CSAdvice Needed
It may be helpful to know one possible way to bridge between teaspoon-scale doses and cup-scale doses. There are 48 teaspoons in 1 cup (liquiid, US.) If the first dose is 1 teaspoon, and following 5 doses are doubled, and the 6th dose is triple the 5th, then the regimen is: 1) 1 teaspoon. 2) 2 teaspoons 3) 4 teaspoons 4) 8 teaspoons 5) 16 teaspoons 6) 48 teaspoons = 1 cup. Best regards, Matthew
Re: CSwater distiller brand, was Re: CS
- Original Message - From: George in...@dragonbyte.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 11:08 PM Subject: Re: CSwater distiller brand, was Re: CS I've had a $90 Sears Kenmore distiller since '95 or so and am still using it. I replaced the 'start' button 2 years ago and have had no other problems. Water quality is typically 2 uS for one pass and by running through the distiller a second time has measured as low as .5 uS (measured with Hanna PWT). The only downside is the batch size is 'only' 3.5 quarts. George George, I'm looking for a distiller that is lined with only stainless steel and not aluminum, and which runs the water through filters twice -- once before the water is boiled, and then after it's boiled. The Love distiller does this, but I had a horrible experience with the seller, who was rude and lied to me -- and then UPS broke it in transit. So I sent it back and now I'm looking for a good distiller. If the Sears Kenmore meets my criteria, I won't have to look any further. Thanks for your help. Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAdvice Needed - Request to the silver list re doseage
I wish the dosage discussion/recommendations could be gathered in one spot. along with a short commentary on Herxheimer's for newbies and oldbies alike Like this useful tip from Mathew (below) Also -- I wish that the subject-line could be changed or amended to show the present direction of a topic. It got a little frustrating when the Codex subject became a Canadian/American beer dissertation -- especially since I am a (past) Master at imbibing only the best Scotch. Judy Down Maine It may be helpful to know one possible way to bridge between teaspoon-scale doses and cup-scale doses. There are 48 teaspoons in 1 cup (liquiid, US.) If the first dose is 1 teaspoon, and following 5 doses are doubled, and the 6th dose is triple the 5th, then the regimen is: 1) 1 teaspoon. 2) 2 teaspoons 3) 4 teaspoons 4) 8 teaspoons 5) 16 teaspoons 6) 48 teaspoons = 1 cup. Best regards, Matthew
RE: CSAdvice Needed - Request to the silver list re doseage
Ah yes, life can be frustrating at times.. :-) Sometimes as humans, we need to take a break from all this seriousness ( Canadian/American humor ). Which may just involve a passing comment(s); Life isn't meant to be taken too seriously. However, Mike D. Devour would be the one in charge of making any changes, I think. One never knows. (Grin) E. -Original Message- From: Judydownmaine [mailto:apea...@adelphia.net] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:27 AM To: Silver-List Subject: RE: CSAdvice Needed - Request to the silver list re doseage I wish the dosage discussion/recommendations could be gathered in one spot. along with a short commentary on Herxheimer's for newbies and oldbies alike Like this useful tip from Mathew (below) Also -- I wish that the subject-line could be changed or amended to show the present direction of a topic. It got a little frustrating when the Codex subject became a Canadian/American beer dissertation -- especially since I am a (past) Master at imbibing only the best Scotch. Judy Down Maine It may be helpful to know one possible way to bridge between teaspoon-scale doses and cup-scale doses. There are 48 teaspoons in 1 cup (liquiid, US.) If the first dose is 1 teaspoon, and following 5 doses are doubled, and the 6th dose is triple the 5th, then the regimen is: 1) 1 teaspoon. 2) 2 teaspoons 3) 4 teaspoons 4) 8 teaspoons 5) 16 teaspoons 6) 48 teaspoons = 1 cup. Best regards, Matthew
Re: CSAdvice Needed
If you mix the CS with water, make sure you use the distilled water... Dan Re: CSAdvice Needed From: Lea Ann (view other messages by this author) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:01:13 snip -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDoseage Introspection. Was Advice Needed.
The suggestion I made for bridging between the teaspoon -scale and the cup-scale is what I would use for myself if I were just starting out. It is intended to enhance my self-awareness of my body's response (including herx) to EIS. Numerous biological input-output relationships would plot linearly on semilogarithmic graphical coordinates. One example is stimulus-perception such as the apparent brightness of the stars (stellar magnitude), apparent brightness of the Tyndall Effect in EIS, and the decibel quasi-unit used in physiological acoustics. Many pharmacological dose-response relations also follow this pattern. Of course, I am only speaking for myself regarding a hypothetical, experimental self-treatment. Best regards, Matthew
Re: CSAdvice Needed
Lea Ann wrote: Hello, My 2 year old son was fine this AM but took a 3 hour nap (much longer than usual) and woke up with a temperature of 104 Celsius. That is impossible, that is over the boiling point of water. Do you mean 104 F? He was inconsolable and complained that his eyes, ears, neck, and legs hurt. Basically, for a 2 year old I think he is describing over-all body aches. I have a call in to his doctor but he has not called back yet. Luckily, my SG6 came in the mail yesterday and I brewed my first quart batch today (and it is crystal clear!) Although I don't know what the PPMs are, I set the SG6 for the highest PPMs and only covered about 9/10ths of the silver electrodes (to get a higher PPM). That setting will typically get you between 20 and 24 ppm from my experience with the unit. Here is my question: If you had a kid like this or knew of a kid like this, and you had the batch of CS that I have described (sorry it's not a better description) how much of this batch would you give? I KNOW that no one can dispense medical advice and that we are only talking about experimenting. I would give straight 5 ppm (that is more of the minimum setting than the max) CS however much he would drink personally. As long as the problem is new. You of course cannot do this for something that has been around a long time like lyme, or HIV, and for extremely serious problems like septic or blood poisoning due to the extreme herx, but for something like the flu the herx should not be too bad. As you say, I am only saying what I would do, not giving advice. If you want to contact me privately that is fine. So far I've mixed the CS 50/50 with water and put it in his water bottle. Would you give it straight? Would you dilute it more? Be sure to dilute with distilled water, tap water can react with the ionic portion and reduce it's effectiveness. Marshall Thanks in advance for any and all replies. Best Regards, Lea Ann Savage Satellite Beach, FL 321-773-7088
Re: CSAdvice Needed
