CSMolecula Silver .. comments please
The link you sent said not found. This is what I found at Sloan-Kettering ( http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69189.cfm ) , not exactly what I wanted to hear. Pat Common Name Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Water top Clinical Summary Colloidal silver consists of silver particles suspended in a liquid. It is often produced by home-made generators. The use of silver medicinals to treat disorders such as epilepsy, gonorrhea, and colds was not uncommon until the mid-20th century. However, silver was replaced by safer therapies in the recent decades. While silver compounds are still used in external preparations as antiseptics, there has been a growing interest in using the collodial form of silver orally as an alternative medicine. Although no human clinical data support the use of oral colloidal silver, it is being promoted as a cure for AIDS, cancer, and diabetes. Silver is not an essential mineral and does not serve any physiological function in the body. It actually denatures proteins by binding to their reactive groups. It can inactivate some enzymes by forming hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups of the enzymes (1). Silver when taken orally can interact with and reduce the effectiveness of tetracycline, quinolone, and penicillamine. Long term use can cause silver deposition in the skin and mucous membranes leading to an irreversible condition called argyria, characterized by bluish-gray to gray-black pigmentation (2) (3). Other adverse effects include seizures (6) and kidney damage. Pregnant women should not consume colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Purported uses * AIDS * Cancer treatment * Diabetes * Immunostimulation * Infections top Constituents * Silver particles suspended in liquid. top Mechanism of Action Silver is unstable in suspension form and can bind to proteins. Silver compounds form hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups that leads to inactivation of enzymes. Silver also has the ability to bind amino, carboxyl, phosphate and imidazole groups (1). Studies have shown that silver accumulates in rat liver and binds with various tissues and basal membranes. It also affects the activities of lactate dehydrogenase and glutathione peroxidase and the peroxidation of membrane lipids (4). top Pharmacokinetics Approximately 10% of silver salts may be absorbed following ingestion, with increased absorption from ruptured mucus membranes and skin wounds. The half-life varies from several days to months but silver deposited in the skin has a much longer half-life. It is excreted into the bile and eliminated in the feces (1). top Warnings The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) declared that all over-the-counter drugs containing colloidal silver are not recognized as safe and effective and are misbranded (7). The FDA has also recently issued letters to website operators of colloidal silver warning them that it is illegal to promote such products online (8). top Contraindications Pregnant women should not use colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Adverse Reactions Reported (Oral): Accumulation of silver in the body causes argyria, a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, which is untreatable. Other effects include seizures and kidney damage. Reported (Topical): Topical use of silver nitrate for burns may cause methemoglobinemia. Exposure to high concentrations of silver, such as in an industrial setting, leads to systemic toxicity (1) (5). top Herb-Drug Interactions * Antibiotics: Colloidal silver can reduce the bioavailability of antibiotics such as tetracycline and quinolone. * Penicillamine: Colloidal silver can reduce the effectiveness of drugs such as penicillamine by binding to the drug. top Literature Summary and Critique No human studies have been conducted to test the medicinal effects of colloidal silver. There are a few case reports on its toxicity. McKenna JK, et al Argyria associated with colloidal silver supplementation. Int J Dermatol 2003; 42(7):549. A 65-year old male developed skin discoloration but had no other symptoms. He had consumed colloidal silver supplements for two years for treatment of diabetes. The discoloration was limited to fingernails but could not be treated by depigmenting creams or chelation. The patient was advised to use sunscreens to prevent further pigmentary changes. Gulbranson SH, Hud JA, Hansen RC. Argyria
Re: CSMolecula Silver .. comments please
