date:20101002


Oh, I think I see.  I would have thought that if one meter which has resolution 
increments of '.1' shows a reading *higher* than '1.', then the meter which 
reads in increments of 1 would display 1 instead of 000 when the first meter 
registers higher than 1 initially?  If that's your ...water which is 0.4... 
thing then I'll have to do some reading up.

 

Example:  My records show the Com100uS reading has to exceed 2.6 before the 
ComTDS3 reading moves from 000 to 001ppm.

 

As most meters are set up or calibrated taking a water temperature compensating 
factor into account, would this also have a bearing on the apparant different 
readings from one manufacturers meter to another?  Meaning, not only the 
calibration fluid used, but also the built in temperature compensation may have 
an influence on the reading of a uS meter compared to a ppm or TDS meter as 
stated above?

 

Example:  My records show the ComTDS3 *always* shows a higher water temperature 
of DW straight from the bottle anywhere between 1 to 1.8 degrees compared to 
the Com100uS meter, is the aforesaid an explanation for that?

 

Curiously, after EIS/CS production that temperature difference in the majority 
of cases seems to reduce after the solution has been in storage for a while, 
like down to 1 degree or lower, I find it rather strange that it doesn't remain 
the same difference as it was straight from the bottle.

 

N.
 
 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 23:14:28 -0400
 From: mdud...@king-cart.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CS Distilled Water of .000
 
 On 10/1/2010 9:16 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
  OK.
 
  Not that I'm overly concerned with meter readings particularly but 
  here are some figures if they are of any value.
 With some of these one could certainly get 0, since they lack the 
 resolution to measure less than 1. For water which is 0.4 of what they 
 are measuring they would measure:
  ..
 
  Com ec/tds/temp...resolution ec 0-99: .1uS, 100-999: 1uS
  #I don't use the tds function.
 0.4
 
  Com tds3...range 0-9990ppm (mg/L)
 0
 
  Hanna tds1...range 0-999ppm (mg/L), resolution 1ppm
 0.
 
 That is why it is so important to know what the resolution is when water 
 is highly non conductive. I do my measurement with a meter that has a 
 resolution of .1 uS, and thus have never seen 0. If I were to use one 
 of the other meters I would see 0 all the time, but they would not 
 really be 0, just lower than the resolution of the instrument.
 
 Marshall

RE: CSSilver particles on bottom of jar


What about 'repelled?'  If I understand the process correctly, doesn't it 
require a minimum voltage to cause the silver to be 'repelled' from the 
electrode in the form of ions?

 

As those ions are in constant rapid movement in the water {I believe that's 
called Zeta potential} they collide with each other and some 'stick' to each 
other {I believe that's called van der Waals force of mutual 
attraction/repulsion} forming atomic clusters of those silver ions...commonly 
referred to as 'particles', and as some may collide more than others that's 
where larger 'particles?' are formed.

 

Howzat Sir/Maam?  Am I close? Do I get a star? g

 

N.
 
 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 20:36:03 -0700
 From: marmar...@bellsouth.net
 Subject: Re: CSSilver particles on bottom of jar
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 
 Hi Dan.  Thanks for that information.  I was using (and have been, for years) 
 a 
 term that is used in my CS manual for describing the process by which silver 
 particles leave the electrodes.  Oddly enough -- when I Googled it, they 
 didn't 
 even have that word spelled that way.  They have he word *sinter* -- and it 
 does 
 have a different meaning, you're right.  I will check a dictionary as well.
 
 So -- OK -- large particles of silver aren't disseminated (howzat?) from the 
 electrodes *as* large particles, but the rapid dissemination results in 
 agglomeration which becomes large particles.  Right?
 
 MA
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
  From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
  
  First of all, scinter or scintering is the wrong word for what you
  are trying to describe.  It is inappropriate to use that word in this
  context.  Look it up in a dictionary, or Google it.
  
  Even so, I don't believe that large particles of silver are undercut
  and break off the electrodes in any significant way.
  
  On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:34 AM, MaryAnn Helland
  marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:
   Hi Jan.  Usually when there is silver laying at the bottom of the jar, 
   that
   is silver that scintered off the silver bars too fast, and is therefore 
   too
   large-particle to remain suspended in the distilled water.  It could have
   been aided by some kind of film on the interior of the jar, or something
   less than perfect in the distilled water.
 
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Re: CS Dee - Home Distiller ?

2010-10-02 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

I am in the UK and got a counter top distiller which was under a £100  . Its 
called an OdeV and I am really pleased with it.  I just put boil my tap water 
(which reads 288 now on the TDS) and then put it in the distiller.  I always 
just tip off the very first bit that comes off too and I have a consistent 
reading of 0 on the TDS meter.  I know this is not super accurate, but it 
produces consistently clear CS so is fine for me.  I believe the Love distiller 
is the equivalent machine in the US.  dee

On 2 Oct 2010, at 01:07, Costumes wrote:

 Dee,
 How do you distill your own water ??
 Did you buy a distiller, or just boil/steam your water on the stove ???
  
