Re: CSReversing Argyria
Naila and hair are actually the same thing. Same material, main difference is the form, and the coloring. Marshall Vince Richter wrote: So the nails may act kind of like our hair helping the body in getting rid of the bad stuff? Vince Jason Eaton wrote: It's an interesting topic, and I've been looking into it a bit deeper. We can see that toxic substances in the body often find their way out of the body via the fingernails: http://www.unu.edu/env/Arsenic/Nahid.pdf Best Regards, Jason -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSReversing Argyria
So the nails may act kind of like our hair helping the body in getting rid of the bad stuff? Vince Jason Eaton wrote: It's an interesting topic, and I've been looking into it a bit deeper. We can see that toxic substances in the body often find their way out of the body via the fingernails: http://www.unu.edu/env/Arsenic/Nahid.pdf Best Regards, Jason -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSReversing Argyria
I believe you read that wrong. A 20 year old named damian said it was calcium carbonate, Steve said it was keratin, which is a protein like I said. See http://www-biol.paisley.ac.uk/courses/stfunmac/glossary/collagen.html Marshall Jason Eaton wrote: Hi Marshal: Not... according to Steve Sample, Advanced Placement Biology and Freshman Honors Biology instructor, who also runs, in conjunction with the US Department of Energy and Argonne National Laboratory, the Ask a Scientist Program BBS: http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99671.htm Now, I suppose he could be WRONG, but I didn't think to question the reference. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria Jason Eaton wrote: Greetings, all: Calcium has been shown to crystallize in alkaline conditions in the form of calcium carbonate. Calcium carbonate is the primary substance of fingernail production. I don't think so. Isn't finger nails and hair made of collagen, a protein? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/06/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Marshal: Thanks for the link. Actually, the conversation went like this: Damian asked a question about nail growth, Steve answered first, then Peter answered You can tell by the # of in the email. However, all that aside, I think you are right, but I don't think that the fingernails are exclusively made up of these proteins. As an example, the amount of boron found in fingernails is 4X the amount found in the bloodstream ( normal levels ). Steve is pretty certain about the role of calcium carbonate, however: http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/zoo00/zoo00265.htm It's an interesting topic, and I've been looking into it a bit deeper. We can see that toxic substances in the body often find their way out of the body via the fingernails: http://www.unu.edu/env/Arsenic/Nahid.pdf Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:43 AM Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria I believe you read that wrong. A 20 year old named damian said it was calcium carbonate, Steve said it was keratin, which is a protein like I said. See http://www-biol.paisley.ac.uk/courses/stfunmac/glossary/collagen.html Marshall Jason Eaton wrote: Hi Marshal: Not... according to Steve Sample, Advanced Placement Biology and Freshman Honors Biology instructor, who also runs, in conjunction with the US Department of Energy and Argonne National Laboratory, the Ask a Scientist Program BBS: http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99671.htm Now, I suppose he could be WRONG, but I didn't think to question the reference. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria Jason Eaton wrote: Greetings, all: Calcium has been shown to crystallize in alkaline conditions in the form of calcium carbonate. Calcium carbonate is the primary substance of fingernail production. I don't think so. Isn't finger nails and hair made of collagen, a protein? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/06/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/07/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSReversing Argyria
Good Morning, Sharon. Thank you for your thought-provoking insight. It reminds me of the Arthur Conan Doyle story of the watchdog that did not bark in the night. The most conspicuous lack of melanin in some Africans is in their nails. Maybe Caucasians share this trait with their brothers and sisters in Africa and the Melanesian Pacific Islands and the indigenous First Nations of the New World, but don't even realize it. This suggests the hypothesis that, indeed, the nails are a window to the lower layers of the dermis. And that this is where we should look for the earliest warning of incipient argyria. Best regards, Matthew - Original Message - From: Sharon tala...@teleport.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria Most likely not. I doubt that it would appear as obviously on someone dark skinned. Maybe you would see it in the nails though. Sharon There is something that does give me pause, though, about the testing and dispensing of CS and Tetrasil in Zaire, Ghana, Mexico and Honduras. If argyria occurred in Africa or Central America, would anybody notice it? Or care? Matthew -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSReversing Argyria
Hi Matthew, This certainly desearves further scrutiny by all who injest silver in what ever form. I have a feeling that the onset of darkening/blueing under the nails may be the onset of argeria, and is not only dose dependant but is also body condition dependent. It would be nice if we found out by careful monitering of our own nail beds, reporting and comparing notes, and putting all the info together (even though it would all still be anectdotal) that we could control and eliminate argeria by seeing it's onset before it occurs. Then, when needed, we could up our intake of supplements like selenium combined with reducing our intake of silver etc. Of course this would not normally be required, but it would be good to understand it better and know what to do for one of our loved ones who don't follow directions or understand it all as well as we do. It's fairly common to convince someone to take an alternative supplement without them bothering to learn enough about it to do it right... I'm careful not to encourage the uninformed to take something, but sometimes it happens anyway... Vince Matthew McCann PE writes: Good Morning, Sharon. Thank you for your thought-provoking insight. It reminds me of the Arthur Conan Doyle story of the watchdog that did not bark in the night. The most conspicuous lack of melanin in some Africans is in their nails. Maybe Caucasians share this trait with their brothers and sisters in Africa and the Melanesian Pacific Islands and the indigenous First Nations of the New World, but don't even realize it. This suggests the hypothesis that, indeed, the nails are a window to the lower layers of the dermis. And that this is where we should look for the earliest warning of incipient argyria. Best regards, Matthew - Original Message - From: Sharon tala...@teleport.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria Most likely not. I doubt that it would appear as obviously on someone dark skinned. Maybe you would see it in the nails though. Sharon There is something that does give me pause, though, about the testing and dispensing of CS and Tetrasil in Zaire, Ghana, Mexico and Honduras. If argyria occurred in Africa or Central America, would anybody notice it? Or care? Matthew -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSReversing Argyria
