Re: CS>Silver citrate production

[Peter Deckers]

Thanks Dee, John and Ode!

I am going to have to read that link John send a couple of more times
before i might get a better grasp on it though.(pretty tough stuff,
especially when english and math skills are lacking)
I wonder how that djokic paper's silver citrate mixed with citrate acid
water would hold up against electrolysed silver citrate killing pathogens
wise. (Considering that what Ode said about "more things going on in
electrolysis", which makes sense )
But the Djokic paper and the silver100 product would suggest that non
electrolysed silver still packs a massive punch.. If not equal.. But a
google search on silver citrate gives very few results, mostly
silver nitrate comes up.
I was starting to lean towards an experiment with just buying some silver
citrate from a chemical company and see how far i got with it, but now Ode
got me thinking that i might give the electrolysis another shot.. But not
sure how i would know exactly how much ppm silver would be in the product..

Anyways, thanks for contributing and keep the intell coming pls!


Op vrijdag 25 maart 2016 heeft Ode Coyote  het
volgende geschreven:

> A PPM meter will not detect non conductive molecules.
> There is more going on in the electrolysis process than just silver and
> citric acid [add in mon-atomic oxygen and hydrogen?  Silver oxide and
> hydroxide? ]  and I have not been successful in making an acceptable
> citrate product.
>
> Ode
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Peter Deckers  > wrote:
>
>> Anyone? I hope i didn't scare everyone away :P
>>
>> Op maandag 21 maart 2016 heeft Peter Deckers > > het volgende
>> geschreven:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> I am a "long time listener and first time caller" here :-))
>>>
>>> First of all i want to thank all the experts here helping out the less
>>> gifted in the field of chemistry, physics and electronics like me :-)
>>>
>>> I have been reading as much as i could here involving the subjects i am
>>> interested in, but i am afraid i still need some help if possible.
>>>
>>> I have been suffering over 10 years from multiple extremely resistant
>>> forms of skin problems like seborrheic dermatitis and athletes foot to name
>>> a few, and tried just about everything on the planet for it.
>>> One of the things i have been experimenting with lately is silver
>>> citrate.
>>> I have multiple silver generators at home, from very small like the
>>> silver pulser, to much larger like the silvergen, to a hvac system that
>>> also produce gold.(and claims to produce mainly colloids instead of ions)
>>>
>>> Anyway, i would really like to try and make the "original" silver
>>> dihydrate citrate myself, because buying it in the usa is already
>>> expensive, but then shipping it to my country would double the costs..
>>> Unfortunately my lvac systems are current limited so the high ppm stuff
>>> won't work. (Although the sota silver pulser seems to continue working
>>> during extremely high ppm citrate solutions, the numbers dont add up to me.
>>> F.e. I started with 3140ppm distilled water/citrate solution, but when i
>>> used the silver pulser in that, the ppm didn't increase.
>>> Which if i read correctly here is because the silver combines with the
>>> citrate to form a new molecule that doesn't increase ppm because the silver
>>> isn't and extra ingredient because it combines.
>>> But it could also be because my ppm meter was broken (thereafter), but
>>> soon i will have my hanna PH/ppm/EC meter repaired so i hope that can help
>>> with analysing what is happening.
>>>
>>> Because the electrolysing of citrate solution seemed a bit challenging
>>> to me to know exactly what is happening, i also tried to just make ionic
>>> silver with my silvergen and just add citrate afterwards.(if that even
>>> works? Because if so why are there somany patents about the electrolysing
>>> citric acid method if it would be totally unneccesary?)
>>>
>>> Again if i calculated correctly, which i am pretty sure i didn't, for my
>>> 10ppm silver i would have to add approximately 3ppm citrate in theory,
>>> right? (So the new solution would have a 13ppm total)
>>> I experimented with all kind of different citrate solutions and although
>>> it did seem to help my skin more then silver alone, it wasn't enough..
>>> So that is why i am trying to find the easiest and/or most reliable way
>>> to produce the full strenght silver citrate.
>>>
>>> Another route i was thinking of is to just buy silver citrate and
>>> dissolve that in citric acid.
>>> But again i am not sure if i understand the math.
>>> I read the following here:
>>> "Silvercitrate solubility is 0.28gr/liter = 280ppm (this works out to be
>>> 58ppm of silver)"
>>> I dont understand this because as far as i can find silver citrate has
>>> 63% silver content, so i would think 63% of 280ppm would mean 176ppm silver
>>> instead of 58ppm)
>>>
>>> But please ignore all my questions and mistakes if someone could just
>>> tell me the best way(s) to produce the exact same as

