RE: CSAdditives to CS production...
Orchids to YOU, Jason, for having the Character and Fortitude to stand on our 1st Amendment Rights and challenge the bureaucratic monstrosity for which I (together with millions of other men and women) put out lives on the line much like the original Signers of Our Marvelous Constitution to defend the rights of everyone, including these who have the ability to abuse us). As a longtime friend who is and whose e-mail name is KYCOL sez: U Dun Gud! translated: You did Very Well! Thank you Jason, for this and all the excellent CS and Clay information you share with thos of us seeking to learn so we can share with the needy around us and around the globe! Sincerely in admiration, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 6:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... Hi Nenah: I... used to obtain my solution from Alpha Omega Labs. It's their Hrx Solution, which I and others have used extensively over the last year or so with excellent results. To adjust the PH level of a silver solution to 7.0 only requires an extremely minute amount ( we only want to adjust the hydrogen, not add carbonate or salt into the mix, and Potassium Hydroxide is the single substance I've found that is equal to the task with CS ). For my high PH water ( ~ 10.0 - 10.5 ), I utilize distilled water, a very small amount of bentonite, and add a touch of CS. This helped greatly with my own recovery from internal acidic conditions that resulted in some minor -- if not painful -- cancer inconveniences. Sadly, the owners of Alpha Omega Labs are currently in jail, and the products I was getting ready to order have been seized by the FDA: http://www.altcancer.com And all shipments of orders suspended. While their website has been taken down, I have put it back up ( after arguing a bit with the company that sells me my bulk server space ): http://altcancer.silvermedicine.org All of the extensive data is present, minus the videos, which I have on CD and hard-drive. Sadly, every once and awhile the server failed to deliver an image, so every once and awhile one might see a broken image on their site. I'm hoping that this can be rectified when their web designer is released from federal custody. I'm certain that both the Hrx and the H3O ( hydronium ) formulations will be released for sale in the United States, once the Feds actually CHARGE Alpha Omega Labs. I found a local source for a solution, but it is inferior to the sol I'm used to getting; it's not as concentrated and thus much more expensive, plus I'm not exactly certain about their quality controls. There are quite a few companies that resell their products, and may still have some stock. Hopefully, there will be more news next week. I figure the US Federal Government cannot hold them forever without filing charges - at least without a national security seal slapped on their operations. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... Nenah: I don't know about baking soda, as I've never used it. I only utilize Potassium Hydroxide in CS enough to balance the PH level; only a very small amount is needed to adjust the PH to 7.0, and according to the information I have, TEM analysis has demonstrated no adverse effects to the solution. Best Regards, Jason Wow Jason, this sounds great. Since you already have a good recipe that does not adversely affect the solution, I'd like to use yours rather than labor with baking soda. Where do you obtain Potassium Hydroxide? And how exactly do you use it? Many thanks. Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 09/03/2003
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Richard, The 5cc of H202 you add per qt. is what concentration? Thanks, Terry - Original Message - From: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:15 PM Subject: RE: CSAdditives to CS production... Thanks Mike, This is exactly like I learned how to make CS and I've had no real problems, because I was told at the beginning to only use Steam distilled water. Some suggested adding a pinch of seasalt, or sodium chloride, or baking soda to speed the making. I resolved to add nothing, except a couple ounces of the previous batch, until the process was complete. In recent months, thanks to Jason's observation that adding a little H2O2 to the CS would increase it's effectiveness many fold; so I began adding 5 cc H2O2 per qt, which gave it a taste (not unpleasant). Friends that have used my CS report many wonderful resullts--I remind them that God is the Healer and uses many things and people to do His Healing and that He blesses CS use tremendously! Many of us are greatly indebted to You, Jason, Trem, Ole Bob, Herx, Marshall, Ode and many others who share their research and knowlege with those of us who are still seeking and searching for your valuable information so we can be more valuable to our families, friends and neighbors! Thanks to each of you. Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Terry, The easy to get H2O2, drugstore antiseptic kind, 3%. Sorry I didn't make it clear at first. Best regards, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: tdg39 [mailto:td...@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:16 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... Richard, The 5cc of H202 you add per qt. is what concentration? Thanks, Terry - Original Message - From: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:15 PM Subject: RE: CSAdditives to CS production... Thanks Mike, This is exactly like I learned how to make CS and I've had no real problems, because I was told at the beginning to only use Steam distilled water. Some suggested adding a pinch of seasalt, or sodium chloride, or baking soda to speed the making. I resolved to add nothing, except a couple ounces of the previous batch, until the process was complete. In recent months, thanks to Jason's observation that adding a little H2O2 to the CS would increase it's effectiveness many fold; so I began adding 5 cc H2O2 per qt, which gave it a taste (not unpleasant). Friends that have used my CS report many wonderful resullts--I remind them that God is the Healer and uses many things and people to do His Healing and that He blesses CS use tremendously! Many of us are greatly indebted to You, Jason, Trem, Ole Bob, Herx, Marshall, Ode and many others who share their research and knowlege with those of us who are still seeking and searching for your valuable information so we can be more valuable to our families, friends and neighbors! Thanks to each of you. Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdditives to CS production...
-Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 3:31 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAdditives to CS production... To Nenah and others discussing this: ...Back in the early days we were taught to use a pinch of salt (NaCl) or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a starter to get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested alternative. The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly, producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your electrodes never had a chance to collect any fluff. The recipes you found online commonly stated that you would get about 1ppm per minute. It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes. A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal Silver in the modern era. Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water when they began examining the particle size issue. There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course, now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.) There was also concern that the use of a starter produced other compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and concentration of the likely by-products. (Except in Stan's case, of course! sigh) Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting, other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on. All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts. Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH without compromising the silver component? One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh? For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water Mike D. - Original Message - From: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:15 PM Subject: RE: CSAdditives to CS production... Thanks Mike, This is exactly like I learned how to make CS and I've had no real problems, because I was told at the beginning to only use Steam distilled water. Some suggested adding a pinch of seasalt, or sodium chloride, or baking soda to speed the making. I resolved to add nothing, except a couple ounces of the previous batch, until the process was complete. In recent months, thanks to Jason's observation that adding a little H2O2 to the CS would increase it's effectiveness many fold; so I began adding 5 cc H2O2 per qt, which gave it a taste (not unpleasant) Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist Mike and Richard, Thank you for your input. If I were not concerned about pH, I would simply continue to make the CS the way I always made it. Now, I will experiment with adding much smaller quantities of baking soda to the distilled water to see if I can achieve a balance between a desirable pH and CS with a still-small particle size. Just for your information, a friend of mine experimented years ago adding minute quantities of salt, and then baking soda, to the water when he was making CS. (The sale and soda were in different batches ;) He found that salt inhibited the anti-microbial function of his CS, but the soda did not. Best, Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdditives to CS production...
- Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 7:34 PM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... Hi Mike! Well said... Potassium Hydroxide can be used to raise the PH of a CS without due harm. Hydronium can be used to adjust to the acidic side ( ie for skin care products, where a more acidic ph may be desired ). Of course, I would never use either substance before or during production, only after! Best Regards, Jason Yet Jason, from what Mike said, adding baking soda to the CS even after production can cause the silver to form compounds. What proportion of the final solution would be compromised? I don't want to ruin it. Thanks. Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Nenah, Please do report your results of experimenting with baking soda...I am experimenting on those lines also. paula - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:04 AM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 3:31 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAdditives to CS production... To Nenah and others discussing this: ...Back in the early days we were taught to use a pinch of salt (NaCl) or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a starter to get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested alternative. The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly, producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your electrodes never had a chance to collect any fluff. The recipes you found online commonly stated that you would get about 1ppm per minute. It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes. A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal Silver in the modern era. Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water when they began examining the particle size issue. There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course, now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.) There was also concern that the use of a starter produced other compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and concentration of the likely by-products. (Except in Stan's case, of course! sigh) Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting, other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on. All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts. Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH without compromising the silver component? One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh? For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water Mike D. - Original Message - From: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:15 PM Subject: RE: CSAdditives to CS production... Thanks Mike, This is exactly like I learned how to make CS and I've had no real problems, because I was told at the beginning to only use Steam distilled water. Some suggested adding a pinch of seasalt, or sodium chloride, or baking soda to speed the making. I resolved to add nothing, except a couple ounces of the previous batch, until the process was complete. In recent months, thanks to Jason's observation that adding a little H2O2 to the CS would increase it's effectiveness many fold; so I began adding 5 cc H2O2 per qt, which gave it a taste (not unpleasant) Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist Mike and Richard, Thank you for your input. If I were not concerned about pH, I would simply continue to make the CS the way I always made it. Now, I will experiment with adding much smaller quantities of baking soda to the distilled water to see if I can achieve a balance between a desirable pH and CS with a still-small particle size. Just for your information, a friend of mine experimented years ago adding minute quantities of salt, and then baking soda, to the water when he was making CS. (The sale and soda were in different batches ;) He found that salt inhibited the anti-microbial function of his CS, but the soda did not. Best, Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions
Re: CSAdditives to CS production...