Lea Ann wrote: Hi Mike, Thanks for your quick reply! WHERE on EARTH did I come up with Celcius? (shaking head and chuckling at my silly self) Luke is my 3rd son and I never panic at fevers I rarely use tylenol or motrin because I believe: 1) the fever is there for a purpose - to kill the infection, and 2) if the fever comes down, how do you know if the kid is getting better or if it is just the medicine/bandaide. I agree totally, I never give an analgesic to reduce fever for that reason, unless the fever is getting so high as to be a danger itself. For a child I would do anything I could to prevent the fever from exceeding 104, and for an adult 103. However, I usually give motrin or tylenol at around the 104/105 range (unless of course fever is the only symptom and then I just watch it but at 105 I usually do something to bring the fever down. I go for 104, but I agree with this. This time, I dosed with Motrin because he was complaining so much about body aches. It did the trick and his fever rapidly came down to 99. He drank the 50/50 of water and probably 20ppm CS over the course of the past 5 hours. I just measured the water bottle and I think there was probably 4 oz. of the CS and 4 oz. of water in that bottle so I guess I really blew it where being conservative is concerned. As long as herx is not a problem, there is no reason to be conservative. The more you give, the quicker the expected recovery. I have given quarts of CS to my children (who are grown though) when they have come down with the flu or food poisoning. Luke has not had CS before now. However, his fever - 5 hours after the motrin - is still down and he is sleeping peacfully (finally). He threw up a small amount which I don't know if I should attribute to Herx or to the bug. Regardless, as soon as he threw up he finally went to sleep. Most likely the bug. I gotta get to sleep but will keep everyone posted on how it goes. Looks like you have things under control. Marshall Thanks for the help! Best Regards, Lea Ann Savage Satellite Beach, FL 321-773-7088 - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 4:10 PM Subject: Re: CSAdvice Needed Hi Lea Ann, First of all, stop and take a deep breath! ... There! Now... My 2 year old son ... woke up with a temperature of 104 Celsius. That would be Farenheit! cough
Re: CSAdvice Needed
scl...@netzero.net wrote: Let him drink some and then wait a few hours. If he doesn't have a herxhiemer ( gets worse with nausea/headache) then you can give him more. Keep a close eye on him to see when he starts to feel better. I predict a day and a half to two days if you can give him regular doses of cs. This has been my observation with most of the folks who have taken cs I made then with the SG6. I usually recommend sipping every 15min-1/2hour to make sure the cs gets into the system. Hope that helps. Is the time frame right on this? I have always assumed that a herx would show up much faster than a few hours, something more on the order of a few minutes to maybe 10 or 15 minutes. Anyone have experience with herx that can give some insight on this. I always recommend an interval of about 30 minutes, not a few hours. If that is too fast I need to know. Thanks, Marshall Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAdvice Needed
Hi Himagain, You scored 10 on a 1 to 10 scale with your wonderful questions and insightful, helpful advice to the lady with the fevered son. Thank you and I'm sure she will also be impressed! Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: himagain [mailto:himag...@fablor.com] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 10:24 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAdvice Needed At 08:17 AM 10/12/04, you wrote: Hello, My 2 year old son was fine this AM but took a 3 hour nap (much longer than usual) and woke up with a temperature of 104 Celsius. He was inconsolable and complained that his eyes, ears, neck, and legs hurt. Basically, for a 2 year old I think he is describing over-all body aches. Here is my question: If you had a kid like this or knew of a kid like this, and you had the batch of CS that I have described (sorry it's not a better description) how much of this batch would you give? I KNOW that no one can dispense medical advice and that we are only talking about experimenting. The very first thing I would do is look at what the child ate/drank in the last 24 hours, but particularly last 8. Anything new or unusual added? Was he vaccinated in recent times? If so does he seem less steady on his feet two weeks or more after the event? The description although very vague sounds more like toxemia ( poisoning from something he took in ) rather than infection. Higher than normal temperatures are common in children as the body is still learning to cope with the environment in which they have to live and if not breastfed the task is immeasurably more difficult. Make sure that no form of sugar gets into the child ( really ever, but) as an urgent recovery aid. As for the CS, treat it like water - it has no deleterious effects known and just allow the child to drink as much as he wants. It will certainly be a lot safer than anything out of a tap or bottle! :-) Don't worry. HA! Easy to say. The truth is most kids survive despite all the help they get BUT:If you must have connection with the Medical Industry try and find an O.D. not an M.D. and go visit here right now to see why. http://www.mercola.com/forms/background.htm then here and keep on it for your health's sake. This guy MUST be on the PATRIOT 3 Hit List. http://www.mercola.com/blog Best wishes, Him -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwater distiller brand, was Re: CS
If you are distilling your own water for making CS you do not want to use the charcoal post-filter. I know this is applicable to the Love unit, and probably would apply to any other type of still. The post-filter adds too much stuff to the DW making it not pure enough to make CS with. The post-filter probably improves the taste of the DW for drinking though, and my understanding is that is the sole purpose of it. I guess I was lucky with my Love distiller. But mine sure does not have any pre-filter. Which model did you try? The only pre-filtering here is what I do to the water at the faucet before I fill the still. sol Nenah Sylver wrote: I'm looking for a distiller that is lined with only stainless steel and not aluminum, and which runs the water through filters twice -- once before the water is boiled, and then after it's boiled. The Love distiller does this, but I had a horrible experience with the seller, who was rude and lied to me -- and then UPS broke it in transit. So I sent it back and now I'm looking for a good distiller. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHerx and dosing recommendations, was Re: CSAdvice Needed
