CSRe:spider bite
Wayne, Simplest treatment for a spider bite is an onion, cut one in half, mash the cut surface and apply straight on the bite and leave it there. Works for any insect sting or bite. From my experience, and we have quite a few very venomous spiders here in Australia, it works, even for our Bull ant, his sting is very painful, takes the pain out in seconds, and seems to either neutralise the venom or draw it out. John in Australia - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt wa...@fugitt.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:47 AM Subject: CSSpider Bite Question Good Evening, I am at Day 6 after the spider bite. Day 1 until day 3, I thought it to be a fire ant. ( Day Three of treatment ) I did search the archives and read most of them. About 90 % relate to ignition systems.
Re: CSRe:spider bite
How do you recommend mashing the surface of the cut onion? At 01:59 AM 12/8/03, you wrote: Wayne, Simplest treatment for a spider bite is an onion, cut one in half, mash the cut surface and apply straight on the bite and leave it there. Works for any insect sting or bite. From my experience, and we have quite a few very venomous spiders here in Australia, it works, even for our Bull ant, his sting is very painful, takes the pain out in seconds, and seems to either neutralise the venom or draw it out. John in Australia - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt mailto:wa...@fugitt.comwa...@fugitt.com To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:47 AM Subject: CSSpider Bite Question Good Evening, I am at Day 6 after the spider bite. Day 1 until day 3, I thought it to be a fire ant. ( Day Three of treatment ) I did search the archives and read most of them. About 90 % relate to ignition systems. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT
Someone please take me off of this list. I have tried the proper way 3 times and still get emails. Thank you. -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:pcar...@wyoming.com] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 8:27 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT Interesting, thanks. I will certainly read the entire article, appreciate you sending the link. paula - Original Message - From: Rob mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com Combis Paula- Here is a great article on colloidal silver. http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/colloidal_silver/Colloidal_Silver_Resear ch.html http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/colloidal_silver/Colloidal_Silver_Resea rch.html . I think it does a great job in explaining everything about colloidal silver. I cut and pasted the parts I though appropriate for this discussion below, however the rest of the article is fantastic as well. Rob
Re: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT
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Re: CSWalgreens Vaporizor! - Expert Help Please?
It's probably not a good idea to run it dry and probably is a good idea to rinse it out between fillings. I would think that if any large particles are being formed and getting into the air, they'd be heavier and fall out sooner. But even inhaled silver dust gets eliminated through the feces by 90% in 30 days. It's highly doubtful that a humidifier would be in any way harmful to you at the concentration levels used no matter what it kicks out. So the big question would be, is it helping? Expert 'not' I'm learning too. Humm, I used to have a never used ultrasonic jewlery cleaner around here. Now to find it [the tricky part]load it up with CS and let it run a while. Ode At 12:33 PM 12/6/2003 -0500, you wrote: Thank you Mr. Expert! I could also theorize that the vibrations are knocking the colloidal particles out of suspension and causing them to coagulate and form larger particle clusters. BUT the BIG question is. Is it safe to keep using this in the ultrasonic humidifier or must it be thrown away after one use? Jim Meissner - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: CSWalgreens Vaporizor! - Expert Help Please? I think the brown grey may indicate that a whole lot of air is getting mixed into the CS and is oxidizing the ionic portion. The purple indicates particle agglomeration. Several things can cause this over time including saliva and other contaminants but in this case it might be that ultrasonic vibrations over a long period of time are causing particle collisions...maybe ion collisions too. ode At 11:25 AM 12/4/2003 -0500, you wrote: Would the Experts please give an opinion as to what happened to the good CS after being used in the ultrasonic humidifier. The color today is a brown grey with a hint of purple. Besides the question of what happened, there is also the concern of is it still safe to use or should it be discarded after one use? PWT reading today is 12.6 uS. ORP + 457 mv. The Tindle still looks like mud. - Original Message - From: Jim Meissner jpmeiss...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com; walt kort...@skybest.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:38 AM Subject: Re: CSWalgreens Vaporizor! The CS that I make can be left sitting in direct sunlight without any change in color or strength. It stays clear. BUT I just had the CS that was used in the ultrasonic humidifier turn the color of mud or the color coffee with cream. It turned this color after a day or two. Running through the coffee filter did nothing. The flashlight beam barely makes it through the murky muddy looking water. There now is a massive Tindle effect. I have never seen this happen before and the only difference I can think of is that sunlight was shining on the stored CS that was used in the ultrasonic. My PWT reads 12 uS. The ORP is + 570 mv. Any comment anyone??? - Original Message - From: walt kort...@skybest.com To: Jim Meissner jpmeiss...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:25 PM Subject: Re: CSWalgreens Vaporizor! Great! I wish someone would have stated this in the beginning and i'd gone a different way with it. Thanks Walt - Original Message - From: Jim Meissner jpmeiss...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: Re: CSWalgreens Vaporizor! Dear Walt: I have found that you MUST remove the CS from the ultrasonic vaporizer right after you use it and rinse with plain water. You may even have to scrub the transducer lightly with a cotton swab. If you do not do this, the CS will deposit on the transducer and it will not work the next time you try to use it. When I store the CS after using it in the ultrasonic vaporizer, I run it through the coffee filter to catch the debris that was created in the process. I think the black stuff is silver coming out of suspension. The CS that I use is mostly ionic and therefor I see very little silver deposists. I have used this very successfully for many years in clearing up sinus, throat, and bronchial irritations. - Original Message - From: walt kort...@skybest.com To: Silver-list Silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:37 AM Subject: CSWalgreens Vaporizor! Hi Folks: Got the Walgreens Vaporizer, had to make two pints of CS to hit level of CS that activates the metal electric prob to the Sonic Speaker to make mist. It sat around acouple days after tryng the mist in my lungs etc. Showing the unit somedays later when I opened the top and looked in, there was 2/16 inch clumps of black (?) particles on the base of the plastic holding CS fluid, maybe twelve total.