 Do you start out with tap water, or spring water  
   jan
 My home distilled water comes in at 0 on a TDS meter.  dee


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RE: CSSilver particles on bottom of jar

2010-10-02 Thread Ode Coyote




  The silver comes off the electrode as ions with a + charge.
The other electrode produces OH- anions
If an ion finds an anion it makes a silver hydroxide particle
If it finds an Oxygen atom..silver oxide
If it picks up an electron from an air/water/electrode interface or jar 
surface...metallic silver particle


None of the particles have a repelling charge other than a very weak 
negative Vandervals force easily overcome by kinetic collisions.
Over saturation of ions, very high concentrations mostly in localized 
zones, mostly in the very tight Nernst Diffusion Layer at the electrode 
surface, will force the growth of crystals around a particle as its 
nucleus..usually an oxide particle.


I think it takes at least 1.2 volts to make silver ions.

Ode



At 05:43 PM 10/2/2010 +1030, you wrote:
What about 'repelled?'  If I understand the process correctly, doesn't it 
require a minimum voltage to cause the silver to be 'repelled' from the 
electrode in the form of ions?


As those ions are in constant rapid movement in the water {I believe 
that's called Zeta potential} they collide with each other and some 
'stick' to each other {I believe that's called van der Waals force of 
mutual attraction/repulsion} forming atomic clusters of those silver 
ions...commonly referred to as 'particles', and as some may collide more 
than others that's where larger 'particles?' are formed.


Howzat Sir/Maam?  Am I close? Do I get a star? g

N.

 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 20:36:03 -0700
 From: marmar...@bellsouth.net
 Subject: Re: CSSilver particles on bottom of jar
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com

 Hi Dan.  Thanks for that information.  I was using (and have been, for 
years) a
 term that is used in my CS manual for describing the process by which 
silver
 particles leave the electrodes.  Oddly enough -- when I Googled it, 
they didn't
 even have that word spelled that way.  They have he word *sinter* -- 
and it does

 have a different meaning, you're right.  I will check a dictionary as well.

 So -- OK -- large particles of silver aren't disseminated (howzat?) 
from the

 electrodes *as* large particles, but the rapid dissemination results in
 agglomeration which becomes large particles.  Right?

 MA



 - Original Message 
  From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
 
  First of all, scinter or scintering is the wrong word for what you
  are trying to describe.  It is inappropriate to use that word in this
  context.  Look it up in a dictionary, or Google it.
 
  Even so, I don't believe that large particles of silver are undercut
  and break off the electrodes in any significant way.
 
  On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:34 AM, MaryAnn Helland
  marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:
   Hi Jan.  Usually when there is silver laying at the bottom of the 
jar, that
   is silver that scintered off the silver bars too fast, and is 
therefore too
   large-particle to remain suspended in the distilled water.  It 
could have
   been aided by some kind of film on the interior of the jar, or 
something

   less than perfect in the distilled water.

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Re: CSSilver particles on bottom of jar

OK -- I have checked the dictionary.  The word *scinter* may have been coined 
from the word *scintilla* which means small particle, a trace.    So - the 
noun *scintilla* was possibly extrapolated into the verb *scinter*.  ???  I 
dunno -- works OK for me!  Better than *scintillaed*, *scintillas*, etc. -- LOL!
MA 



- Original Message 
 From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 10:36:03 PM
 Subject: Re: CSSilver particles on bottom of jar
 
 Hi Dan.  Thanks for that information.  I was using (and have been, for years) 
 a 

 term that is used in my CS manual for describing the process by which silver 
 particles leave the electrodes.  Oddly enough -- when I Googled it, they 
 didn't 

 even have that word spelled that way.  They have he word *sinter* -- and it 
does 

 have a different meaning, you're right.  I will check a dictionary as well.
 
 So -- OK -- large particles of silver aren't disseminated (howzat?) from the 
 electrodes *as* large particles, but the rapid dissemination results in 
 agglomeration which becomes large particles.  Right?    
 
 MA
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
  From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
  
  First of all, scinter or scintering is the wrong word for what you
  are trying to describe.  It is inappropriate to use that word in this
  context.  Look it up in a dictionary, or Google it.
  
  Even so, I don't believe that large particles of silver are undercut
  and break off the electrodes in any significant way.
  
  On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:34 AM, MaryAnn Helland
  marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:
   Hi Jan.  Usually when there is silver laying at the bottom of the jar, 
that
   is silver that scintered off the silver bars too fast, and is therefore 
too
   large-particle to remain suspended in the distilled water.  It could have
   been aided by some kind of film on the interior of the jar, or something
   less than perfect in the distilled water.
 