This is sort of why I believe dosing recommendations vary so much. It is just too individual. I have ingested orally from an ounce or two to a quart of CS never gradually building up to the quart from the previous day's ounce. I have never experienced a herx reaction, not minutes nor hours after drinking the CS. Whether I chugged down a pint or more at once or drank a quart over a whole day. Never had even a hint of herx. And y et I must be full of pathogens, parasites, mycoplasmas or whatever the heck, as I have an incredible number of problems. My experience is that for most things I am trying to accomplish with oral CS, sipping it a little at a time over the day works more effectively than chugging a lot all at once and then waiting hours for the next dose. The exception is for stomach upsets/diarrhea, in which case drinking a glassful at once works much better than small doses over hours. For preventing colds and flu, misting eyes and hands several times a day and doing so religiously after being in any public place is the only thing that worksfor me. As Ode repeatedly has said here, the only dosing that makes any sense is to dose for effect. And that is so highly variable and individual that meaningful guidelines just can't be made. The same goes for ppm, imho. Some people here report much better results with very small quantities of 20 ppm, while others get the same results from larger quantities of 5 ppm. I have personally experienced both of those at different times for different condtitions I was trying to treat. I believe there are no meaningful rules except these: ---use only truly pure CS that is only pure distilled water and .999 or . silver ---start slowly while you watch to see how CS affects YOU (or your child, your pet) ---experiment to see what ppm and dosing works best for YOU (or your child, your pet) for the condition, problem, infection, or disease you are trying to treat After those, one can experiment with DMSO, peroxide, gatorade or whatever, high and low ppms, but for me those are the basic and only rules that make any kind of sense, given individual disease conditions, size, metabolism, and all the other possible variables. I don't know why people insist on black/white, 1 teaspoon, 3 times a day, or 2 quarts a day, or other such rules. Some holdover from hearing MDs pronounce take two of these 3 times a day and come back in two weeks? And finally one rule over all rules: nothing works for everybody, everything works for somebody sol Marshall Dudley wrote: Is the time frame right on this? I have always assumed that a herx would show up much faster than a few hours, something more on the order of a few minutes to maybe 10 or 15 minutes. Anyone have experience with herx that can give some insight on this. I always recommend an interval of about 30 minutes, not a few hours. If that is too fast I need to know. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwater distiller brand, was Re: CS
- Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: Re: CSwater distiller brand, was Re: CS If you are distilling your own water for making CS you do not want to use the charcoal post-filter. I know this is applicable to the Love unit, and probably would apply to any other type of still. The post-filter adds too much stuff to the DW making it not pure enough to make CS with. The post-filter probably improves the taste of the DW for drinking though, and my understanding is that is the sole purpose of it. I guess I was lucky with my Love distiller. But mine sure does not have any pre-filter. Which model did you try? The only pre-filtering here is what I do to the water at the faucet before I fill the still. sol Sol, I am puzzled by your statement that the post-filter adds too much stuff to the DW making it not pure enough to make CS with, because in my lingo filtering REMOVES contaminants from the water. Did you mean to say something else? On the other hand, if what you said is what you meant, could you please explain how the post-filtering would add undesirable elements to the distilled water? Many thanks. I am really looking for clarity on this because I'd like to buy a distiller soon. Blessings, Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwater distiller brand, was Re: CS
The measure of DW purity most of us use to determine whether it is pure enough to make CS is conductance (uS). DW that has too high a conductance reading will make yellow CS (with large particles?), and depending on what the conductance comes from (as in salts maybe) the CS could be silver compounds instead of the ionic silver most of us hope we are making. If I understand the process correctly. The mfr of the Love distiller specifically told me not to use the post filter (the charcoal filter you put in the cap the water drips through into the collection bottle) for that reason, it would add particulates etc, to the water, raising the uS too high for making CS. I think I tossed out the filters that came with my unit, but if I didn't and can find them I'll run a test, measuring unfiltered finished DW with filtered. I do have some charcoal filters that came with a pet drinking fountain, but don't know if those are similar enough to be an accurate test. When I tested DW run through those a couple years ago, the increase in conductance was rather spectacular. From .3uS of the DW before going through the filter to around 50uS after filtering, if memory serves. No idea if the charcoal filters to the Love distiller would increase the conductance that much, without having one to test. sol Nenah Sylver wrote: Sol, I am puzzled by your statement that the post-filter adds too much stuff to the DW making it not pure enough to make CS with, because in my lingo filtering REMOVES contaminants from the water. Did you mean to say something else? On the other hand, if what you said is what you meant, could you please explain how the post-filtering would add undesirable elements to the distilled water? Many thanks. I am really looking for clarity on this because I'd like to buy a distiller soon. Blessings, Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHerx and dosing recommendations, was Re: CSAdvice Needed
Thanks, Sol -- that is precisely the kind of useful info I like. By the tablespoon may be unuseful, to say the least! Judy Down Maine From Sol This is sort of why I believe dosing recommendations vary so much. It is just too individual. I have ingested orally from an ounce or two to a quart of CS never gradually building up to the quart from the previous day's ounce.I have never experienced a herx reaction, not minutes nor hours after drinking the CS. Whether I chugged down a pint or more at once or drank a quart over a whole day. Never had even a hint of herx. And y et I must be full of pathogens, parasites, mycoplasmas or whatever the heck, as I have an incredible number of problems. My experience is that for most things I am trying to accomplish with oral CS, sipping it a little at a time over the day works more effectively than chugging a lot all at once and then waiting hours for the next dose. The exception is for stomach upsets/diarrhea, in which case drinking a glassful at once works much better than small doses over hours. For preventing colds and flu, misting eyes and hands several times a day and doing so religiously after being in any public place is the only thing that worksfor me. As Ode repeatedly has said here, the only dosing that makes any sense is to dose for effect. And that is so highly variable and individual that meaningful guidelines just can't be made. The same goes for ppm, imho. Some people here report much better results with very small quantities of 20 ppm, while others get the same results from larger quantities of 5 ppm. I have personally experienced both of those at different times for different condtitions I was trying to treat. I believe there are no meaningful rules except these: ---use only truly pure CS that is only pure distilled water and .999 or . silver ---start slowly while you watch to see how CS affects YOU (or your child, your pet) ---experiment to see what ppm and dosing works best for YOU (or your child, your pet) for the condition, problem, infection, or disease you are trying to treat After those, one can experiment with DMSO, peroxide, gatorade or whatever, high and low ppms, but for me those are the basic and only rules that make any kind of sense, given individual disease conditions, size, metabolism, and all the other possible variables. I don't know why people insist on black/white, 1 teaspoon, 3 times a day, or 2 quarts a day, or other such rules. Some holdover from hearing MDs pronounce take two of these 3 times a day and come back in two weeks? And finally one rule over all rules: nothing works for everybody, everything works for somebody sol Marshall Dudley wrote: Is the time frame right on this? I have always assumed that a herx would show up much faster than a few hours, something more on the order of a few minutes to maybe 10 or 15 minutes. Anyone have experience with herx that can give some insight on this. I always recommend an interval of about 30 minutes, not a few hours. If that is too fast I need to know. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwater distiller brand, was Re: CS
Thanks for elaborating, Sol. I'm still puzzled by how filtering water could cause MORE particulates to get into it, when the definition of filtering is to REMOVE contaminants. It takes ions to make conductivity, Nenah. It's just that the charcoal contributes its own contamination to the water. Folks found that out about filtering their CS with even the cleanest coffee filters. They were adding far more contamination than they were removing! Also...my understanding of the post-filter is that it's a very good thing to use to get rid of solvents like benzene, which cannot be eliminated during the first filtering and which, even with a second (post) filtering, are only partly eliminated. Won't a really good charcoal filter take out benzene before you distill? I'm thinking good quality pressed block carbon filters and their ilk. I wonder if it might not be a bad idea to boil the water for a few minutes to drive off those volitiles before putting it in the distiller. Either that or discard the first few ounces that come out? Hope that helps. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAdrian's questions...
Welcome aboard, Adrian! You write: I make it in a 850 ml jar, with 3 x 9 volt batteries, in series, but not sure what ppm it produces , Phil reckons 10ppm is best, Not having a ppm meter, cannot find one in NZ. I use two strips of 5 cm by 1 cm, by 0.2 mm thick. Perhaps somebody can calculate for me what ppm one gets after an hour. The 1st batch went golden and was presented to a friend after 4 hours or so. After that one piece was blackish. The 2nd and 3rd batch was an hour but has not gone golden??, nor was one piece blackish. I mainly joined to find this out. Well, you're making CS. It'll contain a lot of ions, some particles, and, depending on the purity of your water and whatever air or surface contaminants found there way into the brew cell, a few salts or other impurities. I am assuming you are using distilled water, of course. You are, right? grin If so, it's already as good as most folks use, and if you do nothing more you'll see nearly all the benefits anybody ever has. The golden stuff is probably greater than 10-15ppm and is starting to grow bigger particles. It could easily be as high as 20-25 ppm, but you can't really know without testing somehow. Still useful, but folks have developed tweaks to the process to keep the particles smaller. The clear stuff is hard to tell, but you'd be better off stopping after 2 to 3 hours, as the process starts slowly and builds exponentially, so it may have barely gotten going by one hour and may be very weak. The positive electrode, or anode, commonly turns black, either with some silver compound or other, or else as a consequence of the submicroscopic structure of the surface as it is being etched by the electrolysis. No problem. The fact that it didn't turn black on the shorter runs says the process had really not gotten going yet when you turned it off. If you let it run longer, you'll get a fluffy grey coating on the negative cathode that is silver being drawn out of suspension or solution and ultimately being wasted. It's either some compound of silver, and/or the pure metal, possibly embedded in a matrix of microscopic gas bubbles. The simplest refinement you can make to your setup is to add a milliamp meter in-line so you can measure the current flowing in the cell. Plotting current versus time you'll get an idea when the process really gets started, when the water gets saturated with ions and starts growing particles, and when it starts running away. You'll develop a good idea of what current reading is the best to stop at to get it where you want it. Again, it doesn't have to be precise, but you will have some consistency from batch to batch. The next simplest change you can make is to put a series limiting resistor in line with the cell to keep the current from exceeding, maybe, a milliamp or so. This will slow down the process a lot. It may take you overnight to make a batch now, but it'll keep the particles small and the ionic content as high as possible. That's how people make the stuff that stays clear and has a barely perceptible Tyndall effect. Is it better? Well a lot of folks believe it is. Not all, though. Beyond that, the refinements are for ease of use, greater precision, and, generally, pretty optional! (Though some will disagree with me! grin) Also does anybody know for a fact that mixing CS with tap water is such a sin? I've read this being repeated stated but never came across any decent explanation for it. Pour CS into tap water and watch closely. You may see a brief, faint violet or lavendar tint, which goes away pretty quickly. That's all your ionic portion agglomerating into larger particles and/or silver salts. It'll still have some effectiveness, certainly, but I doubt as much as before. If you take the stuff in your mouth and swish it around, it'll complex with all sorts of things in your saliva that will serve to transport the silver through the mucous membranes and into the blood stream. Once it's in the stomach, any that reacts with HCl will be reduced in availablility, but even silver chloride has some solubility and may continue to contribute. I guess I think it's safer to give the body a crack at the ionic portion rather than throwing it away before it even gets into you. Now if you're just adding it to your pet's water dish or something, then go ahead. It'll keep the water fresher and still be of some benefit to the animal from the silver. Also had toenail fungus, an oriental version, had it for 50 years, Had some Silvazine - standard burn cream - mixed it with menthol in a mortar, it changed radically in about 5 or so applications, so now will have to wait to see whether it recovers. Had been using lamysil and sporanox for years to no avail. That's a silver compound and it works too. Now you should talk to some of our experts on mixing it with DMSO, and... well, there's a lot to talk about! smile Hope that helps. Again, welcome!
