Re: CSCS MS cure

[Christine Carleton]

Maggie,

Thank you so much for the lovely cotton blankets.  I will certainly enjoy
them!
Also many thanks for the Vancouver Sun article.

You might find this interesting...
CS is Colloidal Silver -

Christine



From: nancymike nancym...@prodigy.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:51:10 -0500
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS MS  cure
Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:52:33 -0700


I have written to this list on many occaions.  You can find it in the
archives, but I will again off to send the short journal I kept while curing
myself of MS with CS. I had MS since 1962 and by Aug 2000 I could barely get
around.  Today I am 90% cured and I am better than I was 20 years ago.  I
owe my new life to CS.
Nancy

  

Re: CSCS MS cure

[Becky Burns]

I would be very interested in receiving a copy of this journal, or being given 
a link to it.   thanks
  - Original Message - 
  From: nancymike 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1:51 AM
  Subject: Re: CSCS MS cure


  I have written to this list on many occaions.  You can find it in the 
archives, but I will again off to send the short journal I kept while curing 
myself of MS with CS. I had MS since 1962 and by Aug 2000 I could barely get 
around.  Today I am 90% cured and I am better than I was 20 years ago.  I owe 
my new life to CS.
  Nancy

- Original Message - 
From: Shirley Reed 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:11 AM
Subject: CSCS MS cure


  Bob,  This is of great general interest, so can you please post the 
particulars on this list, or, if you decide on the OT list, let us know on this 
list so we will be sure not to miss it.  Congratulations on the achievement, 
both to the 'patient' and to you for your part in the cure.   pj



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CSCS product

[Medwith, Robert]

What was the name of the new CS product that was approved by the FDA
Bob

Re: CS(CS + Hydrogen Peroxide) and (CS + H20)

[Wayne Fugitt]

Morning Sol and Jean,


Whichever way it is done, is there really any proof it has an effect on size
of the silver particles?


 Asking for Proof in a world of theory is somewhat akin to asking for 
a snowball in hell.


Yes, there is proof. If you have a Hanna PWT and measure the conductance 
of the finished EIS, then add some H202, the conductance will go up.


   Based on this statement,  CONDUCTANCE and particle size are directly 
related and go hand in hand,


ie, a change in  EC indicates particle size.

We have been fighting this battle in the plant nutrient field since 
day one.  EC has no bearing on ppm of any specific nutrient.   We can 
calculate ppm of nutrients and we can measure EC, but neither can tell us 
the other.


The real world is seldom a laboratory filled with scientist and facts.



I've done this test several times and invariably the uS reading of the PWT 
goes up when H202 is added to EIS.


   I am not questioning anything you said or that your observations are 
correct.


   I am questioning the fact that Electrical Conductivity changes 
structure of any solid.  Ions and combinations of ions can do lots of 
things.Is changing mass, solids, and particles directly related to ion 
changes?



This is true even if the EIS is perfectly clear to start with. Adding 
peroxide can also turn yellow EIS clear, another indicator that particles 
are being reduced or broken into smaller particles and ions.


   I don't know enough about this to make positive statements.  I think I 
know enough to ask relevant questions.


   So, changing color is another indicator that MASS has been 
changed? Color is effected by other parameter also.   I always thought 
a substance to be every color EXCEPT the color that you see.

Some wavelengths are absorbed, and others reflected.

I think a combining or rearrangment could change color, while no mass 
changes exist.



 I'm not sure I have the terms or the mechanism correctly described, but 
it is a testable result, since it is the ions that show conductance, not 
particles.


 I am not sure I have anything right.  All my ideas may be wrong.

 I have GAPS in my knowledge for sure.  I am trying to fill some of 
the GAPS.




May I ask, how could H2O2 cause smaller particles of Colloidal Silver unless

it was in the brewing?
Surely you aren't suggesting adding a drop or two of H2O2 per ounce AFTER
the Colloidal Silver is made would cause it to break into smaller particles?


   Again, Jean, my thinking is close, if not identical to yours.   We must 
have read some of the same old books in the past.


   I guess it is time for more chemistry lessons.   My friendly physics 
professor moved away.


   I worked at a local college yesterday and will be there again 
today.   Most everyone on campus treats me like part of the staff.  I have 
been there longer than most of them.  Been doing work there since the 60's.
My access card even says STAFF on it. It gets me into any door there,  24/7 
without any time limitations.


 The problem is, .. I barely know how to ask a good question.

   Wayne



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Re: CS(CS + Hydrogen Peroxide) and (CS + H20)

[David Bearrow]

If you take just distilled water and add hydrogen peroxide the conductance 
will go up. This just proves that hydrogen peroxide is conductive. It does 
not prove that it makes silver particles smaller. I'm not saying it doesn't 
do that, just that the fact that hydrogen peroxide is conductive does not 
prove it makes PPM go up. You could also koolaid to your CS and the 
conductance would go up. This proves nothing other than that a conductive 
impurity has been added to the water.


David Bearrow

At 06:47 AM 7/14/04, you wrote:
Yes, there is proof. If you have a Hanna PWT and measure the conductance 
of the finished EIS, then add some H202, the conductance will go up.



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CSMacular degeneration

[Terry Chamberlin]

Macular Degeneration

Eye condition linked to diet
REPORTER: Anna Coren
BROADCAST DATE: July 5, 2004

 Macular degeneration is the most common cause of
blindness in Australia but new research suggests
avoiding vegetable oils could prevent the condition.

It's spreading like a disease – a blindness called
macular degeneration affecting at least 800,000
Australians and costing $1.5 billion per year in
health care.

But with the latest research pointing to vegetable
oils as the main culprit, it's possible we may be able
to fend off this disease by simply changing our diets.
You might not cook with vegetable or canola oil but
take a look at the ingredients in any sauce, dip,
bread, margarine or biscuit – any processed food for
that matter. Vegetable oil is hidden in all of them.
Most of us have been consuming these processed foods
from the time we could walk. Dr Paul Beaumont from the
macular degeneration foundation has been studying the
link.

[The research] showed that people eating vegetable
oil got the disease twice as commonly as the people
who didn't, Dr Beaumont said.

Even more convincing was a prospective study where
they looked at patients with the disease and those
eating too much vegetable oil progressed at 3.8 times
the rate of those eating a little vegetable oil.

