Re: CSCS - Virus
Thanks Mike, that really explains things well. I read somewhere that viruses can also have a strand of RNA as well and are actually not organic at all. Have you heard of this? Dee Sent from my iPad On 3 Nov 2014, at 02:07, M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com wrote: Sandee wrote: ... my understanding is that a virus is NOT a pathogen, my understanding is that a pathogen is a single cell organism with no protection of any kind and does not hide anywhere for protection... Hi Sandee, Pathogen is a general term for any disease causing organism... From Wikipedia (an adequate source in this case...): A pathogen ... in the oldest and broadest sense is anything that can produce disease. Typically the term is used to mean an infectious agent (colloquially known as a germ) — a microorganism, in the widest sense such as a virus, bacterium, prion, fungus or protozoan, that causes disease in its host. So, it's the kind of word that distinguishes what ails you from toxins, injury, nutrient deficiency, or autoimmune stuff, for a few examples. If it's pathogenic in origin, it means you got infected somehow. So, you'll need to understand the biology of each of the general types of pathogens and treat them as separate things in your mind. If you look up the above listed types of pathogen you'll get a description of what each one is and does... Just off the top of my head... Virus: A strand of DNA, possibly with an additional sheath of protein, but no cell wall or protoplasm (gooey stuff inside a cell). It's pretty much a simple piece of protein that happens to be able to sneak into a host cell and trick it into using the cell's own reproductive apparatus to reproduce the *virus*. It is not a cell, in and of itself. It's much smaller than a cell and needs a living cell to serve as a host. Bacterium: single celled organism with (usually) a cell wall, cell membrane, nucleus containing DNA, and other internal structures along with protoplasm (aforesaid gooey stuff). There are a handful of general types, determined mostly by their shape under the microscope: cocci (round) bacilli (bar or rod shaped), spirochete (spiral shaped). They're generally on the same order of size as many types of cells or often somewhat smaller. They can themselves be infected by viruses! And so on for prions, fungi or protozoa... In this case, wikipedia can be your friend. They'll at least get these basic definitions right. ... why CS without any carrier can kill by itself We know that it can and does, provided it can get to the germs causing the problem. A carrier like DMSO might help silver get past membranes into cells, or the spaces between cells, or into mucus... anyplace that pathogens might set up housekeeping and silver might normally be slower or prevented entirely from penetrating. Other treatments you might try alongside silver may do different things and their effectiveness might combine favorably... but it might not be correct to call them carriers if that's not what they're actually doing. There might be synergy where the effect is greater than the sum of the parts, or their effects might just add together simply and leave you no way of knowing how much is because of which thing you're doing... Not altogether a bad thing so long as you're getting better, but not as informative as careful testing would be. Anyway, I hope there is a little clarity for you in all of that. You just have to get ahold of the pieces of the subject and make them fit together for you. Nothing takes the place of understanding, and that usually depends on some brute force studying to cram the bits and pieces into your brain. smile Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMMS and Church
Hi Gail, this is the chap I was talking as out - Daddybob! He was the guy who told me off when I advised caution with MMS but later admitted (to the list) that he had serious problems...dee Sent from my iPad On 2 Nov 2014, at 19:02, Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Jason group, In the early years of MMS we all seemed to jump on the bandwagon. Those of us on various health/alternative lists I'm on anyway and we shared our experience. Remember Daddybob, he was a regular of many lists I visit. Anyway his personality is the type to jump in and as he often said, 'get er done' He started having heart issues, and sorry I can't remember what they were, but he attributed them to his MMS use. Others wrote in complaining about heart palpitation after starting the MMS as well. It is something to be aware of that is due attention. There was a guy on the MMS list I was on that differed with Jim about the chemistry. He did believe in the use of MMS but at a different concentration. I think that was his main difference. It's been years since this this happened so might not remember exactly how he differed. Anyway, some of the members on the list that were involved with the church were so rude to him. One guy even called him a pharmaceutical whore. Sorry for the language but wanted to give the direct quote. Whether this man was a pharmaceutical rep or not, I do not know, but his behavior came across as professional and polite, while the church members were blatantly rude, which was a real turn off to me. I really know nothing about chemistry and certainly am not a pharm rep, just a person with a chronic illness trying to recover. But I do know if you have a viable, good product, it will sale itself. One does not have to use ill manner tactics to make a sale. I have also notice when someone does speak out with a different opinion regarding the