 different types of electrocolloidal [Bredig sol] silver. [which is what generators of all stripes attempt to make unless they purposefully add contaminants] Did he mean 'brands'? Did he mean 'types' of 'preparations'? I have no idea what they mean by type. Size, shape, zeta? Since size, shape and zeta can form a continuium between the different ones, there could be an infinite number of types if you use this criteria. (actually we are limited by the discrete charges and atoms, but there would still be lots more than 75). If you direct your attention with purpose, you can get tests and statistics to say anything you want. If you don't define your terms, you don't even need the statistics to say anything you want. Better to ask someone who doesn't make it and doesn't know who did, what it is. Ken At 12:25 PM 10/30/02 -0800, you wrote: Hi I recently talked with the president of Sovereign Silver, and we had a lenghtly conversation concerning his product versas all the rest out there. First I talked with him about Mild silver protein, and was informed, even though i have been having good results using it for a week, that long term use would more than likely lead to a build up in your tissues causing the coloring agyria. 2nd I also addressed the issue, an I am sure many on here will disagree, that their product is 10-40 times better than most home-made collodial silver products that manly use the constant current generators, due to the larger particle size and the fact that AIR is contaminating your process when you make it in a bottle. He informed me that they use water that is made in the lab, under a special high purity process, and then the water is covered with argon gas, to elimate any reactions such as silver oxides that might be produced from being exposed to Co2, O2, N2 etc. He told me they have compared there product to about 75 other types of colloidal silver and NONE of them stood up to theres, based on test results with variuos pathogens, at various levels of ppm. I did suggest however that it doesnt neccesarrily mean that constant current devices are harmful in any way, and that you do get a product produced even though it has silver oxides and and a larger particle size, and is a much less inferior product, one could still use ift for extreme cases such as food posinioing or external applications. I also addressed the issue with the silver-100 product that uses binding agents to the silver ions. There response was that this binding process lowers the energetic energy level of the silver ion, thus making it less effective and that the ph of this complex is acidic and does not match the ph of the human body like their product does. Thus the body must first convert this silver-100 complex into something else which has not been thourghly tested, and at a different ph which is accceptable to the body. My response was that I have had 100% results using silver-100 spray as an external applicant for killing herpes, yeasts, etc.(this is my own testimony with the product). So the jist of it is that there is no other product in the world that has a smaller particle size than .0006 mircons and anything smaller would be impossible due to the size of the silver atom(ion?) itself, not sure which one he stated. The catch of course is you are paying about 30 bucks for a 4 oz bottle. where as if you make it yourself using a constant current genertor such a SG6 you can make a lot more at about the same ppm, BUT WITH ADDED
Re: CSTDS/PWT meters
Hi Ken, I've been too busy to follow the PWT accuracy thread with anything more than casual interest. However, the Hanna technicians assure me the stated range is what their accuracy is based on. Today I took 3 PWT meters and put them into distilled water. I then began to add tap water very slowly and watched the readings rise over 99.9 without going off scale. However when the reading got to 199.9 it then jumped to 1--.- So, if for sake of argument the accuracy is 2% of full scale, then the most they would be off is 4 uS. But I think the factory is correct in saying the accuracy is set by the range they specify rather than the total reading the meter is capable of indicating. I believe it was Ivan who said they are just using the most linear portion of the scale to use and the over-reading capability is not to be considered at the same accuracy. Unless your meter is different than the three I tried, how can you get a reading of 999.0 before it goes off scale? Perhaps your meter is not working properly. Or should I try a few more meters to see if they all act the same? I really don't see any problem since we're not trying to measure anything near the upper limits. We're talking about the range of 5-20 uS in most cases and an occasional foray into the 30-40 uS area. I think they work just fine. And the ones I use are always in agreement. I always use 3 meters when calibrating our SG7's to make sure we get them properly adjusted. This seems like beating a dead horse to me. Trem - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: RE: CSTDS/PWT meters I'm willing, out of curiosity, to 'determine some idea' of how far off reality is from various stated views of it. [something within a range in an infinite scale] I've got an odd feeling that no one can say anything that's true about anything. [Nothing that is, except, perhaps, that statement.] So, maybe an average standard will do? [along with an illustration that that's all we ever had anyway?] The PWT actually has a 4 digit display and pegs out at 999.x uS just before it shows a 1 in the far left saying it can't read that high or any higher. The DIST 1 [much similar to the TDS1 I presume] will read up to 1999 PPM before the last 3 places vanish leaving a 1 in the far left place to indicate it's beyond capabilities. Range is stated as 1990 PPM [all regardless of accuracy issues or what or how anything is written, these are the actual facts based on doing and seeing it.] My problem with all this is that accuracy is based on full scale without any clear indication of what full scale 'is' even if [especially if] full scale is not as high as it will read. Nor are there any indications that there is more than one scale. If they had based accuracy on the intended range within any scale or numbers of scales, I'd not even have a question. Who cares what it reads beyond it's intended range? But when you base accuracy on scale and then don't say what the scale is, leaving you to assume it's something like the stated range, but turns out not to be even close and they don't make any attempt at all to qualify the possible differences in perceptions and go on to write a specification based on an undefined quantity...I tend to wonder what the heck they said or if anything was. It smacks of double speak fit for a politician. [or salesman...same motive of persuasion] Have you seen the negative political ad where the written words say ... took $40,000 from sons college fund to buy a new car [implying that she ripped her son off] and the vocals say ..Took $40,000 out of sons college fund because 'he' wanted a new car..and slurred the 'he' part just a little to sound a little like s-he ? Double speak and misdirection. Manipulation towards a point of view that's not true but done without actually lying. The FDA reports on colloidal silver are chock FULL of that sort of thing. Why? For instance...not proven safe or effective does not mean proven unsafe and ineffective, but that's the impression that one gets from the reading and phrasing of a collection of studies that have the title Colloidal Silver...when not one single study within the report even mentions colloidal silver. One may as well compare a Volvo to rust because they both contain iron, then say whatever you want to about Volvos because iron is strong or rust is stable. Is it a true statement that rust can't rust, so it's rust proof? I've had dependable Datsuns that ran till there was nothing left to hold the wheels on..in only 10 years. Well, it ran extremely dependably and still does, but you can't drive it. Toyota fixed the rust problems but screwed up the motors by replacing a $12 steel part that never fails with a plastic one that tears up the entire front of the motor and contaminates the oil which burns up the
CSmsm-msm.com????
