Re: CSCS:Re Linseed oil

[Jonathan B. Britten]

The sulphur and molasses are, I read recently, an Amish anti-parasite
remedy.  

See altcancer.com  for a new anti-parasite formula;  the site has photos
of things that came out of customers.  Yuck. 

We all have parasites, and it seems to me a ghastly failure of modern MD
practice that almost no one is treated for them or given methods of
prophylaxis/maintenance.

 

Harold MacDonald wrote:
 
 Boiled linseed oil is linseed oil[Flax oil] with Japan dryers added so it
 will dry when applied as a natural oil coating or used in mixing with
 paints.This Japan dryer is a chemical which is hazardous to your health if
 ingested;however,many many years ago,raw linseed oil was used as a health
 supplement,and I,as a kid had to take a tablespoon-ful a day;I don't
 remember why,but I think it was a winter tonic.Also along with Sulphur and
 molasses,UGH
 Harold
 
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Re: CSCataracts

[C Creel]

Dear Bricky,

  You said:

The guy who told me about linseed oil said that most cataracts were
deposits of a cooking grease called CRISCO and any good oil would dissolve
it.  He said that when your body dumped CRISCO in your eye, all other dumps
are full (like your chest) so you also have to do some cleaning in other
places besides the eye.  I still have some lumps in my chest but I got rid
of most of them by doing kidney cleanses.


  **  Oh dear.  I don't think I would consult this person very much for
health purposes.
Either that, or I'd make damn sure I stopped feeding the dog Crisco ;-)

Regards,
Catherine


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CSRe: Long, Boring - Calculations

[AScottSilver]

Hi Mike,

I don't really care about exploding batteries or how to keep it simple unless 
the list owner is going to post videos of exploding batteries and fist fights 
amongst the members. I might even pay extra for that. (^_^)

Anyhow, in your recent post, you suggested a W shaped electrode and a small 
drinking glass. I was thinking of a quart mason jar. Something that would be 
better equipped to take a U shaped electrode. I'm thinking that the shape 
doesn't matter as long as the surface area and the spacing are the same.

You also mentioned that the spacing between the electrodes doesn't matter 
that much. Without agitation of the water, isn't the concentration of silver 
between the electrodes going to be much higher then behind them?

I've got the variable voltage, current limiting power supplies and 5 1/2 
digit HP DVMs that I use at home. I'm just trying to put together something for 
a 
simple person. No meters, no salt test, just make the stuff and drink it. I 
was thinking of spacing the two U shaped electrodes at about 1 1/2 inches 
apart.

I can hook it up to batteries or a wall transformer. I can put a resistor in 
series or just tell them it's ready when the electordes turn black. I just 
need to keep this simple. What do you think?

Thanks for your time.
Andy (^_^)

From: Mike Monett 

  Hi Andy,

  Well, since you ask, here's my recommendation.

 

Re: CSBoring List

[Ode Coyote]

At 06:13 PM 6/22/2003 -0400, you wrote:

CATHERINE!!??  somewhat useful.  ?

...can ya get as pure dc from any of the plug-in
machines/generators.



 Sure, but if there's no overcurrent protection, you can melt down the 
transformer of blow out the windings if you short the electrodes together. 
Some of the better transformers have this protection designed in, some blow 
out very fast.

[not explosively..they just quit working]
 A controlled current generator will never draw that much current.
 Ode


I am unable to detect the slightest heat coming from my single 9-volt
batt.
and comments others have made bout filling up the land-fill with dead
batts are grandiose.

it may be ignorance but I am thrilled with the product from my generator
made with Arnold Beland's silver wire.

:) davido


On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 01:53:58 -0400 C Creel ccr...@adelphia.net
writes:
 Dear Mike,


   You said:

 I hope so. There are many warnings on the newsgroups about the
 danger
 of modern alkaline batteries. They can explode if short-circuited
 for a
 length of time. There is no current limiting anywhere, and no
 warning of
 the possibility of serious harm.


   **  Personally, I'm not one for battery-made CS.  But people have
 been
 doing it for some time and can get a product that is somewhat
 useful.  There
 are a number of people here who swear by it.


I bought a generator because I didn't want to be playing around
 with the
 many versions of a home design at the time.

 Regards,
 Catherine


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CSNYTimes.com Article: Studies of Dietary Supplements Come Under Growing Scrutiny

[pottery]

This article from NYTimes.com 
has been sent to you by pott...@wlink.com.np.


CSers
I'm imagining that in weight loss pills the powers that be have an easy target 
against dietary supliments.  I'm also noting that the New York Times is now 
referring to itself as *the world's* newspaper of record.
Reid

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Studies of Dietary Supplements Come Under Growing Scrutiny

June 23, 2003
By FORD FESSENDEN 




 

When a California judge handed down a $12.5 million
false-advertising judgment against the maker of an
ephedra-based weight-loss pill late last month, he also
issued what amounted to a bill of reproach against the
science of dietary supplements. 

The company, Cytodyne Technologies, maker of Xenadrine
RFA-1, the supplement implicated in the death of a
Baltimore Orioles pitcher, had not just exaggerated the
findings of clinical trials it commissioned, Superior Court
Judge Ronald L. Styn said in ruling on a class-action suit,
but had also cajoled some researchers into fudging results
in published scientific articles. 

The evidence, Judge Styn said, had left him no alternative
but to conclude that the researchers had set out to create
a study that justified the money being spent by Cytodyne
and would ensure that they received further work from the
company. 

The Cytodyne case is part of a swelling tide of litigation
that is raising serious questions about the way makers of
ephedra and other dietary supplements use - and often
misuse - the promise of scientific proof to market their
products. 

In the last eight months, three leading manufacturers of
weight-loss pills have been hit with false-advertising
verdicts in the millions of dollars. A fourth has been
rebuked by a federal judge for hiding evidence. The
Missouri attorney general and a group of district attorneys
in California have also brought false-advertising suits
against manufacturers, and Congress has demanded Cytodyne's
research records. 

Under pressure in the courts and from regulators, a number
of manufacturers, including Cytodyne, have refashioned some
of their weight-loss products without ephedra. Just this
month, legislative leaders in Albany agreed to make New
York the second state to ban ephedra, after Illinois, and
the federal government is considering its own ban. 

But experts say a switch in ingredients does nothing to
alter the industry's reliance on questionable science. In
fact, they say, they are especially concerned because there
is so little rigorous research on the new ephedra
substitutes, primarily a substance called synephrine. 

The truth is, supplement makers are not obliged to do any
research. A 1994 law exempts them from having to prove, as
drug manufacturers do, that their products are harmless and
effective. But at a time of concern about the safety and
effectiveness of its products, the $18 billion-a-year
supplement industry has embraced research because, when
carefully aimed, it can be worth money. 

Precisely because the industry is not regulated, though,
its research is sometimes less than strictly scientific,
experts say. 

There will be 250 to 300 clinical trials on nutraceuticals
this year, said Anthony Almada, a consultant and founder
of EAS, the biggest sports nutrition company, who advocates
scientific research on products but has become a critic of
the way supplement makers conduct it. The rigor applied in
these studies on the average is somewhat notably less than
that of a drug study. 

Often relying on as few as a dozen subjects, these studies
are scaled-down versions of the double-blind,
placebo-controlled clinical trials required before drugs
can be approved. Some are published in abbreviated form at
meetings of scientific organizations, or in obscure
journals, providing a basis for marketing claims like
clinically proven. 

An industry spokesman, Steven Dentali, vice president for
science and technical affairs at the American Herbal
Products Association, acknowledged that whenever there's a
desired outcome, you've got the potential for bias. At the
same time, he argued that supplement science is no worse
than that done for pharmaceuticals. 

There's an interest in making sure you do good science and
representing it properly because there's a spotlight on the
industry, Mr. Dentali said. 

Ambiguous Findings 

Even the best available science about ephedra is ambiguous.
The Food and Drug Administration has collected reports
linking it to more than 100 deaths. But by and large, the
studies done have been too small and too limited - using
only healthy subjects - to assess the actual danger. In
March, the RAND Corporation issued an analysis combining
the results of the many small studies; the analysis found
evidence that ephedra works for weight loss in the short
term, but can 

Re: CSRefute for silver chloride ( cure for Argyria )

[Marv Hacker]

Hi,

Sorry to bother you again. I forgot to include that I have been taking
10 PPM CS for these three years.

  :)

- Original Message -
From: Marv Hacker marv...@charter.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: CSRefute for silver chloride ( cure for Argyria )


Hi, Twill,

Please let me know how much of prox what PPM CS you were taking daily,
in order to have had the worm die off.

I have been taking a half to one teaspoon once per day for the last
three years, or so. My usual two or three bouts with colds and flu have
failed to materialize during this time  :)

Thanks,
  :) Marv

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From: twll t...@alltel.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: CSRefute for silver chloride ( cure for Argyria )


Hulda Clark in her book, The Cure For All Diseases
states that cancer is caused by parasites.They are attracted to solvents
like rubbing alcohol,benzene  a few
other chemicals.I personaly had a die off of some type of
worm a couple of weeks after I started taking C S.
I sent a photo of it to a website   they said it looked like a decomposed
roundworm.
- Original Message -
From: Trem t...@silvergen.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: CSRefute for silver chloride ( cure for Argyria )


 Hi Catherine,

 That's what has bothered me for a long time.  I have many anecdotal
stories
 of people licking cancer using large amounts of CS.  Some were in hospice
 ready to check out and were sent home when the cancers disappeared.

 I even have one of a dog that was covered with tumors under the skin.  The
 vet cut it open, took one look, sewed it up and said it'll be gone
shortly.
 After getting CS as drinking water the dog got off its deathbed, started
 acting like a pup (was 13 at the time) and the tumors disappeared.  Last I
 heard, the dog was 15 and still going strong.  We can rule out placebo
 effect I would think.  Animals don't exhibit it.  We either fix them or we
 don't.  They don't get influenced by a sugar pill.

 So, what is it that allows CS to knock some cancers out wish I knew.
 But I do know that some of them are gotten rid of.

 Trem


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 From: C Creel ccr...@adelphia.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 10:06 AM
 Subject: Re: CSRefute for silver chloride ( cure for Argyria )


  Geez, if the worst adverse effect is silver deposits, it's a hell of a
lot
  better than chemo, radiation or death.
 
Fantastic story, as is Jason's.
 
Now I have a question.  On what basis might CS do these things?
Cancer
 is
  not bacteria nor is it a virus.
 
 I'd love to hear people's thoughts on this.
 
  Regards,
  Catherine
 
 
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Re: CSRe: FTC seizes Seasilver

[Marshall Dudley]

Arnold Beland wrote:

 Marshall,

 if I did
 not remove any reference to anything true about CS, I would be fined
 $10,000 a
 day.

 Does this mean that you would be OK with them if you used qualifying
 phrases such as it is widely believed and so on?


I don't know, and certainly don't have the money to test that.  They said
I could not even relate any true experiences anyone had had either.