safety, effectiveness, or Jim himself, they are not received graciously. Not everybody frequenting these lists that speak out against it are working for the enemy, which is usually the church response. In fact, I think most of us here are people trying to find answers for our health problems, the majority are anyway. And then some are also in some form of alternative business promoting their business. Regarding Jim and his business: Anybody who is in an alternative field must abide by the law of the land. People have been put in jail that I personally don't think deserve to go to jail. For their own protection, they better abide by the law or get out. Speaking as a customer of many different alternative protocols, I want to have the freedom to be able to try anything that I think might benefit me. I think if people would present their product with plain old manners and stop the bickering, it would go a long way and we might be able to reach an educated decision much sooner. Gail On Sunday, November 2, 2014 11:13 AM, Jason ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: ...I agree Tony. Jim was dead wrong when he developed his initial protocols, and may tried to tell him so. He not only ignored them, but was quite belligerent, and he had absolutely no real training in oxidative therapies. Then, of course, he changed his protocols, which are now much safer. In my opinion, ozone is more effective and certainly safer because the exact concentrations that the body can safely tolerate are well established by extensive research. ~Jason On 11/2/2014 9:47 AM, Tony Moody wrote: Hallo AJR, Umm, Call me what you want. But most of my relevant credentials are alternate or complementary healing of one sort or another. I tried MMS at the lowest dose and it made me sick as a dog and it took me at least 5 weeks to get back to my normal self. There was absolutely no help at the time from the MMS group. I was not the only one, there had already been several and there were many after me who complained. We were all shut down and poo-pood and ignored. Then a few chemically orientated people chimed in and pointed out what could be happening physiologically or biologically. .. then Jim Humble changed his formulation to a much weaker solution or used a different acid or something. I'd lost interest in the MMS and the deaf bigots surrounding the concept. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMMS and Church
Sorry, that should have been 'about' ...dee Sent from my iPad On 3 Nov 2014, at 08:58, Dee d...@deetroy.org wrote: Hi Gail, this is the chap I was talking as out - Daddybob! He was the guy who told me off when I advised caution with MMS but later admitted (to the list) that he had serious problems...dee Sent from my iPad On 2 Nov 2014, at 19:02, Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Jason group, In the early years of MMS we all seemed to jump on the bandwagon. Those of us on various health/alternative lists I'm on anyway and we shared our experience. Remember Daddybob, he was a regular of many lists I visit. Anyway his personality is the type to jump in and as he often said, 'get er done' He started having heart issues, and sorry I can't remember what they were, but he attributed them to his MMS use. Others wrote in complaining about heart palpitation after starting the MMS as well. It is something to be aware of that is due attention. There was a guy on the MMS list I was on that differed with Jim about the chemistry. He did believe in the use of MMS but at a different concentration. I think that was his main difference. It's been years since this this happened so might not remember exactly how he differed. Anyway, some of the members on the list that were involved with the church were so rude to him. One guy even called him a pharmaceutical whore. Sorry for the language but wanted to give the direct quote. Whether this man was a pharmaceutical rep or not, I do not know, but his behavior came across as professional and polite, while the church members were blatantly rude, which was a real turn off to me. I really know nothing about chemistry and certainly am not a pharm rep, just a person with a chronic illness trying to recover. But I do know if you have a viable, good product, it will sale itself. One does not have to use ill manner tactics to make a sale. I have also notice when someone does speak out with a different opinion regarding the safety, effectiveness, or Jim himself, they are not received graciously. Not everybody frequenting these lists that speak out against it are working for the enemy, which is usually the church response. In fact, I think most of us here are people trying to find answers for our health problems, the majority are anyway. And then some are also in some form of alternative business promoting their business. Regarding Jim and his business: Anybody who is in an alternative field must abide by the law of the land. People have been put in jail that I personally don't think deserve to go to jail. For their own protection, they better abide by the law or get out. Speaking as a customer of many different alternative protocols, I want to have the freedom to be able to try anything that I think might benefit me. I think if people would present their product with plain old manners and stop the bickering, it would go a long way and we might be able to reach an educated decision much sooner. Gail On Sunday, November 2, 2014 11:13 AM, Jason ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: ...I agree Tony. Jim was dead wrong when he developed his initial protocols, and may tried to tell