Please note that they are talking about Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Proteins, which relate to the original post concerning the lastest form of snake oil, not what we make here. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:13 PM Subject: CSMolecula Silver .. comments please The link you sent said not found. This is what I found at Sloan-Kettering ( http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69189.cfm ) , not exactly what I wanted to hear. Pat Common Name Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Water top Clinical Summary Colloidal silver consists of silver particles suspended in a liquid. It is often produced by home-made generators. The use of silver medicinals to treat disorders such as epilepsy, gonorrhea, and colds was not uncommon until the mid-20th century. However, silver was replaced by safer therapies in the recent decades. While silver compounds are still used in external preparations as antiseptics, there has been a growing interest in using the collodial form of silver orally as an alternative medicine. Although no human clinical data support the use of oral colloidal silver, it is being promoted as a cure for AIDS, cancer, and diabetes. Silver is not an essential mineral and does not serve any physiological function in the body. It actually denatures proteins by binding to their reactive groups. It can inactivate some enzymes by forming hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups of the enzymes (1). Silver when taken orally can interact with and reduce the effectiveness of tetracycline, quinolone, and penicillamine. Long term use can cause silver deposition in the skin and mucous membranes leading to an irreversible condition called argyria, characterized by bluish-gray to gray-black pigmentation (2) (3). Other adverse effects include seizures (6) and kidney damage. Pregnant women should not consume colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Purported uses * AIDS * Cancer treatment * Diabetes * Immunostimulation * Infections top Constituents * Silver particles suspended in liquid. top Mechanism of Action Silver is unstable in suspension form and can bind to proteins. Silver compounds form hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups that leads to inactivation of enzymes. Silver also has the ability to bind amino, carboxyl, phosphate and imidazole groups (1). Studies have shown that silver accumulates in rat liver and binds with various tissues and basal membranes. It also affects the activities of lactate dehydrogenase and glutathione peroxidase and the peroxidation of membrane lipids (4). top Pharmacokinetics Approximately 10% of silver salts may be absorbed following ingestion, with increased absorption from ruptured mucus membranes and skin wounds. The half-life varies from several days to months but silver deposited in the skin has a much longer half-life. It is excreted into the bile and eliminated in the feces (1). top Warnings The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) declared that all over-the-counter drugs containing colloidal silver are not recognized as safe and effective and are misbranded (7). The FDA has also recently issued letters to website operators of colloidal silver warning them that it is illegal to promote such products online (8). top Contraindications Pregnant women should not use colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Adverse Reactions Reported (Oral): Accumulation of silver in the body causes argyria, a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, which is untreatable. Other effects include seizures and kidney damage. Reported (Topical): Topical use of silver nitrate for burns may cause methemoglobinemia. Exposure to high concentrations of silver, such as in an industrial setting, leads to systemic toxicity (1) (5). top Herb-Drug Interactions * Antibiotics: Colloidal silver can reduce the bioavailability of antibiotics such as tetracycline and quinolone. * Penicillamine: Colloidal silver can reduce the effectiveness of drugs such as penicillamine by binding to the drug. top Literature Summary and Critique No human studies have been conducted to test the medicinal effects of colloidal silver. There are a few case reports on its toxicity. McKenna JK, et al Argyria associated with colloidal silver supplementation. Int J Dermatol 2003; 42(7):549. A 65-year old male developed skin discoloration but had no other symptoms. He had consumed colloidal silver supplements for two years for treatment
Re: CSMolecula Silver .. comments please
And what would anyone expect from a mainline medical establishment? The key to this statement is: Although no human clinical data support the use of oral colloidal silver, it is being promoted as a cure for AIDS, cancer, and diabetes. Of course there is no clinical data, what Big Pharma company would spend the money to do clinical studies when they could not patent the product and make money off of it? This says nothing about the effectiveness of CS. No one on this list wants to spend the money to collect clinical data, so there is no data. The FDA is a branch of Big Pharma, so they are not going to say anything good about CS. And the examples tell nothing about what the CS product was that they site. The information from this list is much more valuable. Gene At 06:13 PM 5/18/2008, you wrote: The link you sent said not found. This is what I found at Sloan-Kettering ( http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69189.cfm ) , not exactly what I wanted to hear. Pat Common Name Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Water top Clinical Summary Colloidal silver consists of silver particles suspended in a liquid. It is often produced by home-made generators. The use of silver medicinals to treat disorders such as epilepsy, gonorrhea, and colds was not uncommon until the mid-20th century. However, silver was replaced by safer therapies in the recent decades. While silver compounds are