You look at bread, they make it on margarine, you
look at currants and they've gone and sprayed
vegetable oil on them to stop them from sticking, you
go and try and get tinned fish and they've put it in
vegetable oil.
So yes, it's become ubiquitous, it's crept right into
our food chain and you hardly know you're eating it.
Gwen Oliver was diagnosed with macular degeneration
two years ago. She was astonished when Dr Beaumont
told her to steer clear of vegetable oils and to only
cook with extra virgin olive oil.

I was surprised about diet and all the products that
we've been eating in the past, Ms Oliver said. We've
always had it advertised that vegetable oil was far
better for us.

The macular sits at the back of the eye. It's made up
of many different nerve cells. The oils that you eat
become part of your eye but normally they're used and
flushed out.

When you're eating vegetable oils, researchers believe
the eye can't seem to biodegrade the oil and it ends
up blocking the cells and causing macular
degeneration.
In the 1920s and 30s they started to get big presses
that produced hundreds of tons of vegetable oil, Dr
Beaumont said. In 1957 margarine outsold butter so
we've had this massive infiltration of our food chain
by vegetable oils.
 
Dr Beaumont says he doesn't envisage vegetable oil
being removed from all foods, but says there should be
a consumer health warning.

I think we have to have a warning on the packages
similar to a warning of a cigarette package:
'vegetable oil can lead to macular degeneration', he
said.
The major reason for blindness in Australia 30 years
ago was diabetes and it was rare to find macular
degeneration.

Today the condition has overtaken diabetes five-fold
and is now the leading cause of loss of vision in
Australia. Two-thirds of those who lose their vision
are blind due to macular degeneration.

I've seen an exponential rise from the early 1970s
through to the 1990s, Dr Beaumont said. If we look
at Japan 40 years ago the disease was rare, now it's
common.

I don't think there's any doubt we have an epidemic.
Dr Paul Beaumont is horrified at the rate macular
degeneration has multiplied. He's seen a tenfold
increase in the last 30 years.

I think we could halve the number of people going
blind with macular degeneration if we could change
their diet, cut out the vegetable oil, Dr Beaumont
said.
When macular degeneration strikes, patients like Gwen
Oliver are first given laser therapy to help stem the
bleeding. They're also told to look at a chart daily
and if they see any difference in the lines on the
charts – such as a straight line looking bent – it's
back to Dr Beaumont for treatment.

But for Jillian Price, laser therapy didn't work. Her
last chance is a cutting edge treatment called
photodynamic therapy. It doesn't look like much but it
causes plenty to happen inside the body.

You inject a chemical that slowly accumulates in that
blood vessel and doesn't accumulate in normal
tissues, Dr Beaumont said. And then you shine a
light on the eye and it selectively activates that
chemical that shuts down the abnormal tissue and
[does] not damage the normal.

For Jillian Price, the disease has disabled her life
as an active woman.

Two months is very fast to lose so much sight; I've
lost a lot of my independence, Ms Price said. The
distance, everything is distorted, getting on the
buses, shopping is very hard, I cant read labels any
more.
One day I was doing crosswords and the next day I
couldn't.

A specialist told Colin Noble he'd be blind within 18
months. Luckily Colin sought a second opinion and
today he's one of the lucky 10 per cent who regain
vision after having photodynamic therapy.
Usually the 

Re: CSMacular degeneration

[enjaycee]

hi Terry
The Fats That Heal And The
Fats That Kill, Udo Erasmus ...his first book helped redirect my life 20
years ago...essential fatty acid molecular chains are broken by
processing..to prevent product rancidity..my opinion only
Norm




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Re: CSMacular degeneration

[Marshall Dudley]

What processing is there?  Is not most vegatable oil simply cold pressed and
filtered?  And if that breaks the chains, then why is cold pressed virgin
oil recommended instead?  Can you provide a link or something to support
this?

Thanks,

Marshall

enjaycee wrote:

 hi Terry
 The Fats That Heal And The
 Fats That Kill, Udo Erasmus ...his first book helped redirect my life 20
 years ago...essential fatty acid molecular chains are broken by
 processing..to prevent product rancidity..my opinion only
 Norm

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Re: CS(CS + Hydrogen Peroxide) and (CS + H20)

[Dan Nave]

The answer is stated in the terms of the question.




Re: CS(CS + Hydrogen Peroxide) and (CS + H20)

Wayne Fugitt  wrote:
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:57:10 

  The problem is, .. I barely know how to ask a good question.

Wayne




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Re: CSCS MS

[Ode Coyote]

  See 
http://msrebel.com/

At 11:12 AM 7/13/2004 -0400, you wrote:
If possible i would like this info also I have a sister in law in a wheel
chair from ms ty Jen
- Original Message - 
From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:57 AM
Subject: CSCS  MS


 bob smith said:
  I have a neighbor, about 40, who had MS for 6 years
 when I started him on EIS. At that time he was
 beginning to have serious difficulty.  This was a year
 ago in March. By June he was showing definite
 improvement and at this time his symptoms are gone. I
 don't believe he has added H2O2 to the silver. 

 Bob, could you persuade your friend to write down his
 experience using CS with his MS? How much, how often,
 how long before he experienced improvement, what
 reversals or setbacks he might have had, any
 complimentary additional therapies, supplements, etc.

 Email me directly if you'd like.

 Sincerely,

 Terry Chamberlin, B.Sc., C.N.C., Bioanalyst
 Metabolic Solutions Institute
 RR1
 Lawrencetown, Nova Scotia B0S 1M0 Canada
 902-584-3810 voice/message
 413-826-7641 fax service
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CSMacular degeneration

[Dan Nave]

I wonder if this is from all vegetable oils or if it is linked 
to partially hydrogenated oils or trans-fats?

Dan



CSMacular degeneration

Terry Chamberlin wrote: 
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:26:33 



Macular Degeneration

Eye condition linked to diet
REPORTER: Anna Coren
BROADCAST DATE: July 5, 2004

 Macular degeneration is the most common cause of
blindness in Australia but new research suggests
avoiding vegetable oils could prevent the condition.

It's spreading like a disease * a blindness called
macular degeneration affecting at least 800,000
Australians and costing $1.5 billion per year in
health care.