him so. He not only ignored them, but was quite belligerent, and he had absolutely no real training in oxidative therapies. Then, of course, he changed his protocols, which are now much safer. In my opinion, ozone is more effective and certainly safer because the exact concentrations that the body can safely tolerate are well established by extensive research. ~Jason On 11/2/2014 9:47 AM, Tony Moody wrote: Hallo AJR, Umm, Call me what you want. But most of my relevant credentials are alternate or complementary healing of one sort or another. I tried MMS at the lowest dose and it made me sick as a dog and it took me at least 5 weeks to get back to my normal self. There was absolutely no help at the time from the MMS group. I was not the only one, there had already been several and there were many after me who complained. We were all shut down and poo-pood and ignored. Then a few chemically orientated people chimed in and pointed out what could be happening physiologically or biologically. .. then Jim Humble changed his formulation to a much weaker solution or used a different acid or something. I'd lost interest in the MMS and the deaf bigots surrounding the concept. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS - Virus
Mike thanks so very much for this clarification - it is truly welcome as I, from my lack of any scientific training was starting to get angry - in my book there is nothing like experience for teaching - my recent experience with the Chickenguyna virus is that CS could not and did not do the trick, - I got it badly after it appeared my body was out of fight - if like the herpes virus - it lives in the body where it has decided to lodge itself then this explains the continual inflammation and stiff painful joints I and others are experiencing- continuing to take my normal daily intake of CS will eventually work as it appears to have done for me in the case of herpes which I have suffered with from time to time over some fifty years - I am investigating whether taking any of the known helpers will do any good at this point of time as the virus is already lodged - who knows only time can and will tell - over time I have done all the other modalities to work on the herpes virus and none have killed it outright - they have all more than likely worked together to extend the time between out breaks however I would be kidding myself to say it has finally given up - my last outbreak now being four years. So working on this assumption I ask myself will I have to endure the residue of the Chickenguyna for another four - which my research has told me is the time the virus stats in the body ? Not a nice future - so as a last resort it will be back to the mind for release from this scourge - gone to meditate - thanks whole heaps for confirming and clarifying what I had read for myself - I constantly tell others to become the captain of their own ship - I think I need to tell myself this very seriously Thanks I WILL be well / the same for you Cheers Sandee Attitude is everything Alive Again Colloidal Silver Eye drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On Nov 3, 2014, at 4:51 AM, Dee d...@deetroy.org wrote: Thanks Mike, that really explains things well. I read somewhere that viruses can also have a strand of RNA as well and are actually not organic at all. Have you heard of this? Dee Sent from my iPad On 3 Nov 2014, at 02:07, M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com wrote: Sandee wrote: ... my understanding is that a virus is NOT a pathogen, my understanding is that a pathogen is a single cell organism with no protection of any kind and does not hide anywhere for protection... Hi Sandee, Pathogen is a general term for any disease causing organism... From Wikipedia (an adequate source in this case...): A pathogen ... in the oldest and broadest sense is anything that can produce disease. Typically the term is used to mean an infectious agent (colloquially known as a germ) — a microorganism, in the widest sense such as a virus, bacterium, prion, fungus or protozoan, that causes disease in its host. So, it's the kind of word that distinguishes what ails you from toxins, injury, nutrient deficiency, or autoimmune stuff, for a few examples. If it's pathogenic in origin, it means you got infected somehow. So, you'll need to understand the biology of each of the general types of pathogens and treat them as separate things in your mind. If you look up the above listed types of pathogen you'll get a description of what each one is and does... Just off the top of my head... Virus: A strand of DNA, possibly with an additional sheath of protein, but no cell wall or protoplasm (gooey stuff inside a cell). It's pretty much a simple piece of protein that happens to be able to sneak into a host cell and trick it into using the cell's own reproductive apparatus to reproduce the *virus*. It is not a cell, in and of itself. It's much smaller than a cell and needs a living cell to serve as a host. Bacterium: single celled organism with (usually) a cell wall, cell membrane, nucleus containing DNA, and other internal structures along with protoplasm (aforesaid gooey stuff). There are a handful of general types, determined mostly by their shape under the microscope: cocci (round) bacilli (bar or rod shaped), spirochete (spiral shaped). They're generally on the same order of size as many types of cells or often somewhat smaller. They can themselves be infected by viruses! And so on for prions, fungi or protozoa... In this case, wikipedia can be your friend. They'll at least get these basic definitions right. ... why CS without any carrier can kill by itself We know that it can and does, provided it can get to the germs causing the problem. A carrier like DMSO might help silver get past membranes into cells, or the spaces between cells, or into mucus... anyplace that pathogens might set up housekeeping and silver might normally be slower or prevented entirely from penetrating. Other treatments you might try alongside silver may do different things and their effectiveness might combine favorably... but it might not be correct to call them carriers if
