Re: CSNon-C/S - OT- Yahoo MMS Group
Here is an overview of the links to join the group which Wayne has started to discuss all and everything to do with MMS: Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MDI_News/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MDI_News/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:mdi_news-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:mdi_news-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: mdi_news-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTick Removal and Lyme Disease WebSite - Daddybob protocol quote on Salt DMSO
Does anyone have a link to a site with info about the MWO device? I would like to check one out. Paula - Original Message - From: mborg...@att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:28 AM Subject: Re: CSTick Removal and Lyme Disease WebSite - Daddybob protocol quote on Salt DMSO Thank You for your information on lyme. In your article you also mentioned MWO, I just received Dan's Enhancer, what has been your experience with your MWO device?? How many times a week do you use it and what for?? Thank You Mary -- Original message -- From: Rowena new...@aapt.net.au As ticks and Lyme is up for discussion again, I am posting part of a Daddybob experience and opinion that sounds like very valuable regime and first aid advice to me. Daddybob had one of his daughters completely cured of Lyme within a year using the Salt/C protocol, and not too long ago his other daughter found a tick embedded in her skin. This is part of his report: The first thing I did was to get a half teaspoon of RealSalt into her. We had taken our MKBD along with us (for you who have not run into the term, it is a form of the Energy Pulser and may be considered to be a very simple form of a MWO[=multi wave oscillator, I think - R.]) It is very powerful so we don't overuse it, and I had her to expose the bite area to the device for 2 minutes. We all went back to bed but my mind was good and switched on by this time. For those of you who don't know, we've already dealt with and beaten Lyme in our daughter Emma by using the Salt/C protocol and the MKBD. But now that I had direct knowledge of the exact time of the bite in this case, I was determined to do more about it immediately somehow. I didn't get my answer until I had some more sleep, but Sunday morning here's what we did. I knew Mom had some DMSO. I looked up the molecular weight of sodium chloride on the internet and found it to be about 53, which is well under the 1000 threshold for DMSO to carry substances through the skin. I had Bonnie to mix table salt into it until it dissolved but kept it thick. We did not use RealSalt because I wanted as pure sodium chloride for this as I could get right then. I had her to rub the wound with this mixture about 4 times before we left in the early afternoon. The idea is to get salt right in there early to kill any microorganims, bacterial or parasitical. From our early days of treating Emma's Lyme, I had bought some USP Sodium Chloride tablets. If I'd had these with me that's what I would've used. From now on, a bottle of them will travel in my toiletry bag, and a small bottle of DMSO also. Ticks are rampant these days. I could go on about why I think there are so many more now but the important thing is to know that they are everywhere now. Hope this proves valuable for someone - Rowena in Australia Hope you don't mind, Daddybob, but this information is too valuable to let it get lost or forgotten. - R SMax said: Straight off of www.canlyme.com An excellent and highly regarded website to obtain information pertaining to Lyme Disease which has reached epidemic proportions in the US. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/981 - Release Date: 8/31/07 6:13 AM
Re: CSArthritis is all gone!!
