Re: CSUh Oh...Blue Fingernails
Not trying to get far afield, but does one using Water Oz also stand a great greater chance of Argyria when exposed to ultraviolet light or tanning salon light? - Original Message - From: Malcolm Stebbins s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 1:26 AM Subject: Re: CSUh Oh...Blue Fingernails Water Oz Is a form of silver, the msp or mild silver protein sort - supposedly, I think. . . . . . Some messages on the list have suggested that it really contains silver salts such as the nitrate. It has been implicated by some in several reports of Argyria. One aspect of the Argyria thing is that the silver particles are 'developed' by strong sunshine, turning black just like in a photo. At 01:07 AM 11/3/02 -0600, you wrote: As much as I try to miss nothing on the silver list and did read some of Water Ox and Argyria, could you explain how this occurs. Is it the Water Oz alone or used in conjunction with CS? With regard to the inquiry about Paul's possible to excessive exposure to sun? How does this figure in? Not trying to nit pick, just trying to sort out a common denominatorif possible. Thanks, Barbara - Original Message - From: Jannette McKoy-Abel je...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:07 PM Subject: Re: CSUh Oh...Blue Fingernails I have also heard that Water-Oz Silver has produced Argyria symptoms in a few of it's users. As a matter of fact, what I heard was that almost all recent argyria cases from silver supplementation were connected to Water-Oz. Colloidal IS the way to go for safety. Paul, did you recently have any excessive sun exposure? If you did, that may account for the fact that the blueness was so suddenly apparent. Go easy on the cs for a while and when you restart, keep it below 1oz for a while. Even the best things can do harm in excess. As a fellow MSer, I empathize with your impatience to be well. Take care of yourself. Blessings, Jannette If I'm not mistaken, someone who was once an active member of this list believes she developed argyria from the Water Oz product. Someone here may recall the details on this. Regards, Catherine --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 11/1/2002 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS And Emphysema
I once read on a Dr. Clark list that a case of lung emphysema has been healed (the holes in the lung refilled with healthy tissue), but I don't recall what was the protocol used. In the doctor's book, emphysema is irreversible...?!? Does anybody here have any experience with lung emphysema and CS? Heidrun Beer Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training http://www.sgmt.at -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUh Oh...Blue Fingernails/reply
On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:05:06 -0800 (PST), Paul Ladendorf wrote in 20021102160506.26133.qm...@web12904.mail.yahoo.com: You wanted to turn blue taking that amount or either you want to promote fear on this site. No. I want to get well and I want to share my experience. As I said, my fingernails may have been blue for years. I don't know, just stating a fact. I have had MS-like symptoms for 5 years. Do you have a chronic degerative disease that has made you a little desperate? I hope you are not drinking soft drinks containing aspartame (Nutra Sweet)? If you do, I recommend to do a Google search on aspartame and see what it has done for other people. Heidrun Beer Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training http://www.sgmt.at -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScream for dry skin/ soap
In a message dated 11/02/2002 8:41:15 PM Central Standard Time, pcar...@wyoming.com writes: I do put vit E in my cream and also a few drops of essential oils, as well. I use a clean wooden spatula (different one each time) to scoop out just what I need, and so the cream never stays out of the fridge but a moment. I haven't heard of the preservatives you mention. Where can I find more info about them? paula I have suffered with dry skin for yrs. 2 yrs ago I deveolped a large nodule on my thyroid, which was diagnosed as Hashimoto's Disease...thus one of the reasons for my extreme dryness. I ordered a product over the internet called Miracle ll soap. I bathe in the one with moisterizer and put the gel and lotion om my face. I'm 53 so this has done wonders for my skin. I have a foot that was rough and cracked for many yrs. In the winter the heel would crack open and bleed. No matter what I took internally or put on it, it was always a problem. Since using this stuff for 1 month, it's almost completely cleared up. I also shampoo with it. It is a natural productone of the main reasons I bought it because I have suffered in the past with Multiple Chemical Sensitivity. Edith
Re: CSUh Oh...Blue Fingernails
I believe there are at least two causes. First it can indicate a circulatory problem, lack of oxygen and so forth. The same is also true for your lips. The second would be if there are silver deposits in that area. From my own experience, it appears that the deposits are in the fingernail itself, since the blue area has moved from the moon area out toward the tip as my fingernail grows. This may also account for those who have said that CS has helped reduce their grey hair, since hair and fingernails are virtually identical materials. Marshall Alfred Davis wrote: I have also noticed a bluish/purple tint on my fingernail moons. In my case they have comeand gone over the years. They were there before I ever heard of CS, but they are currentlynot blue, even though I drink CS every day and have done so for about a year now. I don'tknow what they indicate (if anything). So I just write it off as another non-essential mystery.I can't comment about your CS generator since I don't know anything about it, but I use the Silvergen SG-6 and am very happy with it. Be at Peace Al - Original Message - From: Paul Ladendorf To: Silver List Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: CSUh Oh...Blue Fingernails Ok, about 2 years ago I started using about 1/2 to 1 oz/day of a 100 ppm colloidal silver product from Water Oz and about 2 mos ago I started using 16-32 oz of about 12-15 ppm according to the PWT of my own brew using a generator made by Sota Instruments with constant current adapter and then a Coyote Zenterprises generator also with constant current and thermal stirring (When I was using 32 oz made by the Sota generator I assumed that it was 5 ppm but according to the PWT it was more like 15 ppm) . Never noticed anything until now but the moons on my fingernails definitely have a blue-purple tint. Who knows they may have been blue for quite a while and maybe I just never noticed it until Marshall mentioned it. Guess I should stop for a little while and see what happens. I'll keep you posted. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