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On Nov 2, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote: Exactly. These types of reports are used to spread FUD - Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Sometimes it is very subtle, which is the worst kind, as it goes unnoticed. If I try to use such a report to encourage a layman to use CS, he will only come away with FUD, and a reaffirmation that his antibiotics are the way to go. We must remain vigilant against FUD. Victor On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Neville one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: I'll just throw my two bobs worth in here... There is nothing of which represents Electrolytically Isolated Silver dispersed in Distilled Water *alone* used by any research I have found in over 10 years of my involvement with this stuff. I'm just a mug punter, but as a mug punter I do not put any credence in any report from any written word from the establishment or research facilities offered to the public to contemplate. It's one of two things - either efficacy by design, or guilt by association. Whatever is used is something which has gone through a proprietary process so as to make results legal for use and/or publication in any media for public perusal. Your FDA, our TGA, and I would suggest any and all other authoritative bodies on this planet do not reference silver dispersed in distilled water *alone*, it just isn't legal to do so from my understanding. Silver and water are both natural substances hence cannot be patented and health claims cannot be made without it being forced to jump through many hoops first, and that ain't happening any time soon. No health claims can be made unless it's gone through the mill to satisfy the establishment set requirements prior to publication! In other words, everything I read in any media report is taken as BS, unless what I read satisfies MY requirements! N. Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 13:34:42 -0500 From: mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver Makes Antibiotics Thousands of Times More Effective - Scientific American I don't think so. That would be ionic silver compounds, such as silver nitrate. Marshall On 11/2/2014 2:28 PM, Ron wrote: On the other hand they did not actually say colloidal but said : Collins and his team found that silver — in the form of dissolved ions. Is that subject to interpretation? Ron On 11/2/2014 2:36 AM, Victor Cozzetto wrote: Yea, that article is definitely propaganda backed by pharmaceutical companies. Trying to highlight antibiotics while spreading false fears about silver toxicity and CS turning you blue. Well, I am still alive and I am not blue ;-) Victor http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/silver-makes-antibiotics-thousands-of-times-more-effective/
CSOT - treatment for blepharitis
Hi, Has anyone had success treating red, swollen, itchy eyes? I have tried CS and it didn't do anything lasting. Right now I am trying Johnson's Baby Shampoo and distilled water but it is too soon to tell. Since anything can set off a histamine reaction I don't really know where to start. Thanks for any help you can give. PT
Re: CSOT - treatment for blepharitis
Hi PT, The usual disclaimer, 'Everyone is different', but virgin coconut oil calmed my eyes down when they were red, swollen, itchy. Of course, there can be many causes, and I don't really know what mine were, other than Lyme, but when CS didn't help as it had in the past, I gently wiped VCO into my lids just before bed. It made a blurry film over my eyes, so I couldn't read easily, and just went to sleep, but my eyes were so much better in the morning. Be well, Léna On Nov 3, 2014, at 5:53 PM, PT Ferrance wrote: Hi, Has anyone had success treating red, swollen, itchy eyes? I have tried CS and it didn't do anything lasting. Right now I am trying Johnson's Baby Shampoo and distilled water but it is too soon to tell. Since anything can set off a histamine reaction I don't really know where to start. Thanks for any help you can give. PT
Re: CSMMS and Church
Hi Tony, Thanks for the email..Since you did this protocol you described there has been quite a change in the way MMS is taken..The protocol advised to start at one drop or even half a drop for the first number of doses in the protocol and gradually increase it up to not over three drops per hour..if you feel nausea or stomache cramps it usually means that MMS is working by eliminating the virus or bacteria that is causing your troubles..this is the sacrament or protocol 1000 in the Church procedure..Here are the procedures you would follow and you will not have any trouble with the procedure..You were going too fast and killing pathogens too fast.. Slow down and take it easy..and you will find very few side effects..some people were alergic to the citric acid activator but they have another activator which works better in those cases http://genesis2church.org/mms-protocol-1000 http://genesis2church.org/mms-protocol-read-this-first