Re: CSdisclaimer?
At 02:56 PM 11/23/2003 -0500, William wrote: hi ode this disclaimer of yours is just a little too much tho i see your satire and humor. the truth is the med/fed/corporation consortium is way beyond their place in attacking different information. who told us that only people certified by the ama or whatever are the only people who can offer information on treating a condition? at some point you have to call a spade a spade. i have the right to think and diseminate information that i believe may be helpful. i believe that there are issues today that have grown big enough that we need to seriously consider our place in relation to those powers that seek to govern us. And what makes some folks think they are The Special and Only Ones Capable of Herding the Cattle to THEIR Promised Land? I am not a cow and being herded anywhere is irrelevant to my purpose. i believe men and woman of good will are required to say no if they clearly see a law as unjust. To wade thru the thousands of pages of the Federal Register looking for unjust laws fits some personal holograms. Not mine. Even fighting one unjust law is a horrible time waster. I don't need to justify my actions to anyone and for me: Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. I will do it my way as you will when u see an unjust law. There is no way to control a Determined Other. Control freaks cannot survive without participants and when u just ACKNOWLEDGE The Law without doing anything else, they gotcha. Ur in The Matrix. stuff that's all i will say on this topic. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWhy, o why doesn't it do its wonderful thing for me?
Dear CS-community, Sorry if my post()s is/are elaborate, but I really want to find a solution to my problem and I try to give as much as context as possible. As I stated some time ago, I became sick for about 1,5 week (having a need-to-throw-up feeling) after taking 3 coffee-spoons of self-made CS. See: RE: CSStomach-problems when using CS? in the archives. As I feared I had poisoned myself, I had a stomach check (with a camera through the mouth into the stomach), a blood and urine check after 1 week of being sick, everything was ok according to the doctors. Only a minor irritation/infection in my stomach, but that was very normal and could be viral. Half a week later everything was back to normal. Two weeks later, I wanted to give making CS by myself another try. This time I used 2 silver electrodes that I ordered from a jeweler that made it from 99,9% silver grains that he uses for making jewelery. I expressed my reason for needing to be sure it is 99,9% pure. After using it for about 4 days now, just spraying it in my nose (2 times a day, 3 sprays in each nostril), I'm feeling ill in my stomach again and again waking up in the middle of the night with a need-to-throw-up feeling. As I don't think it's the silver (as I got the same result from 2 different suppliers) I could only think: * it is the destilled water that I use, although it comes from a pharmacy store. * I'm allergic to silver, although I don't have any problems with wearing my silver ring. * I have some kind of infection that I don't even know about or my nasal problem is connected with my stomach as someone mentioned to me. * it's a normal reaction (e.g.: Herxheimer reaction): the feeling I experience is need-to-throw-up (without having thrown up), waking up in the middle of the night with that feeling and a strange, weak, almost tinteling sensation in my arms. I've read alot about CS at alot of different websites, but I cannot find anything about this kind of reaction. I truly believe that CS works, but why doesn't it do the wonderful thing to me? PS: As i currently use 24V DC adaptor on 2 (125mm long, 2mm thick) 99,9% silver electrodes for 15 minutes in 500 ml of boiled distilled water, I have no way of knowing how much ppm I produced. I only know it was both times clear not yellow. The + electrode (red on the multimeter) became dirty gray and the - electrode (black on the multimeter) became yellow. I think I read somewhere that it should be vica versa. Kind regards, Filip
Re: CSWhy, o why doesn't it do its wonderful thing for me?
Hi Filip: Have you recently, or a history of, pulmonary difficulties? Lung problems, such as a recurring lung infection? Correct me if I'm wrong, but with your initial reaction, wasn't the response quite a bit faster, with less colloidal silver used to induce your upset stomach? If so, this matches a herxheimer-like effect. If I were in a similiar situation, and wished to approach it with due caution ( being in the unknown ), then I would elect to design a personal research experiment, and back off of taking the colloidal silver until the symptoms subside, and then begin again, charting my body's own responses; that is, as long as I wasn't attempting to address a serious illness. I would make note of the duration of symptoms, how long they took to manifest, how much CS was used, and then how long it took for the symptoms to subside after cessation. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: filip.hoe...@pandora.be To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 1:36 AM Subject: CSWhy, o why doesn't it do its wonderful thing for me? Dear CS-community, Sorry if my post()s is/are elaborate, but I really want to find a solution to my problem and I try to give as much as context as possible. As I stated some time ago, I became sick for about 1,5 week (having a need-to-throw-up feeling) after taking 3 coffee-spoons of self-made CS. See: RE: CSStomach-problems when using CS? in the archives. As I feared I had poisoned myself, I had a stomach check (with a camera through the mouth into the stomach), a blood and urine check after 1 week of being sick, everything was ok according to the doctors. Only a minor irritation/infection in my stomach, but that was very normal and could be viral. Half a week later everything was back to normal. Two weeks later, I wanted to give making CS by myself another try. This time I used 2 silver electrodes that I ordered from a jeweler that made it from 99,9% silver grains that he uses for making jewelery. I expressed my reason for needing to be sure it is 99,9% pure. After using it for about 4 days now, just spraying it in my nose (2 times a day, 3 sprays in each nostril), I'm feeling ill in my stomach again and again waking up in the middle of the night with a need-to-throw-up feeling. As I don't think it's the silver (as I got the same result from 2 different suppliers) I could only think: * it is the destilled water that I use, although it comes from a pharmacy store. * I'm allergic to silver, although I don't have any problems with wearing my silver ring. * I have some kind of infection that I don't even know about or my nasal problem is connected with my stomach as someone mentioned to me. * it's a normal reaction (e.g.: Herxheimer reaction): the feeling I experience is need-to-throw-up (without having thrown up), waking up in the middle of the night with that feeling and a strange, weak, almost tinteling sensation in my arms. I've read alot about CS at alot of different websites, but I cannot find anything about this kind of reaction. I truly believe that CS works, but why doesn't it do the wonderful thing to me? PS: As i currently use 24V DC adaptor on 2 (125mm long, 2mm thick) 99,9% silver electrodes for 15 minutes in 500 ml of boiled distilled water, I have no way of knowing how much ppm I produced. I only know it was both times clear not yellow. The + electrode (red on the multimeter) became dirty gray and the - electrode (black on the multimeter) became yellow. I think I read somewhere that it should be vica versa. Kind regards, Filip
Re: CSPurple CS
Debbie writes: The only time my silver is turning purple is in the dogs water bowl. I've never seen purple until that time. And it is very very light. So I'm not really going to worry about it. Yup. If you're adding CS to tap water or the bowl has even a little residue from regular water and/or dog slime grin, then your ionic and small particle CS is very likely to rapidly agglomerate into larger particles that will reflect the violet color. You're making it just fine, but subjecting it to contamination that changes it. As you say, it's not a big problem. Either give the beasties pure CS, maybe making it at lower concentration, or give them CS added to distilled water in *very* clean bowls, so that the purple color will not occur until they take their first drink from it sigh, or just ignore it. They'll still be getting benefit from it. Be well! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSdisclaimer?
