RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
OK, class is in g, maybe you can answer these for me James. (1) Does LVDC equipment actually produce *true metallic* silver particles? A percentage of Ag+ ions are lost to particle formation consisting of a number of those ions clustering together to form that particle. (2) Can I assume our product actually contains three (3) types of silver, i.e. Ag+ ions, ion clusters which have formed particles, and actual stand alone genuine metallic particles? (3) How is an actual metallic silver particle formed, and how is it produced if there are no ions 'at all' in the solution? Maybe a question (4), how do their particles differ from ours in structure or formation when/if using the electrolysis process? I probly should clarify that I am referring to LVDC produced products such as we make in our kitchens. I believe purchased products are generally produced using HVDC or HVAC methods which I would assume would still contain a percentage of ions along with the particles, maybe in far less numbers perhaps, but present all the same? If there are no ions at all present, then how do they get metallic particles *only* without any ions? Thanks N. Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 22:09:08 -0700 From: kscma...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda To: silver-list@eskimo.com Capping just would reduce the amount of CS exposed to stomach acid before moving onward.. IS(Ionic Silver) does not bunch up to make CS(Colloidal Silver). CS is metallic silver particules, no ions at all! When taking CS for a while you would want to take a probiotic about 1 to 2 hours after the CS. There is no doubt that IS CS help! I have over 20 people who directly can atest to this. As with everything the dose must be approate to the application and the person.
Re: CSToenail Fungus
Can I get this in the UK Tara and if so where from? Many thanks. dee From: 123 456 whiteol...@gmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 06:57:27 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSToenail Fungus Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 03:57:26 -0700 Hey, everyone, I keep saying this and mayb, just MAYbe someone will eventually try this. The Muscadine grape seed lotions kill fungus because it has two (2) extra chromosomes in teh seed for exactly that function... to kill fungal growth. I use the lotion (trans dermal herbal therapy) on my clients feet (I am a certified Reflexologist BTW) and in a few days they start to see the moons on their toe nails and NO fungus recurring. Just a thought. Tara -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSToenail Fungus/Melly
Cracked brittle nails do you think this is always a fungal problem? I just thought it was hereditary? My toe nails are totally crippled awful- only moons anywhere on hands or feet are on the thumbs, which are very vertically ridged so much so they often split - again I assumed with was hereditary? Biotin hasn't really helped yet. Any suggestions? (homeopathy hasn't helped either with Causticum Graphites) I was hoping that diatomaceous earth might help but I so rarely have cold drinks I haven't really started taking it yet. Jane From: Melly Bag Tea Tree Oil should be good for fungus IF you use a carrier oil. From the post i read the best carrier oil to use is Jojoba Oil because it is very thin and can get through the nails. I did use it on my very brittle cracked nails on my hands and it seems to help, the problem is i kept forgetting to apply regularly. Melly
Re: CSToenail Fungus/Melly
In a message dated 11/2/2012 8:02:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
highfie...@internode.on.net writes:
Cracked brittle nails do you think this is always a fungal problem? I
just thought it was hereditary? My toe nails are totally crippled awful-
only moons anywhere on hands or feet are on the thumbs, which are very
vertically ridged so much so they often split - again I assumed with was
hereditary? Biotin hasn't really helped yet. Any suggestions? (homeopathy
hasn't
helped either with Causticum Graphites)
I was hoping that diatomaceous earth might help but I so rarely have
cold drinks I haven't really started taking it yet. Jane
Hi Jane, when I got cancer, my fingernails were very soft would break
off easly-- I did a search found that { I know sounds crazy }--that wearing
sandstone would strengthen fingernails.. I went out in the field found
some sandstone drilled a hole in a small piece wore it as a necklace. {
still do }...My nails are very strong It took about a month for them to
change. Here are a few sites I found during my search.-- Lois
1-_Discovery Health How Fingernails Work_
(http://health.howstuffworks.com/skin-care/nail-care/health/fingernails.htm)
-2- _Slide show: 7
fingernail problems not to ignore - MayoClinic.com_
(http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nails/WO00055) -3- _What Causes Ridges
in Fingernails and What
You Can Do About Them - Yahoo! Voic_
(http://voices.yahoo.com/what-causes-ridges-fingernails-can-782677.html?cat=70)
Re: CSToenail Fungus/Melly
Hi Jane, What kind of shoes do you wear? I have the cracking issue with a few of my nails and found they are the ones that hit the tops of my shoes when I walk. The podiatrist said it was an impact issue? I know this isn't the case with your fingernails but it makes me think outside the box ... is there anything you have your hands in a great deal that could be attacking the nails/nailbeds? You might want to research nails in terms of organs/glands and see which ones contribute to nail health and then check to see what you might do to support those organ/glands. Just thinking outloud. PT From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, November 2, 2012 9:00:30 AM Subject: Re: CSToenail Fungus/Melly Cracked brittle nails do you think this is always a fungal problem? I just thought it was hereditary? My toe nails are totally crippled awful- only moons anywhere on hands or feet are on the thumbs, which are very vertically ridged so much so they often split - again I assumed with was hereditary? Biotin hasn't really helped yet. Any suggestions? (homeopathy hasn't helped either with Causticum Graphites) I was hoping that diatomaceous earth might help but I so rarely have cold drinks I haven't really started taking it yet. Jane From: Melly Bag Tea Tree Oil should be good for fungus IF you use a carrier oil. From the post i read the best carrier oil to use is Jojoba Oil because it is very thin and can get through the nails. I did use it on my very brittle cracked nails on my hands and it seems to help, the problem is i kept forgetting to apply regularly. Melly
Re: CSToenail Fungus/Melly
Hi Lois,
Where does one find sandstone?