Re: CS>Silver citrate production

[Ode Coyote]

A PPM meter will not detect non conductive molecules.
There is more going on in the electrolysis process than just silver and
citric acid [add in mon-atomic oxygen and hydrogen?  Silver oxide and
hydroxide? ]  and I have not been successful in making an acceptable
citrate product.

Ode

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Peter Deckers 
wrote:

> Anyone? I hope i didn't scare everyone away :P
>
> Op maandag 21 maart 2016 heeft Peter Deckers 
> het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>> I am a "long time listener and first time caller" here :-))
>>
>> First of all i want to thank all the experts here helping out the less
>> gifted in the field of chemistry, physics and electronics like me :-)
>>
>> I have been reading as much as i could here involving the subjects i am
>> interested in, but i am afraid i still need some help if possible.
>>
>> I have been suffering over 10 years from multiple extremely resistant
>> forms of skin problems like seborrheic dermatitis and athletes foot to name
>> a few, and tried just about everything on the planet for it.
>> One of the things i have been experimenting with lately is silver citrate.
>> I have multiple silver generators at home, from very small like the
>> silver pulser, to much larger like the silvergen, to a hvac system that
>> also produce gold.(and claims to produce mainly colloids instead of ions)
>>
>> Anyway, i would really like to try and make the "original" silver
>> dihydrate citrate myself, because buying it in the usa is already
>> expensive, but then shipping it to my country would double the costs..
>> Unfortunately my lvac systems are current limited so the high ppm stuff
>> won't work. (Although the sota silver pulser seems to continue working
>> during extremely high ppm citrate solutions, the numbers dont add up to me.
>> F.e. I started with 3140ppm distilled water/citrate solution, but when i
>> used the silver pulser in that, the ppm didn't increase.
>> Which if i read correctly here is because the silver combines with the
>> citrate to form a new molecule that doesn't increase ppm because the silver
>> isn't and extra ingredient because it combines.
>> But it could also be because my ppm meter was broken (thereafter), but
>> soon i will have my hanna PH/ppm/EC meter repaired so i hope that can help
>> with analysing what is happening.
>>
>> Because the electrolysing of citrate solution seemed a bit challenging to
>> me to know exactly what is happening, i also tried to just make ionic
>> silver with my silvergen and just add citrate afterwards.(if that even
>> works? Because if so why are there somany patents about the electrolysing
>> citric acid method if it would be totally unneccesary?)
>>
>> Again if i calculated correctly, which i am pretty sure i didn't, for my
>> 10ppm silver i would have to add approximately 3ppm citrate in theory,
>> right? (So the new solution would have a 13ppm total)
>> I experimented with all kind of different citrate solutions and although
>> it did seem to help my skin more then silver alone, it wasn't enough..
>> So that is why i am trying to find the easiest and/or most reliable way
>> to produce the full strenght silver citrate.
>>
>> Another route i was thinking of is to just buy silver citrate and
>> dissolve that in citric acid.
>> But again i am not sure if i understand the math.
>> I read the following here:
>> "Silvercitrate solubility is 0.28gr/liter = 280ppm (this works out to be
>> 58ppm of silver)"
>> I dont understand this because as far as i can find silver citrate has
>> 63% silver content, so i would think 63% of 280ppm would mean 176ppm silver
>> instead of 58ppm)
>>
>> But please ignore all my questions and mistakes if someone could just
>> tell me the best way(s) to produce the exact same as the silverion2400
>> product, which is supposed to have a MIC against malassezia furfur of 0.25%
>> Does that mean that silverion2400 can be diluted 400 times to still
>> comply with the tested MIC?
>>
>> I apologize for my incoherent and perhaps confusing writing, but i wanted
>> the experts here to see all the things that go on in my mind :-) and the
>> (amature) level i am still on concerning this.
>>
>> Any help would be very much aprreciated!
>> All the best,
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>

