Re: CSCoonhound Paralysis

2008-08-15 Thread Ode Coyote



 I always thought it was a pinched nerve as I've never heard of this 
except with ticks in ears.


More to it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tick_paralysis

 Apparently a neuro-toxin and there are many many many blood vessels very 
close to the surface in ears.


Ode



At 10:46 AM 8/14/2008 -0400, you wrote:

Ode Coyote wrote:

Tick paralysis in dogs, I speak from experience and NOT finding the
tick culprit for a week after searching for it every day as the dog daily
loses more control, hind legs first.
 Then, 20 minutes to an hour later,
old dog moves good as puppy.

What causes this?  Is the tick on an acupuncture point or something?

Marshall


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Re: CSSilver rods

2008-08-15 Thread Ode Coyote



  Then, neither electrode will get very black.


If the generator has a conductivity triggered auto off and runs a while, 
you *are* making CS.
The strength will be the difference between the conductivity of the water 
at the start and the auto offs setting.


If you are using the setup I think you are, that setting is around 20 uS 
conductivity, the LED on top is in series with the electrodes showing 
current flow through-the-water, so, if it's lit, there's no way you aren't 
making CS.


 You can say what you have and what you're doing, only vendors have rules 
to follow.


 Why do you think you aren't making strong CS???



Ode

At 04:19 PM 8/14/2008 +0100, you wrote:

I use alternate current, and reverse polarity.  dee

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CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2008 #480

2008-08-15 Thread djaja

Hi ALL,

I have some questions ..

Do  you know about NutraSilver?

Who is using this ,I like to know more about this ailver and more 
testimonials...can we make it at home...or is this to difficult?


Trudy





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Re: forgot kind of machine CSSilver rods

2008-08-15 Thread Ode Coyote



  Unfortunately, the specs don't say diddley about the difference between 
the AC and DC units.

 Useless Info about the power supply, but.
Like, what does the generator put out ???

No info.

There's no reason that the power supply should make any difference or that 
the generator couldn't do both types of functions.


Ode


At 12:56 AM 8/15/2008 -0400, you wrote:

Hi Carrole,

The manufacturer makes two unit. An AC and a DC model. They are both 12 
volts which is kind of a low starting voltage in my opinion. He recommends 
running it for 3 to 8 hours. It's a pretty straight forward looking 
apparatus. You could measure the voltage across the electrodes with a volt 
meter if you are concerned. Otherwise, shining a laser through it, the 
salt test or tasting it will give you some kind of indication how you are 
doing. Below is the web site of the manufacturer.


http://www.colloidalsilvermaster.com/http://www.colloidalsilvermaster.com/

Hope this helps,
Andy

In a message dated 8/14/2008 10:44:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
captain_sun...@yahoo.ca writes:

Hi again
I forgot to tell you the kind of machine
It is a collodial master

--- On Wed, 8/13/08, ascottsil...@aol.com ascottsil...@aol.com wrote:
From: ascottsil...@aol.com ascottsil...@aol.com
Subject: Re: CSSilver rods
To: captain_sun...@yahoo.ca, silver-list@eskimo.com
Received: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 10:56 PM

Hi Carrole,

If everything is the same but the generator isn't working as well as it 
used to I would suggest you clean the silver rods with scotch brite and if 
your generator uses batteries, change them. Typically to get stronger CS 
you would run the generator longer. What kind of generator are you using?


Andy

In a message dated 8/13/2008 1:54:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
captain_sun...@yahoo.ca writes:

Hi
I tried the light through the container and got a faint beam
I am wondering if my silver rods are not putting out much silver
Could this be possible?
I want to know what might be wrong with not getting as much CS
in my containers
In the beginning I seen particules and when I wiped the silver rods off 
there was black stuff

Now I get hardly nothing
I would like stronger CS
Could anyone help me figure out what is going on with my CS and be able to 
make stronger CS?

Thanks Carrole








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Re: CSnutra silver?

2008-08-15 Thread Clayton Family
I had not heard of it before, but they have a great website, with lots 
ofinteresting info. I called them up and talked to a man who was very 
helpful, in a way, what with trade secrets to protect and all. He said 
it is the next generation colloidial silver, and it is 3600 ppm, not 
salts, or ions. I looked on the lab reports site and could not find 
NutraSilver.  But if it is not salts or ions, it would have to be 
protein, wouldn't it?


I would not take this product, since I do not know what it is made 
from, I would rather make my own.


kathryn

On Aug 15, 2008, at 4:01 AM, dj...@home.nl wrote:


Hi ALL,

I have some questions ..