Re: CSHas anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
I agree that Po210 would cause cancer. I would like to see more research referenced that links the Po210 to calcium phosphate fertilizer. It is known that radon is attracted to cigarette smoke, so a person in a smoke filled room will end up getting exposed to about 100 times as much radon as if they were in a room with clean air. This could easily explain the increase in smokers level of Po210 (Po210 is the granddaughter of Radon 210). But many foods and such contain fairly large amounts of radioactivity. As a nuclear instrumentation engineer, we used some of them as radioactive sources for testing. For instance a banana or avocado contains enough K40 (potassium 40) to easily expose an X-ray negative if you leave one sitting of the plate for a while. The mantles for gas lanterns are extremely radioactive, the white power they are doped with is Thorium 232. Some yellow plates have uranium oxide as the yellow dye, and are so hot you can see things glow around them sometimes from the radiation. Marshall jrowl...@nctimes.net wrote: f.capezzuto writes: My sister got a Lupus like disease from taking a stop smoking drug. She got worse till...she stopped taking it...two weeks to fully recover... Now she is back to smoking, and healthy. ;) Engaging Atlantis Rising Magazine (11-12/02 Issue #36; article not yet online) explaining why cigarette smoke is radioactive, and possibly the patches and gums (depending on their ingredient sources): http://www.atlantisrising.com/ Recommendation/conclusion for smokers is to quit, or, ensure your tobacco is grown with appropriate fertilizers. (Pot farmers take note.) The fertilizers used on the tobacco fields are the culprit (same article reference): Lives could be saved by simply changing fertilizers, they say... Almost 95% of the Lung Cancer caused by Cigarettes are allegedly the result of using calcium phosphate fertilizer to grow the Tobacco... http://www.acsa.net/HealthAlert/lungcancer.html jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS gatorade
That email went out by accident. I got to the point where I was going to try and show how much energy would get absorbed by each potassium atom formed from Calcium and Oxygen, and found the result to be positive, that is heat produced, not absorbed. So I was woking on trying to figure that out and somehow the incomplete message got sent. Anyway, I was not able to figure it out, so I asked my oversoul before I went to sleep that night and had the answer in the morning. I believe what is happening is that like almost all other nutrients in the body, the body recycles them. So the actual transmutation is NOT calcium to potassium absorbs heat, but instead the following full cycle: calcium + oxygen = postassium + 19 Mev of energy (heat, or maybe a neutrino, still looking at that possibility) potassium = oxygen + calcium -19 Mev of energy The first reaction takes place in the skin, and maybe lungs and nasal passages. Any heat produced increases the skin temperature to above wet bulb temperature of the air, so heat flow is from the person to the air. The second reaction takes place in the body's core, which must be kept cool, and absorbs energy from the core, cooling it down. This could explain how when workers in the Saraha are checked their core temperature is maintained at a temperature below the wet bulb temperature of the air, and yet the skin is much higher than the core temperature, something that is impossible by standard physics. The iguanas tend to support this. Iguanas cannot sweat, so they must lose heat via their nasal passages being wet. The tests that found that they had large amounts of potassium were from the nasal fluids, where the expected calcium to potassium exothermic transmutation takes place. According to research the substance that mediates this transmutation is aldosterone. In Addison's disease it is impossible to control the potassium level. It appears that this disease is caused by this mechanism going out of control. Even if a person who has this disease if fed a postassium free diet, the blood will still accumulate toxic concentrations of potassium. Not realizing what was happening, doctors have tried giving patients sodium chloride to attempt to balance the electroytes in the blood. In every case this resulted in a rapid increase in postassium, and death of the patient. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: Could this be something like 'cold fusion' working in reverse to cool rather than to heat? Ken At 12:37 PM 11/1/02 -0500, you wrote: Marshall Dudley wrote: There is lots of data to support this, and data is suppose to trump theory, which says it is impossible, but the body under these conditions appears to transmute sodium to potassium. Actually this is not quite right. The transmutation is sodium plus oxygen produces potassium. Na 23 has a delta of -9531.4 keV O 16 has a delta of -4737.03 K 39 has a delta of -33806.6 Thus Sodium 23 plus Oxygen 16 has a nuclear binding energy of 14268.43 Potassium has a nuclear binding energy of 33806.6 The difference is 19538.17 keV or about 20 Mev. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHealthy food, the cure for social ills?
