Re: CSpre mixing CS and DMSO Mix skin Tags ???

[Tad Winiecki]

zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 12/20/2009 10:59:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
devorah...@yahoo.com writes:


Would Brooks mix be good for skin tags as well?
thanks much debbie



Hi Debbie, I'm not sure as I have never used it fro that. I do know 
the subject of skin tags  has been discussed before  someone had 
good luck with something.-- Hopefully that person will see this  
comment---Lois
Black Salve didn't seem to have any impact on skin tags, but cinnamon 
essential oil did.  I had to apply it cautiously, trying to get it only 
on the skin tag.  It also worked on one flat mole.  It is very strong 
and causes them to redden and swell up. 

After a few days up to a week of applying it a couple of times a day, 
eventually the growths turned black and fell off.   The tricky part is 
it also causes reddening and itching of skin.  I was alternating it with 
some aloe vera and other soothing stuff I can't remember now.   Putting 
a salve on the skin around the growth might keep it from attacking the 
skin.   It did work on a bunch of skin tags, though.  The skin did not 
sustain permanent damage or any scarring.


Nancy


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Re: CSabout pure water

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks for the info sol, and you have saved me an added expense by telling me 
that.  Maybe, (because I *am* anal about such things,) when I come into some 
money (ha-ha!)  I will buy a COM-100.  dee

On 10 Jan 2010, at 21:38, sol wrote:

 Dee,
 If your CS is clear and stable, you are doing great and don't really need to 
 go to the expense of a different meter
 


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CSVery interesting, and true

[Annie B Smythe]

I've observed this on every group I've ever been in online and 
elsewhere. This is one of the few lists I've seen where people really 
freely discuss and disagree. I really appreciate this group:) Even when 
we don't agree:D Kudos to all of you for being independent thinkers:)



This is a truly amazing thing to watch. And it's short, only five 
minutes or so. Man they'd have had problems with their experiment if it 
was me. OMG, I'd have said what I thought and stood by it come hell or 
high water. Maybe that's the reason I've never been chosen for jury 
duty, LOL. I've always been the non conformist, sigh.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYIh4MkcfJAfeature=player_embedded

Perhaps this is why so many people won't try anything outside of 
traditional medicine, including CS. Truly sheeple. Follow the herd, 
don't stand out. Crowd mentality. Makes me want to gack really. It gives 
me the willies.



Annie

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CSstrange

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I just sent a message to the list and it came back!  dee


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Re: CSVery interesting, and true

[Golden Aldi]

Thanks for sharing! This is my second attempt to reply...

Aldona

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.comwrote:

 I've observed this on every group I've ever been in online and elsewhere.
 This is one of the few lists I've seen where people really freely discuss
 and disagree. I really appreciate this group:) Even when we don't agree:D
 Kudos to all of you for being independent thinkers:)


 This is a truly amazing thing to watch. And it's short, only five minutes
 or so. Man they'd have had problems with their experiment if it was me. OMG,
 I'd have said what I thought and stood by it come hell or high water. Maybe
 that's the reason I've never been chosen for jury duty, LOL. I've always
 been the non conformist, sigh.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYIh4MkcfJAfeature=player_embedded

 Perhaps this is why so many people won't try anything outside of
 traditional medicine, including CS. Truly sheeple. Follow the herd, don't
 stand out. Crowd mentality. Makes me want to gack really. It gives me the
 willies.


 Annie

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Re: CSstrange

[Golden Aldi]

same thing just happened to me as well!!

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote:

 I just sent a message to the list and it came back!  dee


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Fwd: CSVery interesting, and true

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
 Date: 11 January 2010 12:39:55 GMT
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSVery interesting, and true
 
 I fear most people are like this Annie.  I too am a non conformist which 
 started way back as a child.  We are the thinkers outside of the box and are 
 actually the sort of people that bring about change for the better (usually)  
 Other people try to make you feel a freak of sorts and I am definitely 
 regarded as such with things like silver and my distrust of the medical 
 system etc., I have managed to persuade quite a few people to use silver, but 
 it has been an uphill struggle, even with some of the family.  dee
 
 On 11 Jan 2010, at 12:15, Annie B Smythe wrote:
 
 I've observed this on every group I've ever been in online and elsewhere. 
 This is one of the few lists I've seen where people really freely discuss 
 and disagree. I really appreciate this group:) Even when we don't agree:D 
 Kudos to all of you for being independent thinkers:)
 
 
 This is a truly amazing thing to watch. And it's short, only five minutes or 
 so. Man they'd have had problems with their experiment if it was me. OMG, 
 I'd have said what I thought and stood by it come hell or high water. Maybe 
 that's the reason I've never been chosen for jury duty, LOL. I've always 
 been the non conformist, sigh.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYIh4MkcfJAfeature=player_embedded
 
 Perhaps this is why so many people won't try anything outside of traditional 
 medicine, including CS. Truly sheeple. Follow the herd, don't stand out. 
 Crowd mentality. Makes me want to gack really. It gives me the willies.
 
 
 Annie
 
 

Re: CSstrange

[Annie B Smythe]

It's been going on since last night.

Annie
If we could sell our experiences for what they 
cost us, we'd all be millionaires.

Abigail Van Buren

Golden Aldi wrote:

same thing just happened to me as well!!

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org 
mailto:d...@deetroy.org wrote:


I just sent a message to the list and it came back!  dee


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CSbronchitis ?

[kathy . sheehy]

Hello list,

My 12 y/o son has had a moist deepcough for the past 10 days after a virus. The cold seems to excaerbate it. He has never had anything like this before, no asthma etc. although he does have allergies. Mucous is mostly yellow/white, but not impressive.

Last night I put a simple $20 steamhumidifier in his room and added about 8 oz of colloidal silver to the water. He seems much better this morning. I was just wondering if this is safeto add colloidal silver to tap water in a steamer?
Thanks so much,

Kathy




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Re: CSbronchitis ?

[John E. Stevens]

Kathy:

I think it's much better to distill the water you use in your humidifier and
then add your colloidal silver water.  Also, an ounce of colloidal silver
water given directly to your son 4 - 4 times during the day should help.
Gargle for three minutes and swallow.   Also, spraying colloidal silver
water directly into the nose will kill off any infection in the sinus
cavities.

John

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:40 AM, kathy.she...@verizon.net wrote:




  Hello list,

 My 12 y/o son has had a moist deep cough for the past 10 days after a
 virus. The cold seems to excaerbate it.  He has never had anything like this
 before, no asthma etc. although he does have allergies.  Mucous is mostly
 yellow/white, but not impressive.

 Last night I put a simple $20 steam humidifier in his room and added about
 8 oz of colloidal silver to the water.  He seems much better this morning.
 I was just wondering if this is safeto add colloidal silver to tap water
 in a steamer?
 Thanks so much,

 Kathy



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Re: CSVery interesting, and true

[John E. Stevens]

This boy doesn't trust his own mind.  Kind of young to stand-up and be
counted.

John

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.comwrote:

 I've observed this on every group I've ever been in online and elsewhere.
 This is one of the few lists I've seen where people really freely discuss
 and disagree. I really appreciate this group:) Even when we don't agree:D
 Kudos to all of you for being independent thinkers:)


 This is a truly amazing thing to watch. And it's short, only five minutes
 or so. Man they'd have had problems with their experiment if it was me. OMG,
 I'd have said what I thought and stood by it come hell or high water. Maybe
 that's the reason I've never been chosen for jury duty, LOL. I've always
 been the non conformist, sigh.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYIh4MkcfJAfeature=player_embedded

 Perhaps this is why so many people won't try anything outside of
 traditional medicine, including CS. Truly sheeple. Follow the herd, don't
 stand out. Crowd mentality. Makes me want to gack really. It gives me the
 willies.