Do  you know about NutraSilver?

Who is using this ,I like to know more about this ailver and more 
testimonials...can we make it at home...or is this to difficult?


Trudy





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RE: forgot kind of machine CSSilver rods

2008-08-15 Thread Norton, Steve
Carrole,

 I asked the manufacturer some questions. Here are the questions with
the manufacturers answers:

 Do both your units, CS Master 777 AC and CS Master Universal DC, 
  have the bi-directional current pattern functionality?
 * yes
 
  Is there any model that you produced that did not utilize
 bi-directional current pattern
  functionality?
 * no
 
  Is the green Processing light on the units an LED in series with the
 output voltage?
 * no

Would the unit show a green light if there is a break in a wire 
 between the unit and the electrodes?
* yes

 Does the  bi-directional current pattern prevent the buildup of black 
 oxide on the negative electrode?
* yes

It is interesting that you commented that you used to get a heavy
buildup of black on one of the electrodes but now you do not. According
to the manufacturer you should never have had black on a rod because of
their bi-directional current pattern. So, we either have the wrong
supplier or your unit was defective when you received it. Some
possibilities:

1) Your unit has started functioning correctly and that is why you no
longer have blacking of a rod.
2) The original defect in the unit has progressed to complete failure. 
3) You could have a break in one of the external wires.

I would first check that there is no open in either of the external
wires from the unit to the rods.
 - Steve

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 5:18 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: forgot kind of machine CSSilver rods



   Unfortunately, the specs don't say diddley about the difference
between the AC and DC units.
  Useless Info about the power supply, but.
Like, what does the generator put out ???

No info.

There's no reason that the power supply should make any difference or
that the generator couldn't do both types of functions.

Ode


At 12:56 AM 8/15/2008 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Carrole,

The manufacturer makes two unit. An AC and a DC model. They are both 12

volts which is kind of a low starting voltage in my opinion. He 
recommends running it for 3 to 8 hours. It's a pretty straight forward 
looking apparatus. You could measure the voltage across the electrodes 
with a volt meter if you are concerned. Otherwise, shining a laser 
through it, the salt test or tasting it will give you some kind of 
indication how you are doing. Below is the web site of the
manufacturer.

http://www.colloidalsilvermaster.com/http://www.colloidalsilvermaster
.com/

Hope this helps,
Andy



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Re: CSSilver rods

2008-08-15 Thread Dee
I don't think this was me Ode!  Dee

---Original Message---
 
From: Ode Coyote
Date: 15/08/2008 13:19:28
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSilver rods
 
 
   Then, neither electrode will get very black.
 
 
If the generator
  has a conductivity triggered auto off and runs a while,
you *are* making CS.
The strength will be the difference between the conductivity of the water
at the start and the auto offs setting.
 
If you are using the setup I think
  you are, that setting is around 20 uS
conductivity, the LED on top is in
  series with the electrodes showing
current flow through-the-water, so, if
  it's lit, there's no way you aren't
making CS.
 
  You can say what you
  have and what you're doing, only vendors have rules
to follow.
 
  Why do
  you think you aren't making strong CS???
 
 
 
Ode
 faint_grain.jpg

Re: CSnutra silver?

2008-08-15 Thread Malcolm
Hi Kathryn, I looked at NutraSilver's website; down at the very bottom
it says:  ...These statements have not been ... by the FDA ... which,
the usual standard disclaimers aside, makes me wonder why all the hype
about FDA approved labs, NOT - you'll notice, - product.  My general
purpose BS detector overheats at this sort of obfuscationg.

Work in Russia (oops, USSR then) examined finely divided silver in
suspensions, and I believe the conclusion was that it wasn't quite so
wonderful.  OTOH many water filters have used silver plated onto-into
charcoal with good antibacterial effects.  It would seem there's both a
contact effect with 'molecular' silver and possibly another effect with
the ionic solution.  Silverlon and other silver containing wound
dressings purportedly work by ion transport into the affected tissues.
Much of Dr. Becker's work was with ionic silver produced
electrolytically in-situ, particularly (eewww!) in bone and deep tissue
regeneration.

Perhaps Ode has some comment on his gel, whether it's primarily an ionic
or a covalent sort of goop; I've read it works, anyhow.

Take care,  M.

On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 09:04 -0500, Clayton Family wrote:
 I had not heard of it before, but they have a great website, with lots 
 ofinteresting info. I called them up and talked to a man who was very 
 helpful, in a way, what with trade secrets to protect and all. He said 
 it is the next generation colloidial silver, and it is 3600 ppm, not 
 salts, or ions. I looked on the lab reports site and could not find 
 NutraSilver.  But if it is not salts or ions, it would have to be 
 protein, wouldn't it?
 