anything you want to know is here http://genesis2church.org Best Regards AJR -Original Message- From: Tony Moody Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 2:17 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and Church Hallo AJR, Umm, Call me what you want. But most of my relevant credentials are alternate or complementary healing of one sort or another. I tried MMS at the lowest dose and it made me sick as a dog and it took me at least 5 weeks to get back to my normal self. There was absolutely no help at the time from the MMS group. I was not the only one, there had already been several and there were many after me who complained. We were all shut down and poo-pood and ignored. Then a few chemically orientated people chimed in and pointed out what could be happening physiologically or biologically. .. then Jim Humble changed his formulation to a much weaker solution or used a different acid or something. I'd lost interest in the MMS and the deaf bigots surrounding the concept. MMS is an excellent concept really but some people react very, very badly to it. That should be factored in and dealt with by recommending starting off at 10th or 100th dose the first few time and build up to ones level of acceptance. The fact that some people can take a heroic dose from start has the potential to harm person, harm MMS and harm the whole alt health movement. If, instead of V8 bulldosing, the MMS people could have checked on initial discomfort and then recommended reverting to a much lower dose, they could have pleased everybody. This sort of protocol is standard practise in any sane modality. Even medics do this. I believe it is called titration. When I made colloidal silver devices that is one of the concepts mentioned in the manual. Mentioning MMS in the same breath as CS, DMSO and O2 therapy is sacrilege in my opinion for the only reason that MMS does not advocate caution. I've done CS by the litre per day, I've taken DMSO neat by the teaspoon, several times per day. I've done ozone insulflations and blood exchanges, and breathed the stuff up to coughing level, no problems. I've taken O3 bubbled water by the litre. All no problem.I've done an H202 oral slow build up but soon got to a level that kept me consistently nauseous; so I backed off. I had to stop entirely before nausea went away. I'm not knocking H2O2 , just can't / don't want to do it; its too rough for me. If I was driven to H2O2 then i would first do some thorough cleansing first. Drink copious amounts of warm water, then go on to mild liver cleanse ; garlic lemon and olive oil drink. paying strict attention to diet, then do a series of liver cleanses with flushing enemas. A few weeks dedicated to that and i probably wouldn't need H2O2 anyway. :-) Have you considered that MMS Sodium Chlorite could perhaps have an emetic mixed in to discourage people from ingesting it? Could some be coming from say china ?? My apology for this rave Mike, I'ts just that I feel that my feet have been crushed rather unfairly. OK, Tony On 2 Nov 2014 at 12:02, AJR wrote about : Subject : Re: CSMMS and Church Hi Alan There have been more then 20 million bottles of MMS used since it was started in the year 2000 and there are no records of people being harmed if they follow the instructions properly..Nothing is perfect..As you are aware..there are a number of people who have been planted on these lists by Big pharmacy and the medical Cartel to disrupt and make problems for members..These people are easy to spot as they all have the same negative attitude..They don’t realize that each year in america there are close to a million people who die from approved Pharmaceutical Drugs..Also Doctors are the # 1 killer of people and they can do it legally with no problems..They are not hard to spot on this list so it important to keep an open mind..How do they sleep at night... They need to do honest research but in these cases it won’t work as they have a hidden agenda..Colloidal Silver,
Re: CS Trace minerals
I tried that 2 drops at night and it was all gone by the next day, even thou I had 2 drops by mouth the previous morning with water. So, last night I tried 4 drops on my stomach just below solar plexus and it was all gone this morning, including my finger that I spread it around with. That's a total of 6 drops in one day of 15% lugols. Do you suppose that your suggested method is still correct? The bottle says to take one drop per day, and I usually take 2 drops in the AM before breakfast. I am sending this to your private email as well as the CS list because I am having problems posting to groups. Joe On 2014-10-22 7:42 PM, Alan Faulkner wrote: If you are going to take iodine, our compounding Pharmacist told us that you put two drops on your belly before bed (when you are laying on your back), smear it around a bit with the dropper. Let it dry before touching the blankets and then in the AM see if the skin is still yellow, then 2 drops is the correct dose. If the skin is not coloured then increase it by one drop per day until the day when you wake up and see the yellow tinge. That is your correct dosage. Just put the drops in a cup and then add water to it and consume. Personally I would consume it by itself separated at least 20 minutes before or after from anything else. That's a general rule I generally follow. ; ) Alan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Trace minerals
