CSneed info on silver NOT killing beneficial bacteria
I'm guessing people might be busy with the holidays right now, but I need some information quickly. Do any of you good folks have access to studies showing that colloidal silver does NOT kill beneficial bacteria? There have been posts on this list that silver DOES kill beneficial bacteria-because it does not distinguish between one-celled friends and one-celled foes-but a health practitioner friend of mine says differently. He writes: [beginning of quote] The subject about colloidal silver killing beneficial gut flora is an ongoing debate, between the people or groups who oppose to CS and to those who support it. All I can do is state the facts. 1) Anaerobic bacteria and nitrogen consuming bacteria that are pathological have THIN cell membranes, this is a known fact. 2) Beneficial bacteria which are aerobic i.e. oxygen breathing in nature have THICK cell membranes, which also is a known fact. 3) just like Royal Rife mentioned each bacteria and virus has a frequency at which their cell membranes can rupture, the pathological bacteria carry a different frequency range than the beneficial bacteria. Silver emits a frequency band that destroys the pathological bacteria but not the beneficial ones. According to many researches, colloidal silver does not destroy beneficial bacteria, due to the thick cell membranes that do not rupture, where as the cell membranes of pathological bacteria does rupture. Also it has been reported in studies that the beneficial micro flora INCREASES when consuming colloidal silver. I have personally done blood sample tests on myself, family members, friends and voluntary patients with respect to colloidal silver. Each person involved in the study, had a blood sample taken before consuming CS then another blood sample taken 1 week later where all subjects had consumed CS as instructed within that week between the two blood tests, i.e. 10ml, 3 times a day. Once the results came back from each test subject including myself, in EVERY case red blood cell count increased, hemoglobin count increased, white blood cell count increased and the platelet count also increased, i.e. indicating increased immunity and oxygen levels. [end of quote] If someone could take some time to comment on this-and especially to find some research papers that either substantiate or support these claims-I would be very grateful. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD electromedicine specialist and author The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009) The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004) http://www.nenahsylver.com www.nenahsylver.com
Re: CSneed info on silver NOT killing beneficial bacteria
I'm guessing people might be busy with the holidays right now, but I need some information quickly. Do any of you good folks have access to studies showing that colloidal silver does NOT kill beneficial bacteria? Dear Nenah, I won't be able to give you any scholarly citations, but I'll happily recap the consensus opinion... As far as we know, silver will kill any bacterium, regardless of cell morphology, if it gets into contact with it. The only known exceptions to this are strains of bacteria that have been detected near silver deposits in the ground -- and *they* lose their adaptation to high-silver environments within a very few generations of removal from those conditions. It's not a true resistance. The important word in the first paragraph is, 'contact.' The silver has to be able to reach the pathogen in order to kill it. In a liquid medium, silver performs superbly against all types, while in a solid or semi-solid medium, kill rates and percentages will be much lower to negligible unless very large amounts are used. An example of this was early confusion over why agar-plate tests tended to show spotty results. When the tests were repeated using nutrient broth as a medium, silver performance was consistently superb. The idea that silver spares good bacteria is, I believe, an attempt to explain observed performance that falls short of identifying the actual mechanism of action... The intestines and colon are filled with faeces that is generally not in a liquid state. Mobility is normally low. Silver that makes it into the gut, either passing through without having been absorbed, or being excreted via the liver, does not have the opportunity to reach the entire volume of the medium and tends to kill at much lower rates. On the other hand, in conditions such as food poisoning or dysintery, when bowel contents are in fact liquid, one can achieve very good kill rates and overall performance, resulting in a rapid cure. I can personally attest to the fact