Thanks.
PT
From: zzekel...@aol.com zzekel...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, November 2, 2012 9:02:47 AM
Subject: Re: CSToenail Fungus/Melly
In a message dated 11/2/2012 8:02:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
highfie...@internode.on.net writes:
Cracked brittle nails do youthink this is always a fungal problem? I just
thought it was hereditary?My toe nails are totally crippled awful- only
moons anywhere on hands orfeet are on the thumbs, which are very vertically
ridged so much so they oftensplit - again I assumed with was hereditary?
Biotin hasn't really helpedyet. Any suggestions? (homeopathy hasn't helped
eitherwith Causticum Graphites)
I was hoping thatdiatomaceous earth might help but I so rarely have
cold
drinks I haven'treally started taking it yet. Jane
Hi Jane, when I got cancer, my fingernails were very soft would break off
easly-- I did a search found that { I know sounds crazy }--that wearing
sandstone would strengthen fingernails.. I went out in the field found some
sandstone drilled a hole in a small piece wore it as a necklace. { still
do
}...My nails are very strong It took about a month for them to change. Here
are a few sites I found during my search.-- Lois
1-Discovery Health How Fingernails Work -2- Slide show: 7 fingernail
problems not to ignore - MayoClinic.com -3- What Causes Ridges in
Fingernails and What You Can Do About Them - Yahoo! Voic
Re: CSToenail Fungus/Melly
In a message dated 11/2/2012 9:28:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ptf2...@bellsouth.net writes: Hi Lois, Where does one find sandstone? Thanks. PT Hi PT, You can find it all over in the fields here in upstate NY. It is a very soft brown stone can be scratched drilled very easily.. If you don't live where you can find it I'll send you a piece. I've made necklaces for several of my friends. It's real easy... Lois
Re: CSToenail Fungus/Melly Sandstone? Sorry forgot to change subject line
In a message dated 11/2/2012 9:35:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, zzekel...@aol.com writes: Hi Lois, Where does one find sandstone? Thanks. PT Hi PT, You can find it all over in the fields here in upstate NY. It is a very soft brown stone can be scratched drilled very easily.. If you don't live where you can find it I'll send you a piece. I've made necklaces for several of my friends. It's real easy... Lois
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
Yes LVDC makes true CS, you must use a reducing agent for complete reduction Ag ions are reduced to the metallic silver, Ag ions will not clump together by themselves because they have a like charge+ Check in with cgcsforum for more complete info From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 2:33 AM Subject: RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda OK, class is in g, maybe you can answer these for me James. (1) Does LVDC equipment actually produce *true metallic* silver particles? A percentage of Ag+ ions are lost to particle formation consisting of a number of those ions clustering together to form that particle. (2) Can I assume our product actually contains three (3) types of silver, i.e. Ag+ ions, ion clusters which have formed particles, and actual stand alone genuine metallic particles? (3) How is an actual metallic silver particle formed, and how is it produced if there are no ions 'at all' in the solution? Maybe a question (4), how do their particles differ from ours in structure or formation when/if using the electrolysis process? I probly should clarify that I am referring to LVDC produced products such as we make in our kitchens. I believe purchased products are generally produced using HVDC or HVAC methods which I would assume would still contain a percentage of ions along with the particles, maybe in far less numbers perhaps, but present all the same? If there are no ions at all present, then how do they get metallic particles *only* without any ions? Thanks N. Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 22:09:08 -0700 From: kscma...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda To: silver-list@eskimo.com Capping just would reduce the amount of CS exposed to stomach acid before moving onward.. IS(Ionic Silver) does not bunch up to make CS(Colloidal Silver). CS is metallic silver particules, no ions at all! When taking CS for a while you would want to take a probiotic about 1 to 2 hours after the CS. There is no doubt that IS CS help! I have over 20 people who directly can atest to this. As with everything the dose must be approate to the application and the person.