Re: CSCS DMSO
If a dog gets a tick in his ear, that can cause paralysis. Removing the tic results in a fast recovery. I've had it happen to my coyote dog. [long ago] Ode At 06:42 PM 12/5/2003 -0500, you wrote: One of our family friends was a Chiropractor, and he was always telling stories about fixing dogs with pinched nerves. One had to drag his rear end around. He gave it an adjustment and the little fellow jumped up and ran off yelping his head off I don't know if you know anyone who knows someone that could help in this area, but I know from him that it can work... - Original Message - From: Mary Lou Borgert mborg...@worldnet.att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:19 PM Subject: Re: CSCS DMSO on 11/5/01 4:48 PM, brooks bradley at liat...@flash.net wrote: DEAR BROOKS YOU HAVE HELPED ME IN THE PAST. OUR PEKE DOG HAS A PINCHED NERVE IN HIS BACK AND CANNOT WALK THE VET SAID TO LET HIM REST FOR AWHILE. THIS OCCURED ON THANKSGIVING. MY QUESTION IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I CAN DO TO HELP HIM?? LIKE THE DMSO?? I KNOW YOU ARE NOT A VET, BUT ANYTHING WOULD BE HELPFUL THANKS MARY We established through direct experimentation (to our satisfaction), years ago, the most efficacious approach to a majority of gum insults involving almost any bacteria-based insult---included as a precursor protocol, some address by H202 or sodium perborate. These agents express very powerful subjugation effects on the entire family of opportunistic anerobes generally present in the human mouth. Many of our volunteers avoided, completely, scheduled gum-trim surgery simply by following a very simple protocol based upon 3.5% H202. Our most pronounced success resulted from a combination of H202, followed immediately with a 10 to 15 ppm CS swish-and-retain (about 1 tblsp) for 4--5 min..three times daily. In these early experiments we did not employ DMSO. Later, we did include low-percentage DMSOwith splendid results. Do remember that DMSO is VERY bittereven in low concentrations. Additionally, be advised that our volunteers DID NOT swallow the CS X DMSO solutions (although it would not have been injurious to have done so). I wish to emphasize we DID NOT mix the H202 solutions with the CS prior to usebut followed the H202 with the CS. Interestingly, we achieved superior results from, always, utilizing the H202 first..then using the CS. Speculation on this result seemed to endorse that the advantage sprang from a residual bacteria-subjugating effect from the CS. However, we did not invest any effort in an attempt to substantiate this possibility. Subjects DID NOT rinse their mouth between application of H202 and CS. One of the outstanding advantages of this protocol is it allows realtime evaluation of its effects. The subject is aware--- in a matter of momentsof both the severity of the bacterial insult-and the degree of response to the H202. This allows for an immediate repetition of the H202 protocol.when indicated. I posted information with, essentially, this same content...a couple of years ago. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. p.s. This protocol proved effective even in cases where the subjects refused to brush their teeth regularly-some not at all. --- Original Message - From: Kehoe ke...@ticon.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: CSCS DMSO What cautions are there for using CS DMSO?? I have never used DMSO before and I want to make sure I do not do anything stupid. I want to use it for gum disease. Nothing has worked for me so far. I also want to use it for back pain and nerve damage. Thanks, CK -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Silver-resistant micro-organisms?
Same here, except instead of one year, I am talking about almost 5 years. I have not been sick for 5 years now. :) Also I use to get about a cold sore a month for over 40 years, and have not had one now in the last 5 years either. Marshall Marshall sol wrote: H, not enough doses of injectible vaccine, huge scares, huge press coverage of the coming epidemic and deaths expected, and, AH HAH, a nasal spray alternative that possibly wasn't selling well? Something smells of fish. My personal experience has been that in years when I didn't know about or use CS and got my flu shot yearly I was sick all the time, caught every bug going and never could shake them but would remain ill more than well for about 3 months with every cold or flu (which translates to I felt ill more than half of each year)..In the past year, since CS, I have not gotten a flu shot, and don't catch anything. paula - Original Message - From: jrowl...@nctimes.net Matthew writes: Here's a highly detailed description (Yuck!) of what is being massively promoted, both in advertisements AND in radio/TV news content, to replace the diminishing regular vaccine supply: Influenza Virus Vaccine Live, Intranasal (FluMistT) is a live trivalent nasally administered vaccine intended for active immunization for the prevention of influenza... http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/flumist.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAlleviation of silver toxicity by selenite
I wonder what for the silver was in. Marshall David Bearrow wrote: I found the following study to be of interest: Alleviation of silver toxicity by selenite in the rat in relation to tissue glutathione peroxidase PA Wagner, WG Hoekstra and HE Ganther Dietary Se (0.5 ppm Se supplied as sodium selenite to a casein-based diet containing 0.02 ppm Se and lacking in vitamin E) prevented the growth depression observed in rats receiving 76 ppm Ag in the water supply and markedly improved growth and survival of those given 751 ppm Ag. The Ag concentration of liver and possibly of kidney was increased by Se. Liver glutathione peroxidase activities from rats fed 0.5 ppm Se and given 76 and 751 ppm Ag for 52 days in their water were, respectively, 30% and 4% of those from control rats fed 0.5 ppmSe without Ag. In rats fed a diet, adequate in vitamin E (100 IU/kg) and Se (0.5 ppm as sodium selenite), administration of 751 ppm Ag in the water for 15 wk reduced liver GSH-Px activity to 5% of that from control rats receiving no Ag. GSH-Px activity of erythrocytes and kidney was decreased by Ag to 37% and 38%, respectively, of control values. It is concluded that in vivo administration of Ag dramatically decreased liver GSH-Px in rats fed Se-supplemented diets with or without vitamin E. Furthermore, supplemental Se (0.5 ppm) prevented the growth depression and mortality caused by Ag in rats fed a diet lacking vitamin E, while increasing the Ag concentration of liver and kidney. Proceedings of the Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine, Vol 148, 1106-1110, Copyright © 1975 by Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine +- Bentonite Clay for sale-+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html ¦ David Bearrow ¦ ¦ dav...@sbcglobal.net ¦ + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver-heavy metal
What is a heavy metal? It depends on who you ask! According to Chemistry International Vol 23, No.6 November 2001 - Heavy Metals - A Meaningless Term Over the past two decades, the term heavy metals has been used increasingly in various publications and in legislation related to chemical hazards and the safe use of chemicals. It is often used as a group name for metals and semimetals (metalloids) that have been associated with contamination and potential toxicity or ecotoxicity. At the same time, legal regulations often specify a list of heavy metals to which they apply. Such lists may differ from one set of regulations to the other, or the term may be used without specifying which heavy metals are covered. In other words, the term heavy metals has been used inconsistently. This practice has led to general confusion regarding the significance of the term. The inconsistent use of the term heavy metals reflects inconsistency in the scientific literature. It is, therefore, necessary to review the usage that has developed for the term, paying particular attention to its relationship to fundamental chemistry. Without care for the scientific fundamentals, confused thought is likely to prevent advances in scientific knowledge and to lead to bad legislation and to generally bad decision-making. Def 1.) A generalized definition in common use: One of 23 chemical elements that has a specific gravity (a measure of density) at least five times that of water. Def 2.) Definition according to OSHA - The term Heavy Metals is generally interpreted to include those metals from periodic table groups IIA through VIA. The semi-metallic elements boron, arsenic, selenium, and tellurium are often included in this classification. At trace levels, many of these elements are necessary to support life. However, at elevated levels they become toxic, may build up in biological systems, and become a significant health hazard. Def 3.) Definition used by many - The term heavy metal refers to any metallic chemical element that has a relatively high density and is toxic, highly toxic or poisonous at low concentrations. Examples of heavy metals include mercury (Hg), cadmium (Cd), arsenic (As), chromium (Cr), thallium (Tl), and lead (Pb). Heavy metals are dangerous because they tend to bioaccumulate. For example, marine organisms can consume a particularly dangerous form of mercury called methylmercury. When fish eat these organisms, the methylmercury is not excreted, but retained in bodily tissues. The older the fish and the more contaminated organisms it has consumed, the greater the amount of methylmercury in its tissues. When another fish eats the first fish, the accumulated methylmercury is passed up the food chain, eventually becoming hundreds or thousands of times its original concentration. Any organism at the top of the food chain (humans, polar bears etc.) faces a serious risk of mercury poisoning by eating such fish. More on heavy metals here.