 I would not take this product, since I do not know what it is made 
 from, I would rather make my own.
 
 kathryn
 
 On Aug 15, 2008, at 4:01 AM, dj...@home.nl wrote:
 
  Hi ALL,
 
  I have some questions ..
 
  Do  you know about NutraSilver?
 
  Who is using this ,I like to know more about this ailver and more 
  testimonials...can we make it at home...or is this to difficult?
 
  Trudy
 
 
 
 
 
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CSUnidentified subject!

2008-08-15 Thread Carrole Orme
 Why do you think you aren't making strong CS???
Ode
Hi Ode
I think I am making CS but not very strong It is very clear absolutely no 
fragments I use to get some
  It use to taste a little more metal now nothing
The beam is very faint and when I had checked after the 1st few months it was 
quite strong
also about the blackining of the rod
I said or meant some blackening it was not a lot but more then now 
I have never seen what anyone elses looks like 
I would say it was not heavy 
You would just see some on the rod
 I really don't know if it was one or both rods I never payed attention to that
Thanks
Carrole


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RE: CSUnidentified subject!

2008-08-15 Thread Norton, Steve
Carrole,
 I asked another question of the manufacturer :

No problem answering your questions.

You are correct about the time. The unit has a built in
TDS type sensing circuit but no read out. If the machine runs for 3 hr
and shuts off you will have CS. What ppm depends upon the initial
setting and the purity of the water. If you have a TDS meter measure the
water before and after the run...subtract the initial reading from the
final and multiply by
1.2 which will give you approx ppm of silver. 

Paul

On 8/15/2008 12:09:25 PM, Norton, Steve
(stephen.nor...@ngc.com) wrote:
 Paul,
 Sorry to bother you again. This should be the last
time.
 
 I am not interested in learning any proprietary
information. The unit 
 in question is the  CS Master AC. Your product
information says that 
 the completion of a CS generation is not determined by
time. My guess 
 is that you are making some sort of measurement
similar to a TDS test.

 Question, is it possible for the unit to terminate
generation after 3 
 hours and CS not to have been made?
 
 Is there any chance you have contaminated DS? This could explain the
low level of CS if it is contaniminated but not bad enough to trip the
water quality monitor in your generator. It could also be that the unit
isn't operating correctly. I think your observations of a faint beam
with the laser pointer indicates low ppm CS. Is there anything you are
doing during the process, such as cleaning the electrodes that could
cause contanimation? You could also try running the same batch twice if
the generator will let you.  With a digital multimeter you could check
your setup for voltage and current:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92020

Or get a TDS meter:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170250480664ssPageNa
me=MERC_VIC_RSCC_Pr12_PcY_BIN_Stores_ITrefitem=170239081511itemcount=1
2refwidgetloc=closed_view_itemusedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCatrefwidgetty
pe=cross_promot_widget_trksid=p284.m183_trkparms=algo%3DDR%26its%3DS%2
52BI%252BSS%26itu%3DISS%252BUCI%252BSI%26otn%3D12

It might be worth the expense. 
 - Steve



From: Carrole Orme [mailto:captain_sun...@yahoo.ca] 
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 12:22 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSUnidentified subject!


 Why do you think you aren't making strong CS???
Ode
Hi Ode
I think I am making CS but not very strong It is very clear absolutely
no fragments I use to get some
  It use to taste a little more metal now nothing
The beam is very faint and when I had checked after the 1st few months
it was quite strong
also about the blackining of the rod
I said or meant some blackening it was not a lot but more then now 
I have never seen what anyone elses looks like 
I would say it was not heavy 
You would just see some on the rod
 I really don't know if it was one or both rods I never payed attention
to that
Thanks
Carrole






RE: CSUnidentified subject!

2008-08-15 Thread Norton, Steve
I meant DW not DS below.