Marshall


 Arnold

 - Original Message -
 From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 5:30 PM
 Subject: Re: CSRe: FTC seizes Seasilver

  Or maybe they are following the advise of a lawyer that has the
 notion that the
  Federal government has to follow the laws.  I had my site approved
 by an attorney
  and doctor who said that there was nothing illegal on it and the
 government could
  not do anything about it, only to get a letter from the FTC saying
 that if I did
  not remove any reference to anything true about CS, I would be fined
 $10,000 a
  day.
 
  Marshall
 
  jrowl...@nctimes.net wrote:
 
Do you imply that this may have been a set-up for a precedent to
 get others?
   No, my first thought was maybe Seasilver, for whatever reason,
 WANTS to
   be a
   test-case, as they were clearly warned and there's very big bucks
   involved.
   So far, it just does not make sense, especially to the 400+
 laid-off
   employees.
   A publicity stunt?  Puzzling.  This geographic area is also home
 to some
   major players in pharms and gene research.
   jr
  
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CSRe: silver-digest Flaxseed oil

[Hanneke]

When intending on the  use of flaxseedoil for health,  I would urge you to
buy your oil from the healthfood store, even making sure that they have
stored it in the fridge not just on the shelf somewhere in the shop.  As it
is an unstable oil (meaning  vulnerable to any increase in heat, becoming
rancid quickly) possible health problems might happen from using the  rancid
product.
The linseed oil as we know it from the hardware store has been boiled and
chemically treated.  inmo not a good idea to use  for health issue.

Regards
Hanneke


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Re: CSCataracts

[Jack Dayton]

Marv Hacker6/23/03 1:14 AM

 I gather that you actually used linseed oil. I do not know much about these
oils. Are you saying that:
+ flaxseed oil would be preferred,
+ either oil would work fine,
+ or that the two oils are actually the same.
 
***

I think that the flaxseed oil will be more refined.
Spend a little time with google.
Nothing - no site I checked even hinted at eye drops.

My last eye exam revealed beginning cataracts
so I was searching for over 1 hour.

Jack 

Re: CSRe: Seasilver Bust. The Regulation of Products Generally

[Jack Dayton]

Reid Harvey 6/23/03  2:40 AM wrote:

 Jack Dayton wrote:
 
 Ode Coyote  6/20/03   4:06 AM
 
 That's the tyranny of the masses  aka  democracy, and social
 engineering
 at work.
*
The above is a little confusing:

Ken (Ode Coyote) wrote about  ...the
tyranny of the masses...

My reply to that was to suggest that
the worst form of tyranny would be a
pure democracy.

Jack Dayton


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Re: CSCataracts

[Jack Dayton]

ascottsil...@aol.com6/23/03 5:12 AM

There are probably issues about purity, but consider the source. Most of the
stuff out there  comes from the same vat. It has water and die added to it
and 
a new smaller container and a very expensive lable.

Best wishes,
Andy
*
I'll remember never to ask your advice about
suppliments.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Jack

   GREAT TRUTHS ABOUT GROWING OLD
Time may be a great healer, but it's a lousy beautician. 

Re: CSKidney Stones

[Marshall Dudley]

Stones are normally caused by the body being too acid I believe. This
can be easily corrected by change of diet such as eliminating cola
products and lots of meat (recommended), using alkalinized water or
taking small amounts of tums or baking soda.

Marshall

James Holmes wrote:

 Unauthorative speculation: CS would probably help with an associated
 infection; I doubt it would reduce the stones or have any influence on
 the root cause of the stones. . JOH

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  From: Charles Sutton [mailto:cds...@earthlink.net]
  Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 5:06 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CSKidney Stones

  Would CS have any effect on Kidney Stones? (just a shot in
  the dark)

Re: CSRe: FTC seizes Seasilver

[Marshall Dudley]

http://www.silver-lightning.com

Marshall

tomy thomson wrote:

 Marshall, whats your site address

  --- Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com wrote:  Or
 maybe they are following the advise of a lawyer
  that has the notion that the
  Federal government has to follow the laws.  I had my
  site approved by an attorney
  and doctor who said that there was nothing illegal
  on it and the government could
  not do anything about it, only to get a letter from
  the FTC saying that if I did
  not remove any reference to anything true about CS,
  I would be fined $10,000 a
  day.
 
  Marshall
 
  jrowl...@nctimes.net wrote:
 
Do you imply that this may have been a set-up
  for a precedent to get others?
   No, my first thought was maybe Seasilver, for
  whatever reason, WANTS to
   be a
   test-case, as they were clearly warned and there's
  very big bucks
   involved.
   So far, it just does not make sense, especially to
  the 400+ laid-off
   employees.
   A publicity stunt?  Puzzling.  This geographic
  area is also home to some
   major players in pharms and gene research.
   jr
  
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Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...

[Marshall Dudley]

Mike Monett wrote:

 url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60539.html
 Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...
 From: Mike Monett
 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:17:10

   I wrote:

Jason has  removed this protection, and added one more  battery to
the stack. This increases the hazard.

   The reason  this  increases  the hazard is  described  by  a battery
   engineer for Ray-O-Vac:

   

   From: Jon Brinkmann (jv...@virginia.edu)
   Subject: Re: Recharging ALKALINE batteries

   Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc, rec.radio.amateur.equipment
   Date: 1993-07-06 16:37:18 PST

   I used  to  be  a  Product  Reliability  Engineer  for  Ray-O-Vac. I
   strongly advise  against attempting to recharge an  alkaline battery
   unless it  is  designed  to  be  recharged.  Alkaline  batteries can
   explode if  reverse  current  is forced through them,  as  it  is in
   recharging. In fact, placing a partially discharged alkaline battery
   in series  with  other fresh batteries can force  a  reverse current
   through the battery, causing it to explode.

This guy is claiming to be a Ray-O-Vac engineer? I have my doubts.  Putting a 
partially discharged battery in series with good ones will not cause
a reverse current, but can cause a current to be forced through it when it 
becomes totally dead which might be a problem.  To get a reverse
current requires the battery to be installed backwards, or in parallel with one 
or more batteries that are not discharged.  Out of 3
possibilities, he chose the one that was wrong. :



   Since, unlike  zinc-carbon (ordinary) batteries,  alkaline batteries
   have a  steel  can,  the   explosion  can  be  lethal.  All alkaline
   batteries are designed with a safety vent in the cap, but I wouldn't
   trust my life or limbs to that little piece of plastic!  If pressure
   build fast enough, the can can still explode.

Regular batteries are in a steel can also for most types, such as a C or D 
cell.  He should know that if he is a battery engineer.

Marshall




 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8safe=offframe=rightth=3a2dde59c3f7e15cseekm=C9rnpC.Btu%40murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU

   

   This was posted in 1993 - ten years ago. Alkalines have  far greater
   energy now than they did at that time.

   There are  many  references  to  the fact  the  safety  vent  is not
   reliable. Numerous  accounts on the newsgroups show  Alkalines often
   explode. Here's just one:

   

   From: Roger Riordan (rogerrior...@netspace.net.au)
   Subject: Re: Alkaline battery explodes in flash

   Newsgroups: aus.photo
   Date: 2001-02-28 03:28:08 PST
   On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:46:17 +1000, Matthew MacLean/bigpond.com
   matthew.macl...@bigpond.com wrote:

I had  a alkaline AA battery explode in my Canon  380EX  the other
day. Anybody had a similar experience. Battery was  relatively new
and the others showed near full charge when removed. No  damage to
flash gun,  but  battery was distorted  and  completely discharged
with insides  all  through battery compartment.  Some  other canon
flash says do not use alkaline but not this model.

   Sounds as  if there must have been a short circuit in your  flash. A
   fully charged  battery  contains  a  significant  amount  of energy.
   Normally this  is dissipated in the load (ie in working  the flash),
   but if  the  battery is shorted it will all  be  dissipated  as heat
   inside the battery, and with higher energy batteries can easily boil
   the electrolyte, causing the battery to explode.

   The flash units would have to be very poorly designed if  they could
   not operate from an alkaline battery of the correct voltage.

   Roger Riordan


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   Note: Roger may be unaware that operating a weak Alkaline  in series
   with fresh ones may cause cell reversal and result in an explosion.

   With the battery encased in a steel jacket, it could  cause grevious
   harm.

   The leads in Jason's design are very short.

   The newbie's hands are right next to the battery stack.

 Best Regards,

 Mike Monett

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Re: CSCataracts

[Marshall Dudley]

I would purchase flaxseed oil from a health food store, not use linseed
oil.  Linseed oil may have other chemicals added that would be unhealthy
or toxic and is often processed by solvents and exposed to heat.  It is
not intended for internal or external use.

Marshall

brick...@aol.com wrote:

 I used flaxseed oil (actually linseed oil from Home Depot) to correct
 a cataract in my dogs eye that blocked her pupil.  One drop per day
 for like two months and it melted away.
 Brickey

Re: CSCataracts

[Marshall Dudley]

Both are made from the oils of the flax plant.  Flaxseed oil found in a
health food store should be cold pressed, with nothing added or done to
it.  Linseed oil will typically be hot pressed, solvent purified (with
traces of the solvent left behind which could be toxic), and sometimes
treated with acid or lye to change the characteristics for what it is to
be used for.  Linseed oil that is not intended for taking internally
should not be.

Marshall

Marv Hacker wrote:

 Hi, Brickey, I gather that you actually used linseed oil. I do not
 know much about these oils. Are you saying that:+ flaxseed oil would
 be preferred,+ either oil would work fine,+ or that the two oils are
 actually the same. Thanks,  :) Marv

  - Original Message -
  From: brick...@aol.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 4:33 PM
  Subject: Re: CSCataracts
   I used flaxseed oil (actually linseed oil from Home Depot)
  to correct a cataract in my dogs eye that blocked her
  pupil.  One drop per day for like two months and it melted
  away.
  Brickey

Re: CSCataracts

[Marshall Dudley]

ascottsil...@aol.com wrote:

 Hi Marv,

 It's my understanding that flaxseed oil and linseed oil are the same
 thing. You can spend the long buck and buy flaxseed oil at the health
 food store or you can buy the same exact thing at the hardware store
 for a hell of a lot less. DMSO is like that. Health food store vs.
 feed store = big markup. It's all marketing. I'm sure this won't make
 me very popular with some folks on the list but, Oh well.

 The next time you are at the grocery store, look at Tilex. It is
 watered down bleach (sodium hypochloride). At the hardware store, look
 at JASCO driveway cleaners. It's watered down swimming pool acid
 (sodium hydroxide). I think there are only about a dozzen or so
 chemicals that the public are allowed to buy and they are sold under
 hundreds if not thousands of different trade names.

 There are probably issues about purity, but consider the source. Most
 of the stuff out there  comes from the same vat.

This is not really true, same source, but they are not processed the
same:

The seeds contain around 35 to 44 percent of drying oil. In eastern
Europe, the seed is generally first cold pressed, the cold-press oil
being used in foods. A later hot press yields additional industrial oil.
In the U.S., oil extraction is generally hot press, followed by solvent
extraction, and the oil is not used as food. The press cake from hot
pressing is a valuable livestock feed.

In America linseed oil for painting is also sometimes acid refined.