Re: CSSilver-resistant micro-organisms?
colloidal.sil...@cox.net wrote: Well... If we soon se a silver-resistant strain of the flu, that can be genetically traced to these bacteria, then that's rock solid proof for a class action suite against the vaccine flu flim flam business... Will they pick up on this tid bit and promptly breed a new flu strain using part of the rna dna of these bacteria ?Only time will tell. However if it is done, the charges should be both treason, and genecide. It could be indicative of such, but I am not certain it would be rock hard proof. Bacteria have been known for quite some time to exchange dna, that is how immunity to antibiotics often develops. It could be nothing more than a silver miner getting the flu, and ending up with a silver immune version. However it is my understanding that this particular trait is disposed of quite quickly once the threat of silver is eliminated, so it is quite possible that even such a strain would quickly die out unless the general population had silver in their blood. Marshall
Re: CSsilver-heavy metal
sol wrote: I have read many times here that silver is NOT a heavy metal, but researching for another reason I ran across this link that specifically lists silver as a heavy metal, though it does not list silver as one of the commonly found toxic metals. So is silver a heavy metal or not? Anybody know its specific gravity? It is a transition metal. Atomic weight is 108, almost half the point where heavy metals start. Gold is the heavest transition metal at 197, and mercury is the lightest heavy metal at 200.6 The difference is properties is remarkable, most people can wear gold (or silver) jewelry for their entire live with no consequences, yet contact with mercury for only a few hours can cause a lifetime of mercury poisoning. Marshall I am not about to give up my CS, but would like to be accurate when conversing with people who say silver is a heavy metal. I don't want to say is is not, if in fact it ispaulahttp://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-156.shtml#intro There are 35 metals that concern us because of occupational or residential exposure; 23 of these are the heavy elements or heavy metals: antimony, arsenic, bismuth, cadmium, cerium, chromium, cobalt, copper, gallium, gold, iron, lead, manganese, mercury, nickel, platinum, silver, tellurium, thallium, tin, uranium, vanadium, and zinc (Glanze 1996).Definition of a Heavy Metal Heavy metals are chemical elements with a specific gravity that is at least 5 times the specific gravity of water. The specific gravity of water is 1 at 4°C (39°F). Simply stated, specific gravity is a measure of density of a given amount of a solid substance when it is compared to an equal amount of water. Some well-known toxic metallic elements with a specific gravity that is 5 or more times that of water are arsenic, 5.7; cadmium, 8.65; iron, 7.9; lead, 11.34; and mercury, 13.546 (Lide 1992).Commonly Encountered Toxic Heavy MetALS * Arsenic * Lead * Mercury * Cadmium * Iron * Aluminum
Re: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT
One of the primary problems is that what consitutes heavy metals is defined quite differently by different groups. For soap makers it is virtually any metal except sodium. For chemists it appears to comprise a block of all the metals in Groups 3 to 16 that are in periods 4 and greater which includes most metals, including silver and copper and iron. But we are concerned with the definition as related to life sciences. That is, which ones give heavy metal poisoning if taken internally. For that it seems the the atomic weight of 200 is the key definition for this. See http://jchemed.chem.wisc.edu/Journal/Issues/1997/Nov/abs1374.html for information on this lack of a consistant definition. The transition metals are listed at: http://www.infoplease.com/periodictable.php?group=F Indeed, some ( definitions http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?query=heavy+metals ) show copper zinc and iron as heavy metals, metals that are absolutely essential to life. Significant amoutns of iron are needed for the blood, so this definition is obviously wrong for trying to determine which metals are heavy metals associated with toxcitity. Marshall sol wrote: That's ok, people seem to be mis-reading my intent, I do not need arguments that silver is not toxic or that water can be toxic. I just want to stop telling folks it is not a heavy metal, if in fact it is. I have also read it called a transition metal, and the toxic heavy metals are also listed as transition metals on the table I sent the link to. I sh ould have researched this a long time ago, and not parroted things I read. There is plenty of evidence that silver (EIS) is not toxic without making false arguments, which is what I want to avoid, as when I myself find out that a fact is mis-stated or false, I tend to disbelieve everything else, you know? I simply want to be accurate.paula - Original Message - From: mamapug Even water is toxic in amounts large enough to drown in. Water can also be toxic when swallowed in large amounts. Here in Utah, a couple is up for murder, for forcing their adopted child to drink quarts of water as a punishment.It killed her. She was 5.Marshalee
Re: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT
Excellent article. I that that one says it all. Marshall Jason Eaton wrote: Greetings, all: The debate on whether or not silver is a heavy metal is relatively trite. Are we talking legally? Medically? What exactly defines a heavy metal, and why? These are the questions that people, perhaps, should be asking. Medically, silver is not usually regarded as a heavy metal: http://www.cignamedicare.com/partb/lmrp/nc/cms_fu/2001-006.htm The term heavy metal is not a scientific one, nor is it a technical classification recognized by any school of formal modern chemistry: HEAVY METALS-A MEANINGLESS TERM? (IUPAC Technical Report) Prepared for publication by JOHN H. DUFFUS The Edinburgh Centre for Toxicology, 43 Mansionhouse Road, Edinburgh EH9 2JD, Scotland, United Kingdom http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/2002/pdf/7405x0793.pdf As the above document shows, it depends on who you talk to, and what government regulatory agency is involved. According to Medicare, silver is not a heavy metal. SILVER IS A TRANSITION element that does not share the toxicology of other metals loosely coined heavy metals. People who get stuck on the heavy metal idea need to study the history of chemistry, and the history of the term heavy metal for clarity. Arguing with ignorance has little value. Best Regards, Jason silvermedicine.org -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:spider bite
Meat Tenderizer might be good too. It is about the best thing for bee and wasp stings. It breaks down the protein toxin to harmless components immediately. Be sure it is the one that uses papayan in it. Marshall h...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Wayne, Simplest treatment for a spider bite is an onion, cut one in half, mash the cut surface and apply straight on the bite and leave it there. Works for any insect sting or bite. From my experience, and we have quite a few very venomous spiders here in Australia, it works, even for our Bull ant, his sting is very painful, takes the pain out in seconds, and seems to either neutralise the venom or draw it out. John in Australia - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt wa...@fugitt.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:47 AM Subject: CSSpider Bite Question Good Evening, I am at Day 6 after the spider bite. Day 1 until day 3, I thought it to be a fire ant. ( Day Three of treatment ) I did search the archives and read most of them. About 90 % relate to ignition systems.
