Re: CS>colloidal copper - OT

[Bill Kingsbury]

Is colloidal copper mostly "free copper"?

You don't want too much free copper, which can be toxic.

--Bill


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18827576

Brewer GJ. Curr Opin Clin Nutr Metab Care. 2008 Nov;11(6):727-32.

The risks of free copper in the body and the development of useful anticopper 
drugs.

Abstract

PURPOSE OF REVIEW: To review the toxicity and risks of free copper in Wilson's 
disease, Alzheimer's disease, other disease of neurodegeneration, and cognitive 
loss in the general population. We will also review the anticopper drugs and 
how lowering free copper levels with an anticopper drug inhibits fibrosis, 
inflammation, and autoimmunity.

RECENT FINDINGS: Some exciting recent work indicates that free copper levels 
are increased in Alzheimer's disease, and copper may be involved in disease 
pathogenesis, opening the way to possible therapy of Alzheimer's disease with 
anticopper drugs. Copper may also be involved in other diseases of 
neurodegeneration. A very exciting recent study indicts high intake of copper, 
mostly from copper supplements, in conjunction with a high-fat diet in more 
rapid cognitive decline in the general population. Other data indicate that 
even low levels of copper in drinking water, perhaps similar to copper 
supplements, bypasses the liver, enters the circulation, increases the 
blood-brain penetration of copper, and may cause damage.

SUMMARY: Some of the implications are that Alzheimer's disease and other 
diseases of neurodegeneration and fibrotic, inflammatory, and autoimmune 
diseases may be treatable by lowering the availability of free copper. People 
in the general population may wish to take steps to lower their free copper 
levels and, in particular, to abstain from taking copper supplements and 
ingesting significant amounts of copper in drinking water.

PMID: 18827576 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]




--- At 03:35 PM 2018-07-16, PT Ferrance wrote:
>
>Hello,
>There has been a conversation going on about the need for copper in the body 
>and people have written about colloidal copper. Has anyone on this list made 
>colloidal copper? If you have how did you do it?
>Thanks.
>PT
>
>
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Re: CS>C.S. for fish tanks - or Methylene Blue

[Bill Kingsbury]

They use "Methylene Blue" to keep fish tanks clean 
(disinfected), without harming the fish.

Google this: ... "Methylene Blue" fish tanks >

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Methylene+Blue%22+fish+tanks

I've purchased this one, previously:

KORDON #37344 Methylene Blue - General Disease Prevention 
Treatment for Aquarium, 4-Ounce - $4.99 ... Pet Supplies

https://www.amazon.com/Methylene-Blue-General-Prevention-Treatment-Aquarium/dp/B00025646W/

Look online for usage instructions...

Also, some people take Methylene Blue internally, for 
health, and for nootropic ( brain-boosting ) effects...


Bill



--- At 07:00 AM 2017-06-30, RaVen Sequoia wrote:
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>Good morning. Does anyone know a good guide book or online site
>about using CS for betta fish to keep them healthy?
>
>I need a reliable source to protect Midnight - fish tank is one gallon. 
>No air pump/filter yet as I cannot find a tiny one for that small tank. 
>Most are for 3 gallons are higher.
>
>Tips appreciated.
>
>Kindly,
>
>RaVen
>
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CS>Silver Nanoparticles - 112 Articles

[Bill Kingsbury]

For your future research, regarding: Silver Nanoparticles ...

There are one-hundred and twelve (112) articles listed at this link -- 
published in the "Environmental Pollution" Journal:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleListURL&_method=list&_ArticleListID=-1224281755&_sort=r&_st=13=c=8aacdfda0566ba78496bd68f9733f301=a



... I stumbled across this information, while searching for articles on "Noise 
Pollution"... And, there are also many articles on Noise Pollution at the 
following website:

"Noise & Health" Journal - http://www.noiseandhealth.org ... where the 
following is a great "overview article" on Noise:

"ICBEN review of research on the biological effects of noise 2011-2014"

Full HTML - 
http://www.noiseandhealth.org/article.asp?issn=1463-1741;year=2015;volume=17;issue=75;spage=57;epage=82;aulast=Basner

PDF (27p) - 
https://dabamirror.sci-hub.ac/242f787b9a0c5d319efb4340bd3ff61a/basner2015.pdf




bk


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CS>silver nanoparticles - books & articles

[Bill Kingsbury]

Here's some links to the medical, science and engineering literature on silver 
nanoparticles. All are available for immediate, free download. (Warning: these 
are NOT "easy reading", for the technically challenged.)

bk



TECHNICAL BOOKS ... silver nanoparticles ... 5 results

http://libgen.io/search.php?req=silver+nanoparticles_topic=libgen=0=simple=25=1=def


ARTICLES ... silver nanoparticles ... first 100 results

http://libgen.io/scimag/index.php?s=silver+nanoparticles


ARTICLES ... silver nanoparticles human ... first 100 results

http://libgen.io/scimag/index.php?s=silver+nanoparticles+human


ARTICLES ... silver nanoparticles environment ... 37 results

http://libgen.io/scimag/index.php?s=silver+nanoparticles+environment


ARTICLES ... silver nanoparticles toxic ... 36 results

http://libgen.io/scimag/index.php?s=silver+nanoparticles+toxic




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CS>DNA damage from silver?

[Bill Kingsbury]

Some of the latest, science-based reports on the hazards 
of the consumption of, or exposure to silver:
bk

Google this: ... silver DNA damage ... 5,340,000 results 

https://www.google.com/search?q=silver+DNA+damage

21 June 2017 ... Common water treatments could damage DNA ...
Scientists are warning that a water treatment widely used in developing
countries could be damaging the DNA of those drinking it. ...more studies
than they expected showed some evidence of genotoxicity, reporting
effects including chromosomal aberrations, DNA fragmentation and damage
to sperm.


https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-06/uoea-cwt062117.php

20 June 2017 ... A re-assessment of the safety of silver in
household water treatment : rapid systematic review of mammalian in vivo
genotoxicity studies ... Environmental Health Journal:
HTML -

https://ehjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12940-017-0279-4

PDF -

https://ehjournal.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s12940-017-0279-4


Increased DNA damage and oxidative stress among silver jewelry
workers
Biol Trace Elem Res. 2015 Apr;164(2):185-91

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25575665

...etc.


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Re: CS>OT- Sjogren's Syndrome

[Bill Kingsbury]

If you have Sjogren's Syndrome, you might also have hypothyroidism. And 
treating hypothyroidism usually cures dry eyes and itching skin.

Why might you have "both" conditions? It's not unusual to have multiple 
autoimmune conditions, rather than just one... Read this:

"The Root Cause of Your Autoimmune Disease - and why treating it can be easier 
than you think"

http://www.faim.org/the-root-cause-of-your-autoimmune-disease-and-why-treating-it-can-be-easier-than-you-think


Bill


--- At 04:57 PM 2017-04-10, PT Ferrance wrote:
>

Hi,
Does anyone have any experience with Sjogren's Syndrome and can suggest an 
alternative treatment method?
Mostly dry eyes and itching skin.
Thanks.
PT


>

RE: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Bill Kingsbury]

The term "NAg" (Silver Nitrate) occurs only four times in this
article, that refer to one footnote that references a 1969
article.
Everywhere else in this article -- that's over 60 places --,
"NAg" stands for "nano-silver", for which there are
92 footnotes, and most of those 92 referenced articles were published
"recently".
Bill

--- At 08:49 PM 31, 2017-03-31, Nenah Sylver wrote:
>
BK
wrote: The journal article can be downloaded here - 4.6 MB PDF:

https://sci-hub.ac/downloads/bb41/10.1...@acsnano.7b01166.pdf 
 
==
Thanks for the link. Here is a short quote from the article:
[...]
 
Now, I did not read every single word of this article, but I did skim
every page. NAg (Silver Nitrate) kept appearing. From my cursory reading,
it seems that the authors are focusing completely on the silver COMPOUND
Silver Nitrate­which, as we know, is NOT electrolytically isolated
silver!!!
 
Of course medical science won’t discuss EIS because we can make it
ourselves, and there’s no profit in that. It really pays to read
carefully, and read between the lines.
 
Nenah
 
Nenah Sylver, PhD
author, The Rife Handbook
of Frequency Therapy and Holistic Health
healing from cancer and other diseases 
with non-invasive, effective technology
suppressed by the medical cartel until recently
www.nenahsylver.com 
  
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Re: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Bill Kingsbury]

 
The journal article can be downloaded here - 4.6 MB PDF:

https://sci-hub.ac/downloads/bb41/10.1...@acsnano.7b01166.pdf

bk


--- At 06:06 PM 31, 2017-03-31, bk wrote:
>
>from: - 
>https://www.healthcanal.com/infections/236554-rampant-use-antibacterial-nanosilver-resistance-risk.html
>
>Rampant use of antibacterial nanosilver is a resistance risk
>[...]
>
>The article Widespread and Indiscriminate Nanosilver Use: Genuine Potential 
>for Microbial Resistance is published in the journal ACS Nano.
>
>( http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acsnano.7b01166 )
>
>
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CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Bill Kingsbury]

from: - 
https://www.healthcanal.com/infections/236554-rampant-use-antibacterial-nanosilver-resistance-risk.html


Rampant use of antibacterial nanosilver is a resistance risk

7:05 March 31, 2017

In summary:

   .. Silver nanoparticles are becoming ubiquitous in medical and consumer 
items because of their antibacterial potency in small concentrations and, 
partly, incorrect perceptions about their safety

   .. A more judicious approach and targeted surveillance are urgently needed 
to preserve nanosilver's antimicrobial reliability

Researchers at the University of Technology Sydney warn that the broad-spectrum 
antimicrobial effectiveness of silver is being put at risk by the widespread 
and inappropriate expansion of nanosilver use in medical and consumer goods.

As well as their use in medical items such as wound dressings and catheters, 
silver nanoparticles are becoming ubiquitous in everyday items, including 
toothbrushes and toothpaste, baby bottles and teats, bedding, clothing and 
household appliances, because of their antibacterial potency and the incorrect 
assumption that ordinary items should be kept "clean" of microbes.

Nanobiologist Dr Cindy Gunawan, from the ithree institute at UTS and lead 
researcher on the investigation, said alarm bells should be ringing at the 
commercialisation of nanosilver use because of a "real threat" that resistance 
to nanosilver will develop and spread through microorganisms in the human body 
and the environment.

Dr Gunawan and ithree institute director Professor Liz Harry, in collaboration 
with researchers at UNSW and abroad, investigated more than 140 commercially 
available medical devices, including wound dressings and tracheal and urinary 
catheters, and dietary supplements, which are promoted as immunity boosters and 
consumed by throat or nasal spray.

Their perspective article in the journal ACS Nano concluded that the use of 
nanosilver in these items could lead to prolonged exposure to bioactive silver 
in the human body. Such exposure creates the conditions for microbial 
resistance to develop.

The use of silver as an antimicrobial agent dates back centuries. Its ability 
to destroy pathogens while seemingly having low toxicity on human cells has 
seen it widely employed, in treating burns or purifying water, for example. 
More recently, ultra-small (less than 10,000th of a millimetre) silver 
nanoparticles have been engineered for antimicrobial purposes.  Their 
commercial appeal lies in superior potency at lower concentrations than "bulk" 
silver.

"Nanosilver is a proven antimicrobial agent whose reliability is being 
jeopardised by the commercialisation of people's fear of bacteria," Dr Gunawan 
said.

"Our use of it needs to be far more judicious, in the same way we need to 
approach antibiotic usage. Nanosilver is a useful tool but we need to be 
careful, use it wisely and only when the benefit outweighs the risk.