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Re: CSRebuttal from ABC

Another gem!!  Thanks Steve!  :-)
MA



- Original Message 
 From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com
 
 The presence of silver in hair is not indicative that horses are carrying 
harmful  silver loads. Silver deposited in the tissues have been shown to be 
harmless. This is well documented in literature. You are trying to defend 
against a false premise to begin with. I would think a Biochemist would know 
to 
check the facts first. Silver appears to be unique in this. It is not the 
same, 
for example, with many essential elements such as selenium. In those instances 
hair analysis can be useful.  

   
 On the other side of the arguement, I put a lot of effort into researching 
 what 
is known regarding argryia. Unfortunately there is not enough known. The 
problem 
is that you cannot monitor the body's functions down to sub cellular functions 
as they occur. But I have not come across anything that supports the theory of 
large particles becomming lodged in the tissues. Metallic silver has been 
found 
in the tissues but researcher's best guess is that ionic forms of silver such 
as 
silver nitrate and protein bound silver are reduced to metallic silver while 
in 
the cell by other substsnces such as ascorbic acid. Silver nitrate is well 
known 
for giving up metallic silver when acted on by other substances and that is 
one 
reason to avoid it. I would also avoid MSP for the same reason. 

 
 I also spent a lot of effort studying how silver is eliminated from the body 
and that has some relevence to finding silver in hair but I think discussing 
ot 
would more just muddy the waters and that is not what you need. 

 
 But back to my original point, I think the moderator's conclusion based on 
 her 
hair analysis work is wrong and you are off chasing a red herring. 

 
 I also agree with Marshall that the person from ABL doesn't know what he is 
talking about when he equates ionic silver with large particles. That is so 
bizzare that it boggles the mind. Unforfunately just the fact the he works at 
ABL will give him undeserved credentials in the view of many unschooled in 
silver. 

 
 Regards,
         Steve N
 
 - Original Message -
 From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net]
 
 
 Steve -- at this point, the information won't be going to the other list.  
 The 

 moderator has *taken it private* to *protect me from embarrassment* (smile).  
 I'll honor her effort by returning the favor.  What I'll do after all is said 
 and done, is make a post to the other list summarizing the information that 
 ws 

 provided to the moderator -- and I'll try to do that without embarrassing 
 HER.  

 So -- your post is just fine for the current purposes.  I didn't like the 
 attitude of the writer either -- it's very hard to overcome that 
 ignorance/arrogance when you're dealing with someone who believes it.  
 
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Re: CSOn a personal note............

2010-10-02 Thread ZZekelink

MA, you and your husband are in our prayers. Going to  light a candle-- Lois
_Light A Candle -  Birthday candles, Virtual candles, Votive candles, 
Memorial c_ (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?l=eng)  
 
My husband is at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio right now.  He will have 
open-heart surgery on Tuesday (aortic valve replacement and  cardiac 
myeomectomy). I'll be driving there on Monday to be there for the  surgery, 
and 
will remain in Cleveland while he's in the hospital. Of course,  I'm 
worried 
about the surgery itself, but I'm more worried about the  opportunities for 
infections while he's there. So I'm taking a gallon of CS  -- is that 
enough? 
I'd also like to take some CS gel (courtesy of Ode's  kit). I don't know 
how the 
hospital staff would feel about an unknown gel  product on the incision 
itself, 
so I may not get that done until we're out  of there. Any advice from 
anyone 
will be greatly appreciated.
MA

Re: CSOn a personal note............

2010-10-02 Thread needling around

Hi Lois,
Thank you for this link.  What a wonderful concept.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: zzekel...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 11:08 AM
  Subject: Re: CSOn a personal note

  MA, you and your husband are in our prayers. Going to light a candle-- Lois
  Light A Candle - Birthday candles, Virtual candles, Votive candles, Memorial 
c 

  My husband is at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio right now. He will have 
  open-heart surgery on Tuesday (aortic valve replacement and cardiac 
  myeomectomy). I'll be driving there on Monday to be there for the surgery, 
and 
  will remain in Cleveland while he's in the hospital. Of course, I'm worried 
  about the surgery itself, but I'm more worried about the opportunities for 
  infections while he's there. So I'm taking a gallon of CS -- is that enough? 
  I'd also like to take some CS gel (courtesy of Ode's kit). I don't know how 
the 
  hospital staff would feel about an unknown gel product on the incision 
itself, 
  so I may not get that done until we're out of there. Any advice from anyone 
  will be greatly appreciated.
  MA

Re: CSOn a personal note............

2010-10-02 Thread Jane MacRoss

Depends what method they're using - keyhole or opening the rib cage - do you 
know? (As to the size of the wound)

Highly unlikely the wound will be uncovered to allow anyone other than in 
actual surgery to put anything on it at all - wait til you get him home and 
then use it, internally  externally. If you had hoped for this to be used in 
surgery it is very unlikely - unless he is allergic they usually still use 
Betadine or some Iodine based preparations.