 Annie

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 millionaires. Abigail Van Buren


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Fwd: CSbronchitis ?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
 Date: 11 January 2010 16:13:11 GMT
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSbronchitis ?
 
 If it is just a steam humidifier then the silver will not be in the vapour, 
 only the water.  The steam will leave the silver behind.  You need to get a 
 nebuliser such as the Medisana to be able to have the silver in the vapour.  
 I get chest infections and my husband has just had quite a severe one, where 
 he was wheezing, but all is well after three or four days of nebulising with 
 CS.  dee
 
 
 On 11 Jan 2010, at 13:40, kathy.she...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 
 
 
 Hello list,
  
 My 12 y/o son has had a moist deep cough for the past 10 days after a virus. 
 The cold seems to excaerbate it.  He has never had anything like this 
 before, no asthma etc. although he does have allergies.  Mucous is mostly 
 yellow/white, but not impressive. 
  
 Last night I put a simple $20 steam humidifier in his room and added about 8 
 oz of colloidal silver to the water.  He seems much better this morning.  I 
 was just wondering if this is safeto add colloidal silver to tap water 
 in a steamer?
 Thanks so much,
  
 Kathy
  
  
 

Re: CSAluminum in your diet

[Marshall Dudley]

Huh? I never said it was ok to cook in either. You need to read the 
emails more closely.


Marshall

John E. Stevens wrote:

Marshall:

Teflon is a no-no for cooking, period.  So is cooking in aluminum.  
Where did you ever get the idea that it's okay to cook in this 
garbage?  Yes to stainless and stove top glass, but Teflon and 
aluminum - who are you trying to infect?


John  

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:53 AM, MaryAnn Helland 
marmar...@bellsouth.net mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:


Well -- there ya go!!  Thanks Marshall.
MA


*From:* Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thu, January 7, 2010 10:30:41 AM
*Subject:* CSAluminum in your diet

http://www.hints-n-tips.com/aluminum.htm

The following additives contain aluminium compounds: E173, E520,
E521, E523 E541, E545, E554, E555 E556, E559.  Antacids quite
often contain aluminum trisilicate as does buffered aspirin. Foods
containing aluminium based additives include dry cake mixes,
pastries and croissants made from frozen dough, processed cheeses,
some donuts and waffles, check muffins for E541 (sodium aluminum
phosphate), and food coloring.  The list of substances containing
aluminium salts is quite depressing, it even includes 
*toothpaste*!, especially tooth whitening products.


The use of aluminum in drinking water is starting to be looked at
in Canada and Australia, most utilities in Europe and the United
States do exceed the recommended level of 100 microgrammes per
litre, some by as much as *sixty times!*  Another obvious and
easily avoided source is aluminum cooking pots and pans, this can
be quite easily remedied by using enamelled, stainless steel and
cast iron pots. Cooking in earthenware and glass containers is
another option. There is no need to throw out all of your
aluminium pots, it is OK to fry food in aluminium pans and intact
Teflon, non-stick coatings will effectively prevent any contamination.

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts22.html

  * Virtually all food, water, air, and soil contain some aluminum.
  * The average adult in the U.S. eats about 7-9 mg aluminum per day
in their food.
  * Breathing higher levels of aluminum dust in workplace air.
  * Living in areas where the air is dusty, where aluminum is mined or
processed into aluminum metal, near certain hazardous waste sites,
or where aluminum is naturally high.
  * Eating substances containing high levels of aluminum (such as
antacids) especially when eating or drinking citrus products at
the same time.
  * Children and adults may be exposed to small amounts of aluminum
from vaccinations.
  * Very little enters your body from aluminum cooking utensils.

http://www.holisticvetpetcare.com/pdf/Heavy_Metal_Posion_Hair_Analysis-4.pdf

This site has some good information on it and lists foods that
contain significant aluminum. Rice, wheat, beef, chicken, pork,
radishes and potatoes all contain significant amounts of aluminum,
and carrot leaf contains large amounts. Unfortunately I am unable
to copy from the page. Apparently if you want an aluminum free
diet about all you can consume is distilled water, and pure
chemicals such as salt, cream of tarter, citric acid and sodium
bicarbonate.

Marshall


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Re: CSGelatin

[mborgert]

great article
thanks
Mary
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Re: CSmoon on fingernails?

[Marshall Dudley]

Kathy Tankersley wrote:
Someone on this list recently commented on how his fingernails got a 
'moon' on them when he increased his CS consumption.  Can someone on 
this list tell me what this looks like?  Thanks  Kathy

http://silver-lightning.com/fingernails.JPG

Marshall


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Re: CScapillaries in eyes breaking

[Marshall Dudley]

While I have not had problems with herpes zostter, I did cure my herpes 
simplex I with colloidal silver.  Had it for over 50 years, but have not 
had an outbreak in the last 10 years since taking colloidal silver.


Marshall

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

I must say I have had great success with it stopping the herpes zoster virus 
i.e. shingles.  I used to get what I call 'stabbing pains' intermittently which 
actually felt like someone sticking hot wires in me.  I had to take ibuprofen 
to stop it because I couldn't stand it.  It was the one thing I went to the 
doctors about and he said it was the herpes virus (shingles) which I get 
periodically when I am stressed.  While I take chlorella it stays away; as soon 
as I stop it is back.  I have also found it balances my blood sugars which were 
a bit high.  Just for your info it is used as a chelation medium too.  dee

On 9 Jan 2010, at 16:50, Annie B Smythe wrote:

  

But Chlorella in sufficient amounts to correct deficiency would be 
prohibitively expensive. Even in bulk. I shopped broken cell chlorella for 
while, which is supposed to be the best form to use, and when I saw what they 
wanted for it. Uh Uh, not happening.

Annie
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cost us, we'd all be millionaires.
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Re: CSGatorade and colloidal silver

[Marshall Dudley]

It would appear so, or mix with orange juice.  But I recall a study done 
some years ago where they found that sodium citrate crosses the blood 
brain barrier. That could be good if you have a brain infection, or bad 
if silver in the brain causes problems.  Unfortunately there is 
insufficient research on this aspect.


Marshall

Renee wrote:
If it's just the citric acid that frees the CS, couldn't a person just 
use some citric acid in a drink?  Kind of tastes like lemonaid.
 
Samala,

Renee
 
/---Original Message---/
 
 
 
Does anyone know of an equivalent of Gatorade in the UK?  dee
 







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Re: CSGatorade and colloidal silver

[Marshall Dudley]

Ringers has no citric acid in it.  When you have silver citrate you 
don't need assistance in getting it absorbed, silver citrate is quite 
soluble and is absorbed almost instantaneously anyway.  The additional 
salts may make a slight difference but the 10:1 or so increase in rate 
would almost certainly be due to the silver citrate being totally 
dissolved, but the silver chloride being only around 5 to 10% dissolved.


Marshall

sol wrote:

At 02:52 AM 1/10/2010, you wrote:


  Sounds reasonable, but it's the balance of various salts and sugars 
that makes Gatoraid absorb so fast.
Ringers Solution comes to mind..used to re-hydrate people that have 
Dysentery.