"People need to be made aware of just how widely it is used, but more 
importantly they need to be made aware that the presence of nanosilver has been 
shown to cause antimicrobial resistance."

What is also needed, Dr Gunawan said, is a targeted surveillance strategy to 
monitor for any occurrence of resistance.

Professor Harry said the findings were a significant contribution to addressing 
the global antimicrobial resistance crisis.

"This research emphasises the threat posed to our health and that of the 
environment by the inappropriate use of nanosilver as an antibacterial, 
particularly in ordinary household and consumer items," she said.

The article Widespread and Indiscriminate Nanosilver Use: Genuine Potential for 
Microbial Resistance is published in the journal ACS Nano.

( http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acsnano.7b01166 )

UTS


(c) 2016 HEALTHCANAL - Medical News. All Rights Reserved.

https://www.healthcanal.com/


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CS>Turpentine remedy - online references

[Bill Kingsbury]

Articles:
Natural Solvent Medicine - Terpenes, DMSO, Water, Turpentine - Dr
Sircus (2017)


http://drsircus.com/general/natural-solvent-medicine-terpenes-dmso-water-turpentine/

Kerosene [and Turpentine] - a Universal Healer - by Walter Last
(2011)


http://www.health-science-spirit.com/kero.htm
Turpentine, The Candida Cleaner - by Dr. Jennifer Daniels (2013)
(32p) - PDF:


http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/11136827/2098715122/name/Turpentine-The_Candida_Cleaner+-Dr.+Daniels.pdf

Turpentine - Healer Complete


http://augmentinforce.50webs.com/TURPENTINE--HEALER%20COMPLETE.htm
Turpentine Therapy - (a section on this larger webpage:)


http://augmentinforce.50webs.com/RECIPES%20FOR%20THE%20YOUTUBE%20VIDS.htm#Turpentine%20Therapy

Gum Turpentine - Triple Distilled - short article at
'studioproducts.com' (2009)


http://web.archive.org/web/20090214223042/http://store.studioproducts.com/Gum-Turpentine-TRIPLE-DISTILLED-p-16242.html

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Forums:
Turpentine and Kerosene Remedies _ earthclinic Forum (5p)


https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/turpentine-kerosene.html


https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/turpentine-kerosene2.html


https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/turpentine-kerosene3.html


https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/turpentine-kerosene4.html


https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/turpentine-kerosene5.html
Turpentine for healing _ Phoenix Rising ME-CFS Forums (5p)


http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/turpentine-for-healing.27015/


http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/turpentine-for-healing.27015/page-2


http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/turpentine-for-healing.27015/page-3


http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/turpentine-for-healing.27015/page-4


http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/turpentine-for-healing.27015/page-5

100% Pure Gum Turpentine & Kerosene - Project Avalon Forum
(p.1 of 34)
... Kill deadly Candida, leave healthy bacteria alone!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63907-100-Pure-Gum-Turpentine-Kerosene-Kill-deadly-Candida-leave-healthy-bacteria-alone
-
Edgar Cayce’s Readings & Remedies Support Forum - CureZone


http://www.curezone.org/forums/f2.asp?f=166
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Videos:
Dr. Jennifer Daniels - Turpentine: The Miracle Medicine and Candida
Cleaner


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucna--FLRMw .. Apr 4, 2016 .. 53:46
(Part 1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsbS6KKTLOQ .. Apr 9, 2016 .. 53:10
(Part 2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOp_i7QIL7U .. Apr 9, 2016 .. 40:59
(Part 3)
Cayce Instructions for Spirits of Turpentine Pack ... May 6, 2010 ...
6:08


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-g4percYSY
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Turpentine - Botanical Medicine of Edgar Cayce


http://www.meridianinstitute.com/echerb/Files/1turpen.html
Google... Turpentine Oil + Rectified + Cayce


https://www.google.com/search?q=Turpentine+Oil+Rectified+Cayce
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Turpentine - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpentine
Turpentine from Pine Resin - Chapter 8 - 
( in "Flavours and fragances of plant origin" - FAO -
1995)
HTM -

http://www.fao.org/docrep/V5350e/V5350e00.htm
PDF -

http://www.fao.org/docrep/018/v5350e/v5350e.pdf
Gum naval stores - Turpentine and rosin from pine resin - FAO
(1995)
HTM -

http://www.fao.org/docrep/V6460E/v6460e00.htm
PDF -

http://www.fao.org/docrep/018/v6460e/v6460e.pdf

MSDS - Pure Gum Turpentine - Recochem Inc. (2011) (4p) - PDF:


http://web.archive.org/web/20130427165506/http://www.recochem.com.au/files/downloads/Pure_Gum_Turpentine_Sep11.pdf

Turpentine MSDS (2015) (8p)


https://web.chempliance.com/MSDS/OpenDoc.ashx?DocID=25616
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Two U.S. Sources for
100% Pure Gum Spirits of Turpentine:


http://www.diamondgforestproducts.com/~shop/4-oz-100-pure-gum-spirits-of-turpentine/186769/?catId=34919



https://www.amazon.com/100-Pure-Gum-Spirits-Turpentine/dp/B00IX6HIH6

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Google:
... Turpentine remedy


https://www.google.com/search?q=Turpentine+remedy
... "Essential Oil Of Turpentine"


https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Essential+Oil+Of+Turpentine%22
... "medicinal turpentine"


https://www.google.com/search?q=%22medicinal+turpentine%22
... "medicinal use of turpentine"


https://www.google.com/search?q=%22medicinal+use+of+turpentine%22

... "medicinal uses of turpentine"


https://www.google.com/search?q=%22medicinal+uses+of+turpentine%22

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I don't know if turpentine can be mixed with and used with 
DMSO (externally) -- but turpentine can be mixed with emu oil 
to facilitate its use on bruises and sprains, etc.
For example:
"... to the bushman the most valuable thing about the emu is its
oil, which is looked upon as a sovereign remedy for bruises or sprains
when rubbed into the affected part either pure or mixed with turpentine.
..."
--- from the book: "Australian Search Party" - by Charles
Henry Eden (1869)
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Emu Oil - related U.S. Patent documents:
Emu Oil can be used as a "carrier" for other
remedies:
Use of Emu Oil and its Various Fractions as a Carrier for Antifungal,
Antibacterial, and Antiviral 

CS>Size- and Dose-Dependent Antiviral Effects of Silver Nanoparticles

[Bill Kingsbury]

FDA National Center for Toxicological Research
NCTR Publications > NCTR Research Highlights

Current Highlight from April 1, 2016

http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/CentersOffices/OC/OfficeofScientificandMedicalPrograms/NCTR/WhatWeDo/NCTRPublications/ucm076767.htm

Size- and Dose-Dependent Antiviral Effects of Silver Nanoparticles

NCTR scientists have demonstrated both size- and dose-dependent antiviral 
effects of silver nanoparticles (AgNPs) in in vitro assays using feline 
calicivirus (FCV) as a surrogate for human norovirus.  Treatment of cultures 
with 10 nanometer (nm)-sized AgNPs (at doses of 50 and 100 micrograms per 
milliliter [µg/mL]) completely inactivated FCV within 2-4 hours of exposure, 
resulting in a decrease in the viral titer, an absence of cytopathic effects in 
Crandell-Rees Feline Kidney cells, and a reduction in viral capsid protein 
levels; whereas no effect was observed with 75 and 110 nm-sized AgNPs.  The use 
of AgNPs as antibacterial agents has increased in consumer-use products; 
however, its use as an antiviral agent is still an area of active research.  
This study is now available online at Foodborne Pathogens and Disease:

http://dx.doi.org/10.1089/fpd.2015.2054

For additional information, please contact Sangeeta Khare, Ph.D., Division of 
Microbiology, FDA/NCTR.

>>>

Foodborne Pathogens and Disease - March 2016, ahead of print.

Dose and Size-Dependent Antiviral Effects of Silver Nanoparticles on Feline 
Calicivirus, a Human Norovirus Surrogate

Aschalew Z. Bekele, Kuppan Gokulan, Katherine M. Williams, and Sangeeta Khare

ABSTRACT

Objectives: Silver nanoparticles (AgNPs) as antibacterial agents are 
incorporated in many consumer products, while the use as antiviral agents is an 
ongoing area of research. We evaluated the antiviral properties of AgNPs of 
variable sizes (10, 75, and 110 nm) and doses (25, 50, and 100 µg/mL) at 
different contact time points against feline calicivirus (FCV), a surrogate for 
norovirus.

Materials and Methods: Antiviral effects of the AgNPs were determined by 
comparing the infectivity of FCV, the appearance of cytopathic effects (CPEs), 
and the integrity of the viral capsid protein in viral suspension treated with 
AgNPs with the untreated controls.

Results: The 10 nm AgNPs at 50 and 100 µg/mL concentrations inactivated the FCV 
beyond the limit of detection, resulting in a decrease of up to 6.5 log10 viral 
titer, prevented development of CPEs, and reduction in the western blot band 
signal of the viral capsid protein. No significant antiviral effect was 
observed for the 75 and 110 nm AgNPs.

Conclusions and Applications: These results demonstrate that the antiviral 
effects of AgNPs are both size and dose dependent, thus potential applications 
of AgNPs as antiviral agents to prevent contamination of foodborne viruses need 
to consider size and dose effects.

Copyright©2012 Mary Ann Liebert, Inc. publishers.  All rights reserved, USA and 
worldwide.

http://dx.doi.org/10.1089/fpd.2015.2054

>>>

http://sci-hub.io/

Download the PDF:

"Dose and Size-Dependent Antiviral Effects of Silver Nanoparticles on Feline 
Calicivirus"

http://moscow.sci-hub.io/89110c87b9fd1021ebae66d5b3d4f000/bekele2016.pdf

( Link may expire - if so, reenter the search. )


Bill


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Re: CS>MMS and blood brain barrier

[Bill Kingsbury]

I mostly brush my teeth with diluted Atomidine, from Heritage. That's iodine 
trichloride, 600 mcg per drop, and it's clear (completely colorless). I make a 
batch using 40-50 drops per quart of water, that lasts about 25 days... My 
dentist wondered why my gums had stopped bleeding (10 years ago) and I told her 
I brushed with iodine. She said that was a good idea because iodine removes 
'biofilms' (she said that's why doctors wash with iodine for surgery 
preparation), and she said I should keep using it.

Bill


--- At 04:48 PM 2015-10-31, PT Ferrance wrote:
>
>For dental issues I have found Vicco to be a great toothpaste. It can be 
>purchased at amazon.
>PT
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Re: CS>Info on colloidal copper

[Bill Kingsbury]

"Nano Colloidal Copper Holds The Key To Beautiful Younger Looking Skin"

http://www.investigatorsreport.com/nano-colloidal-copper-holds-the-key-to-beautiful-younger-looking-skin.html


"Colloidal Copper: The Amazing Mineral For Healthy Youthful Skin"

http://www.investigatorsreport.com/colloidal-copper-the-amazing-mineral-for-healthy-youthful-skin.html

Video (7:27) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WexGU7o_sxw




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Re: CS>Copper feeds cancer?