Re: CSCS DMSO
Is that due to an acupuncture meridian? I have read that there is a meridian that runs through the human lobe, and if a piercer hits it, it can lead to severe health problems for the person the rest of their life unless they let it heal up. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: If a dog gets a tick in his ear, that can cause paralysis. Removing the tic results in a fast recovery. I've had it happen to my coyote dog. [long ago] Ode At 06:42 PM 12/5/2003 -0500, you wrote: One of our family friends was a Chiropractor, and he was always telling stories about fixing dogs with pinched nerves. One had to drag his rear end around. He gave it an adjustment and the little fellow jumped up and ran off yelping his head off I don't know if you know anyone who knows someone that could help in this area, but I know from him that it can work... - Original Message - From: Mary Lou Borgert mborg...@worldnet.att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:19 PM Subject: Re: CSCS DMSO on 11/5/01 4:48 PM, brooks bradley at liat...@flash.net wrote: DEAR BROOKS YOU HAVE HELPED ME IN THE PAST. OUR PEKE DOG HAS A PINCHED NERVE IN HIS BACK AND CANNOT WALK THE VET SAID TO LET HIM REST FOR AWHILE. THIS OCCURED ON THANKSGIVING. MY QUESTION IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I CAN DO TO HELP HIM?? LIKE THE DMSO?? I KNOW YOU ARE NOT A VET, BUT ANYTHING WOULD BE HELPFUL THANKS MARY We established through direct experimentation (to our satisfaction), years ago, the most efficacious approach to a majority of gum insults involving almost any bacteria-based insult---included as a precursor protocol, some address by H202 or sodium perborate. These agents express very powerful subjugation effects on the entire family of opportunistic anerobes generally present in the human mouth. Many of our volunteers avoided, completely, scheduled gum-trim surgery simply by following a very simple protocol based upon 3.5% H202. Our most pronounced success resulted from a combination of H202, followed immediately with a 10 to 15 ppm CS swish-and-retain (about 1 tblsp) for 4--5 min..three times daily. In these early experiments we did not employ DMSO. Later, we did include low-percentage DMSOwith splendid results. Do remember that DMSO is VERY bittereven in low concentrations. Additionally, be advised that our volunteers DID NOT swallow the CS X DMSO solutions (although it would not have been injurious to have done so). I wish to emphasize we DID NOT mix the H202 solutions with the CS prior to usebut followed the H202 with the CS. Interestingly, we achieved superior results from, always, utilizing the H202 first..then using the CS. Speculation on this result seemed to endorse that the advantage sprang from a residual bacteria-subjugating effect from the CS. However, we did not invest any effort in an attempt to substantiate this possibility. Subjects DID NOT rinse their mouth between application of H202 and CS. One of the outstanding advantages of this protocol is it allows realtime evaluation of its effects. The subject is aware--- in a matter of momentsof both the severity of the bacterial insult-and the degree of response to the H202. This allows for an immediate repetition of the H202 protocol.when indicated. I posted information with, essentially, this same content...a couple of years ago. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. p.s. This protocol proved effective even in cases where the subjects refused to brush their teeth regularly-some not at all. --- Original Message - From: Kehoe ke...@ticon.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: CSCS DMSO What cautions are there for using CS DMSO?? I have never used DMSO before and I want to make sure I do not do anything stupid. I want to use it for gum disease. Nothing has worked for me so far. I also want to use it for back pain and nerve damage. Thanks, CK -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDog with hot spot infection
Our mix [inclu some golden] is prone to hot spots around his rump area. Awful things and if they get going quite scary. The vet perscribes Neo-Predef and it has been helpful. Lately, I seem to be having pretty good luck with drowning the whole area with CS. I have a pint, former liquid dish soap bottle filled with home-made cs and at first sign, I really soak the whole area with cs. The spots seem to spread like wildfire somnetimes. If I can spray or shake the NeoP on the raw area, it does seem to take the sting out of it for Dodger. I would like to get some liq. lidocane [or Brooks says novacaine is similar] to include withg the cs to take the hurt out of it. If the dog wont leave the spot alone after treatment, ya may have to go with a collar. Did ya know, when any dog wears a queen-anne collar ya have to change their name to: Flashlight ..just kidding, left-brainers. davido On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:30:30 EST brick...@aol.com writes: My Golden Ret. pup developed a skin infection with a real foul odor. Christmas tree customers said it is called hot spot. I applied coconut oil, CS with DMSO, and rubbed it in, and sprayed CS into his mouth. He lost several patches of his coat but new hair is coming out. The foul smell is practically gone. Has anyone else tried to treat hot spot? Update on my own CS use. I have been using the nasal irrigator (Grossan) for about 3 weeks and follow each irrigation with about 70 ml of CS, DMSO, MSM and GSE. My sinus is still draining but appears to be getting better. I have used the device as much as 4 times per day. Yearly dentist inspection came up with no cavities. I take at least 2 ounces CS per day and hold for at least 3 minutes. Eye DR saw small cataracts still even with me using CS + DMSO eye drops daily. Brickey
Re: CSHerxheimers
I have no idea where you get the idea that it is not mentioned for conventional medical therapy. I have seen it mentioned several times. But for conventional therapy, we are talking about antibiotics, and the place it will be mentioned will be with literature and courses for doctors, not the patient who it is assumed is a total idiot, since you cannot get antibiotics without a doctor's prescription. However, since alternative therapies are not supervised or approved by a doctor normally, this information must be supplied to the patient, who if they are using alternative therapies is assumed to be rather smart and can understand this. It is not unusual for a person to be killed in a hospital by antibiotics from Herx, if a person is near death, it can be a fine line between giving insufficient antibiotics to kill off the infection, and killing the patient from the Herx. Marshall Dan Nave wrote: Why is it that reports of Herxheimers effect is common when dealing with alternative healing techniques, but is almost never mentioned in connection with conventional medical therapy? Thanks, Dan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Alleviation of silver toxicity by selenite
From Natural and Alternative Medicine (Beta Testing) Forum, a suggested cure for Argyria: This individual utilized 32 ounces of silver chloride daily for 2.5 years and cured a very late stage case of Nuerosyphilis... http://www.silvermedicine.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13 jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
Paula, Some people seem to have a green thumb. Maybe you have a yellow thumb. Dan Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis From: sol (view other messages by this author) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:33:33 No northern lights visible here, in the corner of southwest wyoming.maybe up in Jackson or Yellowstone, 4 to 7 hours drive from here. Ozone, huh? Could ozone account for the fact that if I let the distiller bring the water to a boil, and then let it boil uncovered 3 to 5 minutes before sealing it, the distilled water comes out with much higher uS reading? Ole Bob suggested I try that method to improve my DW, but it made it worse, which I confirmed with at least 3 trials. Both Ole Bob and my husband say that it is impossible, but that is what happens. There is sulphur in the air here, but I've been watching sterling silver tarnish, and it doesn't seem to me to be excessively fast.some so-called people (I prefer to call them brainless idiots) do drive to Bridger Coal and get free coal from their rejected heap (VERY high sulphur, very poor quality coal) and burn it in their wood-burning stovesothers seem to be burning old tires and any garbage they collectwhen the wind doesn't blow the smoke builds up like fog, and I have a lot of trouble breathing. And it is really stupid because we have some of the cheapest natural gas and electricity in the country, and the cheap ba*s still gotta suffocate me. Still, that is winter, and my CS goes yellow in summer also, when wood stoves and fireplaces aren't burning. paula -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHerxheimers
Why is it that reports of Herxheimers effect is common when dealing with alternative healing techniques, but is almost never mentioned in connection with conventional medical therapy? Thanks, Dan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:spider bite
Mash the surface?? Use a knife, cut crossways on the cut surface down to 1/4 of an inch depth..in an emergency, use your finger nail, anything, piece of wire.. John in Australia - Original Message - From: David Bearrow dav...@sbcglobal.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 11:41 PM Subject: Re: CSRe:spider bite How do you recommend mashing the surface of the cut onion? At 01:59 AM 12/8/03, you wrote: Wayne, Simplest treatment for a spider bite is an onion, cut one in half, mash the cut surface and apply straight on the bite and leave it there. Works for any insect sting or bite. From my experience, and we have quite a few very venomous spiders here in Australia, it works, even for our Bull ant, his sting is very painful, takes the pain out in seconds, and seems to either neutralise the venom or draw it out. John in Australia - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt mailto:wa...@fugitt.comwa...@fugitt.com To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:47 AM Subject: CSSpider Bite Question Good Evening, I am at Day 6 after the spider bite. Day 1 until day 3, I thought it to be a fire ant. ( Day Three of treatment ) I did search the archives and read most of them. About 90 % relate to ignition systems. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
Now, there's a scary thought! paula - Original Message - From: Dan Nave dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com Some people seem to have a green thumb. Maybe you have a yellow thumb. Dan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWalgreens Vaporizor! - Expert Help Please?
I saw a humidifier in the store with big ole letters agION on the box. Weeelll, we know what ag stands for and what ion is. This silver thing is hitting the mainstream big time. I bought it [$25 at Big Lots] It uses a silver inpregnated filter [Walt] to wick water from a reservoir and a fan sucks air through it. It is an evaporative humidifier same as a steam type except it uses a swamp cooler effect like a desert air conditioner to evaporate the water rather than heat. It will NOT place CS into the air. It WILL concentrate CS and deposit silver oxides all over itself. Ode http://www.agion-tech.com/NewsDetail.asp?PressID=47 Copyright ©2003 AgION Technologies PRESS RELEASESS AMERICA'S HOMELAND SECURITY ENHANCED BY PALADIN CAPITAL'S $10.5 MILLION INVESTMENT IN AGION TECHNOLOGIES' WAR AGAINST BACTERIA AMERICA'S HOMELAND SECURITY ENHANCED BY PALADIN CAPITAL'S $10.5 MILLION INVESTMENT IN AGION TECHNOLOGIES' WAR AGAINST BACTERIA Washington, D.C., January 28, 2003 - Paladin Capital Group's Homeland Security and Partners' Funds announced today a $10.5 million investment in AgION Technologies, Inc., the leading provider of engineered antimicrobial solutions that continuously prevent the growth of bacteria, mold, and fungus on a broad range of industrial, consumer and medical products. Michael Steed, Paladin's Managing Director, created Paladin's Homeland Security Fund by bringing together former top military and intelligence officials including the CIA's James Woolsey, National Security Agency's Lt. General Kenneth Minihan and Naval Warfare technical advisor, Dr. Alf Andreassen, to develop the Paladin Homeland Security Fund to invest in existing companies with immediate solutions designed to prevent and defend against terrorist attacks as well as to cope and recover from such attacks or other threats. AgION will use this new funding to expand sales and marketing while it continues its development of cutting-edge product applications. The Company's flagship product is sold under the AgION trademark, and when AgION? is incorporated into or applied to finished products, it will continuously control the growth of microbes in or on the product. In most cases its use can be engineered to last for the lifetime of the product. The technology also is safe and efficacious. AgION antimicrobial is registered with the EPA for numerous applications including food and drinking water contact as well as heating, ventilation and air conditioning systems. It also is recognized by the FDA as an acceptable food contact substance. Given the enormous range of applications for the AgION antimicrobial, a diverse number of global companies have capitalized on AgION engineered solutions. These include: Honeywell (humidifiers); DuPont (various coatings for multiple applications); Vygon (medical catheters); Bosch Siemens BSH (refrigerators); Doctors' Research Group (stethoscope diaphragms); Specialty Filaments (janitorial and home brushes); Ice-O-Matic (ice dispensers); Robitussin (humidifiers); Teva Sandals (2001 Time magazine Most Innovative Product winner); Colorcon (medical, food and pharmaceutical packaging); FossFibre (fiber for filters and bedding); Sargent's SARGuard (architectural hardware for commercial construction); Waterpik (personal health care); and AK Steel (stainless and carbon steel for multiple applications - Popular Science Best of What's New 2001). In addition, the AgION antimicrobial is being featured in the AK Steel Concept Home, an award-winning antimicrobial home, now under construction in the Los Angeles area (www.akconcepthome.com). Honeywell Humidity Control- Flow through Humidifier ... to the Agion antimicrobial coating website to learn more about the compound. How often should the humidifer pad be replaced, and how is it done? Honeywell ... content.honeywell.com/yourhome/ humidity/HE225_265faq.htm - 37k # How does Agion antimicrobial coating work? Agion antimicrobial coating uses silver to reduce contaminant growth. Silver has been used to combat harmful bacteria throughout history, dating back to the Middle Ages. Silver ions, the active ingredient, are bonded to a naturally occurring ceramic material that is completely inert. Therefore it is released at a slow and steady rate. Ambient moisture in the air causes low-level release of the ions that effectively maintains the antimicrobial surface. As humidity increases and the environment becomes ideal for bacterial growth, more silver is released. There is a maximum release rate so in very wet conditions, like on a humidifier pad, the silver releases very slowly, insuring long term protection. # How else has Agion antimicrobial coating been used? Agion antimicrobial coating has received FDA approval for use in a variety of different ways. The compound is used in medical devices such as bandages and adhesives for wounds, catheters, pacemakers, even heart valves. It is also used in food packaging and preparation applications
RE: CSHerxheimers
It is an issue in conventional therapy. Anything that causes the cell wall to break will release the contents of the pathogen cell. If it is a type that contains an endotoxin, the patent's symptoms will become more pronounced. JOH -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHerxheimers Why is it that reports of Herxheimers effect is common when dealing with alternative healing techniques, but is almost never mentioned in connection with conventional medical therapy? Thanks, Dan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWalgreens Vaporizor! - Expert Help Please?