Yea Free speech ain't free as long as people think that thinking is something that 'someone else' does. Unfortunately, we have developed a society of victims who have the power to sue others for thoughts they didn't have. It's all downhill from here as we blame and sue each other for our own stupidity. Like, a teacher has NEVER been able to teach a person who will not learn, but when a parent sees their kids failing...they blame the teacher. You might as well blame ice for being slippery when you fall over. [DOH! Happens allah time now-a-days.] Never 'mind'. [That's an order!] But the kid doesn't even need a teacher at all to learn something when every person he'll ever meet in his entire life is a teacher and it's curiousity that makes him a student. [and caution that keeps him alive long enough to learn] Well, that's why I sell generators and not CS. A machine is not a drug or a supplement or anything in particular. ..but then, screwdrivers kill people, don't they? Perhaps my disclaimer should read. Don't use this devise for anything. or, Do not eat this machine? Do not place in cannon ..do not hurl or otherwise use this device as a projectile. Placing wire in eyes may result in visual impairment. Sticking tongue in outlet may be harmful. Do not attempt to open this box with anything but approved dull blunt scissors. [Take care to not pinch your fingers] Hey! I put my brains in a frying pan this morning and ya know what? They DO look like eggs! But now they're stuck to the pan. I'm gonna sue the anti drug people for not warning me to use oil or a teflon pan. [Lesse here, is that... bake on... or bacon? Place bread in toaster with fingers?] Break-fast!..first thing, every morning so you can be out to lunch for the rest of the day. Then, having rested all day...go to sleep and do it again tomorrow. Awake is for funerals. Ever wonder why that word starts with fun? I'm not yolking! Most parts of this planet are comedically insane. Watch a standup comedian lately? They're not making jokes. They're telling true stories. Speaking of true stories. I actually got a unit returned unused because they couldn't figure out how to plug it in. I don't even ask for a reason for a return but they gave me that one anyhow. Sometimes I'm very glad that I'm as old as I am and have no children. If I didn't know how to laugh at this hilariously sad tragedy, I'd have to shoot myself. ..and yes, that key outa here I keep loaded in the drawer is a comfort. Nothing is too hard to bear if you can just leave. But seriously folks! Naw, screw serious...can't afford it. I ain't buyin that no matter what the ad claims. Wait! I could sue somebody and get the means to be serious! [Got some Ice I can borrow?] But, what's it good for? A case of depression, maybe. [24 eight ounce bottles, ONLY $19.95 plus shipping and mishandling of everything worth living for ] I'm stupid and it's your fault Doesn't leave me with any hope at all. [smile] Ode [runs with scissors] Coyote At 02:56 PM 11/23/2003 -0500, you wrote: >hi ode >this disclaimer of yours is just a little too much tho i see your >satire and humor. > >the truth is the med/fed/corporation consortium is >way beyond their place in attacking different information. >who told us that only people certified by the ama or whatever >are the only people who can offer information on treating >a condition? >at some point you have to call a spade a spade. i have the right >to think and diseminate information that i believe may be helpful. > >i believe that there are issues today that have grown big enough >that we need to seriously consider our place in relation to >those powers that seek to govern us. > >i believe men and woman of good will are required to say >no if they clearly see a law as unjust. > >that's all i will say on this topic. > >> In big bold black letters, taking up the entire top of the page so >>as not to be possibly missed, place a disclaimer such as: >> >> I am not a doctor and am, therefore, not qualified to give medical advise. >>All communication is, therefore, hearsay and opinion from people who >>also may not be qualified. >> I am as entitled to my opinion as anyone else, but it should not be >>taken as anything BUT My opinion along with the added condition >>that I am not qualified to have an opinion that's to be taken the >>least bit seriously. >> You wouldn't take advise from the village idiot, now would you? >> But you just might use something the village idiot said to form >>YOUR OWN OPINION. >> I say ONLY what I think and do and repeat what I have HEARD >>that OTHERS [qualified or not] think and do. I am NOT making any >>distiction between them. >> ASSUME THAT I AND EVERYONE HERE IS ENTIRELY IGNORANT. >> BY NO MEANS should ANYTHING be taken as what YOU should think or do. >> >> YOU ARE ENTIRELY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT IS IN YOUR HEAD. >> IT IS NOT AND NEVER WAS MY INTENTION TO PUT ANYTHING, AT ALL, THERE. >> IF YOU
Re: CSRe CS:Xylitol,CS,H2O2 for sinus
I, too, have been making and marketing Xyllergy in 2 oz. bottles for 2 months. It's a .2 m solution of xylitol in 10 ppm CS. Lots of sales. I gave this list the formula 60 days ago. TJ Garland, CMO supplier there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people. From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@cableone.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe CS:Xylitol,CS,H2O2 for sinus Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 09:53:12 -0700 I have been adding Xylitol powder to my nose spray all summer, it really works for me, I got the idea when I seen the nose spray advertised on the Xylitol order page and they added vitiman C to preserve it, I wondered if CS would do the same...It did, and I also add Emu oil (a few drops) and some pure alovera juce ( grow it yourself) I have tried a coulpe drops of lougo's Iodine as well it seems to speed the relief some? (test to make sure your not allergic to iodine first) This is my experment for myself, your free to experment yourself, but I do not recomend anything, except to kiss the FDA's Butt. After all they were handed Xylitol back in 1974, but failed to recomend it, Xylitol is the # one sweener in Europe today, as it has only 2 calories and 0 carbs per tea spoon...I love it ! Check it out on your own. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enie=ISO-8859-1q=+XylitolbtnG=Google+Search Tel Tofflemire Dewey AZ Harold MacDonald wrote: In my previous post I did not mean to imply that the sinusitus was cured,but is under good control.To effect a complete cure I believe this will be a long term protocol. Xylitol is not a bactiricide/germicide,but has the effect of making cells and tissues so slippery that the pathogens[whatever they are] are unable to stay attached;and are consequently washed away.When they are loosened[as mucous] then the CS and H202 can get at and destroy them.The MSM among other things is a mild pain killer and helps to ease the sinus pain. My attempts in the past at using just straight CS had limited effect on the sinus. This protocol may have been helped with us chewing Xylitol gum after each meal also. I hope this helps. Harold -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es
Re: CSCS Creams
Not sure what kind of creams you are referring to, but when I was severely burned on the leg a couple of years ago, I went to the emergency room, and they gave me Silvadine cream - the relief from pain was immediate, and it clearly accelerated the healing process. This was my first experience with colloidal silver. Now there are Silverlon dressings, which I understand are even better. Del - Original Message - From: Simon Heywood To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 2:29 AM Subject: CSCS Creams Has anyone had any past experience using CS creams, as I notice more and more are becoming available here in Australia Simon(Down Under) -- Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Click here -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CSPurple CS