Marshall

Re: CSCataracts

[Marshall Dudley]

Gladys Williams wrote:

 DEAR LIST:

 I WOULD LIKE TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THIS-  IS HE SAYING THAT
 CATARACTS ARE FAT DEPOSITS AND THAT BY THE TIME THEY
 APPEAR IN YOUR EYE, ALL THE OTHER MAJOR ORGANS ARE
 FULL?  HE'S NOT ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT CRISCO RIGHT?


I believe he is talking about hyrdogenated vegatible oil.  Crisco is one of
many sources for this, including margerine.  He is also proabably taking
about satruated fats, such as animal fats as well.  Basically from what I
understand, and oil that is solid at temperatures of 98.6 degrees F can
accumulate in the body in suc places as the blood vessels and lens of the
eye..


 IN ADDITION, IS HE SUGGESTING PUTTING SOMETHING FROM
 THE HARDWARE STORE USED FOR PAINTING IN YOUR EYE?

 THAT SOUNDS TOTALLY UNSANITARY AND DANGEROUS.
 YOU CAN MESS UP WITH LOTS OF THINGS BUT YOUR EYES
 ARE TOO IMPORTANT TO FOOL AROUND WITH.  FOR A FEW
 DOLLARS DIFFERENCE, WITH THE HEALTH FOOD STORE YOU
 AT LEAST FEEL THE OIL IS CLEAN, N'EST PAS?

 IS IT JUST ME OR DOES THIS SOUND RISKY?

I agree wholheartedly.

Marshall



 GLADYS

 PS  MY MOM JUST HAD CATARACT SURGERY AND SHE DOES
 HAVE ARTERIORSCLEROTIC DISEASE (PARDON THE SPELLING)
 OR THE EQUIVALENT OF FAT DEPOSITS IN HER VEINS.  THIS
 MIGHT THEREFORE BE SOUND REASONING, BUT NOT CORRECT
 TREATMENT.COMMENTS??

 HE SAID:

 The guy who told me about linseed oil said that most cataracts
  were deposits of a cooking grease called CRISCO and any good oil would
  dissolve it.  He said that when your body dumped CRISCO in your eye, all

  other dumps are full (like your chest) so you also have to do some
 cleaning in
  other places besides the eye.  I still have some lumps in my chest but I

  got rid of most of them by doing kidney cleanses.

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Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...

[Mike Monett]

url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60548.html
Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...
From: M. G. Devour
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:14:16

   With all due respect...

   Ah, but  where  was  the respect  in  your  knee-jerk  response to
   Jason's tutorial pages, Mike?

   [Snipped... references  which   amply   justify  concern  for user
   safety, which Jason is taking to heart and acting upon.]

   Behold, yet another useful contribution.

   Now, could  you  have expressed  your  concern  differently? Jason
   happens to be mellow enough to learn from your remarks  and ignore
   the ridicule.  Lucky  you and lucky  us.  Despite  your assaultive
   behavior some good has come of it.

   The principle contributors here are *not* total idiots, and should
   not be treated as such. Any mistakes they might be making are just
   that, mistakes, and not indicative of deep seated character flaws,
   nefarious intentions, nor incurable incompetence.

   In some realms these people have things to teach you.

   Let me  put my concern another way. You and all the  other members
   are  my   guests   here.   Totally   aside   from   your technical
   contributions, I expect you, and all, to treat your  fellow guests
   with respect  and  reasonable  care for  their  feelings  and self
   respect.

   Mike Devour
   silver-list owner

  Yes Mike, Thank you for your kindness.

  You and  the  others live in a normal world. I  used  to  live there
  also.

  Now, I  live in a world dominated by mold spores. You  have  no idea
  how difficult  it is to focus with the pounding  headaches,  or what
  the toxins do to your mind. You only function on the  most primitive
  of levels.

  When I saw what Jason was doing, the alarm bells went off in my head
  screaming danger. I knew what shorting a battery stack could do, but
  would have to search for the references and find the ones that would
  make the most sense.

  Meanwhile I had to alert the others. The mold makes it impossible to
  write. You cannot remember words. I did the best I could.

  All winter  I longed for summer so I could open the windows  and let
  the spores out.

  I live  in Ottawa, Canada. The snow is gone and it  has  turned warm
  and humid. There are more spores outside than there were inside.

  I may not last the summer. I know I will not last another winter. No
  one can withstand this brutal punishment.

  The spores  are  killing me, Mike. I will be so  grateful  when that
  finally happens.

  Meanwhile, I will try to help as best I can. That is the only thing
  that takes my mind off the pain.

  Thank you, Mike.

Best Regards,

Mike Monett


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Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...

[Arnold Beland]

Have you tried ozone?
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From: Mike Monett 3hg0lm...@sneakemail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...


 url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60548.html
 Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...
 From: M. G. Devour
 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:14:16

With all due respect...

Ah, but  where  was  the respect  in  your  knee-jerk  response
to
Jason's tutorial pages, Mike?

[Snipped... references  which   amply   justify  concern  for
user
safety, which Jason is taking to heart and acting upon.]

Behold, yet another useful contribution.

Now, could  you  have expressed  your  concern  differently?
Jason
happens to be mellow enough to learn from your remarks  and
ignore
the ridicule.  Lucky  you and lucky  us.  Despite  your
assaultive
behavior some good has come of it.

The principle contributors here are *not* total idiots, and
should
not be treated as such. Any mistakes they might be making are
just
that, mistakes, and not indicative of deep seated character
flaws,
nefarious intentions, nor incurable incompetence.

In some realms these people have things to teach you.

Let me  put my concern another way. You and all the  other
members
are  my   guests   here.   Totally   aside   from   your
technical
contributions, I expect you, and all, to treat your  fellow
guests
with respect  and  reasonable  care for  their  feelings  and
self
respect.

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

   Yes Mike, Thank you for your kindness.

   You and  the  others live in a normal world. I  used  to  live
there
   also.

   Now, I  live in a world dominated by mold spores. You  have  no
idea
   how difficult  it is to focus with the pounding  headaches,  or
what
   the toxins do to your mind. You only function on the  most
primitive
   of levels.

   When I saw what Jason was doing, the alarm bells went off in my
head
   screaming danger. I knew what shorting a battery stack could do,
but
   would have to search for the references and find the ones that
would
   make the most sense.

   Meanwhile I had to alert the others. The mold makes it impossible
to
   write. You cannot remember words. I did the best I could.

   All winter  I longed for summer so I could open the windows  and
let
   the spores out.

   I live  in Ottawa, Canada. The snow is gone and it  has  turned
warm
   and humid. There are more spores outside than there were inside.

   I may not last the summer. I know I will not last another winter.
No
   one can withstand this brutal punishment.

   The spores  are  killing me, Mike. I will be so  grateful  when
that
   finally happens.

   Meanwhile, I will try to help as best I can. That is the only
thing
   that takes my mind off the pain.

   Thank you, Mike.

 Best Regards,

 Mike Monett


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CSRe: silver-digest Digest V103 #470

[Charles Sutton]

come on list; what can mike do to get rid of these spores??

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CSMold Spores

[Charles Sutton]

How 'bout it list; what can Mike do to get rid of those spores??

Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...

[Mike Monett]

Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...
From: Marshall Dudley
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:41:21

   This guy is claiming to be a Ray-O-Vac engineer? I have my doubts.

  Boy, posting in html sure garbles things.

  Yes, he  is a reliability engineer for batteries, and he  knows what
  he is talking about.

   Putting a  partially discharged battery in series  with  good ones
   will not  cause a reverse current, but can cause a  current  to be
   forced through  it when it becomes totally dead which  might  be a
   problem.

  This is exactly the problem. Current flows in the  reverse direction
  as he described. This causes gas to build up. Batteries that are not
  designed for recharging have no way to vent this gas. Eventually the
  battery explodes.

   To get  a  reverse current requires the  battery  to  be installed
   backwards, or in parallel with one or more batteries that  are not
   discharged. Out  of  3 possibilities, he chose  the  one  that was
   wrong.

  No. When  the batteries are in series, the  strong  batteries charge
  the weak one in the reverse direction. This is called cell reversal.

  If the  battery is not designed for recharging,  gas  buildup causes
  the battery to explode.

   Regular batteries are in a steel can also for most types,  such as
   a C or D cell. He should know that if he is a battery engineer.

   Marshall

  As he described, carbon-zinc batteries have a zinc outer shell. Here
  is a picture from the Energizer site:

  http://data.energizer.com/batteryinfo/cross_sections_for_manuals/cs1215.pdf

  Alkalines have a steel outer shell insulated with plastic.  There is
  a picture on the Energizer site at this url:

  
http://data.energizer.com/batteryinfo/application_manuals/cylindrical_alkaline.htm

  Alkalines that  are  not  designed  for  recharging  usually  have a
  printed warning  stating Do Not Recharge. The  gas  buildup causes
  the battery to explode when the pressure gets high enough.

  The problem is putting a weak battery in series with fresh ones.

  Shorting a  battery stack causes a very high current drain.  This is
  extremely dangerous.  The  battery  does not heat  up.  There  is no
  warning. It just explodes.

  The Energizer  Design   and   Safety   Considerations  states this
  clearly, but uses euphanisms that do not indicate the true danger:

  
http://data.energizer.com/batteryinfo/other_available/design_and_safety_considerations.htm

b. Instruct  the consumer to replace all batteries at one time.

The replacement  of  a partial set or mixing  batteries  from the
different chemical  systems exposes the device to  the possibility
of electrolyte  leakage and damage through  over-discharge  of the
lower capacity batteries.

  Translation: Alkalines suffer from cell reversal and will explode if
  charged in the reverse direction.

c. Advise  the consumer that batteries that are  not specifically
designed to  be recharged can leak and in, some cases,  rupture if
recharged.

  Translation: They  will explode.

  On the  Alkaline Applications page, they finally come out  and admit
  the danger:

Charging of Primary Batteries

Charging of  primary  batteries may  cause  explosion  or leakage
which may  result in bodily injury.

IF ENERGIZER/EVEREADY PRIMARY BATTERIES ARE SUBJECTED TO ANY FORM
OF RECHARGING, ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT
NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A
PARTICULAR PURPOSE, ARE NULL AND VOID.

  (Sorry - they are shouting, not me:)

Metal-Jacketed Batteries

It is important to note that some batteries have metal jackets.

  (Actually, they all do. But the Alkalines are made of steel  and are
  sealed tight.  Carbon-Zinc have a zinc outer shell and  an insulator
  covering the  top.  The  insulator   will  give  way  with  very low
  pressure, so there is no danger of explosion.)

Proper design  of  devices using these  batteries  should include
electrical isolation  of  the   battery   jacket  from  the device
circuitry to prevent short circuiting.

Short circuits may cause battery explosions or leakage  which may
result in bodily injury.

  
http://data.energizer.com/batteryinfo/application_manuals/cylindrical_alkaline.htm

  Marshall, does this help?

Best Regards,

Mike Monett


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CSMold spore problem

[tdg39]

Mike Monett,

You might consider installing a Ultraviolet light in your forced air system.  
It did the job for us.  No more sneezing or teary eyes in our house.
If you do not have forced air, I understand they have stand alone units that 
you can use anywhere.

Be Well and Prosper,
Terry

Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...