Re: CSToenail Fungus
What brand of lotion do you use? Terry 123 456 whiteol...@gmail.com wrote: = Hey, everyone, I keep saying this and mayb, just MAYbe someone will eventually try this. The Muscadine grape seed lotions kill fungus because it has two (2) extra chromosomes in teh seed for exactly that function... to kill fungal growth. I use the lotion (trans dermal herbal therapy) on my clients feet (I am a certified Reflexologist BTW) and in a few days they start to see the moons on their toe nails and NO fungus recurring. Just a thought. Tara On 11/1/12, Zoe W mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Thank you Marshall, Years ago I used WD-40 to ease my arthritis pain, it worked really well,but I never understood why. Of course in those days DMSO meant nothing to me either. You have helped solve a mysterious puzzle for me. zoe From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012, 10:22 Subject: Re: CSToenail Fungus Thinking out loud here. WD40 is made up of a lubricant oil plus a carrier for that oil for penetration. The oil itself is pretty thin but still not sufficient since they add a carrier which is DMSO. Seems DMSO would be the best choice to me. Marshall On 10/31/2012 9:18 PM, mgperrault wrote: On 10/31/2012 5:55 PM, Melly Bag wrote: Tea Tree Oil should be good for fungus IF you use a carrier oil. From the post i read the best carrier oil to use is Jojoba Oil because it is very thin and can get through the nails. I did use it on my very brittle cracked nails on my hands and it seems to help, the problem is i kept forgetting to apply regularly. Melly Are you sure tee tree isnt itself a carrier oil? Why is jojoba better exactly? Is clove oil a carrier oil? how about oregano? Is Emu really the ultimate carrier oil? If carrying is what we want, why not DMSO? DMSO has a smell that is not attractivedoes this mean the body has an aversion to it? A drop on my table melted the finish right off. Seems pretty potent. How about peanut and castor oils? (Cayce and others) How do we know we are saying something truthful, or just repeating something somebody else said who doesnt know either? Anyway, I read tee tree is a low viscosity carrier oil that slips between the skin cells This and the DIY LET lists sure have a lot of posts! Everyone thanks everyone and then thanks them for thanking them, and then a dont mention it added on before another your so dearits difficult to keep up with it. Your welcome. no, please,.dont mention it. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5365 - Release Date: 10/31/12 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSToenail Fungus
Yes, tell, tell!! - Original Message - From: slickpic...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: 123 456 whiteol...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:49 AM Subject: Re: CSToenail Fungus What brand of lotion do you use? Terry 123 456 whiteol...@gmail.com wrote: = Hey, everyone, I keep saying this and mayb, just MAYbe someone will eventually try this. The Muscadine grape seed lotions kill fungus because it has two (2) extra chromosomes in teh seed for exactly that function... to kill fungal growth. I use the lotion (trans dermal herbal therapy) on my clients feet (I am a certified Reflexologist BTW) and in a few days they start to see the moons on their toe nails and NO fungus recurring. Just a thought. Tara On 11/1/12, Zoe W mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Thank you Marshall, Years ago I used WD-40 to ease my arthritis pain, it worked really well,but I never understood why. Of course in those days DMSO meant nothing to me either. You have helped solve a mysterious puzzle for me. zoe From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012, 10:22 Subject: Re: CSToenail Fungus Thinking out loud here. WD40 is made up of a lubricant oil plus a carrier for that oil for penetration. The oil itself is pretty thin but still not sufficient since they add a carrier which is DMSO. Seems DMSO would be the best choice to me. Marshall On 10/31/2012 9:18 PM, mgperrault wrote: On 10/31/2012 5:55 PM, Melly Bag wrote: Tea Tree Oil should be good for fungus IF you use a carrier oil. From the post i read the best carrier oil to use is Jojoba Oil because it is very thin and can get through the nails. I did use it on my very brittle cracked nails on my hands and it seems to help, the problem is i kept forgetting to apply regularly. Melly Are you sure tee tree isnt itself a carrier oil? Why is jojoba better exactly? Is clove oil a carrier oil? how about oregano? Is Emu really the ultimate carrier oil? If carrying is what we want, why not DMSO? DMSO has a smell that is not attractivedoes this mean the body has an aversion to it? A drop on my table melted the finish right off. Seems pretty potent. How about peanut and castor oils? (Cayce and others) How do we know we are saying something truthful, or just repeating something somebody else said who doesnt know either? Anyway, I read tee tree is a low viscosity carrier oil that slips between the skin cells This and the DIY LET lists sure have a lot of posts! Everyone thanks everyone and then thanks them for thanking them, and then a dont mention it added on before another your so dearits difficult to keep up with it. Your welcome. no, please,.dont mention it. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5365 - Release Date: 10/31/12 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNail Fungus