If you are making purple silver water the most likely cause is pre or post contamination of the water or just plain bad water. Various contaminants can act as a catylist. Do you drink directly from the container? Your saliva can cause a catalytic agglomeration cycle the same as the dogs saliva can that can even take weeks to complete. In other words, you can be unconsciously spitting into the bottle [backwash] and not notice the effects of that on the CS in that bottle for a month or more. I found out the hard way. ;-) Same batch, two identical bottles. One I drank from..only twice...two small sips, the other not at all. One went purple after a month, the other is still colorless to this day. [almost a year later] I stopped drinking straight from the bottles and it never happened again. If you are using this contaminated CS to 'start' batches, I suppose it's possible to make purple CS right away even if the starter CS isn't purple yet. I don't know because I've never done that. If I ever use 'starter', it comes from a different bottle than the one I use. Batches started with CS tend to turn out like the CS that was used to start it. Look into soap residue, anti spotting chemicals and such too. Do you use a dishwasher? Distill your own water using chlorinated or fluorinated water without a charcoal prefilter or with a charcoal post filter and not discard the first few parts out of the distiller? What was used to clean the distiller? Has it not been cleaned? If the silverpuppy functions are working at all, the odds are astromonical against them not working right. Everything is hard wired. Not that it 'couldn't' happen. Ode At 05:18 PM 11/23/2003 -0600, you wrote: My concern is not for an occasional batch, as the dogs water with CS in it, or only CS in the bowl has consistently turned purple, as this has been going on since summer. Could there be something wrong with my Silver Puppy generator? This might be a sign of consistent large particles, which I assume is not the best. Debbie - Original Message - From: mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net>Ode Coyote To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 5:59 AM Subject: Re: CS>Purple CS Gallons and gallons for a long time along with various vitamin and mineral unbalances could present a problem. I think the stats for argyria in silver workers who inhale large particles all day long 5 days a week for years on end...which incidently pass through the blood stream and are eliminated in the feces by 94% in 48 hours...show that only one in a thousand ever 'develop' a problem. [pun?] That study did not make a link with unbalanced mineral and vitamin levels. I don't remember which study that was for silver workers but it came from a link on Rosemary the blue ladies site. I do have the reference for the elimination rate study. [It was for monkeys and dogs but should hold for humans as well] So, purple CS? It probably won't hurt you, but it's way easy to water a plant with it and make new. H2O2 generally will clear it up..but YUK! Gag. Ode At 09:54 PM 11/22/2003 -0600, you wrote: This brings to mind another question. Should I be worried about these bigger particles to be consuming myself? Debbie - Original Message - From: mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net>Ode Coyote To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:12 AM Subject: Re: CS>Purple CS Purple indicates some pretty big particles...but there's also probably many smaller ones there too. Worst case, it's not as effective and the dog might turn blue if he drinks gallons and gallons of it. But who could tell? Do you shave and show? Ode At 10:44 AM 11/21/2003 -0600, you wrote: Ode - if it is purple is it any less effective? Debbie - Original Message - From: mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net>Ode Coyote To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:10 AM Subject: Re: CS>Dog with teeth and gum infections, CS pet testimonies? Give it to the dog straight up and no more that it'll drink at the time. The dogs saliva will cause the CS to turn purple if left in the bowl. Ode At 12:30 PM 11/20/2003 -0600, you wrote: Richard, I am going to ask what I hope is not a dumb question regarding CS in the dog's water dish. Do you add it to the tap water you put in the dish or just use distilled water in the dog's dish with CS added? What is the best way to give it to the dog? Thanks Debbie - Original Message - From: mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com>Richard Harris To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com>Richard Harris Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:52 PM Subject: RE: CS>Dog with teeth and gum infections, CS pet testimonies? Steve Chuck, I didn't see that you recommended putting CS into the dog's water bowl regularly, which will add to the atomizing--please do, your dog
Re: CSUsing Salt
Thanks Mike, Like you I started out with the pinch of salt recipe (actually a drop of brine, I think). Worked fine for the first year or two. Your thinking is about the same as mine. It seems that many who make CS think their method is best and everyone who does not do similar are living in the dark ages. Often using salt may be the best choice, or only choice if one is in a remote or primitive area. When I first started making CS, I kept a log file on each batch, run time, and current flow relative to time. I did make some of the golden CS using 70 VDC. I realize I have not progressed to the level that my technical ability would allow. One day I will do this. Until then, the dark ages methods have worked very well and solved many problems. Again, thanks for your ideas. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: using salt- was ceramic purifiers...
Reid Harvey wrote: Ode, Thanks for all this info. I woke up struggling with the idea of informing people on the methods of saturating AgCl ceramic water purifiers. It's incredibly simple to take a common, ceramic candle filter, saturate with silver nitrate, then run water through it. Then, with the silver chloride disinfectant within the ceramic one ends up with a *highly effective,* and very inexpensive disinfectant against virtually all of the fecal coliform indicators. The *problem* is that you also get something like 1.0 ppm of silver chloride in the water. Of course, we're still working on silver methods that don't add anything to the water. But in not reporting the AgCl ceramic purifier wouldn't our priorities be askew? Each and every day, somewhere in the world, about 4000 people die of the dehydration caused by dysentery, the result of bacteria contaminated water. It seems a little crazy to deny them so simple an idea as a silver chloride water filter, just because of a remote risk of argyria. Can someone suggest whether or not I should tell people about silver chloride water filters? I'm presently very indecisive. Are those who use the filter dark or light skinned? I don't believe dark skinned people can acquire argyria as easily as light skinned, since light is necessary and I don't believe it penetrates sufficiently deep in the skin. Even so, I am not sure that 1 ppm of silver chloride would cause it anyway even in light skinned people.. From what I have read, the concentrations of silver must be far more than that. I believe if that low a concentration of silver chloride could cause argyria, we would all be getting it, since it appears that much of the ionic portion of what we all drink becomes silver chloride upon contact with stomach acid. If I did tell them I would not call it argyria, they would not know what that was. I would only say that extended use could possibly cause darkening of the skin for some people and let it go at that. Marshall Reid Ode Coyote wrote: Gleaned from various sources.. [don't make me look em up!] Silver chloride is 1/10th as active against micro-organizms as pure silver at a given PPM in vitro. [ie. it still 'works', just not as well] AgCl is photo reactive. It's not very soluable in water and may lead to turning blue if used extensively and other paramters are present. It's not all that toxic but somewhat more so than pure silver. It may form a particle that's too big to stay suspended in water and you might have to shake the bottle up. [If it's that big and not very soluable, seems to me that it'll just pass on through and not do much of anything] It might form in the body from ionic silver anyway [even then different particle sizes forming may have various effects..no clue as to the particulars], or it's formation prevented or partially prevented by metallo protein transport. If you put salt in already made ionic silver water, you'll make some AgCl pretty fast. In small amounts, IMO..no big deal. But why make it on purpose? Ode -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFalse Tyndall effect?
