Re: CStea tree oil and ozone
Hi Dave, Bubbling ozone through water seems to remove a sharpness from ozone. If the ozonator does not have sufficient turndown then bubbling through water will reduce the immediate ozone content. One of Renate Viebahn's books goes into this subject thoroughly, scientifically, practically and legally (Europe). hth, Tony On 25 Nov 2004 at 21:39, Dan Nave wrote: What is the purpose of bubbling it through water? Dan Re: CStea tree oil and ozone * From: Tony Moody wrote: * Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:36:53 Hi Sally, A few things you could do with your 'strong' ozone generator. Mount it up high, a few inches to a foot below the ceiling. Ozone is heavier than air and tends to flow naturally downwards, thus mixing with the room air. Use it when the house is un-occupied and then use a timer to switch it off automatically after, say an hour. Use an on/off timer. Plug that into the wall and plug the ozonator into the timer. Set the timer to something like 5 minutes on and 10 minutes off. If you can then let the ozone outlet pass through water either a mist spray or bubbled through water. Check to see if there is not an adjustment or a connection for reducing the output. Be Happy, Tony -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone
- Original Message - From: Dan Nave na...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 10:39 PM Subject: Re: CStea tree oil and ozone What is the purpose of bubbling it through water? Dan To humidify it. Ozone is better absorbed when accompanied by a bit of water vapor. Ozone comes out dry from med grade o3 machine. Dan Re: CStea tree oil and ozone * From: Tony Moody wrote: * Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:36:53 Hi Sally, A few things you could do with your 'strong' ozone generator. Mount it up high, a few inches to a foot below the ceiling. Ozone is heavier than air and tends to flow naturally downwards, thus mixing with the room air. Use it when the house is un-occupied and then use a timer to switch it off automatically after, say an hour. Use an on/off timer. Plug that into the wall and plug the ozonator into the timer. Set the timer to something like 5 minutes on and 10 minutes off. If you can then let the ozone outlet pass through water either a mist spray or bubbled through water. Check to see if there is not an adjustment or a connection for reducing the output. Be Happy, Tony -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
At 09:59 AM 11/24/2004 -0500, Ode wrote: There's no debate that ozone is an oxidizer of organic materials..ie 'burns' them and produces byproducts. Sometimes burning things a little is more therapeutic than not burning them, some byproducts may be relatively beneficial and some toxic compounds can be neutralized by burning them, but do ozone and you WILL wind up minus some tissue..gauranteed. It's like chemo where the idea is to stress all the tissues and hopefully the weakest ones die off first without killing too many strong ones. Just enough does a job 'for' you..too much does a job 'on' you. It all depends on what you're trying to do, how, on what and how fast. I'll go on record here and say that that will probably be found true for all pure elements on the planet, even the most toxic. Now you can all busy yourselves in what constitutes a 'pure' element...or not. I also suspect that nothing on this planet is toxic in the right dosage. stuff -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
At 12:59 AM 25/11/04, you wrote: Ozone kills living organics..it oxidizes dead and living organics without prejudice [period] Useful? Maybe. But it is by no means a benign substance. The ONLY question is, does it kill the badies faster than you grow back the goodies? If it does, you win. If it doesn't Concentration and application strategy makes the difference. Ode EKK!!Here I am glorying in living in the O-ZONE!I've ALWAYS aimed to live at the beach - in the great feeling that all that Ozone gives you! Himagain - suddenly a lot more questions - wot about my Negative Ion Generator, then? ( Built-in to my expensive Airconditioner/dehumidifyer system) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone
What is the purpose of bubbling it through water? Dan Re: CStea tree oil and ozone * From: Tony Moody wrote: * Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:36:53 Hi Sally, A few things you could do with your 'strong' ozone generator. Mount it up high, a few inches to a foot below the ceiling. Ozone is heavier than air and tends to flow naturally downwards, thus mixing with the room air. Use it when the house is un-occupied and then use a timer to switch it off automatically after, say an hour. Use an on/off timer. Plug that into the wall and plug the ozonator into the timer. Set the timer to something like 5 minutes on and 10 minutes off. If you can then let the ozone outlet pass through water either a mist spray or bubbled through water. Check to see if there is not an adjustment or a connection for reducing the output. Be Happy, Tony -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone
If you heavily ozonate a house with any adsorbtive materials such as sheet rock, plaster or other porous materials you are going to have out gassing going on for sometime after. You also may find rubber and plastics breaking down over a period of time if you continue the practice. I looked into the practice when I found there was mold in a house I was renting and a friend who uses it in water purification offered to bring his machine over to try and treat the sources, which were heavily rotted wood under the house and in the walls. Garnet On Thu, 2004-11-25 at 21:39, Dan Nave wrote: What is the purpose of bubbling it through water? Dan Re: CStea tree oil and ozone * From: Tony Moody wrote: * Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:36:53 Hi Sally, A few things you could do with your 'strong' ozone generator. Mount it up high, a few inches to a foot below the ceiling. Ozone is heavier than air and tends to flow naturally downwards, thus mixing with the room air. Use it when the house is un-occupied and then use a timer to switch it off automatically after, say an hour. Use an on/off timer. Plug that into the wall and plug the ozonator into the timer. Set the timer to something like 5 minutes on and 10 minutes off. If you can then let the ozone outlet pass through water either a mist spray or bubbled through water. Check to see if there is not an adjustment or a connection for reducing the output. Be Happy, Tony -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