MGP, All i can say is that when i applied the combo of tea tree oil and jojoba oil, i saw it disappear, so it was absorbed, after a few minutes. My nails had improved. Had i not forgotten to continue treatment, i am sure it would have healed nicely. I stopped using nail polish as most in the market now have toulene. Terpentenes are so drying, if the nails are dry all the more it would crack if you use terp. I tried coconut oil without any other oil as it is touted as antifungal and no dice. Another thing, it is easier to penetrate the skin than the nail. As i originally said jojoba is very thin, it could penetrate the nail. In my experience, if i make cream with beeswax, the wax stays visible on top of the skin while vco is absorbed by skin. Melly How about tea tree? tea tree contains several terpenoids of which terpinen-4-ol shows a favorable skin penetration. One study starts out saying this; Since its introduction, transdermal drug delivery has promised much but, in some respects has still to deliver on that initial promise, due to inherent limitations imposed by the percutaneous route. The greatest obstacle for transdermal delivery is the barrier property of the stratum corneum. Many approaches have been employed to breach the skin barrier, of which, the most widely used one is that of chemical penetration enhancers. Of the penetration enhancers, terpenes are arguably the most highly advanced and proven category and are classified as generally regarded as safe (GRAS) by the Food and Drug Administration Terpenes are included in the list of Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) substances and have low irritancy potential. Their mechanism of percutaneous permeation enhancement involves increasing the solubility of drugs in skin lipids, disruption of lipid/protein organization and/or extraction of skin micro constituents that are responsible for maintenance of barrier status. Hence, they appear to offer great promise for use in transdermal formulations. This article is aimed at reviewing the mechanisms responsible for percutaneous permeation enhancement activity of terpenes, which shall foster their rational use in transdermal formulations. The thing about tea tree however is that it will likely evaporate before significant penetration occurs. Use of an occlusion method may therefor increase its therapeutic action. Perhaps jojoba or coconut would retard the evaporation and perhaps increase the penetration by other means. It is said that jojoba is more like a wax than an oil. An ointment made with bees wax might increase the occlusion and reduce evaporation rate even further. Coconut has anti fungal properties and so a combination of coconut, bees wax, oregano and tea tree might be good. Another study on transdermal drug delivery found that of lemon grass oil, eucalyptus, menthol and clove, that clove oil had the highest penetration enhancement. Since clove is also antibiotic, it could be useful. Perhaps clove, or any combination of clove, oregano, tea tree incorporated into a bees wax base with the viscosity controlled by coconut and or jojoba oil could make a useful ointment. This is what I do and it seems effective for many skin problems although I havent tried it on nail infections There are medicated nail lacquers that are said to be effective with minimal side effects. One could just go with it, or try to make their own by using tee trea, clove, oregano and some kind of lacquer. The constant exposure and diffusion of the actives is the benefit of the lacquer, so this could have some value
CS Brittle nail problems,etc
Go to “iherb” and search for Hylands Silicea 6X # 12 ,the best we have found for skin eruptions,bad nails and hair..Basically more than likely there is a deficiency of the mineral Silica.There are other combinations in their line up which may be of benefit too. Harold
Re: CSToenail Fungus
Hi, Tara Can you tell me where you get your Muscadine grape seed lotions? My son has severe case of fungus nailsl. Does it work also on callus? Helen --- On Fri, 11/2/12, 123 456 whiteol...@gmail.com wrote: From: 123 456 whiteol...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CSToenail Fungus To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 3:57 AM Hey, everyone, I keep saying this and mayb, just MAYbe someone will eventually try this. The Muscadine grape seed lotions kill fungus because it has two (2) extra chromosomes in teh seed for exactly that function... to kill fungal growth. I use the lotion (trans dermal herbal therapy) on my clients feet (I am a certified Reflexologist BTW) and in a few days they start to see the moons on their toe nails and NO fungus recurring. Just a thought. Tara On 11/1/12, Zoe W mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Thank you Marshall, Years ago I used WD-40 to ease my arthritis pain, it worked really well,but I never understood why. Of course in those days DMSO meant nothing to me