There actually is no point at which tyndall starts showing up. It is a continuous process, and if I remember right changes by the 3rd power of particle size. So as you get smaller the tyndall goes down very rapidly. If you look at a large amount of pure water, it will exhibit a blue tyndall due to this, as will water vapor in the sky. Thus if you have ions, the amount of tyndall from them will be negligible, but present. If you have two atoms forming a particle, it is still going to be so small as to contribute negligible tyndall. My guess is the the particles formed by sitting are very very small and contributing little to the tyndall. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: I have run across a strange TE anomolie. It is normal for conductivity to drop as particles form since particles don't contribute to conductivity and they form out of ions over time. I had previously thought that these converted ions would all contribute to a stronger TE but here's the thing... I made several batches using the latest evolution of the Series 2 silverpuppy that metered out at around 22 uS with a PWT when done. [I use thermal convection stirring which does heat the water some] After sitting for a week or so, re-metering yielded 12 uS but the TE had not changed significantly from virtually none. I ran an experiment to document the effects of heat on conductivity where a PWT is concerned. [Result: Over a 30 deg F change from 70 to 100 as worst case high temp, the difference was 2.6 uS. I'm calling it 3 uS..so, that 22 uS will be known as 19 uS to account for temperature distortion as worst case] So, starting at 19 uS dropping to 12 uS and no real change in TE...what happened? Is there such a thing as a non conductive particle that's too small for visible light to reflect off of? Or is the water itself doing something strange that throws the PWT off that heat soak doesn't explain? Anybody have a clue? Ode At 09:36 AM 11/21/2003 -0500, you wrote: Hi, Jonathan and Ode! Thanks for your input. The electrodes remained in the vessel throughout the run. This was done because it was a control experiment for weak- current electrolysis. On reflection, I can identify at contamination or extraneous factors, though there are reasons to discount each of them. 1) The process took place in an environment with large amounts of chalk dust generated every day, i.e. a school. But chalk dust is mostly large particulate. On the other hand, some portion of it is small enough to collect in people's lungs and make them cough. 2) The process took place in a place illuminated by fluorescent lights. And Svedberg discovered that UV will sinter metallic silver in water into CS. On the other hand, the glass tube in a fluorescent light blocks the large amounts of UV generated inside the tube. 3)The process took place in a place that received direct sunlight for much of the day. On the other hand, the panes of window glass block out most of the UV in sunlight. So it still remains a mystery to me. One thing I have learned, though, is a greater respect for the Tyndall Effect. I also wonder why it is not exploited more, especially as a quantitative metric. We have sophisticated electronics to measure pH, conductivity, total dissolved solids, temperature, time control and so forth. Tyndallometry was put on a quantitative basis in the age of Victorian and Edwardian science, long before the availability of electronics. The light sources back then we heliostats and carbon arc lamps, which are vastly inferior compared to the laser diode pointers affordable by all of us today. In fact, there are now green laser diode pointers on the market that might make it possible, when used with a red laser diode, for ordinary people to do Tyndall spectroscopy. Do-it-yourself Tyndallometry and Tyndall spectroscopy would give us a handle on particle size distribution and concentrations of particulate surface area. If I am not mistaken, these have important clinical implications. And after all, our primary goal is enhancement of health. Well, thank you for your comments. They have already given me a lot of food for thought. Best wishes, Matthew -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CSPurple CS
Thank you for your help Ode. The only time my silver is turning purple is in the dogs water bowl. I've never seen purple until that time. And it is very very light. So I'm not really going to worry about it. Thanks again. Debbie - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:23 AM Subject: Re: CSPurple CS If you are making purple silver water the most likely cause is pre or post contamination of the water or just plain bad water. Various contaminants can act as a catylist. Do you drink directly from the container? Your saliva can cause a catalytic agglomeration cycle the same as the dogs saliva can that can even take weeks to complete. In other words, you can be unconsciously spitting into the bottle [backwash] and not notice the effects of that on the CS in that bottle for a month or more. I found out the hard way. ;-) Same batch, two identical bottles. One I drank from..only twice...two small sips, the other not at all. One went purple after a month, the other is still colorless to this day. [almost a year later] I stopped drinking straight from the bottles and it never happened again. If you are using this contaminated CS to 'start' batches, I suppose it's possible to make purple CS right away even if the starter CS isn't purple yet. I don't know because I've never done that. If I ever use 'starter', it comes from a different bottle than the one I use. Batches started with CS tend to turn out like the CS that was used to start it. Look into soap residue, anti spotting chemicals and such too. Do you use a dishwasher? Distill your own water using chlorinated or fluorinated water without a charcoal prefilter or with a charcoal post filter and not discard the first few parts out of the distiller? What was used to clean the distiller? Has it not been cleaned? If the silverpuppy functions are working at all, the odds are astromonical against them not working right. Everything is hard wired. Not that it 'couldn't' happen. Ode At 05:18 PM 11/23/2003 -0600, you wrote: My concern is not for an occasional batch, as the dogs water with CS in it, or only CS in the bowl has consistently turned purple, as this has been going on since summer. Could there be something wrong with my Silver Puppy generator? This might be a sign of consistent large particles, which I assume is not the best. Debbie - Original Message - From: mailto:coyote...@earthlink.netOde Coyote To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 5:59 AM Subject: Re: CSPurple CS Gallons and gallons for a long time along with various vitamin and mineral unbalances could present a problem. I think the stats for argyria in silver workers who inhale large particles all day long 5 days a week for years on end...which incidently pass through the blood stream and are eliminated in the feces by 94% in 48 hours...show that only one in a thousand ever 'develop' a problem. [pun?] That study did not make a link with unbalanced mineral and vitamin levels. I don't remember which study that was for silver workers but it came from a link on Rosemary the blue ladies site. I do have the reference for the elimination rate study. [It was for monkeys and dogs but should hold for humans as well] So, purple CS? It probably won't hurt you, but it's way easy to water a plant with it and make new. H2O2 generally will clear it up..but YUK! Gag. Ode At 09:54 PM 11/22/2003 -0600, you wrote: This brings to mind another question. Should I be worried about these bigger particles to be consuming myself? Debbie - Original Message - From: mailto:coyote...@earthlink.netOde Coyote To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:12 AM Subject: Re: CSPurple CS Purple indicates some pretty big particles...but there's also probably many smaller ones there too. Worst case, it's not as effective and the dog might turn blue if he drinks gallons and gallons of it. But who could tell? Do you shave and show? Ode At 10:44 AM 11/21/2003 -0600, you wrote: Ode - if it is purple is it any less effective? Debbie - Original Message - From: mailto:coyote...@earthlink.netOde Coyote To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:10 AM Subject: Re: CSDog with teeth and gum infections, CS pet testimonies? Give it to the dog straight up and no more that it'll drink at the time. The dogs saliva will cause the CS to turn