Excellent, Marshalee. Thanks for the details, I'm sure others are interested. It is just so pleasing to hear of your success. It's lifted my spirits. Peace! Mike D. Hi, Mike! It was probably osteo; I never saw a doc for it, as the only arthritis doc here that takes Medicaid had a one year waiting time to see him!!! Forget that... The CMO was Duoflex brand. The cream has MSM and vitamin E in it as well. I also took glucosamine and MSM capsules, but haven`t taken any of them for several months now. I`m now taking a balanced preparation of calcium and magnesium orotate in a capsule, and darned if my bone spurs in the feet aren`t disappearing!! Marshalee Marshalee! That is just FANTABULOUS news! Thank you so much for letting us know. Was it rheumatoid or osteoarthritis? Where did you buy your CMO from? What brand? Dear Friends, I just wanted to tell you that, thanks to a fellow on this list who told me about CMO, my arthritis is now gone. I have absolutely no pain, even though I still have the nodes on both small fingers. None of the other fingers are affected, and all my joints, even the knees and hips, no longer bother me! I haven`t tried the borax, even though I bought some. One course of CMO that I got through the Internet did the trick! Hugs to you all! Marshalee Just to anticipate a few questions: CMO stands for cetyl myristoleate, which you can read a lot about via Google. Unlike the popular glucosamine and chondroitin, that can give some pain relief and improved range of motion as long as you continue to take them, CMO apparently helps the body to begin rebuilding cartilage in arthritic joints, allowing for long term improvement after only one or two brief courses of the supplement. PS, a month ago I got lazy and didn`t take my CS. I got a UTI that was horrendous! Was like peeing barb wire! Ouchy! Made some fresh CS, and 2 days later, it was all better! That`ll larn me! We've all gotten lazy from time to time. It always seems to catch up with us!!! grin Be well! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CSRe: MLM, MMS, and ........ the Chase
To be a little more specific: You CAN make Chlorine Compounds and gases by running electricity through salt water, and I did in fact mention that possibility. [Specifically] Vitamin O ***could*** be similar to MMS, but the FTC lab not detecting such would be a far stretch of the imagination. Sodium Chlorite or Chlorate is a pretty far cry from salt. The odds are good that Vitamin O is not similar to MMS..or..the FTC is unbelievably out to lunch. Scam, wins the odds game in my book. Stabilized Oxygen is not a very specific term. It lumps different things together like the term colloidal silver gets used to lump different things together...hence the coined EIS ..makes it tough to sort through the miracles What *MMS* Miracle Mineral Supplement [aka SCD ] has to do with Mineral Supplementation is beyond me. [FDA dodge maybe ] I'm not finding anything where the FTC [or FDA for that matter ] has attacked Miracle Mineral Supplement, but they might get around to it as a mislabel if they ever sell 200 million dollars worth of product like the Vitamin O people have. Big bucks get big attention. Scam another story, generally under the heading of secrecy and ad copy that says absolutely nothing. To MMS credit, they aren't hiding what it is [If you look just behind the name, that is] Pretty darned straight up, even if it doesn't work. At least, if you burn your tongue off, you know where to go with it. [exaggeration] stabilized chlorine dioxide (SCD)...aka MMS Still a misnomer, but is a better label ... has an established reputation of sorts. Mr Humble didn't invent it. [I don't recall seeing that specific claim] He used it in a different than accepted application. If it kills Malaria parasites etcand not the people, good for him...and them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide Sodium chlorate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SodiumNahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChlorineClhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OxygenO3) is an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidizing_agentoxidizing agent. It is mostly used to produce http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxidechlorine dioxide for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleachbleaching http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_pulppaper pulp, but is also used as a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbicideherbicide and to prepare other http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloratechlorates. [like roundup and yes, agent orange, agent white etc] It is synthesized from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysiselectrolysis of hot sodium chloride solution in a mixed electrode tank. Sodium *chlorite* NaClO2 is derived indirectly from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_chloratesodium chlorate, NaClO3. First, the explosively unstable gas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxidechlorine dioxide, ClO2 is produced by reducing sodium chlorate in a strong acid solution with a suitable reducing agent (for example, sodium chloride, sulfur dioxide, or hydrochloric acid). The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxidechlorine dioxide is then absorbed into an alkaline solution and reduced with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_peroxidehydrogen peroxide, H2O2 yielding sodium chlorite. Chlorine dioxide is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_compoundchemical compound with the formula ClO2. This greenish-yellow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasgas crystallizes as orange crystals at 59 °C. As one of several http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxideoxides of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorinechlorine, it is a potent and useful oxidizing agent used in water treatment and in bleaching. A number of products are marketed as stabilized chlorine dioxide (SCD). These are not actually solutions of chlorine dioxide but solutions of buffered *sodium chlorite*. A weak acid [like vinegar] can be added to SCD to activate it and make chlorine dioxide in-situ without a chlorine dioxide generator. The use of SCD is effective when the demand for chlorine dioxide is low and when impurities, such as small amounts of chlorine, can be tolerated. Stabilized chlorine dioxide can also be used in an oral rinse to treat oral disease and malodor. ## It is, however, mildly toxic..but then, so is beer. What does mildly mean? [That could be important ] In comparison: Malaria is not mild by any means. If the FTC looks at MMS and finds SCD, they just might decide to not pick nits. The relationship is right behind an unlocked door with a big PDF knob on it that sez Open me. If they look at Stabilized Oxygen [Vitamin O ] and find salt water behind an ad copy vault? Could be more than just nits. Ode -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release Date: 8/31/2007 5:21 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to:
CSAn interview with Chlorine Dioxide
http://www.chemistry.org/portal/a/c/s/1/feature_ent.html?id=4c5e5bc6f63311d5f4696ed9fe800100 An Interview with Chlorine Dioxide Chlorine dioxide has been prominent in the news recently for its role helping rid Senator Tom Daschle's office and the air ducts in the Hart Senate Office Building of anthrax spores. This week (December 10, 2001) we sat down for an exclusive interview with this previously obscure chemical. KM- When you heard that Senator Daschle's office was going to have to be fumigated, did you think you would get the gig? ClO2- Well, I guess the EPA might have considered a few other oxidizing agents: ozone, hypochlorites (my cousins), or peroxyacetic acid. We're all in the union, but for fumigation (gas-phase) applications, I guess I have the right combination of qualities. I'm a gas at room temperature. As I said, I'm easily generated, and my antimicrobial activity is very rapid. They might have gone with ozone, but she's a bit too reactive, and they thought she might destroy vital equipment or papers. The EPA actually tested me in a sealed trailer before they decided to use me. I am proud to say that I was effective without destroying any of the computers or papers. KM- Any last words? ClO2- Yes, I want to emphasize that I am a chemical, and I am proud of it! As a matter of fact, I am a moderately toxic chemical. As such, I sometimes suffer from the misconceptions and prejudices that people have of me. I feel privileged to have the opportunity to serve so publicly in the service of humanity. Thank you. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release Date: 8/31/2007 5:21 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOde
At 05:33 PM 8/31/2007 -0400, you wrote: Am I being grumpy? Hard to tell when being grumpy. ..a bit disoriented with all the mixed terms, sound alike subjects and miracles being swept under magical myth blankets maybe. It's like a big pea soup fog with everyone, including me, feeling a whole bunch of peeled grapes and seeing a single disembodied eyeball. Gotta shake my head a little and stick the BBs to the sides. Ode did you just wake up from hibernation or something. LOL. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release Date: 8/31/2007 5:21 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release Date: 8/31/2007 5:21 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release Date: 8/31/2007 5:21 PM
Re: CSFw: Non C/S - OT MLM, MMS, and ........ the Chase
It would be a good thing to note the *probable* difference between Vitamin O and MMS. ..and how non-specific the term Stabilized Oxygen can be. Ode At 03:37 PM 8/31/2007 -0700, you wrote: Thanks Ode - Coyote Code S-Max How would I know if you did or didn't? It ain't mine anymore anyhow. I put it in keyboard code and tossed into the net for others to take [or toss] as they wish. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release Date: 8/31/2007 5:21 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release Date: 8/31/2007 5:21 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release Date: 8/31/2007 5:21 PM
Re: CSJust passing this on
