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I second that... Dan On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:42 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: http://tinyurl.com/cl5nm3 Chuck NEVER ! hold a cat while starting a chain-saw On 7/27/2009 1:32:35 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote: what is agar? dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 17:43, Marshall Dudley wrote: Here is a message from many years ago on the problem No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.32/2266 - Release Date: 07/27/09 05:58:00 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thank you Marshall. dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 19:54, Marshall Dudley wrote: Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: what is agar? dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 17:43, Marshall Dudley wrote:
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Here is a message from many years ago on the problem that CS does not work on agar. ---BeginMessage--- I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did the test purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics. Is there any information on how the test was run? I suspect that they used agar for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago confirm, CS will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that. Correct tests can ONLY be done in a thin broth. All our tests show 100% kill of all organisms in broth, and 0% kill of all organisms in gelled agar. Marshall James Holmes wrote: My initial un-thought-out response was; India...what are they trying to sell... Putting that aside, I think there was some flaw. No other tests have found this to be true. The only reference I can come up with is the comments of Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon. He said, We have not found a bacteria that it does not kill. It is an assumption on my part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Here ya go Marshall... -Forwarded Message- From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700 Greetings, everyone: Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the selective inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis Bio Pharma out of India in March. ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium longum, and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus. ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the above. Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus. Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, and Bifidobacterium longum. These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be confirmed by other parties capable of doing so. Best Regards, Jason --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/07/2004 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/OnSolB/TM -~- --- Our website address: http://www.silvermedicine.org Posting Rules: * No political posts, even health related, are permitted that are not directly related to another list members personal request or health condition. * No off-topic posting is permitted * All posts should contain language that is respectful toward other people. * Other health related information may be shared, provided that the information directly deals with another list member's health and well being. * No products or promotional material may be submitted as a part of messages. * Tag lines, within reason, are permitted at the end of email messages. * Violation of the above policy may result in immediate removal from the silvermedicine.org list without warning. No medical advice of any kind is given through this forum, and therefore no information shared is to be construed as such. Messages and materials shared are offered as personal experience, research, and discussion information for research purposes. As always, a licensed health-care professional should be consulted in all matters of illness and health. The FDA has listed all colloidal silver products as unclassified drugs. The FDA has no information on the safety or effectiveness of colloidal silver to treat any condition. To view the archives and membership area, goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/To contact the moderator privately send an email to: silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: silverdatawebsite-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted
Re: [Fwd: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]]
what is agar? dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 17:43, Marshall Dudley wrote: Here is a message from many years ago on the problem that CS does not work on agar.
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Blood Agar is one of several common growth media to cultivate organisms in labs, generally red in color. It can be bought preplated, or the lab can make it. Generally labs buy it preplated to save time.The organisms are applied to the surface of the growth medium in the plate and then placed in an incubator... It depends on the organisms you want to cultivate as to which media is used, and whether it's aerobic or anaerobic. Some organisms like blood agar, and some like other types of media. Annie Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: what is agar? dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 17:43, Marshall Dudley wrote: Here is a message from many years ago on the problem that CS does not work on agar. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thank you Annie. dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 19:27, Annie B Smythe wrote: Blood Agar is one of several common growth media to cultivate organisms in labs, generally red in color. It can be bought preplated, or the lab can make it. Generally labs buy it preplated to save time.The organisms are applied to the surface of the growth medium in the plate and then placed in an incubator... It depends on the organisms you want to cultivate as to which media is used, and whether it's aerobic or anaerobic. Some organisms like blood agar, and some like other types of media. Annie
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Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: what is agar? dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 17:43, Marshall Dudley wrote: Here is a message from many years ago on the problem that CS does not work on agar. Agar, or I think more appropriately agar agar is an extract of seaweed, which is similar to gelatin. It is used as a nutrient substrate for growing colonies of bacteria, mold, fungus and such. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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http://tinyurl.com/cl5nm3 Chuck NEVER ! hold a cat while starting a chain-saw On 7/27/2009 1:32:35 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote: what is agar? dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 17:43, Marshall Dudley wrote: Here is a message from many years ago on the problem No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.32/2266 - Release Date: 07/27/09 05:58:00
Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
That does not help at all. H2O2 works fine where the mobility of CS is absent. Marshall Jason Eaton wrote: Hi Mike... I've written the lab that did the research in India to determine exactly how they performed their cultures. The comparison they chose to use was ASAP @ 14PPM, 1.5% H2O2 Which of course resulted in rapid inhibition of the bacterial growth. Hopefully, they'll clarify how the testing was done! Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 6:09 AM Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Also, did the testing they were reporting on include any pathogenic bacteria for contrast? If they used the same method and ASAP didn't kill the bad bugs, it would be a hoot!! grin Be well, Mike D. Hi Marshal: Thanks for that. Upon referencing the orginal report: GYEA and TA were used - ( GYEA is a glucose/yeast agar ) - Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did the test purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics. Is there any information on how the test was run? I suspect that they used agar for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago confirm, CS will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that. Correct tests can ONLY be done in a thin broth. All our tests show 100% kill of all organisms in broth, and 0% kill of all organisms in gelled agar. Marshall James Holmes wrote: My initial un-thought-out response was; India...what are they trying to sell... Putting that aside, I think there was some flaw. No other tests have found this to be true. The only reference I can come up with is the comments of Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon. He said, We have not found a bacteria that it does not kill. It is an assumption on my part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests. JOH [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 04/22/2004
Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
Also, did the testing they were reporting on include any pathogenic bacteria for contrast? If they used the same method and ASAP didn't kill the bad bugs, it would be a hoot!! grin Be well, Mike D. Hi Marshal: Thanks for that. Upon referencing the orginal report: GYEA and TA were used - ( GYEA is a glucose/yeast agar ) - Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did the test purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics. Is there any information on how the test was run? I suspect that they used agar for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago confirm, CS will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that. Correct tests can ONLY be done in a thin broth. All our tests show 100% kill of all organisms in broth, and 0% kill of all organisms in gelled agar. Marshall James Holmes wrote: My initial un-thought-out response was; India...what are they trying to sell... Putting that aside, I think there was some flaw. No other tests have found this to be true. The only reference I can come up with is the comments of Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon. He said, We have not found a bacteria that it does not kill. It is an assumption on my part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests. JOH [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
Hi Mike... I've written the lab that did the research in India to determine exactly how they performed their cultures. The comparison they chose to use was ASAP @ 14PPM, 1.5% H2O2 Which of course resulted in rapid inhibition of the bacterial growth. Hopefully, they'll clarify how the testing was done! Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 6:09 AM Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Also, did the testing they were reporting on include any pathogenic bacteria for contrast? If they used the same method and ASAP didn't kill the bad bugs, it would be a hoot!! grin Be well, Mike D. Hi Marshal: Thanks for that. Upon referencing the orginal report: GYEA and TA were used - ( GYEA is a glucose/yeast agar ) - Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did the test purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics. Is there any information on how the test was run? I suspect that they used agar for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago confirm, CS will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that. Correct tests can ONLY be done in a thin broth. All our tests show 100% kill of all organisms in broth, and 0% kill of all organisms in gelled agar. Marshall James Holmes wrote: My initial un-thought-out response was; India...what are they trying to sell... Putting that aside, I think there was some flaw. No other tests have found this to be true. The only reference I can come up with is the comments of Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon. He said, We have not found a bacteria that it does not kill. It is an assumption on my part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests. JOH [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 04/22/2004
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Here ya go Marshall... -Forwarded Message- From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700 Greetings, everyone: Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the selective inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis Bio Pharma out of India in March. ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium longum, and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus. ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the above. Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus. Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, and Bifidobacterium longum. These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be confirmed by other parties capable of doing so. Best Regards, Jason --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/07/2004 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/OnSolB/TM -~- --- Our website address: http://www.silvermedicine.org Posting Rules: * No political posts, even health related, are permitted that are not directly related to another list members personal request or health condition. * No off-topic posting is permitted * All posts should contain language that is respectful toward other people. * Other health related information may be shared, provided that the information directly deals with another list member's health and well being. * No products or promotional material may be submitted as a part of messages. * Tag lines, within reason, are permitted at the end of email messages. * Violation of the above policy may result in immediate removal from the silvermedicine.org list without warning. No medical advice of any kind is given through this forum, and therefore no information shared is to be construed as such. Messages and materials shared are offered as personal experience, research, and discussion information for research purposes. As always, a licensed health-care professional should be consulted in all matters of illness and health. The FDA has listed all colloidal silver products as unclassified drugs. The FDA has no information on the safety or effectiveness of colloidal silver to treat any condition. To view the archives and membership area, goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/To contact the moderator privately send an email to: silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: silverdatawebsite-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