either. You have helped solve a mysterious puzzle for me. zoe From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012, 10:22 Subject: Re: CSToenail Fungus Thinking out loud here. WD40 is made up of a lubricant oil plus a carrier for that oil for penetration. The oil itself is pretty thin but still not sufficient since they add a carrier which is DMSO. Seems DMSO would be the best choice to me. Marshall On 10/31/2012 9:18 PM, mgperrault wrote: On 10/31/2012 5:55 PM, Melly Bag wrote: Tea Tree Oil should be good for fungus IF you use a carrier oil. From the post i read the best carrier oil to use is Jojoba Oil because it is very thin and can get through the nails. I did use it on my very brittle cracked nails on my hands and it seems to help, the problem is i kept forgetting to apply regularly. Melly Are you sure tee tree isnt itself a carrier oil? Why is jojoba better exactly? Is clove oil a carrier oil? how about oregano? Is Emu really the ultimate carrier oil? If carrying is what we want, why not DMSO? DMSO has a smell that is not attractivedoes this mean the body has an aversion to it? A drop on my table melted the finish right off. Seems pretty potent. How about peanut and castor oils? (Cayce and others) How do we know we are saying something truthful, or just repeating something somebody else said who doesnt know either? Anyway, I read tee tree is a low viscosity carrier oil that slips between the skin cells This and the DIY LET lists sure have a lot of posts! Everyone thanks everyone and then thanks them for thanking them, and then a dont mention it added on before another your so dearits difficult to keep up with it. Your welcome. no, please,.dont mention it. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5365 - Release Date: 10/31/12 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Brittle nail problems,etc
It never worked for me. PT From: Harold har...@telus.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, November 2, 2012 2:43:51 PM Subject: CS Brittle nail problems,etc Go to “iherb” and search for Hylands Silicea 6X # 12 ,the best we have found for skin eruptions,bad nails and hair..Basically more than likely there is a deficiency of the mineral Silica.There are other combinations in their line up which may be of benefit too. Harold
CSToe Nail FUngus
Jane, I don't know the cause. Some say fungal infection and yet some say lack of vitamin B. I took B complex, did not work, took biotin, did not work either. It did improve on the TeaTree + Jojoba oil. It used to be just on my right thumb, but now it looks my hands' fingers and toenails are having vertical lines as well. Could it possibly be dehydratin as well, i don't know. I have to get back on using tea tree and jojoba again. Melly
Re: CSNail Fungus
Melly I follow you, noting you had the promise of good results, if only you had not forgotten to continue treatment. Thats good. Its perhaps worth clarifying that the actives in tea tree (especially terpinen-4-ol) are quickly evaporated and the wax was thought to slow down the evaporation and allow a continual application which seems to be important. We might think that something was absorbed when a large part of it simply evaporated. As long as you have some pungent wax visible, some of the actives are perfusing out, but an application of volatile oils may have simply evaporated instead of being absorbed. The barrier function of skin is so good that many of the volatiles in essential oils like tea tree barely make it through. So slow diffusion through the nail and skin might be the answer for the people that didnt have the same promising results you have. Im not convinced that jojoba can penetrate the nail which is like plastic. But maybe you are right. Imagine a bottle made of nail material, you could probably store oil in itseems like. The terpines in tea tree seem like they could get through easier than the oil, if only they didnt evaporate first! On 11/2/2012 10:57 AM, Melly Bag wrote: MGP, All i can say is that when i applied the combo of tea tree oil and jojoba oil, i saw it disappear, so it was absorbed, after a few minutes. My nails had improved. Had i not forgotten to continue treatment, i am sure it would have healed nicely. I stopped using nail polish as most in the market now have toulene. Terpentenes are so drying, if the nails are dry all the more it would crack if you use terp. I tried coconut oil without any other oil as it is touted as antifungal and no dice. Another thing, it is easier to penetrate the skin than the nail. As i originally said jojoba is very thin, it could penetrate the nail. In my experience, if i make cream with beeswax, the wax stays visible on top of the skin while vco is absorbed by skin. Melly How about tea tree? tea tree contains several terpenoids of which terpinen-4-ol shows a favorable skin penetration. One study starts out saying this; Since its introduction, transdermal drug delivery has promised much but, in some respects has still to deliver on that initial promise, due to inherent limitations imposed by the percutaneous route. The greatest obstacle for transdermal delivery is the barrier property of the stratum corneum. Many approaches have been