---BeginMessage--- At 09:50 AM 11/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: -- Rense.com -- Miracle At A Wisconsin High School StratiaWire.com 11-1-2 APPLETON, Wisconsin -- A revolution has occurred. It's taken place in the Central Alternative High School. The kids now behave. The hallways aren't frantic. Even the teachers are happy. The school used to be out of control. Kids packed weapons. Discipline problems swamped the principal's office. But not since 1997. What happened? Did they line every inch of space with cops? Did they spray valium gas in the classrooms? Did they install metal detectors in the bathrooms? Did they build holding cells in the gym? Afraid not. In 1997, a private group called Natural Ovens began installing a healthy lunch program. Huh? Fast-food burgers, fries, and burritos gave way to fresh salads, meats prepared with old-fashioned recipes, and whole grain bread. Fresh fruits were added to the menu. Good drinking water arrived. Vending machines were removed. As reported in a newsletter called Pure Facts, Grades are up, truancy is no longer a problem, arguments are rare, and teachers are able to spend their time teaching. Principal LuAnn Coenen, who files annual reports with the state of Wisconsin, has turned in some staggering figures since 1997. Drop-outs? Students expelled? Students discovered to be using drugs? Carrying weapons? Committing suicide? Every category has come up ZERO. Every year. Mary Bruyette, a teacher, states, I don't have to deal with daily discipline issuesI don't have disruptions in class or the difficulties with student behavior I experienced before we started the food program. One student asserted, Now that I can concentrate I think it's easier to get along with people What a concept---eating healthier food increases concentration. Principal Coenen sums it up: I can't buy the argument that it's too costly for schools to provide good nutrition for their students. I found that one cost will reduce another. I don't have the vandalism. I don't have the litter. I don't have the need for high security. At a nearby middle school, the new food program is catching on. A teacher there, Dennis Abram, reports, I've taught here almost 30 years. I see the kids this year as calmer, easier to talk to. They just seem more rational. I had thought about retiring this year and basically I've decided to teach another year---I'm having too much fun! Pure Facts, the newsletter that ran this story, is published by a non-profit organization called The Feingold Association, which has existed since 1976. Part of its mission is to generate public awareness of the potential role of foods and synthetic additives in behavior, learning and health problems. The [Feingold] program is based on a diet eliminating synthetic colors, synthetic flavors, and the preservatives BHA, BHT, and TBHQ. Thirty years ago there was a Dr. Feingold. His breakthrough work proved the connection between these negative factors in food and the lives of children. Hailed as a revolutionary advance, Feingold's findings were soon trashed by the medical cartel, since those findings threatened the drugs-for-everything, disease-model concept of modern healthcare. But Feingold's followers have kept his work alive. If what happened in Appleton, Wisconsin, takes hold in many other communities across America, perhaps the ravenous corporations who invade school space with their vending machines and junk food will be tossed out on their behinds. It could happen. And perhaps ADHD will become a dinosaur. A non-disease that was once attributed to errant brain chemistry. And perhaps Ritalin will be seen as just another toxic chemical that was added to the bodies of kids in a crazed attempt to put a lid on behavior that, in part, was the result of a subversion of the food supply. For those readers who ask me about solutions to the problems we face---here is a real solution. Help these groups. Get involved. Step into the fray. Stand up and be counted. The drug companies aren't going to do it. They're busy estimating the size of their potential markets. They're building their chemical pipelines into the minds and bodies of the young. Every great revolution starts with a foothold. Sounds like Natural Ovens and The Feingold Association have made strong cuts into the big rock of ignorance and greed. First published 10-14-2 http://www.stratiawire.com/article.asp?id=655http://www.stratiawire.com/article.asp?id=655 8801b3.jpg http://www.rense.com/MainPage http://www.rense.com http://www.thehostpros.com/This Site Served by TheHostPros http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309lang=9Emailing miracle.gif IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309lang=9Click Here inline: 8801b3.jpginline: Emailing miracle.gif---End Message---
Re: CSUh Oh...Blue Fingernails
I believe that is the case, but could be wrong. Marshall Barbara Liles wrote: Not trying to get far afield, but does one using Water Oz also stand a great greater chance of Argyria when exposed to ultraviolet light or tanning salon light? - Original Message - From: Malcolm Stebbins s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 1:26 AM Subject: Re: CSUh Oh...Blue Fingernails Water Oz Is a form of silver, the msp or mild silver protein sort - supposedly, I think. . . . . . Some messages on the list have suggested that it really contains silver salts such as the nitrate. It has been implicated by some in several reports of Argyria. One aspect of the Argyria thing is that the silver particles are 'developed' by strong sunshine, turning black just like in a photo. At 01:07 AM 11/3/02 -0600, you wrote: As much as I try to miss nothing on the silver list and did read some of Water Ox and Argyria, could you explain how this occurs. Is it the Water Oz alone or used in conjunction with CS? With regard to the inquiry about Paul's possible to excessive exposure to sun? How does this figure in? Not trying to nit pick, just trying to sort out a common denominatorif possible. Thanks, Barbara - Original Message - From: Jannette McKoy-Abel je...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:07 PM Subject: Re: CSUh Oh...Blue Fingernails I have also heard that Water-Oz Silver has produced Argyria symptoms in a few of it's users. As a matter of fact, what I heard was that almost all recent argyria cases from silver supplementation were connected to Water-Oz. Colloidal IS the way to go for safety. Paul, did you recently have any excessive sun exposure? If you did, that may account for the fact that the blueness was so suddenly apparent. Go easy on the cs for a while and when you restart, keep it below 1oz for a while. Even the best things can do harm in excess. As a fellow MSer, I empathize with your impatience to be well. Take care of yourself. Blessings, Jannette If I'm not mistaken, someone who was once an active member of this list believes she developed argyria from the Water Oz product. Someone here may recall the details on this. Regards, Catherine --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 11/1/2002 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSpreservatives
I have read that Grapefruit Seed Extract is a very good preservative for soap. It might be good for the oils too, but I'm not sure. Since oils are used in soaps ??? pj __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSReality lives !!