Re: CSPurple CS
Weird, when I use warmed water I get VERY yellow CS. But then I'm the one that has yellow (varying shades from very faint straw to really yellow) results more often than not, who has thought the problem solved at least twice, and been wrong. However, if the CS only turns purple in the pet water bowl, it's probably from saliva. paula - Original Message - From: silversurfer1952 . silversurfer1...@hotmail.com Hi Debbie, I have the same generator as you. The first, maiden batch was clear but the subsequent two batches turned distinctly yellow. The last two batches I started with warmed-up water which shortened the brew time to under 90 minutes (for 8 oz) and the results have been clear CS. Elle -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhy, o why doesn't it do its wonderful thing for me?
Filip, I doubt very much if a jeweler is using .999 pure silver wire for jewelry...it's too soft. A friend of mine who is a jewelry maker uses sterling silver wire. Which is what I bet you are trying to make CS with. This is probably at least part of your problem, as sterling silver contains some copper and, probably nickel. I don't know what you are making, but please try some wire from https://secure2.websitecomplete.com/acbel/shop/showProd.asp?prod=13 paula - Original Message - From: filip.hoe...@pandora.be Sorry if my post()s is/are elaborate, but I really want to find a solution to my problem and I try to give as much as context as possible. Two weeks later, I wanted to give making CS by myself another try. This time I used 2 silver electrodes that I ordered from a jeweler that made it from 99,9% silver grains that he uses for making jewelery. I expressed my reason for needing to be sure it is 99,9% pure.
CSFw: Update on the FMS newsletter and website crisis
herz a follow-up from Dominie - Forwarded Message - From: Dominie Bush d...@fms-help.com To: David Osborne ide...@juno.com Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:38:39 -0500 Subject: Update on the FMS newsletter and website crisis Message-ID: aaa96egdrakqc...@mx02.lax.untd.com Dear Newsletter Readers, I received an enormous amount of feedback since the Death of the Newsletter and Website email went out a few days ago. I am over the initial shock now and looking for ways to keep things going. Thank you for all of your expressions of appreciation (they warmed my heart tremendously!) your suggestions, and above all, your prayers. Below are some ideas that were sent in: 1. Get a fibro doctor to be associated with the website and newsletter. This way, there is more freedom in what can be said. I noticed from some of the doctors' sites about fibro on the net, that you can say just about anything you want to if you're a doctor. I agree with some of what they say, but not allbut I am not a doctorjust have 21 years experience with the illness and have devoted countless hours to many thousands of FMS/CFIDS sufferers over the past 7 years. 2. Many readers have written their Congressmen about Sen. Richard Durbin's proposed bill to get rid of nutritional supplements. 3. I pulled down half of the site http://www.fms-help.com two nights ago. Sorry if you were still surfing and pages started disappearing. Some readers said they copied everything on the site and it took about a ream of paper! I didn't realize I had been such a prolific writer. 4. I added disclaimers (I AM NOT A DOCTOR, etc.) at the top of each page that I left on my site. 5. I took off references to specific products and tried to speak in vague generalities. 6. One person suggested I put the first name and last initial of people who write me emails which are quoted in my newsletter. In the past, I have not identified writers, unless they asked me to, in order to protect their privacy. However, by using at least first names and last initials, this would make their words come from them and not from meI am just reporting them. (That idea might work unless they have an unusual name like mine--I don't think there is another Dominie B. anywhere. Many people these days have really unusual names, so they might feel a loss of privacy if they are quoted.) 7. Some suggested that I use the word I a lot in the site, so that it doesn't look like I'm giving advice but just talking about myself. However, my 100 Tips for Coping is advice because of the word Tips (which means, let me tell you something that you need to know...) 8. Even my website address fms-help.com sounds non-compliant, so one reader said I should put fms-help! with an exclamation point on each page--which sounds less like I'm giving advice. 9. Some wanted the name of the attorney who contacted me, but right now there's so much stirred up about this subject that I want to keep this person's name anonymous. In some ways I am glad the attorney contacted me, because I needed to know that my site was not compliant. I am aware of what has happened to those who were not---such as when Seasilver was shut down in June of this year. (Hard to believe, but true--750 employees were ordered out of the building by 30 armed people. Seasilver had gotten into trouble with the FTC because testimonials from customers were used in advertising and also because of wording on their labels. Fortunately, they are back in business again and I applaud them!) 10. Some thought I should start an FMS chat line or forum, where subjects could be discussed freely. I would love to, but truly have no time. 11. Some thought I should market the newsletter by paid subscription. 12. Some thought I should make an e-book out of all the newsletters and sell it along with monthly updates. 13. Others thought I should write a book from the material in the site and sell it. 14. Several suggested that I operate the site out of another country that doesn't have the legal problems that we have right now in the U.S. in this field. 15. Some felt that God may be taking my life in a different direction now and perhaps I should focus on eternal matters rather than just physical health. Our earthly bodies can cause so much trouble here for us, but there is an eternal life we all will have in either one destination or the other, and the message of the gospel really supercedes any other effort we might try to make in helping our fellow man. 16. The December newsletter was almost ready to be sent out, but there will have to be a lot of revisions first to make it more compliant. If it is never sent, or if the revisions take a long time and you start having the holiday blues this season, please visit my Christmas Blues link at http://www.fms-help.com/Christmas.htm 17. Although I earn a small amount of money from a few products mentioned in the newsletters (consider them commercials), there were
Re: CSWhy, o why doesn't it do its wonderful thing for me?