 
 Is there any chance you have contaminated DS? This could explain the
low level of CS if it is contaniminated but not bad enough to trip the
water quality monitor in your generator. It could also be that the unit
isn't operating correctly. I think your observations of a faint beam
with the laser pointer indicates low ppm CS. Is there anything you are
doing during the process, such as cleaning the electrodes that could
cause contanimation? You could also try running the same batch twice if
the generator will let you.  With a digital multimeter you could check
your setup for voltage and current:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92020
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92020


Or get a TDS meter: 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170250480664ssPageNa
me=MERC_VIC_RSCC_Pr12_PcY_BIN_Stores_ITrefitem=170239081511itemcount=1
2refwidgetloc=closed_view_itemusedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCatrefwidgetty
pe=cross_promot_widget_trksid=p284.m183_trkparms=algo%3DDR%26its%3DS%2
52BI%252BSS%26itu%3DISS%252BUCI%252BSI%26otn%3D12
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170250480664ssPageN
ame=MERC_VIC_RSCC_Pr12_PcY_BIN_Stores_ITrefitem=170239081511itemcount=
12refwidgetloc=closed_view_itemusedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCatrefwidgett
ype=cross_promot_widget_trksid=p284.m183_trkparms=algo%3DDR%26its%3DS%
252BI%252BSS%26itu%3DISS%252BUCI%252BSI%26otn%3D12 

It might be worth the expense. 
 - Steve 



Re: CSUnidentified subject!

2008-08-15 Thread Faith Gagne
RE: CSUnidentified subject!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Norton, Steve 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 4:44 PM
  Subject: RE: CSUnidentified subject!


  I meant DW not DS below.



--
   
   Is there any chance you have contaminated DS? This could explain the low 
level of CS if it is contaniminated but not bad enough to trip the water 
quality monitor in your generator. It could also be that the unit isn't 
operating correctly. I think your observations of a faint beam with the laser 
pointer indicates low ppm CS. Is there anything you are doing during the 
process, such as cleaning the electrodes that could cause contanimation? You 
could also try running the same batch twice if the generator will let you.  
With a digital multimeter you could check your setup for voltage and current:
  http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92020 

  Or get a TDS meter: 

  
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170250480664ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RSCC_Pr12_PcY_BIN_Stores_ITrefitem=170239081511itemcount=12refwidgetloc=closed_view_itemusedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCatrefwidgettype=cross_promot_widget_trksid=p284.m183_trkparms=algo%3DDR%26its%3DS%252BI%252BSS%26itu%3DISS%252BUCI%252BSI%26otn%3D12

  It might be worth the expense. 
   - Steve 

  ..



  Hi Steve.  How does one use a TDS meter?  Thanks.  Faith G.










RE: CSUnidentified subject!

2008-08-15 Thread Norton, Steve

 Faith,
It is very easy. See:
 
http://www.ozelink.com/tds_meters/how_to_use.htm
 
However TDS meters don't measure colloidal silver directly and so you
need to multiply the reading on the TDS meter by a constant to get an
estimate of the colloidal silver ppm. I have seen it recommended that
you multiply the TDS reading by 1.2 (Colloidal Silver Master
manufacturer) up to multiply by 2.0 (colloidalsilver.com) to get the
colloidal silver ppm. I have been using 2.0 but may change closer to the
1.2 to be conservative. I am not sure how importance absolute accuracy
is if you are primarily looking for consistency and to verify setup
operation.
 
Question for the group: What multiplier do you use and how accurate do
you think your measurements are???

Just make sure the TDS meter probe is not contaminated when measuring,
make sure there are no bubbles on the probe tips and do not try to
measure moving water (keep TDS meter still in water).
 - Steve
 
 
 ..

 

Hi Steve.  How does one use a TDS meter?  Thanks.  Faith G.

 

 

 


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Re: CSUnidentified subject!

2008-08-15 Thread Faith Gagne


However TDS meters don't measure colloidal silver directly and so you
need to multiply the reading on the TDS meter by a constant to get an
estimate of the colloidal silver ppm.







Steve, what measures ppm?  I know it's been mentioned on this site but I was 
not ready to really pay attention.  thanks.  Faith G.






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CS( Unidentified subject) Why not identify it. ppm meters.

2008-08-15 Thread Wayne Fugitt

Evening Faith,

At 06:01 PM 8/15/2008, you wrote:

Steve, what measures ppm?  I know it's been mentioned on this site 
but I was not ready to really pay attention.  thanks.  Faith G.


 You asked a loaded question...

 I have stated many times,  NO true PPM meter exists.  Ask the 
instrument manufacturers.


 One chemists stated there was one, but he was talking about 
laboratory instruments costing thousands of dollars.  Not a simple 
meter that most can afford, or want to afford.

Likely it is several meters masquerading as ONE !

 Even the meters that READ PPM have internal calculations that guess at ppm.

They are in fact EC meters.   Nothing more or nothing less.

Every EC meter I have seen or used had to be calibrated.

Either buy the calibrating solution or make it.

I have never seen a single message about calibrating the TDS meters.