From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com Subject: RE: CSReality lives !! Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:10:10 -0800 Involving time is the problem *** Well if that was intended as refutation of: Every thing is either A or nonA at any given time. , then you must have ignored the qualifier - ...at any given time I consider the statement in discussion, not only the truth that Ken was wondering about. but an absolute also. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSReality lives !!
From: Malcolm Stebbins s...@asis.com Subject: RE: CSReality lives !! Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:13:38 -0800 Hi; 'Not only'. On the quantum level, time is reversible; instantaneous does not depend on particulate time, such as the Bhuddist 'Kalapa' the smallest unit of time deemed possible, and avoiding the sillophophical stuff that just begs to be thrashed on the question of time, . . . . Existence and becoming (and un-becoming) may or may not be 'binary'. In Mathematics the open interval, f'rinstance, is a little jolt; the interval [1 - 2), open at the upper end, never reaches two; there's always an infinitude of points between however-close-you-are to two, and two itself. This is similar to the race between Achilles and the Tortoise in one sense, but avoids the issue of time. Also, If something is not complete how can it exist? On the other hand, how can it not exist, if you can tell it is not complete? And for a more binary disclaimer, It's only fair I confess; I always lie: always! Phast Phred (aka: A) *** Say WHAT? Jack
CSUdderly Scandalous Silver Protein
The World Dairy Expo will use ultrasound to reveal prohibited injections that improve the appearance of cows' udders (40 of the 100 points) at this week's competition...injections of a liquid silver protein into areas where udders attach to make them look smooth and less wrinkled... there isn't a known safe level for silver in milk, and it's unknown whether injecting it into udder attachments could contaminate milk or for how long.. http://www.gazetteextra.com/dairyexpo093002.asp Try udder silver solution in your favorite search engine... jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSpreservatives
I find that soap doesn't need a perservative. I normally use oils with very long shelf life. I've never had a bar of soap go rancid on me. It has something to do with the lye process. Once you have made your own soap, there is no going back to that detergent stuff found in the supermarket. In my opinion, putting a perservative in soap is a waste of money, however Grapefruit Seed Extract is also a good perservative for lotions. Roxanne -Original Message- From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 4:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSpreservatives I have read that Grapefruit Seed Extract is a very good preservative for soap. It might be good for the oils too, but I'm not sure. Since oils are used in soaps ??? pj __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUh Oh...Blue Fingernails
Uh-oh, I dunno. Generally speaking, some effects of light energy are quantized; i.e., they come in whole-number sizes and it takes just the right amount or size packet of energy to cause a light mediated change in some chemical reaction: not too much, not too little. I don't know where uv light fits in relation to the way silver particles react, but suspect that the major factor is not the light but the silver compound. Take care, Malcolm At 01:59 AM 11/3/02 -0600, you wrote: Not trying to get far afield, but does one using Water Oz also stand a great greater chance of Argyria when exposed to ultraviolet light or tanning salon light? - Original Message - From: Malcolm Stebbins s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 1:26 AM Subject: Re: CSUh Oh...Blue Fingernails Water Oz Is a form of silver, the msp or mild silver protein sort - supposedly, I think. . . . . . Some messages on the list have suggested that it really contains silver salts such as the nitrate. It has been implicated by some in several reports of Argyria. One aspect of the Argyria thing is that the silver particles are 'developed' by strong sunshine, turning black just like in a photo. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS gatorade
Hi; Thanks anyway - this is fascinating stuff! Malcolm At 10:18 AM 11/3/02 -0500, you wrote: That email went out by accident. I got to the point where I was going to try and show how much energy would get absorbed by each potassium atom formed from Calcium and Oxygen, and found the result to be positive, that is heat produced, not absorbed. So I was woking on trying to figure that out and somehow the incomplete message got sent. Anyway, I was not able to figure it out, so I asked my oversoul before I went to sleep that night and had the answer in the morning. I believe what is happening is that like almost all other nutrients in the body, the body recycles them. So the actual transmutation is NOT calcium to potassium absorbs heat, but instead the following full cycle: calcium + oxygen = postassium + 19 Mev of energy (heat, or maybe a neutrino, still looking at that possibility) potassium = oxygen + calcium -19 Mev of energy The first reaction takes place in the skin, and maybe lungs and nasal passages. Any heat produced increases the skin temperature to above wet bulb temperature of the air, so heat flow is from the person to the air. The second reaction takes place in the body's core, which must be kept cool, and absorbs energy from the core, cooling it down. This could explain how when workers in the Saraha are checked their core temperature is maintained at a temperature below the wet bulb temperature of the air, and yet the skin is much higher than the core temperature, something that is impossible by standard physics. The iguanas tend to support this. Iguanas cannot sweat, so they must lose heat via their nasal passages being wet. The tests that found that they had large amounts of potassium were from the nasal fluids, where the expected calcium to potassium exothermic transmutation takes place. According to research the substance that mediates this transmutation is aldosterone. In Addison's disease it is impossible to control the potassium level. It appears that this disease is caused by this mechanism going out of control. Even if a person who has this disease if fed a postassium free diet, the blood will still accumulate toxic concentrations of potassium. Not realizing what was happening, doctors have tried giving patients sodium chloride to attempt to balance the electroytes in the blood. In every case this resulted in a rapid increase in postassium, and death of the patient. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: Could this be something like 'cold fusion' working in reverse to cool rather than to heat? Ken At 12:37 PM 11/1/02 -0500, you wrote: Marshall Dudley wrote: There is lots of data to support this, and data is suppose to trump theory, which says it is impossible, but the body under these conditions appears to transmute sodium to potassium. Actually this is not quite right. The transmutation is sodium plus oxygen produces potassium. Na 23 has a delta of -9531.4 keV O 16 has a delta of -4737.03 K 39 has a delta of -33806.6 Thus Sodium 23 plus Oxygen 16 has a nuclear binding energy of 14268.43 Potassium has a nuclear binding energy of 33806.6 The difference is 19538.17 keV or about 20 Mev. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSReality lives !!
Hi Jack; On the question of time - introduced by you and highlighted by JO-H - and defining reality - it ain't the only problem. On the question of the binary nature of reality - it may or may not be particulate so to speak, but may be a continuum, thus not either A or nonA but conditions of becoming. Zeno's paradox deals with this. I don't know if this adds to your confusion or reduces it, but what the hey?! Malcolm I was looking for a job when I got this one At 03:34 PM 11/3/02 -0800, you wrote: From: Malcolm Stebbins s...@asis.com Subject: RE: CSReality lives !! Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:13:38 -0800 Hi; 'Not only'. On the quantum level, time is reversible; instantaneous does not depend on particulate time, such as the Bhuddist 'Kalapa' the smallest unit of time deemed possible, and avoiding the sillophophical stuff that just begs to be thrashed on the question of time, . . . . Existence and becoming (and un-becoming) may or may not be 'binary'. In Mathematics the open interval, f'rinstance, is a little jolt; the interval [1 - 2), open at the upper end, never reaches two; there's always an infinitude of points between however-close-you-are to two, and two itself. This is similar to the race between Achilles and the Tortoise in one sense, but avoids the issue of time. Also, If something is not complete how can it exist? On the other hand, how can it not exist, if you can tell it is not complete? And for a more binary disclaimer, It's only fair I confess; I always lie: always! Phast Phred (aka: A) *** Say WHAT? Jack
Re: CSCS for animals- please help
Dear Langley, In answer to your questions I offer: (1) The ratio of CS to Gatorade (or any balanced fluid electrolyte) used, was between 75% CS X 25% GA, down to ratios as low as 50% CS X50% GA. There was little difference noted among any of the formulations. My personal preference would be for 50%CS X 25% GA. Primarily, because the need for IMMEDIATE re-hydration is, almost always, of pressing need; and without which NO protocol is usually successful. (2) Several different ratios were involved from almost totally Ionic, down to preparations of approximately 50% Ionic X 50% particulate. We were unable to quantify any advantage of one over the other. Personally, I would prefer a preparation that contained a measureable percentage of both...not only for Parvo, but for any other pathogen affecting the alimentary tract. (3) Preparations between 10 ppm and 20 ppm were employed...with no detectable advantage of one over the other. (4) The puppies were not forced to retain the liquid for any prescribed length of time.except that, sometimes, the very young 3 weeks or youngerwere held up-side down for two to three minutes before restoring them to horizontal. If they immediately evacuated, they were enemated again immediately (we determined, over time, that 10 minutes of retention -time exhibitied to be effective.in a majority of all cases). Actually, unless excessive volumes were introduced, involuntary evacuation did not present a frequent or major problem. Obviously, the most rapid improvement occurred when total retention resulted. Expectedly, the more pronounced the dehydration, the more dramaticand swift---was the improvement. (5) For acute, emergency-type cases the protocol was repeated every 3 hours for total of 12 hours time. After a pause of 4 to 6 hours, the protocol was resumed/repeated for a minimum of 3 days.or until favorable resolution manifested. Occasionally, treatment was required for 4 to 6 daysbut this was a rarity. NOTE: The protocol was NEVER discontinued until the subject freely, of its own volition, had resumed consuming liquids..unaided. (6) The puppies ranged in age from 9 days to 4 months. No! The same solution was NOT used for IV as for enemation. The IV solution was, actually, composed of Lactated Ringers plus 10 ppm CS. Interestingly, as a general rule, the speed-of-action of the enema was competitively near that of IV. However, the IV protocol was less stressful and wasas a rule, used, primarily, on the near-moribund puppies of very young age. IV was, sometimes, the protocol of last resortespecially in cases exacerbated by complementary pathogenic agents (or parasites) or where the subjects were greatly emaciated. I hope these answers prove sufficient for you. Sincerely, Brooks. P.S. Although not quantitatively corroborated, we feel confidant that the glucose fraction in the solution exhibited a definite nutritional support/detox function. Langsley T Russell wrote: Hi Brooks. Thanks for yet another interesting and informative post. If I may I have a few questions I would like to ask about the protocol for treating Parvo with CS. You said: ...Even when the puppies were so moribund as to be unable to stand or ingest food or water we were successful through the use of gatorade (or Ringer's Solution) and CS enemas-to save practically all of them !