Ode




Lactated ringer's solution has no sugars of any kind. That is, the one 
for IV or subcutaneous use does not. I checked the label (I buy the 
stuff by the case). But maybe there is an oral version, but googling I 
did not find one.

sol

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Re: CSGatorade and colloidal silver

[Marshall Dudley]

Maybe.  But the table is for hydrogen, not magnesium, that is citric 
acid, not magnesium citrate.  So you have to actually compare the 
reduction potential of magnesium citrate to that of silver chloride 
instead of citric acid to silver chloride.  It really has to do with how 
much magnesium likes citrate vs chlorine compared with silver and 
citrate vs chlorine.  I don't have those numbers, so really can't say.


Marshall

Norm wrote:

hi Marshall
I use Magnesium Citrate as a supplement ...would taking them together make 
EIS more absorbable

Norm


- Original Message - 
From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: CSGatorade and colloidal silver


  

At 08:56 PM 1/8/2010, you wrote:


hey people you can do the same thing mixing cs with coconut water which is
  
 
  

a lot healther
and non poisonous. but if you thing GATORADE is a good idear thats  up to 
you. just some info if your interested.
  

But coconut water does not contain a citric component does it?
sol




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CSCS in humidifier.lung mucous

[Harold MacDonald]

A steam humidifier will distill the CS out ,which is not the way to go.A cool 
mist ultrasonic,nebulizer type is what is needed.
I have a weakness in my lungs which over-produces mucous.This can and did lead 
to a build-up in them.This led to Bronchial pneumonia and the inevitable 
ABX,with all the attendant problems.
Using the above type humidifier with CS/EIS did stop that go 'round very 
successfully.
I later learned that Fenugreek was very good at reducing the production of 
mucous.This was through finding that my situation was related to Cystic 
Fibrosis in which Fenugreek now plays a beneficial role.
Since incorporating the herb,as a capsule, in my regimen,it has been a very 
long time since I've had to resort to the humidifier.

Harold

Re: CSmoon on fingernails?

[Leslie]

I have a question; how to you get rid of the blue moons?
- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: CSmoon on fingernails?



Kathy Tankersley wrote:
Someone on this list recently commented on how his fingernails got a 
'moon' on them when he increased his CS consumption.  Can someone on 
this list tell me what this looks like?  Thanks  Kathy

http://silver-lightning.com/fingernails.JPG

Marshall


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Re: CSCS in humidifier.lung mucous

[Kathy Tankersley]

I too have lung problems, asthma, etc.  One lung doctor said that I had COPD, 
(the word scares me to death)  I find that I have a build up of mucus mostly in 
the winter.  I've been taking CS to keep the infection going from my throat to 
my lungs and so far that has worked.  But I'm wondering now if I shouldn't try 
the fenugreek herb -thanks for the tip.  Kathy
  - Original Message - 
  From: Harold MacDonald 
  To: Silver list 
  Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:42 PM
  Subject: CSCS in humidifier.lung mucous


  A steam humidifier will distill the CS out ,which is not the way to go.A cool 
mist ultrasonic,nebulizer type is what is needed.
  I have a weakness in my lungs which over-produces mucous.This can and did 
lead to a build-up in them.This led to Bronchial pneumonia and the inevitable 
ABX,with all the attendant problems.
  Using the above type humidifier with CS/EIS did stop that go 'round very 
successfully.
  I later learned that Fenugreek was very good at reducing the production of 
mucous.This was through finding that my situation was related to Cystic 
Fibrosis in which Fenugreek now plays a beneficial role.
  Since incorporating the herb,as a capsule, in my regimen,it has been a very 
long time since I've had to resort to the humidifier.

  Harold

Re: CSmoon on fingernails?

[Marshall Dudley]

I wish I knew, if I did, I wouldn't still have them.  My wife took 2 
months of chelation and hers seemed to have lightened, but did not go 
away in that time.


Marshall

Leslie wrote:

I have a question; how to you get rid of the blue moons?
- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley 
mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: CSmoon on fingernails?



Kathy Tankersley wrote:
Someone on this list recently commented on how his fingernails got a 
'moon' on them when he increased his CS consumption.  Can someone on 
this list tell me what this looks like?  Thanks  Kathy

http://silver-lightning.com/fingernails.JPG

Marshall


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Re: CSGatorade and colloidal silver

[Leslie]

Since Magnesium was brought up, I would like to know which kind of Magnesium 
would be best to order. I was looking through the Puritans Pride catalog. 
thanks, Leslie
- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: CSGatorade and colloidal silver


Maybe.  But the table is for hydrogen, not magnesium, that is citric acid, 
not magnesium citrate.  So you have to actually compare the reduction 
potential of magnesium citrate to that of silver chloride instead of 
citric acid to silver chloride.  It really has to do with how much 
magnesium likes citrate vs chlorine compared with silver and citrate vs 
chlorine.  I don't have those numbers, so really can't say.


Marshall

Norm wrote:

hi Marshall
I use Magnesium Citrate as a supplement ...would taking them together 
make EIS more absorbable

Norm


- Original Message - 
From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: CSGatorade and colloidal silver




At 08:56 PM 1/8/2010, you wrote:

hey people you can do the same thing mixing cs with coconut water which 
is





a lot healther
and non poisonous. but if you thing GATORADE is a good idear thats  up 
to you. just some info if your interested.



But coconut water does not contain a citric component does it?
sol




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Re: CSGatorade and colloidal silver

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I think magnesium citrate is the most bioavailable or mag chloride or orotate.  
I use mag citrate.  dee

On 11 Jan 2010, at 20:04, Leslie wrote:

 Since Magnesium was brought up, I would like to know which kind of Magnesium 
 would be best to order. I was looking through the Puritans Pride catalog. 
 thanks, Leslie
 - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:13 PM
 Subject: Re: CSGatorade and colloidal silver
 
 


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Re: CSAluminum in your diet

[Day Sutton]

If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel.  It causes
prostate to swell..

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.comwrote:

 Huh? I never said it was ok to cook in either. You need to read the emails
 more closely.

 Marshall

 John E. Stevens wrote:

 Marshall:

 Teflon is a no-no for cooking, period.  So is cooking in aluminum.  Where
 did you ever get the idea that it's okay to cook in this garbage?  Yes to
 stainless and stove top glass, but Teflon and aluminum - who are you trying
 to infect?

 John
 On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:53 AM, MaryAnn Helland 
 marmar...@bellsouth.netmailto:
 marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:

Well -- there ya go!!  Thanks Marshall.
MA


  
*From:* Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thu, January 7, 2010 10:30:41 AM
*Subject:* CSAluminum in your diet

http://www.hints-n-tips.com/aluminum.htm

The following additives contain aluminium compounds: E173, E520,
E521, E523 E541, E545, E554, E555 E556, E559.  Antacids quite
often contain aluminum trisilicate as does buffered aspirin. Foods
containing aluminium based additives include dry cake mixes,
pastries and croissants made from frozen dough, processed cheeses,
some donuts and waffles, check muffins for E541 (sodium aluminum
phosphate), and food coloring.  The list of substances containing
aluminium salts is quite depressing, it even includes*toothpaste*!,
 especially tooth whitening products.

The use of aluminum in drinking water is starting to be looked at
in Canada and Australia, most utilities in Europe and the United
States do exceed the recommended level of 100 microgrammes per
litre, some by as much as *sixty times!*  Another obvious and
easily avoided source is aluminum cooking pots and pans, this can
be quite easily remedied by using enamelled, stainless steel and
cast iron pots. Cooking in earthenware and glass containers is
another option. There is no need to throw out all of your
aluminium pots, it is OK to fry food in aluminium pans and intact
Teflon, non-stick coatings will effectively prevent any contamination.