My Thanks for an excellent post, Ken. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:55 PM Subject: Re: CSWalgreens Vaporizor! - Expert Help Please? I saw a humidifier in the store with big ole letters agION on the box. Weeelll, we know what ag stands for and what ion is. This silver thing is hitting the mainstream big time. I bought it [$25 at Big Lots] It uses a silver inpregnated filter [Walt] to wick water from a reservoir and a fan sucks air through it. It is an evaporative humidifier same as a steam type except it uses a swamp cooler effect like a desert air conditioner to evaporate the water rather than heat. It will NOT place CS into the air. It WILL concentrate CS and deposit silver oxides all over itself. Ode http://www.agion-tech.com/NewsDetail.asp?PressID=47 Copyright ©2003 AgION Technologies PRESS RELEASESS AMERICA'S HOMELAND SECURITY ENHANCED BY PALADIN CAPITAL'S $10.5 MILLION INVESTMENT IN AGION TECHNOLOGIES' WAR AGAINST BACTERIA AMERICA'S HOMELAND SECURITY ENHANCED BY PALADIN CAPITAL'S $10.5 MILLION INVESTMENT IN AGION TECHNOLOGIES' WAR AGAINST BACTERIA Washington, D.C., January 28, 2003 - Paladin Capital Group's Homeland Security and Partners' Funds announced today a $10.5 million investment in AgION Technologies, Inc., the leading provider of engineered antimicrobial solutions that continuously prevent the growth of bacteria, mold, and fungus on a broad range of industrial, consumer and medical products. Michael Steed, Paladin's Managing Director, created Paladin's Homeland Security Fund by bringing together former top military and intelligence officials including the CIA's James Woolsey, National Security Agency's Lt. General Kenneth Minihan and Naval Warfare technical advisor, Dr. Alf Andreassen, to develop the Paladin Homeland Security Fund to invest in existing companies with immediate solutions designed to prevent and defend against terrorist attacks as well as to cope and recover from such attacks or other threats. AgION will use this new funding to expand sales and marketing while it continues its development of cutting-edge product applications. The Company's flagship product is sold under the AgION trademark, and when AgION? is incorporated into or applied to finished products, it will continuously control the growth of microbes in or on the product. In most cases its use can be engineered to last for the lifetime of the product. The technology also is safe and efficacious. AgION antimicrobial is registered with the EPA for numerous applications including food and drinking water contact as well as heating, ventilation and air conditioning systems. It also is recognized by the FDA as an acceptable food contact substance. Given the enormous range of applications for the AgION antimicrobial, a diverse number of global companies have capitalized on AgION engineered solutions. These include: Honeywell (humidifiers); DuPont (various coatings for multiple applications); Vygon (medical catheters); Bosch Siemens BSH (refrigerators); Doctors' Research Group (stethoscope diaphragms); Specialty Filaments (janitorial and home brushes); Ice-O-Matic (ice dispensers); Robitussin (humidifiers); Teva Sandals (2001 Time magazine Most Innovative Product winner); Colorcon (medical, food and pharmaceutical packaging); FossFibre (fiber for filters and bedding); Sargent's SARGuard (architectural hardware for commercial construction); Waterpik (personal health care); and AK Steel (stainless and carbon steel for multiple applications - Popular Science Best of What's New 2001). In addition, the AgION antimicrobial is being featured in the AK Steel Concept Home, an award-winning antimicrobial home, now under construction in the Los Angeles area (www.akconcepthome.com). Honeywell Humidity Control- Flow through Humidifier ... to the AgionT antimicrobial coating website to learn more about the compound. How often should the humidifer pad be replaced, and how is it done? Honeywell ... content.honeywell.com/yourhome/ humidity/HE225_265faq.htm - 37k # How does AgionT antimicrobial coating work? AgionT antimicrobial coating uses silver to reduce contaminant growth. Silver has been used to combat harmful bacteria throughout history, dating back to the Middle Ages. Silver ions, the active ingredient, are bonded to a naturally occurring ceramic material that is completely inert. Therefore it is released at a slow and steady rate. Ambient moisture in the air causes low-level release of the ions that effectively maintains the antimicrobial surface. As humidity increases and the environment becomes ideal for bacterial growth, more silver is released. There is a maximum release rate so in very wet conditions, like on a humidifier pad, the silver releases very slowly,
Re: CSWalgreens Vaporizor! - Expert Help Please?
Ode Coyote 12/8/03 5:47 AM Wrote: Humm, I used to have a never used ultrasonic jewlery cleaner around here. Now to find it [the tricky part]load it up with CS and let it run a while. Are you sure they know that you are kidding?? Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAgCl in water purifiers question
Everybody, I've been meaning to mention that I had a set of tests run, eight silver chloride, ceramic purifiers, for the presence of silver in the filtered water. Checking on solubility, the coef. for silver chloride is 0.89 (I think), and with some calculation it appeared possible that just under 1.0 ppm of AgCl is in solution in 100 ml. of water. But for the tests, only two of the eight candles indicated silver in the filtrate, and those just barely detectable. If I recall correctly the lowest detectable silver is 0.01 mgs. and what we showed for the two candles out of eight was 0.02. We should test again over time, liter by liter. I begin to understand that solubility concerns a maximum amount of a substance that can be present in solution, very much the fledgling here. So I have a couple of questions: How would the solubility work? Considering the AgCl is probably in individual molecules or small groups of molecules, do these individually disolve within the on coming water? And wouldn't it be that there are two or more solutions? One is in the container of filtered water and the other one(s) are inside the ceramic? In my curiosity (and ignorance?) I imagine that we could measure the amount of AgCl within an individual pore of the ceramic, and this should relate to disolved AgCl within the filtrate. But how is it the filtered water could contain about 1.0 ppm of AgCl, while the tests indicate this is at undetectable levels? Am I making a short matter long? Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Alleviation of silver toxicity by selenite
jr, The article is very interesting to me, for one, especially while looking into AgCl toxicity for a ceramic water purifier (previous message). But can you tell me, why would anyone consider using AgCl? Is there a lack of awareness that CS could do much the same, without the argyria, or am I missing something? Also, there's no indication of the concentration of AgCl in solution. Do you know any more about this? And how can AgCl be produced by electrolysis? Thanks, Reid jrowland said: From Natural and Alternative Medicine (Beta Testing) Forum, a suggested cure for Argyria: This individual utilized 32 ounces of silver chloride daily for 2.5 years and cured a very late stage case of Nuerosyphilis... http://www.silvermedicine.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13 jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCloudy CS??