...I learned about this site from this list, and ordered MSM inexpensive Ester-C in the past, but it now seems defunct. Any more suggestions for great deals on these related items? Tx. --Russ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTDS/PWT meters
I'm willing, out of curiosity, to 'determine some idea' of how far off
reality is from various stated views of it. [something within a range in an
infinite scale]
I've got an odd feeling that no one can say anything that's true about
anything. [Nothing that is, except, perhaps, that statement.]
So, maybe an average standard will do? [along with an illustration that
that's all we ever had anyway?]
The PWT actually has a 4 digit display and pegs out at 999.x uS just
before it shows a 1 in the far left saying it can't read that high or any
higher.
The DIST 1 [much similar to the TDS1 I presume] will read up to 1999 PPM
before the last 3 places vanish leaving a 1 in the far left place to
indicate it's beyond capabilities. Range is stated as 1990 PPM
[all regardless of accuracy issues or what or how anything is written,
these are the actual facts based on doing and seeing it.]
My problem with all this is that accuracy is based on full scale without
any clear indication of what full scale 'is' even if [especially if] full
scale is not as high as it will read. Nor are there any indications that
there is more than one scale.
If they had based accuracy on the intended range within any scale or
numbers of scales, I'd not even have a question. Who cares what it reads
beyond it's intended range? But when you base accuracy on scale and then
don't say what the scale is, leaving you to assume it's something like the
stated range, but turns out not to be even close and they don't make any
attempt at all to qualify the possible differences in perceptions and go on
to write a specification based on an undefined quantity...I tend to wonder
what the heck they said or if anything was. It smacks of double speak fit
for a politician. [or salesman...same motive of persuasion]
Have you seen the negative political ad where the written words say ...
took $40,000 from sons college fund to buy a new car [implying that she
ripped her son off] and the vocals say ..Took $40,000 out of sons
college fund because 'he' wanted a new car..and slurred the 'he' part just
a little to sound a little like s-he ?
Double speak and misdirection. Manipulation towards a point of view that's
not true but done without actually lying.
The FDA reports on colloidal silver are chock FULL of that sort of thing.
Why?
For instance...not proven safe or effective does not mean proven
unsafe and ineffective, but that's the impression that one gets from the
reading and phrasing of a collection of studies that have the title
Colloidal Silver...when not one single study within the report even
mentions colloidal silver.
One may as well compare a Volvo to rust because they both contain iron,
then say whatever you want to about Volvos because iron is strong or rust
is stable. Is it a true statement that rust can't rust, so it's rust proof?
I've had dependable Datsuns that ran till there was nothing left to
hold the wheels on..in only 10 years. Well, it ran extremely dependably and
still does, but you can't drive it. Toyota fixed the rust problems but
screwed up the motors by replacing a $12 steel part that never fails with a
plastic one that tears up the entire front of the motor and contaminates
the oil which burns up the bearings, rings and cylinder walls when it goes
out. I drive a 1985 Toyota with a 1978 motor in it. They both died from
different diseases so I did some grafting. We won't even get into Ford,
Crysler and GM. {AMC?? Yea, right...no two alike}
Never-the-less, we still use automobiles and they serve us adequately. The
ambiguities can often be worked around to make something that's actually
good in all respects. The manufacturers won't tell you what fits what with
whatever modification or what's weak. [Just don't asked me what year, model
or brand my car is 'cause I'll have to ask you which part?]
My lastest in progress is a Hondumpharly motorcycle. The Triumaha works
good as did the 1968 thru 1990 510610810620720280240z L/z series
Subavolksadasun! ;-)
More doctors recommend this drug over all others combined OK, what
doctor would recommend combining all other drugs? The statement is true,
but does it say what it says? LOL
Maybe, just maybe, we can get doublespeak [our only language] to talk more
true than false for a change and in one instance.
Ken
At 01:31 PM 10/29/02 -5, you wrote:
Ivan and Ken,
You're exploring the issue of accuracy and precision of the Hanna PWT
and TDS quite thoroughly! But let's see if I'm misinterpreting you
right on a couple of points... grin
Specs for my Hanna TDS-1:
Range: 0 to 999 ppm
Resolution: 1 ppm
Accuracy: +/- 10 ppm
Typical EMC Deviation: +/- 1% of Full Scale
If I interpret this right, my TDS meter should read in steps of 1 ppm,
with no decimal point or tenths, etc., which indeed it does.