[Bill Kingsbury]

--- At 10:18 AM 2015-09-12, Deborah Gerard wrote:
>
>I was really excited about making colloidal copper was informed that it feeds 
>cancerI am not as smart as the majority of you hear and would love to be 
>able to shove some reputable facts in this trolls face. Debbie
>

Copper Chelation and Cancer
http://www.townsendletter.com/AugSept2013/enviromed0813.html

Copper Storage Diseases: Menkes, Wilson's, And Cancer
http://www.bioscience.org/u37153137/gaDTRQo7632rgysaGWQYT64356/2004/v9/af/1424/1424.pdf

Copper chelation in cancer therapy using tetrathiomolybdate: an evolving 
paradigm.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19335282

Copper deficiency as an anti-cancer strategy.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15163301
http://erc.endocrinology-journals.org/cgi/reprint/11/2/255.pdf

Control of copper status for cancer therapy.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16305350

Anticopper therapy against cancer and diseases of inflammation and fibrosis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16182195

Cancer therapy with tetrathiomolybdate: antiangiogenesis by lowering body 
copper--a review.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14664727

Copper control as an antiangiogenic anticancer therapy: lessons from treating 
Wilson's disease.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11444102
http://ebm.rsmjournals.com/cgi/content/full/226/7/665
http://ebm.rsmjournals.com/cgi/reprint/226/7/665.pdf



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Re: [Silver] In Subject Line Of Posts?

[Bill Kingsbury]

I'd like to recommend:   [CS]

(shorter is preferred)

--Bill


At 10:46 AM 9-4-98 -5, Mike D. wrote:
Mike Rhyner wrote:

 Most lists that I am on, have the name of the list as
 the first word of the subject line of each post.
 This makes it easy to do an Edit-Sort-Sort By Subject
 and have all the posts by a certain list all in one
 block which makes it easier to find past posts in the list.
 Mike, would it be possible to do that
 with this list?  

Dameon wrote:

 I agree. This *would* be nice.
 
 Dameon

Hello gentlemen, and LIST!

Yes, I agree this would be a good addition. Does anybody out there 
object? I'll consider anything that will make e-mail management 
easier for people.

I think that the string CS or something like that would work well 
and be the minimum length. I'll ask around at eskimo for if and how 
this can be done with smartlist.

Please send me your opinions one way or the other, folks! 

I'm still quite busy here, with a lot vying for my attention. So
please be patient if the change takes a while. Thanks.

Be well,

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Re: .999 vs .9999/ OT - Ozone

[Bill Kingsbury]

At 02:35 AM 8-18-98 +, chc wrote:

 What is the difference between .999 and .?
 If . is much better healthwise,  Does anyone know 
 where we can buy . silver???


The 'four 9' (or .) is 10 times better than .999, 
as regards freedom from impurities, including lead.  
Personally, I've decided to avoid colloidal lead.

Silver Solutions is where I bought my electrodes last year -- 
1 pair of 6 inch long, 'ultra fine' . silver, 14 gauge wires 
for $15.00.  The wires came with good xeroxed instructions that 
included the information and updates seen on their web site at:

 http://www.silversolutions.com

By the way, I've e-mailed them twice for prices on 
larger quantities of . silver wire, but they've 
failed to answer me.  Why don't some more people 
ask them, too, and maybe they'll wake up ?

 e-mail:  i...@silversolutions.com


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Re: CS protocol (Chris)

[Bill Kingsbury]

At 12:02 AM 8-12-98 -0400, Chris Gupta wrote:

If members are interested I can post to the list my electromedical
reference material.

 Chris,

 I'm interested, although I'm not clear on exactly what type of
 'electromedical reference material' you're referring to -- other
 than it apparently relates to Bob Beck's work.  I noticed a lot
 of similar info at:  http://www.u36.com/fred/bobbeck/index.htm

 Do you have additional info ?

 Thanks
 Bill


--original message

[] Think it would be a good idea to read Beck's paper. It is
available
from SOTA (at a cost) but now you can download the updated paper
free as a
pdf file form the following site. (Be warned it is big approx. 5 meg. You
can download the whole file by pressing the shift key and clicking
with the
mouse on the pdf file.)

  http://www.u36.com/fred/bobbeck/index.htm

Bob Beck keeps updating his designs and his protocol is one of the
few well
researched ones that I have come across. CS is only a part
solution. I have
built all his devices. The designs are all provided freely in the
paper and
in my opinion his approach, IF FOLLOWED RIGOROUSLY, could solve many of
problems that are discussed on this and other health lists. The paper is
very dense with info and must be read several times.

If members are interested I can post to the list my electromedical
reference material.

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Re: Nickel toxicity

[Bill Kingsbury]

 At 01:07 PM 8-12-98 -0500, Bob Lee wrote:
 Subject: Cleaning the distiller
  []
 
  By the way, someone keeps saying that nickel is toxic.  Its not.
  However if nickel is heated in the presence of Carbon Monoxide
  it will form NICKEL TETRACARBONYL (Ni CO4) which is extremely
  toxic, however this liquid has a high vapour pressure and the
  vapour is carried away by the carbon monoxide.  Usually the
  vapour is passed over a hot surface and it decomposes back into
  metallic nickel and carbon monoxide and recycled.  We are not
  very likely to be meeting with NI CO4.


 Bob,

 I just searched through my files for 'nickel'.

 Regarding nickel tetracarbonyl, actually we are likely to encounter
 this toxic substance that you describe as carried away by carbon
 monoxide.  Tobacco smoke (and auto exhaust) contains both nickel
 and carbon monoxide, thus tobacco smoke (and auto exhaust) contains
 some unhealthy amount of toxic nickel tetracarbonyl.  Inhaled
 nickel accumulates in the lungs and has been associated with
 increased rates of lung, nasal, and laryngeal cancers.  

 As for nickel being toxic or not, it all depends on 1) the degree
 of exposure and 2) the state of immune activation to this heavy
 metal.  Although I haven't collected any Medline references I read
 that nickel is a known carcinogen.  However, food contains ultra-
 trace levels of nickel, and 'organic' nickel (from vegetables,
 grains, beans, and nuts) likely does help to maintain health.  

 Nickel allergy can cause local skin or systemic reactions.  The
 nickel in jewelry, dental materials, or prosthetic joints or heart
 valves (stainless steel) may also be allergenic sources. 

 The EPA lists nickel as a toxic waste (even non-radioactive nickel)
 if it comes from industrial processes, but not if it comes from
 vegetation.  The EPA names nickel in its list of the 100 most toxic
 and hazardous chemicals found at Superfund (toxic waste) sites. 

 Below are quotes extracted from various sources.

 --Bill


 

 From:
 Galen D. Knight, Ph.D.
 VitaleTherapeutics, Inc.
 e-mail: galen...@highfiber.com
 http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

 Re: Heating or frying OILS:

 Metals such as nickel catalyze the epoxidation of olefins
 (unsaturated organic molecules) so it makes sense to heat oil in
 non-metallic containers if one heats at all.  Stainless steel is a
 no-no, since even surgical stainless steel (used in implants and
 supposedly hypoallergenic posts for ear-rings, watch backs, and
 other jewelry) usually contains nickel, cobalt, and chromium. 
 See:  http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org/vtlmtltb.htm 

 Stainless steel machinery contains carcinogenic nickel.  They
 use nickel as catalyst to saturate vegetable oils into margarine. 
 Do you think they get all of the metal out?

 


 THE MARGARINE HOAX --
 Margarine, Fatty Acids and Your Health
 http://www2.peg.apc.org/~nexus/margarine.html

 Another 'side-effect' of hydrogenation is that a residue of
 toxic metals, usually nickel and aluminium, is left behind in
 the finished product.  These metals are used as catalysts in
 the reaction, but they accumulate in our cells and nervous
 system where they poison enzyme systems and alter cellular
 functions, endangering health and causing a wide variety of
 problems.  These toxic metals are difficult to eliminate
 without special detoxification techniques [EDTA chelation],
 and our 'toxic load' increases steadily with small exposures
 over time.  Since they are increasingly found in our air, food
 and water, the cumulative doses can add up to dangerous levels
 over time.  

 


 Re: Nickel (Dental Materials) Hypersensitivity

 Clifford Consulting  Research, Inc.
 Colorado Springs, CO
 http://www.ccrlab.com

 Percentage Reactive - Database of 12,823 blood serum specimens

 Nickel Salts Group. . . . . .  97.9% of samples = Reactive
 Mercury Salts Group . . . . .  92.7%
 Arsenic Salts Group . . . . .  86.4%
 Lead Salts Group. . . . . . .  68.0%
 Silver Salts Group. . . . . .  24.7%
 Uranium Salts Group . . . . .  04.1%

 Testing Methodology...

 Reactivity testing is conducted on patient blood serum.  Using
 qualitative antigen-antibody precipitin observations, it is
 possible to detect the presence of antibodies in the serum
 which have been specifically formed against such chemical
 groups as acrylates, urethanes, toluenes, nickel, aluminum,
 mercury, etc.  A small quantity of a challenge material is
 mixed with a sample of patient serum and observed for the
 formation of an immune complex which precipitates out of
 solution and collects at the bottom of the test well. 

 


 Cautions (re: CV NiTi braces)

 While CV NiTi is copper free, it still contains nickel.  We are
 not aware of any fatal reactions to nickel in orthodontic cases.
 However, nickel is a fairly common allergen.  According to a recent
 article in the AJO (American Journal of Orthodontia) about 30% of
 the orthodontic patients with pierced ears 

Re: SEARS DISTILLER

[Bill Kingsbury]

Joyce,

Be careful with the coil.  Vinegar will clean it, but there 
is another potential problem.  Bob Lee just reported that 
Nichrome (the heating element) is 80% nickel (toxic!).

I don't know, but the 'burnt taste' could even be the taste 
of nickel, if the distiller is letting some of the minerals
through, without removing them all.  Maybe that's what a 
homeopathic dose of nickel tastes like (to you).

This problem should pass after using the distiller for some
time, as the heating coil will become covered with mineral 
deposits boiled out of the tap water.

Therefore, I would presume it's best not to clean the coil
from now on, no matter how encrusted it becomes.  
Unfortunately, distillers need cleaning, and the coil gets 
cleaned in the process

I know my hair tested much higher for nickel after using a 
distiller for several years.  (I stopped using a distiller
due to the steam and humidity problem that accelerates the 
indoor growth of mold, fungus, and dust mites)

You could try letting your distiller run for ten or twenty 
hours and throw away the 'burnt' distilled water produced, 
and then try tasting the next batch.

Good luck.
Bill


8-10-98, Joyce wrote:

 I'm now working to try and get clean-tasting water from my Sears
 distiller, but it has a burnt taste which I haven't been able
 to get rid of.  I was told to wash the coil with 50:50
 WhiteVinegar:Water mixture, then with Vodka. This method worked
 well on another brand of distiller, making the water clean tasting. 

 But when I poured the 50:50 mixture through the coil of my Sears
 distiller (I didn't have Vodka), the distilled water still tasted
 burnt.  I'm working through suggestions people gave me.  My next
 step is to call Sears and discuss my problem with them.

 If nothing else works, I may get a carbon-filter water pitcher
 recommended by Hulda Clark to see if it might take the burnt taste
 out.  Some people don't taste the burnt taste, so I might have a
 defective distiller, or my taste buds may be extra sensitive. 
 (I was raised on an island with unpolluted Hawaiian water, and
 refused to drink city water for many years because of its awful
 taste.) 

 Regards,
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Re: Stainless steel

[Bill Kingsbury]

8-10-98, Bob Lee wrote:

 []  There are three classes of stainless steel, called
 FERRITIC, MARTENSITIC, and AUSTENITIC.  []

 Nichrome (heating elements) is 80% nickel  []

 I`m guessing that the boiling pot is most likely 410 stainless
 and it passed my simple tests. It's magnetic, no rust, would
 not scratch. :-)


 Bob,

 Thanks.  I didn't realize that the heating element was 80% nickel,
 and thus VERY toxic.  I good reason to always distill electrically
 heated water  I wonder how toxic coffee is, after being made
 in an (aluminum?) electric coffee maker (in all restaraunts) ?