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts22.html

  * Virtually all food, water, air, and soil contain some aluminum.
  * The average adult in the U.S. eats about 7-9 mg aluminum per day
in their food.
  * Breathing higher levels of aluminum dust in workplace air.
  * Living in areas where the air is dusty, where aluminum is mined or
processed into aluminum metal, near certain hazardous waste sites,
or where aluminum is naturally high.
  * Eating substances containing high levels of aluminum (such as
antacids) especially when eating or drinking citrus products at
the same time.
  * Children and adults may be exposed to small amounts of aluminum
from vaccinations.
  * Very little enters your body from aluminum cooking utensils.


 http://www.holisticvetpetcare.com/pdf/Heavy_Metal_Posion_Hair_Analysis-4.pdf

This site has some good information on it and lists foods that
contain significant aluminum. Rice, wheat, beef, chicken, pork,
radishes and potatoes all contain significant amounts of aluminum,
and carrot leaf contains large amounts. Unfortunately I am unable
to copy from the page. Apparently if you want an aluminum free
diet about all you can consume is distilled water, and pure
chemicals such as salt, cream of tarter, citric acid and sodium
bicarbonate.

Marshall


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Re: CSAluminum in your diet

[cking001]

This gets laughable.
Are we having a group psycho experiment?

Chuck

I went to a bookstore and asked the
 saleswoman,Where's the self-help section? She
 said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.


On 1/11/2010 3:50:14 PM, Day Sutton (day.sut...@gmail.com) wrote:
 If you are a man
 don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel.  It causes prostate to swell..
 
 On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com 
 [link: mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] wrote:
 Huh? I never said it was ok to cook in either. You need to read the emails 
 more closely.
 
 Marshall
 
 John E. Stevens wrote:
 Marshall:
 
 Teflon is a no-no for cooking, period.  So is cooking in aluminum.  Where did 
 you ever get the idea that it's
 okay to cook in this garbage?  Yes to stainless and stove top glass, but
 Teflon and aluminum - who are you trying to infect?
 
 John  


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Re: CSCS in humidifier.lung mucous

[Larry Biggar]

Dear Kathy, i too suffer from copd and other res. problems. I baught a silver 
puppy and started spraying in my nostrils and throat. That really helped! Then 
i tried a nebulizer a few times. My VA Dr. sais that i'm cured! Fungus is a 
also killed by silver too!  Larry

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net wrote:


From: Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net
Subject: Re: CSCS in humidifier.lung mucous
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 12:02 PM





I too have lung problems, asthma, etc.  One lung doctor said that I had COPD, 
(the word scares me to death)  I find that I have a build up of mucus mostly in 
the winter.  I've been taking CS to keep the infection going from my throat to 
my lungs and so far that has worked.  But I'm wondering now if I shouldn't try 
the fenugreek herb -thanks for the tip.  Kathy

- Original Message - 
From: Harold MacDonald 
To: Silver list 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: CSCS in humidifier.lung mucous


A steam humidifier will distill the CS out ,which is not the way to go.A cool 
mist ultrasonic,nebulizer type is what is needed.
I have a weakness in my lungs which over-produces mucous.This can and did lead 
to a build-up in them.This led to Bronchial pneumonia and the inevitable 
ABX,with all the attendant problems.
Using the above type humidifier with CS/EIS did stop that go 'round very 
successfully.
I later learned that Fenugreek was very good at reducing the production of 
mucous.This was through finding that my situation was related to Cystic 
Fibrosis in which Fenugreek now plays a beneficial role.
Since incorporating the herb,as a capsule, in my regimen,it has been a very 
long time since I've had to resort to the humidifier.
 
Harold
 


  

Re: CSCS in humidifier.lung mucous

[Kathy Tankersley]

I have a nebulizer that I use for alburtol when the going gets rought, would 
that work with CS?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Larry Biggar 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:38 PM
  Subject: Re: CSCS in humidifier.lung mucous


Dear Kathy, i too suffer from copd and other res. problems. I baught a 
silver puppy and started spraying in my nostrils and throat. That really 
helped! Then i tried a nebulizer a few times. My VA Dr. sais that i'm cured! 
Fungus is a also killed by silver too!  Larry

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net wrote:


  From: Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net
  Subject: Re: CSCS in humidifier.lung mucous
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 12:02 PM


  I too have lung problems, asthma, etc.  One lung doctor said that I 
had COPD, (the word scares me to death)  I find that I have a build up of mucus 
mostly in the winter.  I've been taking CS to keep the infection going from my 
throat to my lungs and so far that has worked.  But I'm wondering now if I 
shouldn't try the fenugreek herb -thanks for the tip.  Kathy
- Original Message - 
From: Harold MacDonald 
To: Silver list 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: CSCS in humidifier.lung mucous


A steam humidifier will distill the CS out ,which is not the way to 
go.A cool mist ultrasonic,nebulizer type is what is needed.
I have a weakness in my lungs which over-produces mucous.This can 
and did lead to a build-up in them.This led to Bronchial pneumonia and the 
inevitable ABX,with all the attendant problems.
Using the above type humidifier with CS/EIS did stop that go 'round 
very successfully.
I later learned that Fenugreek was very good at reducing the 
production of mucous.This was through finding that my situation was related to 
Cystic Fibrosis in which Fenugreek now plays a beneficial role.
Since incorporating the herb,as a capsule, in my regimen,it has 
been a very long time since I've had to resort to the humidifier.

Harold
   

Re: CSCS in humidifier.lung mucous

[Larry Biggar]

I used to use alburtol too. But tried cs and don't use any inhalers nor my 
nebulizer. So what do you want? Get better or get cured?! Larry

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net wrote:


From: Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net
Subject: Re: CSCS in humidifier.lung mucous
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 2:42 PM



I have a nebulizer that I use for alburtol when the going gets rought, would 
that work with CS?

- Original Message - 
From: Larry Biggar 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: CSCS in humidifier.lung mucous





Dear Kathy, i too suffer from copd and other res. problems. I baught a silver 
puppy and started spraying in my nostrils and throat. That really helped! Then 
i tried a nebulizer a few times. My VA Dr. sais that i'm cured! Fungus is a 
also killed by silver too!  Larry

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net wrote:


From: Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net
Subject: Re: CSCS in humidifier.lung mucous
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 12:02 PM





I too have lung problems, asthma, etc.  One lung doctor said that I had COPD, 
(the word scares me to death)  I find that I have a build up of mucus mostly in 
the winter.  I've been taking CS to keep the infection going from my throat to 
my lungs and so far that has worked.  But I'm wondering now if I shouldn't try 
the fenugreek herb -thanks for the tip.  Kathy

- Original Message - 
From: Harold MacDonald 
To: Silver list 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: CSCS in humidifier.lung mucous


A steam humidifier will distill the CS out ,which is not the way to go.A cool 
mist ultrasonic,nebulizer type is what is needed.
I have a weakness in my lungs which over-produces mucous.This can and did lead 
to a build-up in them.This led to Bronchial pneumonia and the inevitable 
ABX,with all the attendant problems.
Using the above type humidifier with CS/EIS did stop that go 'round very 
successfully.
I later learned that Fenugreek was very good at reducing the production of 
mucous.This was through finding that my situation was related to Cystic 
Fibrosis in which Fenugreek now plays a beneficial role.
Since incorporating the herb,as a capsule, in my regimen,it has been a very 
long time since I've had to resort to the humidifier.
 