- What was the ratio of CS to Ringer's solution/Gatorade? 2- Do you know off hand it the CS used was highly Ionic or was it highly particulate/colloidal? Or was it an approximately even mix of both? 3- What was the ppm of the CS used? 4- For how long were the puppied enemated? By that I mean, were the puppies made to hold the solution until it was al absorbed by their systems? Or was some specified period of time for the solution to be retained found to be most effective.? 5- How many times and/or how often was the treatment repeated? What was the typical duration of the entire CS treatment period? 6- What was the age range of the puppies in your tests? And finally: Was the same solution used for the IV treatment as for the enemation?,, Thanks. LTR
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WTF!!! I am getting pop up ads every 60 to 90 seconds. They are almost full screen and must be almost downloaded before they can be deleted. How do I stop them? They are from MSN. Help! TJ Garland TJ Garland, CMO supplier there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people. _ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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That is a new way of spamming people. I saw an article the other day on it, there is a way around it, some kind of setting on your computer. Maybe I'll look around in my history file and see if I can find the article again. Roxanne -Original Message- From: TJ Garland [mailto:goldenok...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 9:12 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSpop up ads WTF!!! I am getting pop up ads every 60 to 90 seconds. They are almost full screen and must be almost downloaded before they can be deleted. How do I stop them? They are from MSN. Help! TJ Garland TJ Garland, CMO supplier there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people. _ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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The article is at: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/10/21/pop.upspam.ap/index.html If this is the problem, simple disable the messenger function. I had this problem once and it was not related to this article. I had to reboot the computer to keep them from popping up. Roxanne -Original Message- From: TJ Garland [mailto:goldenok...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 9:12 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSpop up ads WTF!!! I am getting pop up ads every 60 to 90 seconds. They are almost full screen and must be almost downloaded before they can be deleted. How do I stop them? They are from MSN. Help! TJ Garland TJ Garland, CMO supplier there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people. _ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSReality lives !!
Re: CSReality lives !!I think I may have finely found what is real! And somebody was correct earlier, when they said it could be found on the net! ---Begin Half Empty or Half Full? The study of Chaos often leads to what we call eureka moments. Eureka is an expression of triumph upon discovering a startling truth. Archimedes, one of the greatest intellects of antiquity, used this expression (literally I have found it!) when he figured out how to determine the purity of gold objects. We get closer to this eureka moment when the study of Chaos changes us and gives us a new way to examine the world. This transformed perspective lets us take something ordinary and familiar, and suddenly see in it all sorts of interesting new insights. For example, let's take a glass and fill it with water to the halfway point. We then ask the customary, time-honored question, Is the glass half empty or half full? Haven't we all seen this a zillion times? What new insights can we possibly squeeze out of this tired old platitude? As we all know, the glass serves as a metaphor for life, and water represents the good things in it. So, seeing the glass as half empty means you're a pessimist, because you dwell on the lack in your life. Seeing it as half full means you're optimistic, because you focus on the good things in life. Most people choose the latter and describe themselves as optimists. In all likelihood, this means you, too. Notice an interesting social phenomenon here. Most people want to be seen as optimists, even those who are usually morose and glum. Aren't we just a planet full of upbeat, sunny cheerleaders? How interesting! Why do we have such a social pressure to be relentlessly optimistic? Let's look at it from a completely different angle and turn this paradigm upside down. Is it always a negative thing to see the glass as half empty? Suppose such a perception motivates you to fill the glass - so to speak - whereas seeing it as half full leads to complacency. Focusing on the lack in one's life can then be a driving force for success. Not so negative now, is it? Look at the overachievers who accomplish great things in any field. They probably started out life with the idea that there wasn't enough water in their glass to suit them, so they worked to fill it up. On the other hand, at the opposite end of the spectrum, we have the underachievers who dawdle away their lives in torpid passivity. Perhaps they do so because their focus is on what they already possess, rather than the areas of life that can use some improvement. Another similar idea is to recognize the inherent usefulness of emptiness. In chapter 11 of Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu makes the point that the emptiness of a cup gives it utility and function. The lower part of the glass that is already filled with water cannot accept another drop, and if we remind ourselves that this represents life, we quickly see that the empty portion is where all the action can take place. The Taoist/Chaoist concept of emptiness is not a vacuous state of nothingness; rather, it is a pregnant void bursting with potentialities. Now