Re: CSHerx and dosing recommendations, was Re: CSAdvice Needed
I hope no one reads my post to mean I think herx reactions don't exist, or don't happen to a lot of people, re-reading it I sound to myself like that is what I meant. What I meant to be clear about is that I have never experienced a herx reaction myself. Because of that I do wonder, though, if they are as common as most people seem to think. Or I am even weirder than *I* think. sol From Sol Never had even a hint of herx. And yet I must be full of pathogens, parasites, mycoplasmas or whatever the heck, as I have an incredible number of problems. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTranslating request...
Hi, this is definitely OT, but given the diverse and international nature of the membership, I'm hoping someone can help me with this. The kids' French teacher is a nice lady from our church who comes originally from Nice. She just had surgery, and we'd like to send her a get well card, in French of course. We're barely far enough along to say things like Je suis da list owner guy... so I'm hoping somebody can help me with a translation!? Something as simple as: Dear Claire, We miss you. We hope you're feeling better soon! Love, (We'll sign with our French names, of course.) Of course, if there is a more appropriate phrasing or custom, I'd love to hear about it, since it would be nice if it was *right.* (I don't even want to talk about the results that babblefish turned out! grin) Thank you, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHerx and dosing recommendations, was Re: CSAdvice Needed
Oh yes they exist. A friend of my daugher's would likely have died last night if I had not gotten hold of my daugher and told her to warn the lady to take it easy on the CS. This woman had been bitten by a brown recluse, and did nothing for it for about 3 or 4 days. She went to the doctor who prescribed some abx, but she kept getting worse even with the abx. The doctor said he thought she was going into septic shock and should go to the hospital today. My daugher asked me and I told her she should have taken CS from day one. Anyway, when I found ou she was going into septic shock and my daugher was taking some over to her, I made sure that she told her to start out easy, no more than a teaspoon, and work up. Well she said she took a half teaspoon of about 20 ppm EIS, and said she thought it was going to kill her. But a few hours later she was a little better and took some more. By morning she was taking about an ounce at a time. She went to the hospital anyway, but they reported that the infection seemed to be under control, and that they thought she was sick from the abx, since it was obviously working (she didn't tell them about the CS). Anyway, I got a call from my daugher thanking me for warning her to not take a bunch at once, she was going to tell her to drink a quart initially, adn that could have been fatal considering how she reacted to a half teaspoon. Marshall sol wrote: I hope no one reads my post to mean I think herx reactions don't exist, or don't happen to a lot of people, re-reading it I sound to myself like that is what I meant. What I meant to be clear about is that I have never experienced a herx reaction myself. Because of that I do wonder, though, if they are as common as most people seem to think. Or I am even weirder than *I* think. sol From Sol Never had even a hint of herx. And yet I must be full of pathogens, parasites, mycoplasmas or whatever the heck, as I have an incredible number of problems. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Tetrasil
I have used tetrasil on a spot that got bigger and got thicker. Looked like a mole but not as tall and lots wider and longer. It is half the length and width it was when I started rubbing in the T. and is now completely flat. Also, my fingernails had developed the ridges from base to tip that I had thought meant low stomach acid. After using the T to get the peeling spots(I think it was fungus of some kind) and the passage of some time (months), my nails are growing out with very few ridges. The Tetrasil will stain so you may have to tell people that the discoloration of the nails and skin around them is not dirt, but result from a stain from a therapeutic product you are using. It is a bit embarrassing but better than having the junk growing. imhopj __ Do you Yahoo!? Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Tetrasil
Where can you get the tetrasil? Sally Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com wrote: I have used tetrasil on a spot that got bigger and got thicker. Looked like a mole but not as tall and lots wider and longer. It is half the length and width it was when I started rubbing in the T. and is now completely flat. Also, my fingernails had developed the ridges from base to tip that I had thought meant low stomach acid. After using the T to get the peeling spots(I think it was fungus of some kind) and the passage of some time (months), my nails are growing out with very few ridges. The Tetrasil will stain so you may have to tell people that the discoloration of the nails and skin around them is not dirt, but result from a stain from a therapeutic product you are using. It is a bit embarrassing but better than having the junk growing. imho pj __ Do you Yahoo!? Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more.