That means the smallest increment it can *resolve* is 1 ppm.
The display, with 3 digits, will show from 0 to 999.
The accuracy of 10 ppm out of a full scale range of 1000 ppm
CSChit chat RE: CSTDS/PWT meters
Yup The real stuff with flash floods, downed trees and everthang. But, the suns shining today! [only]...then, freeezing rain! O'boy! All this after a mere 4 months of 99+deg muggy dry and cracked lake beds. laundry day! ken At 11:01 AM 10/29/02 -0800, you wrote: My Gawd! Rain? real rain?? I live on the north coast in an area that normally scores 125+inches and so far we've had one light mist; fogged my glasses, had to slow down. Sounds like a case of Coyote Blues: My Prescription is stoke the fire and get book of same title by Chris Moore - works for me! Take care, the roads are slipp'ry; Malcolm At 07:18 AM 10/29/02 -0800, you wrote: I must have cabin fever or light deprivation or something. It's been raining here forever ... after the biggest drought in history. Ken At 09:39 PM 10/27/02 -0800, you wrote: Hey, stop barking! [being snipity] ;-) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTDS/PWT meters [survey?]
OK, on the list Got addresses? Ken At 05:30 PM 10/29/02 -0800, you wrote: Ken: I'd love to see Stephen @ Natural Immunogenics do an analysis and a antibacterial comparison on your best batch... I'd also like to see the characterization done by Frances Key et al w/ silvercolloids.com Both at least have extensive experience working with colloidal silver. Best Regards, Jason -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSovereign Silver Vs the Rest
Oxygen in a low voltage device does indeed form silver oxides, but they stay on the electrode. Not sure what happens to them in submerged electrode HVAC. Is silver oxide a problem anyway? Nitrogen compounds are only a problem in high voltage exposed arc unblanketed generators. All generators produce ionic silver. The only real difference is how large the particles get that form from the ions. There are various methods in the LVDC and HVAC methods that can limit that at least as well as Sovereign Silver. The question is, which results from what did they use and which did they not test? I seriously doubt that there ARE 75 different types of electrocolloidal [Bredig sol] silver. [which is what generators of all stripes attempt to make unless they purposefully add contaminants] Did he mean 'brands'? Did he mean 'types' of 'preparations'? If you direct your attention with purpose, you can get tests and statistics to say anything you want. If you don't define your terms, you don't even need the statistics to say anything you want. Better to ask someone who doesn't make it and doesn't know who did, what it is. Ken At 12:25 PM 10/30/02 -0800, you wrote: Hi I recently talked with the president of Sovereign Silver, and we had a lenghtly conversation concerning his product versas all the rest out there. First I talked with him about Mild silver protein, and was informed, even though i have been having good results using it for a week, that long term use would more than likely lead to a build up in your tissues causing the coloring agyria. 2nd I also addressed the issue, an I am sure many on here will disagree, that their product is 10-40 times better than most home-made collodial silver products that manly use the constant current generators, due to the larger particle size and the fact that AIR is contaminating your process when you make it in a bottle. He informed me that they use water that is made in the lab, under a special high purity process, and then the water is covered with argon gas, to elimate any reactions such as silver oxides that might be produced from being exposed to Co2, O2, N2 etc. He told me they have compared there product to about 75 other types of colloidal silver and NONE of them stood up to theres, based on test results with variuos pathogens, at various levels of ppm. I did suggest however that it doesnt neccesarrily mean that constant current devices are harmful in any way, and that you do get a product produced even though it has silver oxides and and a larger particle size, and is a much less inferior product, one could still use ift for extreme cases such as food posinioing or external applications. I also addressed the issue with the silver-100 product that uses binding agents to the silver ions. There response was that this binding process lowers the energetic energy level of the silver ion, thus making it less effective and that the ph of this complex is acidic and does not match the ph of the human body like their product does. Thus the body must first convert this silver-100 complex into something else which has not been thourghly tested, and at a different ph which is accceptable to the body. My response was that I have had 100% results using silver-100 spray as an external applicant for killing herpes, yeasts, etc.(this is my own testimony with the product). So the jist of it is that there is no other product in the world that has a smaller particle size than .0006 mircons and anything smaller would be impossible due to the size of the silver atom(ion?) itself, not sure which one he stated. The catch of course is you are paying about 30 bucks for a 4 oz bottle. where as if you make it yourself using a constant current genertor such a SG6 you can make a lot more at about the same ppm, BUT WITH ADDED CRAP from the reactions with the silver and the air, and are not getting an effeciantly sized silver ion to be able to penetrate the cell membrane. However other scientist have told me that the silver ion cannot penetrate the cell wall, so I am not sure if this is totally proven to be true or not. Anyone who you like to support these findings or fight it please post! Sincerly Corbin __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS for animals- please help