Harold
 



  

Re: CSGatorade and colloidal silver

[Annie B Smythe]

According to several papers, magnesium chloride is 
more available, but can cause diarrhea, like all 
magnesium. I use a magnesium chloride spray on 
oil. Epsom salt baths can increase magnesium too, 
since it's magnesium sulfate and it absorbs 
through the skin. The problem with magnesium is 
kind of a conundrum, in that if you're low in 
magnesium the body doesn't want to absorb it, but 
you need it if you're levels are low. So you just 
have to keep plugging away at it until you get 
enough in you to absorb it better. :)



Annie
If we could sell our experiences for what they 
cost us, we'd all be millionaires.

Abigail Van Buren

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

I think magnesium citrate is the most bioavailable or mag chloride or orotate.  
I use mag citrate.  dee

On 11 Jan 2010, at 20:04, Leslie wrote:


Since Magnesium was brought up, I would like to know which kind of Magnesium 
would be best to order. I was looking through the Puritans Pride catalog. 
thanks, Leslie
- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: CSGatorade and colloidal silver





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CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[Norton, Steve]

I sent this once but received back an error message. Trying again.



I ran across the following info that says that Vitamin C  may cause
hardening of the arteries. I am used to seeing info saying that Vitamin
C is good for the arteries such as the link further down. I don't take
very high doses of Vitamin C, 500 - 1000 mg, but now I am concerned.
Anyone have better data?
Thanks,
- Steve N

___

http://altmedangel.com/arteries.htm


Ascorbic Acid Causes Hardening of the Arteries?
It seems hardly likely that taking high doses of vitamin C (ascorbic
acid) can cause thickening or hardening of the arteries since so many
people have taken high doses for a long time. Yet researchers from the
University of California reported just that on March 2, 2000. People who
took 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a 2.5 times faster progression of
thickening of the carotid artery (hardening of the arteries) than people
who took no supplement.
This study was not a clinical study where subjects are divided into
those taking ascorbic acid and those taking a placebo. This was an
epidemiological study which means patient records were examined and this
finding popped up. There might well have been other confounding factors
that would explain the artery-thickening finding.
Nonetheless, the researchers were surprised at the finding. And it
seemed that the higher the dose of ascorbic acid, the worse the artery
damage (the more they took, the faster the buildup). In fact, smokers
taking 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a rate of artery thickening five
times greater than nonsmokers not taking the supplement. And while no
one is sure what this all means, the researchers did come up with some
common sense ideas about fractionated supplementation.
The director of the study astutely observed that when you extract one
component of food and give it at very high levels, you just don't know
what you are doing to the system, and it may be adverse. Other
researchers were quick to add that the research shows the uncertainties
of picking out a single vitamin among the plethora of nutrients in a
healthy diet. They added that it is a challenge to pick out nutrients
that may make people live longer because if we are wrong, we can do
harm

___
http://www.medical-library.net/vitamin_c_and_vascular_disease.html


Animals In The Wild Do Not Get Heart Attacks 

The process of atherosclerosis is limited to humans. Animals in the wild
do not develop atherosclerosis, therefore no heart attacks and no
strokes occur among these citizens of nature. To induce an animal to
have atherosclerosis you have to put it in captivity and feed it the
kind of diet which humans use to cause the problem. The guinea pig and
fruit bat make good models, if this is what you want to do. The gorilla
would make a good model, but who wants fifty gorillas lined up in a
laboratory?

Animals in the wild do not get heart attacks because they make their own
ascorbate, and therefore the process of atherosclerosis does not begin.
We humans could take the hint, load up on vitamin C and a few other
vitamins twice each day for life and eradicate heart disease. This is
already happening in the U.S. where ascorbate consumption has
skyrocketed over the past 25 years, and heart disease has dropped by one
third. The war against smoking may also have something to do with this,
yet in countries where smoking has declined in the absence of increased
ascorbate consumption, there has been no equivalent change in heart
disease rates.


All The Known Actions of Ascorbate
1. Increases HDL (high density lipoprotein) production. (HDL is able to
help resorb fat located in plaque. In the process it changes from a disc
shape to a globular form of HDL, and takes this fat to the liver to be
burned.) 
2. Decreases the production of lipoprotein(a). (Somehow the liver knows
when there is plenty of ascorbate on board, and therefore no need for
high levels of lipoprotein(a) which is, after all, a repair factor for
the cracks in blood vessel walls which come up in the absence of
sufficient ascorbate.) 
3. Down-regulates cholesterol and triglyceride production in the liver.
[These are secondary repair factors in that they are glued into the
plaque by lipoprotein(a).] 
4. Lowers blood sugar and insulin requirements. 
5. By relaxing the blood vessel walls, lowers blood pressure when
hypertension is present. (This is not the total answer to a case of
hypertension, but it can help.) 
6. Inhibits inappropriate intravascular clot formation (the final and
sometimes deadly event in cases of heart attacks and strokes).
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Re: CSGatorade and colloidal silver

[Annie B Smythe]

According to several papers, magnesium chloride is 
more available, but can cause diarrhea, like all 
magnesium. I use a magnesium chloride spray on 
oil. Epsom salt baths can increase magnesium too, 
since it's magnesium sulfate and it absorbs 
through the skin. The problem with magnesium is 
kind of a conundrum, in that if you're low in 
magnesium the body doesn't want to absorb it, but 
you need it if you're levels are low. So you just 
have to keep plugging away at it until you get 
enough in you to absorb it better.  :)



Annie

If we could sell our experiences for what they 
cost us, we'd all be millionaires.

Abigail Van Buren

Leslie wrote:
Since Magnesium was brought up, I would like to know which kind of 
Magnesium would be best to order. I was looking through the Puritans 
Pride catalog. thanks, Leslie
- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley 
mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: CSGatorade and colloidal silver


Maybe.  But the table is for hydrogen, not magnesium, that is citric 
acid, not magnesium citrate.  So you have to actually compare the 
reduction potential of magnesium citrate to that of silver chloride 
instead of citric acid to silver chloride.  It really has to do with 
how much magnesium likes citrate vs chlorine compared with silver and 
citrate vs chlorine.  I don't have those numbers, so really can't say.


Marshall

Norm wrote:

hi Marshall
I use Magnesium Citrate as a supplement ...would taking them together 
make EIS more absorbable

Norm


- Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: CSGatorade and colloidal silver




At 08:56 PM 1/8/2010, you wrote:

hey people you can do the same thing mixing cs with coconut water 
which is





a lot healther
and non poisonous. but if you thing GATORADE is a good idear thats  
up to you. just some info if your interested.



But coconut water does not contain a citric component does it?
sol




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Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[John E. Stevens]

I'm not so sure I believe the study - and it's the first time I've ever
heard that.  In my own personal experience, I've been taking 10,000 mg of
vitamin C for 35 years and my doctor says I have the heart and circulatory
system of an 18 year old atlete - and I'm only 68 years old...  Of course, I
take many other supplements that may aid this, too.  In a circulation test,
my doctor also told me my blood moves so quickly from my heart to my
furthest extremities, he finds it hard to believe.  He told me my heart is
so strong that if he stabbed me in the heart I'd throw blood at least 60
feet.  Linus Pauling was taking 18,000 mg of vitamin C well into his 90's.
He died at 93 of prostate cancer.  Now, had he known how to support his
prostate, the ole boy might still be with us...