But with the latest research pointing to vegetable
oils as the main culprit, it's possible we may be able
to fend off this disease by simply changing our diets.
You might not cook with vegetable or canola oil but
take a look at the ingredients in any sauce, dip,
bread, margarine or biscuit * any processed food for
that matter. Vegetable oil is hidden in all of them.
Most of us have been consuming these processed foods
from the time we could walk. Dr Paul Beaumont from the
macular degeneration foundation has been studying the
link.

[The research] showed that people eating vegetable
oil got the disease twice as commonly as the people
who didn't, Dr Beaumont said.

Even more convincing was a prospective study where
they looked at patients with the disease and those
eating too much vegetable oil progressed at 3.8 times
the rate of those eating a little vegetable oil.




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Re: CSEIS

[bob smith]

MessageJason,
 Thank you for the detailed explanation.  Believe me, the time and effort 
(for no compensation) that you and the others on this list who are highly 
qualified spend in tutoring those of us who are uneducated in this area,  is 
deeply appreciated.  
While on the subject, I had understood from some dialogue a while back that 
only a silver solution that needed something like gelatin to hold it in 
suspension was a colloidal silver.  This was not supposed to be good as the 
gelatin could ferment even in combination with the silver because it kept the 
silver particles/ions from coming in contact with all of the vehicle used.  If 
I remember correctly there is a product called MSP that uses this formula.  
Should products formulated in this way be avoided?
 Bob Smith



  - Original Message - 
  From: Jason Eaton 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:20 AM
  Subject: Re: CSEIS


  Hi Bob:

  I coined the term Electrically Isolated Silver several years ago.

  There were quite a few reasons for doing so.  We received ( and still do ) 
quite a bit of correspondence from people very new to the CS world who quickly 
become very confused about the different products available under the name 
colloidal silver, ionic silver, even atomic or monoatomic silver.  We 
wanted to make an accurate distinction between silver compounds and true 
isolated silver products.

  Technically, Electrically Ionized Silver is not accurate.

Re: CSCS MS cure

[bob smith]

Nancy,
 I would like to add that my neighbor to whom I referred to is grateful for 
you publicizing your experience. Had I not seen your posts his would be a 
different story today.  Several have asked me for info on his protocol but I'm 
sure they would be better informed if they go to the archives and check your 
posts on MS.  Bob Smith

  - Original Message - 
  From: nancymike 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:51 AM
  Subject: Re: CSCS MS cure


  I have written to this list on many occaions.  You can find it in the 
archives, but I will again off to send the short journal I kept while curing 
myself of MS with CS. I had MS since 1962 and by Aug 2000 I could barely get 
around.  Today I am 90% cured and I am better than I was 20 years ago.  I owe 
my new life to CS.
  Nancy

- 

CSRe:CSCollidal Gold Studies

[William Amos]

SorryI drifted off when I was asked information on CG
I'll stick to the silver.

Bill Amos
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Re: CSEIS

[Marshall Dudley]

I would avoid MSP (mild silver protein) for several reasons.

1. They can mold and grow other microorganisms
2. The effectiveness is much lower than EIS at any concentration (I
estimate it is about 1 to 5% as effective.
3. Due to the decrease in effectiveness it will typically be made 100
times as strong, give you a silver load 100 times as great.
4. It has been implicated in argyria
5. It is very expensive

Marshall

bob smith wrote:

 Jason, Thank you for the detailed explanation.  Believe me, the
 time and effort (for no compensation) that you and the others on this
 list who are highly qualified spend in tutoring those of us who are
 uneducated in this area,  is deeply appreciated.While on the
 subject, I had understood from some dialogue a while back that only a
 silver solution that needed something like gelatin to hold it in
 suspension was a colloidal silver.  This was not supposed to be good
 as the gelatin could ferment even in combination with the silver
 because it kept the silver particles/ions from coming in contact with
 all of the vehicle used.  If I remember correctly there is a product
 called MSP that uses this formula.  Should products formulated in this
 way be avoided? Bob Smith

  - Original Message -
  From: Jason Eaton
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:20 AM
  Subject: Re: CSEIS
   Hi Bob: I coined the term Electrically Isolated Silver
  several years ago. There were quite a few reasons for doing
  so.  We received ( and still do ) quite a bit of
  correspondence from people very new to the CS world who
  quickly become very confused about the different products
  available under the name colloidal silver, ionic silver,
  even atomic or monoatomic silver.  We wanted to make an
  accurate distinction between silver compounds and true
  isolated silver products. Technically, Electrically Ionized
  Silver is not accurate.

Re: CS(CS + Hydrogen Peroxide) and (CS + H20)

[Ode Coyote]

  My personal theory is that some silver particles and ions agglomerate
around an oxygen atom making a partially oxidized particle.

The extra 'radical' oxygen atom in H2O2 wants very much to be a stable O2
molelcule and leave the rest as stable water [H2O]
 The radical scavenges the oxygen out of the agglomerated crystal and it
breaks up.

 I have nothing but observations on the action of H2O2 'clearing' large
particle colored CS, instantly dissolve color
http://silverpuppy.com/resource/color.jpg that has plated out of a deep
yellow batch onto the container over time  and it's ability to nearly
instantly dissolve silver dioxide deposits off electrodes to go on.  Plus,
using heavily ozonated water tends to make deep brown CS and using that
that same water after letting it vent it's dissolved gasses doesn't.  Ozone
is another free radical substance O3.

 I once ran a batch using H2O2 as a 'starter'  Conductivity never went over
13 uS even after many many hours.  Electrodes thinned. Silver metal flakes
like you'd see in a snow scene paperweight were everywhere.

 If you put blackened electrodes in H2O2, they get cleaned up fast, then
turn black again if left in establishing a [mistaken?] correlation between
large colored particles, electrode deposits and colored deposits on
containers.

 Open 'clear' strong batches tend to turn colors faster than sealed ones.
 The oxygen in the crystal structure [if that's what it is]  may not
contribute directly to the color yet enable a particle size growth that
does. All colors respond to H2O2.

 Someone sent a micrograph of silver particles before and after adding
H2O2. Pretty big difference.

Ode

At 10:13 PM 7/13/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Hi, 

May I ask, how could H2O2 cause smaller particles of Colloidal Silver unless
it was in the brewing?

Surely you aren't suggesting adding a drop or two of H2O2 per ounce AFTER
the Colloidal Silver is made would cause it to break into smaller particles?

Whichever way it is done, is there really any proof it has an effect on size
of the silver particles?