that if you take enough CS to overwhelm the friendly flora it *will* kill it! During one episode, I had been taking very large doses of CS for a number of days. I began to suffer extensive, bone-deep aches and pains throughout my major muscle groups, going so far as to threaten my ability to walk. When I discovered that my symptoms were identical to acute calcium deficiency and that calcium absorption is facilitated by the normal bacterial flora in the intestines, I resolved my problems within an hour or two by taking a bio-available calcium supplement. I then proceeded to rebuild my flora and fully recovered. So, when you're sick, with bad bugs in the gut, CS is able to get to them to kill them. When you're healthy, any reasonable dose of CS will be sufficiently immobilized in the semi-solid medium of normal bowel contents so as to be relatively ineffective in attacking the good bugs. Thus, you have the appearance of CS favoring one kind of bacteria over another. But, take enough CS to kill 'em despite the mobility issue, and the good bugs will be destroyed just as effectively, with the same potential for complications that always accompany the over-use of anti- microbials. I don't personally know whether there is *some* difference in kill rates between bacteria with different cell wall types, or any other distinctions, either, but I believe such effects are far outstripped by the question of mobility and ability to contact the pathogen. I hope that explanation is persuasive. Perhaps other members have some references at hand as well. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSneed info on silver NOT killing beneficial bacteria
Hey Mike, how large is very large? On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:00 AM, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: I can personally attest to the fact that if you take enough CS to overwhelm the friendly flora it *will* kill it! During one episode, I had been taking *very large* doses of CS for a number of days. I began to suffer extensive, bone-deep aches and pains throughout my major muscle groups, going so far as to threaten my ability to walk. -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
Re: CSneed info on silver NOT killing beneficial bacteria
Marshall explains selective killing via particle charge... http://silver-lightning.com/research.html Chuck My doctor recently told me that jogging could add years to my life. I think he was right. I feel ten years older already. On 12/30/2010 7:24:02 AM, Nenah Sylver (nenahsyl...@cox.net) wrote: Im guessing people might be busy with the holidays right now, but I need some information quickly. Do any of you good folks have access to studies showing that colloidal silver does NOT kill beneficial bacteria? There have been posts on this list that silver DOES kill beneficial bacteriabecause it does not distinguish between one-celled friends and one-celled foesbut a health practitioner friend of mine says differently. He writes: [beginning of quote] The subject about colloidal silver killing beneficial -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSneed info on silver NOT killing beneficial bacteria
Thanks, Chuck. This is exactly what I've been looking for. Best, Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD electromedicine specialist and author The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009) The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004) www.nenahsylver.com www.rifehandbook.com CHECK OUT MY NEW VIDEO! http://www.nenahsylver.com/video_crash_course_in_frequency_therapy.html http://www.nenahsylver.com = -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSneed info on silver NOT killing beneficial bacteria Marshall explains selective killing via particle charge... http://silver-lightning.com/research.html Chuck My doctor recently told me that jogging could add years to my life. I think he was right. I feel ten years older already.
CSIm new...Hello! A little help please1
Hi all! For the last year or so, i have used mesosilver and utopia silver, with pos. results. However, it is too expensive! I decided to buy a silvergen sg6 i should have it in a few days. Im sure the daily mainenance dosage is different from the two CS i listed above. Can somebody please give me reccommended dosages for the sg6? I would like to know the dosage amount for colds, stomache bugs, and a preventive dosage. Your help would be greatly appriciated! Also, for those who own the silvergen sg6, i would love any advice, or tips for the unit. Such as, which jars to use, ideal room temperature, and lighting for making a batch? And anything else that may be usefull to a newbi at making CS! Thank you Much!