Prayer from us here too

xxx
Jane   (RN)

http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth
~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~
  - Original Message - 
  From: needling around 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:37 AM
  Subject: Re: CSOn a personal note


  Hi Lois,
  Thank you for this link.  What a wonderful concept.
  PT
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From: zzekel...@aol.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: CSOn a personal note


MA, you and your husband are in our prayers. Going to light a candle-- Lois
Light A Candle - Birthday candles, Virtual candles, Votive candles, 
Memorial c 

My husband is at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio right now. He will have 
open-heart surgery on Tuesday (aortic valve replacement and cardiac 
myeomectomy). I'll be driving there on Monday to be there for the surgery, 
and 
will remain in Cleveland while he's in the hospital. Of course, I'm worried 
about the surgery itself, but I'm more worried about the opportunities for 
infections while he's there. So I'm taking a gallon of CS -- is that 
enough? 
I'd also like to take some CS gel (courtesy of Ode's kit). I don't know how 
the 
hospital staff would feel about an unknown gel product on the incision 
itself, 
so I may not get that done until we're out of there. Any advice from anyone 
will be greatly appreciated.
MA 



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Re: CSOn a personal note............

2010-10-02 Thread Robert L. Booth

Use the power of thought and hands of God and place what ever you  want to on 
his incision  if  it is for his highest good.  I infuse God's Divine Love into 
this situation  Thank You , Thank You, Thank You. 
 Robert
--- On Sat, 10/2/10, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote:

From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net
Subject: Re: CSOn a personal note
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 10:48 AM

Depends what method they're using - keyhole or opening the rib cage - do you 
know? (As to the size of the wound)

Highly unlikely the wound will be uncovered to allow anyone other than in 
actual surgery to put anything on it at all - wait til you get him home and 
then use it, internally  externally. If you had hoped for this to be used in 
surgery it is very unlikely - unless he is allergic they usually still use 
Betadine or some Iodine based preparations.

Prayer from us here too

xxx
Jane   (RN)

    http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth
~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~

- Original Message - 
From: needling around 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: CSOn a personal note

Hi Lois,
Thank you for this link.  What a wonderful concept.
PT

- Original Message - 
From: zzekel...@aol.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: CSOn a personal note

MA, you and your husband are in our prayers. Going to light a candle-- Lois
Light A Candle - Birthday candles, Virtual candles, Votive candles, Memorial c 

My husband is at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio right now. He will have 
open-heart surgery on Tuesday (aortic valve replacement and cardiac 
myeomectomy). I'll be driving there on Monday to be there for the surgery, and 
will remain in Cleveland while he's in the hospital. Of course, I'm worried 
about the surgery itself, but I'm more worried about the opportunities for 
infections while he's there. So I'm taking a gallon of CS -- is that enough? 
I'd also like to take some CS gel (courtesy of Ode's kit). I don't know how the 
hospital staff would feel about an unknown gel product on the incision itself, 
so I may not get that done until we're out of there. Any advice from anyone 
will be greatly appreciated.
MA 

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Re: CS Distilled Water of .000

2010-10-02 Thread Marshall Dudley


 On 10/2/2010 2:57 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
Oh, I think I see.  I would have thought that if one meter which has 
resolution increments of '.1' shows a reading *higher* than '1.', then 
the meter which reads in increments of 1 would display 1 instead of 
000 when the first meter registers higher than 1 initially?
That is true generally. But when you add in accuracy it might still give 
a zero, if for instance it has an accuracy of .5 and thinks the water is 
reading .4 because it is off .5 on the accuracy.
  If that's your ...water which is 0.4... thing then I'll have to do 
some reading up.


Example:  My records show the Com100uS reading has to exceed 2.6 
before the ComTDS3 reading moves from 000 to 001ppm
That makes sense.  2.6 on uS will be equivalent to 1.3 on the TDS, and 
if the accuracy is no better than .3, than that is quite possible.

.

As most meters are set up or calibrated taking a water temperature 
compensating factor into account, would this also have a bearing on 
the apparant different readings from one manufacturers meter to another? 

It can, that would reflect in the accuracy or precision/repeatability.
Meaning, not only the calibration fluid used, but also the built in 
temperature compensation may have an influence on the reading of a uS 
meter compared to a ppm or TDS meter as stated above?
Yes, the calibration fluid and water being tested need to be at the same 
temperature.


Example:  My records show the ComTDS3 *always* shows a higher water 
temperature of DW straight from the bottle anywhere between 
1 to 1.8 degrees compared to the Com100uS meter, is the aforesaid an 
explanation for that?
A constant offset should not be that significant in being a problem as 
long as both are calibrated and used at the same temperature.


Curiously, after EIS/CS production that temperature difference in the 
majority of cases seems to reduce after the solution has been in 
storage for a while, like down to 1 degree or lower, I find it rather 
strange that it doesn't remain the same difference as it was straight 
from the bottle.
It is quite possible that aggregation is endothermic (in fact if you 
have two particles colliding that stick together, then you will have 
less kinetic motion, and thus possibly a reduction in temperature).