Nenah: I don't know about baking soda, as I've never used it. I only utilize Potassium Hydroxide in CS enough to balance the PH level; only a very small amount is needed to adjust the PH to 7.0, and according to the information I have, TEM analysis has demonstrated no adverse effects to the solution. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 4:07 AM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 7:34 PM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... Hi Mike! Well said... Potassium Hydroxide can be used to raise the PH of a CS without due harm. Hydronium can be used to adjust to the acidic side ( ie for skin care products, where a more acidic ph may be desired ). Of course, I would never use either substance before or during production, only after! Best Regards, Jason Yet Jason, from what Mike said, adding baking soda to the CS even after production can cause the silver to form compounds. What proportion of the final solution would be compromised? I don't want to ruin it. Thanks. Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 09/03/2003
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- Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... Nenah: I don't know about baking soda, as I've never used it. I only utilize Potassium Hydroxide in CS enough to balance the PH level; only a very small amount is needed to adjust the PH to 7.0, and according to the information I have, TEM analysis has demonstrated no adverse effects to the solution. Best Regards, Jason Wow Jason, this sounds great. Since you already have a good recipe that does not adversely affect the solution, I'd like to use yours rather than labor with baking soda. Where do you obtain Potassium Hydroxide? And how exactly do you use it? Many thanks. Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdditives to CS production...
Re: CSAdditives to CS production... From: Jason Eaton Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:59:38 Hi Jason, This is another question on cs production. I'd like to follow up on a question about something you posted a while ago. In your post at http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60525.html you said: You'll see that long before you began experimenting with extremely low current, we had already experimented in this area, also making improvements with standing wave technology to boot. Can you tell me more about standing wave technology? What does the term mean? Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Nenah: I... used to obtain my solution from Alpha Omega Labs. It's their Hrx Solution, which I and others have used extensively over the last year or so with excellent results. To adjust the PH level of a silver solution to 7.0 only requires an extremely minute amount ( we only want to adjust the hydrogen, not add carbonate or salt into the mix, and Potassium Hydroxide is the single substance I've found that is equal to the task with CS ). For my high PH water ( ~ 10.0 - 10.5 ), I utilize distilled water, a very small amount of bentonite, and add a touch of CS. This helped greatly with my own recovery from internal acidic conditions that resulted in some minor -- if not painful -- cancer inconveniences. Sadly, the owners of Alpha Omega Labs are currently in jail, and the products I was getting ready to order have been seized by the FDA: http://www.altcancer.com And all shipments of orders suspended. While their website has been taken down, I have put it back up ( after arguing a bit with the company that sells me my bulk server space ): http://altcancer.silvermedicine.org All of the extensive data is present, minus the videos, which I have on CD and hard-drive. Sadly, every once and awhile the server failed to deliver an image, so every once and awhile one might see a broken image on their site. I'm hoping that this can be rectified when their web designer is released from federal custody. I'm certain that both the Hrx and the H3O ( hydronium ) formulations will be released for sale in the United States, once the Feds actually CHARGE Alpha Omega Labs. I found a local source for a solution, but it is inferior to the sol I'm used to getting; it's not as concentrated and thus much more expensive, plus I'm not exactly certain about their quality controls. There are quite a few companies that resell their products, and may still have some stock. Hopefully, there will be more news next week. I figure the US Federal Government cannot hold them forever without filing charges - at least without a national security seal slapped on their operations. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... Nenah: I don't know about baking soda, as I've never used it. I only utilize Potassium Hydroxide in CS enough to balance the PH level; only a very small amount is needed to adjust the PH to 7.0, and according to the information I have, TEM analysis has demonstrated no adverse effects to the solution. Best Regards, Jason Wow Jason, this sounds great. Since you already have a good recipe that does not adversely affect the solution, I'd like to use yours rather than labor with baking soda. Where do you obtain Potassium Hydroxide? And how exactly do you use it? Many thanks. Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 09/03/2003
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Hi Nenah, I would try the Alfa Aesar Chemical company. 1-800-343-0660. For the Potasssium Hydroxide. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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- Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... Hi Nenah: To adjust the PH level of a silver solution to 7.0 only requires an extremely minute amount ( we only want to adjust the hydrogen, not add carbonate or salt into the mix, and Potassium Hydroxide is the single substance I've found that is equal to the task with CS ). For my high PH water ( ~ 10.0 - 10.5 ), I utilize distilled water, a very small amount of bentonite, and add a touch of CS. Jason: 1) How much Potassium Hydroxide do you use per gallon of distilled water to balance the PH level? One-quarter of a teaspoon? One-eighth? A smaller amount, as in a pinch? 2) Do you add it BEFORE or AFTER you make the CS? Thanks Bob for suggesting a place to purchase it. Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 18:55:23 -0500, Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net wrote: Hi Nenah, I would try the Alfa Aesar Chemical company. 1-800-343-0660. For the Potasssium Hydroxide. Ole Bob They have a web site: http://www.alfa.com/alf/index.htm Chuck Quantum physics predicts the past with 80% accuracy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAdditives to CS production...