At 08:46 PM 8/31/2007 -0700, you wrote: Protecting and monopolizing that investment must be what justifies the suppression of competitive treatments. ## That's part of it, a pretty big part. The FDA needs to get the out of the Pharms pocket. The problem is: If the Pharm doesn't finance all their own testing as required by the FDA like they do now, who will finance the FDA doing the testing like they should be? That would be the tax payer who doesn't want to foot the bill, as though, they already aren't. If the taxpayers suddenly realizes they ARE footing the bill..and then some, then Alt Med gets a prayer of going legit. Product testing will suddenly be affordable, but the number of tests will skyrocket, thus, so will the bill. Right now, Alt Med has an advantage of sorts. It can put just about any BS out there with a disclaimer, so long as they don't make any claims. It's a blind eye the FDA gives themselves and they use it, unless somebody pokes their finger into it and grabs their attention. Going legit would toss a whole bunch of kook-ies into the cutter. ..careful what you wish for, ey? On the other side of the coin would be the Alt Patient. Some common sense, dogged research and a lot of personal discrimination is what that takes. But who is left to sue when common sense is so..not common, and dogged means to bark at somebody without discrimination? Gulianni cleaned up NYC, but it lost a lot of it's illicit flavor in the process. Kinda boring and safe these days. Ode -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release Date: 8/31/2007 5:21 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAtten: Marshalee
No maintenance, I`m now taking nothing for arthritis at all! It took several months before the symptoms were all gone, though. I took 3 capsules a day for a month, and used the cream directly on the sore spots. It worked! Hallelujah! That's wonderful Marshalee -- I'm so happy for you. Thanks for sharing!! MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: MLM, MMS, and ........ the Chase
Morning Ode, At 08:44 AM 9/1/2007, you wrote: I appreciate your research and update. You came to the same decisions that I did in most all cases. To be a little more specific: Stabilized Oxygen is not a very specific term. True, I think some of the general terms are in use avoid long complex definitions such as in .. Electronics Electricity ECT. has attacked Miracle Mineral Supplement, but they might get around to it as a mislabel if they ever sell 200 million dollars worth of product like the Vitamin O people have. As I viewed my crystal ball, I saw the words. It is a matter of time And the time has arrived and past. May post the example. To MMS credit, they aren't hiding what it is [If you look just behind the name, that is] Pretty darned straight up, even if it doesn't work. True. I view Mr. Humbles writing as being very honest. Mr Humble didn't invent it. [I don't recall seeing that specific claim] He used it in a different than accepted application. If it kills Malaria parasites etcand not the people, good for him...and them. Did you read about the chemist that helped him work our some details ? Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTick Removal and Lyme Disease WebSite - Daddybob protocol quote on Salt DMSO
When I was doing my research on MWO I found out that if you look under Pulsed electromagnetic field therapy, you will find many companies. Mary I works very well. -- Original message -- From: Paula Perry p...@zoomnet.net Does anyone have a link to a site with info about the MWO device? I would like to check one out. Paula - Original Message - From: mborg...@att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:28 AM Subject: Re: CSTick Removal and Lyme Disease WebSite - Daddybob protocol quote on Salt DMSO Thank You for your information on lyme. In your article you also mentioned MWO, I just received Dan's Enhancer, what has been your experience with your MWO device?? How many times a week do you use it and what for?? Thank You Mary -- Original message -- From: Rowena new...@aapt.net.au As ticks and Lyme is up for discussion again, I am posting part of a Daddybob experience and opinion that sounds like very valuable regime and first aid advice to me. Daddybob had one of his daughters completely cured of Lyme within a year using the Salt/C protocol, and not too long ago his other daughter found a tick embedded in her skin. This is part of his report: The first thing I did was to get a half teaspoon of RealSalt into her. We had taken our MKBD along with us (for you who have not run into the term, it is a form of the Energy Pulser and may be considered to be a very simple form of a MWO[=multi wave oscillator, I think - R.]) It is very powerful so we don't overuse it, and I had her to expose the bite area to the device for 2 minutes. We all went back to bed but my mind was good and switched on by this time. For those of you who don't know, we've already dealt with and beaten Lyme in our daughter Emma by using the Salt/C protocol and the MKBD. But now that I had direct knowledge of the exact time of the bite in this case, I was determined to do more about it immediately somehow. I didn't get my answer until I had some more sleep, but Sunday morning here's what we did. I knew Mom had some DMSO. I looked up the molecular weight of sodium chloride on the internet and found it to be about 53, which is well under the 1000 threshold for DMSO to carry substances through the skin. I had Bonnie to mix table salt into it until it dissolved but kept it thick. We did not use RealSalt because I wanted as pure sodium chloride for this as I could get right then. I had