[Marshall Dudley]

Mike Monett wrote:

 Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...
 From: Marshall Dudley
 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:41:21

This guy is claiming to be a Ray-O-Vac engineer? I have my doubts.

   Boy, posting in html sure garbles things.

   Yes, he  is a reliability engineer for batteries, and he  knows what
   he is talking about.

Putting a  partially discharged battery in series  with  good ones
will not  cause a reverse current, but can cause a  current  to be
forced through  it when it becomes totally dead which  might  be a
problem.

   This is exactly the problem. Current flows in the  reverse direction
   as he described. This causes gas to build up. Batteries that are not
   designed for recharging have no way to vent this gas. Eventually the
   battery explodes.

How could the current flow backwards when you have cells in series and none are 
backwards. If it
reveresed in one of the cells it would have to reverse in all the cells, and 
energy would be
going into all the cells, which would require an external power source. It is 
physically
impossible.  If you find a way, let me know, I could use a free energy machine.



To get  a  reverse current requires the  battery  to  be installed
backwards, or in parallel with one or more batteries that  are not
discharged. Out  of  3 possibilities, he chose  the  one  that was
wrong.

   No. When  the batteries are in series, the  strong  batteries charge
   the weak one in the reverse direction. This is called cell reversal.

   If the  battery is not designed for recharging,  gas  buildup causes
   the battery to explode.

Regular batteries are in a steel can also for most types,  such as
a C or D cell. He should know that if he is a battery engineer.

Marshall

   As he described, carbon-zinc batteries have a zinc outer shell. Here
   is a picture from the Energizer site:

   http://data.energizer.com/batteryinfo/cross_sections_for_manuals/cs1215.pdf

Carbon-zinc cells have always had a zinc outer shell which is part of the 
battery itself and
disappears as the cell is used. Cells use to have this as the outer shell until 
the mid 50's and
would always leak after discharge. In the 50's  when leakproof batteries were 
introduced they
started putting the entire thing inside a steel shell. If you were alive then, 
they even
advertised encased in steel for a while.

I have some old leakproof carbon zinc batteries around, and they definitely 
have a steel case on
them.  Looking at the pdf file, it seems that they have replaced the steel case 
with a plastic
case.  If so, we are both wrong now, it is neither zinc nor steel but plastic. 
Having not bought
carbon zinc batteries for many years I was unaware that some manufacturers have 
replaced the
steel outer case with plastic.  I believe the lantern batteries are still using 
steel though.

Marshall


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Re: CSCataracts

[Brickeyk]

In a message dated 6/22/2003 11:21:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
ccr...@adelphia.net writes:

 **  Oh dear.  I don't think I would consult this person very much for
 health purposes.
 Either that, or I'd make damn sure I stopped feeding the dog Crisco ;-)
 
 

You got your wish as he was arrested and put into jail in Montana for an 
assault incident.  He said the medical establishment was out to shut him down 
prior to his arrest.  He was the airplane pilot that headed Vision Freedom that 
advocated eye exercises to improve eyesight.  Brian Seeverson.  A radical but 
some of his treatments worked.  I tried his eye exercises back in 1997 and did 
improve vision by about 1 diopter out of a correction of 5 diopters.  Not 
enough to stop wearing glasses.  Brian recommended reading Hulda Clarks book 
and 
sold her zapper.  My eyes are still stronger today than 10 years ago, so the 
exercises did help.

If I were to treat Cataracts again I would use flaxseed oil and keep it 
refrigerated, as it turns rancid quick.  The linseed oil did melt the cataracts 
even when it was not refrigerated.  I used less than a 1 ounce bottle.

Dairy farmers treated cataracts in their cows eyes by using powdered sugar.  
My father in law treated all his problem cattle this way.

Brian said that when your body can't eliminate garbage it looks for dump 
sights starting with your chest.  After your chest is full and every other dump 
sight is full it then uses your eye.  You have to correct the cataract, clean 
out other garbage dumps and get your elimination system to use your kidneys.  
Eye surgery does not address the cause of the problem, only the symptom.

Brickey
   

CSCS:Re Linseed oil

[Harold MacDonald]

Boiled linseed oil is linseed oil[Flax oil] with Japan dryers added so it
will dry when applied as a natural oil coating or used in mixing with
paints.This Japan dryer is a chemical which is hazardous to your health if
ingested;however,many many years ago,raw linseed oil was used as a health
supplement,and I,as a kid had to take a tablespoon-ful a day;I don't
remember why,but I think it was a winter tonic.Also along with Sulphur and
molasses,UGH
Harold


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Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V103 #470

[sol]

Charles, and Mike M.
  I was wondering where exactly the mold spores in the environment
are? And whether Mike is having the problem from the actual mold
spores (allergic reaction?) or toxins produced by growing mold?
  Anyway, didn't I read some info from Brooks Bradley about CS killing
these environmental mold spores, and the growing mold?  So, maybe
spray the entire environment with CS? Re-paint everything with latex
paint with CS added? Before CS I had a problem with mold in house
plant soil, and mold growing on the small trays of grass I grow for my
cats. Since adding a little CS to the house plant water, no problems
anymore, and incidentally, no more fruit flies in the houseplants, so
I know CS will kill some molds and inhibit their spores.
  Additionally I saw a news story some years ago, where a house was so
completely full of the mold that it had to be torn down, or maybe they
burned it.
paula
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RE: CSCataracts

[edkas...@pacbell]

I remember back in the 60's an acquainted of mine sold kitchen faucet
screens he bought them at the local hardware store for a buck per dozen. He
then resold them via High Times  magazine of the 60's,  as pipe screens
for like a buck apiece.

Many people today still pay $40 for one ounce of Colloidal Silver in a fancy
bottle from a reputable store. I guess they do not feel comfortable buying
something from someone's garage or basement - unless it was priced right -
so to speak.

It is still easier to pick up a bag of oranges off three grocery shelf then
to pick oranges from the tree in one's back yard.

weird eh,

Ed Kasper LAc., Santa Cruz, CA
(where people spend $2.00 for one avocado)
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  Hi Marv,

  It's my understanding that flaxseed oil and linseed oil are the same
thing. You can spend the long buck and buy flaxseed oil at the health food
store or you can buy the same exact thing at the hardware store for a hell
of a lot less. DMSO is like that. Health food store vs. feed store = big
markup. It's all marketing. I'm sure this won't make me very popular with
some folks on the list but, Oh well.

  The next time you are at the grocery store, look at Tilex. It is watered
down bleach (sodium hypochloride). At the hardware store, look at JASCO
driveway cleaners. It's watered down swimming pool acid (sodium hydroxide).
I think there are only about a dozzen or so chemicals that the public are
allowed to buy and they are sold under hundreds if not thousands of
different trade names.

  There are probably issues about purity, but consider the source. Most of
the stuff out there  comes from the same vat. It has water and die added to
it and a new smaller container and a very expensive lable.

  Best wishes,
  Andy

  From: Marv Hacker

  Hi, Brickey,

  I gather that you actually
  used linseed
  oil. I do not know much about these oils. Are you saying
  that:
  + flaxseed oil would be
  preferred,
  + either oil would work fine,
  + or that the two oils are actually the
  same.

  Thanks,
:) Marv


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Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...

[Dean Miller]

Hi Mike,

Marshall's entirely correct.

Current can't flow both directions in a series circuit at the same
time.  Cell reversal cannot happen except as Marshall described.

But ... I haven't figured out if such a condition could occur with a
dead battery connected between two good batteries in an *open*
circuit.

On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:38:16 -0400, Mike Monett
3hg0lm...@sneakemail.com wrote:

Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...
From: Marshall Dudley
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:41:21

   Putting a  partially discharged battery in series  with  good ones
   will not  cause a reverse current, but can cause a  current  to be
   forced through  it when it becomes totally dead which  might  be a
   problem.

  This is exactly the problem. Current flows in the  reverse direction
  as he described. This causes gas to build up. Batteries that are not
  designed for recharging have no way to vent this gas. Eventually the
  battery explodes.

   To get  a  reverse current requires the  battery  to  be installed
   backwards, or in parallel with one or more batteries that  are not
   discharged. Out  of  3 possibilities, he chose  the  one  that was
   wrong.

  No. When  the batteries are in series, the  strong  batteries charge
  the weak one in the reverse direction. This is called cell reversal.

  If the  battery is not designed for recharging,  gas  buildup causes
  the battery to explode.

-- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF


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CSLED therapy shows promise in studies

[jrowland]

June 23, 2003 
Researchers aboard a San Diego-based nuclear submarine 
are treating wounds with a healing energy from an 
unlikely source: light-emitting diodes...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B58321605
or:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/mon/news/news_1n23light.html
jr


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Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...

[Mike Monett]

url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60591.html
Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...
From: Marshall Dudley
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:03:31

   How could the current flow backwards when you have cells in series
   and none  are  backwards. If it reveresed in one of  the  cells it
   would have to reverse in all the cells, and energy would  be going
   into all the cells, which would require an external  power source.
   It is  physically  impossible. If you find a way, let  me  know, I
   could use a free energy machine.

  Marshall,

  I know what your mental block is, and I'm trying to figure out a way
  around it.

  Let's pretend one of the batteries is dead. The current in  a series
  circuit is everywhere the same.

  Then it  doesn't  matter what the original polarity  of  the battery
  was. It is now just a chemical cell.

  In a  battery, the current flows though the electrolyte in  the form
  of ions, not as electrons.

  The current that is flowing through the circuit is now  the opposite
  of the  original process that gave the battery energy, and  the ions
  now go in the direction that charges the battery in reverse.

  This generates gas, which the battery is not designed to handle.

  If this doesn't help, why don't you write Energizer and ask them?

Best Regards,

Mike Monett


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Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V103 #470

[CKing001]

On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:13:40 -0400, Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net wrote:

come on list; what can mike do to get rid of these spores??

I have an Aranizer electronic air purifier and I'd recommend it if I were Mike.
http://www.aranizer.com/

I got it for mold in a poorly ventilated bedroom.

Chuck

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Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...

[Mike Monett]

url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60594.html
Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...
From: Mike Monett
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:41:21

  Man, that sure is tricky. Let me try it again.

  The battery is dead. Current is flowing through it.

  Any current  though  the cell charges it.  It  doesn't  matter which
  direction.

  The ions do their thing.

  It generates gas.

  It is not designed to handle the pressure.

Best Regards,

Mike Monett


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CSPancreatic cancer

[nancymike]

Hi,
I've had such great results with CS IV's for my MS.  I'm wondering if there is 
any thought of what it might do for someone with pancreatic cancer?  any 
thoughts for my friend? 
Nancy

CSFw: treating mange

[julie]

 hello all,
 my grandson age 2y 9mos has contracted mange from a stray dog.  he
 has had a large bald spot on the side of his head for months and
several
 smaller ones.  at first we thought it was ringworm and treated it with
 over the counter antifungals. we also tried cs topically, though his
mother is not particularly consistant.
 when we realized the puppy had mange we
 treated him with 2 shots of ivermecton (sp) one week apart and the pup
 was cured.  i currently have access to these shots, but have been
 reluctant to use them on the child because this child had severe
 reactions to immunizations and was hospitalized.  we have also tried a
 topical liquid from the feed store, but the smell is such that the
child
 becomes ill and headachy.  he went to the doctor today who prescribed
 Grifulvin-v also know as Griseofulvin (an antifungal).
  the doctor is concerned about using this medication orally for
more
 than 2 mos as it can cause liver problems and reaction to the sun as
 well as many possible side effects.  however, this medication ususally
 takes at leas 2 mos to work and he (doctor) too is concerned about this
 child having a reaction.
i thought that perhaps members of this group would have some ideas
 as to other, more natural and less dangerous options to try before we
 give this oral prescription.
 thanks in advance for sharing your wisdom.
 blessings,
 julie m



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CSVoltage source vs load; was Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...