Re: CSneed info on silver NOT killing beneficial bacteria
I think internally CS will not distinguish Good Bacteria from Bad, that is why I take a probiotic when I am using CS as a swish rinse in my mouth and swallowing, for many days at a time. Kefir is cheap, and has tons of good bacteria. Take 30 min. after the CS. It will bring you to a balance. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. From: Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 5:24:02 AM Subject: CSneed info on silver NOT killing beneficial bacteria I’m guessing people might be busy with the holidays right now, but I need some information quickly. Do any of you good folks have access to studies showing that colloidal silver does NOT kill beneficial bacteria? There have been posts on this list that silver DOES kill beneficial bacteria—because it does not distinguish between one-celled friends and one-celled foes—but a health practitioner friend of mine says differently. He writes: [beginning of quote] The subject about colloidal silver killing beneficial gut flora is an ongoing debate, between the people or groups who oppose to CS and to those who support it. All I can do is state the facts. 1) Anaerobic bacteria and nitrogen consuming bacteria that are pathological have THIN cell membranes, this is a known fact. 2) Beneficial bacteria which are aerobic i.e. oxygen breathing in nature have THICK cell membranes, which also is a known fact. 3) just like Royal Rife mentioned each bacteria and virus has a frequency at which their cell membranes can rupture, the pathological bacteria carry a different frequency range than the beneficial bacteria. Silver emits a frequency band that destroys the pathological bacteria but not the beneficial ones. According to many researches, colloidal silver does not destroy beneficial bacteria, due to the thick cell membranes that do not rupture, where as the cell membranes of pathological bacteria does rupture. Also it has been reported in studies that the beneficial micro flora INCREASES when consuming colloidal silver. I have personally done blood sample tests on myself, family members, friends and voluntary patients with respect to colloidal silver. Each person involved in the study, had a blood sample taken before consuming CS then another blood sample taken 1 week later where all subjects had consumed CS as instructed within that week between the two blood tests, i.e. 10ml, 3 times a day. Once the results came back from each test subject including myself, in EVERY case red blood cell count increased, hemoglobin count increased, white blood cell count increased and the platelet count also increased, i.e. indicating increased immunity and oxygen levels. [end of quote] If someone could take some time to comment on this—and especially to find some research papers that either substantiate or support these claims—I would be very grateful. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD electromedicine specialist and author The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009) The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004) www.nenahsylver.com
Re: CSneed info on silver NOT killing beneficial bacteria
JIM COMMENTS Who is the He at the beginning of your message? I would like to see documentation on the blood work. I concur with Mike. And, the Brigham Young study did not find any bacteria that were not immobilized, good guys included. If you drink enough to get it far enough down the tube without any solids, it will kill all the flora, causing diarrhea. Jim On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com wrote: I think internally CS will not distinguish Good Bacteria from Bad, that is why I take a probiotic when I am using CS as a swish rinse in my mouth and swallowing, for many days at a time. Kefir is cheap, and has tons of good bacteria. Take 30 min. after the CS. It will bring you to a balance. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. -- *From:* Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thu, December 30, 2010 5:24:02 AM *Subject:* CSneed info on silver NOT killing beneficial bacteria I’m guessing people might be busy with the holidays right now, but I need some information quickly. Do any of you good folks have access to studies showing that colloidal silver does NOT kill beneficial bacteria? There have been posts on this list that silver DOES kill beneficial bacteria—because it does not distinguish between one-celled friends and one-celled foes—but a health practitioner friend of mine says differently. He writes: [beginning of quote] The subject about colloidal silver killing beneficial gut flora is an ongoing debate, between the people or groups who oppose to CS and to those who support it. All I can do is state the facts. 1) Anaerobic bacteria and nitrogen consuming bacteria that are pathological have THIN cell membranes, this is a known fact. 2) Beneficial bacteria which are aerobic i.e. oxygen breathing in nature have THICK cell membranes, which also is a known fact. 3) just like Royal Rife mentioned each bacteria and virus has a frequency at which their cell membranes can rupture, the pathological bacteria carry a different frequency range than the beneficial bacteria. Silver emits a frequency band that destroys the pathological bacteria but not the beneficial ones. According to many researches, colloidal silver does not destroy beneficial bacteria, due to the thick cell membranes that do not rupture, where as the cell membranes of pathological bacteria does rupture. Also it has been reported in studies that the beneficial micro flora INCREASES when consuming colloidal silver. I have personally done blood sample tests on myself, family members, friends and voluntary patients with respect to colloidal silver. Each person involved in the study, had a blood sample taken before consuming CS then another blood sample taken 1 week later where all subjects had consumed CS as instructed within that week between the two blood tests, i.e. 10ml, 3 times a day. Once the results came back from each test subject including myself, in EVERY case red blood cell count increased, hemoglobin count increased, white blood cell count increased and the platelet count also increased, i.e. indicating increased immunity and oxygen levels. [end of quote] If someone could take some time to comment on this—and especially to find some research papers that either substantiate or support these claims—I would be very grateful. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD electromedicine specialist and author The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009) The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004) www.nenahsylver.com