her to rub the wound with this mixture about 4 times before we left in the early afternoon. The idea is to get salt right in there early to kill any microorganims, bacterial or parasitical. From our early days of treating Emma's Lyme, I had bought some USP Sodium Chloride tablets. If I'd had these with me that's what I would've used. From now on, a bottle of them will travel in my toiletry bag, and a small bottle of DMSO also. Ticks are rampant these days. I could go on about why I think there are so many more now but the important thing is to know that they are everywhere now. Hope this proves valuable for someone - Rowena in Australia Hope you don't mind, Daddybob, but this information is too valuable to let it get lost or forgotten. - R SMax said: Straight off of www.canlyme.com An excellent and highly regarded website to obtain information pertaining to Lyme Disease which has reached epidemic proportions in the US. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/981 - Release Date: 8/31/07 6:13 AM
CSRe: Stabilized Oxygen
There are two known ways to increase tissue/blood oxygenation levels - hyperbaric oxygen therapy, and ozone therapy. Some alternative type MDs have been advocating a method with the fancy name of EWOT (Exercise With Oxygen Therapy) which is merely breathing an increased concentration of oxygen while doing some form of light exercise such as treadmill or stationary bicycle, and indicate that it is very effective in getting extra oxygen into the body. It only works if your blood oxygen levels are already low - ie, below normal... It will not significantly increase blood oxygen content of a normal healthy individual... but I will concede that it may raise them *slightly*... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMMS again, to Marshall
What ever it isI would not again take the 15 drops bottle recommended as I did for my first dose. YUK! To me, very powerful stuff, felt just a tad nasuaus and off center, and very acidic on my stomach.Which was empty at the time. Ate food which didn't help much. A half a glass of milk about an hour later gave some relief. Next dose, depending on how this one goes, how long the yuk affects linger, . 1-3 drops, then some apple juice followed perhaps by some yogyuart or a glass of milk. Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Jonathan B. Britten wrote: This summary is what was needed. Thanks for that, Mike. The pdf is rather long-winded. A key point is that the claimed function is oxidative destruction -- by chlorine dioxide -- of all pathogens with no damage to healthy tissue. H202 and O3 advocates make the same claim. I have no idea whether these are valid claims. I would worry about free radical damage. At 20 dollars for a 650-drop bottle I think most of us can afford to give it a try if it's not dangerous. My impression is that the author is sincere and at least believes that he's made an important discovery. All he says is falsifiable and if it's not true will be found out. The most interesting claim in my view: stabilized oxygen's effective ingredient is not the oxygen but rather the chlorine dioxide. One last point: the author admits that his product is the same as stabilized oxygen made from sodium chlorite, but is 28 times for powerful. He also says one can make MMS at home and provides instructions in the second download and in his book. Marshall asks if chlorine dioxide is the stuff in Chlorox Bleach. Good question. If so I would assume it is entirely indiscriminate in its action and would be very risky to take internally. This was due to someone who was claiming that chlorine dioxide is the same thing as sodium hypochlorite, which is bleach. After investigating, I find that they are NOT the same thing. The confusion may have arisen because chlorine dioxide can be made from a mixture of sodium chlorite and sodium hypochlorite. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ~ and the bush was consumed.Exodus 3:2 Reign of The Mayberry Machiavellis ends in 2008. - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.
Re: CSFw: Non C/S - OT MLM, MMS, and ........ the Chase
As far as I'm concerned, Vitamin O and Stabilized Oxygen are absolute bullshit terms. These say nothing and mean nothing. If they are being used for selling a product it is advertising hype. Judging from the information provided by Jim Humble, the mechanism of action of these substances, if they contain sodium chlorite, if different than what they claim. The MMS name is equally bullshit, obviously calculated to grab your attention and an attempt to label it as a mineral supplement for FDA and FTC purposes. At least what it contains is specifically stated and they give a plausible method of it's action, and there is some analysis to back it up in the second part of the book. The first part also describes the complete issue in more general terms. The formula, exactly what it is, where to buy ingredients, how to mix it up yourself is specifically given. There is no attempt to mislead the reader about what the product is. The author is apparently getting nothing from promoting it other than his minimal book fee if you buy the second section, and possibly a donation from *one* of the MMS suppliers towards supplying it for use in African malaria abatement. At any rate, the product is not particularly overpriced. The MMS may or may not work, but I personally think that Jim Humble believes in it. If not, he is an absolute genius. You appear to be grinding your favorite con ax. Whether it is appropriate in this case is unknown. Certainly you could read what is presented before engaging in gross speculations... Dan Ode Coyote wrote: It would be a good thing to note the *probable* difference between Vitamin O and MMS. ..and how non-specific the term Stabilized Oxygen can be. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Stabilized Oxygen, EWOT