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Re: Off Topic-Trifield Meter

[Bill Kingsbury]

At 06:02 PM 8-3-98 +, chc wrote:
Does anyone know where we can pick up a high quality trifield meter
to check electromagnetic radiation levels, at a good price???


This company has them all, and then some:

 http://www.lessemf.com

Prices, someone else may know.


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Re: wire - silversolutions.com

[Bill Kingsbury]

At 01:54 PM 8-4-98 -0600, Karen wrote:
 any advice/comments on this generator?  Is AC/DC better than just DC?  
 The wire they sell is . vs .999  -  better?  worth it?  TIA!!

 http://www.silversolutions.com/


Karen,

The 'four 9' (or .) is 10 times better, as regards freedom from 
impurities, including lead.  I decided to avoid colloidal lead.

Silver Solutions is where I bought my electrodes last year -- 
1 pair of 6 inch, 'ultra fine' . silver, 14 gauge wires for 
$15.00.  The wires came with good xeroxed instructions that 
included the information and updates seen on their web site.

I haven't seen their generators, but I would trust them, judging
from the quality of their magazine articles in Perceptions magazine
(the articles seen on their web site).


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Re: CS response

[Bill Kingsbury]

At 09:41 PM 8-2-98 -0600, Vern wrote:
Not exactly, but if I leave the CS in my mouth long at all, I get 
what you might call a sore throat.  It doesn't last a real long 
time, but the whole region does get somewhat touchy for a little 
while.  I have no idea what causes this reaction.


Chronic candida infections in the throat are not uncommon.
Some organisms release spores, etc. (and all release toxins) 
when they die.  Your immune system may then react to these 
events with allergy symptoms, etc.  That's my best guess.

--Bill





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Re: Proposed CS protocol version 1.1

[Bill Kingsbury]

 7-23-98, Mike Devour wrote:
  []
  I believe we can test the results with no light bulb and see just 
  what goes wrong as current gets too high. That will be useful 
  information. Then we can back off on run-time or add the bulb
  later to fix it. Is this a good way to go, or should we go with a
  single type of light bulb and just line up a few sources for it?

 Mike, 

 From the recent discussions, I've gathered that the bulb actually
 does not function as a current limiter, because 25 or 40 milliamps
 (allowed by the commonly available small bulbs) is too high of a
 current to produce 'desirable' CS production.  (The bulb does
 serve to indicate remaining battery strength, and to limit battery
 drain in case of an electrode short circuit.)

 Reports indicate that the desired smaller sized CS particles are
 produced when using lower currents.  So far, 8 milliamps seems to
 be approximately the maximum desired current.  I'm inferring
 this from the following:

   Please note this was done using 36 vdc:
   7-13-98, George wrote:
   
When the current reached approx. 3.0 ma the wispy discharge
would become apparent.  From this point on the current would
increase at a quicker rate due of course to the increased
conductivity of the CS solution.  When the current read
8.0 - 10.0 ma I noticed something different occur.  In
addition to the CS 'floating' around in the vicinity of the
electrodes there was also a rather thick 'stream' of CS that
was sinking to the bottom of the container.

 I've thought of a simple current limiting design.  It uses 2 or 3
 pairs of electrodes configured with one center anode, surrounded
 by a circle of 3, 4, or 5 cathodes wired in parallel to the anode.

 The battery output will be limited to 25 milliamps, by feeding it
 through 2 or 3 of the 12v x 25 ma bulbs wired in series, to handle
 either 24-27 or 36 vdc.  (Radio Shack bulbs, part number 272-1141A)

 The parallel circuit, per-cathode current will thus be limited to
 a maximum of 1/3, 1/4, or 1/5 of the bulb's 25 ma -- that is: 8.33,
 6.25, or 5.0 milliamps.  The smallest CS particle size would then
 be obtained by using the 6-electrode (5-cathode) design with only
 5 ma per cathode.

 Note:  With multiple cathodes, increasing the center anode surface
 area may additionally improve the production of the smaller sized
 CS particles.  This is a reason to test the results of using larger
 sized .999+ silver coins and ingots, or a longer length of silver
 wire(s) for a center anode.

 For that matter, why not try a (nickel free) stainless steel sleeve
 about 3 inches in diameter by 5 inches long (submerged length) for
 a cathode, with a large silver (several coins in a row?) anode
 positioned along the vertical center line of the cylinder.  This
 would distribute the current flow over a relatively huge area, and
 perhaps rapidly produce the smallest of CS particles.


  --
  We *still* have to detail procedures for using a TDS-1 or other
  meter, other ppm testing methods, how to ship samples, and so on. 

 Question:
 Can the range of effects of the shipping of samples be predicted ? 
 To answer that might require extensive testing in and of itself. 

 What are the effects of moving at various speeds thru various
 geomagnetic (and geopathic) flux lines, and the simultaneous,
 unpredictable temperature and vibration parameters -- not to
 mention cell phones, truck phones, police radar, and the high-
 voltage, RF emitting ignition systems of internal combustion
 engines, etc.  Can they simply be ignored ?

 Personally, I wouldn't place any bets without at least several
 well designed and closely monitored tests.  Could all of our
 experimental results become skewed or compromised by introducing
 so many unknowns and variables ??


  --
  Vessel: 16 ounces (500 ml). Canning jars, jelly or pickle jars,
  or stout glass tumblers could be used. Does overall shape make a
  difference?

 I use a one quart (1 litre) bottle that can hold electrodes with
 5 inches (125 mm) of wetted length, leaving a 1/2 inch (12 mm) gap
 to the bottom of the bottle. 

 Perhaps a larger gap between the electrode and the bottle might be
 desirable -- to minimize any tendency to conductive silver and/or
 silver compound plating on the bottle, etc. ?

 The electrode holder design affects the required bottle height. 
 A 'recommended' electrode holder design could be established
 (suggestions below).


  --
  Electrodes: 2 pieces of 14 ga silver wire, 6 long, 4 wetted
  length, straight and parallel, 3/4 apart. (15.5cm long, 10.5cm
  wetted length, 19mm apart.)  At least .999 purity. Mount them in
  a block of wood or other rigid holder that can be placed atop the
  vessel. Adjust the electrode position so they will be 4 deep in
  16 oz of water. 

 To allow for the effects of heating the CS during production, with
 accelerated evaporation, and the subsequent vapor condensation on
 the nearby 

Re: CS response - thyroid

[Bill Kingsbury]

At 07:53 AM 8-2-98 -0500, you wrote:
Hi All,
 Have any of you had any sensation/dull ache (for lack of
 better word) in your thyroid region upon taking your CS? 
 This happens to me every morning a short while after I 
 drink some. Deb

Years ago I read that the thyroid can become colonized by 
certain types of fungus -- something doctors never test for.  
A Medline search should turn up some references:

http://www.medscape.com/misc/FormMedlineInfLive.html

Perhaps you could try a higher and more frequent use of CS.
 And/or try hot castor oil packs on the throat ?
  Try mixing GSE (or herbal extracts) into the castor oil ?
   Or try CS applied to the skin over the thyroid ?

This is not a 'prescription', of course, but it may be
a useful 'test'.

--Bill




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Re: Followup to PPM techniques

[Bill Kingsbury]

I agree with Bruce's cautions.  Filtering would require accurate 
testing, before it's effects could be accepted, or rejected.
First we need to establish the 'accurate testing'.

Ignoring the cost issue, could 'centrifuging' be technically 
useful in some cases ?

--Bill


7-30-98, Bruce wrote:

A thought on filtering these charged silver particles; will charged 
ions of silver tend to be attracted to the filter matrix, even when 
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Motherlode vs. CSPro systems.....

[Bill Kingsbury]

7-29-98, Nancy B. wrote:

 Also, I'm soon to order a Motherlode; it's $100 more than I
 expected though!  Wish I had a job of my own to pay for this
 expensive toy.  Info on the motherlode can be found at
 http://www.register.com/motherlode/index.htm .  (I'm not
 advertising; just curious about what others think about this
 device.)


Also, be sure to check out the high voltage CS units at:

 http://www.csprosystems.com
 http://www.csprosystems.com/HVAC_Specs.htm


--Bill




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Re: ppm measurement techniques?

[Bill Kingsbury]

At 11:38 PM 7-27-98 -5, Mike D. wrote:

 We could save some money and get quicker results if some of us
 could do our own ppm testing. Here's a couple of ideas I'd
 like to discuss and, hopefully, refine enough to make work. 

 Mike,

 My understanding is that ppm testing is only meaningful if the
 particle *size* is in the desired range. 

 If true, CS particle size testing would need to be done first,
 or in conjunction with, the ppm testing.  I think this requires
 access to electron microscopy, or a similar accurate test. 
 (How much does a surplus electron microscope sell for ?)

 Of course, the purity issue is a third parameter involved.


 --
 Another problem is knowing the exact state the silver is in
 when you're weighing it. Is it pure silver? Silver oxide?  
 []
 
 Which brings us to the *other* possibility, which is an
 entirely chemical assay that uses pH or some other
 characteristic with reagents and an indicator to standardize
 and visualize the reaction and allow you to measure the
 silver present by quantity required.

 With regards to 'purity', some types of analytical chemistry
 testing should be able to determine which types of silver
 compounds are present.  (Some type of spectrography should
 work, also.)  If several silver compounds are present
 (mixed together), there is also the issue of the need(?)
 for determining the amounts (ppm) of each.

 I believe it should be a priority to find a CS production
 protocol to minimize or entirely eliminate any unwanted
 compounds, regardless of their characteristics -- while
 being able to do a simple check of the 'overall' CS purity.

 Then we'd be able to do our two main tests for CS ppm and
 (the range of) CS particle sizes.


 --
 If anyone knows a chemist who could help us with that it
 could save us a lot of effort.

 Maybe Bruce Marx i...@csprosystems.com would be willing
 to share some insights from his experiences in testing his
 HVAC colloidal silver.  He has some useful info at:
  http://csprosystems.com/TechNotespg.htm

 We could collect a concise list of questions for Bruce.

 --Bill


 So here are some ideas. If I've convinced you an in-house
 ppm test would be useful, I hope you'll help me get one of
 these ideas working, or suggest another.
 
 Be well,
 
 Mike D.
 
 


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Re:CS/plans - george.bere...@nashville.com

[Bill Kingsbury]

Hi George,

Thanks for your advice.  I wonder what brands of CS you and 
your friends have found to be most effective and reliable ?

Do you know what kinds of testing are done to test your CS ?

How much CS, and of what concentration, do you use to
hold prostate cancer in check ?   Is it effective against
a virus or bacteria that causes or aggravates p.c. ?

I hear it is difficult to get sufficient antibiotics into the 
prostate due to limited blood flow.  This limited blood flow 
problem is also encountered when trying to get antibiotics 
into a periapical abscess (or root canal infection), so your 
answer to the last two questions may help to indicate how much 
CS to try using for a jaw infection.

Thanks again.
Bill


At 09:10 PM 7-26-98, gb wrote:

To list members and lullwa...@flasnet

Greetings;

 I am part of a group of colloidal silver users who use CS to help
 hold our prostate cancer in check.Any one of us is an Electrical
 Engineer with at least 25 years of experience (one of us is a
 rocket scientist). We BUY our CS from vendors whose product is
 tested regulary by university medical school laboratories and is
 at least 250PPM, satifaction guaranteed.  []

 The product I buy lasts me 60 days and cost $40. That comes out
 to 67 cents a day which is about the daily cost of a good
 multi-vitamin.  []

 In the course of researching CS I have accumulated a bit of
 knowledge !!
 