Marshall


N.

 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 23:14:28 -0400
 From: mdud...@king-cart.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CS Distilled Water of .000

 On 10/1/2010 9:16 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
  OK.
 
  Not that I'm overly concerned with meter readings particularly but
  here are some figures if they are of any value.
 With some of these one could certainly get 0, since they lack the
 resolution to measure less than 1. For water which is 0.4 of what they
 are measuring they would measure:
  ..
 
  Com ec/tds/temp...resolution ec 0-99: .1uS, 100-999: 1uS
  #I don't use the tds function.
 0.4
 
  Com tds3...range 0-9990ppm (mg/L)
 0
 
  Hanna tds1...range 0-999ppm (mg/L), resolution 1ppm
 0.

 That is why it is so important to know what the resolution is when 
water

 is highly non conductive. I do my measurement with a meter that has a
 resolution of .1 uS, and thus have never seen 0. If I were to use one
 of the other meters I would see 0 all the time, but they would not
 really be 0, just lower than the resolution of the instrument.

 Marshall
 



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RE: CSOn a personal note............

2010-10-02 Thread Dianne France


MA-
When my husband was in for by-pass surgery I took my cs every day in a water 
type bottle.
That way no questions were asked.  I also took my small sprayer and after they 
prepped him
for surgery and left the room I then sprayed his chest very well with the cs 
and did not dry
it off so it could sit there a few.  I sprayed him multiple times everyday 
after surgery and there 
were infections in other rooms but he fortunately did not get it.  They may 
give you a problem 
about the gel.
 
I also made sure that I used a lot of cs on myself whenever I was taking care 
of him.  He is
doing great at this time and prayers were answered.  We will keep you in our 
prayers for
your husband.  Watching your husband go thru something like this isn't easy.  
Dianne

 

 
 
My husband is at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio right now. He will have 
open-heart surgery on Tuesday (aortic valve replacement and cardiac 
myeomectomy). I'll be driving there on Monday to be there for the surgery, and 
will remain in Cleveland while he's in the hospital. Of course, I'm worried 
about the surgery itself, but I'm more worried about the opportunities for 
infections while he's there. So I'm taking a gallon of CS -- is that enough? 
I'd also like to take some CS gel (courtesy of Ode's kit). I don't know how the 
hospital staff would feel about an unknown gel product on the incision itself, 
so I may not get that done until we're out of there. Any advice from anyone 
will be greatly appreciated.
MA

Re: CSOn a personal note............

I consider that a bunch of obscene bull shit.
Keep it to your self, except place whatever you want to on his incision
Dave

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Robert L. Booth zebulan5...@yahoo.comwrote:

Use the power of thought and hands of God and place what ever you want toon
his incision if it is for his highest good. I infuse God's Divine
Love into this situation Thank You , Thank You, Thank You.
Robert
--- On *Sat, 10/2/10, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net* wrote:

From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net

Subject: Re: CSOn a personal note
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 10:48 AM

Depends what method they're using - keyhole or opening the rib cage - do
you know? (As to the size of the wound)

Highly unlikely the wound will be uncovered to allow anyone other than in
actual surgery to put anything on it at all - wait til you get him home and
then use it, internally externally. If you had hoped for this to be used
in surgery it is very unlikely - unless he is allergic they usually still
use Betadine or some Iodine based preparations.

Prayer from us here too

xxx
Jane (RN)

http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth
~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~

- Original Message -
*From:* needling
aroundhttp://us.mc533.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ptf2...@bellsouth.net
*To:*
silver-list@eskimo.comhttp://us.mc533.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:37 AM
*Subject:* Re: CSOn a personal note

Hi Lois,
Thank you for this link. What a wonderful concept.
PT

- Original Message -
*From:*
zzekel...@aol.comhttp://us.mc533.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zzekel...@aol.com
*To:*
silver-list@eskimo.comhttp://us.mc533.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Saturday, October 02, 2010 11:08 AM
*Subject:* Re: CSOn a personal note

*MA, you and your husband are in our prayers. Going to light a candle--
Lois*
Light A Candle - Birthday candles, Virtual candles, Votive candles,
Memorial c http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?l=eng

My husband is at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio right now. He will have
open-heart surgery on Tuesday (aortic valve replacement and cardiac
myeomectomy). I'll be driving there on Monday to be there for the surgery,
and
will remain in Cleveland while he's in the hospital. Of course, I'm worried

about the surgery itself, but I'm more worried about the opportunities for
infections while he's there. So I'm taking a gallon of CS -- is that
enough?
I'd also like to take some CS gel (courtesy of Ode's kit). I don't know how
the
hospital staff would feel about an unknown gel product on the incision
itself,
so I may not get that done until we're out of there. Any advice from anyone

will be greatly appreciated.
MA

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Re: CSOn a personal note............