[cvincer]

The batteries in series is not a straight series circuit.  The reason is 
that there are voltage sources in series.  The less charged battery acts as 
a load and the more charged batteries act as sources.  The less charged 
battey acts as a resister and would then consume power and dissipate it as 
heat.  The current would still be going in the same direction, but it would 
heat up the less charged battery.


Mike, does this sound right? 

I'm not an engineer, but I was an electrician in the Navy, and am at this 
moment taking a break from preparing to teach basic electrical theory to 
students where I work.  This differnece between sources and loads is 
precisely what I have to keep clear to my students.  The big lead acid 
batteries display this characteristic if one cell is below the charge of the 
rest of the bank for some reason.  It can be a problem. 

Now with parrallel batteries, I could see the charge effect which would also 
produce heat for a different reason (different chemical reaction in reverse 
of the reaction during discharge). 

Vince 

Mike Monett writes: 


url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60591.html
Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...
From: Marshall Dudley
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:03:31 


   How could the current flow backwards when you have cells in series
   and none  are  backwards. If it reveresed in one of  the  cells it
   would have to reverse in all the cells, and energy would  be going
   into all the cells, which would require an external  power source.
   It is  physically  impossible. If you find a way, let  me  know, I
   could use a free energy machine. 

  Marshall, 


  I know what your mental block is, and I'm trying to figure out a way
  around it. 


  Let's pretend one of the batteries is dead. The current in  a series
  circuit is everywhere the same. 


  Then it  doesn't  matter what the original polarity  of  the battery
  was. It is now just a chemical cell. 


  In a  battery, the current flows though the electrolyte in  the form
  of ions, not as electrons. 


  The current that is flowing through the circuit is now  the opposite
  of the  original process that gave the battery energy, and  the ions
  now go in the direction that charges the battery in reverse. 

  This generates gas, which the battery is not designed to handle. 

  If this doesn't help, why don't you write Energizer and ask them? 

Best Regards, 


Mike Monett




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Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...

[Dean Miller]

Hi Mike,

Umm, okay.  I wasn't aware that current flowing through a battery, in
the forward direction, did anything -- chemically.  I haven't found
that to be the case with flooded lead-acid batteries.

On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:55:18 -0400, Mike Monett
3hg0lm...@sneakemail.com wrote:

  The battery is dead. Current is flowing through it.

  Any current  though  the cell charges it.  It  doesn't  matter which
  direction.

  The ions do their thing.

  It generates gas.

  It is not designed to handle the pressure.

-- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF


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Re: CSCataracts

[shirley holder]

Please, how is the treatment done?  Is is put into the eyes
in its solid form and how long is it to stay in the eyes?  Does
the eyes need to be bandaged? and when the process/treatment
is done, how do you remove the remaining crisco from the eyes?
I was diagnosised with cateracts a couple of months ago and I
want to try this procedure before my eyes get any worse and
then I may need to have surgery to remove the cateracts.  Thanks
for any help.
shirquinson

PS MY MOM JUST HAD CATARACT SURGERY AND SHE DOES
HAVE ARTERIORSCLEROTIC DISEASE (PARDON THE SPELLING)
OR THE EQUIVALENT OF FAT DEPOSITS IN HER VEINS. THIS
MIGHT THEREFORE BE SOUND REASONING, BUT NOT CORRECT
TREATMENT.COMMENTS??

HE SAID:
The guy who told me about linseed oil said that most cataracts
 were deposits of a cooking grease called CRISCO and any good oil would  
dissolve it. He said that when your body dumped CRISCO in your eye, all other 
dumps are full (like your chest) so you also have to do some cleaning in other 
places besides the eye. I still have some lumps in my chest but I got rid of 
most of them by doing kidney cleanses.

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Re: CSFw: treating mange

[Bill Missett]

Try applying lime juice 2-3 times daily, direct from the cut lime onto the
affected area. until gone.  Works for me.


- Original Message -
From: julie wolfp...@digitex.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 4:48 PM
Subject: CSFw: treating mange




  hello all,
  my grandson age 2y 9mos has contracted mange from a stray dog.  he
  has had a large bald spot on the side of his head for months and
 several
  smaller ones.  at first we thought it was ringworm and treated it with
  over the counter antifungals. we also tried cs topically, though his
 mother is not particularly consistant.
  when we realized the puppy had mange we
  treated him with 2 shots of ivermecton (sp) one week apart and the pup
  was cured.  i currently have access to these shots, but have been
  reluctant to use them on the child because this child had severe
  reactions to immunizations and was hospitalized.  we have also tried a
  topical liquid from the feed store, but the smell is such that the
 child
  becomes ill and headachy.  he went to the doctor today who prescribed
  Grifulvin-v also know as Griseofulvin (an antifungal).
   the doctor is concerned about using this medication orally for
 more
  than 2 mos as it can cause liver problems and reaction to the sun as
  well as many possible side effects.  however, this medication ususally
  takes at leas 2 mos to work and he (doctor) too is concerned about this
  child having a reaction.
 i thought that perhaps members of this group would have some ideas
  as to other, more natural and less dangerous options to try before we
  give this oral prescription.
  thanks in advance for sharing your wisdom.
  blessings,
  julie m



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CSKilling mold spores

[patriot2000]

I have been getting the silver list for awhile -- trying to get up my
courage to buy a CS generator and make some. All the posts here
make it sound pretty complicated for someone who is an utter novice, but
I keep on reading and one of these days I hope to try it.
Meanwhile...

The plea for a remedy for spores caught my eye today. This
information may be helpful for Mike:

There is a product called Triple Action 20, and you can read about
how to order it at
www.spray-n-grow.com

I have used it for years with great success to combat garden funguses,
but it is also useful for combatting mold and mildew in the home. 
I have read in the flyer that accompanied the bottle that hospitals use
it, and you can even launder baby's diapers in it, so it is pretty safe
to use. And it is used to clean boats, or you can add it to latex
paint to retard mildew, etc. Their catalog says:

Get rid of fungus, mildew, algae, germs and odor
within 20 minutes of application with this highly effective
fungicide/algaecide. Triple Action 20 biodegrades within 24-48
hours and leaves no ridsidual in your soil or on your plants. It's
the only fungicide we've found that meets our tough standards for
effectiveness and safety. Spray Triple Action 20 on the leaves of
your plants at the first sign of infestation. Wipe down all
indoor and outdoor surfaces and gardening tools with Triple Action 20 to
disinfect on a regular basis. Spray or sponge Triple Action 20 onto
any surface to kill mildew and algae. (16 ounce bottle makes up
to 96 gallons and gallon makes up to 768 gallons. 

16 ounces is $12, or two or 21.90
gallon is $49.95

I hope this information is helpful. And that this is the
correct way to add a post to the silver list, which I sometimes find
confusing in its format.

Sincerely,

Marlys




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Re: CSPancreatic cancer

[NebMikey]

.  I'm wondering if there is any thought of what it might do for someone with 
pancreatic cancer?  any thoughts for my friend? 
Nancy

Nancy...  Its kind of off topic, but if it hasnt come up already, I would 
very strongly urge your friend to look in to taking high doses of proteolytic 
enzymes.  There are several good products to be had, but something like 
Wobenzym 
N would be a good place to start.  As long as they're enteric coated and taken 
between meals, you're headed in the right direction.  The bottle directs 3 
tablets taken twice a day -- but for a situation like this, the protocol would 
more likely be for something on the order of 10-12 tablets (possibly more), 
three times per day (on an empty stomach).  It can get expensive, but Wobenzym 
can be had in 800 count bottles for about $75-80.

Best wishes to your friend!

Mike

CSmange

[Shirley Reed]

   CS with DMSO in a 50/50 mix is good for lots of things on a person' outside. 
 Might work.  


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Re: CSVoltage source vs load;

[Mike Monett]

url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60602.html
CSVoltage source vs load;
was Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...
From: cvincer
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:25:27

   The batteries  in  series is not a  straight  series  circuit. The
   reason is  that  there  are voltage sources  in  series.  The less
   charged battery acts as a load and the more charged  batteries act
   as sources.  The less charged battey acts as a resister  and would
   then consume  power  and dissipate it as heat.  The  current would
   still be  going  in the same direction, but it would  heat  up the
   less charged battery.

   Mike, does this sound right?

  Yes, what  you  say is true. But as an instructor,  you  have  to be
  careful of falling into traps.

  When these  occur, you can be correct and argue youself blue in the
  face.

  Your students will not believe you.

  You have  to  ask  them questions and let  them  figure  it  out for
  themself.

  When they arrive at the answer, they  will think they thought of it 
  themself and you are a very dumb instructor.

  That's fine. Just smile. You have done your job.

  They are thinking, and that is the only thing that counts.

  Now to apply this philosophy to my own case

Best Regards,

Mike Monett


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CSstirring motors

[Reid Harvey]

CSers and Patriots,
Can someone please give me specs for the little stirring device?  I'm
interested for the generator that uses three nine volt batteries,
producing half a liter of CS at a time.

My undertanding is that one type of stirring device consists of a top
mounted motor with rotating plastic shaft and a paddle at the bottom.
What I need to know is the specs for the motor, and would there be a
resistor, and how many ohms?  And I assume a potentiometer, or better
yet something that fixes the rate of stirring.  All the details would be
much obliged.

I feel sure this information has been posted here before, but up to now
it's something I would have ignored.
Thanks,
Reid



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Re: CSstirring motors

[Robert Berger]

Reid,

I always use the 1 1/2 v dc motors as found in toys. RAdio shack sells them
as does All Electroncis. Cost from $0.50 to $1.50. Use a D cell and three
10 ohms in parallel to slow it down. A 3 piece of #14 plastic coated house
wire with a slight bend in the end does a good job. Remove about 1/4 of
copper from one end and the empty plastic will push on to the motor shaft.

Glue motor to plastic lid.

Ole Bob




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Re: CSFw: treating mange

[Charles Sutton]

I cured mange on a dog that had it from head to toe, and nose to tail.
Almost no hair left.  within less that a week, after spraying Garlic juice
made in a blender and applied with a garden pressure sprayer, she was
growing hair again.

This time I used nothing but CS on a hot spot, (looks like mange only on a
small spot).  I was pretty diligent, I carried a nasal spray plastic bottle
in my pocked, and sprayed the spot everytime our paths crossed.  It took
about a week, but finally disappeared.