I'm way behind on reading the list, but as it seems there are no more posts in this thread I will add my 2 cents worth. You definitely have some sort of contamination. Either the water, on the electrodes, on the lid or jar, etc. With 9 volts and no contamination you would probably not see a reaction before an hour, at least in my experience. Even then I had to shine a light from behind to see the 'whatever' cloud. You said you saw a reaction immediately. Definitely contaminated. Dan RE: CSCloudy CS?? * From: Robert Finsel (view other messages by this author) * Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:29:13 Wayne Fugitt wrote Evening Robert, Wow, if you were as good at making CS, as you are with the photos, you would have no problems. grin Great photos. Thank you. I have years of photography experience and very little making CS. With a little help I believe I can improve. How much voltage are you using? 9 volts / 100 mA I would suggest a current meter as to track the beginning and ending current. Right now all I have is a simple multi meter that I don't have a clue how to operate. While I don't consider myself an expert, I think you are making too strong a brew. Could be, I don't know. Wayne Has anyone one else seen results similar to mine? You can view pictures of my last batch in the making at the following link. http://www.dbdhosting.com/Silver/3rd%20Gallery/ You can view my setup and first batch in the making at the following link http://www.dbdhosting.com/Silver/ Has your CS ever turned out as cloudy as mine? How much do you make at a time? What kind of power do you use? Well at least my CS isn't lethal anyway. I have been taking it and it seems to have chased off my latest sinus infection. Thank you for you comments Wayne. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Alleviation of silver toxicity by selenite
Reid writes: Do you know any more about this? No, I don't. Came across it quite by accident, and just assumed Whomever had made their CS with salt added to their distilled water before brewing, as some of the earliest CS recipes suggested to speed the process along---a definite no-no. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHerxheimers
In Japan a few years ago, this problem mentioned below was a BIG problem in treating children who has O-157 coli bacteria infection from some food source.Aggressive efforts to kill the bacteria released the toxins within the bacterial cell wall; several children died before less aggressive measures were implemented. From a layman's point of view, early action is crucial. However, if there are no symptoms, as in the recent scallion-borne epidemic in the USA, what is one to do? 30 days go by without any sign, then, WHAM.One is very sick. I think we need some widespread system of self-checks using applied kinesiology, as developed by Y. Omura, M.D., to have a network of trained human sensors as an early warning network for both natural epidemics and those created by terrorists.This, sadly, is a very difficult idea to promote.I am trying . . . . JBB On Tuesday, Dec 9, 2003, at 07:10 Asia/Tokyo, James Holmes wrote: It is an issue in conventional therapy. Anything that causes the cell wall to break will release the contents of the pathogen cell. If it is a type that contains an endotoxin, the patent's symptoms will become more pronounced. JOH -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHerxheimers Why is it that reports of Herxheimers effect is common when dealing with alternative healing techniques, but is almost never mentioned in connection with conventional medical therapy? Thanks, Dan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHerxheimers
What this means when taking silver; start small and then build up. Start with a teaspoon full. Wait and watch. If symptoms increase, usually fever, chills, and increased discomfort, wait. Continue after symptoms subside, slowly increasing the dose. JOH -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHerxheimers In Japan a few years ago, this problem mentioned below was a BIG problem in treating children who has O-157 coli bacteria infection from some food source.Aggressive efforts to kill the bacteria released the toxins within the bacterial cell wall; several children died before less aggressive measures were implemented. From a layman's point of view, early action is crucial. However, if there are no symptoms, as in the recent scallion-borne epidemic in the USA, what is one to do? 30 days go by without any sign, then, WHAM.One is very sick. I think we need some widespread system of self-checks using applied kinesiology, as developed by Y. Omura, M.D., to have a network of trained human sensors as an early warning network for both natural epidemics and those created by terrorists.This, sadly, is a very difficult idea to promote.I am trying . . . . JBB On Tuesday, Dec 9, 2003, at 07:10 Asia/Tokyo, James Holmes wrote: It is an issue in conventional therapy. Anything that causes the cell wall to break will release the contents of the pathogen cell. If it is a type that contains an endotoxin, the patent's symptoms will become more pronounced. JOH -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHerxheimers Why is it that reports of Herxheimers effect is common when dealing with alternative healing techniques, but is almost never mentioned in connection with conventional medical therapy? Thanks, Dan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:spider bite
Marshall the group, Here in Australia, our family ran a Truck Stop, and one night one of the truckies (in US, read truckers!) came in for fuel and was in the advanced stage of affects from a spider bite. He was perspiring, had the shakes, and was not a very well man. He insisted on driving on as he had to get his urgent load through to Brisbane, which in driving terms was 12 hours constant driving north. I pleaded with him for me to take him to the hospital, but he refused. I remembered my grandmother's onion cure, and placed a mashed onion on his leg, bound it up, and make him promise to ring me from the next town. Long story short, he forgot, I was worried sick for his welfare, he ended up ringing me 2 hours later. He was amazed, said he felt the change almost immediately, and so well in fact that he forgot to ring me as we had planned! Years ago my younger brother got bitten on the butt by a Red Back spider, very similar to the US Black Widow, and for young'uns, deadly, Well on went the onion, and within and hour, almost no evidence of the bite, swelling was reduced to a small localised area, and no toxicity effects.. John in Australia - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 4:04 AM Subject: Re: CSRe:spider bite Meat Tenderizer might be good too. It is about the best thing for bee and wasp stings. It breaks down the protein toxin to harmless components immediately. Be sure it is the one that uses papayan in it. Marshall h...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Wayne, Simplest treatment for a spider bite is an onion, cut one in half, mash the cut surface and apply straight on the bite and leave it there. Works for any insect sting or bite. From my experience, and we have quite a few very venomous spiders here in Australia, it works, even for our Bull ant, his sting is very painful, takes the pain out in seconds, and seems to either neutralise the venom or draw it out. John in Australia - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt wa...@fugitt.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:47 AM Subject: CSSpider Bite Question Good Evening, I am at Day 6 after the spider bite. Day 1 until day 3, I thought it to be a fire ant. ( Day Three of treatment ) I did search the archives and read most of them. About 90 % relate to ignition systems.