employed to breach the skin barrier, of which, the most widely used one is that of chemical penetration enhancers. Of the penetration enhancers, terpenes are arguably the most highly advanced and proven category and are classified as generally regarded as safe (GRAS) by the Food and Drug Administration Terpenes are included in the list of Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) substances and have low irritancy potential. Their mechanism of percutaneous permeation enhancement involves increasing the solubility of drugs in skin lipids, disruption of lipid/protein organization and/or extraction of skin micro constituents that are responsible for maintenance of barrier status. Hence, they appear to offer great promise for use in transdermal formulations. This article is aimed at reviewing the mechanisms responsible for percutaneous permeation enhancement activity of terpenes, which shall foster their rational use in transdermal formulations. The thing about tea tree however is that it will likely evaporate before significant penetration occurs. Use of an occlusion method may therefor increase its therapeutic action. Perhaps jojoba or coconut would retard the evaporation and perhaps increase the penetration by other means. It is said that jojoba is more like a wax than an oil. An ointment made with bees wax might increase the occlusion and reduce evaporation rate even further. Coconut has anti fungal properties and so a combination of coconut, bees wax, oregano and tea tree might be good. Another study on transdermal drug delivery found that of lemon grass oil, eucalyptus, menthol and clove, that clove oil had the highest penetration enhancement. Since clove is also antibiotic, it could be useful. Perhaps clove, or any combination of clove, oregano, tea tree incorporated into a bees wax base with the viscosity controlled by coconut and or jojoba oil could make a useful ointment. This is what I do and it seems effective for many skin problems although I havent tried it on nail infections There are medicated nail lacquers that are said to be effective with minimal side effects. One could just go with it, or try to make their own by using tee trea, clove, oregano and some kind of lacquer. The constant exposure and diffusion of the actives is the benefit of the lacquer, so this could have some value
Re: CSNail Fungus
Hmmm.. I wonder if a few drops of DMSO in the mix might enhance penetration. After all, that is what DMSO is spectacular at. Lola H. On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:31 PM, mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com wrote: Melly I follow you, noting you had the promise of good results, if only you had not forgotten to continue treatment. Thats good. Its perhaps worth clarifying that the actives in tea tree (especially terpinen-4-ol) are quickly evaporated and the wax was thought to slow down the evaporation and allow a continual application which seems to be important. We might think that something was absorbed when a large part of it simply evaporated. As long as you have some pungent wax visible, some of the actives are perfusing out, but an application of volatile oils may have simply evaporated instead of being absorbed. The barrier function of skin is so good that many of the volatiles in essential oils like tea tree barely make it through. So slow diffusion through the nail and skin might be the answer for the people that didnt have the same promising results you have. Im not convinced that jojoba can penetrate the nail which is like plastic. But maybe you are right. Imagine a bottle made of nail material, you could probably store oil in itseems like. The terpines in tea tree seem like they could get through easier than the oil, if only they didnt evaporate first! On 11/2/2012 10:57 AM, Melly Bag wrote: MGP, All i can say is that when i applied the combo of tea tree oil and jojoba oil, i saw it disappear, so it was absorbed, after a few minutes. My nails had improved. Had i not forgotten to continue treatment, i am sure it would have healed nicely. I stopped using nail polish as most in the market now have toulene. Terpentenes are so drying, if the nails are dry all the more it would crack if you use terp. I tried coconut oil without any other oil as it is touted as antifungal and no dice. Another thing, it is easier to penetrate the skin than the nail. As i originally said jojoba is very thin, it could penetrate the nail. In my experience, if i make cream with beeswax, the wax stays visible on top of the skin while vco is absorbed by skin. Melly How about tea tree? tea tree contains several terpenoids of which terpinen-4-ol shows a favorable skin penetration. One study starts out saying this; Since its introduction, transdermal drug delivery has promised much but, in some respects has still to deliver on that initial promise, due to inherent limitations imposed by the percutaneous route. The greatest obstacle for transdermal delivery is the barrier property of the stratum corneum. Many approaches have been employed to breach the skin barrier, of which, the most widely used one is that of chemical penetration enhancers. Of the penetration enhancers, terpenes