CSRe: CSRe: CSTetrasil and Imusil®
Just to confirm phenomenon: Ran a batch of CS up to 28 uS..magnetically coupled mechanical stirring. 1 ma on 6 exposed surface 12 gauge electrodes. Clear, colorless and very faint TE Seperated batch into three 2oz jiggers as soon as it was done. 1] Added one drop of H2O2. Instant explosion of murky vaguely yellow/brown stuff gradually clearing by about 50%. Formation of oxygen? bubbles on sides of jigger as solution cleared somewhat and got less milky looking. On average, white but somewhat grey cast where light penetrates high particle density less well in the center. Extreme fine grained and very heavy dense TE. Conductivity drops to 11.2 uS. Nothing settled It's apparent that mega quantites of particles formed and oxygen? was released forming an emulsion in the water which condensed into about 50 or so 1/8th inch diameter bubbles clinging to the sides of the jigger. 2] Control..nothing done to it. Conductivity after 2 days, 18.8 uS. Very slight increase in TE. Still clear and colorless. No bubbles or anything. 3] One drop H2O2 added after 2 days. No apparent reaction. Looks identical to control in all respects after 2 days. Conductivity 18.6 uS after another day. Conclusion: There's a major difference between freshly made EIS and the same EIS that has been stored and stabilised with time. H2O2 reacts violently with new? ions? but not old ones, forming extreme numbers of probably small particles. Since there is an obvious gas release, obviously on a molecular level, that might be more than what one drop of peroxide contains, it's not likely to be an oxide formation that results but, perhaps, a breaking down of oxides or maybe silver hydroxides. [Could be both hydrogen and oxygen bubbles] At any rate, [in purely scientific terms] a freeking lot of particles get formed quite fast and conductivity drops like a rock when peroxide is added to fresh EIS. Nothing noticable happens when the same thing is done to stabilized EIS. Personal observation with no way to validate it: Swigging down a jigger of very fresh EIS results in a distinct energetic 'awake' feeling that is not apparent after swigging down stabilized EIS. There is a possibility that something similar to the H2O2 reaction is taking place 'in vivo'...maybe free radical scavenging and blood oxygenation side effect? [Or a case of delusions] Since very good results on toe fungus was during a period of experimentation where I was always swigging from fresh batches and fungus slowly grew back after that period, it could be that very fresh EIS is much more beneficial than stored. [Or, I selected out a silver resistant strain of fungus..or something else.] Ode At 10:49 AM 12/9/2004 -0500, you wrote: Stuff wrote: At 03:08 PM 12/7/2004 -0500, you wrote: Can anyone find anything on how to produce AgO4??? I have struck out doing searches. Marshall Don't you mean Ag404? I too would like to know. You are correct. I have been searching for AgO4 without much luck. I thought it was silver tetraoxide, but it is apparently tetrasilver tetraoxide. But the CAS calls it silver oxide. So I am now really confused, my CRC handbook calls Ag2O silver oxide and AgO silver peroxide and does not even show Ag4O4. Hmmm, I wonder if this is what is produced when you add H2O2 to EIS, if so that would explain the increased effectiveness perhaps. If I find anything I will post another message. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.8 - Release Date: 12/8/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.8 - Release Date: 12/8/2004 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.8 - Release Date: 12/8/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.8 - Release Date: 12/8/2004 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.8 - Release Date: 12/8/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.8 - Release Date: 12/8/2004
Re: CSRe: CSRe: CSTetrasil and Imusil�(OT magnetic stirring questio n)
Do you notice any differences in the quality of the cs or health benefits as a result of magnetic stirring? Tanks Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdvice Needed
104 is not abnormal for a child, in fact I had 104 once when around 25 or so. The dr came round every hour or so, It just went away. It seems to be at the upper limit, but.. It is NOT impossible, although rare. There's a vast difference between theory and actuality. In a gulf in the mediterranean, the hottest place on earth, people regularly die of it, unless they drink all day. I forget the temperature, but very high, She means 104 Fahrenheit of course. PPM means parts per million, its called colloidal because the particles are very smal and remain in suspension in water, Anyhow, it seems to be the convention to introduce oneself, being a newbie. I'm 75 definitely non-normal in several ways, curious about many things and a regular landmine of miscellaneous misinformation or something. I have a ? about CS. I make it in a 850 ml jar, with 3 x 9 volt batteries, in series, but not sure what ppm it produces , Phil reckons 10ppm is best, Not having a ppm meter, cannot find one in NZ. I use two strips of 5 cm by 1 cm, by 0.2 mm thick. Perhaps somebody can calculate for me what ppm one gets after an hour. The 1st batch went golden and was presented to a friend after 4 hours or so. After that one piece was blackish. The 2nd and 3rd batch was an hour but has not gone golden??, nor was one piece blackish. I mainly joined to find this out. Also does anybody know for a fact that mixing CS with tap water is such a sin? I've read this being repeated stated but never came across any decent explanation for it. When put on the body there's a rich population of bacteria, etc, perspiration and the atmosphere is damp, so the pure silver in dislitted water is there mixed up with many things and still works, and it's even worse when drinkiing it since the stomach contains hydrocholiric acid which does drastic things to whatever enters the stomach. Bacteria have some marvels of defense tactics, chemically and it still gets through. Also had toenail fungus, an oriental version, had it for 50 years, Had some Silvazine - standard burn cream - mixed it with menthol in a mortar, it changed radically in about 5 or so applications, so now will have to wait to see whether it recovers. Had been using lamysil and sporanox for years to no avail. That's a silver compound and it works too. adrian Marshall Dudley wrote: Lea Ann wrote: Hello, My 2 year old son was fine this AM but took a 3 hour nap (much longer than usual) and woke up with a temperature of 104 Celsius. *That is impossible, that is over the boiling point of water. Do you mean 104 F?*
Re: CSTranslating request...