 Soyou are invited to ask me anything about CS and if I don't
 know the proper answer I probably can make a strong effort to
 help you.
 Good Health to All.
 gb.
   all of my replies will be posted to the silver-list
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Re: CS and immune system - Borna virus

[Bill Kingsbury]

At 09:48 PM 7-24-98 -0700, Marsha wrote:

 I also feel that CS can stop my depressive moods.
 Figure that one out!


Have you heard of Borna virus, also known as wobbly possum
disease, or staggering cat disease ?

It causes brain disease in many animal species -- horses, 
cattle, sheep, llamas, donkeys, ostriches, and house cats, 
as well as humans.  There are hundreds of medical reports 
free on the internet (see links below).

Borna virus causes depression, manic depression, and even
schizophrenia in humans.  It is cured by antiviral drugs,
but not by psychiatric drugs which are toxic, addictive, 
and practically useless in most cases, while making drug 
companies wealthy and driving up health care costs.

Colloidal silver may work well for pennies a day against 
Borna virus, and any number of undiscovered viruses, for 
people, cats, horses, and all the rest.

Also, there's a stealth virus found in some CFS (chronic 
fatigue syndrome) patients (see links below).


--Bill



 
 BORNA VIRUS:
 

 Staggering Cat Disease -- Borna virus:
 Linking Cat Ownership With Schizophrenia
  http://freespace.virgin.net/alan.dunlop-walters/Borna.htm

 VIRUS MAY PROMOTE MOOD DISORDERS
 http://cmhc.com/articles/mood1.htm

 BORNA VIRUS IMPLICATED IN MENTAL DISORDERS
 http://www.crime-times.org/96d/w96dp9.htm

 BORNA DISEASE VIRUS, CATS AND MAN, GERMANY 
 http://wwwtvmdl.tamu.edu/Global.htm 

 Infectious Borna Disease Virus Isolated From Mood Disorder Patients
 http://www.reutershealth.com/news/docs/199607/19960723clb.html

 Viral-Linked Depression Responds To Antiviral Treatment
 http://www.reutershealth.com/news/docs/199704/19970429cli.html

 BORNA DISEASE VIRUS
 http://www.specialtylabs.com:80/testguid/testfils/RD24.HTM
 http://www.specialtylabs.com:80/testguid/testfils/GRYA0004.HTM

 Viral infection and psychiatric disease
 http://www.vetmed.fu-berlin.de/viro/bdvhl.htm

 Structural and functional characterization of 
 the Borna disease virus (BDV)
 http://www.vetmed.fu-berlin.de/viro/wz.htm

 Epidemiology of Borna disease virus infections
 http://www.vetmed.fu-berlin.de/viro/rd.htm

 MOLECULAR BIOLOGY OF BORNA DISEASE VIRUS, A NOVEL
 NEUROTROPIC VIRUS ASSOCIATED WITH PSYCHIATRIC DISORDERS
 http://scripps.edu/pub/asr/np/npdelatorre.html

 BORNA VIRUS
 http://outcast.gene.com/ae/WN/SU/borna_virus.html

 Borna Disease Virus (BDV)
 http://www.kufm.kagoshima-u.ac.jp/~hla/BDV.html

 Borna Disease Synopses  (large article with references)
 http://www.medscape.com/other/
 EID/1997/v03.n02/e0302.05.hatalski/e0302.05.hatalski.html
 and EID/1997/v03.n02/e0302.05.hatalski/ref-e0302.05.hatalski.html

 The Links Between Infections and Psychiatric Diseases
 http://www.medscape.com/Medscape/
 MentalHealth/1997/v02.n04/mh3058.vitkovic/mh3058.vitkovic.html



 
 Stealth Virus:   http://www.ccid.org
 

 New Stealth Virus Epidemic in the Mohave Valley:
  http://www.ccid.org/MSV.html

 Epidemic of Viral Neuropsychiatric Illnesses
 in the Mohave Valley:
  http://www.ccid.org/Russia.html

 Stealth Virus Epidemic Coming Soon to Los Angeles:
  http://www.ccid.org/Interview.html

 Detection of Stealth Viruses in Human Tissues:
  http://www.ccid.org/nih.html

 Stealth Virus: Act Now to Screen Vaccines and Blood Supply:
  http://www.ccid.org/Vaccine.html




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Re: SEARS WATER DISTILLER

[Bill Kingsbury]

There's two types of stainless steel.  The toxic type
contains high levels of toxic elemental nickel.  This 
unsafe type is non-magnetic.

If a magnet sticks to it, it's the safe type.

--Bill

---
  Hi Dameon,
 Been gone two weeks or would have replied sooner. 
 Its stainless steel in the boiling pot. :-)
  Best to you,   Bob

At 03:51 PM 7-20-98 -0500, you wrote:
likow...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 Hi -
 
 You and I talked before about the SEARS water distiller. I bought one
 but have not yet used it because the base that holds the water *seems*
 to be made of brushed ALUMINUM! This would be bad for ingestion, like
 cooking pots made of aluminum. I was wondering if you know for
sure what
 this metal is? The box and literature that came with it state clearly
 that the condensor is made of stainless steel, but they conveniently
 *never* mention anything about the boiling pot.
 
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Re: periodically reversing the electrode polarity

[Bill Kingsbury]

Jim,

I'm sure I'll eventually build the device I suggested, but I'm 
not yet sure what kind of testing would be needed before knowing 
the resulting CS was entirely safe to use.

What kind of magnification can be achieved with a darkfield 
microscope ?  Can you see the particles in 'standard' CS with 
the d.m. ?  Do you notice differences between CS samples ?

I suppose you've tried viewing CS while lighting it with 
a laser pointer ?

Thanks.
Bill


At 08:35 AM 7-19-98 +, Jim wrote:

 Build a device to do this, and send me a sample of the silver, 
 and I will take a look at it in the darkfield microscope and 
 see what it looks like. If it is not working right, we may be 
 able to see a difference in it.
 Jim
 

 Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Bill wrote:
 []
 It seems possible that some of the gray silver particles which
 collect on the cathode would be quickly converted to CS, each 
 time the cathode switched and became the anode -- thus improving 
 the net efficiency of CS production by up to several hundred 
 percent.  []
 
 Seems worth a try.  I'd like to see test results to compare
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Re: periodically reversing the electrode polarity

[Bill Kingsbury]

At 08:31 PM 7-18-98 +, Jim wrote:

 Bill,
   I have done both. 

Done both ?  What, are you saying that you built a 'Bob Beck
blood electrifier' device ??

 Reversing the electrodes will help
 them to disolve at a more equal rate, but you would have to
 stop the process and switch them every minute or so to have a
 chance at keeping the buildup off, and I'm not too sure that
 would work or even be a good idea.

Why stop the process, when a timer chip could switch electrode 
polarity automatically, as used in Bob Beck's circuit ?  And if
you wanted to try it manually, you could use a DPDT switch.

If you did build a 'Beck device', did you use it to make CS ?
If yes, did the electrodes stay 'cleaner' ?


 What would you be making
 if you had some of the black buildup on both electrodes???

How do you know there would be _any_ black buildup -- the
reversal of polarity might 'unbuild' the black buildup, 
molecule by molecule, while you relax.  All I'm suggesting
is that nobody seems to have investigated, or at least 
reported, on this.

And even if there was some amount of black buildup on two
electrodes, there still may be significant advantages.
(Is there a reason it should be hazardous to have silver
oxide on two electrodes, rather than only one ?)

It seems possible that some of the gray silver particles which
collect on the cathode would be quickly converted to CS, each 
time the cathode switched and became the anode -- thus improving 
the net efficiency of CS production by up to several hundred 
percent.

Likewise, the black silver oxide on the 'anode' (now cathode) 
might be rapidly converted into CS plus H2O.

Thus leaving both electrodes relatively 'clean'.

Seems worth a try.  I'd like to see test results to compare
the resulting CS vs. 'standard' CS.


   Also, I always stir my water just before putting the
 electrodes in.  This will keep the water moving for a long time.
   Take Care,
   Jim Einert, N.D.


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 In reply to:

 Date:  Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:19:56 -0400
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com
 From:  Bill Kingsbury kings...@gte.net
 Subject:   periodically reversing the electrode polarity

 Has anyone tried periodically reversing the electrode polarity ? 
 I wonder if this would function to keep the electrodes cleaner,
 or to stir the CS solution ?

 Bob Beck's important 'blood electrifier' device also makes CS,
 and it reverses electrode polarity 3.9 times per second,
 using a 7555 chip and a relay.  The plans are at:
 http://www.electriciti.com/explore/Articles/Beck/HIV_Article.html
 
 Has anyone around here built one of these ?
 
 Thanks.
 
 --Bill
 




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Re: Source for .9999 silver wire ?

[Bill Kingsbury]

I purposely did not ask for a source of .999 silver 
(only . or .9).

btw, what are the trace elements in silver rounds ?
(What is the level of lead and other toxics ?)

--Bill


At 09:11 PM 7-18-98 -0500, you wrote:

Why don't you kill two birds with one stone and buy some 99.9
silver rounds.
They work just as well and will be very useful around March, 2000.  God,
Gold, and Guns made America great!  Jolly





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incandescent bulb current limit

[Bill Kingsbury]

 From what I've gathered, an incandescent bulb of a given
 'milliamp rating' will act to self- limit its maximum
 conducted current to that level.

 Do you know if this is this a verified scientific fact, or
 are there other micro variables ?  (other than temperature)

 Thanks.

 --Bill


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Source for .9999 silver wire ?

[Bill Kingsbury]

 Does anyone know a reliable, low cost or
 wholesale source to obtain 3 or 4 feet of
 ., or .9, high purity silver wire ?

 Thanks.

 --Bill


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Re: CS chemistry

[Bill Kingsbury]

 Doug,

 Spectrographic analysis might be one way to determine of the
 amount of silver oxide present in CS.

 I wonder if there is more production of silver oxide in the
 high-voltage CS systems, where a lowering of pH has been
 observed (see message from 6-28-98, below).

 pH measurements are useful, since any consumption of oxygen
 (producing silver oxide) could leave behind a relative surplus
 of hydrogen -- thus lowering the pH.  I don't think we can
 assume that the small bubbles (observed during CS production)
 all immediately rise to the surface, thus taking 100% of the
 dissociated hydrogen and oxygen 'out of the picture'.

 I'd be interested to learn if ozone (O3) can be smelled exiting
 a high-voltage CS system -- possibly indicating that hydrogen
 peroxide is also present, dissolved in (acidic?) CS liquid.

 I read that ordinarily, CS and hydrogen peroxide should not be
 used together.  Then, what are the long term effects on CS
 (and on it's effects), if the CS is produced containing hydrogen
 peroxide. Would it rapidly turn into colloidal silver-oxide (CSO) ? 

 Is CSO useful, as long as it's a colloid ?  Or, is CSO the final
 product, after the antibiotic potential has been expended ?  Can
 we measure the 'bioactive potential' of CS, by quantifying the
 CS/CSO ratio ?  Is the CS/CSO ratio a factor of the pH ?

 I don't know the facts, but I'm picturing a 0.010 micron colloidal
 silver particle as 1) containing perhaps 10,000 to 100,000 silver
 atoms, 2) having a net positive charge, and 3) being (in some
 cases) partially or entirely coated with silver- oxide molecules,
 therefore appearing and acting as 'colloidal silver-oxide' (CSO).  