Hi Paula, The first time, I bought the wire from a website of an acupuncturist in the Netherlands. Because I had that reaction, I was uncertain about the silver wire, although he says he sells it alot with no problems and that he gets it from a trustworthy source. Therefor, I bought the wire that I used the last time from a jeweler who makes his own jewelry. He says it is 99,9% silver as he buys it like that in the form of grains that he later on mixes with other metals to make the jewelry. Again, I do not know this person and if he is telling the truth, altough I urged him that the purity is more my concern, not merely its worth/value in money as I am using it for medical intake. In both cases, it is the problem that there is no way of checking it and it is a matter of trust, just like you trust https://secure2.websitecomplete.com/acbel/shop/showProd.asp?prod=13 to be selling 99,9% silver. I am willing to give CS a try, but the problem is that I have been feeling ill from it for the second time while I was not sick at all before (except from a chronic nose-cold that I am used to and at the moment isn't bothering me). I'm afraid that waiting for 2 weeks now to feel better again from the CS reaction and trying it again will result in the same reaction and I may be causing some other illness that cannot be cured or so... Kind regards, Filip - Original Message - From: sol To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:34 PM Subject: Re: CSWhy, o why doesn't it do its wonderful thing for me? Filip, I doubt very much if a jeweler is using .999 pure silver wire for jewelry...it's too soft. A friend of mine who is a jewelry maker uses sterling silver wire. Which is what I bet you are trying to make CS with. This is probably at least part of your problem, as sterling silver contains some copper and, probably nickel. I don't know what you are making, but please try some wire from https://secure2.websitecomplete.com/acbel/shop/showProd.asp?prod=13 paula - Original Message - From: filip.hoe...@pandora.be Sorry if my post()s is/are elaborate, but I really want to find a solution to my problem and I try to give as much as context as possible. Two weeks later, I wanted to give making CS by myself another try. This time I used 2 silver electrodes that I ordered from a jeweler that made it from 99,9% silver grains that he uses for making jewelery. I expressed my reason for needing to be sure it is 99,9% pure.
CSDiseases of the Mind; infections as causes of mental illnesses
Hi there, Here is an interesting article, Best, Sheila http://www.msnbc.com/news/997153.asp Diseases of the Mind Bacteria, viruses and parasites may cause mental illnesses like depression and perhaps even autism and anorexia By Janet Ginsburg NEWSWEEK INTERNATIONAL Dec. 1 issue - Olga Skipko has had the good fortune to live most of her adult life in the Polish village of Gruszki, in the heart of the Puszcza Bialowieska, one of Europe's most beautiful forests and home to wolves, lynxes and the endangered European bison. Unfortunately, the forest is also a breeding ground for disease-carrying ticks. Skipko, 49, thinks she was bitten about 10 years ago, when she began having the classic symptoms of Lyme borreliosis, a tickborne nervous-system disease: headaches and aching joints. She didn't get treatment until 1998. I was treated with antibiotics and felt a bit better, she says THAT WAS only the beginning of her troubles. A few years later, she began to forget things and her speaking grew labored. It got so bad that she had to quit her job in a nursery forest and check herself in to a psychiatric clinic. I hope they will help me, she says. I promised my children that when I come back home, I will be able to do my favorite crosswords again. Doctors ran a battery of tests and concluded that her mental problems were the advanced stage of the Lyme disease she had contracted years ago. Scientists have long known that some diseases can cause behavioral problems. When penicillin was first used to treat syphilis, thousands of cured schizophrenics were released from mental asylums. Now, however, scientists have evidence that infections may play a far bigger role in mental illness than previously thought. They've linked cases of obsessive-compulsive disorder, bipolar disorder and schizophrenia to a variety of infectious agents, and they're investigating autism, Tourette's and anorexia as well. They're beginning to suspect that bad bugs may cause a great many other mental disorders, too. The irony is that people talked about syphilis as the 'great imitator', says University of Louisville biologist Paul Ewald, but it may be the 'great illustrator'-a model for understanding the causes of chronic diseases. Mental illnesses constitute a large and growing portion of the world's health problems. According to the World Health Organization, depression is one of the most debilitating of diseases, on a par with paraplegia. Psychiatric illnesses make up more than 10 percent of the world' s disease burden (a measure of how debilitating a disease is), and are expected to increase to 15 percent by 2020. Much of this may be the work of viruses, bacteria and parasites. Psychiatrist E. Fuller Torrey, of the Stanley Medical Research Institute in Maryland, has found from studying historical asylum records that hot spots-higher-than-normal incidences-of mental illness can shift, much like infectious-disease outbreaks, which lends credence to the notion that infectious agents play a big role. Mental disorders are the major chronic recurrent disorders of youth in all developed countries, says Harvard policy expert Ronald Kessler, who directs the WHO's mental-health surveys. Perhaps the most well known disease that's been linked to mental disorders is Lyme disease, which is caused by the Borrelia burgdorferi germ. First identified in the mid-1970s among children near Lyme, Connecticut, the disease has long been known to cause nervous-system problems and achy joints if left untreated. Now scientists are finding that Lyme disease can also trigger a whole smorgasbord of psychiatric symptoms, including depression. One New York man (we'll call him Joe) found out firsthand how debilitating the disease can be. When he began having bouts of major depression back in 1992, he had forgotten all about the tick bite he had gotten four years earlier. He spent two years in a blur of antipsychotic drugs, mental institutions, jails and suicide attempts. On a hunch, a doctor at a psychiatric hospital in New Jersey had Joe tested for Lyme disease. After an intensive course of antibiotics, Joe's improvement was dramatic and immediate. I started to have this fog lift, he recalls. Still, he will probably have to be on psychotropic drugs for the rest of his life. Some psychiatrists fret that there may be thousands of people suffering from Lyme-induced depression without knowing why. Not only is Lyme disease tricky to diagnose-not everybody gets the circular rash, and lab tests still aren't wholly reliable-it can take a decade or more for mental disorders to set in. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control says that nine out of 10 cases of Lyme diseases remain unreported. There are 15 species of borellias-making them the most common tickborne disease-producing bacteria in the world. For its part, the parasite Toxoplasma gondii, which can be
CSFalse Tyndall effect?