John

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.comwrote:

 I sent this once but received back an error message. Trying again.



 I ran across the following info that says that Vitamin C  may cause
 hardening of the arteries. I am used to seeing info saying that Vitamin
 C is good for the arteries such as the link further down. I don't take
 very high doses of Vitamin C, 500 - 1000 mg, but now I am concerned.
 Anyone have better data?
 Thanks,
 - Steve N

 ___

 http://altmedangel.com/arteries.htm


 Ascorbic Acid Causes Hardening of the Arteries?
 It seems hardly likely that taking high doses of vitamin C (ascorbic
 acid) can cause thickening or hardening of the arteries since so many
 people have taken high doses for a long time. Yet researchers from the
 University of California reported just that on March 2, 2000. People who
 took 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a 2.5 times faster progression of
 thickening of the carotid artery (hardening of the arteries) than people
 who took no supplement.
 This study was not a clinical study where subjects are divided into
 those taking ascorbic acid and those taking a placebo. This was an
 epidemiological study which means patient records were examined and this
 finding popped up. There might well have been other confounding factors
 that would explain the artery-thickening finding.
 Nonetheless, the researchers were surprised at the finding. And it
 seemed that the higher the dose of ascorbic acid, the worse the artery
 damage (the more they took, the faster the buildup). In fact, smokers
 taking 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a rate of artery thickening five
 times greater than nonsmokers not taking the supplement. And while no
 one is sure what this all means, the researchers did come up with some
 common sense ideas about fractionated supplementation.
 The director of the study astutely observed that when you extract one
 component of food and give it at very high levels, you just don't know
 what you are doing to the system, and it may be adverse. Other
 researchers were quick to add that the research shows the uncertainties
 of picking out a single vitamin among the plethora of nutrients in a
 healthy diet. They added that it is a challenge to pick out nutrients
 that may make people live longer because if we are wrong, we can do
 harm
 
 ___
 http://www.medical-library.net/vitamin_c_and_vascular_disease.html


 Animals In The Wild Do Not Get Heart Attacks

 The process of atherosclerosis is limited to humans. Animals in the wild
 do not develop atherosclerosis, therefore no heart attacks and no
 strokes occur among these citizens of nature. To induce an animal to
 have atherosclerosis you have to put it in captivity and feed it the
 kind of diet which humans use to cause the problem. The guinea pig and
 fruit bat make good models, if this is what you want to do. The gorilla
 would make a good model, but who wants fifty gorillas lined up in a
 laboratory?

 Animals in the wild do not get heart attacks because they make their own
 ascorbate, and therefore the process of atherosclerosis does not begin.
 We humans could take the hint, load up on vitamin C and a few other
 vitamins twice each day for life and eradicate heart disease. This is
 already happening in the U.S. where ascorbate consumption has
 skyrocketed over the past 25 years, and heart disease has dropped by one
 third. The war against smoking may also have something to do with this,
 yet in countries where smoking has declined in the absence of increased
 ascorbate consumption, there has been no equivalent change in heart
 disease rates.


 All The Known Actions of Ascorbate
 1. Increases HDL (high density lipoprotein) production. (HDL is able to
 help resorb fat located in plaque. In the process it changes from a disc
 shape to a globular form of HDL, and takes this fat to the liver to be
 burned.)
 2. Decreases the production of lipoprotein(a). (Somehow the liver knows
 when there is plenty of ascorbate on board, and therefore no need for
 high levels of 

CSwattage

[Sunwaterclear - Sunny]

Does anyone know how many watts a silver gen or similar might use.  We are 
moving off grid with few funds and want to stay as healthy as possible.. Using 
MMS and Silver as our main wellness facilities.  We getting a solar panel of 
100 watts to run laptop and a couple of modems and one light or so... would 
like to be able to run a colloidal generator,and wondering if anyone has any 
idea..?   Before I go searching the internet... 

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with love
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Re: CSwattage

[TREM]

2 WATTS

Trem
www.silvergen.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
  To: Silver List 
  Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:04 PM
  Subject: CSwattage


  Does anyone know how many watts a silver gen or similar might use.  We are 
moving off grid with few funds and want to stay as healthy as possible.. Using 
MMS and Silver as our main wellness facilities.  We getting a solar panel of 
100 watts to run laptop and a couple of modems and one light or so... would 
like to be able to run a colloidal generator,and wondering if anyone has any 
idea..?   Before I go searching the internet... 

  thanks for all the amazing helpful and knowledgeable energy on here.. 
  with love
  sunny
   
  A peek into our world.. 

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wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 


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Re: CSwattage

[Sunwaterclear - Sunny]

Is that 2 watts an hour?   sounds great!
 
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From: TREM t...@silvergen.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 8:13:57 PM
Subject: Re: CSwattage


2 WATTS
 
Trem
www.silvergen.com
 
- Original Message - 
From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
To: Silver List 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:04 PM
Subject: CSwattage


Does anyone know how many watts a silver gen or similar might use.  We are 
moving off grid with few funds and want to stay as healthy as possible.. Using 
MMS and Silver as our main wellness facilities.  We getting a solar panel of 
100 watts to run laptop and a couple of modems and one light or so... would 
like to be able to run a colloidal generator,and wondering if anyone has any 
idea..?   Before I go searching the internet... 

thanks for all the amazing helpful and knowledgeable energy on here.. 
with love
sunny
 
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CSasthma

[Shirley Reed]

  Our CS is very good for asthma, but I am hoping you will look into iodine as 
it has proven to be as great a panacea as CS.  Dr. David Derry has some 
interesting experiences with this.  pj


  


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[RE]CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries:COMMENT

[Brooks Bradley]

  
Dear Steve,
We have evaluated High Dosage vitamin C  INTENSIVELY, SINCE CIRCA 1975.  Although I have no way of disproving the allegations to which you refer.I can not bring myself to even consider such claims to have actual merit.  We have, directly, prosecutedliterallyhundreds of evaluations (involving almost 2000 people)involving vitamin C (in all of its various chemical configurations)...All without a single DETECTABLE adverse agent of influence.  Although our studies were NOT double-blind in naturethe experimental subjects were ALL subjected to BEFORE and AFTER- SYSTEMIC AND BLOOD CHEMISTRY evaluated parameters.  We never encountered a volunteer subject who manifested ANY challenge or insult (except loose stools; if one considers that adverse) from vitamin C dosages as high as 30 grams dailyover periods of time as long as 4 months, continually.  The only detectable/measurable consequences presented were UNIVERSALLY positive.  However, there were, some!
 times, surprising conditions.although all were positive in nature.  e.g.  We did encounter a number of individuals (sometimes as high as 10% of the entire test group of 45 persons) who did not display ANY measurable benefits until the dosage of vitamin C reached 10 grams daily.  The spectrum of beneficial responses were, sometimes,simply breath-taking.   In one limited study we compared the effects of saturated solutions of vitamin C against a wide array of conventional antibiotics as the principal address for deep penetrating wounds and major lacerations.  Not a single ONE of the antibiotics proved superior to the vitamin C..and a majority (7 antibiotics) proved to be considerably less effective.  Some antibiotics proved no better than tap water.
   I am not recommending that ANYONE take ANY AMOUNT of vitamin C---in ANY FORM.  These comments are merely a simple synopsis of our DIRECT RESEARCH EXPERIENCES involving experimental volunteers.during the immediately-past 30+ years (a much longer period than we have been a chartered research foundation).
   I have experienced a deep and direct relationship (principally a professional one)with many facets of the conventional medical profession over the last 50 years. A majority of all these people proved to be well-intentioned, professionally honest and for the most part---capable.  I have witnessed what I would characterize as ASTOUNDING.an almost total domination of both the professional and economic parameters of the national medical arena (research as well as the major elements of direct practice )by elements OUTSIDE the physical practice of the art.  I will not comment on what I believe the complete nature of this influence to be.  
  However, one particularly vexing consequence of having a profit-oriented, cartel-like, control over ANY human endeavor involving the general population of a people is...that by definitionthe continued expansion of such "artificial constructs" requires a dedication to net business Income.not the health and vitality of the general population.except as an accidental corollary.   This observation is so obvious that it mitigates against ANY reasonable rebuttal involving common sense. 
   I now close this epistle, hopefully, before it requires Mike Devour to declare me out-of-bounds.
Thankfully, or rather mercifully, he has allowed me such an incoherent ravingat least once a yearwithout giving me the heave-ho.  I did it early this year.because I am so long-in-the-tooth that I may not make another year :>) .
May Each of You Enjoy the Grandest Year of This Life,  
  Namaste, Brooks Bradley.