Re: CSRe: Alleviation of silver toxicity by selenite
Hi Reid: I can answer that. There have been a few proponents who have widely promoted the use of silver chloride. In the case of the individual in the article, it was Mark Metcalf's book. Mark has only now stopped promoting the idea of using salt in CS production, but I'm certain that more than two people acquired argyria as a result of his methods. We do not know the concentration of the end product. It had to be pretty muddy. The individual added salt to the production process, which is how the silver chloride was being produced. Imagine producing CS with a nine-volt battery setup with salty water and letting it run ten minutes... and then drinking 32 ounces of the stuff every day. I now speak with this individual on a regular basis - he's a great guy. Obviously he's a very zealous supporter of CS use... As he was near death when he started to take CS. In his case, perhaps it was good that he drank silver chloride mud. Hard to say. He wasn't upset at all about turning blue, just happy to be alive. It's that kind of attitude that lead him to reverse his condition. He said the hardest part was drinking that much water on a daily basis. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: CSRe: Alleviation of silver toxicity by selenite jr, The article is very interesting to me, for one, especially while looking into AgCl toxicity for a ceramic water purifier (previous message). But can you tell me, why would anyone consider using AgCl? Is there a lack of awareness that CS could do much the same, without the argyria, or am I missing something? Also, there's no indication of the concentration of AgCl in solution. Do you know any more about this? And how can AgCl be produced by electrolysis? Thanks, Reid jrowland said: From Natural and Alternative Medicine (Beta Testing) Forum, a suggested cure for Argyria: This individual utilized 32 ounces of silver chloride daily for 2.5 years and cured a very late stage case of Nuerosyphilis... http://www.silvermedicine.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13 jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: Alleviation of silver toxicity by selenite
What was your friend's illness? JOH -Original Message- From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@cox.net] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Alleviation of silver toxicity by selenite Hi Reid: I can answer that. There have been a few proponents who have widely promoted the use of silver chloride. In the case of the individual in the article, it was Mark Metcalf's book. Mark has only now stopped promoting the idea of using salt in CS production, but I'm certain that more than two people acquired argyria as a result of his methods. We do not know the concentration of the end product. It had to be pretty muddy. The individual added salt to the production process, which is how the silver chloride was being produced. Imagine producing CS with a nine-volt battery setup with salty water and letting it run ten minutes... and then drinking 32 ounces of the stuff every day. I now speak with this individual on a regular basis - he's a great guy. Obviously he's a very zealous supporter of CS use... As he was near death when he started to take CS. In his case, perhaps it was good that he drank silver chloride mud. Hard to say. He wasn't upset at all about turning blue, just happy to be alive. It's that kind of attitude that lead him to reverse his condition. He said the hardest part was drinking that much water on a daily basis. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: CSRe: Alleviation of silver toxicity by selenite jr, The article is very interesting to me, for one, especially while looking into AgCl toxicity for a ceramic water purifier (previous message). But can you tell me, why would anyone consider using AgCl? Is there a lack of awareness that CS could do much the same, without the argyria, or am I missing something? Also, there's no indication of the concentration of AgCl in solution. Do you know any more about this? And how can AgCl be produced by electrolysis? Thanks, Reid jrowland said: From Natural and Alternative Medicine (Beta Testing) Forum, a suggested cure for Argyria: This individual utilized 32 ounces of silver chloride daily for 2.5 years and cured a very late stage case of Nuerosyphilis... http://www.silvermedicine.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13 jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:spider bite
Evening John, Years ago my younger brother got bitten on the butt by a Red Back spider, very similar to the US Black Widow, and for young'uns, deadly, Well on went the onion, and within and hour, almost no evidence of the bite, swelling was reduced to a small localised area, and no toxicity effects.. Fantastic! It appears that you guys are the world spider experts. So, this will work even on bites that are several days old and advanced. My bite is 8 days old. I always have a good supply of onions around. Wayne
CSRe: [personal] Re: CSSpider Bite Question
Wayne: If you have a local herbalist you should talk to him or her about using plantago (plantain) for your bite. It may not be possible to get fresh plantain for a poultice, but dried plantain should work, or an infusion made from plantain could still be beneficial. Ed - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt wa...@fugitt.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:27 AM Subject: [personal] Re: CSSpider Bite Question Thanks to everyone for the replies and suggestions for my spider bite. Based on the many treatments, I think Timing may be the important thing. And. I can do all that right because this is DAY 8. Here are two pictures. http://www.fugitt.com/files/spid1208/ You have the choice of high resolution, 3 megs or lower resolution at 1/10 that size. I expect it to be worse tomorrow. Any ideas and suggestions appreciated. Wayn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Alleviation of silver toxicity by selenite
James: Advanced Neurosyphilis Best regards, Jason - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:03 PM Subject: RE: CSRe: Alleviation of silver toxicity by selenite What was your friend's illness? JOH -Original Message- From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@cox.net] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Alleviation of silver toxicity by selenite Hi Reid: I can answer that. There have been a few proponents who have widely promoted the use of silver chloride. In the case of the individual in the article, it was Mark Metcalf's book. Mark has only now stopped promoting the idea of using salt in CS production, but I'm certain that more than two people acquired argyria as a result of his methods. We do not know the concentration of the end product. It had to be pretty muddy. The individual added salt to the production process, which is how the silver chloride was being produced. Imagine producing CS with a nine-volt battery setup with salty water and letting it run ten minutes... and then drinking 32 ounces of the stuff every day. I now speak with this individual on a regular basis - he's a great guy. Obviously he's a very zealous supporter of CS use... As he was near death when he started to take CS. In his case, perhaps it was good that he drank silver chloride mud. Hard to say. He wasn't upset at all about turning blue, just happy to be alive. It's that kind of attitude that lead him to reverse his condition. He said the hardest part was drinking that much water on a daily basis. Best Regards, Jason -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpider Bite Question
Thanks to everyone for the replies and suggestions for my spider bite. Based on the many treatments, I think Timing may be the important thing. And. I can do all that right because this is DAY 8. Here are two pictures. http://www.fugitt.com/files/spid1208/ You have the choice of high resolution, 3 megs or lower resolution at 1/10 that size. I expect it to be worse tomorrow. Any ideas and suggestions appreciated. Wayn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