Re: CSFOUND: Our Mightiest Germ Fighter, Science Digest March 1978
Send me a copy, please. Jim On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net wrote: My librarian friend secured a scan of the original for me of “Our Mightiest Germ Fighter” from Science Digest, March 1978. If anyone wants a copy as a pdf file, email me and I’ll send it to you. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD electromedicine specialist and author The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009) The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004) www.nenahsylver.com
Re: CSFOUND: Our Mightiest Germ Fighter, Science Digest March 1978
Jim, You can get it here: http://www.itsmyplace.com/uploads/SILVER_germ_fighter_SD_March_1978.pdf Craig Jim Holmes wrote: Send me a copy, please. Jim -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFOUND: Our Mightiest Germ Fighter, Science Digest March 1978
It's also here = http://www.cs.kestar.com.au/scidi78.pdf Smitty ~~~ On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Craig Chamberlin craigs...@craigcchamberlin.com wrote: Jim, You can get it here: http://www.itsmyplace.com/uploads/SILVER_germ_fighter_SD_March_1978.pdf Craig Jim Holmes wrote: Send me a copy, please. Jim -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSneed info on silver NOT killing beneficial bacteria
Most information available in the public domain is simply copied and pasted from the multitude of info out there. For clarification purposes, could the following be noted: 1) Are we referring to LVDC produced EIS/CS? Meaning it's mostly ionic silver as opposed to true silver colloids produced by some other means, and/or marketed as simply 'CS'? 2)10ml consumed by oral consumption? intravenous? sublingually by absorption under the tongue or swallowed straight down? 3) What was the conductivity reading of that 10ml? 4)Could you define, quote, ...consumed CS as instructed... end quote. What specifically were those 'instructions'? There's plenty of talk in the public domain, and most things I find have been said before, but most fall a tad short in both clarification and detail. Example: My daily intake of around 30ml LVDC 10-14uS EIS/CS over several years has never interferred with any of my 'friendly flora'. Of course, I've only supplied half the information that would be required to make it a useful testimonial, or anecdotal evidence of something. This is what I mean, more information needs to be divulged before any assumptions or yardsticks can be applied to this stuff. EIS/CS is not some miracle cure-all, and not everyone consumes the same product in all details. Not nitpicking either, but much more detail needs to be supplied if looking for *factual* information as opposed to more anecdotal or testimonial evidence is to be of any use. Can't just say one consumed 'x' amount of 'CS? and be of any value or use to anyone. There's a whole multitude of information that needs to go with that statement for it to be of any *real* value. N. From: nenahsyl...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 05:24:02 -0700 Subject: CSneed info on silver NOT killing beneficial bacteria Also it has been reported in studies that the beneficial micro flora INCREASES when consuming colloidal silver. I have personally done blood sample tests on myself, family members, friends and voluntary patients with respect to colloidal silver. Each person involved in the study, had a blood sample taken before consuming CS then another blood sample taken 1 week later where all subjects had consumed CS as instructed within that week between the two blood tests, i.e. 10ml, 3 times a day. Once the results came back from each test subject including myself, in EVERY case red blood cell count increased, hemoglobin count increased, white blood cell count increased and the platelet count also increased, i.e. indicating increased immunity and oxygen levels. [end of quote] If someone could take some time to comment on this—and especially to find some research papers that either substantiate or support these claims—I would be very grateful. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD electromedicine specialist and author The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009) The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004) www.nenahsylver.com
CSHelp with distiller
Hi, Thanks for everyone who replied so nicely to me about the issues of PTSD. Someone gave me a Kenmore Countertop Water Purifier which apparently is a distiller. Thing is I don't know how to use it and the web turns up nothing - I couldn't find anything anywhere. It works with a fan and the boiling method. I have no idea about these things - and what I need to know. Does someone have experience with this particular machine or with a similar one? Is it ok to make CS with the water it produces? Take care, Joy -- http://www.wishlistr.com/bluestarkachina/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