My initial un-thought-out response was; India...what are they trying to sell... Putting that aside, I think there was some flaw. No other tests have found this to be true. The only reference I can come up with is the comments of Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon. He said, We have not found a bacteria that it does not kill. It is an assumption on my part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Here ya go Marshall... -Forwarded Message- From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700 Greetings, everyone: Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the selective inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis Bio Pharma out of India in March. ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium longum, and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus. ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the above. Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus. Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, and Bifidobacterium longum. These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be confirmed by other parties capable of doing so. Best Regards, Jason --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/07/2004 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/OnSolB/TM -~- --- Our website address: http://www.silvermedicine.org Posting Rules: * No political posts, even health related, are permitted that are not directly related to another list members personal request or health condition. * No off-topic posting is permitted * All posts should contain language that is respectful toward other people. * Other health related information may be shared, provided that the information directly deals with another list member's health and well being. * No products or promotional material may be submitted as a part of messages. * Tag lines, within reason, are permitted at the end of email messages. * Violation of the above policy may result in immediate removal from the silvermedicine.org list without warning. No medical advice of any kind is given through this forum, and therefore no information shared is to be construed as such. Messages and materials shared are offered as personal experience, research, and discussion information for research purposes. As always, a licensed health-care professional should be consulted in all matters of illness and health. The FDA has listed all colloidal silver products as unclassified drugs. The FDA has no information on the safety or effectiveness of colloidal silver to treat any condition. To view the archives and membership area, goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/To contact the moderator privately send an email to: silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: silverdatawebsite-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
Well, I did my own accidental yogurt making tests here at home, and my results were the exact opposite. I cannot make yogurt with half and half that has CS added. And the amount of CS added was approx a tablespoon or two of 10 to 15 ppm CS to about a pint of half and half. While not controlled by any means, I have to say I trust my own accidental home test over the lab results posted, since the yogurt making bacteria are one of the ones reported to NOT be affected by CS. If those lab tests are indeed accurate and repeatable, half and half treated with CS should have yogged, and it didn't. Same starter used in un-CS treated ahlf and half did yog. My opinion remains CS does not distinguish between probiotic bacteria, L acidophilus, or any other bacteria. paula -Forwarded Message- From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700 Greetings, everyone: Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the selective inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis Bio Pharma out of India in March. ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium longum, and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus. ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the above. Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus. Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, and Bifidobacterium longum. These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be confirmed by other parties capable of doing so. Best Regards, Jason -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did the test purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics. Is there any information on how the test was run? I suspect that they used agar for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago confirm, CS will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that. Correct tests can ONLY be done in a thin broth. All our tests show 100% kill of all organisms in broth, and 0% kill of all organisms in gelled agar. Marshall James Holmes wrote: My initial un-thought-out response was; India...what are they trying to sell... Putting that aside, I think there was some flaw. No other tests have found this to be true. The only reference I can come up with is the comments of Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon. He said, We have not found a bacteria that it does not kill. It is an assumption on my part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Here ya go Marshall... -Forwarded Message- From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700 Greetings, everyone: Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the selective inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis Bio Pharma out of India in March. ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium longum, and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus. ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the above. Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus. Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, and Bifidobacterium longum. These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be confirmed by other parties capable of doing so. Best Regards, Jason --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/07/2004 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/OnSolB/TM -~- --- Our website address: http://www.silvermedicine.org Posting Rules: * No political posts, even health related, are permitted that are not directly related to another list members personal request or health condition. * No off-topic posting is permitted * All posts should contain language that is respectful toward other people. * Other health related information may be shared, provided that the information directly deals with another list member's health and well being. * No products or promotional material may be submitted as a part of messages. * Tag lines, within reason, are permitted at the end of email messages. * Violation of the above policy may result in immediate removal from the silvermedicine.org list without warning. No medical advice of any kind is given through this forum, and therefore no information shared is to be construed as such. Messages and materials shared are offered as personal experience, research, and discussion information for research purposes. As always, a licensed health-care professional should be consulted in all matters of illness and health. The FDA has listed all colloidal silver products as unclassified drugs. The FDA has no information on the safety or effectiveness of colloidal silver to treat any condition. To view the archives and membership area, goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/To contact the moderator privately send an email to: silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: silverdatawebsite-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http
Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
Hi Marshal: Thanks for that. Upon referencing the orginal report: GYEA and TA were used - ( GYEA is a glucose/yeast agar ) - Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did the test purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics. Is there any information on how the test was run? I suspect that they used agar for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago confirm, CS will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that. Correct tests can ONLY be done in a thin broth. All our tests show 100% kill of all organisms in broth, and 0% kill of all organisms in gelled agar. Marshall James Holmes wrote: My initial un-thought-out response was; India...what are they trying to sell... Putting that aside, I think there was some flaw. No other tests have found this to be true. The only reference I can come up with is the comments of Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon. He said, We have not found a bacteria that it does not kill. It is an assumption on my part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Here ya go Marshall... -Forwarded Message- From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700 Greetings, everyone: Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the selective inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis Bio Pharma out of India in March. ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium longum, and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus. ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the above. Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus. Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, and Bifidobacterium longum. These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be confirmed by other parties capable of doing so. Best Regards, Jason --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/07/2004 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/OnSolB/TM -~- --- Our website address: http://www.silvermedicine.org Posting Rules: * No political posts, even health related, are permitted that are not directly related to another list members personal request or health condition. * No off-topic posting is permitted * All posts should contain language that is respectful toward other people. * Other health related information may be shared, provided that the information directly deals with another list member's health and well being. * No products or promotional material may be submitted as a part of messages. * Tag lines, within reason, are permitted at the end of email messages. * Violation of the above policy may result in immediate removal from the silvermedicine.org list without warning. No medical advice of any kind is given through this forum, and therefore no information shared is to be construed as such. Messages and materials shared are offered as personal experience, research, and discussion information for research purposes. As always, a licensed health-care professional should be consulted in all matters of illness and health. The FDA has listed all colloidal silver products as unclassified drugs. The FDA has no information on the safety or effectiveness of colloidal silver to treat any condition. To view the archives and membership area, goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/To contact the moderator privately send an email to: silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go
Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
Then the test was a waste of time and money. It is very well known by anyone who
has researched it at all, that CS is virtually totally ineffective in agar. It
has nothing to do with probiotics vs. non-probiotics. The only reason I can see
they would have done that test is to try and intentionally deceive those who may
not know this.
Marshall
Jason Eaton wrote:
Hi Marshal:
Thanks for that. Upon referencing the orginal report:
GYEA and TA were used - ( GYEA is a glucose/yeast agar )
- Jason
- Original Message -
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against
Probiotics...]
I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did the
test
purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics.
Is there any information on how the test was run? I suspect that they
used agar
for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago
confirm, CS
will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that.
Correct
tests can ONLY be done in a thin broth. All our tests show 100% kill of
all
organisms in broth, and 0% kill of all organisms in gelled agar.
Marshall
James Holmes wrote:
My initial un-thought-out response was;
India...what are they trying to sell...
Putting that aside, I think there was some flaw. No other tests have
found
this to be true. The only reference I can come up with is the comments
of
Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon. He said, We
have
not found a bacteria that it does not kill. It is an assumption on my
part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests.
JOH
-Original Message-
From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:43 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against
Probiotics...]
Here ya go Marshall...
-Forwarded Message-
From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com
To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700
Greetings, everyone:
Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the
selective
inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis
Bio
Pharma out of India in March.
ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium
longum,
and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus.
ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the
above.
Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus,
Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus.
Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium
bifidum,
and Bifidobacterium longum.
These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be
confirmed by other parties capable of doing so.