2010-10-02 Thread Robert L. Booth

If you wish to send obscenities on the net reap the repercussion.

--- On Sat, 10/2/10, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: CSOn a personal note
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 1:05 PM

I consider that a bunch of obscene bull shit.
Keep it to your self, except  place whatever you want to on his incision
Dave 

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Robert L. Booth zebulan5...@yahoo.com wrote:

Use the power of thought and hands of God and place what ever you  want to on 
his incision  if  it is for his highest good.  I infuse God's Divine Love into 
this situation  Thank You , Thank You, Thank You. 
 Robert
--- On Sat, 10/2/10, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote:

From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net 

Subject: Re: CSOn a personal note

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 10:48 AM 

Depends what method they're using - keyhole or opening the rib cage - do you 
know? (As to the size of the wound)

Highly unlikely the wound will be uncovered to allow anyone other than in 
actual surgery to put anything on it at all - wait til you get him home and 
then use it, internally  externally. If you had hoped for this to be used in 
surgery it is very unlikely - unless he is allergic they usually still use 
Betadine or some Iodine based preparations.

Prayer from us here too

xxx
Jane   (RN)

    http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth
~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~

- Original Message - 
From: needling around 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: CSOn a personal note

Hi Lois,
Thank you for this link.  What a wonderful concept.
PT

- Original Message - 
From: zzekel...@aol.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: CSOn a personal note

MA, you and your husband are in our prayers. Going to light a candle-- Lois
Light A Candle - Birthday candles, Virtual candles, Votive candles, Memorial c 

My husband is at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio right now. He will have 
open-heart surgery on Tuesday (aortic valve replacement and cardiac 
myeomectomy). I'll be driving there on Monday to be there for the surgery, and 
will remain in Cleveland while he's in the hospital. Of course, I'm worried 
about the surgery itself, but I'm more worried about the opportunities for 
infections while he's there. So I'm taking a gallon of CS -- is that enough? 
I'd also like to take some CS gel (courtesy of Ode's kit). I don't know how the 
hospital staff would feel about an unknown gel product on the incision itself, 
so I may not get that done until we're out of there. Any advice from anyone 
will be greatly appreciated.
MA 

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CSremove from list

2010-10-02 Thread Robert L. Booth

Please take me off this list.  Thank you.
 
Robert Booth

Re: CSVORTEX BLENDER EXPERIMENT TO STRUCTURE WATER

2010-10-02 Thread Dick Rochon

Thanks Renee for your prompt reply. 

Peter's water magnetizer shown on www.biomagscience.net is stable, I mean not 
vortexed. Don't know whether that makes any difference, but otherwise why 
blender or vortex it? And if spinning it is more effective maybe it stays 
stabalized longer than 12 hours.

Anyone?

Dick
  - Original Message - 
  From: Renee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 9:48 PM
  Subject: Re: CSVORTEX BLENDER EXPERIMENT TO STRUCTURE WATER


According to Peter Kulish, magnet expert at www.biomagscience.net 
magnetized water will stay magnetized for 12 hours, as it slowly reverts back 
to the natural magnetic spin of the earth.  

I have no idea if the vortex changes this.  We (Peter and I) talked of 
this 12 hour period when discussing water run past a magnet on a faucet or my 
Berkey filter.

Samala,
Renee 




---Original Message---

Oh, I remember what I wanted to ask the group. After structuring the 
water, or wine, with the blender or vortex, how long does it stay magnetized? 
Can I keep it for days, or weeks, or should it be used the same day?

Re: CSremove from list

2010-10-02 Thread needling around


  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert L. Booth 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 2:25 PM
  Subject: CSremove from list


Please take me off this list.  Thank you.

Robert Booth

Re: CSremove from list

Now maybe you understand why Mike says to keep religion off the list.
By the way take me off this list doesn't unsubscribe you.
Dave

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Robert L. Booth zebulan5...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Please take me off this list.  Thank you.

 Robert Booth

Re: CSOn a personal note............

Gladly!
Dave

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Robert L. Booth zebulan5...@yahoo.comwrote:

If you wish to send obscenities on the net reap the repercussion.