The formula given by Lord Rayleigh for the scattering of light by turbid media gives an expression for the intensity of the scattered light that has as a factor the square of the average volume of the particles that scatter the light. So the intensity of the scattered light will vary as the two-thirds power of the size of the particle, if we take the particle size to be particle diameter. However, the Rayleigh formula supposes that the particles are dielectrics. So his formula may not be valid for metallic particulates. Best regards, Matthew
Re: CSFalse Tyndall effect?
Matthew McCann PE wrote: The formula given by Lord Rayleighfor the scattering of light by turbidmedia gives an expression for theintensity of the scattered light thathas as a factor the square of theaverage volume of the particles thatscatter the light.So the intensity of the scatteredlight will vary as the two-thirds powerof the size of the particle, if we takethe particle size to be particle diameter. That is not correct. Volume of a square or sphere goes up by the cube of the diameter, not by a 2/3 power. Thus the tyndall goes up the 4th power of the diameter. I couldn't remember if it was the cube or the 4th power, but I know it changes very rapidly with diameter. Marshall However, the Rayleigh formulasupposes that the particles aredielectrics. So his formula may notbe valid for metallic particulates. Best regards, Matthew
CSFalse Tyndall effect?
A correction: The intensity varies as 2x3=6, not 2/3, with the particle diameter.
Re: CSCS Creams
not sure. but i'd like to know how to make them. Kim - Original Message - From: Simon Heywood To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:29 AM Subject: CSCS Creams Has anyone had any past experience using CS creams, as I notice more and more are becoming available here in Australia Simon(Down Under) -- Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Click here -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CSPurple CS
ionic and small particle CS is very likely to rapidly agglomerate into larger particles that will reflect the violet color. Mike, this was the explanation I was looking for. Thank you so much for explaining it that way. I know now my Silver Puppy is working perfectlyit's this particular usage that is making it into the bigger particles. I've always had perfectly clear CS from my generator and have been very happy with it. debbie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe CS:Xylitol,CS,H2O2 for sinus
Were you able to find a supplier of nasal spray bottles? Dan Re: CSRe CS:Xylitol,CS,H2O2 for sinus From: TJ Garland (view other messages by this author) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 06:13:28 I, too, have been making and marketing Xyllergy in 2 oz. bottles for 2 months. It's a .2 m solution of xylitol in 10 ppm CS. Lots of sales. I gave this list the formula 60 days ago. TJ Garland, CMO supplier there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFalse Tyndall effect?
Thanks, Marshall. The volume varies as the cube of the diameter. And the intensity of the scattered beam varies as the square of the volume. So the intensity of the scattered beam varies as 2x3=6th power of the diameter of the particles. Matthew
Re: CSFalse Tyndall effect
Aloha Matthew, Thank you so much for answering my query. Your explanation is very informative. I will go ahead and purchase one of those Ionizer w/ UV when funds become available. I just wasn't sure if the germ killing ad was hype or not. I especially appreciate your email because I am unable to surf the internet and goggle for myself due to my CTS. Things are quite frustrating for me at the moment... smile Warmest regards, Helena ~~~ At 03:06 AM 11/23/2003, you wrote: Hello, Helen! Ultraviolet wavelenghts do come in three bands, ranging in wavelength from 400 nanometers to 200 nanometers
CSFalse Tyndall effect
Hi, Helena! Thanks for your reply. The germicidal capability of 254 nanometer UV-C is not just hype. It is a mainstream method of sterilizing air, water and anything else not conveniently sterilized by other means. I wish you the very best and healthy tomorrows! Matthew
Re: CSFalse Tyndall effect?
Lets take a change in size of 2. The volume will change by 2^3, which is 8. Now the tyndall will change by 8^2 which is 64, and that is also 2^6. By golly, you are right, we both have been wrong in this exchange! Wow, it REALLY changes intensity with size even more than I thought! Marshall Matthew McCann PE wrote: Thanks, Marshall. The volume varies as thecube of the diameter.And the intensity of thescattered beam variesas the square of thevolume.So the intensity of thescattered beam variesas 2x3=6th power of thediameter of the particles. Matthew
CSNasal Xylitol info
Look at this: http://www.nasal-xylitol.com/ DB __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSXyllergy, TJ's site, CMO
TJ- About your Xyllergy- I searched the archives for that post, but didn't find a formula; would you repeat it please? I found your website. Nice. But you need to put some more obvious contact info in there I think. CMO- Folks, I have used TJ's CMO with WONDERFUL results. Just a little testimonial and advertisement. DB __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFalse Tyndall effect?