Best Regards,
Jason
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Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
Hi Marshal: Not necessarily. Natural-Immunogenics also uses Agar as the medium which they run all of their anti-microbial tests. Sovereign Silver and Argentyn 23 doesn't have one bit of a problem with the medium; the same can be said for Trem's Silvergen silver, 'ole Bob's as well. Hard to say ASAP has always tested out as a mediocre silver product in the direct time-kill study comparisons I'm aware of. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Then the test was a waste of time and money. It is very well known by anyone who has researched it at all, that CS is virtually totally ineffective in agar. It has nothing to do with probiotics vs. non-probiotics. The only reason I can see they would have done that test is to try and intentionally deceive those who may not know this. Marshall Jason Eaton wrote: Hi Marshal: Thanks for that. Upon referencing the orginal report: GYEA and TA were used - ( GYEA is a glucose/yeast agar ) - Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did the test purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics. Is there any information on how the test was run? I suspect that they used agar for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago confirm, CS will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that. Correct tests can ONLY be done in a thin broth. All our tests show 100% kill of all organisms in broth, and 0% kill of all organisms in gelled agar. Marshall James Holmes wrote: My initial un-thought-out response was; India...what are they trying to sell... Putting that aside, I think there was some flaw. No other tests have found this to be true. The only reference I can come up with is the comments of Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon. He said, We have not found a bacteria that it does not kill. It is an assumption on my part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Here ya go Marshall... -Forwarded Message- From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700 Greetings, everyone: Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the selective inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis Bio Pharma out of India in March. ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium longum, and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus. ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the above. Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus. Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, and Bifidobacterium longum. These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be confirmed by other parties capable of doing so. Best Regards, Jason --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/07/2004 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/OnSolB/TM -~- --- Our website address: http://www.silvermedicine.org Posting Rules: * No political posts, even health related, are permitted that are not directly related to another list members personal request or health condition. * No off-topic posting is permitted * All posts should contain language
Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
Agar will work if it is kept in a liquid state, or if the test is on the surface. But if it is like gelled jello, and the test is for inside of the agar, our tests always showed CS was ineffective, just like in the intestines. Marshall Jason Eaton wrote: Hi Marshal: Not necessarily. Natural-Immunogenics also uses Agar as the medium which they run all of their anti-microbial tests. Sovereign Silver and Argentyn 23 doesn't have one bit of a problem with the medium; the same can be said for Trem's Silvergen silver, 'ole Bob's as well. Hard to say ASAP has always tested out as a mediocre silver product in the direct time-kill study comparisons I'm aware of. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Then the test was a waste of time and money. It is very well known by anyone who has researched it at all, that CS is virtually totally ineffective in agar. It has nothing to do with probiotics vs. non-probiotics. The only reason I can see they would have done that test is to try and intentionally deceive those who may not know this. Marshall Jason Eaton wrote: Hi Marshal: Thanks for that. Upon referencing the orginal report: GYEA and TA were used - ( GYEA is a glucose/yeast agar ) - Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did the test purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics. Is there any information on how the test was run? I suspect that they used agar for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago confirm, CS will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that. Correct tests can ONLY be done in a thin broth. All our tests show 100% kill of all organisms in broth, and 0% kill of all organisms in gelled agar. Marshall James Holmes wrote: My initial un-thought-out response was; India...what are they trying to sell... Putting that aside, I think there was some flaw. No other tests have found this to be true. The only reference I can come up with is the comments of Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon. He said, We have not found a bacteria that it does not kill. It is an assumption on my part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Here ya go Marshall... -Forwarded Message- From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700 Greetings, everyone: Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the selective inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis Bio Pharma out of India in March. ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium longum, and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus. ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the above. Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus. Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, and Bifidobacterium longum. These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be confirmed by other parties capable of doing so. Best Regards, Jason --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/07/2004 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/OnSolB/TM
CSRE: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
Yes, Marshall, there is a high probability of that. I tend to assume that every lab knows that by now. You have very probably hit the nail on the head. JOH -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:57 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did the test purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics. Is there any information on how the test was run? I suspect that they used agar for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago confirm, CS will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRE: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
Well done! Garage science wins again. JOH -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:21 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Well, I did my own accidental yogurt making tests here at home, and my results were the exact opposite. I cannot make yogurt with half and half that has CS added. And the amount of CS added was approx a tablespoon or two of 10 to 15 ppm CS to about a pint of half and half. While not controlled by any means, I have to say I trust my own accidental home test over the lab results posted, since the yogurt making bacteria are one of the ones reported to NOT be affected by CS. If those lab tests are indeed accurate and repeatable, half and half treated with CS should have yogged, and it didn't. Same starter used in un-CS treated ahlf and half did yog. My opinion remains CS does not distinguish between probiotic bacteria, L acidophilus, or any other bacteria. paula -Forwarded Message- From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700 Greetings, everyone: Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the selective inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis Bio Pharma out of India in March. ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium longum, and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus. ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the above. Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus. Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, and Bifidobacterium longum. These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be confirmed by other parties capable of doing so. Best Regards, Jason -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