Thank you,

Jean Baugh



I did some research and found out that some people have found mixing a
little hydrogen peroxide into colloidal silver can make the silver particle
size smaller and more ionic.
 

##  many people on this list do that and like it. Most use off the shelf 3%
an only a couple of drops or less per oz. Use too much and the CS tastes
really nasty. 
 Don't make the CS with peroxide unless you want big silver metalflakes.
  
 


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Re: CSEIS

[Ode Coyote]

Does that wavelength correspond to any of the Rife frequencies?

Ode





Consider the fact that a UCLA researcher recorded the wavelength of silver, and reproduced this electric signature using a gas discharge tube.  When  he emitted this wavelength into a petri dish filled with bacteria, the bacteria were killed just as if the bacteria had come into contact with silver ions.
  
In our pursuit for the most biologically effective silver product, we seek isolated silver in its truest form possible with the highest possible ogliodynamic properties.
  
Best Regards,
  
Jason


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Re: CS(CS + Hydrogen Peroxide) and (CS + H20)

[Ode Coyote]

At 11:53 PM 7/13/2004 -0600, you wrote:
Yes, there is proof. If you have a Hanna PWT and measure the conductance 
of the finished EIS, then add some H202, the conductance will go up. 

 Compare that to any conductivity rise when adding H2O2 to distilled water.
Is H2O2 conductive itself?  [ I know I've done this but don't remember what
happened]
 
Ode


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Re: CSMacular degeneration

[Garnet]

Commercial oils are NOT cold pressed. You pay more for those and you
have to go beyond your average grocery store to find them. Some are
clarified with lye (olive) or hexane (flax). 

That is the reason for using Virgin Olive Oil, it requires no
clarification, just subsequent pressings. I also have it on good
authority that even Organic Flax Seed Oil has been treated with hexane,
and that manufacturer's claim is that the Hexane 'goes away' -- where
and how? This information came from a private conversation I had with
the owner of Solid Gold Dog Food who found and now carries a hexane free
Flax Seed Oil. www.solidgoldhealth.com if you want to verify this, talk
to Sissy Harrington-McGill.

Even when something carries the label USDA certified organic, there are
many ways that it could be contaminated and still comply with the
requirements of the organic label. Canned organic foods, for example,
have an estrogenic compound that is not on the label, because it is used
in such small amounts. Well hormones don't have to be in very large
amounts, particularly when our exposures to xenoestrogens (estrogen
mimicks) are so ubiquitous. Total Load is a very important concept yet
it is not applied to individual foods because it takes the sum total of
an individual's exposure, not from one product.

Let the buyer beware -- and well informed!

BTW Lutein is specific for Macular Health -- it is found in Coconut, not
sure what else.

Garnet

On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 09:41, Marshall Dudley wrote:
 What processing is there?  Is not most vegatable oil simply cold pressed and
 filtered?  And if that breaks the chains, then why is cold pressed virgin
 oil recommended instead?  Can you provide a link or something to support
 this?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Marshall
 
 enjaycee wrote:
 
  hi Terry
  The Fats That Heal And The
  Fats That Kill, Udo Erasmus ...his first book helped redirect my life 20
  years ago...essential fatty acid molecular chains are broken by
  processing..to prevent product rancidity..my opinion only
  Norm
 
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Re: CSMacular degeneration

[Heidrun Beer]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:22:43 -0400 (EDT), Terry Chamberlin wrote in
20040714142243.91726.qm...@web52905.mail.yahoo.com:

Macular Degeneration

Eye condition linked to diet



There have been articles in our newspaper discussing macular
degeneration. They didn't mention vegetable oils, but they
did mention a key nutritient whose absence in the diet 
can cause macular degeneration, and whose presence in the
diet can prevent it (they say).

The name of that stuff is Lutein (in German - I don't know
about the english word for it). It is found in the famous
DGLV - dark green leafy vegetables - which are in American 
and European meals between 0% and I don't know how little?

Being a computer programmer who totally depends on her eyes
(but then who doesn't), I am eating a big bowlful of DGLV 
for breakfast every morning. No exceptions. When I am dead,
you can ask me whether it has prevented macular degeneration :-)






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Re: CSMacular degeneration

[enjaycee]

yes Marshall
I suppose any processing procedure that  attempts to prevent rancidity would
maybe be classed as processing causing damage to  essential fatty acid
molecular chains...
Norm

and try googleing

Udo Erasmus for a  sellection of links

 What processing is there?  Is not most vegatable oil simply cold pressed
and
 filtered?  And if that breaks the chains, then why is cold pressed virgin
 oil recommended instead?  Can you provide a link or something to support
 this?

 Thanks,

 Marshall

 enjaycee wrote:

  hi Terry
  The Fats That Heal And The
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  processing..to prevent product rancidity..my opinion only
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Re: CSMacular degeneration

[Duncan Crow]

 I wonder if this is from all vegetable oils or if it is linked 
 to partially hydrogenated oils or trans-fats?
 
 Dan

Hi Dan,

We know trans-fats are bad, but this alarm on oils causing macular 
degeneration is independent of that.

The salient point is the degree with which the pure vegetable oil can 
oxidize and produce free radicals. This depends on the profile of the 
oil.

Several common food oils are listed in the downloads section of my 
Philaero-Wellness.com web site in an oils analysis worksheet and 
snapshot. The worksheet tells you the composition of each oil and the 
calculated degree of lipid peroxidation. Note the saturated oils, 
coconut oil and Palm oil are much lower than other vegetable oils.

One can also calculate their personal degree of lipid peroxidation 
caused by their daily oils intake.

regards,

Duncan Crow





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Re: CSMacular degeneration

[Jim Holmes]

Terry Chamberlin wrote:


Macular Degeneration


 


Aspartame.

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Re: CSMS cure

[mamapug]

  I have written to this list on many occaions.  You can find it in the 
archives, but I will again off to send the short journal I kept while curing 
myself of MS with CS. I had MS since 1962 and by Aug 2000 I could barely get 
around.  Today I am 90% cured and I am better than I was 20 years ago.  I owe 
my new life to CS.
  Nancy

  Dear Nancy, 
  I sure wish I could convince my sister to really try CS! She has MS, 
diabetes, and COPD. She is almost 63, and is really starting to lose it 
mentally. She goes into rages over inconsequential things, and can`t remember 
anything for more than an hour. She got mad at me for not waking her for church 
one Sunday, when I had, and she couldn`t recall it. Finally I told her to get a 
clock, as I wasn`t going to be abused for her memory failure any more.
  She drinks Crystal Light by the gallon, which is full of aspartame. I think 
the stuff is addictive. I KNOW she has deteriorated a lot since starting on the 
crap a few months ago.
  Whatever...
  She is a horror to live with. With my depression, I`ll probably end up 
killing her or me or both. Sigh.
  Marshalee

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Re: CSMacular degeneration

[C. Hatzfeld]

Lutein is supposed to be in tomatoes too.