There's no debate that ozone is an oxidizer of organic materials..ie 'burns' them and produces byproducts. Sometimes burning things a little is more therapeutic than not burning them, some byproducts may be relatively beneficial and some toxic compounds can be neutralized by burning them, but do ozone and you WILL wind up minus some tissue..gauranteed. It's like chemo where the idea is to stress all the tissues and hopefully the weakest ones die off first without killing too many strong ones. Just enough does a job 'for' you..too much does a job 'on' you. It all depends on what you're trying to do, how, on what and how fast. Toxicity is always relative. Water can be a deadly toxin. Xtacy [the drug] is not a deadly toxin but it supresses the thirst reponse and people die of over or under hydration. It's the water that kills. Ozone is ozone is ozone like ions are ions. You can't make good or bad O3 or half an ion. The only possible difference is amount, environment and application. It is possible to make toxic oxidized compounds...but that is no longer ozone. Ozone at levels you can't even detect WILL eventually eat the tires off your car and the rubber cord off your drill. I've had to replace many drill and saw cord for that reason.But, they don't heal like people do. If you burn your grass with a flame thrower and manage to not cook the roots too much, the surface baddies will die and the grass grows back greener. The grass wins. I can imagine where ozone could stimulate a healing by telling the body in no uncertain terms that it's time to do so. Many responses depend on crossing tolerance thresholds. [At what point is the bathwater too hot to stay in? The parameters of decision vary with the individuals tolerance. Any action depends on a decision to act.] PS, that irritation of the lungs when ozone is inhaled is dying lung tissue. It probably grows back, maybe better and cleaner than before, but caution is paramount. The stuff can also kill or badly damage you pretty quick. Ozone kills living organics..it oxidizes dead and living organics without prejudice [period] Useful? Maybe. But it is by no means a benign substance. The ONLY question is, does it kill the badies faster than you grow back the goodies? If it does, you win. If it doesn't Concentration and application strategy makes the difference. Ode At 05:26 PM 11/23/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > >- Original Message - >From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net> >To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com> >Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:49 PM >Subject: Re: CS>tea tree oil and ozone > > >> Ozone is toxic to plants and animals, including humans. The toxic dose >> is higher than most ozone generating air filters. But the problem is >> that even at low concentrations it can be adsorbed by sheet rock and >> concentrate there, where it can being to out gas and affect those in the >> room. Some treatments involve removing plants, animals and people from >> the rooms, these involve higher concentration of ozone and these are at >> higher risk of adsorping into the sheet rock. >> >> As well even in very low concentrations ozone can combine with other >> chemicals and form more toxic compounds. It depends on what is in the >> air you are breathing with the low concentrations of ozone. >> >> The bottom line is that ozone is not a safe substance to play around >> with if you do not know exactly what is in the air and the concentration >> of ozone in that air. >> >> This information is not widely acknowledged or even known. Most people >> selling ozone generating machines or services just go by what the >> manufacturers tell them. They do not have the technical training to >> check it out for themselves. Nor do they even know it is something that >> needs to be investigated. >> >> Garnet > > >Garnet, >I generally love your posts and respect your considerable knowledge, but I have >to vehemently disagree with your stance on ozone. > >Time constraints prevent me from writing as much as I'd like. But briefly, if >ozone were toxic, it would not be used as an approved and SUCCESSFUL medical >therapy in Europe and other locations. > >I have medical grade ozone equipment obtained from Plasmafire in Canada and use >it for many purposes. When ozone is inhaled through olive oil (or tea tree and >other essential oils), an entirely new compound is created. THIS IS VERY HEALING >FOR THE LUNGS. Insufflated through the ears, ozone helps clear sinus infections, >ear infections, and the brain fog of candida. Insufflated through the vagina, >ozone gets into the lymph system and helps clear out toxins. > >Ozone scavenges toxins. In the proper amounts it does not harm normal, healthy >tissue. The myth that ozone is toxic is based on studies done over 50 years ago >that never distinguished between PURE ozone and CONTAMINATED ozone -- i.e., >ozone that was **combined with pollutants.** The pollutants were produced when >ozone was made improperly,
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone
Ionic Breeze® complies with U.S. safety requirements for low ozone emission (less than 50 parts per billion) as tested by Underwriters Laboratories under their UL867 standard for consumer products. Electrostatic air filters all produce 'some' ozone, some at very high levels. Ozonates the air is not the big selling point it's made out to be. [Spin to sell a poorly designed product] Obviously, a very big unit will produce more ozone over all. Even if it is low per square inch of plate area a large filter has more area. At 50 PPB at the outlet of the filter, a small enclosed room can easily go over that. ode Sharper Image air purifiers are electrostatic and do not output ozone at all. The collection plates do collect dust but I can wipe the same amount of dust from my bookshelf every few days. I had four of them in one large room and took them back within the 60 day refund period. I asked an Indoor Air Quality Specialist about the Sharper Image units when he was here testing my house for mold after a water leak from a heavy wind and rain strom. He had tested them and said that the unit they sell for a large size room is more appropriate to a small bathroom. They really don't do much but they look good. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 00:12, Sally Khanna wrote: I have what I consider to be a good air purifier from Sharper Image. I don't smell any ozone. Recently, a friend gave me a larger (does the entire house) purifier. It has such a strong odor, neither my husband nor I can stand it, both of us ended up coughing from it. We stopped using it after a few uses. I strongly suspect the ozone levels aren't acceptable, but how to find out? Sally Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net wrote: Ozone is toxic to plants and animals, including humans. The toxic dose is higher than most ozone generating air filters. But the problem is that even at low concentrations it can be adsorbed by sheet rock and concentrate there, where it can being to out gas and affect those in the room. Some treatments involve removing plants, animals and people from the rooms, these involve higher concentration of ozone and these are at higher risk of adsorping into the sheet rock. As well even in very low concentrations ozone can combine with other chemicals and form more toxic compounds. It depends on what is in the air you are breathing with the low concentrations of ozone. The bottom line is that ozone is not a safe substance to play around with if you do not know exactly what is in the air and the concentration of ozone in that air. Th! is information is not widely acknowledged or even known. Most people selling ozone generating machines or services just go by what the manufacturers tell them. They do not have the technical training to check it out for themselves. Nor do they even know it is something that needs to be investigated. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 13:07, Betsy Coffey wrote: I use a cleaner with tea tree oil that I get from the health food store and it doesnt bother my allergies at all. I had a question about ozone. Someone posted that it is toxic. They use ozone to clean the smells alike tobacco in motel rooms now. Is this toxic? Or, are you referring to something else? Some doctors are now also using it. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.1 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.1 - Release Date: 11/19/2004
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone
I can tell you, I do like sitting next to it, but I think I would need about 50 of them to do my whole house.LOL It was a very well-intentioned gift and I appreciate it. But the other purifier, I'm afraid to use. Sally Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net wrote: Ionic Breeze® complies with U.S. safety requirements for low ozone emission (less than 50 parts per billion) as tested by Underwriters Laboratories under their UL867 standard for consumer products. Electrostatic air filters all produce 'some' ozone, some at very high levels. Ozonates the air is not the big selling point it's made out to be. [Spin to sell a poorly designed product] Obviously, a very big unit will produce more ozone over all. Even if it is low per square inch of plate area a large filter has more area. At 50 PPB at the outlet of the filter, a small enclosed room can easily go over that. ode Sharper Image air purifiers are electrostatic and do not output ozone at all. The collection plates do collect dust but I can wipe the same amount of dust from my bookshelf every few days. I had four of them in one large room and took them back within the 60 day refund period. I asked an Indoor Air Quality Specialist about the Sharper Image units when he was here testing my house for mold after a water leak from a heavy wind and rain strom. He had tested them and said that the unit they sell for a large size room is more appropriate to a small bathroom. They really don't do much but they look good. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 00:12, Sally Khanna wrote: I have what I consider to be a good air purifier from Sharper Image. I don't smell any ozone. Recently, a friend gave me a larger (does the entire house) purifier. It has such a strong odor, neither my husband nor I can stand it, both of us ended up coughing from it. We stopped using it after a few uses. I strongly suspect the ozone levels aren't acceptable, but how to find out? Sally Garnet wrote: Ozone is toxic to plants and animals, including humans. The toxic dose is higher than most ozone generating air filters. But the problem is that even at low concentrations it can be adsorbed by sheet rock and concentrate there, where it can being to out gas and affect those in the room. Some treatments involve removing plants, animals and people from the rooms, these involve higher concentration of ozone and these are at higher risk of adsorping into the sheet rock. As well even in very low concentrations ozone can combine with other chemicals and form more toxic compounds. It depends on what is in the air you are breathing with the low concentrations of ozone. The bottom line is that ozone is not a safe substance to play around with if you do not know exactly what is in the air and the concentration of ozone in that air. Th! is information is not widely acknowledged or even known. Most people selling ozone generating machines or services just go by what the manufacturers tell them. They do not have the technical training to check it out for themselves. Nor do they even know it is something that needs to be investigated. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 13:07, Betsy Coffey wrote: I use a cleaner with tea tree oil that I get from the health food store and it doesnt bother my allergies at all. I had a question about ozone. Someone posted that it is toxic. They use ozone to clean the smells alike tobacco in motel rooms now. Is this toxic? Or, are you referring to something else? Some doctors are now also using it. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.1 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.1 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 - Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone
Hi Sally, A few things you could do with your 'strong' ozone generator. Mount it up high, a few inches to a foot below the ceiling. Ozone is heavier than air and tends to flow naturally downwards, thus mixing with the room air. Use it when the house is un-occupied and then use a timer to switch it off automatically after, say an hour. Use an on/off timer. Plug that into the wall and plug the ozonator into the timer. Set the timer to something like 5 minutes on and 10 minutes off. If you can then let the ozone outlet pass through water either a mist spray or bubbled through water. Check to see if there is not an adjustment or a connection for reducing the output. Be Happy, Tony On 24 Nov 2004 at 10:25, Sally Khanna wrote: I can tell you, I do like sitting next to it, but I think I would need about 50 of them to do my whole house.LOL It was a very well-intentioned gift and I appreciate it. But the other purifier, I'm afraid to use. Sally Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net wrote: Ionic Breeze® complies with U.S. safety requirements for low ozone emission (less than 