But at the end of the day, it's great for both of us to be right, eh? Matthew
Re: CSDog with hot spot infection
brick...@aol.com 11/23/03 4:30 PM Wrote: Has anyone else tried to treat hot spot? * Yes, and very successfully with wild flower honey which Spike gleefully licked from the spoon. It took about a week. Any further discussion of this subject should be done off topic. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNasal spray bottles
They have 4oz pump foger spray bottles for $3 to $4 eachwhite plastic.look here or call Beckey http://www.msm-msm.com/ Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. Dan Nave wrote: Were you able to find a supplier of nasal spray bottles? Dan Re: CSRe CS:Xylitol,CS,H2O2 for sinus From: TJ Garland (view other messages by this author) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 06:13:28 I, too, have been making and marketing Xyllergy in 2 oz. bottles for 2 months. It's a .2 m solution of xylitol in 10 ppm CS. Lots of sales. I gave this list the formula 60 days ago. TJ Garland, CMO supplier there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNasal spray bottles
Hi.msm-msm.com has some decent products..and good prices...but they get my vote for the absolute worse and clumsiest website in the world.I've seen alot of people there for different thing only to have them call me back and say they couldn't find it..and then I have to do it myself..I wish they would fix that stupid website.you have to go to the links page for links to some of their own products!!!..Robb - Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@cableone.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: Re: CSNasal spray bottles They have 4oz pump foger spray bottles for $3 to $4 eachwhite plastic.look here or call Beckey http://www.msm-msm.com/ Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. Dan Nave wrote: Were you able to find a supplier of nasal spray bottles? Dan Re: CSRe CS:Xylitol,CS,H2O2 for sinus From: TJ Garland (view other messages by this author) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 06:13:28 I, too, have been making and marketing Xyllergy in 2 oz. bottles for 2 months. It's a .2 m solution of xylitol in 10 ppm CS. Lots of sales. I gave this list the formula 60 days ago. TJ Garland, CMO supplier there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNasal spray bottles
I just call the 800 phone number Robb Allen wrote: Hi.msm-msm.com has some decent products..and good prices...but they get my vote for the absolute worse and clumsiest website in the world.I've seen alot of people there for different thing only to have them call me back and say they couldn't find it..and then I have to do it myself..I wish they would fix that stupid website.you have to go to the links page for links to some of their own products!!!..Robb - Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@cableone.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: Re: CSNasal spray bottles They have 4oz pump foger spray bottles for $3 to $4 eachwhite plastic.look here or call Beckey http://www.msm-msm.com/ Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. Dan Nave wrote: Were you able to find a supplier of nasal spray bottles? Dan Re: CSRe CS:Xylitol,CS,H2O2 for sinus From: TJ Garland (view other messages by this author) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 06:13:28 I, too, have been making and marketing Xyllergy in 2 oz. bottles for 2 months. It's a .2 m solution of xylitol in 10 ppm CS. Lots of sales. I gave this list the formula 60 days ago. TJ Garland, CMO supplier there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDog with ear infection
I am treating my dog's ear infection with 20-22 ppm CS twice a day. Does anyone have experience how long I should do this so the infection doesn't come back? Happy Mike? big grin Debbie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDog with hot spot infection
I have cured hot spots using nothing but CS from a nasal sprayer that I carry in my pocket. Everytime I pass the dog I give him a squirt. It took a couple of days, but fixed it... - Original Message - From: brick...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:30 PM Subject: Re: CSDog with hot spot infection My Golden Ret. pup developed a skin infection with a real foul odor. Christmas tree customers said it is called hot spot. I applied coconut oil, CS with DMSO, and rubbed it in, and sprayed CS into his mouth. He lost several patches of his coat but new hair is coming out. The foul smell is practically gone. Has anyone else tried to treat hot spot? Update on my own CS use. I have been using the nasal irrigator (Grossan) for about 3 weeks and follow each irrigation with about 70 ml of CS, DMSO, MSM and GSE. My sinus is still draining but appears to be getting better. I have used the device as much as 4 times per day. Yearly dentist inspection came up with no cavities. I take at least 2 ounces CS per day and hold for at least 3 minutes. Eye DR saw small cataracts still even with me using CS + DMSO eye drops daily. Brickey
Re: CSFTC actions?
If the below is true, we will all need some kind of boilerplate legalese preface and postscript to everything we write. Perhaps a sympathetic attorney will help us to find such terms as we will require. But if the FDA oversteps their bounds, I think we can count on the ACLU to step in to support us: we have First Amendment freedoms that many people will fight to defend. I do not believe that we can be constrained from sharing information on lists such as this one. We should state clearly that we are not MDs and can not give medical advice, but that we know such and such or have heard such and such, and proceed in that manner. These are Constitutionally protected freedoms. . . . JBB On Friday, Nov 21, 2003, at 20:25 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote: If the below is true, then we'll all be in trouble sooner or later. Before everyone panics, can anybody suggest a way to verify the tale being told by this allegedly sympathetic attorney? Be well, Mike D. - Original Message - From: Dominie Bush To: Theresa Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:08 AM Subject: Death of the newsletter and my FMS/CFIDS website?? Dear Newsletter Readers, 1. I was contacted today by a leading attorney whose job it is to warn those who give advice related to health conditions on the internet. This is now illegal, unless you are a medical doctor. My website at http://www.fms-help.com is not in compliance with FTC regulations. 2. Beginning Jan. 1, 2004, the FTC will begin a sting operation where someone will email or call to ask for help with a health problem. Should the kind-hearted soul reply with some advice, they can be fined $250,000--yep, that's a quarter of a million dollars(!) if they are not a medical doctor. I asked the attorney if the FTC would sue companies or individuals and was told that the FTC isn't putting up with it anymore and that individuals will be sued. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSfuzzy tongue
HI, My friend has been drinking CS for over 4 years. She has had a fuzzy tongue for a very long time. For various reasons she did not drink her CS for about a week. It seems her fuzzy tongue went away. My quesrtioncan one get a fuzzytongue from too much CS? Nancy
Re: CS Dog ear infection
Thank you Hanneke. It sure is cheaper! And I'm sure better for the animal. Debbie - Original Message - From: Hanneke To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:40 PM Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V103 #928 Treating regularly recurring earinfections in my Rottweiler with 2 full droppers daily of CS mixed with MSM. Effective and cheap (certainly compared to a 400 dollar vet bill for same problem causing more problems then relief). Hanneke ~ Australia - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:35 AM Subject: silver-digest Digest V103 #928
Re: CSFibro/Lyme/lupus/ALS--etc.
Aloha, Helen, If Dr. Y. Omura is correct, and I believe him, Cilantro and EPA/DHA fish oil may be two of the most powerful medicines available to us, a modest cost, tremendous benefit, and virtually no risk. This man's work continues to astound me, and I recommend that list members keep abreast of his work; his own abstracts, available free online, are generously wrong, and an education for anyone interested in health issues. JBB On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 19:29 Asia/Tokyo, Helena Hsu wrote: Aloha Jonathan, Hmmm... I always buy my Chinese Parsley from Chinatown market place. Yes, the taste and aroma is quite different from the ones sold in the supermarkets here. The Chinese also like to feed once or twice a week, a 10-minute boiled juice of carrots and Chinese parsley (strained, no salt added) to a baby by the time he is 2 months old. I vaguely remember starting with about 1 oz and slowly working up to 4 ozs. for my son. Sometimes a couple of water chestnuts is added to this mix. If I recall correctly, my mother told me this juice is supposed to reduce the baby's heat caused by drinking cow's milk. My son is now 40 yrs. old and it seemed so long ago... LOL. Warmest regards, Helena ~~ At 03:43 PM 11/19/2003, you wrote: R.e. cilantro: my education continues. What I had been buying in Japan as cilantro turns out to be another kind of parsley, very similar in appearance to cilantro. A Thai friend knew the difference and got us some cilantro, which has an astonishing aroma and very nice flavor, I think. (Still not certain of the Japanese name of this plant. . . . ) Bottom line: cilantro looks like some other kinds of Asian parsley, so be sure you know what you are buying, or you will not get the chelating benefit. JBB -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V103 #928
Treating regularly recurring earinfections in my Rottweiler with 2 full droppers daily of CS mixed with MSM. Effective and cheap (certainly compared to a 400 dollar vet bill for same problem causing more problems then relief). Hanneke ~ Australia - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:35 AM Subject: silver-digest Digest V103 #928