Joe.. it looks like this post is going out to the group and not private since my reply is going to group. When I receive a private post and reply, it usually goes to the sender's private email address. Or..maybe you private posted to Alan? How long have you been taking the two drops of iodine in the am? Lola H. On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Joe Huard joe.hu...@primus.ca wrote: I tried that 2 drops at night and it was all gone by the next day, even thou I had 2 drops by mouth the previous morning with water. So, last night I tried 4 drops on my stomach just below solar plexus and it was all gone this morning, including my finger that I spread it around with. That's a total of 6 drops in one day of 15% lugols. Do you suppose that your suggested method is still correct? The bottle says to take one drop per day, and I usually take 2 drops in the AM before breakfast. I am sending this to your private email as well as the CS list because I am having problems posting to groups. Joe On 2014-10-22 7:42 PM, Alan Faulkner wrote: If you are going to take iodine, our compounding Pharmacist told us that you put two drops on your belly before bed (when you are laying on your back), smear it around a bit with the dropper. Let it dry before touching the blankets and then in the AM see if the skin is still yellow, then 2 drops is the correct dose. If the skin is not coloured then increase it by one drop per day until the day when you wake up and see the yellow tinge. That is your correct dosage. Just put the drops in a cup and then add water to it and consume. Personally I would consume it by itself separated at least 20 minutes before or after from anything else. That's a general rule I generally follow. ; ) Alan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/ maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT - treatment for blepharitis
Thanks, Lena. I'll give it a try. PT From: Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 6:10 PM Subject: Re: CSOT - treatment for blepharitis Hi PT, The usual disclaimer, 'Everyone is different', but virgin coconut oil calmed my eyes down when they were red, swollen, itchy. Of course, there can be many causes, and I don't really know what mine were, other than Lyme, but when CS didn't help as it had in the past, I gently wiped VCO into my lids just before bed. It made a blurry film over my eyes, so I couldn't read easily, and just went to sleep, but my eyes were so much better in the morning. Be well, Léna On Nov 3, 2014, at 5:53 PM, PT Ferrance wrote: Hi, Has anyone had success treating red, swollen, itchy eyes? I have tried CS and it didn't do anything lasting. Right now I am trying Johnson's Baby Shampoo and distilled water but it is too soon to tell. Since anything can set off a histamine reaction I don't really know where to start. Thanks for any help you can give. PT
Re: CS Trace minerals
I should have said that I Bcc'd Alan in addition to this group. Joe On 2014-11-03 9:06 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote: Joe.. it looks like this post is going out to the group and not private since my reply is going to group. When I receive a private post and reply, it usually goes to the sender's private email address. Or..maybe you private posted to Alan? How long have you been taking the two drops of iodine in the am? Lola H. On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Joe Huard joe.hu...@primus.ca mailto:joe.hu...@primus.ca wrote: I tried that 2 drops at night and it was all gone by the next day, even thou I had 2 drops by mouth the previous morning with water. So, last night I tried 4 drops on my stomach just below solar plexus and it was all gone this morning, including my finger that I spread it around with. That's a total of 6 drops in one day of 15% lugols. Do you suppose that your suggested method is still correct? The bottle says to take one drop per day, and I usually take 2 drops in the AM before breakfast. I am sending this to your private email as well as the CS list because I am having problems posting to groups. Joe On 2014-10-22 7:42 PM, Alan Faulkner wrote: If you are going to take iodine, our compounding Pharmacist told us that you put two drops on your belly before bed (when you are laying on your back), smear it around a bit with the dropper. Let it dry before touching the blankets and then in the AM see if the skin is still yellow, then 2 drops is the correct dose. If the skin is not coloured then increase it by one drop per day until the day when you wake up and see the yellow tinge. That is your correct dosage. Just put the drops in a cup and then add water to it and consume. Personally I would consume it by itself separated at least 20 minutes before or after from anything else. That's a general rule I generally follow. ; ) Alan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUnsubscribe
You have to understand the perspective of the people who write this sort of thing. They are writing for developers who will try to find some sort of silver to put into a capsule that you can take with the antibiotic. EIS does not even fit into their reckoning, they don't even consider it, one way or the other. You, however, can use EIS along with antibiotic and get the best of both worlds... On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 9:02 AM, bodhipakkh...