Dear Reid, Two applications for CS in Veterinary procedureswe found exceptionally effective..were protocols for Parvo and alimentary insults not responsive to a majority of conventional anti-biotic and/or hard chemical substances. Because of their unusually powerful systemic enzyme supporting mechanisms, dogs are many times more resistant to pathogenic agents such as botulinum.than are human beings. However, when they do succumb to such influences, we have found colloidal silver more effective than any other protocol yet investigated. Our experimental results using CS for Parvo insults were..simply OUTSTANDING. Since gaining this knowlege (through repeatable experimentation) in 1996, we have been able to inform many citizens-and thence had it translate into life-saving experiences for at least 50 dogs..to my personal knowledge. We never failed to save a puppy (during our researches) that was not, already in acute, terminal system failure (expressing the final few hours of life)and on two occasions (using IV).even then. Even when the puppies were so moribund as to be unable to stand or ingest food or water we were successful through the use of gatorade (or Ringer's Solution) and CS enemas-to save practically all of them. I do encourage you to implore your veterinary friend to consider this protocol among his evaluation-based researches. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Reid Harvey wrote: CSLovers, I'm hoping that someone can provide the kind of information that would encourage a veterinarian to add CS to his already progressive 'list of alternative approaches for animals.' I know there has been a great deal here about CS for animals/ pets, but only these days am I becoming interested. In a lifetime never much interested in pets, my kids have recently been dying for a dog, so now we have gotten one. The upshot, my wife and I have become animal lovers. I took our dog for a first checkup and after talking to our new vet about CS I can see that he's very interested. I thought he might be because he does acupuncture for animals and I'd never heard of this before. He asked for some printed information, from the silverlist, to help guide him the right way. Can anyone help with specifics? I suppose I'm looking for anecdotal information but if there's something more it would be appreciated. Thanks, Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS for animals- please help
In my personal experience, oral CS has cured a diagnosed fatal case of feline leukemia, Lessened the itchy scabbing from flea allergy to a remarkable degree and has been very good for treating wounded eyes and such. and all with no side effects Ken At 02:09 PM 10/31/02 +0530, you wrote: CSLovers, I'm hoping that someone can provide the kind of information that would encourage a veterinarian to add CS to his already progressive 'list of alternative approaches for animals.' I know there has been a great deal here about CS for animals/ pets, but only these days am I becoming interested. In a lifetime never much interested in pets, my kids have recently been dying for a dog, so now we have gotten one. The upshot, my wife and I have become animal lovers. I took our dog for a first checkup and after talking to our new vet about CS I can see that he's very interested. I thought he might be because he does acupuncture for animals and I'd never heard of this before. He asked for some printed information, from the silverlist, to help guide him the right way. Can anyone help with specifics? I suppose I'm looking for anecdotal information but if there's something more it would be appreciated. Thanks, Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS for animals- please help
Hello Brooks, I have a problem with two cats...stomatitis and gingivitus. It is very difficult to treat because their mouths are sore, including inflammation of the soft tissue. My vet, who is a reasonable person and knows that I use cs and condones it, says that the only treatment is to remove the side teeth and then the canines if that doesn't work (along with antibiotics). I just had their teeth cleaned and delayed the extraction, hoping I could do something with CS and a zapper and R/B or a 6C EM+. Now to the question...I have your information on taking CS with gatorade, but that doesn't stay in the mouth area long enough (when I am giving via a dropper; I have also used cs in the past as their main source of drinking water, to no avail). I am going to go back to giving the cs in their water and I am thinking about mixing the CS (Frank Key's) with xanthum gum, to make it sticky and inject it into the area between the teeth and the gums, so as to increase contact time. I would appreciate you thoughts on this approach and any success treating stomatitis in any way that you might have had. Thanks, your contributions are wonderful, Craig -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSStrokes
Andy, have a look here. Regards Rod Stevenson http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m44847.html http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m50474.html http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m45218.html - Original Message - From: ascottsil...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: mdev...@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:56 AM Subject: CSStrokes Has anyone had success treating a stroke with CS? I tried checking the archives but they don't seem to be working for me. Is something wrong with http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html or is it just my computer? Thanks, Andy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS for animals- please help
Hello Brooks, ...and CS enemas Has this been done with bipeds? It seems like it would be a really effective route. Especially with the MSM/Lactated Ringers. Wildly speculating; it could approach IV blood levels, with a much less invasive stick. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Brooks Bradley [mailto:brooks.brad...@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS for animals- please help Dear Reid, Two applications for CS in Veterinary procedureswe found exceptionally effective..were protocols for Parvo and alimentary insults not responsive to a majority of conventional anti-biotic and/or hard chemical substances. Because of their unusually powerful systemic enzyme supporting mechanisms, dogs are many times more resistant to pathogenic agents such as botulinum.than are human beings. However, when they do succumb to such influences, we have found colloidal silver more effective than any other protocol yet investigated. Our experimental results using CS for Parvo insults were..simply OUTSTANDING. Since gaining this knowlege (through repeatable experimentation) in 1996, we have been able to inform many citizens-and thence had it translate into life-saving experiences for at least 50 dogs..to my personal knowledge. We never failed to save a puppy (during our researches) that was not, already in acute, terminal system failure (expressing the final few hours of life)and on two occasions (using IV).even then. Even when the puppies were so moribund as to be unable to stand or ingest food or water we were successful through the use of gatorade (or Ringer's Solution) and CS enemas-to save practically all of them. I do encourage you to implore your veterinary friend to consider this protocol among his evaluation-based researches. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Reid Harvey wrote: CSLovers, I'm hoping that someone can provide the kind of information that would encourage a veterinarian to add CS to his already progressive 'list of alternative approaches for animals.' I know there has been a great deal here about CS for animals/ pets, but only these days am I becoming interested. In a lifetime never much interested in pets, my kids have recently been dying for a dog, so now we have gotten one. The upshot, my wife and I have become animal lovers. I took our dog for a first checkup and after talking to our new vet about CS I can see that he's very interested. I thought he might be because he does acupuncture for animals and I'd never heard of this before. He asked for some printed information, from the silverlist, to help guide him the right way. Can anyone help with specifics? I suppose I'm looking for anecdotal information but if there's something more it would be appreciated. Thanks, Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTDS/PWT meters
Whatever the verbiage-- my PWT does not function, period. Probably the best solution is to replace it and ashcan the present one. But where do I order a PWT? Bob
Re: CSTDS/PWT meters
Hi Bob, See http://silvergen.com/ppm.htm Trem - Original Message - From: barnb...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 1:19 PM Subject: Re: CSTDS/PWT meters Whatever the verbiage-- my PWT does not function, period. Probably the best solution is to replace it and ashcan the present one. But where do I order a PWT? Bob
CSCS for animals
Someone was asking about CS for animals to help interested vet . There's cscat-d...@yahoogroups.com , might be worth looking around in that group Hanneke --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.406 / Virus Database: 229 - Release Date: 21/10/02 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTDS/PWT meters
Ode Coyote says: snip... The PWT actually has a 4 digit display and pegs out at 999.x uS just before it shows a 1 in the far left saying it can't read that high or any higher. ...snip Ken: You actually have a Hanna PWT with a 4 digit display? The attached PWT.JPG from the Hanna website shows only 3 digits. Can't see the decimal point, but it sure looks like only 3 digits. Do you mean that when the uS reading gets above 99.9 another digit shows up on the left and the meter starts reading 100.0 or more, therefore becomes 4 digits? Jimmy Joe _ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTDS/PWT meters
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Re: CSmsm-msm.com????
Well, MSM is always available at feed stores like Agway. They give it to horses for arthritis. My last order from the 'net was www.beyond-a-century.com with reasonable prices. I don't beieve Ester-C is worth a premium over ascorbic acid as that's what I use. Chuck Predestination was doomed from the start. On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:32:35 -0600, Russ Rosser russros...@rovin.net wrote: ...I learned about this site from this list, and ordered MSM inexpensive Ester-C in the past, but it now seems defunct. Any more suggestions for great deals on these related items? Tx. --Russ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTDS/PWT meters
Hi Jimmy Joe, The PWT does go higher than 2 places plus the decimal. It reads up 199.9. See my post to Ken this morning. Trem - Original Message - From: J J mennj...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: RE: CSTDS/PWT meters Ode Coyote says: snip... The PWT actually has a 4 digit display and pegs out at 999.x uS just before it shows a 1 in the far left saying it can't read that high or any higher. ...snip Ken: You actually have a Hanna PWT with a 4 digit display? The attached PWT.JPG from the Hanna website shows only 3 digits. Can't see the decimal point, but it sure looks like only 3 digits. Do you mean that when the uS reading gets above 99.9 another digit shows up on the left and the meter starts reading 100.0 or more, therefore becomes 4 digits? Jimmy Joe _ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLemons AIDS Contraception
I wonder if you take large quantities of it internally (or even IV if possibile) if this could kill the HIV infection. - Original Message - From: Douglas Haack gvagraph...@adelphia.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:53 AM Subject: CSLemons AIDS Contraception Silver Listers -- I couldn't resist this one from the old country I do realize it's off topic, please be lenient with me! This is ABC Australia's public radio and TV network -- still reasonably independant!! http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s698148.htm Go suck a lemon now has whole new meaning . . . Question: Have any of you male (or female) listers with a decent microscope done the CS and sperm test?? Chuck should be able to contribute to this one!! Thursday, October 10, 2002. Lemon could halt the spread of AIDS: scientists Australian scientists believe they have rediscovered an effective use for lemon juice - as a contraceptive and also a killer of the AIDS virus. Reproductive physiologist Roger Short, from the University of Melbourne's obstetrics department, said a few drops of lemon juice can be a cheap, easy-to-use solution to protect women from both HIV and pregnancy. The juice should be squeezed onto a piece of sponge or cotton wool and placed into the vagina before sex, he told Jonica Newby from ABC Television's Catalyst program. The program will be aired on the ABC tonight at 8.00pm AEST. We can show in the lab that lemon juice is very effective in immobilising human sperm and also very effective in killing HIV, Professor Short told Catalyst reporter Jonica Newby. He said lime juice, which has similar acid levels, can also be used, with both fruits often freely available in poor countries where contraception is hard to come by. Professor Short said laboratory tests found not only does lemon juice kill sperm, it also kills the AIDS virus itself. Professor Short had the idea after talking to some elderly women about forgotten contraceptives, which include half a lemon used like a diaphragm. When the lecture was over, 10 or 15 of these women came up to me, one by hand, put their hand on my shoulder and said, 'my dear, I used half a lemon, it was all right for me, Professor Short said. I thought, my golly! Lemon juice. That would kill HIV. Why haven't I looked? So I dashed back to Melbourne and said to my PhD students, 'Look, drop everything. This could be crazy, but it could be incredibly exciting', Professor Short said. He said using lemon juice as a contraceptive was not a new idea but it had fallen