50 parts per billion) as tested by Underwriters Laboratories under their UL867 standard for consumer products. Electrostatic air filters all produce 'some' ozone, some at very high levels. Ozonates the air is not the big selling point it's made out to be. [Spin to sell a poorly designed product] Obviously, a very big unit will produce more ozone over all. Even if it is low per square inch of plate area a large filter has more area. At 50 PPB at the outlet of the filter, a small enclosed room can easily go over that. ode Sharper Image air purifiers are electrostatic and do not output ozone at all. The collection plates do collect dust but I can wipe the same amount of dust from my bookshelf every few days. I had fo! ur of them in one large room and took them back within the 60 day refund period. I asked an Indoor Air Quality Specialist about the Sharper Image units when he was here testing my house for mold after a water leak from a heavy wind and rain strom. He had tested them and said that the unit they sell for a large size room is more appropriate to a small bathroom. They really don't do much but they look good. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 00:12, Sally Khanna wrote: I have what I consider to be a good air purifier from Sharper Image. I don't smell any ozone. Recently, a friend gave me a larger (does the entire house) purifier. It has such a strong odor, neither my husband nor I can stand it, both of us ended up coughing from it. We stopped using it after a few uses. I strongly suspect the ozone levels aren't acceptable, but how ! gt; to find out? Sally Garnet wrote: Ozone is toxic to plants and animals, including humans. The toxic dose is higher than most ozone generating air filters. But the problem is that even at low concentrations it can be adsorbed by sheet rock and concentrate there, where it can being to out gas and affect those in the room. Some treatments involve removing plants, animals and people from the rooms, these involve higher concentration of ozone and these are at higher risk of adsorping into the sheet rock. As well even in very low concentrations ozone can combine with other chemicals and form more toxic compounds. It depends on what is in the air you are breathing with the low concentrations of ozone. The bottom line is that ozone is not a safe substance to play around with if you do not know exactly what is in the air and the concentration of ozone in that air. Th! is information is not widely acknowledged or even known. Most people selling ozone generating machines or services just go by what the manufacturers tell them. They do not have the technical training to check it out for themselves. Nor do they even know it is something that needs to be investigated. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 13:07, Betsy Coffey wrote: I use a cleaner with tea tree oil that I get from the health food store and it doesnt bother my allergies at all. I had a question about ozone. Someone posted that it is toxic. They use ozone to clean the smells alike tobacco in motel rooms now. Is this toxic? Or, are you referring to something else? Some doctors are now also using it. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
Hi Garnet Nenah: Dr. Frank Schallenberger ( located and practicing in Reno, Nevada ) is also exceedingly knowledgable. You can read a summation of one of his papers: http://www.silvermedicine.org/physiological-effects-ozone.html Nevada is one of the rare states where ozone therapy is legal, thanks to the international reputation of a few highly connected medical doctors. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:16 PM Subject: Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity Nenah, I made it very clear that in low concentrations ozone by itself is not toxic. Please include all of my statements when replying to what I post. I will repeat myself, ozone used in air filters or in higher concentrations to treat houses can adsorb in sheet rock and out gas over a period of time where it can mix with various impurities in the air there by forming unknown chemical cocktails. We do know that ozone can make some compounds toxic. Ozone does not make compounds or single elements toxic. It cleans up the ill effects of the compounds. It is not a safe substance for most people to be using. It is a very reaction compound. And it can be very risky. Personally I will not use it. But then I tend to be rather cautious. Garnet On the aforementioned Oxyplus egroup at yahoo, should you decide to join, you'll have the benefit of Saul Pressman's expertise. I consider him among the foremost experts on ozone in North America. Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CStea tree oil and ozone
I use a cleaner with tea tree oil that I get from the health food store and it doesnt bother my allergies at all. I had a question about ozone. Someone posted that it is toxic. They use ozone to clean the smells alike tobacco in motel rooms now. Is this toxic? Or, are you referring to something else? Some doctors are now also using it. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone
Ozone is toxic to plants and animals, including humans. The toxic dose is higher than most ozone generating air filters. But the problem is that even at low concentrations it can be adsorbed by sheet rock and concentrate there, where it can being to out gas and affect those in the room. Some treatments involve removing plants, animals and people from the rooms, these involve higher concentration of ozone and these are at higher risk of adsorping into the sheet rock. As well even in very low concentrations ozone can combine with other chemicals and form more toxic compounds. It depends on what is in the air you are breathing with the low concentrations of ozone. The bottom line is that ozone is not a safe substance to play around with if you do not know exactly what is in the air and the concentration of ozone in that air. This information is not widely acknowledged or even known. Most people selling ozone generating machines or services just go by what the manufacturers tell them. They do not have the technical training to check it out for themselves. Nor do they even know it is something that needs to be investigated. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 13:07, Betsy Coffey wrote: I use a cleaner with tea tree oil that I get from the health food store and it doesnt bother my allergies at all. I had a question about ozone. Someone posted that it is toxic. They use ozone to clean the smells alike tobacco in motel rooms now. Is this toxic? Or, are you referring to something else? Some doctors are now also using it. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
- Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:49 PM Subject: Re: CStea tree oil and ozone Ozone is toxic to plants and animals, including humans. The toxic dose is higher than most ozone generating air filters. But the problem is that even at low concentrations it can be adsorbed by sheet rock and concentrate there, where it can being to out gas and affect those in the room. Some treatments involve removing plants, animals and people from the rooms, these involve higher concentration of ozone and these are at higher risk of adsorping into the sheet rock. As well even in very low concentrations ozone can combine with other chemicals and form more toxic compounds. It depends on what is in the air you are breathing with the low concentrations of ozone. The bottom line is that ozone is not a safe substance to play around with if you do not know exactly what is in the air and the concentration of ozone in that air. This information is not widely acknowledged or even known. Most people selling ozone generating machines or services just go by what the manufacturers tell them. They do not have the technical training to check it out for themselves. Nor do they even know it is something that needs to be investigated. Garnet Garnet, I generally love your posts and respect your considerable knowledge, but I have to vehemently disagree with your stance on ozone. Time constraints prevent me from writing as much as I'd like. But briefly, if ozone were toxic, it would not be used as an approved and SUCCESSFUL medical therapy in Europe and other locations. I have medical grade ozone equipment obtained from Plasmafire in Canada and use it for many purposes. When ozone is inhaled through olive oil (or tea tree and other essential oils), an entirely new compound is created. THIS IS VERY HEALING FOR THE LUNGS. Insufflated through the ears, ozone helps clear sinus infections, ear infections, and the brain fog of candida. Insufflated through the vagina, ozone gets into the lymph system and helps clear out toxins. Ozone scavenges toxins. In the proper amounts it does not harm normal, healthy tissue. The myth that ozone is toxic is based on studies done over 50 years ago that never distinguished between PURE ozone and CONTAMINATED ozone -- i.e., ozone that was **combined with pollutants.** The pollutants were produced when ozone was made improperly, period. And, it was the pollutants that were toxic, NOT THE OZONE ITSELF. There is some great documentation about this in Appendix A of my new book on sauna therapy. Ozone must be used properly and in the right concentrations. Of course it will irritate your lungs if it's at too high a concentration -- but that doesn't mean ozone is toxic. Carrot juice will turn your skin orange if you drink IT at too high a concentration; but it doesn't mean that carrot juice is poisonous, it just means that you need to know how much to ingeset! Ozone has proven tremendously healing for me and for many, many others with whom I have personal contact. I urge the more openminded of you to see for yourself what this amazing therapy can do. For more information, you can join the Oxyplus list at Yahoo. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD Holistic health products, supplements and services http://www.nenahsylver.com Author of newly released The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe:Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxic
Ozone (O3) can combine with hydrogen (H) and Nitrogen (N) in the atmosphere and form small concentrations of Nitric Acid (HNO3). under the right conditions. Bill Amos -- Nenah, I made it very clear that in low concentrations ozone by itself is not toxic. Please include all of my statements when replying to what I post. I will repeat myself, ozone used in air filters or in higher concentrations to treat houses can adsorb in sheet rock and out gas over a period of time where it can mix with various impurities in the air there by forming unknown chemical cocktails. We do know that ozone can make some compounds toxic. It is not a safe substance for most people to be using. It is a very reaction compound. And it can be very risky. Personally I will not use it. But then I tend to be rather cautious. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 16:26, Nenah Sylver wrote: - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:49 PM Subject: Re: CStea tree oil and ozone Ozone is toxic to plants and animals, including humans. The toxic dose is higher than most ozone generating air filters. But the problem is that even at low concentrations it can be adsorbed by sheet rock and concentrate there, where it can being to out gas and affect those in the room. Some treatments involve removing plants, animals and people from the rooms, these involve higher concentration of ozone and these are at higher risk of adsorping into the sheet rock. As well even in very low concentrations ozone can combine with other chemicals and form more toxic compounds. It depends on what is in the air you are breathing with the low concentrations of ozone. The bottom line is that ozone is not a safe substance to play around with if you do not know exactly what is in the air and the concentration of ozone in that air. This information is not widely acknowledged or even known. Most people selling ozone generating machines or services just go by what the manufacturers tell them. They do not have the technical training to check it out for themselves. Nor do they even know it is something that needs to be investigated. Garnet Garnet, I generally love your posts and respect your considerable knowledge, but I have to vehemently disagree with your stance on ozone. Time constraints prevent me from writing as much as I'd like. But briefly, if ozone were toxic, it would not be used as an approved and SUCCESSFUL medical therapy in Europe and other locations. I have medical grade ozone equipment obtained from Plasmafire in Canada and use it for many purposes. When ozone is inhaled through olive oil (or tea tree and other essential oils), an entirely new compound is created. THIS IS VERY HEALING FOR THE LUNGS. Insufflated through the ears, ozone helps clear sinus infections, ear infections, and the brain fog of candida. Insufflated through the vagina, ozone gets into the lymph system and helps clear out toxins. Ozone scavenges toxins. In the proper amounts it does not harm normal, healthy tissue. The myth that ozone is toxic is based on studies done over 50 years ago that never distinguished between PURE ozone and CONTAMINATED ozone -- i.e., ozone that was **combined with pollutants.** The pollutants were produced when ozone was made improperly, period. And, it was the pollutants that were toxic, NOT THE OZONE ITSELF. There is some great documentation about this in Appendix A of my new book on sauna therapy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