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 2, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote: Exactly. These types of reports are used to spread FUD - Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Sometimes it is very subtle, which is the worst kind, as it goes unnoticed. If I try to use such a report to encourage a layman to use CS, he will only come away with FUD, and a reaffirmation that his antibiotics are the way to go. We must remain vigilant against FUD. Victor On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Neville one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: I'll just throw my two bobs worth in here... There is nothing of which represents Electrolytically Isolated Silver dispersed in Distilled Water *alone* used by any research I have found in over 10 years of my involvement with this stuff. I'm just a mug punter, but as a mug punter I do not put *any* credence in *any* report from *any* written word from the establishment or research facilities offered to the public to contemplate. It's one of two things - either efficacy by design, or guilt by association. Whatever is used is something which has gone through a proprietary process so as to make results legal for use and/or publication in any media for public perusal. Your FDA, our TGA, and I would suggest any and all other authoritative bodies on this planet do not reference silver dispersed in distilled water *alone*, it just isn't legal to do so from my understanding. Silver and water are both natural substances hence cannot be patented and health claims cannot be made without it being forced to jump through many hoops first, and that ain't happening any time soon. No health claims can be made unless it's gone through the mill to satisfy the establishment set requirements prior to publication! In other words, everything I read in any media report is taken as BS, unless what I read satisfies MY requirements! N. -- Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 13:34:42 -0500 From: mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver Makes Antibiotics Thousands of Times More Effective - Scientific American I don't think so. That would be ionic silver compounds, such as silver nitrate. Marshall On 11/2/2014 2:28 PM, Ron wrote: On the other hand they did not actually say colloidal but said : Collins and his team found that silver — in the form of dissolved ions. Is that subject to interpretation? Ron On 11/2/2014 2:36 AM, Victor Cozzetto wrote: Yea, that article is definitely propaganda backed by pharmaceutical companies. Trying to highlight antibiotics while spreading false fears about silver toxicity and CS turning you blue. Well, I am still alive and I am not blue ;-) Victor http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/silver-makes-antibiotics-thousands-of-times-more-effective/
Re: CSUnsubscribe
Good point Dave. I should not imply that there was intent to spread FUD about silver. A lot of these things do so out of ignorance, or it is simply an unintended side effect. In either case, I still find that the article is not useful for promoting CS/EIS. Victor On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: You have to understand the perspective of the people who write this sort of thing. They are writing for developers who will try to find some sort of silver to put into a capsule that you can take with the antibiotic. EIS does not even fit into their reckoning, they don't even consider it, one way or the other. You, however, can use EIS along with antibiotic and get the best of both worlds... On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 9:02 AM, bodhipakkh...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 2, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote: Exactly. These types of reports are used to spread FUD - Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Sometimes it is very subtle, which is the worst kind, as it goes unnoticed. If I try to use such a report to encourage a layman to use CS, he will only come away with FUD, and a reaffirmation that his antibiotics are the way to go. We must remain vigilant against FUD. Victor On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Neville one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: I'll just throw my two bobs worth in here... There is nothing of which represents Electrolytically Isolated Silver dispersed in Distilled Water *alone* used by any research I have found in over 10 years of my involvement with this stuff. I'm just a mug punter, but as a mug punter I do not put *any* credence in *any* report from *any* written word from the establishment or research facilities offered to the public to contemplate. It's one of two things - either efficacy by design, or guilt by association. Whatever is used is something which has gone through a proprietary process so as to make results legal for use and/or publication in any media for public perusal. Your FDA, our TGA, and I would suggest any and all other authoritative bodies on this planet do not reference silver dispersed in distilled water *alone*, it just isn't legal to do so from my understanding. Silver and water are both natural substances hence cannot be patented and health claims cannot be made without it being forced to jump through many hoops first, and that ain't happening any time soon. No health claims can be made unless it's gone through the mill to satisfy the establishment set requirements prior to publication! In other words, everything I read in any media report is taken as BS, unless what I read satisfies MY requirements! N. -- Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 13:34:42 -0500 From: mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver Makes Antibiotics Thousands of Times More Effective - Scientific American I don't think so. That would be ionic silver compounds, such as silver nitrate. Marshall On 11/2/2014 2:28 PM, Ron wrote: On the other hand they did not actually say colloidal but said : Collins and his team found that silver — in the form of dissolved ions. Is that subject to interpretation? Ron On 11/2/2014 2:36 AM, Victor Cozzetto wrote: Yea, that article is definitely propaganda backed by pharmaceutical companies. Trying to highlight antibiotics while spreading false fears about silver toxicity and CS turning you blue. Well, I am still alive and I am not blue ;-) Victor http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/silver-makes-antibiotics-thousands-of-times-more-effective/