by the wayside over the years. The ancient douche-style contraceptive was encouraged by such luminaries as Casanova, renowned for his sexual prowess. This has been used for hundreds of years and we've just forgotten about it, said Professor Short, who is planning to conduct some field trials in Thailand. About 300 years ago, Mediterranean women used lemon juice as their main method of contraception. Lab tests encouraging Preliminary lab results so far look encouraging. Well, this is the acid test. Here's some fresh human sperm and some fresh lemon juice, and we're going to look at it under the microscope, he said. Seconds after adding the lemon juice, it is all over for the sperm. Have a look at that. It's a graveyard. In the test tube at least, lemon juice also appears to kill HIV. And that's enough to impress Dr Rob Moodie, head of Vic Health and a former director of UN AIDS in Africa. If it's true, it's an amazing story because we've been looking for the last 15 years for a viricide that's safe, that's easy to use, that can be controlled by women without necessarily their partners knowing, and this could be it, Dr Moodie said. But not everyone is so enthusiastic. Dr John Raff is the chief executive of Starpharma, which is working on its own vaginal AIDS preventive. He is worried about the safety of putting neat lemon juice inside the vagina. It's an acid and certainly if you clean your fingernails with lemon, you'll you soon see how strong an acid it is, and the tissues in the body, there's certainly the potential for irritation. It's just a very severe approach, Dr Raff said. But Roger Short is confident history is on his side. Women wouldn't have used lemons, he says, if they were harmful. We have a history of prior use of this compound, and our compound if free to anyone in a developing country who chooses to grow it. Whatever compounds they come up with will be tied up in patents which will be owned by Western pharmaceutical companies, Dr Short said. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS for animals- please help
Hi Reid, for what it's worth my 14 year old Dachshund started falling all over the place a few weeks ago. My first thought was that he'd suffered a stroke but on closer inspection I noticed inside one of his ears was rather red suggesting an infection. I immediately put a few drops of colloidal silver in the affected ear. He sat next to me for two hours and when put on the floor trotted away with no sign of a problem. I continued with the drops for a couple of days just in case any infection lingered and he's been in excellent health ever since. Cheers, Roger on 31/10/2002 9:39 PM, Reid Harvey at pott...@wlink.com.np wrote: CSLovers, I'm hoping that someone can provide the kind of information that would encourage a veterinarian to add CS to his already progressive 'list of alternative approaches for animals.' I know there has been a great deal here about CS for animals/ pets, but only these days am I becoming interested. In a lifetime never much interested in pets, my kids have recently been dying for a dog, so now we have gotten one. The upshot, my wife and I have become animal lovers. I took our dog for a first checkup and after talking to our new vet about CS I can see that he's very interested. I thought he might be because he does acupuncture for animals and I'd never heard of this before. He asked for some printed information, from the silverlist, to help guide him the right way. Can anyone help with specifics? I suppose I'm looking for anecdotal information but if there's something more it would be appreciated. Thanks, Reid
Re: CSTDS/PWT meters
Ya know, I just may have made an error. The Dist 1 does something like that and I found it curious but it didn't click. I'll have to recheck. B'golly you be correct 199.9 it is. I stand redfaced before all and my horse considerably lowered. Perceptions are indeed a funny thang. Still don't mind doing some looking into how they do in the field on CS though. I'd actually be glad if they were right on. If I get two labs tests that are nearly the same, I'd be glad for that too. A least that would put the cow pie somewere where 'I' can toss it or toast it 'stead of just standing under the cow. Ken At 10:21 AM 10/31/02 -0800, you wrote: Hi Ken, I've been too busy to follow the PWT accuracy thread with anything more than casual interest. However, the Hanna technicians assure me the stated range is what their accuracy is based on. Today I took 3 PWT meters and put them into distilled water. I then began to add tap water very slowly and watched the readings rise over 99.9 without going off scale. However when the reading got to 199.9 it then jumped to 1--.- So, if for sake of argument the accuracy is 2% of full scale, then the most they would be off is 4 uS. But I think the factory is correct in saying the accuracy is set by the range they specify rather than the total reading the meter is capable of indicating. I believe it was Ivan who said they are just using the most linear portion of the scale to use and the over-reading capability is not to be considered at the same accuracy. Unless your meter is different than the three I tried, how can you get a reading of 999.0 before it goes off scale? Perhaps your meter is not working properly. Or should I try a few more meters to see if they all act the same? I really don't see any problem since we're not trying to measure anything near the upper limits. We're talking about the range of 5-20 uS in most cases and an occasional foray into the 30-40 uS area. I think they work just fine. And the ones I use are always in agreement. I always use 3 meters when calibrating our SG7's to make sure we get them properly adjusted. This seems like beating a dead horse to me. Trem - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: RE: CSTDS/PWT meters I'm willing, out of curiosity, to 'determine some idea' of how far off reality is from various stated views of it. [something within a range in an infinite scale] I've got an odd feeling that no one can say anything that's true about anything. [Nothing that is, except, perhaps, that statement.] So, maybe an average standard will do? [along with an illustration that that's all we ever had anyway?] The PWT actually has a 4 digit display and pegs out at 999.x uS just before it shows a 1 in the far left saying it can't read that high or any higher. The DIST 1 [much similar to the TDS1 I presume] will read up to 1999 PPM before the last 3 places vanish leaving a 1 in the far left place to indicate it's beyond capabilities. Range is stated as 1990 PPM [all regardless of accuracy issues or what or how anything