Re: CS>Silver citrate production

[John Popelish]

On 03/24/2016 04:26 PM, Peter Deckers wrote:

Anyone? I hope i didn't scare everyone away :P



I'm an electrical engineer, not a chemist, so I don't 
understand the difference between silver dihydrogen citrate 
and silver citrate.  But i found this paper that describes 
several different ways to produce silver citrate from 
various other chemicals, (mostly starting with silver nitrate).


http://www.hindawi.com/journals/bca/2008/436458/

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Re: CS>Silver citrate production

[Dee]

The ones that spring to mind are Ode and John Popelish I would have thought - 
maybe Trem too.Dee

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> On 24 Mar 2016, at 20:26, Peter Deckers  wrote:
> 
> Anyone? I hope i didn't scare everyone away :P
> 
> Op maandag 21 maart 2016 heeft Peter Deckers  het 
> volgende geschreven:
>> Hi everyone,
>> I am a "long time listener and first time caller" here :-))
>> 
>> First of all i want to thank all the experts here helping out the less 
>> gifted in the field of chemistry, physics and electronics like me :-)
>> 
>> I have been reading as much as i could here involving the subjects i am 
>> interested in, but i am afraid i still need some help if possible.
>> 
>> I have been suffering over 10 years from multiple extremely resistant forms 
>> of skin problems like seborrheic dermatitis and athletes foot to name a few, 
>> and tried just about everything on the planet for it.
>> One of the things i have been experimenting with lately is silver citrate.
>> I have multiple silver generators at home, from very small like the silver 
>> pulser, to much larger like the silvergen, to a hvac system that also 
>> produce gold.(and claims to produce mainly colloids instead of ions)
>> 
>> Anyway, i would really like to try and make the "original" silver dihydrate 
>> citrate myself, because buying it in the usa is already expensive, but then 
>> shipping it to my country would double the costs..
>> Unfortunately my lvac systems are current limited so the high ppm stuff 
>> won't work. (Although the sota silver pulser seems to continue working 
>> during extremely high ppm citrate solutions, the numbers dont add up to me. 
>> F.e. I started with 3140ppm distilled water/citrate solution, but when i 
>> used the silver pulser in that, the ppm didn't increase.
>> Which if i read correctly here is because the silver combines with the 
>> citrate to form a new molecule that doesn't increase ppm because the silver 
>> isn't and extra ingredient because it combines.
>> But it could also be because my ppm meter was broken (thereafter), but soon 
>> i will have my hanna PH/ppm/EC meter repaired so i hope that can help with 
>> analysing what is happening.
>> 
>> Because the electrolysing of citrate solution seemed a bit challenging to me 
>> to know exactly what is happening, i also tried to just make ionic silver 
>> with my silvergen and just add citrate afterwards.(if that even works? 
>> Because if so why are there somany patents about the electrolysing citric 
>> acid method if it would be totally unneccesary?)
>> 
>> Again if i calculated correctly, which i am pretty sure i didn't, for my 
>> 10ppm silver i would have to add approximately 3ppm citrate in theory, 
>> right? (So the new solution would have a 13ppm total)
>> I experimented with all kind of different citrate solutions and although it 
>> did seem to help my skin more then silver alone, it wasn't enough..
>> So that is why i am trying to find the easiest and/or most reliable way to 
>> produce the full strenght silver citrate.
>> 
>> Another route i was thinking of is to just buy silver citrate and dissolve 
>> that in citric acid.
>> But again i am not sure if i understand the math.
>> I read the following here: 
>> "Silvercitrate solubility is 0.28gr/liter = 280ppm (this works out to be 
>> 58ppm of silver)"
>> I dont understand this because as far as i can find silver citrate has 63% 
>> silver content, so i would think 63% of 280ppm would mean 176ppm silver 
>> instead of 58ppm)
>> 
>> But please ignore all my questions and mistakes if someone could just tell 
>> me the best way(s) to produce the exact same as the silverion2400 product, 
>> which is supposed to have a MIC against malassezia furfur of 0.25%
>> Does that mean that silverion2400 can be diluted 400 times to still comply 
>> with the tested MIC?
>> 
>> I apologize for my incoherent and perhaps confusing writing, but i wanted 
>> the experts here to see all the things that go on in my mind :-) and the 
>> (amature) level i am still on concerning this.
>> 
>> Any help would be very much aprreciated!
>> All the best,
>> Peter