To Nenah and others discussing this: It kinda surprises me that it has come up. Back in the early days we were taught to use a pinch of salt (NaCl) or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a starter to get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested alternative. The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly, producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your electrodes never had a chance to collect any fluff. The recipes you found online commonly stated that you would get about 1ppm per minute. It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes. A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal Silver in the modern era. Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water when they began examining the particle size issue. There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course, now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.) There was also concern that the use of a starter produced other compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and concentration of the likely by-products. (Except in Stan's case, of course! sigh) Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting, other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on. All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts. Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH without compromising the silver component? One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh? For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water. That's your bed-time story for today. G'night boys and girls! grin Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdditives to CS production...
Hi Mike! Well said... Potassium Hydroxide can be used to raise the PH of a CS without due harm. Hydronium can be used to adjust to the acidic side ( ie for skin care products, where a more acidic ph may be desired ). Of course, I would never use either substance before or during production, only after! Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 5:25 PM Subject: CSAdditives to CS production... To Nenah and others discussing this: It kinda surprises me that it has come up. Back in the early days we were taught to use a pinch of salt (NaCl) or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a starter to get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested alternative. The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly, producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your electrodes never had a chance to collect any fluff. The recipes you found online commonly stated that you would get about 1ppm per minute. It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes. A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal Silver in the modern era. Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water when they began examining the particle size issue. There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course, now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.) There was also concern that the use of a starter produced other compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and concentration of the likely by-products. (Except in Stan's case, of course! sigh) Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting, other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on. All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts. Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH without compromising the silver component? One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh? For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water. That's your bed-time story for today. G'night boys and girls! grin Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 09/02/2003
RE: CSAdditives to CS production...
Thanks Mike, This is exactly like I learned how to make CS and I've had no real problems, because I was told at the beginning to only use Steam distilled water. Some suggested adding a pinch of seasalt, or sodium chloride, or baking soda to speed the making. I resolved to add nothing, except a couple ounces of the previous batch, until the process was complete. In recent months, thanks to Jason's observation that adding a little H2O2 to the CS would increase it's effectiveness many fold; so I began adding 5 cc H2O2 per qt, which gave it a taste (not unpleasant). Friends that have used my CS report many wonderful resullts--I remind them that God is the Healer and uses many things and people to do His Healing and that He blesses CS use tremendously! Many of us are greatly indebted to You, Jason, Trem, Ole Bob, Herx, Marshall, Ode and many others who share their research and knowlege with those of us who are still seeking and searching for your valuable information so we can be more valuable to our families, friends and neighbors! Thanks to each of you. Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 3:31 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAdditives to CS production... To Nenah and others discussing this: It kinda surprises me that it has come up. Back in the early days we were taught to use a pinch of salt (NaCl) or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a starter to get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested alternative. The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly, producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your electrodes never had a chance to collect any fluff. The recipes you found online commonly stated that you would get about 1ppm per minute. It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes. A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal Silver in the modern era. Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water when they began examining the particle size issue. There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course, now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.) There was also concern that the use of a starter produced other compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and concentration of the likely by-products. (Except in Stan's case, of course! sigh) Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting, other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on. All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts. Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH without compromising the silver component? One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh? For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water. That's your bed-time story for today. G'night boys and girls! grin Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAdditives to CS production...
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63026.html RE: CSAdditives to CS production... From: Richard Harris Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:21:57 Thanks for the nice bedtime story, Mike. Like Richard, I add a bit of H2O2. I push my cs generator to make a slight tint, then add 1/2 teaspoon of H2O2 per litre. This converts the silver oxides back into ions and makes a strong, mild cs. The amount of H2O2 needed is only about 0.2 ppm, and it keeps the cs clear indefinitely. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdditives to CS production...
Well done. - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 2:30 PM Subject: CSAdditives to CS production... To Nenah and others discussing this: It kinda surprises me that it has come up. Back in the early days we were taught to use a pinch of salt (NaCl) or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a starter to get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested alternative. The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly, producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your electrodes never had a chance to collect any fluff. The recipes you found online commonly stated that you would get about 1ppm per minute. It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes. A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal Silver in the modern era. Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water when they began examining the particle size issue. There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course, now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.) There was also concern that the use of a starter produced other compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and concentration of the likely by-products. (Except in Stan's case, of course! sigh) Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting, other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on. All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts. Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH without compromising the silver component? One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh? For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water. That's your bed-time story for today. G'night boys and girls! grin Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