Re: CS Trace minerals
Gotcha... Lola On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Joe Huard joe.hu...@primus.ca wrote: I should have said that I Bcc'd Alan in addition to this group. Joe On 2014-11-03 9:06 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote: Joe.. it looks like this post is going out to the group and not private since my reply is going to group. When I receive a private post and reply, it usually goes to the sender's private email address. Or..maybe you private posted to Alan? How long have you been taking the two drops of iodine in the am? Lola H. On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Joe Huard joe.hu...@primus.ca wrote: I tried that 2 drops at night and it was all gone by the next day, even thou I had 2 drops by mouth the previous morning with water. So, last night I tried 4 drops on my stomach just below solar plexus and it was all gone this morning, including my finger that I spread it around with. That's a total of 6 drops in one day of 15% lugols. Do you suppose that your suggested method is still correct? The bottle says to take one drop per day, and I usually take 2 drops in the AM before breakfast. I am sending this to your private email as well as the CS list because I am having problems posting to groups. Joe On 2014-10-22 7:42 PM, Alan Faulkner wrote: If you are going to take iodine, our compounding Pharmacist told us that you put two drops on your belly before bed (when you are laying on your back), smear it around a bit with the dropper. Let it dry before touching the blankets and then in the AM see if the skin is still yellow, then 2 drops is the correct dose. If the skin is not coloured then increase it by one drop per day until the day when you wake up and see the yellow tinge. That is your correct dosage. Just put the drops in a cup and then add water to it and consume. Personally I would consume it by itself separated at least 20 minutes before or after from anything else. That's a general rule I generally follow. ; ) Alan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT - treatment for blepharitis
You mean you closed your eyes and put it on the closed eyes? I want to try this. Thank you Bonnie On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: Hi PT, The usual disclaimer, 'Everyone is different', but virgin coconut oil calmed my eyes down when they were red, swollen, itchy. Of course, there can be many causes, and I don't really know what mine were, other than Lyme, but when CS didn't help as it had in the past, I gently wiped VCO into my lids just before bed. It made a blurry film over my eyes, so I couldn't read easily, and just went to sleep, but my eyes were so much better in the morning. Be well, Léna On Nov 3, 2014, at 5:53 PM, PT Ferrance wrote: Hi, Has anyone had success treating red, swollen, itchy eyes? I have tried CS and it didn't do anything lasting. Right now I am trying Johnson's Baby Shampoo and distilled water but it is too soon to tell. Since anything can set off a histamine reaction I don't really know where to start. Thanks for any help you can give. PT
CSTreatment for Blepharitis
Believe it or not, but Blepharitis is a Demodex Mites infestation. Forget about hear this from a MD, they have no clue, about it. You can use Tree Tea Shampoo. Never use Tree Tea Oil straight, because it can burn your eyes.Use the shampoo around your eyes, scrub well on eyelash and eyebrows, wait around 3 minutes and wash lightly, just to take off the bubbles and leave a little shampoo film on the area.It´s not a fast cure, it may take around 3 months.During the day and night you can use coconut oil, as it kills parasites. Just Google “eyelash mites”
CSTreatment for Blepharitis
Mighty Mites www.aao.org/publications/eyenet/201207/cornea.cfm
Re: CSOT - treatment for blepharitis
Ayurveda suggests putting some rosewater on you eyes. It's best to get a spray bottle and spray a bit on your closed eyes. This cools them down. Get the better quality stuff from a health food store as it lasts longer but the regular RW is fine. Sleep is usually the best solution for your eyes. Alan On 2014-11-03, at 20:41 PM, BW wrote: You mean you closed your eyes and put it on the closed eyes? I want to try this. Thank you Bonnie On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: Hi PT, The usual disclaimer, 'Everyone is different', but virgin coconut oil calmed my eyes down when they were red, swollen, itchy. Of course, there can be many causes, and I don't really know what mine were, other than Lyme, but when CS didn't help as it had in the past, I gently wiped VCO into my lids just before bed. It made a blurry film over my eyes, so I couldn't read easily, and just went to sleep, but my eyes were so much better in the morning. Be well, Léna On Nov 3, 2014, at 5:53 PM, PT Ferrance wrote: Hi, Has anyone had success treating red, swollen, itchy eyes? I have tried CS and it didn't do anything lasting. Right now I am trying Johnson's Baby Shampoo and distilled water but it is too soon to tell. Since anything can set off a histamine reaction I don't really know where to start. Thanks for any help you can give. PT