Re: CS>Silver citrate production

[Peter Deckers]

Anyone? I hope i didn't scare everyone away :P

Op maandag 21 maart 2016 heeft Peter Deckers  het
volgende geschreven:

> Hi everyone,
> I am a "long time listener and first time caller" here :-))
>
> First of all i want to thank all the experts here helping out the less
> gifted in the field of chemistry, physics and electronics like me :-)
>
> I have been reading as much as i could here involving the subjects i am
> interested in, but i am afraid i still need some help if possible.
>
> I have been suffering over 10 years from multiple extremely resistant
> forms of skin problems like seborrheic dermatitis and athletes foot to name
> a few, and tried just about everything on the planet for it.
> One of the things i have been experimenting with lately is silver citrate.
> I have multiple silver generators at home, from very small like the silver
> pulser, to much larger like the silvergen, to a hvac system that also
> produce gold.(and claims to produce mainly colloids instead of ions)
>
> Anyway, i would really like to try and make the "original" silver
> dihydrate citrate myself, because buying it in the usa is already
> expensive, but then shipping it to my country would double the costs..
> Unfortunately my lvac systems are current limited so the high ppm stuff
> won't work. (Although the sota silver pulser seems to continue working
> during extremely high ppm citrate solutions, the numbers dont add up to me.
> F.e. I started with 3140ppm distilled water/citrate solution, but when i
> used the silver pulser in that, the ppm didn't increase.
> Which if i read correctly here is because the silver combines with the
> citrate to form a new molecule that doesn't increase ppm because the silver
> isn't and extra ingredient because it combines.
> But it could also be because my ppm meter was broken (thereafter), but
> soon i will have my hanna PH/ppm/EC meter repaired so i hope that can help
> with analysing what is happening.
>
> Because the electrolysing of citrate solution seemed a bit challenging to
> me to know exactly what is happening, i also tried to just make ionic
> silver with my silvergen and just add citrate afterwards.(if that even
> works? Because if so why are there somany patents about the electrolysing
> citric acid method if it would be totally unneccesary?)
>
> Again if i calculated correctly, which i am pretty sure i didn't, for my
> 10ppm silver i would have to add approximately 3ppm citrate in theory,
> right? (So the new solution would have a 13ppm total)
> I experimented with all kind of different citrate solutions and although
> it did seem to help my skin more then silver alone, it wasn't enough..
> So that is why i am trying to find the easiest and/or most reliable way to
> produce the full strenght silver citrate.
>
> Another route i was thinking of is to just buy silver citrate and dissolve
> that in citric acid.
> But again i am not sure if i understand the math.
> I read the following here:
> "Silvercitrate solubility is 0.28gr/liter = 280ppm (this works out to be
> 58ppm of silver)"
> I dont understand this because as far as i can find silver citrate has 63%
> silver content, so i would think 63% of 280ppm would mean 176ppm silver
> instead of 58ppm)
>
> But please ignore all my questions and mistakes if someone could just tell
> me the best way(s) to produce the exact same as the silverion2400 product,
> which is supposed to have a MIC against malassezia furfur of 0.25%
> Does that mean that silverion2400 can be diluted 400 times to still comply
> with the tested MIC?
>
> I apologize for my incoherent and perhaps confusing writing, but i wanted
> the experts here to see all the things that go on in my mind :-) and the
> (amature) level i am still on concerning this.
>
> Any help would be very much aprreciated!
> All the best,
> Peter
>
>
>