still used in external preparations as antiseptics, there has been a growing interest in using the collodial form of silver orally as an alternative medicine. Although no human clinical data support the use of oral colloidal silver, it is being promoted as a cure for AIDS, cancer, and diabetes. Silver is not an essential mineral and does not serve any physiological function in the body. It actually denatures proteins by binding to their reactive groups. It can inactivate some enzymes by forming hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups of the enzymes (1). Silver when taken orally can interact with and reduce the effectiveness of tetracycline, quinolone, and penicillamine. Long term use can cause silver deposition in the skin and mucous membranes leading to an irreversible condition called argyria, characterized by bluish-gray to gray-black pigmentation (2) (3). Other adverse effects include seizures (6) and kidney damage. Pregnant women should not consume colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Purported uses * AIDS * Cancer treatment * Diabetes * Immunostimulation * Infections top Constituents * Silver particles suspended in liquid. top Mechanism of Action Silver is unstable in suspension form and can bind to proteins. Silver compounds form hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups that leads to inactivation of enzymes. Silver also has the ability to bind amino, carboxyl, phosphate and imidazole groups (1). Studies have shown that silver accumulates in rat liver and binds with various tissues and basal membranes. It also affects the activities of lactate dehydrogenase and glutathione peroxidase and the peroxidation of membrane lipids (4). top Pharmacokinetics Approximately 10% of silver salts may be absorbed following ingestion, with increased absorption from ruptured mucus membranes and skin wounds. The half-life varies from several days to months but silver deposited in the skin has a much longer half-life. It is excreted into the bile and eliminated in the feces (1). top Warnings The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) declared that all over-the-counter drugs containing colloidal silver are not recognized as safe and effective and are misbranded (7). The FDA has also recently issued letters to website operators of colloidal silver warning them that it is illegal to promote such products online (8). top Contraindications Pregnant women should not use colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Adverse Reactions Reported (Oral): Accumulation of silver in the body causes argyria, a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, which is untreatable. Other effects include seizures and kidney damage. Reported (Topical): Topical use of silver nitrate for burns may cause methemoglobinemia. Exposure to high concentrations of silver, such as in an industrial setting, leads to systemic toxicity (1) (5). top Herb-Drug Interactions * Antibiotics: Colloidal silver can reduce the bioavailability of antibiotics such as tetracycline and quinolone. * Penicillamine: Colloidal silver can reduce the effectiveness of drugs such as penicillamine by binding to the drug.
Re: CSMolecula Silver .. comments please
I guess my reaction is typically me. Does it really matter if the effectiveness is broadly excepted? Silver kill bacteria. Case Closed. Molecular? Isn't everything? It isn't magnetic. That changes everything. i guess I feel no evangelistic tendency towards the usage of anything unless it is threatened by a law that changes access and usage rights. I'd like to see as much research as possible. I am not threatened by spin. Everything goes into the information pot. =z= --- Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: The link you sent said not found. This is what I found at Sloan-Kettering ( http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69189.cfm ) , not exactly what I wanted to hear. Pat Common Name Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Water top Clinical Summary Colloidal silver consists of silver particles suspended in a liquid. It is often produced by home-made generators. The use of silver medicinals to treat disorders such as epilepsy, gonorrhea, and colds was not uncommon until the mid-20th century. However, silver was replaced by safer therapies in the recent decades. While silver compounds are still used in external preparations as antiseptics, there has been a growing interest in using the collodial form of silver orally as an alternative medicine. Although no human clinical data support the use of oral colloidal silver, it is being promoted as a cure for AIDS, cancer, and diabetes. Silver is not an essential mineral and does not serve any physiological function in the body. It actually denatures proteins by binding to their reactive groups. It can inactivate some enzymes by forming hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups of the enzymes (1). Silver when taken orally can interact with and reduce the effectiveness of tetracycline, quinolone, and penicillamine. Long term use can cause silver deposition in the skin and mucous membranes leading to an irreversible condition called argyria, characterized by bluish-gray to gray-black pigmentation (2) (3). Other adverse