is written, these are the actual facts based on doing and seeing it.] My problem with all this is that accuracy is based on full scale without any clear indication of what full scale 'is' even if [especially if] full scale is not as high as it will read. Nor are there any indications that there is more than one scale. If they had based accuracy on the intended range within any scale or numbers of scales, I'd not even have a question. Who cares what it reads beyond it's intended range? But when you base accuracy on scale and then don't say what the scale is, leaving you to assume it's something like the stated range, but turns out not to be even close and they don't make any attempt at all to qualify the possible differences in perceptions and go on to write a specification based on an undefined quantity...I tend to wonder what the heck they said or if anything was. It smacks of double speak fit for a politician. [or salesman...same motive of persuasion] Have you seen the negative political ad where the written words say ... took $40,000 from sons college fund to buy a new car [implying that she ripped her son off] and the vocals say ..Took $40,000 out of sons college fund because 'he' wanted a new car..and slurred the 'he' part just a little to sound a little like s-he ? Double speak and misdirection. Manipulation towards a point of view that's not true but done without actually lying. The FDA reports on colloidal silver are chock FULL of that sort of thing. Why? For instance...not proven safe or effective does not mean proven unsafe and ineffective, but that's the impression that one gets from the reading and phrasing of a collection of studies that have the title Colloidal Silver...when not one single study within the report even
Re: CSCS for animals- please help
Hello James, We have not used this protocol on humans..however, an associated group of researchers has. They reported to obtain results varying from useful to outstanding--and especially so for acute afflictions. I wish I had more useful information for you. Best Regards, Brooks. James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Hello Brooks, ...and CS enemas Has this been done with bipeds? It seems like it would be a really effective route. Especially with the MSM/Lactated Ringers. Wildly speculating; it could approach IV blood levels, with a much less invasive stick. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Brooks Bradley [mailto:brooks.brad...@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS for animals- please help Dear Reid, Two applications for CS in Veterinary procedureswe found exceptionally effective..were protocols for Parvo and alimentary insults not responsive to a majority of conventional anti-biotic and/or hard chemical substances. Because of their unusually powerful systemic enzyme supporting mechanisms, dogs are many times more resistant to pathogenic agents such as botulinum.than are human beings. However, when they do succumb to such influences, we have found colloidal silver more effective than any other protocol yet investigated. Our experimental results using CS for Parvo insults were..simply OUTSTANDING. Since gaining this knowlege (through repeatable experimentation) in 1996, we have been able to inform many citizens-and thence had it translate into life-saving experiences for at least 50 dogs..to my personal knowledge. We never failed to save a puppy (during our researches) that was not, already in acute, terminal system failure (expressing the final few hours of life)and on two occasions (using IV).even then. Even when the puppies were so moribund as to be unable to stand or ingest food or water we were successful through the use of gatorade (or Ringer's Solution) and CS enemas-to save practically all of them. I do encourage you to implore your veterinary friend to consider this protocol among his evaluation-based researches. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Reid Harvey wrote: CSLovers, I'm hoping that someone can provide the kind of information that would encourage a veterinarian to add CS to his already progressive 'list of alternative approaches for animals.' I know there has been a great deal here about CS for animals/ pets, but only these days am I becoming interested. In a lifetime never much interested in pets, my kids have recently been dying for a dog, so now we have gotten one. The upshot, my wife and I have become animal lovers. I took our dog for a first checkup and after talking to our new vet about CS I can see that he's very interested. I thought he might be because he does acupuncture for animals and I'd never heard of this before. He asked for some printed information, from the silverlist, to help guide him the right way. Can anyone help with specifics? I suppose I'm looking for anecdotal information but if there's something more it would be appreciated. Thanks, Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTDS/PWT meters
That is normally called 3 1/2 digits, not 4. Marshall Trem wrote: Hi Jimmy Joe, The PWT does go higher than 2 places plus the decimal. It reads up 199.9. See my post to Ken this morning. Trem - Original Message - From: J J mennj...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: RE: CSTDS/PWT meters Ode Coyote says: snip... The PWT actually has a 4 digit display and pegs out at 999.x uS just before it shows a 1 in the far left saying it can't read that high or any higher. ...snip Ken: You actually have a Hanna PWT with a 4 digit display? The attached PWT.JPG from the Hanna website shows only 3 digits. Can't see the decimal point, but it sure looks like only 3 digits. Do you mean that when the uS reading gets above 99.9 another digit shows up on the left and the meter starts reading 100.0 or more, therefore becomes 4 digits? Jimmy Joe _ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHas anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
My mother tried for a short term and did not notice any improvement. However I do think it might be good as a preventative, even if not a cure. Marshall Steve Reniger wrote: Hello! Has anyone had success with CS and Lupus? Thanks!Steve Reniger
Re: CSGERDS
I take CS + Gatorade + MSM every day as I have the ulcerated esophagus (Barretts disease.) This helps but does not cure it. July 02 Prevention magazine listed a new radio wave treatment called the Stretta procedure. A probe is inserted in the esophagus to the sphincter valve and radio waves tighten the surrounding muscles. Tighter muscles stop acid backlash. Timothy Nostrant, MD at the U. of Michigan Medical school claims 80% of Stretta patients were free of heartburn after 1 year, 60% were GERD free after 2 years. Why can't I use my magnetic pulser to do the same thing? Does anyone know the location of the sphincter valve so I can position the mag. pulser next to it? How about using a variable frequency zapper with plates next to the sphincter valve? The valve location is critical to trying either method. Brickey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSlooing for Susan
