My doctor, along with natural immunogenics and I have been working on establishing protocols. I have personally had IV's of CS in June and July 2002, and again this past June and July. It has been great in regards to my MS. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Holmes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: RE: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
> > Hello Jason, > > Yes, It is one thing to theorize at a distance; another to stand there > looking at the terribly ill person and weigh all the factors. > > Does anyone know if IV CS is against established protocols? Vets have used > it successfully against Eastern Equine Encephalitis. Two 1500 ml doses of > 15 ppm. The horse lived, with no apparent neuro damage. > > JOH > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Eaton [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:59 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux > > > > Hi James: > > Yes, there is no reason that CS cannot be added to electrolytes already > being given ( that I am aware of ). In fact, some MD's utilize CS combined > WITH antibiotics. > > Saline is not ideal to use as a buffer, although I have not yet been able to > figure out what is being used in its place. ( It is acceptable though ). > > Even dead bacteria can be dangerous when injected into the bloodstream. The > air is nowhere near sterile. > > I am not aware of the same concerns being an issue intramuscularly. > > Oral use of CS, I agree, would be a precursor to IV use in the ideal > situation. > > MD's do not have the legal right to act against established methods, even in > acts of desperation. It may be alright for an MD to utilize silver in a > case of desperation, but even if signed consent forms are signed, and a > doctor ignores established protocols, it can still be viewed as criminal > malpractice. Knowingly injecting an improperly prepared substance into the > bloodstream is such a situation. > > I'm all for nebulizing in the face of any airborne infection. However, I'm > not under the same constraints that MD's would be in in a hospital > environment. > > For some reason, doctors, even those experienced in alt med methods ( even > those who utilize h2o2 IV therapy ) are very intimidated by silver use via > IV. Like anything else, I suppose, it would just take some experience and > walking through the uncomfort zone. > > Best Regards, > > Jason > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Holmes" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:48 PM > Subject: RE: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux > > > > Comments in Trem's text. These speculations are offered as questions > > for discussion, not assertions. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jason Eaton [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:04 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS > > Redux > > > > > > > > Trem: > > > > There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: > > > > 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock > > leading > to > > death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared > > properly. > > > > JOH Why not add it to any electrolytes already being given or give > Ringers > > and CS? > > > > Why not just make it isotonic with salt, if the volume is low enough > > and prepared electrolyte solutions are not available? > > > > 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause > > death in someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol be > > sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may > > induce a immune response. > > > > JOH A product that is not pyrogen free, certified or not, can be > > deadly. I How do pyrogens 1, get into carefully made batches of CS, > > 2. If pathogens are present, none have been demonstrated to survive > > even concentrations as low as 0.002 PPM (From distant memory, > > check for yourself) How will they survive 5 PPM and up? > > Sterile equipment is a given. > > > > 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If an > > MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly be > > understandable. > > > > JOH I agree that to be a serious problem with advanced systemic > > infection of an endotoxin type. Perhaps a protocol can be suggested > > based on the kill rates in broth compared with the success against > > that organism in people. Perhaps an initially cautious beginning: a > > very small amount by mouth leading up to larger I V doses when the > > first kill debris has been processed. It is incredibly potent, and in > > dosages that are an order of magnitude or two, below toxicity. > > > > 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute criminal > > malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper justification could > > easily do federal time. > > > > JOH Not only that, they might hurt somebody. Don't doctors in > > desperate situations have license to do whatever they think may help > > that they are qualified to administer? If not, by whom and for what > > purpose? > > > > If---big if, it could be practically demonstrated [That's not the same > > as jumping through all the hoops] that SARS cannot live in 5-15 PPM > > CS, then there would be no reason to not nebulize; any overspray will > > help > disinfect > > the environment and all fomites it touches. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Trem" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:17 PM > > Subject: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux > > > > > > > Hi Catherine, > > > > > > I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If > > > deionized > > or > > > distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is > > > it not > > a > > > no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial > > > protocol? > > It > > > seems that it would be immediately known to the casual observer if > > > the patient was getting any better since silver works so quickly. > > > It also > > seems > > > to me the blood titer would show a decrease in SARS almost > > > immediately > > which > > > would be the definitive answer. If one used a mix of standard CS > > > which is normally composed of 70-90% ions and the remainder being > > > colloids, it > > would > > > cover the bases of which is effective since both would be > > > circulating in > > the > > > system. It wouldn't matter which did the job of they were to see a > > decrease > > > in viral load and/or the patient responded favorably. > > > > > > Mikes idea of using predominantly ionic silver which his process > > > seems to produce doesn't carry as much weight with me as he seems to > > > think it does. An ion is an ion and the ions he produces cannot be > > > any different than an ion any device produces. The major difference > > > can only be the ratio of > > ions > > > to particles and the size of the particles. If the mix is made > > > using a > > good > > > process, it will always be crystal clear indicating the colloids are > > within > > > the small range of being colorless. > > > > > > As Bob Lee once pointed out there are about 1.41252 X 10+18 atoms in > > > one teaspoon of CS made to 20+ PPM. I would think it wouldn't take > > > too much > > in > > > an intravenous solution to see some dramatic results. > > > > > > And let's remember, an IV of distilled water isn't going to do any > > > damage > > so > > > why wouldn't someone try this just to see if it works? Or as I said > > > earlier, is there something I missed. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Trem > > > > > > > > > > > I became involved with this group and actually had the > > > > opportunity to present CS to them during a conference call. At > > > > that time, my thoughts > > > were > > > > running along the lines of nebulizing. > > > > > > > > Since then, they've considered oral (very difficult because most > > > patients > > > > are too ill to drink) and IV. They are really skeptical about the > > latter > > > > because I can't produce enough material that speaks of efficacy > > > > with > > this. > > > > > > > >> Regards, > > > > Catherine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > > > > silver. > > > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > > > > http://silverlist.org > > > > > > > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > > > > > > > Silver-list archive: > > > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