Adrian writes: There's dozens of translators on internet for short phrases. Yep, and the job done by the ones I've looked at so far is very, shall we say, chancy? I'd have an even money chance of insulting the poor lady as making her split a gut laughing at our efforts if I trusted to babblefish, for instance. Any others that are more reliable? I'm all ears! Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHerx and dosing recommendations, was Re: CSAdvice Needed
I think that is a case where I'd treat topically as well as with oral CS. I have not treated myself for a recluse bite, but people who treat for things I have taken CS for do say they have had Herx reactions. I have no explanation for why I don't experience them. I have read though, that regular old Rx antibiotics can also cause herx reactions. sol Marshall Dudley wrote: Oh yes they exist. A friend of my daugher's would likely have died last night if I had not gotten hold of my daugher and told her to warn the lady to take it easy on the CS. This woman had been bitten by a brown recluse, and did nothing for it for about 3 or 4 days. She went to the doctor who prescribed some abx, but she kept getting worse even with the abx. The doctor said he thought she was going into septic shock and should go to the hospital today. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwater distiller brand, was Re: CS
- Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: Re: CSwater distiller brand, was Re: CS The measure of DW purity most of us use to determine whether it is pure enough to make CS is conductance (uS). DW that has too high a conductance reading will make yellow CS (with large particles?), and depending on what the conductance comes from (as in salts maybe) the CS could be silver compounds instead of the ionic silver most of us hope we are making. If I understand the process correctly. The mfr of the Love distiller specifically told me not to use the post filter (the charcoal filter you put in the cap the water drips through into the collection bottle) for that reason, it would add particulates etc, to the water, raising the uS too high for making CS. I think I tossed out the filters that came with my unit, but if I didn't and can find them I'll run a test, measuring unfiltered finished DW with filtered. I do have some charcoal filters that came with a pet drinking fountain, but don't know if those are similar enough to be an accurate test. When I tested DW run through those a couple years ago, the increase in conductance was rather spectacular. From .3uS of the DW before going through the filter to around 50uS after filtering, if memory serves. No idea if the charcoal filters to the Love distiller would increase the conductance that much, without having one to test. sol Thanks for elaborating, Sol. I'm still puzzled by how filtering water could cause MORE particulates to get into it, when the definition of filtering is to REMOVE contaminants. Also...my understanding of the post-filter is that it's a very good thing to use to get rid of solvents like benzene, which cannot be eliminated during the first filtering and which, even with a second (post) filtering, are only partly eliminated. I'll talk to some other sellers of water distillers and see if I can clear this up. Blessings, Nenah Nenah Sylver wrote: Sol, I am puzzled by your statement that the post-filter adds too much stuff to the DW making it not pure enough to make CS with, because in my lingo filtering REMOVES contaminants from the water. Did you mean to say something else? On the other hand, if what you said is what you meant, could you please explain how the post-filtering would add undesirable elements to the distilled water? Many thanks. I am really looking for clarity on this because I'd like to buy a distiller soon. Blessings, Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwater distiller brand, was Re: CS
Filtering stuff happens if the carbon used is dirty. adrian. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHerx and dosing recommendations, was Re: CSAdvice Needed
The only method I know of which might be useful in determining a proper dosage of any substance is the Bi-Digital O-Ring Test of Y. Omura, M.D. Regrettably, this method is not well known, and there are very few trained experts.Another form of AK might work, but none is so meticulously documented or respected by MD's worldwide. This is regrettable, as the questions raised below are important, and ordinary people need some means of making such decisions. Self-testing, by the say, is extremely awkward to say the least. JBB On Saturday, Dec 11, 2004, at 03:33 Asia/Tokyo, sol wrote: This is sort of why I believe dosing recommendations vary so much. It is just too individual. I have ingested orally from an ounce or two to a quart of CS never gradually building up to the quart from the previous day's ounce. I have never experienced a herx reaction, not minutes nor hours after drinking the CS. Whether I chugged down a pint or more at once or drank a quart over a whole day. Never had even a hint of herx. And y et I must be full of pathogens, parasites, mycoplasmas or whatever the heck, as I have an incredible number of problems. My experience is that for most things I am trying to accomplish with oral CS, sipping it a little at a time over the day works more effectively than chugging a lot all at once and then waiting hours for the next dose. The exception is for stomach upsets/diarrhea, in which case drinking a glassful at once works much better than small doses over hours. For preventing colds and flu, misting eyes and hands several times a day and doing so religiously after being in any public place is the only thing that worksfor me. As Ode repeatedly has said here, the only dosing that makes any sense is to dose for effect. And that is so highly variable and individual that meaningful guidelines just can't be made. The same goes for ppm, imho. Some people here report much better results with very small quantities of 20 ppm, while others get the same results from larger quantities of 5 ppm. I have personally experienced both of those at different times for different condtitions I was trying to treat. I believe there are no meaningful rules except these: ---use only truly pure CS that is only pure distilled water and .999 or . silver ---start slowly while you watch to see how CS affects YOU (or your child, your pet) ---experiment to see what ppm and dosing works best for YOU (or your child, your pet) for the condition, problem, infection, or disease you are trying to treat After those, one can experiment with DMSO, peroxide, gatorade or whatever, high and low ppms, but for me those are the basic and only rules that make any kind of sense, given individual disease conditions, size, metabolism, and all the other possible variables. I don't know why people insist on black/white, 1 teaspoon, 3 times a day, or 2 quarts a day, or other such rules. Some holdover from hearing MDs pronounce take two of these 3 times a day and come back in two weeks? And finally one rule over all rules: nothing works for everybody, everything works for somebody sol Marshall Dudley wrote: Is the time frame right on this? I have always assumed that a herx would show up much faster than a few hours, something more on the order of a few minutes to maybe 10 or 15 minutes. Anyone have experience with herx that can give some insight on this. I always recommend an interval of about 30 minutes, not a few hours. If that is too fast I need to know. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdrian's questions...