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 Subject : CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries
 Date : Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:07:02 -0600
 From : Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com
 To : silver-list@eskimo.com

I sent this once but received back an error message. Trying again.



I ran across the following info that says that Vitamin C  may cause
hardening of the arteries. I am used to seeing info saying that Vitamin
C is good for the arteries such as the link further down. I don't take
very high doses of Vitamin C, 500 - 1000 mg, but now I am concerned.
Anyone have better data?
Thanks,
- Steve N

___

http://altmedangel.com/arteries.htm


"Ascorbic Acid Causes Hardening of the Arteries?
It seems hardly likely that taking high doses of vitamin C (ascorbic
acid) can cause thickening or hardening of the arteries since so many
people have taken high doses for a long time. Yet researchers from the
University of California reported just that on March 2, 2000. People who
took 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a 2.5 times faster progression of
thickening of the carotid artery (hardening of the arteries) than people
who took no supplement.
This 

Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[Peter Converse]

Hi Steve,

I don't remember the answer to your question but I do remember the book in 
which I believe I read a good criticism of this particular study, possibly, 
and other similar studies which, according to the book's authors, Drs. Steve 
Hickey and Hilary Roberts, have critical flaws in their design or 
interpretation.


The book is named Ascorbate, The Science of Vitamin C. Also worth the 
read, on the same subject, is Curing the Incurable...Vitamin C, Infectious 
Diseases and Toxins, written by Thomas E. Levy. MD, JD.


Reading one or both of these books, should set your mind at ease on this 
matter and clarify things considerably.


Sorry I couldn't clear it up on the spot but you'll probably enjoy these 
books regardless and get a lot out of them.


I hope this helps,

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 6:07 PM
Subject: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries


I sent this once but received back an error message. Trying again.



I ran across the following info that says that Vitamin C  may cause
hardening of the arteries. I am used to seeing info saying that Vitamin
C is good for the arteries such as the link further down. I don't take
very high doses of Vitamin C, 500 - 1000 mg, but now I am concerned.
Anyone have better data?
Thanks,
- Steve N

___

http://altmedangel.com/arteries.htm


Ascorbic Acid Causes Hardening of the Arteries?
It seems hardly likely that taking high doses of vitamin C (ascorbic
acid) can cause thickening or hardening of the arteries since so many
people have taken high doses for a long time. Yet researchers from the
University of California reported just that on March 2, 2000. People who
took 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a 2.5 times faster progression of
thickening of the carotid artery (hardening of the arteries) than people
who took no supplement.
This study was not a clinical study where subjects are divided into
those taking ascorbic acid and those taking a placebo. This was an
epidemiological study which means patient records were examined and this
finding popped up. There might well have been other confounding factors
that would explain the artery-thickening finding.
Nonetheless, the researchers were surprised at the finding. And it
seemed that the higher the dose of ascorbic acid, the worse the artery
damage (the more they took, the faster the buildup). In fact, smokers
taking 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a rate of artery thickening five
times greater than nonsmokers not taking the supplement. And while no
one is sure what this all means, the researchers did come up with some
common sense ideas about fractionated supplementation.
The director of the study astutely observed that when you extract one
component of food and give it at very high levels, you just don't know
what you are doing to the system, and it may be adverse. Other
researchers were quick to add that the research shows the uncertainties
of picking out a single vitamin among the plethora of nutrients in a
healthy diet. They added that it is a challenge to pick out nutrients
that may make people live longer because if we are wrong, we can do
harm

___
http://www.medical-library.net/vitamin_c_and_vascular_disease.html


Animals In The Wild Do Not Get Heart Attacks

The process of atherosclerosis is limited to humans. Animals in the wild
do not develop atherosclerosis, therefore no heart attacks and no
strokes occur among these citizens of nature. To induce an animal to
have atherosclerosis you have to put it in captivity and feed it the
kind of diet which humans use to cause the problem. The guinea pig and
fruit bat make good models, if this is what you want to do. The gorilla
would make a good model, but who wants fifty gorillas lined up in a
laboratory?

Animals in the wild do not get heart attacks because they make their own
ascorbate, and therefore the process of atherosclerosis does not begin.
We humans could take the hint, load up on vitamin C and a few other
vitamins twice each day for life and eradicate heart disease. This is
already happening in the U.S. where ascorbate consumption has
skyrocketed over the past 25 years, and heart disease has dropped by one
third. The war against smoking may also have something to do with this,
yet in countries where smoking has declined in the absence of increased
ascorbate consumption, there has been no equivalent change in heart
disease rates.


All The Known Actions of Ascorbate
1. Increases HDL (high density lipoprotein) production. (HDL is able to
help resorb fat located in plaque. In the process it changes from a disc
shape to a globular form of HDL, and takes this fat to the liver to be
burned.)
2. Decreases the production of lipoprotein(a). (Somehow the liver knows
when there is plenty of ascorbate on 

Re: CSwattage

[Larry Biggar]

Going solar sounds good. But realize that you need to charge batteries during 
the day. Also you will need some power to use durring the day. Wattage is kinda 
missleading. Two crock pots use up 100 watts. Amperage is more difinative. 
Everything has how many amps it draws. So, think in Kilo Watts rather than less 
than a Kilo. You better go back to the drawing board! Larry

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Sunwaterclear - Sunny sunwatercl...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny sunwatercl...@yahoo.com
Subject: CSwattage
To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 5:04 PM







Does anyone know how many watts a silver gen or similar might use.  We are 
moving off grid with few funds and want to stay as healthy as possible.. Using 
MMS and Silver as our main wellness facilities.  We getting a solar panel of 
100 watts to run laptop and a couple of modems and one light or so... would 
like to be able to run a colloidal generator,and wondering if anyone has any 
idea..?   Before I go searching the internet... 
 
thanks for all the amazing helpful and knowledgeable energy on here.. 
with love
sunny
 
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CSDarkbulb

[Pat]

Ok.   The darkbulb was a joke, wasn't it?  My daughter said just don't ask, but 
there's always a doubt in my mind.

Pat



  


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Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[cking001]

Doesn't sound like a credible study.
Low dosage
Not even a clinical study group let alone double blind,
just an examination of patient records.

I'd draw no conclusions except someone needed to get published...

Vitamin C is used to TREAT atherosclerosis.