 CSO may be harmless(?) to higher life forms, but entirely
 useless(?) as an antibiotic, although stomach acid could perhaps
 turn it into ionic or dissolved silver (but stomach acid should not
 be an issue if consumed on an empty stomach).


 Can anyone supply any corrections or additions to the above ?


 --Bill K.



 ~~~
 6-25-98, Bill K. wrote:

 Bill, Bob,

 I have a hunch that the low pH is caused by electrolysis.  The high
 voltage is breaking the water into hydrogen and oxygen.  Then the
 dissolved hydrogen causes the pH to fall.  With an acid pH, the
 silver rods are rapidly dissolving, accounting for the high TDS. 

 Sounds like the HVAC method may have some flaws, and the results
 may not be what you want  Further research needed before
 using the product on people ???  

 --Bill K.


 ~~~
 6-23-98, Bob Lee wrote:
 
  Hi Bill and list,
 
  This is very interesting. You have indicated that everything is
  OK using DC, normal ppm and pH. Then you say its abnormal using
  AC (HVAC), with hi ppm and pH close to vinegar. I can understand
  the hi ppm, caused by large particles of silver (larger than
  100mu, milli-microns) ...
 
  snip
 
  About the pH however , its not very clear what the cause could
  be. Something is there that should not be there, a contaminate
  of some kind.
 
  Pure water and pure silver will not give much of a pH change.
  I find my CS is slightly base (alkaline) at 6.8 pH after making
  it.
 

 ~~~
 bill...@cheerful.com wrote:
  
  Bob,
  
  My TDS-1 seems to work fine with DC CS however when i use my
  HVAC CS maker (Motherlode) it seems to read way too high. 
  Making the HVAC CS according to specs I should only be reading
  8-10 ppm but I am reading 63 - 68 PPM, also the ph goes from
  7 when I start to 3.5 at the end. With DC I end up reading
  8 - 12 PPM and there is no change in the ph, it stays at 7.
  
  Any ideas?
  
  thanks,
  Bill
 
 ~~~



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Re: another reason to use CS

[Bill Kingsbury]

 Joyce,

 The info I have indicates that some atherosclerosis may be
 caused by elevated homocysteine.  This may be corrected by 
 increasing intake of folic acid and vitamins B6 and B12.

 However, this particular problem is said to be independent
 of cholesterol levels or cholesterol buildup.

 --Bill


 At 05:36 PM 7-14-98 -0700, Joyce wrote:
 
  I heard that it is the lac of vitamins (e.g. Folic Acid) that
  causes cholesterol buildup.  Adding this to your diet helps
  cut down heart attacks by 50%.
 




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Re: An observation/diagram...

[Bill Kingsbury]

Yes Bruce,

I'm interested, too.  Please post a circuit diagram for 
your pulsed dc generator.

--Bill


At 10:26 AM 7-14-98 +0200, you wrote:
Hi Bruce,

Please post the circuit diagram for your pulsed dc generator. I'm
interested.

Be well,
-
Christian von Wechmar
Stellenbosch, South Africa
-

-Original Message-
From: Bruce K. Stenulson stenul...@amigo.net
To: George Martin gmar...@usonet.ne.jp; silver-list@eskimo.com
silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: An observation...

(snip)
Producing a pulsed DC CS generator supply is quite simple; a basic 555
timer astable circuit will produce more power than needed. Parts can be
less than $25.00, including either a battery holder, or an AC plug in
power supply; all available at Radio Shack. The 555 timer chip will
tolerate up to 18 volts, which was a guideline in my early
experimenting.

If there's enough interest, I'll post a circuit diagram on my website
for a 12 to 18 volt powered pulsed DC CS generator. If there's enough
interest, I'll produce a PC board, parts list, and instructions for
around $12.00. With enough interest, a full kit could be made available
fairly reasonably. Generating your own quality CS doesn't have to be
expensive!

Let me know if anyone's interested; times are busy, but we can make it
happen if there's an expressed interest. Otherwise, the circuit will sit
on the 'back burner' for a while longer...

Be Well!

Bruce K. Stenulson
Applied Technology
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Bob Beck's CS info

[Bill Kingsbury]

 Also see this web site for Bob Beck's 'blood electrifier'
 and 'magnetic pulse generator' healing device plans.
 Home page:  http://www.u36.com/~fredw/index.htm


  from:  http://www.u36.com/~fredw/bobbeck/index.htm
 -


 Currently Preferred Silver Colloid Making Apparatus, Means and Method

 For information and educational purposes only, not medical advice.
 Copyright 1993 Robert C. Beck, D.Sc.  Revision 28 February 1997


 To easily and rapidly make unlimited quantities of good quality
 silver colloid concentrate for ~1 cents per gallon (plus water
 costs) you'll need three 9 volt type MN1604 regular alkaline
 transistor radio batteries, three battery snap-on lead connectors,
 2 insulated alligator clips, 1 grain-of-wheat 24 volt 40 mA sub
 miniature incandescent bulb, a foot of 3/32 heat-shrink insulation
 tubing, 10 pure silver wire, and a foot of 2-conductor stranded
 insulated wire for clip-leads. This should cost under $20 maximum
 for everything and take about 35 minutes to assemble from scratch.
 This design is idiot proof and simple to use. It makes an
 odorless, tasteless, colorless fast and powerful antiseptic and one
 of the most remarkable healing agents known. The entire colloid
 making process takes about three minutes per 8 OZ batch for ~3 ppm
 laboratory tested concentration at room temperature.

 Use three snap-on connector clips for the batteries. Solder them
 in series (red to black) to provide 27 volts. Connect a 24 volt
 incandescent lamp in series with either (positive or negative)
 output lead. Solder a red insulated alligator clip to the positive
 (anode) and a black insulated clip to the negative (cathode)
 2-conductor lead wires. Insulation is shrunk over soldered
 connections using a heat gun or match. Use ONLY pure silver (.999
 fine) electrodes. #14 gauge (AWG) is the preferred size. Pure silver
 is sometimes available at electroplating supply companies,
 foundries, precious metals dealers, etc. Do NOT use Sterling
 silver (.9275 or other) since Sterling contains copper and nickel.
 Nickel can be toxic. WARNING Sterling is sometimes passed off for
 electrodes with commercial colloid makers through ignorance or by
 entrepreneurs who are trying to cut corners and save money. Discard
 them as hazardous. Use only triple distilled or de-ionized water for
 injectable colloid. Single distilled water makes the best
 transparent colloids BUT its higher resistance takes up to half an
 hour to make a 5 ppm concentration. Tap water is O.K. for most other
 uses but contains chlorine which may produce some AgCl which is
 harmless but gives a mirky appearance as will any salt (NaCl) which
 should be avoided.

 Bend top ends of silver electrode wires to clip over rim of plastic
 or glass container. Leave about 4 inches of bare electrodes
 submergible in the working solution (water). Spacing between
 electrodes is not critical. There is no on-off switch, so process
 starts immediately when alligator clips are both attached to
 submerged wires, however most commercial colloid makers do have
 switches which must be on when using. Process stops when either or
 both clips are disconnected. If bulb glows visibly, proceed and let
 current flow for about three minutes then remove clips, stir, and
 you are done. If bulb doesn't light or you see only a faint reddish
 glow, proceed longer. Do not add any salt. You may observe
 smoke-like plumes of pure white ultra fine grain silver against a
 dark background as colloid electrolytically sinters off the anode
 (positive polarity side of battery; red lead) and drifts into
 solution. Stir thoroughly before using or storing and shake each
 time before using. Three minutes activation of ~8 OZ of properly
 conductive water at ~72F gives ~3 ppm (parts per million) strength.
 Each additional 10 degrees F, will double ppm for a given time.
 Yield also depends on water conductivity, surface area of
 electrodes, amount of current, and time. ~3 minutes makes a stock
 solution which can be safely used full strength for anything. But
 its best to charge water by itself and add this to other foods or
 liquids as desired or drink it directly. Overdosing with any amount
 is considered unlikely for metallic Colloid, but silver PROTEINS can
 be harmful, toxic, and stain skin (Argyria).

 The 24 volt, 40 mA miniature bulb acts as an ideal ballast, current
 drain indicator, current limiter, and battery condition check for
 the apparatus. I found aircraft grain-of-wheat lamps (Precision
 Lamp, Inc. part #10238) in surplus for $0.50 each. You can
 momentarily short-circuit clip-leads together without harm; the bulb
 will simply light brightly. Also the visual brightness while
 operating gives an accurate indication of tap water conductivity.
 With distilled or de-ionized (high resistance) water, you will see
 no glow. Make and store colloids only in electrically non-conductive
 containers such as dark 

Colloidal or Ionic -- or Dissolved ?

[Bill Kingsbury]

 Peter Lindemann's info (see below) clears up the question
 Colloidal or Ionic? -- but how do we know if there is
 dissolved silver (DS) in CS ?

 Is it possible to dissolve pure silver in distilled water ?

 Is there always some DS in properly made CS ?

 Is consuming too much dissolved silver unhealthy ?

 Is dissolved silver present in CS only, or primarily,
 when made using certain methods ?

 Do certain CS production methods produce excessively
 high levels of dissolved silver ?

 Does the level of DS increase over time, as CS ages ?

 Does the 'rate of conversion' to DS accelerate when CS is
 exposed to certain types of electric or magnetic fields,
 or heat, etc. ?

 When testing CS, is there a simple method to determine if
 dissolved silver is present ?

 When testing CS, is there a simple method to accurately
 quantify dissolved silver levels ?


 --Bill



 from:  A Closer Look At Colloidal Silver
By Peter A. Lindemann
http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm

  Colloidal or Ionic?

 Another big controversy surrounds the question of whether this
 method produces colloidal silver or ionic silver. Most people
 have been told that colloidal silver is good and ionic silver is
 bad. Once again, the truth might be unpopular. The word
 colloidal refers to a condition where, in this case, a solid
 particle is SUSPENDED in a liquid (silver in water). The solid
 particles are too large to be considered DISSOLVED, but are too
 small to be filtered out. This colloidal condition is most easily
 detected by what is called the Tyndall effect, where a narrow
 beam of light is shined through the liquid to produce a cone shaped
 dispersion of the light. The particles so illuminated also exhibit
 a random, zig-zag activity called Brownian motion when observed
 under a microscope. When something is completely dissolved, both
 the Brownian and Tyndall effects disappear.

 The word ionic refers to a condition where a particle has an
 electric charge. In the case of electro-colloidal silver, this
 electric charge is ALWAYS positive. Silver will not form a
 negatively charged ion. So, the truth is that electro-colloidal
 silver is BOTH colloidal and ionic. It is considered colloidal
 because of the particle SIZE and it is considered ionic because of
 the particle CHARGE. In fact, most of the biological studies
 suggest it is colloidal silver's ionic characteristics that make it
 such a good germicide. It is also interesting to note that the old
 chemistry books make no distinction between the colloidal and ionic
 states of the electro-colloidal metals.

 




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Re: An observation...

[Bill Kingsbury]

Chuck,

Thanks for clarifying the purposes of the bulb.  The basic 
question, however, is still looking for an answer:

 Does anyone know how to design a 5 mA current regulator ?
 (Any references or ideas appreciated.)

As Mike wrote:

 ...it makes sense to try current limiting at something below
 that at which the descending cloud of darker particles is seen.
 That's what I would try.

 I've long thought that current limiting schemes of various sort
 would emerge as the best strategy once we start to really study
 the process.