effects include seizures (6) and kidney damage. Pregnant women should not consume colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Purported uses * AIDS * Cancer treatment * Diabetes * Immunostimulation * Infections top Constituents * Silver particles suspended in liquid. top Mechanism of Action Silver is unstable in suspension form and can bind to proteins. Silver compounds form hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups that leads to inactivation of enzymes. Silver also has the ability to bind amino, carboxyl, phosphate and imidazole groups (1). Studies have shown that silver accumulates in rat liver and binds with various tissues and basal membranes. It also affects the activities of lactate dehydrogenase and glutathione peroxidase and the peroxidation of membrane lipids (4). top Pharmacokinetics Approximately 10% of silver salts may be absorbed following ingestion, with increased absorption from ruptured mucus membranes and skin wounds. The half-life varies from several days to months but silver deposited in the skin has a much longer half-life. It is excreted into the bile and eliminated in the feces (1). top Warnings The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) declared that all over-the-counter drugs containing colloidal silver are not recognized as safe and effective and are misbranded (7). The FDA has also recently issued letters to website operators of colloidal silver warning them that it is illegal to promote such products online (8). top Contraindications Pregnant women should not use colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Adverse Reactions Reported (Oral): Accumulation of silver in the body causes argyria, a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, which is untreatable. Other effects include seizures and kidney damage. Reported (Topical): Topical use of silver nitrate for burns may cause methemoglobinemia. Exposure to high concentrations of silver, such as in an industrial setting, leads to systemic toxicity (1) (5). top Herb-Drug Interactions * Antibiotics: Colloidal silver can reduce the bioavailability of antibiotics such as tetracycline and quinolone. * Penicillamine: Colloidal silver can reduce the effectiveness of drugs such as penicillamine by binding to the drug. top
Re: CSMolecula Silver .. comments please
Gene writes, Of course there is no clinical data, what Big Pharma company would spend the money to do clinical studies when they could not patent the product and make money off of it? This says nothing about the effectiveness of CS. No one on this list wants to spend the money to collect clinical data, so there is no data. There is simply no mechanism to support the expense of a thorough investigation into the effectiveness or lack thereof as a method of dealing with various bacteria, viruses or fungi. It is extremely easy for anyone to make colloidal silver, which is eighty percent Ionic and fifteen to twenty percent particulate. It is also a fact that it does not lend itself to shipment and storage after being made. The particles are held in suspension by Brownian motion and the Ionic portion exists in solution due to a mutually repulsive electrical charge of individual atoms. Vibration or external stimulus including photons tends to cause these particles to agglomerate and fall out of solution. All that being said, it is still a very useful product. We will probably never know precisely why it works as it does as there is simply no money in it. And money, after all, is what makes the world go round. And what would anyone expect from a mainline medical establishment? If you are ever so unfortunate as to have a serious illness that chug-a lugging CS doesn't fix, you might be grateful they exist. The FDA is a branch of Big Pharma If this were true I doubt that our toddlers would now be chewing on lead painted toys from China. The information from this list is much more valuable. We can certainly agree on that. One of the most useful functions of the list is the de-bunking of items such as Molecula Silver, that is supposed to be smaller than a single atom, LOL. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Gene Wolfe To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 5:56 PM Subject: Re: CSMolecula Silver .. comments please And what would anyone expect from a mainline medical establishment? The key to this statement is: Although no human clinical data support the use of oral colloidal silver, it is being promoted as a cure for AIDS, cancer, and diabetes. Of course there is no clinical data, what Big Pharma company would spend the money to do clinical studies when they could not patent the product and make money off of it? This says nothing about the effectiveness of CS. No one on this list wants to spend the money to collect clinical data, so there is no data. The FDA is a branch of Big Pharma, so they are not going to say anything good about CS. And the examples tell nothing about what the CS product was that they site. The information from this list is much more valuable. Gene At 06:13 PM 5/18/2008, you wrote: The link you sent said not found. This is what I found at Sloan-Kettering ( http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69189.cfm ) , not exactly what I wanted to hear. Pat