Are they Self Calibrating ?   I doubt it.

I always use a laboratory grade EC meter to check my non laboratory EC meters.
Why not ?

And of course I have computer EC sensors that cost several hundred dollars.
Yes, they have to be calibrated, and scale factors calculated. (pH 
sensors also )


Typically, I believe only calculated ppm are close.  Even then, 
some  other things may enter into the picture.


ppm usually means every thing in the solution, not just one or a specific item.

Yes, some instruments exist to measure a single item.  Not that 
common or cheap.


I have written programs that does the ppm calculation for most of my 
purposes, even one that

does backwards ppm calculations.

Surely someone has written a program to do the Faraday Calculation.
I could do it and many others could also.

That should make most CS makers happy.


Wayne







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Re: CS( Unidentified subject) Why not identify it. ppm meters.

2008-08-15 Thread Faith Gagne


- Original Message - 
From: Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:27 PM
Subject: CS( Unidentified subject) Why not identify it. ppm meters.



Evening Faith,

At 06:01 PM 8/15/2008, you wrote:

Steve, what measures ppm?  I know it's been mentioned on this site 
but I was not ready to really pay attention.  thanks.  Faith G.


 You asked a loaded question...

 I have stated many times,  NO true PPM meter exists.  Ask the 
instrument manufacturers.

.



Thanks Wayne.  Faith G.


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Re: CS( Unidentified subject) Why not identify it. ppm meters.

2008-08-15 Thread Norton, Steve
I was wondering if you could even calibrate a TDS meter to accurately measure 
the colloidal silver ppm. Won't each CS generate some ionic silver that is 
unpredictable that will affect the measurements. I assume that a rough but fast 
estimate is the best you will ever do within a reasonable cost. And isn't tjat 
good enough? Esp when you just take a swig now and then?
 - Steve

- Original Message -
From: Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri Aug 15 19:27:41 2008
Subject: CS( Unidentified subject) Why not identify it. ppm meters.

Evening Faith,

At 06:01 PM 8/15/2008, you wrote:

Steve, what measures ppm?  I know it's been mentioned on this site 
but I was not ready to really pay attention.  thanks.  Faith G.

  You asked a loaded question...

  I have stated many times,  NO true PPM meter exists.  Ask the 
instrument manufacturers.

  One chemists stated there was one, but he was talking about 
laboratory instruments costing thousands of dollars.  Not a simple 
meter that most can afford, or want to afford.
Likely it is several meters masquerading as ONE !

  Even the meters that READ PPM have internal calculations that guess at ppm.

They are in fact EC meters.   Nothing more or nothing less.

Every EC meter I have seen or used had to be calibrated.

Either buy the calibrating solution or make it.

I have never seen a single message about calibrating the TDS meters.

Are they Self Calibrating ?   I doubt it.

I always use a laboratory grade EC meter to check my non laboratory EC meters.
Why not ?

And of course I have computer EC sensors that cost several hundred dollars.
Yes, they have to be calibrated, and scale factors calculated. (pH 
sensors also )

Typically, I believe only calculated ppm are close.  Even then, 
some  other things may enter into the picture.

ppm usually means every thing in the solution, not just one or a specific item.

Yes, some instruments exist to measure a single item.  Not that 
common or cheap.

I have written programs that does the ppm calculation for most of my 
purposes, even one that
does backwards ppm calculations.

Surely someone has written a program to do the Faraday Calculation.
I could do it and many others could also.

That should make most CS makers happy.


Wayne







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CSGout

2008-08-15 Thread WSims21675
Hi There:
 
  I would like for someone to tell me how to ease Gout. Will the SW  take 
care of the problem? If so what are the dosages? My aunt has Gout bad.  Please 
give me some idea on how to help her. Thanks in advance. 
 
Willie



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CSMMS

2008-08-15 Thread WSims21675
Could you tell me what is MMS? If it will cure AIDS, I would like to know  
what it is  and how do you obtain it. Thanks in advance. 
 
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Re: CSGout

2008-08-15 Thread Smitty
 Hi There:
   I would like for someone to tell me how to ease Gout.
 Willie

Here's some info on gout=

http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/goute.html

http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/gout.html

Smitty


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Re: CSMMS

2008-08-15 Thread Smitty
 Could you tell me what is MMS?
If it will cure AIDS, I would like to know
 what it is  and how do you obtain it.
Thanks in advance.
 Willie

Here's some info on MMS=
http://MmsMiracle.com/about/

You can download an ebook by Jim Humble
that will tell you all you want to know.
http://miraclemineral.org/

Smitty


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