Any clues ?

--Bill


At 11:21 AM 7-13-98 -0700, Chuck wrote:

This is Marsha's husband replying.  My name is Chuck Hallett and my
profession is Electrical Engineering.  I am writing to hopefully describe
the purpose of the light bulb in the silver generator circuit.

The primary purpose of the bulb is to limit current in the event the
electrodes touch each other (short circuit).

When the wires touch, or your alligator clips touch, the current in the
batteries and the wires is limited only by the internal resistance of the
batteries and the connecting wires.  Electrical Current generates heat.
Lots of current generates lots of heat.  Try this, take a single
nine volt
battery (a used but not totally dead one) and connect a spare
alligator clip
lead to each terminal.  You should notice the wire getting anything from
warm to hot enough to melt the insulation.

The bulb limits the current to 40 milliamps which is a reasonable
amount of
current for the battery circuit, and far below what the colloidal silver
process will use.

If the leads short together, at best, your batteries ($4.95 retail each)
will quickly discharge and you'll be out buying new ones.  At worst
the heat
generated could cause the wires to melt, and at an extreme, cause a fire.

Why a 28 volt 40 milliamp lamp?  Answer: Economies of supply.

28 volts because we don't want the bult to burn out if we short the wires
together. When this happens all you've done is closed the switch on
what is
now the equivalent of a flashlight.  If  a smaller voltage bulb
were used,
it would glow very brightly for a short period of time and burn
out.  Then
it would act like a blown fuse, i.e. no silver generation until replaced
with a new bulb.

40 milliamps because it is a reasonable limiting value for the
circuit and
more importantly it is a commonly available bulb (at Radio Shack anyway).
Just like the light bulbs you put in your lamps, these small lamps
come in
standard sizes.  You can get different sizes which would work, but
they are
harder to get and much more expensive.

Lastly the bulb serves as a battery condition indicator.

The bulb serves no purpose in the silver generation process, it is only
there for the reasons stated, and you can make a perfectly functioning
generator without the bulb, by connecting the silver electrodes
directly to
the batteries.  You just run the risk of running your batteries down
quickly.  If you are worried about a fire, either make sure nothing
combustible is near the batteries  wire, or don't do it.

I hope this sheds some light (pun intended) on the situation.  Direct all
flames to me at w7...@usa.net

-Original Message-
From: Bill Kingsbury kings...@gte.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: An observation...



I read that the 40 mA bulb was used to limit the current to
40 mA maximum -- and lower currents would be desirable, (if
smaller bulbs were available) to minimize colloidal particle size.

George's current is no where near 40 mA, and the results seem
to be compromised or questionable, already (at 36 vdc).

Does anyone know how to design a 5 mA current regulator ?
(Any references or ideas appreciated.)

Or, could one use 6 vdc, and keep a batch running 24 hours a day
(in a dark place) ?

--Bill



At 10:10 AM 7-13-98 -5, Mike D. wrote:

On 13 Jul 98 at 22:15, George Martin wrote:

 When the current read 8.0 - 10.0 ma
 I noticed something different occur.  In addition to the CS
 'floating' around in the vicinity of the electrodes there was
 also a rather thick 'stream' of CS that was sinking to the
 bottom of the container.

Hello George,

Excellent set of observations. Your setup is very similar to mine.
I see the same effect at about the same current.

I wonder if those are larger particles. A long time ago Rose used a
microscope at work to look at some CS I made that was run for a long
time (different apparatus and recipe than I'm using now). She saw
much larger particles mixed with the almost invisible smaller ones.

Above a certain current, some people have talked about burning the
silver particles. I doubt that's a proper description, but it conveys
the notion that the particles made are different.

So it makes sense to try current limiting at something below that at
which the descending cloud of darker particles is seen. That's what I
would try.

I've long thought that current limiting schemes of various sort

Re: 28 vdc power supply

[Bill Kingsbury]

I'll see if I can find a low-cost, waterproof, 
non-conductive housing and circuit breaker...

Everyone is already using ground-fault circuit breakers
on all their outlets in the kitchen (and bath), right ?

--Bill


7-12-98, Mike D. wrote:

12 Jul 98, Bill wrote:

  Here's a source for a Power-One brand linear power supply
  (part no. HB2B-1-A). 
...
  Can anyone see a problem using this particular
  power supply to run a 'plug-in' CS generator ?

Only the matter of wiring and packaging, assuming it is an open 
frame supply, or there are screw terminals that have to be wired to 
house current. One nice thing about batteries is you can't 
electrocute somebody with 'em.

If we are explicit, complete, and include pictures with our
instructions we ought to be able to guide just about anyone through
the project safely. It could, as you say, be useful for testing our 
standard recipe.

Be well,

Mike D.


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28 vdc power supply

[Bill Kingsbury]

 Here's a source for a Power-One brand linear power supply
 (part no. HB2B-1-A).  It's 28 vdc x 1 amp maximum output;
 input (range): 100-240 vac, 47-63 Hz x 0.75 amp.  It has
 adjustable output +/- 5% ; line/load regulation +/- 0.05%
 or better.  Ripple less than 5 mV peak-peak. 

 Costs $20  (10 for $175).   Size 4 x 5 x 2-3/4.
 from: CH Sales Company - 1-800-325-9465 (Pasadena, CA)
 e-mail: ch...@thegrid.net(request catalog)
 (min. order $30, or add $5 handling; shipping extra)


 This would have a much more stable output than batteries,
 (or $5 wall transformer) -- good for standardized testing.
 --

 Can anyone see a problem using this particular
 power supply to run a 'plug-in' CS generator ?


 --Bill





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Re: caster oil

[Bill Kingsbury]

 From the article by Dr. David G. Williams, M.D.:

 Castor oil is a triglyceride of fatty acids.  Almost 90 percent
 of its fatty acid content consists of ricinoleic acid.  To my
 knowledge, ricinoleic acid is not found in any other substance
 except castor oil.  Such a high concentration of this unusual,
 unsaturated fatty acid is thought to be responsible for castor
 oil's remarkable healing abilities.
   Ricinoleic acid has been shown to be effective in preventing the
 growth of numerous species of viruses, bacteria, yeasts and molds.
 (J Am Oil Chem Soc 61;37.323-325.)


 I think we'd have heard from the FDA, years ago,
 if Castor Oil contained the illegal nerve gas 'ricin'. 
 And Edgar Cayce would be listed along with Adolph Hitler
 and the Unibomber.

 --Bill 


 ---
 From: Debbie McDonald lullw...@flash.net
 To:   silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998
 Subj: Re: caster oil

 Found this on the newsgroupsG Can anyone dispute it with facts
 or should we do more digging?  Deb 

  
   castor oil contains ricin, one of the most potent poisons known.
   A single molecule will kill a cell (by chewing up ribosomes if
   memory serves).  The oil is used as a cathartic.  Not sure
   whether this is a true stimulant cathartic a class of drugs
   that too many women only learn to avoid after they have to
   consult a doctor because their colon doesn't work anymore.
  
   Avoid castor oil, if someone tells you it is healthful, see if
   they are also taking DDT pills and ask for a reputable reference.
  
   Robert Read, DVM, PhD
 
  
  Looked up ricin.  Toxic indeed!! LD50 .001 ug/gram!  But why do
  women seem to fall victim to this?  They just happen to use it
  more?  And is there really damage to the colon, given the 3-day
  turnaround time for the lining?

 -- 

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Re: Castor Oil

[Bill Kingsbury]

7-5-98, Charles L. Church wrote:

Dear List,

Would the person who posted that GREAT message on castor oil be willing
to send it along to me at h...@piggott.net ? I seem to have misplaced it.
Also, would it be acceptable to put this information on my home page?
http://www.piggott.net/~hhr/


 Charles,

 I'm sending your copy separately.  You'd really need to ask 
 Dr. Williams about posting a copy -- the article is from 
 his copyrighted newsletter, Alternatives.  It's published by 
 Mountain Home Publishing, 2700 Cummings Lane, Kerrville, TX 78028
 phone 210-367-4492   Ask for subscription information, too.

 --Bill



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Re: TDS-1 - HVAC and low pH

[Bill Kingsbury]

 Bill, Bob,

 I have a hunch that the low pH is caused by electrolysis.  The high
 voltage is breaking the water into hydrogen and oxygen.  Then the
 dissolved hydrogen causes the pH to fall.  With an acid pH, the
 silver rods are rapidly dissolving, accounting for the high TDS. 

 Sounds like the HVAC method may have some flaws, and the results
 may not be what you want  Further research needed before
 using the product on people ???  

 --Bill K.


 At 03:14 PM 6-23-98 -0500, Bob Lee wrote:
 
  Hi Bill and list,
 
  This is very interesting. You have indicated that everything is
  OK using DC, normal ppm and pH. Then you say its abnormal using
  AC (HVAC), with hi ppm and pH close to vinegar. I can understand
  the hi ppm, caused by large particles of silver (larger than
  100mu, milli-microns) ...
 
  snip
 
  About the pH however , its not very clear what the cause could
  be. Something is there that should not be there, a contaminate
  of some kind.
 
  Pure water and pure silver will not give much of a pH change.
  I find my CS is slightly base (alkaline) at 6.8 pH after making
  it.
 


 bill...@cheerful.com wrote:
  
  Bob,
  
  My TDS-1 seems to work fine with DC CS however when i use my
  HVAC CS maker (Motherlode) it seems to read way too high. 
  Making the HVAC CS according to specs I should only be reading
  8-10 ppm but I am reading 63 - 68 PPM, also the ph goes from
  7 when I start to 3.5 at the end. With DC I end up reading
  8 - 12 PPM and there is no change in the ph, it stays at 7.
  
  Any ideas?
  
  thanks,
  Bill
 




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Fwd: [Rife-L] Re: UV

[Bill Kingsbury]

Pete,

The short answer:  UV light produces hydrogen peroxide (H2O2)
in water, or ozone (O3) in air, and either of these products
is germicidal.  If that 'UV gizmo' is a quality unit, then 
it should work well.

I got mine from Jim Nigra, 818-889-6877.  Coast Filtration 
(factory 714-990-4602) model UVMB-6, 6 watts, 12-18 months life, 
1 gal/min, 2.5 dia x 13 long, 1/4 tube fittings, was $70.  
Intended for use between your prefilter and main filter
(it keeps germs from breeding in your water filter, too.)

--Bill


At 08:51 PM 6-20-98 -0400, Pete wrote:
Hi list

 Anyone know how ultraviolet light manages to kill germs? 
 What exactly are the mechanics involved?  Is it action
 similar to that produced by the Rife ray?  Just saw an
 ad for a UV gizmo thats supposed to purify water and was
 wondering if it it worked...

Pete





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Re: OzWater/Ozone Sufflation

[Bill Kingsbury]

Try these 'ozone therapy' URLs:

http://www.oxytherapy.com
http://www.o3zone.com
http://www.sota-inc.com/ozone/
http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/oxygen.html

--Bill


At 12:13 PM 6-18-98 -0500, you wrote:

Dear Silver Folks,

 snip
 ... one e-mail that was sent to me mentioned a great deal 
 about the ozone therapy. 

 snip 
 If not here, where could such information be come by? 

 Thanks again for all your help.

 Sincerely,

 Charles L. Church



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Re: Pulsed high voltage?

[Bill Kingsbury]

 Re: Pulsed high voltage?

 Below, find two earlier posts on using 'high voltage' to make CS.

 Does someone have more info, or related URLs to explore ?

 Thanks.