we can see how this makes perfect sense. The blank pages in the book of your life are where the continuing tale of your adventures will be written. These empty pages are the place where unlimited possibilities exist. It's where the excitement and the joie de vivre reside. The emptiness is the part that can hold more water (good things). It is what makes the glass (life) useful and functional. So why wouldn't we want to focus on it? When you think of it this way, doesn't it seem a little odd that most people choose to see the glass as half full instead of half empty? See what's going on here? Even though most of us have heard about the glass half filled with water many, many times, in all likelihood it has never occurred to us that we can switch the positive and negative perceptions around so easily. Evidently there's more to the glass than meets the eyes. We also need to examine the unspoken assumptions and see how valid they really are. For instance, we start out with the unwritten, assumed rule that we have two choices, half full or half empty, and we must choose one of them. But must we really? Does it really have to be one or the other? Why can it not be both, or neither? Indeed, a glass with water at the halfway point can be seen as both half empty and half full. Sometimes it is useful to think of it one way; other times it's better to see it the other way. This is a completely accurate description of reality, and probably a much better way to conceptualize it than to arbitrarily force it into one category or another. By recognizing that the glass can embody both descriptions simultaneously, we begin to deal with it from a holistic mindset, taking into account every aspect of the object. In this mindset, we can see that asking about the glass being half full or half empty is
Re: CSCS for animals- please help
Evening Brooks, Thanks for a very interesting and educational post relative to the puppies, CS and Gatorade. I have an older dog that is very sick with some type infection. I took her to the Emergency Clinic today and learned very little. I have been giving her CS but not with gatorade. She will still drink water from time to time. The question I have relates to the use of DMSO mixed with CS. Would 10 to 50 drops of CS per ounce be of any value. Thanks for any suggestions. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFw: More blondes...........
Date Sent: 29 Oct 2002 09:21 PM 1. Why does it take longer to build a blonde snowman as opposed to a regular one? (You have to hollow out the head.) 2. Why won't they hire blondes as pharmacists? (They keep breaking the prescription bottles in the typewriters.) 3. Hear about the blonde that got an AM radio? (It took her a month to realize she could play it in the afternoon.) 4. What happened to the blonde ice hockey team? (They drowned during Spring Training.) 5. Why did the blonde scale the chain-link fence? (To see what was on the other side.) 6. How did the blonde die drinking milk? (The cow stepped on her.) 7. How did the blonde burn her nose? (Bobbing for French fries.) 8. Why do blondes have more fun? (They're easier to amuse.) 9. What do you call 20 blondes in a freezer? (Frosted flakes.) 10. Why can't blondes put in light bulbs? (They keep breaking them with their hammers.) 11. Did you hear about the blonde that shot an arrow into the air? (She missed.) 12. What is it when a blonde blows into another blonde's ear? (Data transfer.) 13. Why did the blonde resolve to have only three children? (Because she read that one child out of every four born was Chinese.) 14. Why did the blonde put make-up on her forehead? (She wanted everyone to know that she was able to make up her mind.) 15. Why did the blonde ask her friends to save their burned-out light bulbs? (She needed them for the darkroom she was building.) 16. Why are Asians so smart? (No blondes.) 17. What is the biggest advantage to marrying a blonde? (You get to park in the Handicapped Zone) - End Original Message - - End Original Message - - End Original Message - _ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSReality Lives: Tao Te Silver
Re: CSReality lives !!Thanks, James that was good reading, but: Bah! There is no such thing as an empty glass. That is the true nature of reality, as expressed in The formula of a Vaccum in an alternate translation of the Tao Te King. Of course, the same conception was taught by the Essenes, the esoteric jewish mystics, Christ, and as far as I know every authentic tradition that spans the globe. BUT that would be religious controversy Perhaps a wise man might say: Don't read between the lines, rather Drive through them with your soul. Let me just quote a stanza from the Tao Te King ( Ching ), and then we can begin our own Tao Te Silver! Heaven and Earth appear indifferent They view the ten plus thousand things as unreal. The wise appear indifferent They view society as unreal. The space between Heaven and Earth How like a bellows it is! Empty but never exhausted the shape changes but not the form. The more it moves the more it yields More words count less Too much senses lead to utter exhaustion. Maintain the perfect freedom of your nature - Hold fast to the center. --- Tao Te Silver ( Silver and the Way ) The ions that can be measured are not the real ions The zeta potential that can be gauged is not the real potential The current IS the father of particles and ions The water is the mother of atoms and particles; proteins and salts Ever managing the current one can see the mystery Ever managing the water one can purify the expression. The silver ions and particles spring from the same source but differ in designation To the uninformed, this appears as darkness Darkness within darkess! Heed well! The gateway to good colloidal silver. . Contaminate not the water lest it fill with compounds You can create silver ions but you cannot prevent reactions You can create silver particles But you cannot guarantee cellular union: When false claims fill your mind You become unguardable. Claim superiority and authority And you bequeath misfortune upon yourself Rather: Just make your CS And withdraw when