- Original Message - 
From: julie wolfp...@digitex.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 5:48 PM
Subject: CSFw: treating mange


 hello all,
  my grandson age 2y 9mos has contracted mange from a stray dog.  he
  has had a large bald spot on the side of his head for months and
 several
  smaller ones.  at first we thought it was ringworm and treated it with
  over the counter antifungals. we also tried cs topically, though his
 mother is not particularly consistant.
  when we realized the puppy had mange we
  treated him with 2 shots of ivermecton (sp) one week apart and the pup
  was cured.  i currently have access to these shots, but have been
  reluctant to use them on the child because this child had severe
  reactions to immunizations and was hospitalized.  we have also tried a
  topical liquid from the feed store, but the smell is such that the
 child
  becomes ill and headachy.  he went to the doctor today who prescribed
  Grifulvin-v also know as Griseofulvin (an antifungal).
   the doctor is concerned about using this medication orally for
 more
  than 2 mos as it can cause liver problems and reaction to the sun as
  well as many possible side effects.  however, this medication ususally
  takes at leas 2 mos to work and he (doctor) too is concerned about this
  child having a reaction.
 i thought that perhaps members of this group would have some ideas
  as to other, more natural and less dangerous options to try before we
  give this oral prescription.
  thanks in advance for sharing your wisdom.
  blessings,
  julie m



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Re: CSCataracts/OT

[TJ Garland]

Can anyone confirm?--- I think I read that the French underground (WW2) 
poured linseed oil into Nazi vehicle crankcases and they seized up in a 
couple thousand miles. Anyone? Oops--go off topic.


TJ Garland, CMO supplier
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From: ascottsil...@aol.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCataracts
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 01:12:18 EDT

Hi Marv,

It's my understanding that flaxseed oil and linseed oil are the same thing.
You can spend the long buck and buy flaxseed oil at the health food store 
or
you can buy the same exact thing at the hardware store for a hell of a lot 
less.

DMSO is like that. Health food store vs. feed store = big markup. It's all
marketing. I'm sure this won't make me very popular with some folks on the 
list

but, Oh well.

The next time you are at the grocery store, look at Tilex. It is watered 
down

bleach (sodium hypochloride). At the hardware store, look at JASCO driveway
cleaners. It's watered down swimming pool acid (sodium hydroxide). I think
there are only about a dozzen or so chemicals that the public are allowed 
to buy

and they are sold under hundreds if not thousands of different trade names.

There are probably issues about purity, but consider the source. Most of 
the
stuff out there  comes from the same vat. It has water and die added to it 
and

a new smaller container and a very expensive lable.

Best wishes,
Andy

From: Marv Hacker

Hi, Brickey,

   I gather that you actually
used linseed
oil. I do not know much about these oils. Are you saying
that:
+ flaxseed oil would be
preferred,
+ either oil would work fine,
+ or that the two oils are actually the
same.

Thanks,
 :) Marv



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CSre: cataracts

[Duncan Crow]

On my website there's a study of several cataract patients who underwent 
antioxidant therapy by using cold-processed whey isolate and selenium. 
The cataracts, which are caused by oxidative stress (free radical 
damage), can't get worse when the correct antioxidants are used.

This does point to toxin/free radical burden kidneys are the second 
largest users of glutathione after only the liver, another detox organ, 
and the lungs, exposed to lots of toxins, are the third biggest 
glutathione users.

Duncan Crow


 Brian said that when your body can't eliminate garbage it looks for 
dump
 sights starting with your chest.  After your chest is full and every 
other
 dump sight is full it then uses your eye.  You have to correct the
 cataract, clean out other garbage dumps and get your elimination system 
to
 use your kidneys.  Eye surgery does not address the cause of the 
problem,
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Re: CSFw: treating mange

[sol]

Why not try CS with a few drops of DMSO added applied topically? This
is reported to have been a cure for ringworm, wouldn't it be likely to
help mange? If you try it, I've read you must apply it well out past
the margins of the affected spots (for ringworm).
paula



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CS Finger Regrowth

[Peter Rebaudo]

Hi:

For finger tip regrowth info see patent # 5,814,094

http://www.uspto.gov/patft/

Peter R


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Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...

[TJ Garland]

Mike --I would crank up an Alpine ozone/neg ion generator. I would also use 
a neti cup to infuse a .1M sol of xylitol/CS  tid. It would help.


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From: Mike Monett 3hg0lm...@sneakemail.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:33:05 -0400

url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60548.html
Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...
From: M. G. Devour
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:14:16

   With all due respect...

   Ah, but  where  was  the respect  in  your  knee-jerk  response to
   Jason's tutorial pages, Mike?

   [Snipped... references  which   amply   justify  concern  for user
   safety, which Jason is taking to heart and acting upon.]

   Behold, yet another useful contribution.

   Now, could  you  have expressed  your  concern  differently? Jason
   happens to be mellow enough to learn from your remarks  and ignore
   the ridicule.  Lucky  you and lucky  us.  Despite  your assaultive
   behavior some good has come of it.

   The principle contributors here are *not* total idiots, and should
   not be treated as such. Any mistakes they might be making are just
   that, mistakes, and not indicative of deep seated character flaws,
   nefarious intentions, nor incurable incompetence.

   In some realms these people have things to teach you.

   Let me  put my concern another way. You and all the  other members
   are  my   guests   here.   Totally   aside   from   your technical
   contributions, I expect you, and all, to treat your  fellow guests
   with respect  and  reasonable  care for  their  feelings  and self
   respect.

   Mike Devour
   silver-list owner

  Yes Mike, Thank you for your kindness.

  You and  the  others live in a normal world. I  used  to  live there
  also.

  Now, I  live in a world dominated by mold spores. You  have  no idea
  how difficult  it is to focus with the pounding  headaches,  or what
  the toxins do to your mind. You only function on the  most primitive
  of levels.

  When I saw what Jason was doing, the alarm bells went off in my head
  screaming danger. I knew what shorting a battery stack could do, but
  would have to search for the references and find the ones that would
  make the most sense.

  Meanwhile I had to alert the others. The mold makes it impossible to
  write. You cannot remember words. I did the best I could.

  All winter  I longed for summer so I could open the windows  and let
  the spores out.

  I live  in Ottawa, Canada. The snow is gone and it  has  turned warm
  and humid. There are more spores outside than there were inside.

  I may not last the summer. I know I will not last another winter. No
  one can withstand this brutal punishment.

  The spores  are  killing me, Mike. I will be so  grateful  when that
  finally happens.

  Meanwhile, I will try to help as best I can. That is the only thing
  that takes my mind off the pain.

  Thank you, Mike.

Best Regards,

Mike Monett


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Re: CSMold Spores

[Mike Monett]

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CSMold Spores
From: Charles Sutton
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:31:35

   How 'bout it list; what can Mike do to get rid of those spores??

  Charles,

  Thank you  and the others for kind suggestions. I have  explored all
  avenues open to me.

  Spores are  a  necessary  part of life.  Without  them  we  would be
  drowning in a sea of old organic matter.

  The problem  is not to reduce the number of spores. We live  in this
  environment and everyone has to adapt.

  The problem  is when the immune system goes haywire  and  treats the
  most minor concentration as a deadly attack. It overreacts,  and the
  consequences are harmful.

  I am  trying to teach my immune system that normal is  OK  and don't
  get excited about it.

  This is not easy. Garlic helps but has side effects. In  addition to
  the bad  breath,  it  destroys the friendly  bacteria  you  need for
  digestion.

  But it  is  the  only thing I have  found  that  has  any beneficial
  effect on mold spores.

  I am grateful for your help and kind wishes.

  The amazing  thing  about  being focused on  helping  others  is you
  forget how  to help yourself. Many famous people have  exhibited the
  same symptoms.  It  doesn't help if you have a  talent  that someone
  needs, but you die before they find out about it.

  There is a holistic school here in Ottawa. This was a thread  on the
  list time  ago  about it. I wish to thank the lady  who  posted, and
  remembered that I thought it might be a good idea to contact them.

  I forgot. Not unusual with toxic mold running your life.

  But now that you reminded me, I will try again.

  Thank you for your kind thoughts.

Best Regards,

Mike Monett


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Re: CSCataracts

[Charles Sutton]

In the book DMSO Natures Healer by Dr. Morton Walker it is stated on pages 68 
and 69 that one drop of dmso directly onto the eyeball daily will clear 
cataracts.  Also was combined with SOD (superoxide dismutase) don't take this 
as a prescription,  the book is widely available, please do your own research 
and make up your own mind..
  - Original Message - 
  From: shirley holder 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:12 PM
  Subject: Re: CSCataracts


  Please, how is the treatment done?  Is is put into the eyes
  in its solid form and how long is it to stay in the eyes?  Does
  the eyes need to be bandaged? and when the process/treatment
  is done, how do you remove the remaining crisco from the eyes?
  I was diagnosised with cateracts a couple of months ago and I
  want to try this procedure before my eyes get any worse and
  then I may need to have surgery to remove the cateracts.  Thanks
  for any help.
  shirquinson

  PS MY MOM JUST HAD CATARACT SURGERY AND SHE DOES
  HAVE ARTERIORSCLEROTIC DISEASE (PARDON THE SPELLING)
  OR THE EQUIVALENT OF FAT DEPOSITS IN HER VEINS. THIS
  MIGHT THEREFORE BE SOUND REASONING, BUT NOT CORRECT
  TREATMENT.COMMENTS??

  HE SAID:
  The guy who told me about linseed oil said that most cataracts
   were deposits of a cooking grease called CRISCO and any good oil would  
dissolve it. He said that when your body dumped CRISCO in your eye, all other 
dumps are full (like your chest) so you also have to do some cleaning in other 
places besides the eye. I still have some lumps in my chest but I got rid of 
most of them by doing kidney cleanses.

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Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...

[David Bearrow]

At 01:03 PM 6/23/03, you wrote:

How could the current flow backwards when you have cells in series and 
none are backwards. If it
reveresed in one of the cells it would have to reverse in all the cells, 
and energy would be
going into all the cells, which would require an external power source. It 
is physically
impossible.  If you find a way, let me know, I could use a free energy 
machine.


I'm a power engineer for ATT. Cells DO reverse. Usually its caused by deep 
discharge of a cell. When one cell in a string drops in voltage below the 
voltage of the cell before it and behind it in the string then the other 
cells try to bring its voltage up. This causes current to flow the other 
direction from the cell in front and the cell behind the cell experiencing 
cell reversal in an attempt to equalize the voltage. When this occurs 
usually the cell is so damaged it is unable to be charge up and instead it 
heats up trying and may blow up if the gasses it produces are unable to 
vent quickly enough.


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CSRe: Long, Boring - Calculations

[Mike Monett]

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CSRe: Long, Boring - Calculations
From: AScottSilver
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:31:40

   Hi Mike,

  Hi Andy,

  [...]

   Anyhow, in your recent post, you suggested a W  shaped electrode
   and a  small drinking glass. I was thinking of a quart  mason jar.
   Something that  would  be  better equipped to  take  a  U shaped
   electrode. I'm  thinking that the shape doesn't matter as  long as
   the surface area and the spacing are the same.

  I think you are right - the wetted area is what counts, and  a shape
  similar to a W gets the most wetted area in the smallest space. Of
  course, you could fold it more times.

  But why do you want to make so much? You only need a little  if it's
  done right.

  A quart would take a long time to make at these currents.