CS>Silver citrate production

[Peter Deckers]

Hi everyone,
I am a "long time listener and first time caller" here :-))

First of all i want to thank all the experts here helping out the less
gifted in the field of chemistry, physics and electronics like me :-)

I have been reading as much as i could here involving the subjects i am
interested in, but i am afraid i still need some help if possible.

I have been suffering over 10 years from multiple extremely resistant forms
of skin problems like seborrheic dermatitis and athletes foot to name a
few, and tried just about everything on the planet for it.
One of the things i have been experimenting with lately is silver citrate.
I have multiple silver generators at home, from very small like the silver
pulser, to much larger like the silvergen, to a hvac system that also
produce gold.(and claims to produce mainly colloids instead of ions)

Anyway, i would really like to try and make the "original" silver dihydrate
citrate myself, because buying it in the usa is already expensive, but then
shipping it to my country would double the costs..
Unfortunately my lvac systems are current limited so the high ppm stuff
won't work. (Although the sota silver pulser seems to continue working
during extremely high ppm citrate solutions, the numbers dont add up to me.
F.e. I started with 3140ppm distilled water/citrate solution, but when i
used the silver pulser in that, the ppm didn't increase.
Which if i read correctly here is because the silver combines with the
citrate to form a new molecule that doesn't increase ppm because the silver
isn't and extra ingredient because it combines.
But it could also be because my ppm meter was broken (thereafter), but soon
i will have my hanna PH/ppm/EC meter repaired so i hope that can help with
analysing what is happening.

Because the electrolysing of citrate solution seemed a bit challenging to
me to know exactly what is happening, i also tried to just make ionic
silver with my silvergen and just add citrate afterwards.(if that even
works? Because if so why are there somany patents about the electrolysing
citric acid method if it would be totally unneccesary?)

Again if i calculated correctly, which i am pretty sure i didn't, for my
10ppm silver i would have to add approximately 3ppm citrate in theory,
right? (So the new solution would have a 13ppm total)
I experimented with all kind of different citrate solutions and although it
did seem to help my skin more then silver alone, it wasn't enough..
So that is why i am trying to find the easiest and/or most reliable way to
produce the full strenght silver citrate.

Another route i was thinking of is to just buy silver citrate and dissolve
that in citric acid.
But again i am not sure if i understand the math.
I read the following here:
"Silvercitrate solubility is 0.28gr/liter = 280ppm (this works out to be
58ppm of silver)"
I dont understand this because as far as i can find silver citrate has 63%
silver content, so i would think 63% of 280ppm would mean 176ppm silver
instead of 58ppm)

But please ignore all my questions and mistakes if someone could just tell
me the best way(s) to produce the exact same as the silverion2400 product,
which is supposed to have a MIC against malassezia furfur of 0.25%
Does that mean that silverion2400 can be diluted 400 times to still comply
with the tested MIC?

I apologize for my incoherent and perhaps confusing writing, but i wanted
the experts here to see all the things that go on in my mind :-) and the
(amature) level i am still on concerning this.

Any help would be very much aprreciated!
All the best,
Peter