--- On *Sat, 10/2/10, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com* wrote:

From: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: CSOn a personal note
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 1:05 PM

I consider that a bunch of obscene bull shit.
Keep it to your self, except place whatever you want to on his incision
Dave

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Robert L. Booth
zebulan5...@yahoo.comhttp://us.mc533.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zebulan5...@yahoo.com
wrote:

Use the power of thought and hands of God and place what ever you want
to on his incision if it is for his highest good. I infuse God's
Divine Love into this situation Thank You , Thank You, Thank You.
Robert
--- On *Sat, 10/2/10, Jane MacRoss
highfie...@internode.on.nethttp://us.mc533.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=highfie...@internode.on.net
* wrote:

From: Jane MacRoss
highfie...@internode.on.nethttp://us.mc533.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=highfie...@internode.on.net

Subject: Re: CSOn a personal note
To:
silver-list@eskimo.comhttp://us.mc533.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 10:48 AM

Depends what method they're using - keyhole or opening the rib cage - do
you know? (As to the size of the wound)

Prayer from us here too

xxx
Jane (RN)

http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth
~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~

Hi Lois,
Thank you for this link. What a wonderful concept.
PT

will be greatly appreciated.
MA

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Re: CSremove from list

2010-10-02 Thread needling around

As one who has spent years studying it, I would hardly call what was offered 
religion and I, personally, did not find it offensive... merely a kindness 
offered from one list member to another.
Rev. PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dave Darrin 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 3:26 PM
  Subject: Re: CSremove from list


  Now maybe you understand why Mike says to keep religion off the list.
  By the way take me off this list doesn't unsubscribe you.
  Dave


  On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Robert L. Booth zebulan5...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

  Please take me off this list.  Thank you.

  Robert Booth

Re: CSDave Darrin remove from list

2010-10-02 Thread Sandy

No doubt I'll regret this but just so you know, Dave what Robert said was in no 
way religious...it was spiritual. Had he invoked the name of a church or some 
church doctrine oe was trying to force his views on you then you could consider 
that religious. You might want to learn the difference.

Besides, from what I can tell Robert was not addressing his comment to you.

Doesn't Mike also have some sort of rule about being civil?

Sandy

--- On Sat, 10/2/10, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote:


Now maybe you understand why Mike says to keep religion off the list.
By the way take me off this list doesn't unsubscribe
 you.
Dave


 


  







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CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #808

2010-10-02 Thread Melly Bag

Mary Ann,
 
Whenever someone in our family is hospitalized, we bring Lysol (we didn't have 
CS then) to the room and spray every single item we can see, i.e., bed frames, 
bed tables, chairs, bathroom floors and walls, sinks, toilets, etc., we also 
clean glasses and water pitchers with hydrogen peroxide.  We also made sure 
that the nurses who came near the patient had gloves and masks on.
 
Will keep you and your hubby in our prayers.
 
Take care, be strong and try not to show him you worry. 
 
Melly

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silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:


From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #808
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 3:27 PM

Re: CSOn a personal note............

2010-10-02 Thread Brickeyk

 
In a message dated 10/1/2010 7:49:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:

Were the bottles glass, or plastic?
MA




plastic

Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #808

2010-10-02 Thread Costumes

Another idea is to put everyone (inc the patient) on Olive Oil Leaf. 
   jan


  Mary Ann,

  Whenever someone in our family is hospitalized, we bring Lysol (we didn't 
have CS then) to the room and spray every single item we can see, i.e., bed 
frames, bed tables, chairs, bathroom floors and walls, sinks, toilets, etc., we 
also clean glasses and water pitchers with hydrogen peroxide.  We also made 
sure that the nurses who came near the patient had gloves and masks on.

  Will keep you and your hubby in our prayers.

  Take care, be strong and try not to show him you worry. 

  Melly

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Re: CSremove from list

2010-10-02 Thread kaykelly


me too; please remove me from this list. thank you, kay kelly
-Original Message- From: "Robert L. Booth" Sent: Oct 2, 2010 2:25 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSremove from list 




Please take me off this list. Thank you.

Robert Booth




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RE: CS Distilled Water of .000


Thanks very much for that Marshall, much appreciated.

 

On re-reading my comments I did notice two oversights on my part, I forgot 
about the accuracy % factor in meters, and I overlooked the stupidly simple uS 
and TDS equivalent or conversion, sorry about that.  My constant oversights of 
the simple and obvious are quite frustrating at times.

 

A final comment if you will, as your closing comment was significant to a 
thought which has been rattling around in my head for some time...endothermics.

 

I've considered for some time that the action of ions colliding in an aqueous 
solution must generate some form of energy as they break through that energy 
barrier or Nernst or double layer surrounding the ion, and the result of those 
impacts could only generate one form of energy...heat.  It would not be the 
actual impact of those ions or particles necessarily which generates energy as 
positive and negative simply attract as a natural law of unlike poles 
attracting, but rather it would be the friction created via the *breaking 
through of that energy barrier* which surrounds the ion.  Would that assumption 
be correct?

 

N.

 

 
 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 13:11:00 -0400
 From: mdud...@king-cart.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CS Distilled Water of .000
 
 On 10/2/2010 2:57 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
  Oh, I think I see. I would have thought that if one meter which has 
  resolution increments of '.1' shows a reading *higher* than '1.', then 
  the meter which reads in increments of 1 would display 1 instead of 
  000 when the first meter registers higher than 1 initially?
 That is true generally. But when you add in accuracy it might still give 
 a zero, if for instance it has an accuracy of .5 and thinks the water is 
 reading .4 because it is off .5 on the accuracy.
  If that's your ...water which is 0.4... thing then I'll have to do 
  some reading up.
 