I am trying to reach Susan Garrett. You had a message awhile ago, and I'd love to talk off line. Please contact me: nancymi...@prodigy.net
CSPROMISING OXYGEN-ENHANCEMENT PROTOCOL
As our researches relating to this protocol incorporated (as one of the modalities) the use of the basic system employed to drive the Air Brush system we originally used in delivering CS for pulmonary challenges..I hope it can be legitimately submitted to this, rather than the Off-Topic list. Essentially, this is research originally inspired by William Campbell Douglass's work and more recently by Dr. E. W. Mcdonagh. One of our staff has had a lingering interest in Exercise With Oxygen Therapy (EWOT) for the past several years. Recently he conducted some limited, but promising, anecdotal research evaluating the prospects of this type protocol improving the restoration of saging arterial oxygen pressure.and hence improved oxygen extraction in the capillaries. The oxygen release pressure for an average 30 yr. old person is around 55 mm and for a typical 70 year old..about 35 mm. This decrease has an enormous effect upon the oxygen TRANSFER efficiency into the body's CELLS. For this is one of the salient indicators of the body's ability to function properly. Without excessive verbiage, I will attempt to summarize our principal areas of interest.and the general result of these investigations. Our principal interest lay in identifying ancillary protocols offering promise in addressing slow/non-healing pressure ulcers and surface wounds..especially in diabetics and the elderly. We had enjoyed some rather marked success with hyperbaric-type 02 therapy, combined with topical CS X Dmso, etc., but were left frustrated in some cases because one leg seemed to be missing from the milking-stool. To wit: The existing damage to the capillary system continued to frustrate most attempts to address the in vivo side of the equation. Quite by serendipity, it occurred to our researcher that employing a similar technique as some of the high-aerobic, state-of-the-art physical development specialists were employing...might yield desireable results-for our dilema. The theory being that EXERCISE simultaneously performed with the intake of oxygen..might improve the health and/or facilitate a recovery of the damaged capillary transfer function so prevalent among our geriatric volunteers Hoping for a measureable improvement in getting more oxygen through to the venous side using such a technique..we introduced several variations of, essentially, the same program. While the most easily monitoredand administered was one involving high-end components (with its exorbitant costs), we were nearly as successful through using a simple variation (modification) of the little artist's air brush 02 supply system plus either a Nose-type oxygen mask or a non-rebreathing, full-face type. Briefly, the system consisted of the 02 bottle, together with the two-stage welding regulators, plus the Oxygen mask (either type) and storage balloon set at 8 to 10 psi. Optionally, we employed a hospital-type flow-limiting regulator (at 4 to 10 liters per minute depending on the exercise level)which did make things easier..especially for initial setup parameters. We did not employ any synergistic components such as vitamin/nutrient support or oxygen uptake accelerators..both of which would, probably have improve our results. Our protocol called for one hour daily or 30 minutes twice daily, of mild-level exercise (equivalent to rapid walking)--- plus 5 minutes of moderate aerobic exercise for each 30 minutes total, added at the end, while breathing 100 % pure 02. Do remember, breathing the oxygen MUST occur simultaneously with the exercise regimen. Recovery manifested among almost all volunteers, within 30 days..these individuals enjoying complete tissue granulation and attendant healing episodes..where before, NO protocol introduced had proved totally successful (sometimes for periods of two years). A majority of our results were VERY encouraging. The addition of this protocol effected powerful improvements among some of the most intransigent cases of non-healing stress/pressure ulcersand especially so among the diabetic population. I apologize for the incompleteness of this post, but the hour is late and I merely wanted to introduce you to the possible consideration of this experimental protocol into your own researches. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHas anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
Depending on the cause of the Lupus. Lupus itself is not a single disease. It's not a disease that has one cause. Some of the things that can cause Lupus are: - Iron Overload. - Infections like HIV and Lyme Disease. - Reactions to drugs. - Genetic metabolic disorder. - Reaction to a chemical, like DDT or a pesticide. - Vaccine reaction. Even a food allergy to bread can cause Lupus like symptoms. Diagnoses usually happens after they find a butterfly rash and elevated ANA, and SED rate. Now, with CS, to be honest. It won't work for all cases for Lupus for a cure. Like If you have a bread allergy, or a reaction to a drug. You can take CS till the cows come home, and it won't do you much good as far as a cure. It may help with opportunistic infections, since people that have Lupus, usually have lowered immune systems. Now, most cases of Lupus are not caused by genetics. Most cases of Lupus are caused by environmental factors. And most of the environmental factors that I have found that can cause Lupus, are mostly due to infections like Lyme, HIV, Hep C, microplasma and stealth viruses. If that case of Lupus, is cause by a pathogen, then CS should be able to kill off the invador is administered properly. I have heard of HIV cases being put into remission from IV CS. So yes, depending on the cause, a percentage of Lupus victoms can be cured. - Original Message - From: Steve Reniger To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:48 AM Subject: CSHas anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? Hello! Has anyone had success with CS and Lupus? Thanks! Steve Reniger
CSHas anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
Hello! Has anyone had success with CS and Lupus? Thanks! Steve Reniger