   You also mentioned that the spacing between the electrodes doesn't
   matter that  much.  Without  agitation  of  the  water,  isn't the
   concentration of  silver between the electrodes going  to  be much
   higher then behind them?

  When the  production rate of ions is very slow,  they  have more
  chance to disperse through normal diffusion, and have  less tendency
  to crowd and form particles. Diffusion is the effect you  see when
  you put a drop of ink in water. Pretty soon, the water is  a uniform
  shade. The ions do the same thing.

  With a  long brew time, the natural changes in room  temperature set
  up slow convection currents. These also help disperse the ions.

  I believe Ken or Robert mentioned this some time ago.

   I've got the variable voltage, current limiting power supplies and
   5 1/2  digit  HP DVMs that I use at home. I'm just  trying  to put
   together something  for a simple person. No meters, no  salt test,

  How are you going to verify your results and tell when you are going
  in the  right direction? Without some kind of test, you  are working
  in the dark and just wasting your time.

  The salt test is cheap and never goes out of calibration.  There are
  only two indications that are important:

A pale  blue  dispersion indicates ions are  present,  but  at low
concentration. From what I can gather, the ppm may be around 10 or
so. This is typical of the results you get running at high current
density. This seems to work well on bacteria.

When you see white clouds growing from the bottom with wisps going
off in  different directions, the concentration is  quite  good. I
estimate the ppm to be a bit less than 20 on my system. This seems
to work well on viruses.

  Once you try this you will see how easy it is to tell good from bad.

   just make  the stuff and drink it. I was thinking  of  spacing the
   two U shaped electrodes at about 1 1/2 inches apart.

   I can  hook it up to batteries or a wall transformer. I can  put a
   resistor in  series  or  just   tell   them  it's  ready  when the
   electordes turn  black. I just need to keep this  simple.  What do
   you think?

  Please put  a  resistor  in series. Whether  you  are  using  a wall
  transformer or batteries. Short circuits are such a bad idea.

  If that is all you need, then go for it. But unless you are  able to
  test the result, you really don't have any idea what is happening.

  You will end up asking everyone what went wrong. They won't  be able
  to help  you, since they will not understand your  process.  I would
  not respond to such ill-formed questions. Let some else do it.

  I considered using a wall transformer with the simple  cs generator.
  The problem is they are not designed to run at very low  current and
  may produce  a much higher voltage than stated on the  case.  I have
  some that are wildly wrong, and each one is different.

  This makes it difficult to standardize the series  resistance needed
  for the  generator. People would have to measure the  output voltage
  of their transformer and calculate the resistor.

  This would  lead  to  all kinds of  mistakes.  People  would  do the
  calculation wrong.  They would pick the wrong  value  resistor. They
  would not be able to tell there was an error.

  The cs would be very weak, or there would be a lot of  black sludge.
  The same problems with the Hanna PWT would come up.  Everybody would
  get a different answer. Nobody would believe the process works.

  I could add a load resistor on the output of the transformer  to try
  to guarantee  the output voltage, but it is difficult  to  know what
  load current  is required. The load resistor might be  different for
  each wall transformer. The resistor might get hot and require a heat
  sink. Where are you going to put it?

  I could  specify  using a small bulb, but it would  have  to  be 12V
  There are  no 9V bulbs as far as I know. Again, it may get  hot, how
  are you going to mount it, and how do you change it if it  burns out
  or breaks?  What do you do with the broken pieces? Things  like this
  are extremely 

CSquestions

[Leslie]

Was reading Duncan's message and he mentioned
glutationine and would like to learn more about this.
Heard it was good to help get metals out along with
Lipolic Acid and C. Also, if filters destroyed for
kidneys, is there any way to restore kidneys. Or, what
will help kidneys to function properly? Any advice
would be appreciated as finances are low and need lots
of things to restore one in bad health. Thanks, Leslie
Also wondering if CS would help for any of the above.


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Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...

[Jason Eaton]

Mike:

If you'd like some assistance with these mold spores, perhaps I can help.
I've been working with an individual who has five lethal variations, and it
appears like she's turned the tide.

You'll certainly need an nebulizer, preferably an oxygen nebulizer.  You'll
need to be aggressive with your colloidal silver use via the nebulizer, and
there are some other supplements that would be extraordinarily advantageous;
If you'd like, I'll access my archives and post what has thusfar been
successful for this individual.

Best Regards,

Jason

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From: Mike Monett 3hg0lm...@sneakemail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...


 url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60548.html
 Re: CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett...
 From: M. G. Devour
 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:14:16

With all due respect...

Ah, but  where  was  the respect  in  your  knee-jerk  response to
Jason's tutorial pages, Mike?

[Snipped... references  which   amply   justify  concern  for user
safety, which Jason is taking to heart and acting upon.]

Behold, yet another useful contribution.

Now, could  you  have expressed  your  concern  differently? Jason
happens to be mellow enough to learn from your remarks  and ignore
the ridicule.  Lucky  you and lucky  us.  Despite  your assaultive
behavior some good has come of it.

The principle contributors here are *not* total idiots, and should
not be treated as such. Any mistakes they might be making are just
that, mistakes, and not indicative of deep seated character flaws,
nefarious intentions, nor incurable incompetence.

In some realms these people have things to teach you.

Let me  put my concern another way. You and all the  other members
are  my   guests   here.   Totally   aside   from   your technical
contributions, I expect you, and all, to treat your  fellow guests
with respect  and  reasonable  care for  their  feelings  and self
respect.

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

   Yes Mike, Thank you for your kindness.

   You and  the  others live in a normal world. I  used  to  live there
   also.

   Now, I  live in a world dominated by mold spores. You  have  no idea
   how difficult  it is to focus with the pounding  headaches,  or what
   the toxins do to your mind. You only function on the  most primitive
   of levels.

   When I saw what Jason was doing, the alarm bells went off in my head
   screaming danger. I knew what shorting a battery stack could do, but
   would have to search for the references and find the ones that would
   make the most sense.

   Meanwhile I had to alert the others. The mold makes it impossible to
   write. You cannot remember words. I did the best I could.

   All winter  I longed for summer so I could open the windows  and let
   the spores out.

   I live  in Ottawa, Canada. The snow is gone and it  has  turned warm
   and humid. There are more spores outside than there were inside.

   I may not last the summer. I know I will not last another winter. No
   one can withstand this brutal punishment.

   The spores  are  killing me, Mike. I will be so  grateful  when that
   finally happens.

   Meanwhile, I will try to help as best I can. That is the only thing
   that takes my mind off the pain.

   Thank you, Mike.

 Best Regards,

 Mike Monett


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CSRe: Cataracts

[AScottSilver]

Dear Jack,

Please don't ask my advice about supplements. My advice would be Don't take 
them, you probably don't need them. I doubt that is the kind of advice you 
would want to hear.

Best regards,
Andy (^_^)

From: Jack Dayton 

I'll remember never to ask your advice about

suppliments.



A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.



Jack

Re: CSmold spore problem

[Rich Adams]

I wonder if a couple of these scattered about the house will help, using CS
of course...

http://www.mainlandmart.com/foggers.html


Rich Adams

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   Now, I  live in a world dominated by mold spores.



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Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux

[nancymike]

My doctor, along with natural immunogenics and I have been working on
establishing protocols.  I have personally had IV's of CS in June and July
2002, and again this past June and July.  It has been great in regards to my
MS.
Nancy
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From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:27 AM
Subject: RE: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux



 Hello Jason,

 Yes,  It is one thing to theorize at a distance; another to stand there
 looking at the terribly ill person and weigh all the factors.

 Does anyone know if IV CS is against established protocols? Vets have used
 it successfully against Eastern Equine Encephalitis.   Two 1500 ml doses
of
 15 ppm. The horse lived, with no apparent neuro damage.

 JOH

 -Original Message-
 From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@cox.net]
 Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:59 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux



 Hi James:

 Yes, there is no reason that CS cannot be added to electrolytes already
 being given ( that I am aware of ).  In fact, some MD's utilize CS
combined
 WITH antibiotics.

 Saline is not ideal to use as a buffer, although I have not yet been able
to
 figure out what is being used in its place. ( It is acceptable though ).

 Even dead bacteria can be dangerous when injected into the bloodstream.
The
 air is nowhere near sterile.

 I am not aware of the same concerns being an issue intramuscularly.

 Oral use of CS, I agree, would be a precursor to IV use in the ideal
 situation.

 MD's do not have the legal right to act against established methods, even
in
 acts of desperation.  It may be alright for an MD to utilize silver in a
 case of desperation, but even if signed consent forms are signed, and a
 doctor ignores established protocols, it can still be viewed as criminal
 malpractice.  Knowingly injecting an improperly prepared substance into
the
 bloodstream is such a situation.

 I'm all for nebulizing in the face of any airborne infection.  However,
I'm
 not under the same constraints that MD's would be in in a hospital
 environment.

 For some reason, doctors, even those experienced in alt med methods ( even
 those who utilize h2o2 IV therapy ) are very intimidated by silver use via
 IV.  Like anything else, I suppose, it would just take some experience and
 walking through the uncomfort zone.

 Best Regards,

 Jason


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 From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:48 PM
 Subject: RE: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux


  Comments in Trem's text.  These speculations are offered as questions
  for discussion, not assertions.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@cox.net]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:04 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS
  Redux
 
 
 
  Trem:
 
  There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for:
 
  1.  Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock
  leading
 to
  death.  The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared
  properly.
 
JOH Why not add it to any electrolytes already being given or give
 Ringers
  and CS?
 
  Why not just make it isotonic with salt, if the volume is low enough
  and prepared electrolyte solutions are not available?
 
  2.  A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause
  death in someone who is already sick.  It is not enough that a sol be
  sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may
  induce a immune response.
 
  JOH A product that is not pyrogen free, certified or not, can be
  deadly. I  How do pyrogens 1, get into carefully made batches of CS,
  2. If pathogens are present, none have been demonstrated to survive
  even concentrations as low as 0.002 PPM (From distant memory,
  check for yourself)  How will they survive 5 PPM and up?
  Sterile equipment is a given.
 
  3.  Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent.  If an
  MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly be
  understandable.
 
  JOH  I agree that to be a serious problem with advanced systemic
  infection of an endotoxin type. Perhaps a protocol can be suggested
  based on the kill rates in broth compared with the success against
  that organism in people.  Perhaps an initially cautious beginning:  a
  very small amount by mouth leading up to larger I V doses when the
  first kill debris has been processed.  It is incredibly potent, and in
  dosages that are an order of magnitude or two, below toxicity.
 
  4.  Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute criminal
  malpractice.  In the US, such an MD without proper justification could
  easily do federal time.
 
  JOH  Not only that, they might hurt somebody.  Don't doctors in
  desperate situations 

CSMigraine update

[Jeff]

Just wanted to give an update on the migraine situation since I got so
many replies from the list. 