  Example: My records show the Com100uS reading has to exceed 2.6 
  before the ComTDS3 reading moves from 000 to 001ppm
 That makes sense. 2.6 on uS will be equivalent to 1.3 on the TDS, and 
 if the accuracy is no better than .3, than that is quite possible.
  .
 
  As most meters are set up or calibrated taking a water temperature 
  compensating factor into account, would this also have a bearing on 
  the apparant different readings from one manufacturers meter to another? 
 It can, that would reflect in the accuracy or precision/repeatability.
  Meaning, not only the calibration fluid used, but also the built in 
  temperature compensation may have an influence on the reading of a uS 
  meter compared to a ppm or TDS meter as stated above?
 Yes, the calibration fluid and water being tested need to be at the same 
 temperature.
 
  Example: My records show the ComTDS3 *always* shows a higher water 
  temperature of DW straight from the bottle anywhere between 
  1 to 1.8 degrees compared to the Com100uS meter, is the aforesaid an 
  explanation for that?
 A constant offset should not be that significant in being a problem as 
 long as both are calibrated and used at the same temperature.
 
  Curiously, after EIS/CS production that temperature difference in the 
  majority of cases seems to reduce after the solution has been in 
  storage for a while, like down to 1 degree or lower, I find it rather 
  strange that it doesn't remain the same difference as it was straight 
  from the bottle.
 It is quite possible that aggregation is endothermic (in fact if you 
 have two particles colliding that stick together, then you will have 
 less kinetic motion, and thus possibly a reduction in temperature).
 
 Marshall

Re: CSOn a personal note............

Thanks Brickey -- I have a small collection of plastic water bottles ready to 
go!
MA

From: brick...@aol.com brick...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 3:56:50 PM
Subject: Re: CSOn a personal note

In a message dated 10/1/2010 7:49:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:
Were the bottles glass, or plastic?
MA

plastic

Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #808

Thanks Jan.
MA



From: Costumes costu...@dnet.net


Another idea is to put everyone (inc the patient) on Olive Oil Leaf. 
   jan 


Mary Ann,

Whenever someone in our family is hospitalized, we bring Lysol (we didn't have 
CS then) to the room and spray every single item we can see, i.e., bed frames, 
bed tables, chairs, bathroom floors and walls, sinks, toilets, etc., we also 
clean glasses and water pitchers with hydrogen peroxide.  We also made sure 
that 
the nurses who came near the patient had gloves and masks on.

Will keep you and your hubby in our prayers.

Take care, be strong and try not to show him you worry. 

Melly

Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #808

Thanks Melly!  I've got plenty of CS and a spray bottle!!

Appreciate your thoughts, and your spiritual efforts on our behalf.
Mary Ann

From: Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 3:40:03 PM
Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #808

Mary Ann,

Whenever someone in our family is hospitalized, we bring Lysol (we didn't have 
CS then) to the room and spray every single item we can see, i.e., bed frames, 
bed tables, chairs, bathroom floors and walls, sinks, toilets, etc., we also 
clean glasses and water pitchers with hydrogen peroxide.  We also made sure 
that 
the nurses who came near the patient had gloves and masks on.

Will keep you and your hubby in our prayers.

Take care, be strong and try not to show him you worry. 

Melly

--- On Sat, 10/2/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:

From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #808
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 3:27 PM

CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #808

2010-10-02 Thread Costumes

 make that  Olive Leaf Oil  ... 


Thanks Jan.
MA


--

  Another idea is to put everyone (inc the patient) on Olive Oil Leaf. 
 jan 
--

Mary Ann,

Whenever someone in our family is hospitalized, we bring Lysol (we 
didn't have CS then) to the room and spray every single item we can see, i.e., 
bed frames, bed tables, chairs, bathroom floors and walls, sinks, toilets, 
etc., we also clean glasses and water pitchers with hydrogen peroxide.  We also 
made sure that the nurses who came near the patient had gloves and masks on.

Will keep you and your hubby in our prayers.

Take care, be strong and try not to show him you worry. 

Melly

Re: CSDave Darrin remove from list

Not any particular religion but religion never the less. Get real!
Dave

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote:

 No doubt I'll regret this but just so you know, Dave what Robert said was
 in no way religious...it was spiritual. Had he invoked the name of a church
 or some church doctrine oe was trying to force his views on you then you
 could consider that religious. You might want to learn the difference.

 Besides, from what I can tell Robert was not addressing his comment to you.

 Doesn't Mike also have some sort of rule about being civil?

 Sandy

 --- On Sat, 10/2/10, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote:


 Now maybe you understand why Mike says to keep religion off the list.
 By the way take me off this list doesn't unsubscribe
  you.
 Dave













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