 --Bill

 ~
 6-16-98, you wrote:
 
 I have a friend who has hepatitis C, and is very symptomatic. He is
 going to start taking colloidal silver on an experimental basis, and was
 told by a friend that most generators don't generate correct particle
 size. Of course his friend's colloidal silver costs big bucks. His
 friend said that most colloidal silver is too big, and that it does
 not get into the blood easily. Of course, with blood born diseases such
 as hepatitis C, colloidal silver will have little effect if it can't get
 into the blood. His friend's answer was to make colloidal silver with
 about 100,000 volts. His friend said that this produced a much smaller
 particle size. I'm not sure, but I think my friend thought the voltage
 was pulsed.
 
 This has probably been discussed before, if so maybe someone can re-post
 the info. Also, if anyone has anecdotal information on colloidal silver
 as regards hepatitis, I would appreciate it.
 
 -- Gabe
 

 ~

 From: Christian von Wechmar christ...@owf.co.za
 To:   silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998
 Subj: My HVAC setup (high-voltage AC)

 Hi Fred and List,

 On 4/30/98, you wrote:
 
  Could you give a good enough description of your unit for someone else
  to try and duplicate it? I have a 9000 VAC 60 Hz 30 mA transformer
  sitting here just looking for a purpose in life :-)

 I'll try... My unit consists of three parts: the power supply, the
 brewing vessel with electrodes and the water in it. I'll describe 
 all three. (I'll paste in some of my previous posts :)

 I use a 12000 volt ac transformer with the following specs: 
 Primary: 240 v - 1.65 amp
 Secondary: 12000 v - 30 milliamp
 50 Hz, 360 VA

 This unit is used by neon display companies to power the tubes in the
 neon signs. Here in SA the transformers can be found in 5000, 6000,
 9000, 1 and 12000 volt, all 30 milliamp. This is according to a guy
 at a neon sign manufacturer. 

 The transformer measures 225 mm long, 95 mm wide and 130 mm high. It
 weighs just under 10 kg and is made in Hong Kong - ah so! : 

 I connect a multimeter in series with the live wire and leave it so as
 to monitor input current for the whole duration of a typical 4 hour run.
 I first measured the current with the transformer under no load, no
 wires connected at the secondary terminals and it drew a constant 0.16
 amp. 

 I use a one liter glass beaker. I will upgrade this to 2 liter shortly.
 I have a piece of plastic - gray stuff in-between nylon and hard
 plastic - that I machined on a lathe to fit securely on the top of the
 beaker. You don't want anything to move around at 12000 volt! It is
 about 7 mm thick and 11 mm in diameter. It has two ventilation slots on
 top. 

 The electrode configuration is almost exactly the same as the Bruce Marx
 setup. Warren was kind enough to measure his setup on the HVAC Ultra.
 I'll just paste in his very detailed description. (Thanks again
Warren.)  

 -start paste- 

 The way my CSPro Ultra is set up, there is a bar of silver which is
 about 1.5 millimeters thick and about 10 by 2 1/2 centimeters. It is
 suspended by two copper wires hanging down from a female banana plug in
 the plastic top of the plastic container where the CS is produced. The
 silver bar hangs horizontally from the two copper wires in the form of
 an inverted v terminating in bent ends like the letter j passing
 through two holes drilled in the upper edge of the silver bar. The bar
 hangs in the water up to a millimeter or so from the copper wires. In
 other words, the vast majority of the silver bar is hanging in the
 distilled water almost to the level of the two holes which are drilled
 near the top of the bar. 

 On the plastic top to each side of the banana plug terminal for the bar
 at about 3 and 1/2 centimeters is found another female banana plug
 terminal. A copper wire connects these two terminals. One of the female
 banana plugs is filled with plastic so nothing plugs  into it. Suspended
 from each is copper wire that is formed into a one centimeter coil (to
 allow adjustment) and then terminates in another j . A short (about 2
 1/2 centimeter) twisted piece of silver wire with an eye hangs on each
 copper j wire and is set at about 1 or 2 millimeters from the surface
 of the distilled water (These hang on each side of the hanging bar).
 When the unit is set up with the cables from the machine plugged into
 the top of the water container and all clearances are correct (silver
 bar in the distilled water all but a couple of millimeters, twisted
 silver wires a couple of millimeters from the top of the water) then I
 am ready to turn on the power. At that time, if I have good 

CS for MS - MS may be infectious in nature

[Bill Kingsbury]

 Colloidal silver is possibly useful for treating MS:

 CS may be an effective treatment for Multiple Sclerosis, since
 (at least some) MS has reportedly been found to be infectious
 in nature:

 1) MS has been found to be caused by Chlamydia pneumonia.

 2) In other studies, MS has been found to be a spirochetal disease
like Lyme Disease.

 Below are some references.

 --Bill


 P.S.--

 MS can be caused by a vitamin B12 deficiency or a B12 blockage
 which can be caused by B12 analogues (inactive forms of B12).
 B12 analogues can be produced by certain micro-organisms, and
 at least hypothetically, these could colonize the human digestive
 tract.  CS could possibly control any such organisms. 

 Note:  Spirulina algae, often used as a food, also contains
 B12 analogues, and if consumed frequently, may eventually be
 unhealthy, even for people who don't have MS.  Although the
 body normally stores up to a five year's supply of vitamin B12,
 analogues may block the use of these stores -- thus a normal
 B12 blood test could be misleading.  Blood tests for detecting
 B12 analogues are rarely done, except in research projects.

 The coenzyme forms of vitamin B12 will probably circumvent any 
 B12 analogue blockages.  The coenzyme forms of B12 are the
 methyl-, hydroxo-, and S-adenosyl- cobalamins.  B12 injections
 also may circumvent B12 analogue blockages.



 ~~~
 From: rifet...@rt66.com (James Bare)
 To:   rife-l...@eskimo.com
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998
 Subj: MS- A breakthrough!

 I just finished talking with a woman who has MS. She has been in a
 clinical trial for the past 11 months. Prior to the start of the
 trial she had been in a wheel chair for 11 years, she was unable to
 open her hands and could not walk.  

 She now can walk, is able to drive and can use her hands again for
 the first time in years. She is still weak, has residual symptoms,
 and must use a wheel chair for prolonged outings,  but is still
 showing improvement. 

 MS has been found to be caused by Chlamydia pneumonia. 

 A major paper is about to be released on this breakthrough in some
 Neurology Journal. The tests were done by Vanderbilt University.
 Treatment has been something of an antibiotic cocktail with the use
 of some sort of special machines to bypass the blood brain barrier. 

 Biggest problem is the antibiotics can cause liver toxicity. 

 The Chlamydia produce excess porphyrin (can cause severe CNS
 symptoms), and also upset the cells mitochondria.  

 Chlamydia live inside of cells as a parasite. 

 So does anyone know of a frequency for this parasitic organism?.

 Jim



 ~~~
 From: Reid Smith rsm...@intrnet.net
 To:   rife-l...@eskimo.com
 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998
 Subj: Re: MS- A breakthrough!

  I just finished talking with a woman who has MS.  She has been in
  a clinical trial for the past 11 months.  Prior to the start of
  the trial she had been in a wheel chair for 11 years, she was
  unable to open her hands and could not walk. 
 
  She now can walk, is able to drive and can use her hands again
  for the first time in years.  She is still weak, has residual
  symptoms, and must use a wheel chair for prolonged outings, but
  is still showing improvement.  MS has been found to be caused
  by Chlamydia pneumonia.

 I was diagnosed with MS in the begining and tested positive for
 Chlamydia then a second test showed negative. That shows you just
 how good their tests are. That was the only thing that they could
 find wrong with me at the time. I'd be interested in knowning what
 antibotics they are using. Also Chlamydia was said to cause heart
 problems and heart attacks. 

 Biggest problem is the antibiotics can cause liver toxicity.
 So does anyone know of a frequency for this parasitic organism?.

 Try 1520, 610-620, 880, and 5000.  The first four work in me or at
 least help. The third was reported by someone else on the list to
 help MS victoms. I'll check and see how the chlamidia frequency
 works in me. 

 From the list:

 Chlamydia 430,620,624,840,2213


 Take Care 

 Reid

 
 You can visit my website at http://www.eskimo.com/~reid/
 


 ~~~
 From: miden...@aol.com
 To:   silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998
 Subj: Re: use of silver for cpms

 http://www.lymealliance.org/html/july.html


 Researcher Reveals Possible
 Lyme  Multiple Sclerosis Connection
 
 by Kim Weber, From the Tick Talk - May/June 1997

 Known for her work in pathology and her extensive research in cell
 wall deficient bacteria, Lida H. Mattman, Ph.D., is rocking the
 medical community with her discoveries in Lyme disease and Multiple
 Sclerosis. On May 6th in 

Re: CS nasal spray / hair

[Bill Kingsbury]

 5-21-98, NCOAMA wrote:
 
  i havn't used it in my nose for very long but i have put
  it on my head for nearly two years.  my scalp is still
  flesh color and my hair is much younger looking (even
  the new hair that the cs grew)


 This makes sense, considering the theory that hair-loss is 
 infectious in nature, (usually?) due to fungus or mites living 
 in the hair follicles.  

 There was a news-slot on CBS channel 2, around six weeks ago, 
 regarding the purported discovery of the root-cause of hair loss.  
 I missed it, but I saw the two-second preview shot -- of a 
 wiggly mite, somehow clearly filmed in a hair follicle.

 Does anyone have more info ?  I tried looking on their web 
 page:  www.channel2000.com , but there was nothing there, at 
 that time.

 There was a special on PBS TV (Nova ?) on mites earlier this 
 year.  The largest mites (in humans) are found in the eye-lash 
 follicles, and they are found in pores and follicles everywhere 
 on the body -- unless you take peroxide baths often, I guess.

 Or colloidal silver baths...  Yes, a CS hair rinse makes sense.

 CS in the washing machine might make sense, also, since mites 
 live in clothing and bedding -- where ever there's (dead) human
 skin flakes (or dandruff).  Pillows and mattresses are the most
 mite- populated places.  Would a CS pillow- spray work ?

 Dust mites, naturally, live on dust, but most dust is purported
 to be human skin flakes.  'Mite control' is important for those
 with allergies and asthma, since mites (and mite feces) are a
 MAJOR allergy trigger. 


 --Bill




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Re: re-garding collodial silver, copper,?

[Bill Kingsbury]

Hi All,

You can find Mark Metcalf's two excellent articles posted on 
his web site (they were also published in Perceptions Magazine).

See:
 BANISHING DISEASE WITH THREE 9-VOLT BATTERIES

 http://www.silversolutions.com/1.html  (part 1)
 http://www.silversolutions.com/4.html  (part 2)

Also see:  http://www.silversolutions.com  --for other practical 
information about making your own colloidal silver.


By the way, does the Silver-List have archives of past messages ?
How does one access the archives ?

--Bill K.


~~
At 02:30 PM 4-30-98 -5, Mike D. wrote:

On 30 Apr 98 at 11:44, Mike Slivinski wrote:

 From Article in perceptions magazine 1996 may/june by author Mark
 Metcalf, Quote from article Under emergency conditions it would be
 good to remeber that U.S. silver coins from 1964 and earlier
 contain 90 percent silver, nine percent copper and one percent
 zinc, all which are known to have beneficial properties if used in
 a collodial state.

snip

 Article is information packed.
 thanks mike slivinski

Hang on to those articles. We should see if we can get the
publisher's permission to post them to our web site. We'll at least
mention them in the massive bibliography we're compiling, right? g

Be well,

Mike D.




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