It is very easy to Google Exercise With Oxygen Therapy. You can see exactly how they describe the action that they attribute to EWOT. You seem very opinionated about it, so it would behoove you to read it as presented by the people advocating it rather than second hand from me. I believe they are careful in describing exactly what is going on. They also seem to feel that it is very effective. There is a short writeup for the The D’Adamo Clinic: http://www.dadamo.com/clinic/ewotpdf.pdf It is advocated by William Campbell Douglass MD, a bit of a contrarian with whom I don't always agree. I'm pretty sure I saw it recommended by one at least of the other popular Alternative MD newsletter writers, but I can't find the reference right now. Dan Simon Jester wrote: There are two known ways to increase tissue/blood oxygenation levels - hyperbaric oxygen therapy, and ozone therapy. Some alternative type MDs have been advocating a method with the fancy name of EWOT (Exercise With Oxygen Therapy) which is merely breathing an increased concentration of oxygen while doing some form of light exercise such as treadmill or stationary bicycle, and indicate that it is very effective in getting extra oxygen into the body. It only works if your blood oxygen levels are already low - ie, below normal... It will not significantly increase blood oxygen content of a normal healthy individual... but I will concede that it may raise them *slightly*... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTRIM YOUR POSTS!
[Begin long-time member RANT] Dang---really tired of receiving Digests filled with needless regurgitations due to LAZY members who won't or can't follow the rules---including the clever OT disclaimers in the Subject line. If it's Off-Topic put it on the OT list to begin with---sheesh! [End of RANT] Carry on, jr -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFw: Non C/S - OT MLM, MMS, and ........ the Chase
There is a principle which is a bar against all information,which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep Man in everlasting ignorance. That Principle is Condemnation before investigation H Spenser. We must investigate MMS ourselves. After all , we are the ones, looking for help. Ed. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: CSRe: Stabilized Oxygen, EWOT
Evening Dan, At 05:10 PM 9/1/2007, you wrote: I believe they are careful in describing exactly what is going on. They also seem to feel that it is very effective. I used it for a time. I was not in good condition at that time. I went from 5 minutes on a treadmill to 45 minutes within about 1 week. The critics of this did not say, . what it does for you, while you are doing it. Heck, many doctors carry an oxygen bottle when they go hunting in the mountains. I have seen the time in CO that I wished I had an oxygen bottle. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMike: Off Topic list is out of order
I can't post things to it- when I send an email, it does not show up, thought you should know. - Kathryn Two things to be certain of, Kathryn: One, you need to subscribe to the OT list, just like you do the main one. Otherwise, you'll not see *any* messages from the OT list. See the web page for instructions: http://www.silverlist.org ... click on the Off Topic List link. Two, you can only post to the OT list if you're subscribed to the main list, and only from the address you're using on the main list. If you want to get the OT list delivered to a different address and post from that address, let me know. I'll have to set that up manually. It's not difficult, but not the default behavior of the way I've got the software jury-rigged. sigh Hope that answers a couple of questions about using the OT list. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTRIM YOUR POSTS!
Yes, please, trim the posts. However, the Off Topic list seems to be not working- I have tried to post to it, and they never came through. On Sep 1, 2007, at 5:17 PM, sarongs...@cox.net wrote: [Begin long-time member RANT] Dang---really tired of receiving Digests filled with needless regurgitations due to LAZY members who won't or can't follow the rules---including the clever OT disclaimers in the Subject line. If it's Off-Topic put it on the OT list to begin with---sheesh! [End of RANT] Carry on, jr -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFw: Non S/C - Tick Removal and Lyme Disease WebSite
I've never read WHY NOT to use vaseline to remove a tick (or a flea). anybody know? thanks, sol DO NOT use petroleum jelly, a hot match, nail polish, or other products. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSanyone from SC?
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CSSalt in CS for Sinus?