Nenah, I made it very clear that in low concentrations ozone by itself is not toxic. Please include all of my statements when replying to what I post. I will repeat myself, ozone used in air filters or in higher concentrations to treat houses can adsorb in sheet rock and out gas over a period of time where it can mix with various impurities in the air there by forming unknown chemical cocktails. We do know that ozone can make some compounds toxic. It is not a safe substance for most people to be using. It is a very reaction compound. And it can be very risky. Personally I will not use it. But then I tend to be rather cautious. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 16:26, Nenah Sylver wrote: - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:49 PM Subject: Re: CStea tree oil and ozone Ozone is toxic to plants and animals, including humans. The toxic dose is higher than most ozone generating air filters. But the problem is that even at low concentrations it can be adsorbed by sheet rock and concentrate there, where it can being to out gas and affect those in the room. Some treatments involve removing plants, animals and people from the rooms, these involve higher concentration of ozone and these are at higher risk of adsorping into the sheet rock. As well even in very low concentrations ozone can combine with other chemicals and form more toxic compounds. It depends on what is in the air you are breathing with the low concentrations of ozone. The bottom line is that ozone is not a safe substance to play around with if you do not know exactly what is in the air and the concentration of ozone in that air. This information is not widely acknowledged or even known. Most people selling ozone generating machines or services just go by what the manufacturers tell them. They do not have the technical training to check it out for themselves. Nor do they even know it is something that needs to be investigated. Garnet Garnet, I generally love your posts and respect your considerable knowledge, but I have to vehemently disagree with your stance on ozone. Time constraints prevent me from writing as much as I'd like. But briefly, if ozone were toxic, it would not be used as an approved and SUCCESSFUL medical therapy in Europe and other locations. I have medical grade ozone equipment obtained from Plasmafire in Canada and use it for many purposes. When ozone is inhaled through olive oil (or tea tree and other essential oils), an entirely new compound is created. THIS IS VERY HEALING FOR THE LUNGS. Insufflated through the ears, ozone helps clear sinus infections, ear infections, and the brain fog of candida. Insufflated through the vagina, ozone gets into the lymph system and helps clear out toxins. Ozone scavenges toxins. In the proper amounts it does not harm normal, healthy tissue. The myth that ozone is toxic is based on studies done over 50 years ago that never distinguished between PURE ozone and CONTAMINATED ozone -- i.e., ozone that was **combined with pollutants.** The pollutants were produced when ozone was made improperly, period. And, it was the pollutants that were toxic, NOT THE OZONE ITSELF. There is some great documentation about this in Appendix A of my new book on sauna therapy. Ozone must be used properly and in the right concentrations. Of course it will irritate your lungs if it's at too high a concentration -- but that doesn't mean ozone is toxic. Carrot juice will turn your skin orange if you drink IT at too high a concentration; but it doesn't mean that carrot juice is poisonous, it just means that you need to know how much to ingeset! Ozone has proven tremendously healing for me and for many, many others with whom I have personal contact. I urge the more openminded of you to see for yourself what this amazing therapy can do. For more information, you can join the Oxyplus list at Yahoo. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD Holistic health products, supplements and services http://www.nenahsylver.com Author of newly released The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 16:26, Nenah Sylver wrote: Ozone must be used properly and in the right concentrations. Of course it will irritate your lungs if it's at too high a concentration -- but that doesn't mean ozone is toxic. Carrot juice will turn your skin orange if you drink IT at too high a concentration; but it doesn't mean that carrot juice is poisonous, it just means that you need to know how much to ingeset! The definition of toxic is that which is dangerous to health or injurious to life. In sufficient concentration pure ozone will kill plants, animals and humans. In combination with other substances the toxic dose is lower. Your statements about needing to know how much to ingest are confounding to your assertion that ozone is not toxic Nenah. Many substances are non-toxic at low doses or dosed alone but very toxic at higher doses or in combination. This point was well made in my original post but you seem to have chosen to ignore the specificity of the information I presented in order to present a different spin. That is what I mean about practitioners who really don't even know enough to know how to determine the toxicity of a practice. Check the Therapeutic Index and the LD 50 of ozone, that is if you even know how to look that up. If not then you are at great risk and so are your clients. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