Cindy


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Re: CS(CS + Hydrogen Peroxide) and (CS + H20)

[sol]

Ok, with your comment and David Bearrow's, I'm back to square one. Rats, 
I wasn't doing enough experiments, I guess.
I like your explanation, more questions than answersisn't that 
always the way? I thought I had an answer, because I didn't ask enough 
questions...life is easy when one only deals with one question, and 
no followups or collateral questions allowed.

sorry folks,
sol

Ode Coyote wrote:


At 11:53 PM 7/13/2004 -0600, you wrote:
 

Yes, there is proof. If you have a Hanna PWT and measure the conductance 
of the finished EIS, then add some H202, the conductance will go up. 
   



Compare that to any conductivity rise when adding H2O2 to distilled water.
Is H2O2 conductive itself?  [ I know I've done this but don't remember what
happened]

Ode


 






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Re: CSMS cure

[GoToHoll]

 
 
In a message dated 07/14/2004 11:44:52 AM Central Daylight Time,  
mama...@netzero.net writes:

She drinks Crystal Light by the gallon, which is full of aspartame. I  think 
the stuff is addictive. I KNOW she has deteriorated a lot since starting  on 
the crap a few months 


Marshalee,
Why not try making her Crystal Light with CS instead of water?
 
Laura H., TX
 

CS

[Marshall Dudley]

This is important, there is an appeal for donations, which you can  do
with as you please, but the subject matter is of utmost importance.  If
the appeal for donations bothers you, ignore it.

Marshall


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IAHF List: Please read A NAFTA/FTAA Rogues’ Gallery of EU Founders
(below my comments) and click on the photos of the Rogues Gallery of EU
Founders in order to fully understand the level of orchestration we're
up against as we strive to defend our access to dietary supplements
world wide, including in America.

The SAME PEOPLE responsible for shoving the EU Dictatorship down the
throats of the people of Europe are trying to do the SAME THING via the
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making them the same, and harmonizing them to the EU's.

Identical globalist scams are being orchestrated world wide, and its
high time everyone woke up to fight this evil in unison, using the
vitamin issue as a catalyst to awaken everyone.

Grasp that this is a EUGENICS agenda we're up against. Dovetail the
information below with Chapter 3 from the Unauthorized Biography of
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generate to this list are not in html format.)

Fully grasp as you read this that as goes the EU, so goes the WORLD.
This article documents that via the FTAA, a carbon copy of the EU
Dictatorship is planned for our hemisphereWe MUST use this vitamin
issue to wake people up to the much LARGER issue of freedom on a WHOLE
in order to STOP the FTAA. As goes the EU, so goes the WORLD:

Please make a donation to the Alliance for Natural Health's lawsuit to
overturn the EU Food Supplement Directive at
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http://www.stoptheftaa.org/eurogues/index.html

A NAFTA/FTAA
Rogues’ Gallery of EU Founders
 
by William F. Jasper
 

Click on photos below for additional segments of this article.


The emerging European superstate, now moving forward under the EU, is
the result of a deliberate scheme put into motion many years ago by
powerful planners and plotters.

Few Americans realize how closely linked are the onrushing developments
transforming Europe into a regional superstate and the campaign underway
here to create a similar hemispheric entity for the Western Hemisphere.
Europeans have only recently begun awakening to the fact that the
decades-old politico-economic convergence process behind the European
Union (EU) seriously threatens their freedom. Belatedly, they have
started to react.

The European project is a euphemism for the plan to gradually enlarge
the EU until it includes all European nations (including Russia and
Turkey) while increasing EU jurisdiction over more and more areas now
reserved to the nation-states. On the immediate horizon is the merger
artists’ proposed European Constitution, completed on June 18, and
designed to lock Europe into the EU trap. If carried to completion, as
envisioned by the EU founders, this project would utterly destroy the
national sovereignty and independence of its member states. It would
destroy all representative government in Europe and concentrate absolute
legislative, executive and judicial power in the hands of an
administrative elite.

Obviously, it would have been far better for the peoples of Europe never
to have ventured into the trap in the first place. And therein lies the
lesson for Americans. Very few Europeans saw or understood the warning
signs and cleverly disguised snares during the period of the 1940s
through the ’80s, as myriad Lilliputian threads were being transformed
into steel cables. It has only been in the past decade or so that the
enormity and severity of the trap have begun to be apparent. We will
have no excuse if we follow the same path.

Yet, that is what we are doing, via NAFTA and the proposed CAFTA
(Central American Free Trade Agreement) and FTAA (Free Trade Area of the
Americas). The same world-government-promoting organizations that were
propelling the European project — the U.S. Council on Foreign
Relations (CFR), the British Royal Institute of International Affairs
(RIIA) and the international Bilderberg Group (BG) — are the major
forces working behind the scenes to merge North and South America into a
centralized regional government patterned after the EU. In fact, our
previous article A NAFTA/FTAA Rogues’ 

Re: CSMS cure

[Sara Mandal-Joy]

Its not going to do her much good if she's still getting all that aspartame...  
Joy
  Marshalee,
  Why not try making her Crystal Light with CS instead of water?

  Laura H., TX




   

CSRe: silver-digest: Lymphoma

[Helen Woodward]

Hi Group,
Have just been diagnosed with B-Cell known as Follicular Lymphoma. A one 
inch in diameter tumor was removed from just below my chin. Wish CS would 
help. No other symptoms. Anyone have any ideas except Chemo?

Thanks, Mary H.