My son decided to try colloidal silver for his sinus infections. He'd been having a tiny bit of success with a saline solution which had xylitol in it. He said he felt he should add a bit of salt to the already made CS so it would be compatible. I said not to, but just now I read this and so I wonder: In order to put silver into the sinus cavities a small amount of salt must be added to make an isotonic solution . When just enough salt is added, the salinity of the solution matches the salinity of the body tissue. This prevents the painful sensation that one experiences when water goes up the nose in a swimming pool. I thought we should never put salt into CS unless we're going for the Smurf look. Pat Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
CSDoes Salt/C protocol interfere with CS protocol, cayenne pepper?
Hello, friends, In my battle against a very serious 10 year old chronic Ehrlichiosis (many of you know have read about it), which all indications tell me I am winning or already wan with the help of CS and Cayenne pepper (besides my normal healthy habits related to eating, exercising and avoiding inconvenient activities), I am ready to start the Salt/C protocol, as a previous step before starting another intense cycle in which I consume around 24 ounces of CS along 16 hours every day for around 3-4 weeks, and come back to my maintenance dosage of around 8 ounces per day in 16 hours, which I am normally using simultaneously with a relatively high ammount of fresh Cayenne pepper in my 3 main meals. Even though Lyme disease (another disease also mainly transmitted by Ticks like Ehrlichiosis) is very different (produced by Borrelia burgdorfery, a spiroquette, instead of several different Ehrlichiae, Riicettsiaceae, which cause Ehrlichiosis), the synthomathology is very similar. Since there are good experiences in treating Lyme with Salt/C, including several reported cures, I believe it wil not hurt me trying this. In the opinion of the experienced ones, would there be any counterindication in doing it all at the same time? Thanks in advance for your helpful oinions and suggestions. Regards, Carlos _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMike: Off Topic list is out of order
I can't post things to it- when I send an email, it does not show up, thought you should know. - Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAn interview with Chlorine Dioxide
Great catch, Ode. Once again this makes me wonder about putting chlorine dixoide into the human body. At this point I am completely neutral on the claims about its benefits. For all I really know, one could drink it an perish immediately. It will be very interesting indeed to read what researchers find out about this stuff! On Saturday, Sep 1, 2007, at 22:49 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote: http://www.chemistry.org/portal/a/c/s/1/ feature_ent.html?id=4c5e5bc6f63311d5f4696ed9fe800100 An Interview with Chlorine Dioxide Chlorine dioxide has been prominent in the news recently for its role helping rid Senator Tom Daschle's office and the air ducts in the Hart Senate Office Building of anthrax spores. This week (December 10, 2001) we sat down for an exclusive interview with this previously obscure chemical. KM- When you heard that Senator Daschle's office was going to have to be fumigated, did you think you would get the gig? ClO2- Well, I guess the EPA might have considered a few other oxidizing agents: ozone, hypochlorites (my cousins), or peroxyacetic acid. We're all in the union, but for fumigation (gas-phase) applications, I guess I have the right combination of qualities. I'm a gas at room temperature. As I said, I'm easily generated, and my antimicrobial activity is very rapid. They might have gone with ozone, but she's a bit too reactive, and they thought she might destroy vital equipment or papers. The EPA actually tested me in a sealed trailer before they decided to use me. I am proud to say that I was effective without destroying any of the computers or papers. KM- Any last words? ClO2- Yes, I want to emphasize that I am a chemical, and I am proud of it! As a matter of fact, I am a moderately toxic chemical. As such, I sometimes suffer from the misconceptions and prejudices that people have of me. I feel privileged to have the opportunity to serve so publicly in the service of humanity. Thank you. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release Date: 8/31/2007 5:21 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMike: Off Topic list is out of order
I have a similar problem Mike when posting to off topic list.. I do receive some of the postings but do not see my own showing up (the posts send via my main email addy). Hanneke At 12:07 PM 2/09/2007, you wrote: I can't post things to it- when I send an email, it does not show up, thought you should know. - Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.2/983 - Release Date: 1/09/2007 4:20 PM
CSTopic list is out of order ( OK for some people )
I have a similar problem Mike when posting to off topic list.. I do receive some of the postings but do not see my own showing up (the posts send via my main email addy). Hanneke That happens from time to time with many members. Mine is working ok at the moment. Just got two replies to my test message. Altogether 3 messages with the subject List test so you can tell if you are getting the messages properly. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