Jason Eaton wrote: Greetings, all: Calcium has been shown to crystallize in alkaline conditions in the form of calcium carbonate. Calcium carbonate is the primary substance of fingernail production. I don't think so. Isn't finger nails and hair made of collagen, a protein? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi, Vince, I agree. The program you outline would fill a great unmet need. Best regards, Matthew
Re: CSReversing Argyria
Greetings, all: The issue concerning the discoloration of the fingertip moons is most likely directly related to metabolic functions. I don't think it is per se a precursor to cosmetic argyria of the face, as one does not always get this condition before cosmetic argyria of the face, just the same as this does not always occur with the whites of the eyes. In other words, one does not have to get the fingernail condition before the facial condition, and getting the fingernail condition may not indicate an impending facial condition, although obviously it may be wise to address the dietary situation when this occurs in the fingernails. It seems possible that what is happening is that the silver may be, directly or indirectly, binding with calcium carbonate in the body, via conditions present in the biological terrain. I find it unlikely that we'd be able to unravel this complex mystery very easily, but it is interesting to note that extremely significant changes occur in calcium distribution in the body based on changes in PH levels. I also do believe that it is quite possible for silver to crystalize, rather than simply bind with proteins, in certain conditions, such as reported by one of Trem's customers. Calcium has been shown to crystallize in alkaline conditions in the form of calcium carbonate. Calcium carbonate is the primary substance of fingernail production. I'd venture, however, that the lymphatic system plays a role, as if it didn't, we'd likely see equal darkness with the toenails. - Jason - Original Message - From: cvincer cvin...@ala.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:40 PM Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria Hi Matthew, This certainly desearves further scrutiny by all who injest silver in what ever form. I have a feeling that the onset of darkening/blueing under the nails may be the onset of argeria, and is not only dose dependant but is also body condition dependent. It would be nice if we found out by careful monitering of our own nail beds, reporting and comparing notes, and putting all the info together (even though it would all still be anectdotal) that we could control and eliminate argeria by seeing it's onset before it occurs. Then, when needed, we could up our intake of supplements like selenium combined with reducing our intake of silver etc. Of course this would not normally be required, but it would be good to understand it better and know what to do for one of our loved ones who don't follow directions or understand it all as well as we do. It's fairly common to convince someone to take an alternative supplement without them bothering to learn enough about it to do it right... I'm careful not to encourage the uninformed to take something, but sometimes it happens anyway... Vince Matthew McCann PE writes: Good Morning, Sharon. Thank you for your thought-provoking insight. It reminds me of the Arthur Conan Doyle story of the watchdog that did not bark in the night. The most conspicuous lack of melanin in some Africans is in their nails. Maybe Caucasians share this trait with their brothers and sisters in Africa and the Melanesian Pacific Islands and the indigenous First Nations of the New World, but don't even realize it. This suggests the hypothesis that, indeed, the nails are a window to the lower layers of the dermis. And that this is where we should look for the earliest warning of incipient argyria. Best regards, Matthew - Original Message - From: Sharon tala...@teleport.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria Most likely not. I doubt that it would appear as obviously on someone dark skinned. Maybe you would see it in the nails though. Sharon There is something that does give me pause, though, about the testing and dispensing of CS and Tetrasil in Zaire, Ghana, Mexico and Honduras. If argyria occurred in Africa or Central America, would anybody notice it? Or care? Matthew -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/06/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist
Re: CSReversing Argyria
Hi Marshal: Not... according to Steve Sample, Advanced Placement Biology and Freshman Honors Biology instructor, who also runs, in conjunction with the US Department of Energy and Argonne National Laboratory, the Ask a Scientist Program BBS: http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99671.htm Now, I suppose he could be WRONG, but I didn't think to question the reference. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria Jason Eaton wrote: Greetings, all: Calcium has been shown to crystallize in alkaline conditions in the form of calcium carbonate. Calcium carbonate is the primary substance of fingernail production. I don't think so. Isn't finger nails and hair made of collagen, a protein? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/06/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi, Tad. Thanks for posting the argyria material again! It is critically important and deserves attention. I do have one question. What should be used in place of EIS during the reversal time? Would an alternate metallic colloid be rendered ineffective during the treatment? Thanks in advance for your input, and inputs from any others on the List, too. Best regards, Matthew
CSReversing Argyria
There is something that does give me pause, though, about the testing and dispensing of CS and Tetrasil in Zaire, Ghana, Mexico and Honduras. If argyria occurred in Africa or Central America, would anybody notice it? Or care? Matthew
Re: CSReversing Argyria
Most likely not. I doubt that it would appear as obviously on someone dark skinned. Maybe you would see it in the nails though. Sharon There is something that does give me pause, though, about the testing and dispensing of CS and Tetrasil in Zaire, Ghana, Mexico and Honduras. If argyria occurred in Africa or Central America, would anybody notice it? Or care? Matthew -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