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Re: CSRe: silver-digest: Lymphoma

[Nathan Filyk]

A rife machine or equivalent may be helpful for you. Also, read the book "The Cure For All Diseases." Rife therapy is very powerful, and can probably cure any type of cancer. As for using CS, you could try spraying it on the area several times daily, and drink massive amounts (I suggest in the liters or even a gallon/day). I know somebody who cured her MS this way. As well, looking into Vitamin C megadosing. (http://www.thecureforheartdisease.com/owen/CancerCure.htm) If things get really bad, you can look into getting Vitamin C (buffered by saline) on an IV, administered by any doctor who's willing to try. Vitamin C in large enough doses can help about anything. (60 references to that here: http://www.doctoryourself.com/biblio_cameron.html) Esterified Vitamin C is 4x more powerful. (Try this: http://www.quantumhealth.com/productgroups/vit_c500.htmlor just do a google search)I personally take anywhere from 2-30 grams of Vitamin C a day, which is way beyond the RDA (which is in mg). (http://www.moondragon.org/health/nutritionbasics/vitamins/vitaminc.html)Taking fish oil/cod liver oil(http://www.mercola.com/forms/carlsons.htm) andVitamin E will help those suffering with lymph cancer.
MSM can also help reverse cancer. Basically, all cancer is, is your ability to improperly process protein cells. I read an interesting article (http://www.whale.to/cancer/k/lecture.html)on this last night, youreally shouldread it. It prescribes a few easy changes you can make to help yourself. (More info at: http://www.whale.to/cancer/k/lecture.html) You can get more sunlight, more sleep, cut out sugar (http://www.whale.to/v/sugar.html) andother harmful things from your diet. Check out http://www.doctoryourself.com/gersonspeech.html, http://www.doctoryourself.com/gersontherapy.html, and the sidebar (for cancer articles) at http://www.doctoryourself.com/index.htmlJunk food can kill you. (http://www.whale.to/b/junk.html)
Considering getting yourself a TENS unit (http://www.healiohealth.com/tek9.asp?pg=productsgrp=32). You could try a healing clay (http://www.eytonsearth.org/) Try doing a few cleanses. (search forthe book "Cleansing or Surgery" in google)
I think the ultimate cure might be this: http://educate-yourself.org/fc/fcbbeck1.shtml(Total cancer remission through blood electrification combined with magnetic pulsing and colloidal silver)
BTW, did you get any vaccines recently (past few years)? I heard that the polio vaccine leads to lymphoma. All these treatments are searchable by google, or you can email me directly to ask for specific links.- Original Message - From: Helen Woodward Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:59:19 -0500 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: silver-digest: Lymphoma  Hi Group,  Have just been diagnosed with B-Cell known as Follicular Lymphoma. A one  inch in diameter tumor was removed from just below my chin. Wish CS would  help. No other symptoms. Anyone have any ideas except Chemo?  Thanks, Mary H.---  Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.  Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).  Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release Date: 7/2/2004 


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CSRe: Cancer

[Nathan Filyk]

One more thing about cancer, you can get a tone generator and try this:
http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=follicular+lymphoma+colloidal+silverhl=enlr=ie=UTF-8selm=49d50194.0203081452.fe2189a%40posting.google.comrnum=3
It's a list of ailments and the frequencies which help improve the illness. Recommended to listen for 1/2 hour sessions each day for the particular ailment (lymphoma cancer in your case)
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CSveg oils

[Terry Chamberlin]

 Is not most vegatable oil simply cold pressed and
filtered? 

All commercial veg oils are high-temperature cooked
under pressure (to prevent a burnt taste) up to 500
degrees. This distinctly delays ensuing spoilage and
rancidity by changing the oil composition to something
resembling a liquid plastic. It doesn't spoil because
no self-respecting bacteria/organism will eat it.

The term, cold-pressed, is now allowed even when the
cold-pressed oil is mixed with heated, processed oils.
It has even been estimated that 30-40% of the
cold-pressed olive oil sold in North America has
been mixed (on the sly) with cotton seed or rape-seed
(canola) oil. 

The article discussing a link between veg oils and
macular degeneration would certainly have been about
commercial veg oils.

But, Dr. Weston Price found that the healthiest
primitive societies on the planet were the ones that
ate the MOST saturated fats. What do primitive Inuit
eskimo indians eat all winter (the ones who have no
contact with the white man)? Whale and seal blubber.
Pure cholesterol. Do they struggle with heart disease?
Never. 150 years ago, most of the folks in N. America
lived on farms. What did they eat every day? Eggs.
Cheese. Butter. Red meat. 150 years ago, heart disease
was almost unheard of. So, how did a high-cholesterol
diet go from being very healthy to dangerous? It
didn't. It still isn't. Yes, today's eggs and meats
are themselves dangerous because of modern growing,
feeding and processing methods, but not because of
cholesterol.

Don't get me started!

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CSH202

[John Rigby]

Hi folks,
On the international scene one needs to be careful about descriptions, e.g. 
in Australia, food grade H202 simply means it can be used in the food 
processing industry e.g. as a cleaning agent in processing equipment.  ( I 
THINK same in USA)

Here are some common values of the product:

Hydrogen Peroxide is created in the atmosphere when ultraviolet light 
strikes oxygen in the presence of moisture. Ozone (03) is free oxygen (02) 
plus an extra atom of oxygen. When it comes into contact with water, this 
extra atom of oxygen splits off very easily. Water (H20) combines with the 
extra atom of oxygen and becomes hydrogen peroxide ( H2O2).


Hydrogen Peroxide can also me made by the following methods:
   * Chemically - treat Barium Peroxide with Sulfuric Acid. Barium Sulfate 
settles to the bottom and Hydrogen Peroxide is drained off. (To 
concentrate, it is vacuum distilled.)

   * Treat water with ultraviolet light.
   * Electricity - silent, or open spark methods.
   * Bubble Ozone (03) through cold water.

Hydrogen Peroxides are available in several grades:
   * 3% Hydrogen Peroxide (Drug/Grocery Store Variety)
   * 6% Hydrogen Peroxide (Used by Beauticians for Coloring Hair)
   * 30% Re-Agent Hydrogen 
Peroxide  *  usually called AR grade in Euro

   * 30-32% Electronic Grade Hydrogen Peroxide
   * 35% Technical Grade Hydrogen Peroxide
   * 35% Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide (Also 50% Food Grade H2O2)
   * 90% Hydrogen Peroxide
   * 99.6% Hydrogen Peroxide
 The Analytical Reagent Grade is the purest - by Euro standards.