M. G. Devour wrote: Ta Mike, been fossicking around on Internet IT SEEMS, the smaller the particles the better, concentrations of 0.2 ppm work. All our body cells fluids are in a colloidal state and thus mix better with colloids. Bigger in this case is NOT better. Linus Pauling said that most all diseases can be traced back to a deficiency of minerals. Trouble is what else does it need to body incorporate those minerals? We need some 32 trace elements and this list is therefore not complete Zinc, Copper, Iron, Tin, Calcium, Sodium, Potassium, Magnesium, Manganese, Molybdenum, Chromium, and Boron as well as other rarer elements like Selenium, Germanium, Vanadium, Platinum, Gold, Titanium, Rhodium, and Iridium) from the food chain is the beginning of our end. This implies our body is a microcosm of the macrocosm copying the natural proportions of elements, although CHO are the base building matter. I recall one german province has people live longer because the water contains arsenic. Cleanliness ie quoteAll glassware must be scrupulously clean.Glass and plastic containers and stirrers should be cleaned in aqua regia, thoroughly washed in deionized water, and siliconized. All reagents must be of high quality Analytical grade and should be filtered immediately before use. Water should be double distilled or high quality deionized. Since we cannot achieve that, no great matter. Our body regularly disposes as poop and urine sweat as well as in breathing, any surplus stuff. Of course that only works well in a fully healthy body which we ain't got. The pancreas makes about 0.5 liter a day and its composition varies by the second. We're getting overdosed by one of our worst afflictions here, isolating things from one another in a pure state, after which it's god's own problem to figure out in which proportion to muddle them back again when Nature provides that already done. I'm doing colloidal gold right now in a previous silver solution. I cannot see why it costs so much because it costs but cents a liter to make. I'm going to make copper and zinc as well. The copper wire inside power leads should do fine. NZ is deficient in copper, cobalt, sinc, selenium and iodine and that is worth thinking on for every country. It might be interesting to read up in Ayurvedic medicine because it is fond of using metals whereas chinese herbology is fond of anything on a forest floor. It might also be interesting to boil animal bones in a pressure cooker until the bones crumbles because bone contains lots of minerals. Another one to think of is grass juice, because cows and sheep do well on that. It needs one of those single gear, slow speed cruncher juicers, which leave dry pulp. After an hour on the batteries the csathode, I think, went black where the anode started to produce bubbles of hydrogen one fancies and I take that to mean the particles will get bigger, so I stopped. I'm told after 3 weeks of a teaspoon a day on gets smarter, more relaxed and feel better, we'll see and me getting a worse smartass than I am already,. adrian -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTranslating request...
There's dozens of translators on internet for short phrases. adrian -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHerx and dosing recommendations, was Re: CSAdvice Needed
Can you describe in plain english what the Bi-Digital O-ring test is? I have googled some info on it, and to be honest I can't make head or tail of it, but I'd like to have a simple explanation of what it is, if there is one. TIA, sol Jonathan B. Britten wrote: The only method I know of which might be useful in determining a proper dosage of any substance is the Bi-Digital O-Ring Test of Y. Omura, M.D. Regrettably, this method is not well known, and there are very few trained experts.Another form of AK might work, but none is so meticulously documented or respected by MD's worldwide. This is regrettable, as the questions raised below are important, and ordinary people need some means of making such decisions. Self-testing, by the say, is extremely awkward to say the least. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwater distiller brand, was Re: CS
**it's very simple, nina. the filters are made of particles and some of these enter the water. however, the rest of the filter is removing contaminants. some people suggest filtering the water BEFORE distilling. Thanks for elaborating, Sol. I'm still puzzled by how filtering water could cause MORE particulates to get into it, when the definition of filtering is to REMOVE contaminants. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHerx and dosing recommendations, was Re: CSAdvice Needed
Please see: http://www.baobab.or.jp/~oring/e_basis.shtml The BDORT is a test of muscle strength; it is a kind of applied kinesiology with extensive medical testing and verification. Make an OK sign with one hand. This is a bi-digital o-ring.A doctor will attempt to pull open that circle with his/her own O-Rings. It is exceedingly simple in principle, so much so that it seems unbelievable. It was patented in the USA after seven years and several rejections, and only after many MD's sent supporting documentation to the USPTO. Recently the BDORT has been used in SARS testing in Asia, and idea that I think is extremely good, with great potential apropos bioterrorism prevention. JBB On Saturday, Dec 11, 2004, at 11:58 Asia/Tokyo, sol wrote: Can you describe in plain english what the Bi-Digital O-ring test is? I have googled some info on it, and to be honest I can't make head or tail of it, but I'd like to have a simple explanation of what it is, if there is one. TIA, sol Jonathan B. Britten wrote: The only method I know of which might be useful in determining a proper dosage of any substance is the Bi-Digital O-Ring Test of Y. Omura, M.D. Regrettably, this method is not well known, and there are very few trained experts.Another form of AK might work, but none is so meticulously documented or respected by MD's worldwide. This is regrettable, as the questions raised below are important, and ordinary people need some means of making such decisions. Self-testing, by the say, is extremely awkward to say the least. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHerx and dosing recommendations, was Re: CSAdvice Needed
Even that does not indicate which finger correlates with which genome and organ system, which would help to know. I checked the Journal and it cannot find Omura in the abstracts either. Come to think of it I used an even simpler technique when counseling, I used to hypnotise the toe or finger by saying Finger wiggle when you lie and stay still when taking truth Then ask yes no questions, and it works. Very convincing to the patient as well. adrian Jonathan B. Britten wrote: Please see: http://www.baobab.or.jp/~oring/e_basis.shtml Jonathan B. Britten wrote: Please see: http://www.baobab.or.jp/~oring/e_basis.shtml The BDORT is a test of muscle strength; it is a kind of applied kinesiology with extensive medical testing and verification. Make an OK sign with one hand. This is a bi-digital o-ring. A doctor will attempt to pull open that circle with his/her own O-Rings. It is exceedingly simple in principle, so much so that it seems unbelievable. It was patented in the USA after seven years and several rejections, and only after many MD's sent supporting documentation to the USPTO. Recently the BDORT has been used in SARS testing in Asia, and idea that I think is extremely good, with great potential apropos bioterrorism prevention. JBB On Saturday, Dec 11, 2004, at 11:58 Asia/Tokyo, sol wrote: Can you describe in plain english what the Bi-Digital O-ring test is? I have googled some info on it, and to be honest I can't make head or tail of it, but I'd like to have a simple explanation of what it is, if there is one. TIA, sol Jonathan B. Britten wrote: The only method I know of which might be useful in determining a proper dosage of any substance is the Bi-Digital O-Ring Test of Y. Omura, M.D. Regrettably, this method is not well known, and there are very few trained experts. Another form of AK might work, but none is so meticulously documented or respected by MD's worldwide. This is regrettable, as the questions raised below are important, and ordinary people need some means of making such decisions. Self-testing, by the say, is extremely awkward to say the least. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