are arguably the most highly advanced and proven category and are classified as generally regarded as safe (GRAS) by the Food and Drug Administration Terpenes are included in the list of Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) substances and have low irritancy potential. Their mechanism of percutaneous permeation enhancement involves increasing the solubility of drugs in skin lipids, disruption of lipid/protein organization and/or extraction of skin micro constituents that are responsible for maintenance of barrier status. Hence, they appear to offer great promise for use in transdermal formulations. This article is aimed at reviewing the mechanisms responsible for percutaneous permeation enhancement activity of terpenes, which shall foster their rational use in transdermal formulations. The thing about tea tree however is that it will likely evaporate before significant penetration occurs. Use of an occlusion method may therefor increase its therapeutic action. Perhaps jojoba or coconut would retard the evaporation and perhaps increase the penetration by other means. It is said that jojoba is more like a wax than an oil. An ointment made with bees wax might increase the occlusion and reduce evaporation rate even further. Coconut has anti fungal properties and so a combination of coconut, bees wax, oregano and tea tree might be good. Another study on transdermal drug delivery found that of lemon grass oil, eucalyptus, menthol and clove, that clove oil had the highest penetration enhancement. Since clove is also antibiotic, it could be useful. Perhaps clove, or any combination of clove, oregano, tea tree incorporated into a bees wax base with the viscosity controlled by coconut and or jojoba oil could make a useful ointment. This is what I do and it seems effective for many skin problems although I havent tried it on nail infections There are medicated nail lacquers that are said to be effective with minimal side effects. One could just go with it, or try to make their own by using
RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:22:00 -0700 From: kscma...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda To: silver-list@eskimo.com Yes LVDC makes true CS, you must use a reducing agent for complete reduction Ag ions are reduced to the metallic silver, Ag ions will not clump together by themselves because they have a like charge+ Check in with cgcsforum for more complete info ## Who's the Administrator, or who runs or started that site? PM me those details if you want. N. From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 2:33 AM Subject: RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda OK, class is in g, maybe you can answer these for me James. (1) Does LVDC equipment actually produce *true metallic* silver particles? A percentage of Ag+ ions are lost to particle formation consisting of a number of those ions clustering together to form that particle. (2) Can I assume our product actually contains three (3) types of silver, i.e. Ag+ ions, ion clusters which have formed particles, and actual stand alone genuine metallic particles? (3) How is an actual metallic silver particle formed, and how is it produced if there are no ions 'at all' in the solution? Maybe a question (4), how do their particles differ from ours in structure or formation when/if using the electrolysis process? I probly should clarify that I am referring to LVDC produced products such as we make in our kitchens. I believe purchased products are generally produced using HVDC or HVAC methods which I would assume would still contain a percentage of ions along with the particles, maybe in far less numbers perhaps, but present all the same? If there are no ions at all present, then how do they get metallic particles *only* without any ions? Thanks N. Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 22:09:08 -0700 From: kscma...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda To: silver-list@eskimo.com Capping just would reduce the amount of CS exposed to stomach acid before moving onward.. IS(Ionic Silver) does not bunch up to make CS(Colloidal Silver). CS is metallic silver particules, no ions at all! When taking CS for a while you would want to take a probiotic about 1 to 2 hours after the CS. There is no doubt that IS CS help! I have over 20 people who directly can atest to this. As with everything the dose must be approate to the application and the person.
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2012 #410
I try to avoid DMSO and any oil that are pretty drying because my nails are already brittle and dry. I do have turpentine and clove too, but not too sure i want to use them. Turpentine is drying. Clove is to be used with utmost care. It is pretty strong too. I think another cause could be the dish detergents. We changed, i now boil soap nuts then put borax , baking soda, vinegar and H2O2 in our dishwashing solution. It is strong for the hands. I know i should wear gloves, but i keep forgetting too and it is so cumbersome to wash with gloves. Melly --- On Fri, 11/2/12, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2012 #410 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 7:31 PM