PERSONAL NOTE:   I only use . Silver in making CS.  I only let the BEST 
of anything get near my insides after my own experiences with dual 
Cancer.  Costs a lot more, but then, I only eat Biodynamic or Certified 
Organic foods - also costs a lot more, but the idea is to live long and 
prosper.  Same with H202, I only use the best, same with DMSO  only AR grade.


Certainly we are only using minuscule quantities and most people are pretty 
cavalier about sources on these grounds, but I've watched Homeopathy work 
and aside from the fact that we now understand that the key is H20, because 
it has a beyond physics memory, I limit my risktaking everywhere I can.


Mind you, I've not had a cold in 15 years, or flu or anything else that 
everybody else gets.   My only illnesses these days are caused by 
external accidents  when I am tricked into eating something that is not 
safe.


Of course I'm rated as paranoid. But I only have one body in this cycle and 
I like to keep it free from pain.  Cancer tends to make one an expert on 
pain and if you learn how to beat it, you don't ever want to go back 
there..


Other funny ideas from the world of  Why Cancer etc., are here: 
http://fablor.com/matrixide


Live long  prosper people!

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RE: CSRe: Cancer

[Terry]

Nathan:
 
One thing I couldn't tell from the site...do you listen to multiple tones
simultaneously or one tone at a time?
 
Thanks,
Terry

-Original Message-
From: Nathan Filyk [mailto:nat...@asia.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 6:07 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSRe: Cancer



One more thing about cancer, you can get a tone generator and try this:

HYPERLINK
http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=follicular+lymphoma+colloidal+silverhl=en
lr=ie=UTF-8selm=49d50194.0203081452.fe2189a%40posting.google.comrnum=3h
ttp://groups.google.ca/groups?q=follicular+lymphoma+colloidal+silverhl=enl
r=ie=UTF-8selm=49d50194.0203081452.fe2189a%40posting.google.comrnum=3

It's a list of ailments and the frequencies which help improve the illness.
Recommended to listen for 1/2 hour sessions each day for the particular
ailment (lymphoma cancer in your case)

~Nathan Filyk


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CSFurther question re H202 in CS--what is it doing?

[sol]

Ok, I finally thought back to my experiments with adding H202 to 
finished EIS, and I do have another question.
If the H202 is doing nothing but adding its own conductance, why does 
the conductance keep going up? As in, if one adds a teensy bit of salt 
or baking soda to finished EIS or distilled water, the conductance 
changes, but that is it, it changes and stays there. Adding H202 to EIS, 
the conductance goes up, and up, and up, eventually it stabilizes, but 
I'm back to thinking the H202 does something more than simply adding its 
own conductance?
Ok, I should try the experiment with H202 and plain DW to see if the 
same up, up, up happens. Tomorrow..

sol



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Re: CSMS cure

[mamapug]

  She makes it herself...
  Marshalee
She drinks Crystal Light by the gallon, which is full of aspartame. I think 
the stuff is addictive. I KNOW she has deteriorated a lot since starting on the 
crap a few months 
  Marshalee,
  Why not try making her Crystal Light with CS instead of water?

  Laura H., TX




   

Re: CSveg oils

[mamapug]

Dear Terry,
I read somewhere that sucrose, (table sugar, which is definitely not a
natural food, for sure,) is the cause of high cholesterol, not eggs or meat.
When sucrose is digested, it breaks down to glucose and fructose. The
fructose is then broken down to more glucose and, taaa daa, Cholesterol!!!
Makes sense, that sugar is what is killing us.
I`m addicted to the stuff...
Marshalee

  Is not most vegatable oil simply cold pressed and
 filtered? 

 All commercial veg oils are high-temperature cooked
 under pressure (to prevent a burnt taste) up to 500
 degrees. This distinctly delays ensuing spoilage and
 rancidity by changing the oil composition to something
 resembling a liquid plastic. It doesn't spoil because
 no self-respecting bacteria/organism will eat it.

 The term, cold-pressed, is now allowed even when the
 cold-pressed oil is mixed with heated, processed oils.
 It has even been estimated that 30-40% of the
 cold-pressed olive oil sold in North America has
 been mixed (on the sly) with cotton seed or rape-seed
 (canola) oil.

 The article discussing a link between veg oils and
 macular degeneration would certainly have been about
 commercial veg oils.

 But, Dr. Weston Price found that the healthiest
 primitive societies on the planet were the ones that
 ate the MOST saturated fats. What do primitive Inuit
 eskimo indians eat all winter (the ones who have no
 contact with the white man)? Whale and seal blubber.
 Pure cholesterol. Do they struggle with heart disease?
 Never. 150 years ago, most of the folks in N. America
 lived on farms. What did they eat every day? Eggs.
 Cheese. Butter. Red meat. 150 years ago, heart disease
 was almost unheard of. So, how did a high-cholesterol
 diet go from being very healthy to dangerous? It
 didn't. It still isn't. Yes, today's eggs and meats
 are themselves dangerous because of modern growing,
 feeding and processing methods, but not because of
 cholesterol.

 Don't get me started!

 Terry Chamberlin




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Re: CSFurther question re H202 in CS--what is it doing?

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Sol:

There is more than one type of reaction that can occur when H2O2 contacts
silver.

The reaction depends upon the type and quality of isolated silver product
being used. I'm not exactly certain what the nuts and bolts of the
reactions are, but I suspect it has do to with the potential creation of
silver oxide in a solution/colloid.  With a high quality and primarily ionic
silver, where the actual particles are extremely small and well dispersed,
the silver particles are ionized.

Where the EIS is primarily ionic, and the particulate content is decent
without any sparklies or large agglomerates, the silver agglomerates ie
particles are reduced.

In other products, at least some of the silver agglomerates and falls out of
suspension.

The fact that H2O2 can reduce silver particles was demonstrated by taking a
microscopic photograph of EIS before the addition of a minute amount of 35%
H2O2, and comparing the results with the effect of the H2O2.  The work was
done by a water treatment facility, as a favor to an individual on another
CS list.

However, the idea that particulate silver is atomized by the addition of
H2O2 is greatly denied by an entire industry that uses hydrogen peroxide to
reclaim silver from waste products.

My only explanation for the conflicting information is speculation:  The
zeta potential of the silver solution/colloid may be responsible for
preventing the reaction that would normally cause all of the silver to be
removed.  Again, that's only speculation.

In any event, the addition of minute amounts of H2O2 to colloidal silver
does, at least in some cases, improve the effectiveness of colloidal silver.
This is ESPECIALLY true with mouth infections and throat infections.