A discussion of this report: http://www.drhoffman.com/page.cfm/152

Chuck
What hair color do they put on the drivers licenses of bald men? 

On 1/11/2010 6:07:02 PM, Norton, Steve (stephen.nor...@ngc.com) wrote:
 
 
 I ran across the following info that says that Vitamin C  may cause
 hardening of the arteries. I am used to seeing info saying that Vitamin
 C is good for the arteries such as the link further down. I
 don't take
 very high doses of Vitamin C, 500 - 1000 mg, but now I am concerned.
 Anyone have better data?
 Thanks,
 - Steve N
 
 ___
 
 http://altmedangel.com/arteries.htm
 
 
 Ascorbic Acid Causes Hardening of the Arteries?
 It seems hardly likely that taking high doses of vitamin C (ascorbic
 acid) can cause thickening or hardening of the arteries since so many
 people have taken high doses for a long time. Yet researchers from the
 University of California reported just that on March 2, 2000. People who
 took 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a 2.5 times faster progression of
 thickening of the carotid artery (hardening of the arteries) than people
 who took no supplement.
 This study was not a clinical study where subjects are divided into
 those taking ascorbic acid and those taking a placebo. This was an
 epidemiological study


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Re: CSDarkbulb

[Steve G]

Yes indeed.  The big clue was my reference to the article in the  Journal of 
Irreproducable Results.    It is a magazine that has been around for years, 
mostly as a vehicle for scientists and similar to write totally bogus articles 
about one thing or another.   One of my favorites was the theory that numerous 
subscriptions to National Geographic magazines that were subsequently stored in 
the homes of people in the NorthEastern part of the US was getting to the point 
that it was causing that part of North America to start sinking into the 
ocean.   Somethnig like 'National Geographic - Doomsday Machine.'   

Another article was on the 'Inheritance Pattern of Death' which attempted to 
prove that your own likelihood of dying could be predicted by determining 
whether your ancestors had died.

Personally, I think it would be wonderful if there were such a thing as a 
darkbulb or a reverse microwave. What would be absolutely wonderful for 
someone like me who suffers from CAPD and as a result is constantly being 
startled by unexpected sounds, would be a device that would create a 'cone of 
silence.'   That would be wonderful.  I'd have that thing turned on whenever I 
went shopping for sure, when standing in line at McDonald's or other noisy 
places, or when exposed to people with no sense of privacy or taste regarding 
the use of their cell phones.

There IS a device which, when turned on, will jam all cell phones within a 
certain radius.   I desperately want one.   The bad news is that they are 
illegal.  The good news is that I am unlikely to get caught.

Cheers


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From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com
Subject: CSDarkbulb
To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 10:20 PM

Ok.   The darkbulb was a joke, wasn't it?  My daughter said just don't ask, but 
there's always a doubt in my mind.

Pat



      


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Re: CSDarkbulb

[Pat]

Hahaha, the kids always have said I was so gullible.  I need to read more 
closely, too.  

Pat





From: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 11:16:58 PM
Subject: Re: CSDarkbulb



Yes indeed.  The big clue was my reference to the article in the  Journal of 
Irreproducable Results.It is a magazine that has been around for years, 
mostly as a vehicle for scientists and similar to write totally bogus articles 
about one thing or another.   One of my favorites was the theory that numerous 
subscriptions to National Geographic magazines that were subsequently stored in 
the homes of people in the NorthEastern part of the US was getting to the point 
that it was causing that part of North America to start sinking into the ocean. 
  Somethnig like 'National Geographic - Doomsday Machine.'   

Another article was on the 'Inheritance Pattern of Death' which attempted to 
prove that your own likelihood of dying could be predicted by determining 
whether your ancestors had died.

Personally, I think it would be wonderful if there were such a thing as a 
darkbulb or a reverse microwave. What would be absolutely wonderful for 
someone like me who suffers from CAPD and as a result is constantly being 
startled by unexpected sounds, would be a device that would create a 'cone of 
silence.'   That would be wonderful.  I'd have that thing turned on whenever I 
went shopping for sure, when standing in line at McDonald's or other noisy 
places, or when exposed to people with no sense of privacy or taste regarding 
the use of their cell phones.

There IS a device which, when turned on, will jam all cell phones within a 
certain radius.   I desperately want one.   The bad news is that they are 
illegal.  The good news is that I am unlikely to get caught.

Cheers


  


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Re: CSShingles...

[TREM]

I got rid of mine with a half cup of 15-20 PPM daily.  Haven't had a recurrence 
in about 9-10 years.  No other opportunistic infections either.

Trem
  - Original Message - 
  From: zzekel...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:58 AM
  Subject: Re: CSShingles...


  In a message dated 1/10/2010 6:02:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
thehatefuln...@comcast.net writes:
A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE  HAS SHINGLES.  NO SEEMS TO KNOW WHAT TO DO.  IS
  THIS A GOOD TREATMENT AND IF SO WHAT IS THE DOSAGE??
   
  Glladys

  Hi G, I also have a friend who had a bad bout with shingles.. The Med. she 
got from the Dr. took 8 weeks to work  didn't really clear them up.. They came 
back with a vengeance. I asked her if she would like to try Silver. She said 
she was ready to try anything...She took a tsp.of Colloidal Silver each day and 
used the Brooks Bradley mix on them. It took 5-7 days to clear them  it has 
been almost a year with just one minor flair up when she had stopped taking the 
silver for a couple weeks. She now takes a couple tsp. a week .  
  {{ The Brooks Mix is-- 70 % CS,  10 % DMSO  15 % Glycerine }} We use this 
for the pets  we monkeys. Lois
{{My friend bought a simple CS generator for herself as she uses it for so 
many things now. I know there are a lot of good generators out there we got 
ours from www.atlasnova.com -  We use so much  give it to friends that I got 
the set up to make a gallon at a time...}}

Re: CSDarkbulb

[Annie B Smythe]

Funny stuff, LOL,

Annie
Not everything that counts can be counted, and 
not everything that can be counted counts. (Sign 
hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton)





Pat wrote:
Hahaha, the kids always have said I was so gullible.  I need to read more closely, too.  


Pat





From: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 11:16:58 PM
Subject: Re: CSDarkbulb



Yes indeed.  The big clue was my reference to the article in the  Journal of Irreproducable Results.It is a magazine that has been around for years, mostly as a vehicle for scientists and similar to write totally bogus articles about one thing or another.   One of my favorites was the theory that numerous subscriptions to National Geographic magazines that were subsequently stored in the homes of people in the NorthEastern part of the US was getting to the point that it was causing that part of North America to start sinking into the ocean.   Somethnig like 'National Geographic - Doomsday Machine.'   


Another article was on the 'Inheritance Pattern of Death' which attempted to 
prove that your own likelihood of dying could be predicted by determining 
whether your ancestors had died.

Personally, I think it would be wonderful if there were such a thing as a 
darkbulb or a reverse microwave. What would be absolutely wonderful for 
someone like me who suffers from CAPD and as a result is constantly being 
startled by unexpected sounds, would be a device that would create a 'cone of 
silence.'   That would be wonderful.  I'd have that thing turned on whenever I 
went shopping for sure, when standing in line at McDonald's or other noisy 
places, or when exposed to people with no sense of privacy or taste regarding 
the use of their cell phones.

There IS a device which, when turned on, will jam all cell phones within a 
certain radius.   I desperately want one.   The bad news is that they are 
illegal.  The good news is that I am unlikely to get caught.

Cheers


  



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