the work is done For that is the Way of Silver. - Original Message - From: James Allison To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 7:45 PM Subject: Re: CSReality lives !! I think I may have finely found what is real! And somebody was correct earlier, when they said it could be found on the net! ---Begin Half Empty or Half Full? The study of Chaos often leads to what we call eureka moments. Eureka is an expression of triumph upon discovering a startling truth. Archimedes, one of the greatest intellects of antiquity, used this expression (literally I have found it!) when he figured out how to determine the purity of gold objects. We get closer to this eureka moment when the study of Chaos changes us and gives us a new way to examine the world. This transformed perspective lets us take something ordinary and familiar, and suddenly see in it all sorts of interesting new insights. For example, let's take a glass and fill it with water to the halfway point. We then ask the customary, time-honored question, Is the glass half empty or half full? Haven't we all seen this a zillion times? What new insights can we possibly squeeze out of this tired old platitude? As we all know, the glass serves as a metaphor for life, and water represents the good things in it. So, seeing the glass as half empty means you're a pessimist, because you dwell on the lack in your life. Seeing it as half full means you're optimistic, because you focus on the good things in life. Most people choose the latter and describe themselves as optimists. In all likelihood, this means you, too. Notice an interesting social phenomenon here. Most people want to be seen as optimists, even those who are usually morose and glum. Aren't we just a planet full of upbeat, sunny cheerleaders? How interesting! Why do we have such a social pressure to be relentlessly optimistic? Let's look at it from a completely different angle and turn this paradigm upside down. Is it always a negative thing to see the glass as half empty? Suppose such a perception motivates you to fill the glass - so to speak - whereas seeing it as half full leads to complacency. Focusing on the lack in one's life can then be a driving force for success. Not so negative now, is it? Look at the overachievers who accomplish great things in any field. They probably started out life with the idea that there wasn't enough water in their glass to suit them, so they worked to fill it up. On the other hand, at the opposite end of the spectrum, we have the underachievers who dawdle away their lives in torpid passivity. Perhaps they do so because their focus is on what they already possess, rather than the areas of life that can use some improvement. Another similar idea is to recognize the inherent usefulness
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Today's Topics: Re: CSReality lives !! Re: CSCS for animals- please help CSFw: More blondes... Silly me...thought this was a CS list; oh well, 2 out of 3... jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Elimination
The two types of MS would be relapsing/remitting and the second is progressive. I have had both relapsing remitting for 34 years which then became progressive in 1995. I agree with everything below.. Nancy DeLise - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:42 PM Subject: Re: CSCS Elimination Hi List, There's been some discussion about the effectiveness if CS on MS recently. Let me throw one anecdotal story out for those who may want to consider using CS to treat it. Apparently there are two types of MS. One type has bad bouts associated with it and then apparent spontaneous but not quite full recovery. So the bouts are very bad but they do not stay that way. Over time each bout leaves the person a little further down. I have a customer with progressive non remissive type MS (type 2). They go steadily downhill and do not recover. It is a steady slide. This person (female) was an R.N. and was diagnosed about 4 1/2 years ago at age 26. She is now 30. She had deteriorated to the stage of using a walker, was incontinent, was very weak on her left side and had no control of her right foot. She had been unable to work for a few years. In February 1, 2002 she started taking CS made with one of our units. She started at 32 ounces a day. She reduced that amount after 6 weeks to 16 ounces a day because she was experiencing what she considered a recovery. She regained the strength on her left side, her right foot became completely usable, she stopped using the walker and her incontinence went away except for an occasional slip. She then returned to work as a nurse. She has been on the same regimen since then except she says she began to backslide occasionally and forget to take the CS, thinking it wasn't necessary because she felt so good or for whatever reason. Whenever she stopped or didn't take enough she says she could feel it beginning to recur so she is now back to taking it on a regular basis. She has not had an MRI since starting the CS but I understand she will be having one in February of 2003 to see how the lesions are doing (or not). I expect to hear of the results and will post them when I hear the results. She used a PWT meter to determine the strength. She was using the SG6 and was making it at about 15 PPM. I feel the upshot here istake plenty.not a tablespoon at a time. Every person that has told me of their recovery from life threatening diseases use large amounts. And I can knock your socks off with some of the first hand accounts in my arsenal. All anecdotal of course I have many such anecdotal stories and all of them involved an aggressive regimen. My personal opinion is that a small amount taken daily is probably a good preventative but will not be effective when one has to really get after a disease. I have been taking an ounce a day for about 5 years and haven't had any colds, flu or infections. However if I were to become ill the first thing I would do is go all out and use it as drinking water until the bugs had disappeared. I hope this helps anyone that's interested. Trem -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