My son is doing much better. We found a chiropractor that was willing to
work with us finically ( in fact the x-rays were free and he is not
charging us for therapy ) and after a month there is a vast improvement.
He has only had 2 migraine's in the past 2 weeks. That is down from
daily migraines. He is no longer having to take Motrin on a daily basis.
In fact he has only had 2 doses since 5-20. Life for him is much better.
We also use the ice packs and stretching exercises and they work as
well. The ice packs even work for me as well. When I feel one coming on
I get to the ice pack and so far I have been able to nip it in the bud.
Used to take me 3 days and vicodon just to start getting over it. Thanks
to all who replied for the valuable information that led us to this
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CSCS in the fridge?

[Jeff]

I was wonder what the list think is toward putting CS in the fridge. I
read about it in the archives but it seemed kinda inconclusive and about
2 years old so I thought I better ask what the thinking is at this time.
The reason for the question is that some of my family seems to think
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Re: CSSilver Allergy?

[Frank Cindy Welch]

My Mom wore a bracelet we fashioned out of 24 of . silver for 12 
hours overnight with absolutly no reaction. 


She swished with CS first thing this morning and all is well.

Her allergy to Nickle (we think) is exaclty as you dsescribe in yourself. 


 Still, she is wise to be cautious. What about getting some extra
silver wire, as you would use for the electrodes in making CS (.999 or
.) and making a ring from a bit of it and have her wear that and
see if she reacts? With nickel, I get the bumps, blisters and weeping
sores very fast--about 3 hours in some cases.

She says she can feel the bumps itching under her skin before they break 
out and agreed that some outbreaks could come on very quickly.


Thanks All!

Frank



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Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux

[Jason Eaton]

James:

I've likely seen things in regards to humans and illness that most people
wouldn't want to imagine.

I started studying metaphysical medicine about thirteen years ago.
Circumstances have placed me in very unusual situations for most of my life.

In some cases, I can share things that may help others.  In others, I won't
speak unless I'm actually present to evaluate the situation.

I see a clear distinction between someone taking a journey into healing, and
making that commitment beyond all ideas of fear, with complete and absolute
abandon, and those placing their power in the hands of others out of a sense
of fear.  Both situations are dynamically different, and both situations
need to be handled nearly oppositely.  I don't view either as right or
wrong, only spiritually different places.

Best Regards,

Jason


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 From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net
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 Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:27 AM
 Subject: RE: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux


 
  Hello Jason,
 
  Yes,  It is one thing to theorize at a distance; another to stand there
  looking at the terribly ill person and weigh all the factors.



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Re: CSFw: treating mange:COMMENT

[Brooks Bradley]

Dear Julie,
			If the diagnosis is correctif he, actually, does have mange 
mites, there is a slight variation of the CS X DMSO protocol that may 
yield an order of magnitude increase in the effectivity.
The modification involves preparing a saturated solution of MSM, using a 
10 to 20 ppm CS solution as the parent.  Then diluting the saturated 
MSM-CS 50-50 with DMSO (BY VOLUME).  The increased sulphur fraction 
exhibits a powerful influence on the mange population,   Free sulphur 
and used motor oil has, for many decades, been an effective control for 
mange. During the 1930's and '40s, hunting-dog breeders used it almost 
exclusively.  By the way, it STILL works.  Happy Jack Mange treatment

is, primarily, composed of these two ingredients.
			Additionally, the MSM-cs x DMSO protocol is quite effective in 
alleviating the adverse effects of summer eczema

resulting from flea-based insults.
CS, alone, has displayed to be of small value against mange mites. 
Sulphur, alone, however has dwemonstrated powerful control effects, but 
is a pronounced eye irritant---so care must be taken to mitigate against 
getting sulphur (even tiny amounts) in the eyes.
CS does, however, aid in the control/suppression of infective agents 
occurring as opportunists taking advantage of the mange insult.	

Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.

julie wrote:


 hello all,
 my grandson age 2y 9mos has contracted mange from a stray dog.  he
 has had a large bald spot on the side of his head for months and
several
 smaller ones.  at first we thought it was ringworm and treated it with
 over the counter antifungals. we also tried cs topically, though his
mother is not particularly consistant.
 when we realized the puppy had mange we
 treated him with 2 shots of ivermecton (sp) one week apart and the pup
 was cured.  i currently have access to these shots, but have been
 reluctant to use them on the child because this child had severe
 reactions to immunizations and was hospitalized.  we have also tried a
 topical liquid from the feed store, but the smell is such that the
child
 becomes ill and headachy.  he went to the doctor today who prescribed
 Grifulvin-v also know as Griseofulvin (an antifungal).
  the doctor is concerned about using this medication orally for
more
 than 2 mos as it can cause liver problems and reaction to the sun as
 well as many possible side effects.  however, this medication ususally
 takes at leas 2 mos to work and he (doctor) too is concerned about this
 child having a reaction.
i thought that perhaps members of this group would have some ideas
 as to other, more natural and less dangerous options to try before we
 give this oral prescription.
 thanks in advance for sharing your wisdom.
 blessings,
 julie m



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CSRe: Long, Boring - Calculations

[AScottSilver]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the response. Regarding your mold problems - MOVE. Go to Phoenix 
or somewhere like that. Mold gets into the attic, under the baseboards, behind 
the walls and everywhere. You will never get rid of it. A few years ago, I 
moved out of a mold infested environment and it made a big difference in my 
health. I would probably be dead if I stayed there. A nice hot summer won't get 
rid 
of it.

Anyhow, back to CS (or EIS as Ole Bob likes to call it). The reason that I 
don't want to spend all day making a glassful at a time is because I have a 
chronic, active, autoimmune virus and I live an abusive life style. I don't sip 
a 
teaspoon at a time when I feel a cold coming on. I make it as strong as I can 
and try to do 4 to 8 oz. a day. Every day.

The person that I'm making the generator for has different stuff going on but 
of about the same magnitude. That's why I'm thinking of a quart mason jar. If 
you have to make it every other day, eventually you won't.

So to rehash:

One quart production in about 6 to 10 hours.
3 feet of 12 ga. wire to work with.
Probably a resistor for current limit.
Stirring can be added later.
9V battery stack or 12VDC wall transformer.
Plastic lid and hot glue.

I can tell them an approximate run time or I can tell them to shut it off 
when the electrodes turn black. Any more than that would be rocket science.

What do you think?

Andy

From: Mike Monett

CSRe: Long, Boring - Calculations
From: AScottSilver
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:31:40

   Hi Mike,

  Hi Andy,

  [...]

   Anyhow, in your recent post, you suggested a W  shaped electrode
   and a  small drinking glass. I was thinking of a quart  mason jar.
   Something that  would  be  better equipped to  take  a  U shaped
   electrode. I'm  thinking that the shape doesn't matter as  long as
   the surface area and the spacing are the same.

  I think you are right - the wetted area is what counts, and  a shape
  similar to a W gets the most wetted area in the smallest space. Of
  course, you could fold it more times.

  But why do you want to make so much? You only need a little  if it's
  done right.

  A quart would take a long time to make at these currents.

   You also mentioned that the spacing between the electrodes doesn't
   matter that  much.  Without  agitation  of  the  water,  isn't the
   concentration of  silver between the electrodes going  to  be much
   higher then behind them?

  When the  production rate of ions is very slow,  they  have more
  chance to disperse through normal diffusion, and have  less tendency
  to crowd and form particles. Diffusion is the effect you  see when
  you put a drop of ink in water. Pretty soon, the water is  a uniform
  shade. The ions do the same thing.

  With a  long brew time, the natural changes in room  temperature set
  up slow convection currents. These also help disperse the ions.

  I believe Ken or Robert mentioned this some time ago.

   I've got the variable voltage, current limiting power supplies and
   5 1/2  digit  HP DVMs that I use at home. I'm just  trying  to put
   together something  for a simple person. No meters, no  salt test,

  How are you going to verify your results and tell when you are going
  in the  right direction? Without some kind of test, you  are working
  in the dark and just wasting your time.

  The salt test is cheap and never goes out of calibration.  There are
  only two indications that are important:

A pale  blue  dispersion indicates ions are  present,  but  at low
concentration. From what I can gather, the ppm may be around 10 or
so. This is typical of the results you get running at high current
density. This seems to work well on bacteria.

When you see white clouds growing from the bottom with wisps going
off in  different directions, the concentration is  quite  good. I
estimate the ppm to be a bit less than 20 on my system. This seems
to work well on viruses.

  Once you try this you will see how easy it is to tell good from bad.

   just make  the stuff and drink it. I was thinking  of  spacing the
   two U shaped electrodes at about 1 1/2 inches apart.

   I can  hook it up to batteries or a wall transformer. I can  put a
   resistor in  series  or  just   tell   them  it's  ready  when the
   electordes turn  black. I just need to keep this  simple.  What do
   you think?

  Please put  a  resistor  in series. Whether  you  are  using  a wall
  transformer or batteries. Short circuits are such a bad idea.

  If that is all you need, then go for it. But unless you are  able to
  test the result, you really don't have any idea what is happening.

  You will end up asking everyone what went wrong. They won't  be able
  to help  you, since they will not understand your  process.  I would
  not respond to such ill-formed questions. Let some else do it.

  I considered using a wall transformer with the simple  cs generator.
  The problem is they are not designed to run at 

Re: CSCS in the fridge?

[Frank Cindy Welch]

I like it better if its cold.  It does reduce the aftertaste. 

My 13 years old daughter is the only one out of 5 (8 if you count the 
dogs) that objects to the aftertaste, and MAN does she!!  Gaging noises, 
yucky face and heebe jeebies all at the same time!


Frank



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Re: CSCataracts

[Gladys Williams]

DEAR LIST:

I WOULD LIKE TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THIS-  IS HE SAYING THAT
CATARACTS ARE FAT DEPOSITS AND THAT BY THE TIME THEY
APPEAR IN YOUR EYE, ALL THE OTHER MAJOR ORGANS ARE 
FULL?  HE'S NOT ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT CRISCO RIGHT?

IN ADDITION, IS HE SUGGESTING PUTTING SOMETHING FROM
THE HARDWARE STORE USED FOR PAINTING IN YOUR EYE?

THAT SOUNDS TOTALLY UNSANITARY AND DANGEROUS.  
YOU CAN MESS UP WITH LOTS OF THINGS BUT YOUR EYES
ARE TOO IMPORTANT TO FOOL AROUND WITH.  FOR A FEW
DOLLARS DIFFERENCE, WITH THE HEALTH FOOD STORE YOU
AT LEAST FEEL THE OIL IS CLEAN, N'EST PAS?

IS IT JUST ME OR DOES THIS SOUND RISKY?

GLADYS

PS  MY MOM JUST HAD CATARACT SURGERY AND SHE DOES 
HAVE ARTERIORSCLEROTIC DISEASE (PARDON THE SPELLING)
OR THE EQUIVALENT OF FAT DEPOSITS IN HER VEINS.  THIS
MIGHT THEREFORE BE SOUND REASONING, BUT NOT CORRECT
TREATMENT.COMMENTS?? 

HE SAID:

The guy who told me about linseed oil said that most cataracts 
 were deposits of a cooking grease called CRISCO and any good oil would 
 dissolve it.  He said that when your body dumped CRISCO in your eye, all

 other dumps are full (like your chest) so you also have to do some
cleaning in 
 other places besides the eye.  I still have some lumps in my chest but I

 got rid of most of them by doing kidney cleanses.


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