It is likely that the H2O2 acts to improve effectiveness of silver in at
least one way when used locally:  The reaction itself between the H2O2 and
the silver increases the kenetic delivery of the silver particles/ions.

Best Regards,

Jason


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From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 8:56 PM
Subject: CSFurther question re H202 in CS--what is it doing?


 Ok, I finally thought back to my experiments with adding H202 to
 finished EIS, and I do have another question.
 If the H202 is doing nothing but adding its own conductance, why does
 the conductance keep going up? As in, if one adds a teensy bit of salt
 or baking soda to finished EIS or distilled water, the conductance
 changes, but that is it, it changes and stays there. Adding H202 to EIS,
 the conductance goes up, and up, and up, eventually it stabilizes, but
 I'm back to thinking the H202 does something more than simply adding its
 own conductance?
 Ok, I should try the experiment with H202 and plain DW to see if the
 same up, up, up happens. Tomorrow..
 sol



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Re: CSCS MS cure

[nancymike]

Becky, send me your email and I will forward the info to you. 
nancym...@prodigy.net  Nancy
  - Original Message - 
  From: Becky Burns 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:43 AM
  Subject: Re: CSCS MS cure


  I would be very interested in receiving a copy of this journal, or being 
given a link to it.   thanks
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From: nancymike 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: CSCS MS cure


I have written to this list on many occaions.  You can find it in the 
archives, but I will again off to send the short journal I kept while curing 
myself of MS with CS. I had MS since 1962 and by Aug 2000 I could barely get 
around.  Today I am 90% cured and I am better than I was 20 years ago.  I owe 
my new life to CS.
Nancy

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  From: Shirley Reed 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:11 AM
  Subject: CSCS MS cure


Bob,  This is of great general interest, so can you please post the 
particulars on this list, or, if you decide on the OT list, let us know on this 
list so we will be sure not to miss it.  Congratulations on the achievement, 
both to the 'patient' and to you for your part in the cure.   pj


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Re: CSMacular degeneration

[twllLL]

Could it be the hydrogenated oils thats doing the damage ?
- Original Message - 
From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:22 AM
Subject: CSMacular degeneration


Macular Degeneration

Eye condition linked to diet
REPORTER: Anna Coren
BROADCAST DATE: July 5, 2004

 Macular degeneration is the most common cause of
blindness in Australia but new research suggests
avoiding vegetable oils could prevent the condition.

It's spreading like a disease - a blindness called
macular degeneration affecting at least 800,000
Australians and costing $1.5 billion per year in
health care.

But with the latest research pointing to vegetable
oils as the main culprit, it's possible we may be able
to fend off this disease by simply changing our diets.
You might not cook with vegetable or canola oil but
take a look at the ingredients in any sauce, dip,
bread, margarine or biscuit - any processed food for
that matter. Vegetable oil is hidden in all of them.
Most of us have been consuming these processed foods
from the time we could walk. Dr Paul Beaumont from the
macular degeneration foundation has been studying the
link.

[The research] showed that people eating vegetable
oil got the disease twice as commonly as the people
who didn't, Dr Beaumont said.

Even more convincing was a prospective study where
they looked at patients with the disease and those
eating too much vegetable oil progressed at 3.8 times
the rate of those eating a little vegetable oil.

You look at bread, they make it on margarine, you
look at currants and they've gone and sprayed
vegetable oil on them to stop them from sticking, you
go and try and get tinned fish and they've put it in
vegetable oil.
So yes, it's become ubiquitous, it's crept right into
our food chain and you hardly know you're eating it.
Gwen Oliver was diagnosed with macular degeneration
two years ago. She was astonished when Dr Beaumont
told her to steer clear of vegetable oils and to only
cook with extra virgin olive oil.

I was surprised about diet and all the products that
we've been eating in the past, Ms Oliver said. We've
always had it advertised that vegetable oil was far
better for us.

The macular sits at the back of the eye. It's made up
of many different nerve cells. The oils that you eat
become part of your eye but normally they're used and
flushed out.

When you're eating vegetable oils, researchers believe
the eye can't seem to biodegrade the oil and it ends
up blocking the cells and causing macular
degeneration.
In the 1920s and 30s they started to get big presses
that produced hundreds of tons of vegetable oil, Dr
Beaumont said. In 1957 margarine outsold butter so
we've had this massive infiltration of our food chain
by vegetable oils.
 
Dr Beaumont says he doesn't envisage vegetable oil
being removed from all foods, but says there should be
a consumer health warning.

I think we have to have a warning on the packages
similar to a warning of a cigarette package:
'vegetable oil can lead to macular degeneration', he
said.
The major reason for blindness in Australia 30 years
ago was diabetes and it was rare to find macular
degeneration.

Today the condition has overtaken diabetes five-fold
and is now the leading cause of loss of vision in
Australia. Two-thirds of those who lose their vision
are blind due to macular degeneration.

I've seen an exponential rise from the early 1970s
through to the 1990s, Dr Beaumont said. If we look
at Japan 40 years ago the disease was rare, now it's
common.

I don't think there's any doubt we have an epidemic.
Dr Paul Beaumont is horrified at the rate macular
degeneration has multiplied. He's seen a tenfold
increase in the last 30 years.

I think we could halve the number of people going
blind with macular degeneration if we could change
their diet, cut out the vegetable oil, Dr Beaumont
said.
When macular degeneration strikes, patients like Gwen
Oliver are first given laser therapy to help stem the
bleeding. They're also told to look at a chart daily
and if they see any difference in the lines on the
charts - such as a straight line looking bent - it's
back to Dr Beaumont for treatment.

But for Jillian Price, laser therapy didn't work. Her
last chance is a cutting edge treatment called
photodynamic therapy. It doesn't look like much but it
causes plenty to happen inside the body.

You inject a chemical that slowly accumulates in that
blood vessel and doesn't accumulate in normal
tissues, Dr Beaumont said. And then you shine a
light on the eye and it selectively activates that
chemical that shuts down the abnormal tissue and
[does] not damage the normal.

For Jillian Price, the disease has disabled her life
as an active woman.

Two months is very fast to lose so much sight; I've
lost a lot of my independence, Ms Price said. The
distance, everything is distorted, getting on the
buses, shopping is very hard, I cant read labels any
more.
One day I was doing crosswords and the next