I'm having a hard time trying to figure out why there is an argument over the benefits/drawbacks to ozone. In my experience, the varied uses of ozone---as *recommended* by the purveyors of quality generators, are of incredible benefit. When Hurricane Floyd turned my basement (with carpeting) into a swimming pool, I purchased an Aranizer to deal with the inevitable mold that could/would follow such an event. Of course the carpeting was ripped up and thrown out asap, but that was no assurance that mold wasn't already growing behind walls and baseboards. The Aranizer saved my house, as far as I am concerned. There is someone who sleeps in this room and has no problems remotely related to mold. Then in 2001 I came down with Lyme disease. Since I already was aware of the potential long range effect, I used almost every measure ever heard of to make sure I got this bacteria out of my body. In addition to 4 weeks of Doxycycline, I used CS many times a day AND I got the highest quality ozonator known, the Plasmafire. I drank *properly* ozonated water several times a day, and I also used the recommended lowest setting to insufflate my ears daily. This ozonator was used in an open setting by an open window as I'd be a fool to let ozone build up in closed quarters. I'm convinced that ozone, used according to medically established recommendations, is a godsend for many infectious problems. As long as it's used in low doses and not breathed (other than through oil in a special device, designed to go with the generator) freely, then it shouldn't be controversial. I also recognize that ozone cannot be used carelessly as it certainly could be caustic! This is a healing modality to be used with care and respect, and above all, knowledge derived from study. Sharon Morrissey CNC From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 16:26, Nenah Sylver wrote: Ozone must be used properly and in the right concentrations. Of course it will irritate your lungs if it's at too high a concentration -- but that doesn't mean ozone is toxic. Carrot juice will turn your skin orange if you drink IT at too high a concentration; but it doesn't mean that carrot juice is poisonous, it just means that you need to know how much to ingeset! The definition of toxic is that which is dangerous to health or injurious to life. In sufficient concentration pure ozone will kill plants, animals and humans. In combination with other substances the toxic dose is lower. Your statements about needing to know how much to ingest are confounding to your assertion that ozone is not toxic Nenah. Many substances are non-toxic at low doses or dosed alone but very toxic at higher doses or in combination. This point was well made in my original post but you seem to have chosen to ignore the specificity of the information I presented in order to present a different spin. That is what I mean about practitioners who really don't even know enough to know how to determine the toxicity of a practice. Check the Therapeutic Index and the LD 50 of ozone, that is if you even know how to look that up. If not then you are at great risk and so are your clients. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
Garnet: No need to be sarcastic I think Nenah made her position very clear to thinking people She seemed to say exactly what you attempted to say in an effort to clarify her statement... Toxicity of nearly everything is dose related...didn't she say that? Didn't you say that? Even water is toxic at a high enough dose. Anyway, let's try to learn from each other...not cut them apart. I have always said that any statement presented is good...no matter how exotic or perhaps ridiculous. If everyone feels free to state their opinions...without your cutting them to shreds...then someone is going to learn something. The person who wrote the opinionor perhaps, even you. Dr. Kenney -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:02 PM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 16:26, Nenah Sylver wrote: Ozone must be used properly and in the right concentrations. Of course it will irritate your lungs if it's at too high a concentration -- but that doesn't mean ozone is toxic. Carrot juice will turn your skin orange if you drink IT at too high a concentration; but it doesn't mean that carrot juice is poisonous, it just means that you need to know how much to ingeset! The definition of toxic is that which is dangerous to health or injurious to life. In sufficient concentration pure ozone will kill plants, animals and humans. In combination with other substances the toxic dose is lower. Your statements about needing to know how much to ingest are confounding to your assertion that ozone is not toxic Nenah. Many substances are non-toxic at low doses or dosed alone but very toxic at higher doses or in combination. This point was well made in my original post but you seem to have chosen to ignore the specificity of the information I presented in order to present a different spin. That is what I mean about practitioners who really don't even know enough to know how to determine the toxicity of a practice. Check the Therapeutic Index and the LD 50 of ozone, that is if you even know how to look that up. If not then you are at great risk and so are your clients. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone
I have what I consider to be a good air purifier from Sharper Image. I don't smell any ozone. Recently, a friend gave me a larger (does the entire house) purifier. It has such a strong odor, neither my husband nor I can stand it, both of us ended up coughing from it. We stopped using it after a few uses. I strongly suspect the ozone levels aren't acceptable, but how to find out? Sally Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net wrote: Ozone is toxic to plants and animals, including humans. The toxic dose is higher than most ozone generating air filters. But the problem is that even at low concentrations it can be adsorbed by sheet rock and concentrate there, where it can being to out gas and affect those in the room. Some treatments involve removing plants, animals and people from the rooms, these involve higher concentration of ozone and these are at higher risk of adsorping into the sheet rock. As well even in very low concentrations ozone can combine with other chemicals and form more toxic compounds. It depends on what is in the air you are breathing with the low concentrations of ozone. The bottom line is that ozone is not a safe substance to play around with if you do not know exactly what is in the air and the concentration of ozone in that air. This information is not widely acknowledged or even known. Most people selling ozone generating machines or services just go by what the manufacturers tell them. They do not have the technical training to check it out for themselves. Nor do they even know it is something that needs to be investigated. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 13:07, Betsy Coffey wrote: I use a cleaner with tea tree oil that I get from the health food store and it doesnt bother my allergies at all. I had a question about ozone. Someone posted that it is toxic. They use ozone to clean the smells alike tobacco in motel rooms now. Is this toxic? Or, are you referring to something else? Some doctors are now also using it. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
- Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity Nenah, I made it very clear that in low concentrations ozone by itself is not toxic. Please include all of my statements when replying to what I post. I will repeat myself, ozone used in air filters or in higher concentrations to treat houses can adsorb in sheet rock and out gas over a period of time where it can mix with various impurities in the air there by forming unknown chemical cocktails. We do know that ozone can make some compounds toxic. Ozone does not make compounds or single elements toxic. It cleans up the ill effects of the compounds. It is not a safe substance for most people to be using. It is a very reaction compound. And it can be very risky. Personally I will not use it. But then I tend to be rather cautious. Garnet On the aforementioned Oxyplus egroup at yahoo, should you decide to join, you'll have the benefit of Saul Pressman's expertise. I consider him among the foremost experts on ozone in North America. Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
What I said was not intended to be sarcasm David. I truly do not think Nenah knows how to look up a Therapeutic Index or an LD 50, if she does she has certainly not demonstrated this ability. Nor the knowledge of the terms she uses such as toxicity. She actually said that ozone is an lung irritant but this does not mean it is toxic. HUH??? And Spin Doctoring is so rampant these days that it is becoming an accepted art form. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 23:24, David W Kenney wrote: Garnet: No need to be sarcastic I think Nenah made her position very clear to thinking people She seemed to say exactly what you attempted to say in an effort to clarify her statement... Toxicity of nearly everything is dose related...didn't she say that? Didn't you say that? Even water is toxic at a high enough dose. Anyway, let's try to learn from each other...not cut them apart. I have always said that any statement presented is good...no matter how exotic or perhaps ridiculous. If everyone feels free to state their opinions...without your cutting them to shreds...then someone is going to learn something. The person who wrote the opinionor perhaps, even you. Dr. Kenney -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:02 PM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 16:26, Nenah Sylver wrote: Ozone must be used properly and in the right concentrations. Of course it will irritate your lungs if it's at too high a concentration -- but that doesn't mean ozone is toxic. Carrot juice will turn your skin orange if you drink IT at too high a concentration; but it doesn't mean that carrot juice is poisonous, it just means that you need to know how much to ingeset! The definition of toxic is that which is dangerous to health or injurious to life. In sufficient concentration pure ozone will kill plants, animals and humans. In combination with other substances the toxic dose is lower. Your statements about needing to know how much to ingest are confounding to your assertion that ozone is not toxic Nenah. Many substances are non-toxic at low doses or dosed alone but very toxic at higher doses or in combination. This point was well made in my original post but you seem to have chosen to ignore the specificity of the information I presented in order to present a different spin. That is what I mean about practitioners who really don't even know enough to know how to determine the toxicity of a practice. Check the Therapeutic Index and the LD 50 of ozone, that is if you even know how to look that up. If not then you are at great risk and so are your clients. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone
Coughing is a symptom of lung irritation and is known to occur from ozone exposure. I think that is enough to tell you that it is probably putting out too much ozone. Headaches are another indicator. As far as measuring output that would be expensive as it requires expensive equipment. You could close it up in a small room with a fast growing plant you don't care about for about a month and see if the plant starts to die or starts turning yellow, be sure the plant is getting enough sunlight and water. Sharper Image air purifiers are electrostatic and do not output ozone at all. The collection plates do collect dust but I can wipe the same amount of dust from my bookshelf every few days. I had four of them in one large room and took them back within the 60 day refund period. I asked an Indoor Air Quality Specialist about the Sharper Image units when he was here testing my house for mold after a water leak from a heavy wind and rain strom. He had tested them and said that the unit they sell for a large size room is more appropriate to a small bathroom. They really don't do much but they look good. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 00:12, Sally Khanna wrote: I have what I consider to be a good air purifier from Sharper Image. I don't smell any ozone. Recently, a friend gave me a larger (does the entire house) purifier. It has such a strong odor, neither my husband nor I can stand it, both of us ended up coughing from it. We stopped using it after a few uses. I strongly suspect the ozone levels aren't acceptable, but how to find out? Sally Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net wrote: Ozone is toxic to plants and animals, including humans. The toxic dose is higher than most ozone generating air filters. But the problem is that even at low concentrations it can be adsorbed by sheet rock and concentrate there, where it can being to out gas and affect those in the room. Some treatments involve removing plants, animals and people from the rooms, these involve higher concentration of ozone and these are at higher risk of adsorping into the sheet rock. As well even in very low concentrations ozone can combine with other chemicals and form more toxic compounds. It depends on what is in the air you are breathing with the low concentrations of ozone. The bottom line is that ozone is not a safe substance to play around with if you do not know exactly what is in the air and the concentration of ozone in that air. Th! is information is not widely acknowledged or even known. Most people selling ozone generating machines or services just go by what the manufacturers tell them. They do not have the technical training to check it out for themselves. Nor do they even know it is something that needs to be investigated. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 13:07, Betsy Coffey wrote: I use a cleaner with tea tree oil that I get from the health food store and it doesnt bother my allergies at all. I had a question about ozone. Someone posted that it is toxic. They use ozone to clean the smells alike tobacco in motel rooms now. Is this toxic? Or, are you referring to something else? Some doctors are now also using it. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
